We have a word here in Sweden which I think sums it up pretty well. "Anarkist" is a guy taking a political standpoint, while "Ligist" is the guy who's only in it to fuck shit up, who does whatever he feels like, the more destructive the better in his eyes, under a guise of being a political activist. It's the same rabble you see ending up in fights at sports events. I don't think there's a conspiracy there, just individual fuckheads who wants to take their aggression out on society.
All that time the black bloc was smashing things, no police intervention other a small number of cops, who apparently didn't feel the need to call for back up or intervene. I never heard sirens in that vid. So, where were the rest of the police, one wonders.
We get those black hooded fucks at every demo in the UK. Here they are absolutely a subset of the anarchist movement. They are the ones that screwed G8, the anti-war and student protests. I can't speak for them in the US, but here they are definitely not plants. I know members personally and have argued this with them ad nauseum. They have a cock-eyed notion extreme action being the only route to extreme change.
It wasn't Occupy or James OKeefe, it was a group call Black Boc. They commonly try to hijack peaceful protests, not only here but in the UK as well. To the credit of CBS they actually reported how it happened stating that it was indeed black boc and not Occupy. In addition the Occupy members did try to stop black boc to the best of their ability. In my opinion since it happened during their protest it wouldn't hurt if members helped repair the dmage I think it will send a good message.
did you watch the video of the guy getting hit by car?
The "protester" blocked the guys way and then started yelling as he beat the cars hood.
A case could justifiably be made the the driver was afraid for his life.
You are making it sound as if a crowd was peacefully passing by and someone decided to ram them for shits and giggles, and the police covered up for him. This is clearly not the case.
With all the real bullshit going on(flash bang crowd for one) why talk about this?
blackbloc is not 'new' on the US but it is just now being talked about. blackbloc has been an effective tactic in france and tthere is the popular support. ows may not have the context for these tactics but, they do have a place and time.
I just watched it. Yea, it totally smacks of a set up. Holding up a sign about not being able to live if they can't work, then lashing out against companies that are actually employing people in the community. A total contradiction.
They have been caught paying "anarchists" to create problems at protests in the past. OR, they send cops out dressed as anarchists. It's a terrible practice, and treasonous as far as I'm concerned.
CONT...And these particular folks? Honestly, I have seen a few instances of agent provocateurs in action at some protests, but I have also seen {presumed!} true Black Bloc in action. Honestly, it is hard for me to say either way in this particular situation. I would not be surprised in the least if it was agent provocateurs.
CONT...As far as anarchists go, I identify as why {to sum up my political leaning: "Emma Goldman with a pitchfork" ;)} and anarchists as a group I think are just as diverse as feminists, if not more. I personally do support direct action, sometimes militant action, but I do not support folks assaulting people for differing political views. I only support violence when it comes to defense, whether it be warfare or a street fight.
I saw similar shit in Quebec City in 2001. I was blown away when I saw my fellow protestors fighting with each other. At the beginning I was with the "yellows" to start with and in the "red" for a small time and then I moved into the "green" after that, just because I was disgusted at seeing militants and union folk beating each other up over protest tactics.
wikipedia: Police ... have infiltrated black blocs with undercover officers. Since all members conceal their identities, it is harder to recognize infiltrators. Allegations first surfaced after several demonstrations. At the 2001 G8 summit in Genoa, amongst the many complaints ... "men in black were seen getting out of police vans near protest marches." In August 2007, On these occasions, some were identified by genuine protesters because of their police-issue footwear.
@rriverstone1 "In August 2007, On these occasions, some were identified by genuine protesters because of their police-issue footwear." Indeed, that was at a peaceful union rally in Quebec. Fucking morons.
it's shocking that people are so stupid when there's a camera everywhere. It's like we even got footage in Egypt when their government shut down the internet and the tv get a clue people. -__-
"Occupier Hit By Car" did you miss the part where the occupier attacked the car?
Granted running in to the dude is controversial, but to suggest that a pedestrian was attacked with a car without mention of the provocation is a strawman
These black bloc types glom onto legitimate protests and basically make asses of themselves. They discredit the movement. If you see them breaking the law, video them and turn them in.
of course there is a smear campaign, which was anticipated. my question is; what the bloody hell happened to the legal precedent in regard to slander and defamation of character?
Oh, thank you so much. I saw this socialist stereotyping all anarchists like that and was just anarchist bashing and many people liked it. I greatly appreciate this for letting me know that someone doesn't hate me. You restore my faith in humanity. You're a angel.
I was just reading an article about the vandals dressed in black. I don't know if this has been common practice during the Occupy protests, but many of the businesses were closed, and there was a rumor that the Whole Foods that was attacked was telling it's employees they would be terminated if they participated in the protest. I don't know if I'm jumping to conclusions, but the term "advanced warning" seems to come to mind.
Really was surprised learning about the protestors being hit by a car and the driver being let go. I was under the impression if a driver hits a pedestrian for ANY reason, its still manslaughter.
I do not think they are anarchists, I think they are a bunch of far right rich kids that have taken it upon themselves or encouraged by their rich daddy’s to make the protest look bad.
I think the term anarchist got confused with vandals and thugs in the 1930 when government news film reels started calling violent protesters anarchist.
"I think the term anarchist got confused with vandals and thugs in the 1930 when government news film reels started calling violent protesters anarchist."
Unfortunately this is how I saw all anarchists a few years ago, and sadly this is still the prevailing stereotype- it will take time to change this but it's certainly possible.
Anarchists - aka Anti-Statists - Whilst not all of us are like those hooligans, some are like in all groups. Anti-Statists that agree with me believe in voluntary governance versus the coercive monopoly on governance, which is referred to as a state. Please do not mistake the stereotype with every single example of the real thing. As Akira625 typed, those guys are vandals, whether or not they are Anarchists are unknown, the Anarchist symbol may have been for anarchy as in chaos.
hmm, brand new cloths, brand new backpacks, matching cloths (an anarchist no-no), highly organized (anarchists prefer disorganized resistance over organized resistance). You know, the police provocateurs(cops dressed as vandals) in the Toronto G20 had the same MO. /watch?v=TbLU9tdDwxo
They looked to much organized to be anarchists. They stayed together in a group, with the small black flags were they could see where their group was. You never see "normal" anarchists wearing matching clothes. It almost looked like a military operation.
Those "anarchists" who dress in black and cover their faces, and come to various protests looking to start trouble, are not anarchists at all as for as I'm concerned. They're just a bunch of glorified vandals.
Actually, now that I looked at the video you're talking about, I'm pretty sure its a bunch of dumb ass people, claiming the anarchy banner but not really understanding the meaning, and acting out in the worst possible way. Because they could have all been arrested, I doubt the were put up to it. We as a movement need to stop that kind of acting out because it changes the message from "We are the people'' to "We are just punks" and no one will care if the police forcibly shut down the punks:(
While it is possible that someone has paid some kids to hurt the movement, it's more likely that these were just kids taking advantage of the environment. Having lived in Oakland for many years, I don't see Brietbart or O'keefe actually getting much traction with them. I do believe that the MSMedia will pin the word anarchy where ever they can. Not only does this movement need to grow, but we need to watch over our own ranks and stop violence before it happens.
These sorts of people are the reason I don't go to protests. I've seen it too often. And I'm sorry to say that I doubt they are plants. It's possible they are lead by an Agent Provocateur, but IMO, more likely to be their own intiative. The Radical Left in Europe can be as terroristic as radical Islam.
Just because these folks arn't our kind of anarchists (and I know several), they are still anarchists, as much as any angry youth who wants a cause is anything. Which is who these folks are.
I dislike damage to private property, even the property is owned by banks who's CEOs should be in jail. These guys are violent thugs, not necessarily anarchists of the left libertarian flavor.
I doubt that this is some kind of right wing false flag. These same types of ppl did pretty much the same thing in Oakland a few years ago when there were protests associated with Oscar Grant's murderer getting out of jail. A bunch of anarchists broke windows and stole stuff from the businesses in the area. These ppl just wait for opportunities to destroy private property in the anonymity of crowds.
Might I suggest the the person in the Mercedes might be a provoker as well. Nothing screams class warfare like Luxury vehicles running over protestors.
I think someone might have a desire to create an arab spring event in the US. Order out of Chaos?
You have a good nose for this, Div. Yes, these individuals are planted in the crowd to discredit the non-violent facet of the protest. Who they are is less important than what they are doing.
The obvious answer is for the protesters to act against these individuals. Capturing at least one of them might yield some very useful information...
I personally don't agree with most anarchist ideology, but the anarchists I'm familiar with are decidely NOT in favor of chaos. In fact, one of the things upon which we differ is that believe in a benevolent anarchy, which I do not think could really exist. Anarchist are not violent.
Anarchism just like any other philosophy has it's redicals. I used to know many anarxhists and while most are peaceful there were some who had the attitude of 'smash the system by any means'. Whenever there was a demonstration they would come just to cause trouble, no matter how many people told them they weren't welcome they kept coming
ofc there's a possibility that those in the current protests are provocateurs but we can't just assume that without evidence.
They clearly weren't part of the overall movement. They had their own agenda clearly, they wore identifying uniforms, people not wearing their uniforms were opposing it.
I don't know if someone staged it or if it was just some group using the situation to their advantage but it wasn't the occupy Oakland movement.
Idunno why the cops let that guy go. There might've been a good reason that I just can't come up with, but it looks to me like they should've arrested him.
Idunno whether they're doing it as a smear or because they believe vandalism is the way. I do know that it will be used to smear. Maybe the protesters can devise a way to prevent it or at least stop it when they see it.
These kids along with the media are the reason people like me stop and consider it before we utter the word anarchist. Yes. We believe you can destroy statism by smashing the windows out of a whole foods market. *rolls eyes* This shit gets on my nerves.
Unfortunately disruption can be caused by "friendlies" as well. The majority will usually be either systemic reformists or, on the other side of the spectrum, ultraleftists. The latter tend to want action now- hotheaded, self-righteous, and oblivious or hostile to what the masses want. They can be counted on to "act serious," wear the black scarves, smash things, yell a lot, act out. That predictability can be exploited by agent provocateurs, but it's already politically counterproductive
As an anarchist, I certainly would never do the sorts of things those people were doing, though I have no fondness for those particular corporations. While most anarchists I have met are very peaceful, I have met some "anarchists" who are violent, anti-social, and emotionally unstable. They might get violent to prove their point, especially in the excitement of a massive protest.
If I were to make a bet though, I'd say those vandals were agents provocateurs.
Ahhhhh...no....this doesn't smell like a Brietbart/O'Keefe plant, it IS a Brietbart/O'Keefe plant, designed to smear the Occupy movement.
Of course, any movement will attract their share of troublemakers who aren't there for the protest but simply want to make trouble...but this does look a lot like some paid agitators.
anarchist like atheist is a much misunderstood term, frequently abused by both the people themselves and their opponents.
all leftist (and i use the term loosely) protests that gain media attention are hijacked by agent provocateurs and also by the more naive and militant 'proper' protesters. The occupy group need to nip this in the bud swiftly and peacefully.
I think these kids were like the troublemakers in the London riot earlier this year. They weren't part of the protest, they were there simply to cause trouble. I don't know what their motives were, maybe they simply wanted to cause trouble for trouble's sake. But I can gaurantee they were not part of the protest, nor were they Anarchists.
Sure, kids can be easily manipulated. It does seem like a set up: someone is trying to smear the occupy movement with false motives. However, anarchy means different things to different people, but those guys seemed too odd to be real and it does smell like a James O'Keefe stunt.
Attacking someone with a car (deadly weapon) is a felony. WTH is their problem.
IzzySpeaks 3 months ago
your a good one div.
i only just got you on twitter.
id like to contribute something meaningful, but all i can think of saying is FUKED! fuked fuked fuked.... :(
detr1mentalist 3 months ago
We have a word here in Sweden which I think sums it up pretty well. "Anarkist" is a guy taking a political standpoint, while "Ligist" is the guy who's only in it to fuck shit up, who does whatever he feels like, the more destructive the better in his eyes, under a guise of being a political activist. It's the same rabble you see ending up in fights at sports events. I don't think there's a conspiracy there, just individual fuckheads who wants to take their aggression out on society.
xxhellspawnedxx 3 months ago
Interesting vid.
All that time the black bloc was smashing things, no police intervention other a small number of cops, who apparently didn't feel the need to call for back up or intervene. I never heard sirens in that vid. So, where were the rest of the police, one wonders.
What in the hell is going on in Oakland?
phenixwryter 3 months ago
They are known as black bloc, btw.
gabiotta 3 months ago
We get those black hooded fucks at every demo in the UK. Here they are absolutely a subset of the anarchist movement. They are the ones that screwed G8, the anti-war and student protests. I can't speak for them in the US, but here they are definitely not plants. I know members personally and have argued this with them ad nauseum. They have a cock-eyed notion extreme action being the only route to extreme change.
Ignorant kiddy-punk bullshit, but not fake.
gabiotta 3 months ago
It wasn't Occupy or James OKeefe, it was a group call Black Boc. They commonly try to hijack peaceful protests, not only here but in the UK as well. To the credit of CBS they actually reported how it happened stating that it was indeed black boc and not Occupy. In addition the Occupy members did try to stop black boc to the best of their ability. In my opinion since it happened during their protest it wouldn't hurt if members helped repair the dmage I think it will send a good message.
CappitranoBellephant 3 months ago
did you watch the video of the guy getting hit by car?
The "protester" blocked the guys way and then started yelling as he beat the cars hood.
A case could justifiably be made the the driver was afraid for his life.
You are making it sound as if a crowd was peacefully passing by and someone decided to ram them for shits and giggles, and the police covered up for him. This is clearly not the case.
With all the real bullshit going on(flash bang crowd for one) why talk about this?
qarohc 3 months ago
@qarohc Squishy human vs. vehicle. Nuf said.
Divinity33372 3 months ago
blackbloc is not 'new' on the US but it is just now being talked about. blackbloc has been an effective tactic in france and tthere is the popular support. ows may not have the context for these tactics but, they do have a place and time.
Debordsbullet 3 months ago
I just watched it. Yea, it totally smacks of a set up. Holding up a sign about not being able to live if they can't work, then lashing out against companies that are actually employing people in the community. A total contradiction.
anastasia81472 3 months ago
They have been caught paying "anarchists" to create problems at protests in the past. OR, they send cops out dressed as anarchists. It's a terrible practice, and treasonous as far as I'm concerned.
anastasia81472 3 months ago
CONT...And these particular folks? Honestly, I have seen a few instances of agent provocateurs in action at some protests, but I have also seen {presumed!} true Black Bloc in action. Honestly, it is hard for me to say either way in this particular situation. I would not be surprised in the least if it was agent provocateurs.
Laurel
YeOldeHeretic 3 months ago
CONT...As far as anarchists go, I identify as why {to sum up my political leaning: "Emma Goldman with a pitchfork" ;)} and anarchists as a group I think are just as diverse as feminists, if not more. I personally do support direct action, sometimes militant action, but I do not support folks assaulting people for differing political views. I only support violence when it comes to defense, whether it be warfare or a street fight.
CONT....
YeOldeHeretic 3 months ago
I saw similar shit in Quebec City in 2001. I was blown away when I saw my fellow protestors fighting with each other. At the beginning I was with the "yellows" to start with and in the "red" for a small time and then I moved into the "green" after that, just because I was disgusted at seeing militants and union folk beating each other up over protest tactics.
CONT...
YeOldeHeretic 3 months ago
wikipedia: Police ... have infiltrated black blocs with undercover officers. Since all members conceal their identities, it is harder to recognize infiltrators. Allegations first surfaced after several demonstrations. At the 2001 G8 summit in Genoa, amongst the many complaints ... "men in black were seen getting out of police vans near protest marches." In August 2007, On these occasions, some were identified by genuine protesters because of their police-issue footwear.
rriverstone1 3 months ago
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@rriverstone1 "In August 2007, On these occasions, some were identified by genuine protesters because of their police-issue footwear." Indeed, that was at a peaceful union rally in Quebec. Fucking morons.
Laurel
YeOldeHeretic 3 months ago
it's shocking that people are so stupid when there's a camera everywhere. It's like we even got footage in Egypt when their government shut down the internet and the tv get a clue people. -__-
MistressArte 3 months ago
"Occupier Hit By Car" did you miss the part where the occupier attacked the car?
Granted running in to the dude is controversial, but to suggest that a pedestrian was attacked with a car without mention of the provocation is a strawman
toppledgod 3 months ago
You know what I think: Infiltrators! Agents Provocateurs! Counter-Intelligence Operatives! etc.
Confront and expose!
FeministWhore 3 months ago
@FeministWhore - It's not paranoia if they're really out to get you!
FeministWhore 3 months ago
@FeministWhore o.0 COINTEL-PRO! lmao
Divinity33372 3 months ago
@FeministWhore I agree entirely with this opinion.
I've notice a common thread in those who instigate via broken windows;
they HATE transparency.
Sorry to go all Godwin's, but Kristallnacht, does come to mind.
Any way you track this, it is a time of violence, and of replies to violence.
Poetic metaphors, and reflections on echos of the past,
may no longer be out of bounds, for us to perceive.
Political correctness, may have flown, from out of a shattered pane.
DonQuixotedeKaw 3 months ago
@FeministWhore hope yr joking. :/
anarcrustie 3 months ago
I think you have a good sense of smell. :)
xxxild 3 months ago
anarchists simply believe that all forms of government are coercive and lead to hierarchy.
thats all we have in common. we are a diverse group.
just like atheists. atheists lack belief in god, but thats about all we have 100% in common
zazenzach 3 months ago
@zazenzach well said
volound 3 months ago
These black bloc types glom onto legitimate protests and basically make asses of themselves. They discredit the movement. If you see them breaking the law, video them and turn them in.
Ramiiam 3 months ago
Sarahon06 said you had something good to say. He was right!
Nagneto 3 months ago
of course there is a smear campaign, which was anticipated. my question is; what the bloody hell happened to the legal precedent in regard to slander and defamation of character?
paddedshell 3 months ago
Oh, thank you so much. I saw this socialist stereotyping all anarchists like that and was just anarchist bashing and many people liked it. I greatly appreciate this for letting me know that someone doesn't hate me. You restore my faith in humanity. You're a angel.
thatkamikid 3 months ago
I was just reading an article about the vandals dressed in black. I don't know if this has been common practice during the Occupy protests, but many of the businesses were closed, and there was a rumor that the Whole Foods that was attacked was telling it's employees they would be terminated if they participated in the protest. I don't know if I'm jumping to conclusions, but the term "advanced warning" seems to come to mind.
ChuckMeIntoHell 3 months ago
Really was surprised learning about the protestors being hit by a car and the driver being let go. I was under the impression if a driver hits a pedestrian for ANY reason, its still manslaughter.
skeletonmom 3 months ago
I do not think they are anarchists, I think they are a bunch of far right rich kids that have taken it upon themselves or encouraged by their rich daddy’s to make the protest look bad.
Redpilldown 3 months ago
I think the term anarchist got confused with vandals and thugs in the 1930 when government news film reels started calling violent protesters anarchist.
wizkid2000 3 months ago
@wizkid2000
"I think the term anarchist got confused with vandals and thugs in the 1930 when government news film reels started calling violent protesters anarchist."
Unfortunately this is how I saw all anarchists a few years ago, and sadly this is still the prevailing stereotype- it will take time to change this but it's certainly possible.
TurboDally 3 months ago
black bloc are bunch of douches
jmm1233 3 months ago
Anarchists - aka Anti-Statists - Whilst not all of us are like those hooligans, some are like in all groups. Anti-Statists that agree with me believe in voluntary governance versus the coercive monopoly on governance, which is referred to as a state. Please do not mistake the stereotype with every single example of the real thing. As Akira625 typed, those guys are vandals, whether or not they are Anarchists are unknown, the Anarchist symbol may have been for anarchy as in chaos.
Iwubchickenwubbins 3 months ago
ima try to make you a video reply tonight. :)
jakluk4 3 months ago
hmm, brand new cloths, brand new backpacks, matching cloths (an anarchist no-no), highly organized (anarchists prefer disorganized resistance over organized resistance). You know, the police provocateurs(cops dressed as vandals) in the Toronto G20 had the same MO. /watch?v=TbLU9tdDwxo
chrixthegreat 3 months ago
They looked to much organized to be anarchists. They stayed together in a group, with the small black flags were they could see where their group was. You never see "normal" anarchists wearing matching clothes. It almost looked like a military operation.
IAmDonar 3 months ago
Those "anarchists" who dress in black and cover their faces, and come to various protests looking to start trouble, are not anarchists at all as for as I'm concerned. They're just a bunch of glorified vandals.
Akira625 3 months ago
Actually, now that I looked at the video you're talking about, I'm pretty sure its a bunch of dumb ass people, claiming the anarchy banner but not really understanding the meaning, and acting out in the worst possible way. Because they could have all been arrested, I doubt the were put up to it. We as a movement need to stop that kind of acting out because it changes the message from "We are the people'' to "We are just punks" and no one will care if the police forcibly shut down the punks:(
ShenFromTerraTraba 3 months ago
While it is possible that someone has paid some kids to hurt the movement, it's more likely that these were just kids taking advantage of the environment. Having lived in Oakland for many years, I don't see Brietbart or O'keefe actually getting much traction with them. I do believe that the MSMedia will pin the word anarchy where ever they can. Not only does this movement need to grow, but we need to watch over our own ranks and stop violence before it happens.
ShenFromTerraTraba 3 months ago
Give anon a bit, they'll have the driver's docs dropped all over. He'll never hear the end of it.
Darkfirebrand 3 months ago
These sorts of people are the reason I don't go to protests. I've seen it too often. And I'm sorry to say that I doubt they are plants. It's possible they are lead by an Agent Provocateur, but IMO, more likely to be their own intiative. The Radical Left in Europe can be as terroristic as radical Islam.
Just because these folks arn't our kind of anarchists (and I know several), they are still anarchists, as much as any angry youth who wants a cause is anything. Which is who these folks are.
TheBoyFromNorfolk 3 months ago
They are black block Anarchists. The black block are the violent ones.
metalgodess81 3 months ago
From all the footage i have watched,its a mixture of Undercover cops,and opportunistic ass holes.
h8red42 3 months ago 2
I dislike damage to private property, even the property is owned by banks who's CEOs should be in jail. These guys are violent thugs, not necessarily anarchists of the left libertarian flavor.
Untemperedsteel 3 months ago
I doubt that this is some kind of right wing false flag. These same types of ppl did pretty much the same thing in Oakland a few years ago when there were protests associated with Oscar Grant's murderer getting out of jail. A bunch of anarchists broke windows and stole stuff from the businesses in the area. These ppl just wait for opportunities to destroy private property in the anonymity of crowds.
edAVP1138 3 months ago
Obvious. DHS provocateurs. is obvious.
AtomicDaytime 3 months ago 2
Might I suggest the the person in the Mercedes might be a provoker as well. Nothing screams class warfare like Luxury vehicles running over protestors.
I think someone might have a desire to create an arab spring event in the US. Order out of Chaos?
E1GHTY8 3 months ago
You have a good nose for this, Div. Yes, these individuals are planted in the crowd to discredit the non-violent facet of the protest. Who they are is less important than what they are doing.
The obvious answer is for the protesters to act against these individuals. Capturing at least one of them might yield some very useful information...
TheMercilessEye 3 months ago
I concur. I smell several rats.
I personally don't agree with most anarchist ideology, but the anarchists I'm familiar with are decidely NOT in favor of chaos. In fact, one of the things upon which we differ is that believe in a benevolent anarchy, which I do not think could really exist. Anarchist are not violent.
SiriusMined 3 months ago
Occupy Oakland Riot - Ana Reports for The Young Turks
watch?v=z6Y0rRWO1ak
thethegreenmachine 3 months ago
Anarchism just like any other philosophy has it's redicals. I used to know many anarxhists and while most are peaceful there were some who had the attitude of 'smash the system by any means'. Whenever there was a demonstration they would come just to cause trouble, no matter how many people told them they weren't welcome they kept coming
ofc there's a possibility that those in the current protests are provocateurs but we can't just assume that without evidence.
Scarletpooky 3 months ago
They clearly weren't part of the overall movement. They had their own agenda clearly, they wore identifying uniforms, people not wearing their uniforms were opposing it.
I don't know if someone staged it or if it was just some group using the situation to their advantage but it wasn't the occupy Oakland movement.
explosivoification 3 months ago
Yeah, I've had the same thought about these "Anarchists" - there's a high probability that they're provocateurs.
VierasMarius 3 months ago
Idunno why the cops let that guy go. There might've been a good reason that I just can't come up with, but it looks to me like they should've arrested him.
thethegreenmachine 3 months ago
Idunno whether they're doing it as a smear or because they believe vandalism is the way. I do know that it will be used to smear. Maybe the protesters can devise a way to prevent it or at least stop it when they see it.
thethegreenmachine 3 months ago
These kids along with the media are the reason people like me stop and consider it before we utter the word anarchist. Yes. We believe you can destroy statism by smashing the windows out of a whole foods market. *rolls eyes* This shit gets on my nerves.
Sarahon06 3 months ago
This is disturbing but predictable. It could be staged It could also be the angry assholes sometimes known as the Black block.
Anarchism is a philosophy of personal responsibility These people are not deep thinkers and they are deliberately behaving in an irresponsible manner
belfastfreethinker 3 months ago
It are the cops. Together with criminals on probation = "spijtoptanten". It are there orders. To cause trouble. To break up the movement.
yasminevinck 3 months ago
Unfortunately disruption can be caused by "friendlies" as well. The majority will usually be either systemic reformists or, on the other side of the spectrum, ultraleftists. The latter tend to want action now- hotheaded, self-righteous, and oblivious or hostile to what the masses want. They can be counted on to "act serious," wear the black scarves, smash things, yell a lot, act out. That predictability can be exploited by agent provocateurs, but it's already politically counterproductive
Whatistobe 3 months ago
As an anarchist, I certainly would never do the sorts of things those people were doing, though I have no fondness for those particular corporations. While most anarchists I have met are very peaceful, I have met some "anarchists" who are violent, anti-social, and emotionally unstable. They might get violent to prove their point, especially in the excitement of a massive protest.
If I were to make a bet though, I'd say those vandals were agents provocateurs.
Stargazer5781 3 months ago
Ahhhhh...no....this doesn't smell like a Brietbart/O'Keefe plant, it IS a Brietbart/O'Keefe plant, designed to smear the Occupy movement.
Of course, any movement will attract their share of troublemakers who aren't there for the protest but simply want to make trouble...but this does look a lot like some paid agitators.
Anthony
AnthonyJKenn 3 months ago
Black bloc
DiwataMan 3 months ago
anarchist like atheist is a much misunderstood term, frequently abused by both the people themselves and their opponents.
all leftist (and i use the term loosely) protests that gain media attention are hijacked by agent provocateurs and also by the more naive and militant 'proper' protesters. The occupy group need to nip this in the bud swiftly and peacefully.
jimthepleb 3 months ago
I think these kids were like the troublemakers in the London riot earlier this year. They weren't part of the protest, they were there simply to cause trouble. I don't know what their motives were, maybe they simply wanted to cause trouble for trouble's sake. But I can gaurantee they were not part of the protest, nor were they Anarchists.
VinnyMonster1 3 months ago
Sure, kids can be easily manipulated. It does seem like a set up: someone is trying to smear the occupy movement with false motives. However, anarchy means different things to different people, but those guys seemed too odd to be real and it does smell like a James O'Keefe stunt.
zarkoff45 3 months ago