moritz rosenthal plays op.10 n.1 and nouvelle etude a flat

[brianCIM]

Horowitz said there were several he didn't play because the Pleyel Chopin wrote these for had a very light action and different sound and he just didn't think they worked on the beast of a piano we use today. He also claimed he couldn't play Op. 25, No. 12(Ocean) for similar reasons and yet there is a recording of him playing it on YT and it is VERY good.

[MadMadMadTom]

"He only said he couldn't play Opus 10 #1, 2, and 7" How odd ! They are the only three that I CAN play !

[nextren]

Op. 10 no. 1 is brilliant and amazingly secure technically for someone of his generation. His drop to a lower volume level at one point was a superb touch artistically.

But his playing in the slower etude seems (at least to me) to fall into the "oom-pah-pah" "oom-pah-pah oom-pah-pah" pattern.

[chipheo24]

what do yo umean for someone of his generation?

[marcxopoco]

@nextren's post is typical of his generation--mindless regurgitation of talking points from a mindless modern 'expert' (LOL) he read somewhere.

nextren's shows his total INCOMPETENCE with his attempted comment on the rhythm of the two against three etude. Comprehension of what two against three is--is obviouslybeyond nextren and those of his generation.

[kasyapa]

bravo, maestro, in the op10no1! the nouvelle didn't quite catch me, as yet. :)

[whatsmylogin]

Thanks for the post. I need to hear more by this Liszt pupil. The staccato and the sudden dynamic changes in 10/1 are wonderful. Apart from Horowitz and Cziffra, I can't think of many other pianists who can bring an overplayed piece to life in this way.

[rigel48]

Are you sure that Horowitz made a recording of this Etude op 10 No 1 ? If so , I would be very interested to listen to it.

Cziffra gives me too much the impression to play this etude as fast as he can. (however his op 25 no 6 is fantastic).

Argerich is extraordinary, she has speed and temperament, and a range of shades which makes this etude a great piece of music. My favorite with Rosenthal.

[kasyapa]

horowitz did not record op10no1 but the poster was talking about a general approach.

[whatsmylogin]

That's what I meant. I didn't mean that horowitz recorded 10/1. (I wish he did, though.)

[foxwellno1]

I know this sounds rediculous but I'm sure I read somewhere that Horowitz couldn't play the op.10 no.1. This is surprising as I this is the only etude I can play fluently!

[whatsmylogin]

Thanks for the post. I have to hear more stuff by this Liszt pupil. The staccato and dynamic shifts in his 10/1 are stunning. Normally I expect only Horowitz and Cziffra to produce such original, beautiful nuances in such frequently played pieces.

[Starwalker6978]

Horowitz explains in conversations with Dubal that he could never play this etude along with no.2(a min.) and 7(C maj.) and Scriabin's etude op 63 no.3 for ninths. His hand wasn't suitable for these etudes! I also wished to hear these by him, especially the Scriabin.

[LaReginadellaNotte24]

I find it strange that Horowitz couldn't play those Etudes. He has played pieces that seem harder (e.g. Don Juan Fantasy, Feux Follet- which Horowitz considered the hardest piece he ever played), Also, he performed the "Double Thirds" Etude, which I think is even harder than Opus 10 #7. I wonder why Horowitz couldn't play those Etudes. Perhaps he meant that at the time of his conversation with Dubal, he was too old to play the Etudes, but he could have played them when he was younger.

[Starwalker6978]

Horowitz said clearly that these etudes didn't fit his hands. Richter also said he couldn't play Chopin's op 10 no 2 , but he played it! Perhaps Horowitz couldn't play those etudes "alla Horowitz" and therefore never performed them. The Richter recording of op 10 no 2 is also not Richter's best; he was to old!

[LaReginadellaNotte24]

In Evenings with Horowitz, he said his hand was no good for the Scriabin Etude in Ninths, but he didn't directly say his hand didn't fit the Chopin. He only said he couldn't play Opus 10 #1, 2, and 7. Maybe he meant that his hand wasn't right for them, but I wonder if he could have played them when he was young. According to Horowitz' student Fiorillo, Horowitz (in the 50's) could play all Opus 10 Etudes "perfectly" (see Glenn Plaskin bio)

[artie6666]

Smith, Are you familiar with Horowitz recording of this? It lacks the rhyt

[artie6666]

Sorry, it lacks the deep-breathing rhythmic flexability, but the phrasing and overall conception of this piece as a bursting-at-the-seams love song is very similar.

[smithsherman]

It's okay,if you want more...I just haven't heard it yet.This was always Robert's favorite Chopin performance.

[lovesGenet]

Yes. I've been wanting to hear his playing.these men knew about piano consrtuction and pedals and 3 different weighted structure of keys. God, the music is totally different. In the back of my mind the aflat always sounded like this !Paderewski,Lhevinne. Listen to middle keyboard chorale in op10 and wrist lucid position changes. Imagination and intuitive creation . this is what will get people to buy recordings of music which they already own many copies . thanks for posting .

[kasyapa]

intriguing thoughts there - how do you mean, about the 3 different weighted structures? :)

[smithsherman]

I've always regarded this recording as one of the very few performances of Chopin that I truly love.Sad that we have adopted all the Anti-expressive rules that prevent this kind of expressive unpredicatable performing that was the way in Bach & Beethoven's time.

[rigel48]

Wonderful ! A great master of the past.

[datruzepp]

ahahahahahaha da 10/1!!!

a bit wikid rhythm, rezpec 8)

[violashizzle]

his op.10 no.1 is absolutely fantastic, such a brilliant touch!