Yes he clearly was no scientist, lacked the analytical mind and the logic. Just because the catholic church made a business out of hell he seems to still believe in it. Religion is not disgusted by sexuality, if fact it celebrates it. They all agree that you should be in charge of your sexual behaviour and not the other way round - how bad is that.
Sure if God wanted to be known to men a desert tribe was a poor place to start. God should have seen Murdoch first ;-)
Delivered by a smug guy who loves to hear himself talk. However, this is one of the most enlightening speeches I have ever heard. I am thankful I am living at a time when I can hear this man. I feel a loss knowing that he has passed.
God loves you, it doesn't matter what you've done or what you believe in, He loves you! For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that whosoever would believe in him might be saved. :) I used to be a drug addict and alcohol abuser, but now I gave my life to serve God, he's been very patient with me even when I make so much mistakes, yah. God is calling you to live a Holy life. :) he doesn't hate you but he does hate sin, only Jesus can wash away our sins :) God bless you
I FIGURED IT OUT! THE UNIVERSE STARTED FROM NOTHING BECAUSE IT GROWS! JUST LIKE A SEED TURNS INTO A TREE. THE UNIVERSE FEEDS OFF OF ANTI MATTER, CREATING SOMETHING FROM NOTHING.
I followed the link you gave. If you accept old earth evolutionary theory and merely differ on the origin of life and divinity of the Bible, we agree on most things, and you're far more progressive and on-the-ball than many Christians I know. Biologos seems much more reasonable than most of the god+science movements I've seen. :)
"The second law of thermodynamics, states that the total entropy of any isolated thermodynamic system tends to increase over time, approaching a maximum value. Unlike almost all other laws of physics, this associates thermodynamics with a definite arrow of time. However, for a universe of infinite size, which cannot be regarded as an isolated system, the second law does not apply."
Apparently there is an oscillating universe theory about how entropy could be explained.
@TheSamuraiGoomba Are you being sarcastic about the oscillating universe theory or genuine? I actually cannot tell. In response to the second law, I would love to see a source. An infinite universe?
@harrisonlw Well, there is a theory, but I cannot tell you how accurate it is.
sciforums is my source, in the Cosmology section.
I'm not a scientist in this field, so I was just browsing some discussions in the Cosmology section. I'm atheistic to Christian religion, but more agnostic towards this kind of specified "kick-starter" deism. I don't find the arguments convincing, but I won't argue that it couldn't happen.
@harrisonlw Every xtian has their own definition for what a real xtian is. I certainly don't mis represent the bible, nor the many that take it as the word of god.
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@harrisonlw I am confident that the continued lack of any evidence (despite much searching), combined with a very great deal of evidence that explains or existence, is sufficient to make the likelihood of a god close to zero.
@harrisonlw Atheists do not rely on blind belief. Wil rely on evidence. Where none is yet forthcoming to convincingly support an explanation, we could be said to be patiently "waiting for one".
As for the "Christian eyes" and "Atheist eyes" nonsense, take it from this ex-Christian that this claim is untrue. No Christian can view their religion without blind belief (at some point it becomes necessary for them to fall back on), so they could not really view with atheist eyes. Further, few American christians can view the evidence for evolution with "atheist eyes," and there is loads of it!
One could argue that overuse of "christian eyes" in science classrooms is the US' big problem.
@TheSamuraiGoomba And what point would that be? The atheist would find it difficult, at best, to not rely on blind belief at some point as well. For example, what caused the Big Bang? The atheist's 'suggestion' that no God or gods exist is completely unfounded and cannot be proved by science. I do not live in the US (but have heard that Christianity is embedded in many aspects of education) so I cannot discuss that point.
@harrisonlw This is the God of the Gaps idea (force God into whatever gaps in scientific knowledge remain). We don't really know what caused the Big Bang, but there are many scientific theories. And "God did it" doesn't at all explain how the big bang happened (it wasn't really big or a bang anyway), because then you have to explain God. If God doesn't have to have a cause, then why does the Big Bang have to? God gets special permission 'cause the Bible says so?
@TheSamuraiGoomba Nothing cannot produce something. The universe cannot be eternal, it is scientifically and philosophically impossible. What about fine-tuning and moral law? These are not God-of-the-gaps arguments, fine-tuning uses science as its basis to come to its findings, not divine action.
@harrisonlw Evolution does not teach that nothing produced something, evolution teaches that something produces something. Creation teaches nothing-> something.
Fine-tuning is a terrible argument, there are so many examples of bad "design" which makes sense in light of evolutionary theory, but not if a God designed everything. Sickle Cell anyone? How about tail bones? The prostate?
Starting with a conclusion and then looking for evidence is unscientific. Creationism is not science.
@TheSamuraiGoomba Actually, creationism teaches that God created the universe. If He is eternal then something -> something. I did not say 'nothing cannot produce something' in relation to evolution, it was in relation to the origins of the universe. Science and theism can be compatible, there are many Christian evolutionists. Again, I never said that creationism was science, you said that. I know the objections to fine-tuning, but the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of there being a creator.
@harrisonlw What created God? How can the universe need a beginning, but not God? "The bible told me so?" Absurd. Creationism offers no answer to this question, this is where it becomes religious dogma. How can you suggest as an answer to complexity a being more complex than its creation?
"The odds are overwhelmingly in favor of their being a creator?" Source, please. And even if you are right and there is a creator, that's Deism. That in no way proves or could prove Christianity.
There was an error so I could not quote an example, but the article is one of many that I have read/sourced and you will find examples there. My aim is not to prove Christianity to you. Proving a deistic god would only be half the effort for a Christian in proving that their God is the true god, you are right. However, many Christians have experienced God personally, and many historical scholars testify to Jesus' existence.
@harrisonlw That's why Christianity is a belief that I feel is of the same weight as any unsupported belief. Jesus existing or not proves nothing about whether he was divine, that's the faith part. I don't care what people believe on faith, as long as it doesn't affect my freedom to live my life. I want both of us to be free to believe what we want.
I do think physical evidence > faith, where the evidence exists. The creationist movements seem quite dismissive of science in general.
@TheSamuraiGoomba I guess some creationists are dismissive of science, but that doesn't mean that every creationist is dismissive of science. There are many who believe in the compatibility of science and religion. It is very important to remain open-minded, which is how I came to my own conclusions.
Atheists claim to believe in science and then condemn believers for not believing in science when that is not true. Atheists generally cannot view the evidence through Christian 'eyes', whereas Christians (in my experience at least) can/do view the evidence through atheist 'eyes'. How can atheists claim there is no God when their presuppositions make it impossible for a God to exist? Atheists will then counter that Christians enforce their views upon them, but that is a straw-man argument.
@harrisonlw Christianity does enforce its views upon others. Read a history book. This is not a strawman argument, the odds are that whatever sect of Christianity you come from, at some point the inspiration of your religion oppressed or taught that it was right to oppress another human being because of what was in an old book.
Atheism has no creed. It cannot by definition impose any belief, except the suggestion that god and gods do not exist.
@TheSamuraiGoomba Does that mean that every Christian in the history of the world has enforced its views upon others? I accept people's opinions and beliefs and do not force them to believe in anything they do not want to believe, thus your first statement loses validity. Did I ever use the word 'belief'? I said 'presuppositions'. Atheists still 'suggest' (as you say) that no God or gods exist and are VERY steadfast in their views.
@harrisonlw A statement doesn't lose validity because you personally don't enforce your beliefs on others. If it did, your point about dogmatic atheists would be invalid for the same reason (I could use the exact same defense).
I don't understand everything about science or evolutionary science, but there have to be people who exist that really DO understand it, and there are. Christianity doesn't have anyone who claims to perfectly understand their God or his texts.
@TheSamuraiGoomba Well it does, because not every Christian enforces their beliefs onto other people. You are correct that you could use the exact same defense, but the majority of users commenting here are atheists, and many of them are ridiculing theists.
@harrisonlw Its true many xtians live modest quiet lives and dont force their notions on others (except their children of course). But things were not always thus. A few moderates now do not make up for 2000 yrs of putting non-believers to death, or using religious differences as an excuse for enmity, subjugation and war.
@elgar104 You are misrepresenting the 'few moderates' that are practicing Christians. You should beware of judging the Christians who aren't real Christians and then criticize the whole of Christianity for endorsing their actions and beliefs. That is untrue.
@harrisonlw Every Christian believes only their sect is correct. This makes debates about Christianity pointless, because even if we decide on a set of rules the two of us can live with, Christian #2 will say you are totally wrong and all my points about christians are invalid because *you* are not a real Christian either.
Oh, and who says the universe cannot be eternal? I just checked a science forum and the only people saying that were creationists.
@TheSamuraiGoomba The universe had no beginning? Therefore it is infinitely old? This violates the second law of thermodynamics, not to mention it is philosophically impossible. Entropy would be total, which would've happened long ago, thus nothing would happen. There must have been a first cause because the universe BEGAN to exist, which is an effect in itself. The cause must be self-existing, as it cannot be caused. Oh, so you ONLY listen to atheists when considering scientific theories now?
Christianity is an evil religion because it can not exist without imposing its beleifs on the rest of the world.For the last 2000 years it has crushed people, nations, plundered civilizations, burnt dissidents,etc. How more evil can you get? Building hospitals and charities can not erase all the havoc it has created. Specially cruel among original cultures, it was the annihilating force in the destruction of precolumbian societies in America, millions of lives were obliterated in its expansion.
@4everpraisethelord Doesnt it worry you that God looked on with indifference for over 100 thousand years - before intervening? Or that there have been plenty people with no contact with your religion that have independently evolved similar or more sophisticated moral codes?
Religion is a way of controlling ignorant people. It doesnt make you bad to accept this - just free. How much better to be nice to one another - regardless of fear or promise of reward.
@elgar104 There is a difference b/n God and religion. Ppl use their religion to kill and do all the evil things but God does not approve of it. If you look at other men who have failed it is wrong. look at God the creator of heaven and earth have faith in God. Religion is man made only God is not man made.Well i believe with out my faith in God i will be worth nothing and nothing will ever buy me the peace of mind i have from God.May the true God bless you and guide you
Saying there is zero proof of a living God is problematic. Empirical knowledge that which in science is governed by the senses has of late been open to criticism by scientists themselves. You have to define proof, if it is empirical proof then you have to ask if seeing is really believing. The human brain and it's sensory organs are perhaps Ill equipped to perceive God.
Hitchens makes some interesting points here some of which I have had trouble with as a recovering orthodox Christian. The argument although is unbalanced focusing primarily on the negative aspects of Christianity. Christ taught to love thy neighbour, to forgive, to help and to heal the sick there are some parallels with Buddhism. I have more of a problem with doctrine as opposed to the teachings of enlightened beings.
@maneatslion You are so close to working it out. One last push! If Christ existed - then some of his philosophy isn't too bad (lets overlook the slavery thing). But it was hardly original then and certainly no proof of divinity. Treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself is not a chrisitan doctrine. Too right there are parallels with Buddhism, and with much else besides. So where's all this common ground coming from?!
@RaNdOmViDeOs6399 The burden of proof is on the side making the claim. There is zero proof for a living god. If you have proof call your local news station because you are about to win the Nobel Prize.
@RaNdOmViDeOs6399 Can you prove leprechauns do not and have no existed outside of our realm? That must mean they are definitely real. So is anything else you can make up.
@RaNdOmViDeOs6399 One reason? Gosh, how to choose....Lets go with the claim that the world is 6000yrs old, when the evidence from multiple scientific disciplines concludes the age to be between 4 and 5 billion years. Given that God supposedly made man with the intelligence to work this out at some point - why leave in such a glaring gaff, that will later undermine your credibility?
@RaNdOmViDeOs6399 Well some people who are not satisfied with them selves nothing will satisfy them even id God showed himself up they will never believe it. May God guide all of us and keep us on the right side.
@barttolome771 as a philippino atheist, this makes me feel ashamed. Your arrogance and bigotry truly disgust me. Saying that everyone needs god because without him, then we'll be miserable and depressed is arrogant and simply stupid. How come Sweden, one of the most atheist countries, is one of the most happiest countries in the world? You can be good and happy without Jesus and god. If there was absolutely no heaven/hell, would you still love god so very much? That instinct to hold on to a hop
*sigh* there's always a gigantic group of retards that got suckered into a pyramid scheme and they may take a loss in money, they don't lose it all. There are also a bunch of people that have imaginary friends. most have to see a psychiatrist. There are also people that believe everything they read in books. Even a further step, there are people that also stand on the corner yelling crazy things :usually bums:. But once they say "I'm christian" all their delusions gain validity?
@AndrosForever ...I think you meant to say ' selective teachings'.....There is much bad with the good when it comes to the carpenters take on things...
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if u will not accept JESUS as the son of GOD and all his teachings and his miraculous works it your life seems to be uncertain, miserable and no direction JESUS is the light of the world who ever comes to him will not walked through the darkness....All the mystery in life will be solve and and have solutions and peace will follow, don't worry mr. Hitchens time wl come that you will accept JESUS. Here in our country the Philippines, we couldn't see an atheist like you
@barttolome771 "Here in the Philippines, we couldn't see an atheist like you". Then you are both deaf and blind to rational thought and I am sorry for you.
We will eventually have explanations for "All the mystery in life" and no doubt you will continue to stick your head in your religious comfort blanket and your fingers in your ears.
This rubbish you type convinces no-one. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - not font capitalisation.
Have u not heard or witnessed the miracles did by our LORD JESUS? and f u wont believe of what was JESUS did then just watch FR. Fernando Suarez's healing crusade and u wl witness the works of our LORD JESUS....many crippled man walked, many blind man had seen, and even dead people in CANADA GOD has restored it through fr. Fernando Suarez. Please read the BIBLE and u wl explore many wonderful things which your life has not yet encountered
@barttolome771 If the miracles were proven (ancient or modern) then everyone on the planet would instantly convert. Doesnt the fact that they havent tell you something fundamental about the evidence for them?
You explain to me why there isnt a single example of a miracle cure for an amputee - and I'll help you write your placards. Thats a promise.
@elgar104 Well you breezing in and out is a miracle. What more miracle do you want? Pray to the everlasting God and he will give you miracle. God bless you
@4everpraisethelord My existence is not a miracle. It is chance. I dont take as much joy in my good fortune to be alive as I should - but I will learn to.
It is both convenient and contradictory to think God occasionally suspends the laws of physics and nature in someones favour. Immoral and capricious too - given that the same god chooses not to intercede on behalf of thousands of children who die each day thru no fault of their own.
A simple example is this; here in our country f u see a mango tree whether it is ripe or not when people passed by specially the children they will stoned it until it fells down.
Christianity is like a ripe mango-many people will stoned it because JESUS is there, the BIBLE said f any body won't believe JESUS and f his crucifixion is foolish to them then that man is already punished like hitchens...
@barttolome771 People who quote the bible have (a) seldom read it thoroughly and (b) never research how and when it was put together.
We have film and photographic record + personal testimony from those there, of an assination not 50 yrs ago in dallas, and yet conspiracy theories abound. Do you think it credible to peg your very existence to a story written down 2k yrs ago, well over a hundred years later of the events, told to the writer by third hand witnesses? Seriously?
@elgar104 You believe you have a brain but you never felt it. seen it.never touched it but you believe you have it how can you believe in something you never seen?
@4everpraisethelord You make no sense. Are you saying that my belief in possession of a brain is the same leap you make to believe in god? Golly golly gumdrops, how do you manage to get dressed each morning?
While it is true that Ive never touched my own brain, Ive touched a preserved brain and seen film of brain operations and Ive the testimony of every doctor on the planet.There comes a point, when so much evidence becomes better than seeing it with my own eyes.
Perversions reflect character. Media-darling Christ' Hitchens, who documented his anal-sadistic practices with men in print, was likely a key member of the Geo. H.W. Bush (& family) pederasty ring. Are not men judged by the company they keep?
LMAO.....and where is this fossil record of a hundred thousand years of homo-sapien existence. where are the transitionary fossils for these species of evolving beings??? ill wait another 60 million years
Living in a city, I have seen and work with more corrupted christian than what would assumed kind / loving christian.
Collective mutual in-your-face bribery & bullying, in business and in real life. All these are forgiven if they "believe". Either I am seeing lots and lots of "fake christian" that are actually going to hell, or this religion simply failed.
And for the later case, if I have to join these horrible people to have a chance, I will resist, god be damned.
The law of God serves to show us how we fall short of What God wants for our life. If it wern't for the law, we would have no knowledge of our sinfullness and our shortcomings.
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Sometimes I wonder what the aim is with people like Christopher Hitchens. Is the egocentric academic really just trying to activate his intellect, show a web of "intelligent" argument which lacks any attempt to do good. By their fruits you shall know them says the Biblical scolar - so what fruits has this man done - dead fruits I suspect. Jesus is the way.
The aim of people like Christopher Hitchens is to educate people that have rejected reality to conform to the safety net of religion. Perhaps you don't agree that it has done any good, but you don't have to. To each ones own.
@raymcvey Hitch looks out for the long term health of the species. He argues good done under threat or promise of reward is no good at all. His writings r a profound and lasting fruit.
Christianity: democracy. free speech. charity. equality. discernment. freedom of science. free choice. freedom of worship. Morality. Love of truth. Sobriety. Clear objective thinking. Conscience.
Illuminati: capitalism. death to the truth-speakers. financial debt enslavement. Survival of the fittest. destruction of the family. immorality. psychological depravity. formal indoctrination with no allowance to question political-correctness. violence. drugs. mass brainwash. love of lies... Idk
@saintstrawman I fail to see how your comment was relevant at all - you've taken most of the words and phrases highly out of context.What's more, labelling Christianity as containing 'equality' and 'free choice' is ludicrous. How could it, when countless homosexuals are unable to marry and have access to common rights? How could it, when Christianity's policies on contraception have led to millions of deaths in Africa, due to strong believing Christians with aids?
@electricsoupx Because true Christianity takes no final authority on a secular govt. Jesus said: "render to Caesar that which is Caesar's and to God the things of God." It says nothing about homosexuals not being able to join by the state, but it's just not marriage by definition. And if "Christians" want to ignore God's command to preserve life, it's their own fault, not God's. Atheism on the other hand...
Adam and Eve chose not to obey God, showing that their desire was to sin. So how can mankind blame God? If it is your desire to have peace, turn to the Lord Jesus Christ today. "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest." Matt. 11:28
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I reckon people would leave religion alone the moment it stopped leaving us alone and telling we are going to burn in hell unless we convert, let alone indoctrinating and brain washing kids into their parents religion the moment they are born
@19Cadence Ah yes, the common threat. "If you don't think the way I do, you're going to regret it." Making the grand assumption that whatever god you believe in must be the correct one, and billions of others throughout history were absolutely wrong and are now being tortured forever. You not only threaten it, you wish for it. Sadistic.
No it isn't, and not all of us christians are perfect and walk around with smiles on our face all the time, sure I'm not the best Christian I could be, but it gets annoying when no matter how many times you try to argue a point, you get another ignorant atheist just criticizing what you say. but thank you for reminding me of my manners, how sweet
@fred10538 A good way of looking at it is God saying this is how much you should have been punished when he dies on the cross but I will take this punishment to show how much I care about you. It is all symbolic.
Hi. Erm, God created Man actually because of His own Glory that He deserved. Adam then sinned under the temptation of Satan. God, angry but forgiving, came out with a plan. Because of His Holiness, the only way Man could escape Hell was through a pure sacrifice, without sin. Jesus Christ. He died for us so that our sins could be paid for. Those who reject Christ would not receie His Grace and will go to Hell, forever. Everyone is doomed to Hell because of Sin. And Jesus Christ is the
Christianity does not make much sense without some interpretation I think. What if Christ's death on the cross for everyones' sins was symbolic? God becomes a man Jesus to suffer and die as a symbolic gesture to pay for peoples sins to show how much he loves humans even though they are often very wicked. He then forgives all sinners who accept his symbolic gesture. Looking at it that way makes much more sense I think. Rather like someone who offers to pay a fine for you.
You simpleton, numb nutted crass dummy Christian is that the very best you can do? Threaten us with hell? Where is hell? What's the address? If you are going to threaten us with hell...at least you should know where it is...but you don't. What's it like to lie to human beings and children and if you don't love Jesus/god you will suffer in hell for all eternity? You are a bunch of Fking psychopaths and Liars and everyone knows it...that is why Atheism is growing because you are LIARS.
Alright, all you dumbass atheists can believe whatever the hell you want, wait til your deathbed then we'll see how you feel about God and if he's real or not.
because the founder of the satanic church cried out for God's mercy on his deathbed. So good luck to you ignorant fucks
@PHOSPH3R Hitchens PREMISE & CONCLUSION that Jesus sacrifice is a blanket acquittal for all of man's sins is an inconceivably ignorant idea. All Jesus ever taught was us forgiving each other. Don't even THINK about leaving your gift on MY ALTAR when there's ANYBODY out there who even has the SLIGHTEST aggravation against you. FIRST go and be reconciled. Your position is totally without defense and all you're giving is offense along with this character. Understand why he's dead? READ the Bible!
@Shwayzebananas Saves us from wasting our time focusing on fighting rather than on technological and social advancement and the bonds between human beings.
Well yes, informing people how stupid and incredibly fucked up christianity (and any other religion) is. That can save a lot of time for people. Didn't you know belief affect our actions? Sounds like you're another dumb as fuck christian.
@theetrue We don't really need him to tell us that. It's just nice to hear another person voice the views we already have. Besides, that sentiment can go both ways: Many Christians need the keep hearing the word of God / the Bible to be assured that "God is right, all other religions are wrong"... so that's not really a high ground to stand on...
christians belive that there is a compleatly unprovable "thing" that created the world from a book full of unoriginal story's barrowed from belifes that predate christianity, and tell us not to think for ourselfs "rely not in ones own understanding but trust in the lord" basicaly teling you to be stupid so you can be controlled more easy .....boot throat.
Not only is the idea of compulsory love immoral but also (in the context of the Christian god) IMPOSSIBLE. The human animal requires visual and tactile stimuli in order to develop a bond with or "love" someone or something. A human being cannot possible love something it cannot see or touch. The Christian claim of being able to "love" their god is one of the more absurd and illogical of the belief system's claims. Christians don't love their god, they fear his wrath and the concept of hell.
If you believe Jesus to be God in context of the holy trinity, then he would have had the power to free himself from execution making his death a sacrifice to forgive our wrong doing, in turn making it ethical. He compared Jesus to a goat being punished by others for others...this argument doesn't work as it is only addressed from the view of a Christian or an Atheist
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@chordstruck Dawkins was given a LONG time to prepare to debate Craig, I think you're misplacing his silence and absence for Chris earning his reward. Hawking can't speak for himself. All you really got is Sam Harris promoting Thomastic Good (God)?
Causal closure is the linchpin of naturalists and it's an abject failure. You've got an argument for morality based on human free will that includes Divine pre-destination. hmm?
The guy would have to be a blithering idiot to boo such an incredible man as Mr. Hitchings, then to not show respect for such a brilliant and truthful commentary!
The guy who boo'd, had to have been a Fundie who can't think for himself anyway, plus, he likely couldn't fathom a word of what was said.
IMO, Chris H. had a perfect understanding of the mentality behind such insane writings, which could only come from men, not any ghost-gods!
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As we review the NT, slavery language is one part of the bigger picture. Christ's ultimate goal isnt to oppress and destroy but to give life, redeem and to release. Paul doesn't abolish slavery(not as we understand it today), rather he makes it ultimately irrelavant. All the structures that separate Jew and Greek, male and female, slave and free, were radically overturned by the sharing of a common meal together to celebrate the Lord's death.
25:11 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:
25:12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.
How a thinking person could think this is the mind of a god is beyond me.
@csadler When translations are done and they appear contrary to the overall theme, context you may want to refer to the Greek/Hebrew. When I ask someone about what do you think about :an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth" they normally think this as barbaric. What they misunderstand in those times it was a "limitation" and act of mercy. The "law" was temporary and not perfect but it paved the way for perfection. So when you read "cut off the hand" something is wrong .......
@csadler When you go to the orginal language you have an "uh ha" moment. A more palausible understanding. Humiliation for humiliation. The word "kaph" commonly translated to palm, concave hip socket, or pelvic area. The "qal" verb is the milder verb vs "piel" (cut-off) "Qal" softer term means clip/cut/shave. Shaving pubic hair was a humiliating punishment practised in Babylon and Sumer,
atheism is not a religion. its a theory just as christianity is. allthough mass human intelligence has debunked christianity. christians still preach it even though most dont even believe in it. heres the facts. not one human being knows what happens when we die, or why were here or if there is a god. if we knew u think there would be atheist. its all false and an insult to human intelligence.
the guy has some points right while others very wrong..he is giving humans way more credit..dude humans without rules , laws and morals taught by some commendments of various religions, will and have and will continue to do terrible things like murder, rape etc..dont believe me? look at africa! so get ur facts right|
@dgenxali He's not promoting anarchy, as you can see by his attitude of the first (circa) 100,000 years of human existence. Humans do indeed deserve the credit for making rules for organized society, but they deserve credit for both the good and bad parts of it throughout history.
@Gowardh There is no such thing as the devil. Your god is imaginary and serves just for wish thinking on your part. Please read your bible and see the evil, the absolute beast of a god that is described in those pages.
@csadler, but you cannot prove that he doesn't exist. As we christians will never have "proof" to satisfy most athiests. Besides...let's just for argument's sake, say that God is real. If according to our beliefs, he is the creator of all things. Doesn't that give him the right to do with us as he wishes. Our human morals, and God's morals are nothing alike. I could build a paddle for a canoe that is so decorative and ornate, people would pay thousands of dollars for. But I go and throw it into
@csadler a bonfire and watch it burn to ashes. You might say I am stupid for wasting hard work, and money. But hey, I made it, I can do what I want with it. Of course this doesn't mean we should beat children and do what we want with them. But children are in the same league as adults so they get certain rights. But us humans have no right to say that God is a "beast". He created us, what right do we have to say what is right and wrong for God to do. His sense of right and wrong overrules ours.
@1Morey If God exists, you would be right, he would be a terrible being from our perspective. Just because you have no right to judge him doesn't mean you can't. Having a higher authority is no excuse for not analyzing that higher power's morals against your own. If you don't do that, then that probably means you're also not doing the thinking to determine whether or not he's actually real.
@1Morey Which god do you mean? There have been so many created by humans. Look, your god is imaginary - that is very clear. The descriptions of what he does in the OT are, evil. He is a beast. Good thing its fiction. The god of the OT approves of slavery, murder, killing baby boys and enslaving their virgin sisters. If you read the bible and study it like I have you will come to the same conclusion. That *version* of god is a wicked beast.
@csadler You are aware of slavery back in those times vs slavery today and slavery over the last several hundred years? Just checking...because of how you lumped several things together. Some people are ignorant to what slavery was than and now.
@Truenorthman100 I go by what the bible says. Buy, Sell, beat just don't kill, force female captives to be your wife. The god of the bible seems to approve of humans *owning* humans. If it had *any* morality at all it there would be a commandment - thou shall not keep other humans as slaves. But know. It seems quite happy with the concept and lays out the rules for it.
@csadler For various circumstances debt came to individuals and families. A man could volunteerly "sell" himself" or family to work in the household of another. They were than a debt-servant until released after 6 years, Their land would have be mortgaged until the Year of Jubilee (50 years). This servanthood was NOT imposed by an outsider as it was by plantation owners and slave traders. Once a servant was released he was free to pursue his own livelihood once again.
@Truenorthman100 You should actually *read* your bible. Note the Buy and Sell. Also, you did not seem to mention the bit about leaving your wife and kids behind. How nice of god eh? Further Deut 21: 21:11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
Again how nice. And if you go further in Ex 21, you get to the rules on beating your slaves. Summary: You can beat, just don't kill.
@Truenorthman100 Oh, if you decide to stay (because you love your wife and kids).
21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.
@csadler Before coming up with all sorts of modern Western solutions to solve these ancient Near Eastyern problems, we should make every effort to better grasp the nature of the Isrealite servitude (which many fail to grasp at all in these blogs) and the social and economic circumstances surropunding it. Israel's laws provided safety nets for protection, not oppression unlike future slavery. Being a slave to many of culture;s additions is much worse.
Yes he clearly was no scientist, lacked the analytical mind and the logic. Just because the catholic church made a business out of hell he seems to still believe in it. Religion is not disgusted by sexuality, if fact it celebrates it. They all agree that you should be in charge of your sexual behaviour and not the other way round - how bad is that.
Sure if God wanted to be known to men a desert tribe was a poor place to start. God should have seen Murdoch first ;-)
fourteatwo 1 day ago
Delivered by a smug guy who loves to hear himself talk. However, this is one of the most enlightening speeches I have ever heard. I am thankful I am living at a time when I can hear this man. I feel a loss knowing that he has passed.
AllergicHobbit 2 days ago
Great speech, sad hes dead, he died too soon and it would have been great if he were still alive and to be able to hear more of his great debates.
MrJohnboy1984 2 days ago
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God loves you, it doesn't matter what you've done or what you believe in, He loves you! For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son so that whosoever would believe in him might be saved. :) I used to be a drug addict and alcohol abuser, but now I gave my life to serve God, he's been very patient with me even when I make so much mistakes, yah. God is calling you to live a Holy life. :) he doesn't hate you but he does hate sin, only Jesus can wash away our sins :) God bless you
nigelm91 2 days ago
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I FIGURED IT OUT! THE UNIVERSE STARTED FROM NOTHING BECAUSE IT GROWS! JUST LIKE A SEED TURNS INTO A TREE. THE UNIVERSE FEEDS OFF OF ANTI MATTER, CREATING SOMETHING FROM NOTHING.
x420xColtonx420x 3 days ago
Forgive my constant posting.
I followed the link you gave. If you accept old earth evolutionary theory and merely differ on the origin of life and divinity of the Bible, we agree on most things, and you're far more progressive and on-the-ball than many Christians I know. Biologos seems much more reasonable than most of the god+science movements I've seen. :)
TheSamuraiGoomba 4 days ago
@TheSamuraiGoomba Well, thank-you. You never once ridiculed me or made the issue personal, which happens WAY too much. Take care.
harrisonlw 4 days ago
@harrisonlw You're very welcome, and the same holds true for you. Best of luck!
TheSamuraiGoomba 4 days ago
"The second law of thermodynamics, states that the total entropy of any isolated thermodynamic system tends to increase over time, approaching a maximum value. Unlike almost all other laws of physics, this associates thermodynamics with a definite arrow of time. However, for a universe of infinite size, which cannot be regarded as an isolated system, the second law does not apply."
Apparently there is an oscillating universe theory about how entropy could be explained.
TheSamuraiGoomba 4 days ago
@TheSamuraiGoomba Are you being sarcastic about the oscillating universe theory or genuine? I actually cannot tell. In response to the second law, I would love to see a source. An infinite universe?
harrisonlw 4 days ago
@harrisonlw Well, there is a theory, but I cannot tell you how accurate it is.
sciforums is my source, in the Cosmology section.
I'm not a scientist in this field, so I was just browsing some discussions in the Cosmology section. I'm atheistic to Christian religion, but more agnostic towards this kind of specified "kick-starter" deism. I don't find the arguments convincing, but I won't argue that it couldn't happen.
TheSamuraiGoomba 4 days ago
@harrisonlw Every xtian has their own definition for what a real xtian is. I certainly don't mis represent the bible, nor the many that take it as the word of god.
elgar104 4 days ago
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tigersforchrist 5 days ago
@harrisonlw I am confident that the continued lack of any evidence (despite much searching), combined with a very great deal of evidence that explains or existence, is sufficient to make the likelihood of a god close to zero.
elgar104 5 days ago
@harrisonlw Atheists do not rely on blind belief. Wil rely on evidence. Where none is yet forthcoming to convincingly support an explanation, we could be said to be patiently "waiting for one".
elgar104 5 days ago
As for the "Christian eyes" and "Atheist eyes" nonsense, take it from this ex-Christian that this claim is untrue. No Christian can view their religion without blind belief (at some point it becomes necessary for them to fall back on), so they could not really view with atheist eyes. Further, few American christians can view the evidence for evolution with "atheist eyes," and there is loads of it!
One could argue that overuse of "christian eyes" in science classrooms is the US' big problem.
TheSamuraiGoomba 6 days ago
@TheSamuraiGoomba And what point would that be? The atheist would find it difficult, at best, to not rely on blind belief at some point as well. For example, what caused the Big Bang? The atheist's 'suggestion' that no God or gods exist is completely unfounded and cannot be proved by science. I do not live in the US (but have heard that Christianity is embedded in many aspects of education) so I cannot discuss that point.
harrisonlw 6 days ago
@harrisonlw This is the God of the Gaps idea (force God into whatever gaps in scientific knowledge remain). We don't really know what caused the Big Bang, but there are many scientific theories. And "God did it" doesn't at all explain how the big bang happened (it wasn't really big or a bang anyway), because then you have to explain God. If God doesn't have to have a cause, then why does the Big Bang have to? God gets special permission 'cause the Bible says so?
TheSamuraiGoomba 5 days ago
@TheSamuraiGoomba Nothing cannot produce something. The universe cannot be eternal, it is scientifically and philosophically impossible. What about fine-tuning and moral law? These are not God-of-the-gaps arguments, fine-tuning uses science as its basis to come to its findings, not divine action.
harrisonlw 5 days ago
@harrisonlw Evolution does not teach that nothing produced something, evolution teaches that something produces something. Creation teaches nothing-> something.
Fine-tuning is a terrible argument, there are so many examples of bad "design" which makes sense in light of evolutionary theory, but not if a God designed everything. Sickle Cell anyone? How about tail bones? The prostate?
Starting with a conclusion and then looking for evidence is unscientific. Creationism is not science.
TheSamuraiGoomba 4 days ago
@TheSamuraiGoomba Actually, creationism teaches that God created the universe. If He is eternal then something -> something. I did not say 'nothing cannot produce something' in relation to evolution, it was in relation to the origins of the universe. Science and theism can be compatible, there are many Christian evolutionists. Again, I never said that creationism was science, you said that. I know the objections to fine-tuning, but the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of there being a creator.
harrisonlw 4 days ago
@harrisonlw What created God? How can the universe need a beginning, but not God? "The bible told me so?" Absurd. Creationism offers no answer to this question, this is where it becomes religious dogma. How can you suggest as an answer to complexity a being more complex than its creation?
"The odds are overwhelmingly in favor of their being a creator?" Source, please. And even if you are right and there is a creator, that's Deism. That in no way proves or could prove Christianity.
TheSamuraiGoomba 4 days ago
@TheSamuraiGoomba biologos.org/questions/fine-tuning
There was an error so I could not quote an example, but the article is one of many that I have read/sourced and you will find examples there. My aim is not to prove Christianity to you. Proving a deistic god would only be half the effort for a Christian in proving that their God is the true god, you are right. However, many Christians have experienced God personally, and many historical scholars testify to Jesus' existence.
harrisonlw 4 days ago
@harrisonlw That's why Christianity is a belief that I feel is of the same weight as any unsupported belief. Jesus existing or not proves nothing about whether he was divine, that's the faith part. I don't care what people believe on faith, as long as it doesn't affect my freedom to live my life. I want both of us to be free to believe what we want.
I do think physical evidence > faith, where the evidence exists. The creationist movements seem quite dismissive of science in general.
TheSamuraiGoomba 4 days ago
@TheSamuraiGoomba I guess some creationists are dismissive of science, but that doesn't mean that every creationist is dismissive of science. There are many who believe in the compatibility of science and religion. It is very important to remain open-minded, which is how I came to my own conclusions.
harrisonlw 4 days ago
Atheists claim to believe in science and then condemn believers for not believing in science when that is not true. Atheists generally cannot view the evidence through Christian 'eyes', whereas Christians (in my experience at least) can/do view the evidence through atheist 'eyes'. How can atheists claim there is no God when their presuppositions make it impossible for a God to exist? Atheists will then counter that Christians enforce their views upon them, but that is a straw-man argument.
harrisonlw 6 days ago
@harrisonlw Christianity does enforce its views upon others. Read a history book. This is not a strawman argument, the odds are that whatever sect of Christianity you come from, at some point the inspiration of your religion oppressed or taught that it was right to oppress another human being because of what was in an old book.
Atheism has no creed. It cannot by definition impose any belief, except the suggestion that god and gods do not exist.
TheSamuraiGoomba 6 days ago
@TheSamuraiGoomba Does that mean that every Christian in the history of the world has enforced its views upon others? I accept people's opinions and beliefs and do not force them to believe in anything they do not want to believe, thus your first statement loses validity. Did I ever use the word 'belief'? I said 'presuppositions'. Atheists still 'suggest' (as you say) that no God or gods exist and are VERY steadfast in their views.
harrisonlw 6 days ago
@harrisonlw A statement doesn't lose validity because you personally don't enforce your beliefs on others. If it did, your point about dogmatic atheists would be invalid for the same reason (I could use the exact same defense).
I don't understand everything about science or evolutionary science, but there have to be people who exist that really DO understand it, and there are. Christianity doesn't have anyone who claims to perfectly understand their God or his texts.
TheSamuraiGoomba 5 days ago
@TheSamuraiGoomba Well it does, because not every Christian enforces their beliefs onto other people. You are correct that you could use the exact same defense, but the majority of users commenting here are atheists, and many of them are ridiculing theists.
harrisonlw 5 days ago
@harrisonlw Its true many xtians live modest quiet lives and dont force their notions on others (except their children of course). But things were not always thus. A few moderates now do not make up for 2000 yrs of putting non-believers to death, or using religious differences as an excuse for enmity, subjugation and war.
elgar104 5 days ago
@elgar104 You are misrepresenting the 'few moderates' that are practicing Christians. You should beware of judging the Christians who aren't real Christians and then criticize the whole of Christianity for endorsing their actions and beliefs. That is untrue.
harrisonlw 5 days ago
@harrisonlw Every Christian believes only their sect is correct. This makes debates about Christianity pointless, because even if we decide on a set of rules the two of us can live with, Christian #2 will say you are totally wrong and all my points about christians are invalid because *you* are not a real Christian either.
Oh, and who says the universe cannot be eternal? I just checked a science forum and the only people saying that were creationists.
TheSamuraiGoomba 4 days ago
@TheSamuraiGoomba The universe had no beginning? Therefore it is infinitely old? This violates the second law of thermodynamics, not to mention it is philosophically impossible. Entropy would be total, which would've happened long ago, thus nothing would happen. There must have been a first cause because the universe BEGAN to exist, which is an effect in itself. The cause must be self-existing, as it cannot be caused. Oh, so you ONLY listen to atheists when considering scientific theories now?
harrisonlw 4 days ago
Christianity is an evil religion because it can not exist without imposing its beleifs on the rest of the world.For the last 2000 years it has crushed people, nations, plundered civilizations, burnt dissidents,etc. How more evil can you get? Building hospitals and charities can not erase all the havoc it has created. Specially cruel among original cultures, it was the annihilating force in the destruction of precolumbian societies in America, millions of lives were obliterated in its expansion.
otirudam 6 days ago
Well life goes on no matter what he says and God is still here no matter what he says
4everpraisethelord 1 week ago
@4everpraisethelord Doesnt it worry you that God looked on with indifference for over 100 thousand years - before intervening? Or that there have been plenty people with no contact with your religion that have independently evolved similar or more sophisticated moral codes?
Religion is a way of controlling ignorant people. It doesnt make you bad to accept this - just free. How much better to be nice to one another - regardless of fear or promise of reward.
elgar104 1 week ago
@elgar104 There is a difference b/n God and religion. Ppl use their religion to kill and do all the evil things but God does not approve of it. If you look at other men who have failed it is wrong. look at God the creator of heaven and earth have faith in God. Religion is man made only God is not man made.Well i believe with out my faith in God i will be worth nothing and nothing will ever buy me the peace of mind i have from God.May the true God bless you and guide you
4everpraisethelord 6 days ago
This is nothing but human wisdom, we Christians use Gods wisdom.
zerubabel3 1 week ago
Saying there is zero proof of a living God is problematic. Empirical knowledge that which in science is governed by the senses has of late been open to criticism by scientists themselves. You have to define proof, if it is empirical proof then you have to ask if seeing is really believing. The human brain and it's sensory organs are perhaps Ill equipped to perceive God.
maneatslion 1 week ago
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@maneatslion "The human brain and it's sensory organs are perhaps Ill equipped to perceive God."
The rational person does not accept as true that which is unattainable through the perceptions.
If on one hand, you say that God is imperceptible-- then on the other hand say that god 'exists', it begs the obvious question:
How does one determine that a God exists if it cannot be perceived or detected? More importantly, why should I accept what cannot be demonstrated?
NimbleWitz 1 week ago
@maneatslion "Saying there is zero proof of a living God is problematic"
No more so than saying there is zero proof of an invisible pink rabbit.
elgar104 1 week ago
Hitchens makes some interesting points here some of which I have had trouble with as a recovering orthodox Christian. The argument although is unbalanced focusing primarily on the negative aspects of Christianity. Christ taught to love thy neighbour, to forgive, to help and to heal the sick there are some parallels with Buddhism. I have more of a problem with doctrine as opposed to the teachings of enlightened beings.
maneatslion 1 week ago
@maneatslion You are so close to working it out. One last push! If Christ existed - then some of his philosophy isn't too bad (lets overlook the slavery thing). But it was hardly original then and certainly no proof of divinity. Treat others as you would wish to be treated yourself is not a chrisitan doctrine. Too right there are parallels with Buddhism, and with much else besides. So where's all this common ground coming from?!
elgar104 1 week ago
LOL there is an add for learning biblical Hebrew online next to this video :DDDDDD
supermonkeywtf09 2 weeks ago
Cutting rhetoric and logic: quite frankly, just brilliant.
Skulldaman 2 weeks ago
Religion is nothing but bribery and blackmail.
spiritualeggnog 2 weeks ago
@AlbinoAJ Excuse me,sir. Can you give me ONE reason why The Bible is false? Thanks.
RaNdOmViDeOs6399 2 weeks ago
@RaNdOmViDeOs6399 The burden of proof is on the side making the claim. There is zero proof for a living god. If you have proof call your local news station because you are about to win the Nobel Prize.
PicklesReallySuck 1 week ago
@RaNdOmViDeOs6399 Can you prove leprechauns do not and have no existed outside of our realm? That must mean they are definitely real. So is anything else you can make up.
PicklesReallySuck 1 week ago
@RaNdOmViDeOs6399 One reason? Gosh, how to choose....Lets go with the claim that the world is 6000yrs old, when the evidence from multiple scientific disciplines concludes the age to be between 4 and 5 billion years. Given that God supposedly made man with the intelligence to work this out at some point - why leave in such a glaring gaff, that will later undermine your credibility?
elgar104 1 week ago
@RaNdOmViDeOs6399 Well some people who are not satisfied with them selves nothing will satisfy them even id God showed himself up they will never believe it. May God guide all of us and keep us on the right side.
4everpraisethelord 6 days ago
@barttolome771 as a philippino atheist, this makes me feel ashamed. Your arrogance and bigotry truly disgust me. Saying that everyone needs god because without him, then we'll be miserable and depressed is arrogant and simply stupid. How come Sweden, one of the most atheist countries, is one of the most happiest countries in the world? You can be good and happy without Jesus and god. If there was absolutely no heaven/hell, would you still love god so very much? That instinct to hold on to a hop
AlbinoAJ 2 weeks ago
*sigh* there's always a gigantic group of retards that got suckered into a pyramid scheme and they may take a loss in money, they don't lose it all. There are also a bunch of people that have imaginary friends. most have to see a psychiatrist. There are also people that believe everything they read in books. Even a further step, there are people that also stand on the corner yelling crazy things :usually bums:. But once they say "I'm christian" all their delusions gain validity?
x420xColtonx420x 2 weeks ago
You don't have to be religious to live by Jesus's teachings.
AndrosForever 2 weeks ago
@AndrosForever ...I think you meant to say ' selective teachings'.....There is much bad with the good when it comes to the carpenters take on things...
elgar104 1 week ago
Do not feed the trolls, do not feed the trolls, do not feed the trolls, do not feed the trolls, do not feed the trolls, do not feed the trolls, do not feed the trolls, do not feed the trolls, do not feed the trolls, do not feed the trolls, do not feed the trolls, do not feed the trolls, do not feed the trolls, do not feed the trolls, do not feed the trolls, do not feed the trolls, do not feed the trolls.
That's just how they t'roll....
Jbear9 3 weeks ago
if u will not accept JESUS as the son of GOD and all his teachings and his miraculous works it your life seems to be uncertain, miserable and no direction JESUS is the light of the world who ever comes to him will not walked through the darkness....All the mystery in life will be solve and and have solutions and peace will follow, don't worry mr. Hitchens time wl come that you will accept JESUS. Here in our country the Philippines, we couldn't see an atheist like you
barttolome771 3 weeks ago
@barttolome771 "Here in the Philippines, we couldn't see an atheist like you". Then you are both deaf and blind to rational thought and I am sorry for you.
We will eventually have explanations for "All the mystery in life" and no doubt you will continue to stick your head in your religious comfort blanket and your fingers in your ears.
This rubbish you type convinces no-one. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - not font capitalisation.
elgar104 1 week ago
Have u not heard or witnessed the miracles did by our LORD JESUS? and f u wont believe of what was JESUS did then just watch FR. Fernando Suarez's healing crusade and u wl witness the works of our LORD JESUS....many crippled man walked, many blind man had seen, and even dead people in CANADA GOD has restored it through fr. Fernando Suarez. Please read the BIBLE and u wl explore many wonderful things which your life has not yet encountered
barttolome771 3 weeks ago
@barttolome771 If the miracles were proven (ancient or modern) then everyone on the planet would instantly convert. Doesnt the fact that they havent tell you something fundamental about the evidence for them?
You explain to me why there isnt a single example of a miracle cure for an amputee - and I'll help you write your placards. Thats a promise.
elgar104 1 week ago
@elgar104 Well you breezing in and out is a miracle. What more miracle do you want? Pray to the everlasting God and he will give you miracle. God bless you
4everpraisethelord 1 week ago
@4everpraisethelord My existence is not a miracle. It is chance. I dont take as much joy in my good fortune to be alive as I should - but I will learn to.
It is both convenient and contradictory to think God occasionally suspends the laws of physics and nature in someones favour. Immoral and capricious too - given that the same god chooses not to intercede on behalf of thousands of children who die each day thru no fault of their own.
elgar104 1 week ago
A simple example is this; here in our country f u see a mango tree whether it is ripe or not when people passed by specially the children they will stoned it until it fells down.
Christianity is like a ripe mango-many people will stoned it because JESUS is there, the BIBLE said f any body won't believe JESUS and f his crucifixion is foolish to them then that man is already punished like hitchens...
barttolome771 3 weeks ago
@barttolome771 People who quote the bible have (a) seldom read it thoroughly and (b) never research how and when it was put together.
We have film and photographic record + personal testimony from those there, of an assination not 50 yrs ago in dallas, and yet conspiracy theories abound. Do you think it credible to peg your very existence to a story written down 2k yrs ago, well over a hundred years later of the events, told to the writer by third hand witnesses? Seriously?
elgar104 1 week ago
@elgar104 You believe you have a brain but you never felt it. seen it.never touched it but you believe you have it how can you believe in something you never seen?
4everpraisethelord 1 week ago
@4everpraisethelord You make no sense. Are you saying that my belief in possession of a brain is the same leap you make to believe in god? Golly golly gumdrops, how do you manage to get dressed each morning?
While it is true that Ive never touched my own brain, Ive touched a preserved brain and seen film of brain operations and Ive the testimony of every doctor on the planet.There comes a point, when so much evidence becomes better than seeing it with my own eyes.
elgar104 1 week ago
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Perversions reflect character. Media-darling Christ' Hitchens, who documented his anal-sadistic practices with men in print, was likely a key member of the Geo. H.W. Bush (& family) pederasty ring. Are not men judged by the company they keep?
SufferInJuly 3 weeks ago
LMAO.....and where is this fossil record of a hundred thousand years of homo-sapien existence. where are the transitionary fossils for these species of evolving beings??? ill wait another 60 million years
JackTheSwaggerton 3 weeks ago
@JackTheSwaggerton Given the following sequence - at what point would you admit the two unknowns are 4 and 9...?
1,2,3 ? 5,6,7,8 ?,10,11
The fossil record exists. Google it.
elgar104 1 week ago
Living in a city, I have seen and work with more corrupted christian than what would assumed kind / loving christian.
Collective mutual in-your-face bribery & bullying, in business and in real life. All these are forgiven if they "believe". Either I am seeing lots and lots of "fake christian" that are actually going to hell, or this religion simply failed.
And for the later case, if I have to join these horrible people to have a chance, I will resist, god be damned.
garytcw 3 weeks ago
We are justified by faith and not by our actions.
The law of God serves to show us how we fall short of What God wants for our life. If it wern't for the law, we would have no knowledge of our sinfullness and our shortcomings.
2 Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
ThirdChildsHood 3 weeks ago
The Christians in the comment section sound like complete brainwashed surfs.
What hitch says is true, your religion is wicked and consists of bullshit stories that never even occurred.
The only reason you idiots follow it is because you were indoctrinated by your parents....
sparkymmilarky 4 weeks ago
6billion people just got hitch slapped
sparkymmilarky 4 weeks ago
Sometimes I wonder what the aim is with people like Christopher Hitchens. Is the egocentric academic really just trying to activate his intellect, show a web of "intelligent" argument which lacks any attempt to do good. By their fruits you shall know them says the Biblical scolar - so what fruits has this man done - dead fruits I suspect. Jesus is the way.
raymcvey 4 weeks ago
The aim of people like Christopher Hitchens is to educate people that have rejected reality to conform to the safety net of religion. Perhaps you don't agree that it has done any good, but you don't have to. To each ones own.
electricsoupx 3 weeks ago
@raymcvey Hitch looks out for the long term health of the species. He argues good done under threat or promise of reward is no good at all. His writings r a profound and lasting fruit.
elgar104 1 week ago
Christianity: democracy. free speech. charity. equality. discernment. freedom of science. free choice. freedom of worship. Morality. Love of truth. Sobriety. Clear objective thinking. Conscience.
Illuminati: capitalism. death to the truth-speakers. financial debt enslavement. Survival of the fittest. destruction of the family. immorality. psychological depravity. formal indoctrination with no allowance to question political-correctness. violence. drugs. mass brainwash. love of lies... Idk
saintstrawman 4 weeks ago
@saintstrawman I fail to see how your comment was relevant at all - you've taken most of the words and phrases highly out of context.What's more, labelling Christianity as containing 'equality' and 'free choice' is ludicrous. How could it, when countless homosexuals are unable to marry and have access to common rights? How could it, when Christianity's policies on contraception have led to millions of deaths in Africa, due to strong believing Christians with aids?
Educate yourself.
electricsoupx 3 weeks ago
@electricsoupx Because true Christianity takes no final authority on a secular govt. Jesus said: "render to Caesar that which is Caesar's and to God the things of God." It says nothing about homosexuals not being able to join by the state, but it's just not marriage by definition. And if "Christians" want to ignore God's command to preserve life, it's their own fault, not God's. Atheism on the other hand...
Take your own advice: educate yourself.
saintstrawman 3 weeks ago
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Adam and Eve chose not to obey God, showing that their desire was to sin. So how can mankind blame God? If it is your desire to have peace, turn to the Lord Jesus Christ today. "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest." Matt. 11:28
KingdomSeeker2012 4 weeks ago
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polterguy2 1 month ago
I reckon people would leave religion alone the moment it stopped leaving us alone and telling we are going to burn in hell unless we convert, let alone indoctrinating and brain washing kids into their parents religion the moment they are born
JoshLulz 1 month ago
@fred10538
I don't wish to quarrel. But if you do this you will be remorseful for eternity when you die.
19Cadence 1 month ago
@19Cadence Ah yes, the common threat. "If you don't think the way I do, you're going to regret it." Making the grand assumption that whatever god you believe in must be the correct one, and billions of others throughout history were absolutely wrong and are now being tortured forever. You not only threaten it, you wish for it. Sadistic.
halonone 1 month ago
@PHOSPH3R
No it isn't, and not all of us christians are perfect and walk around with smiles on our face all the time, sure I'm not the best Christian I could be, but it gets annoying when no matter how many times you try to argue a point, you get another ignorant atheist just criticizing what you say. but thank you for reminding me of my manners, how sweet
Shwayzebananas 1 month ago
@fred10538 I never said I was a christian! I am just interested in religion.
ParagramTree 1 month ago
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ParagramTree 1 month ago
@fred10538 A good way of looking at it is God saying this is how much you should have been punished when he dies on the cross but I will take this punishment to show how much I care about you. It is all symbolic.
ParagramTree 1 month ago
Religion: Silliness at best, insanity at worst
dkthg 1 month ago
@fred10538
Hi. Erm, God created Man actually because of His own Glory that He deserved. Adam then sinned under the temptation of Satan. God, angry but forgiving, came out with a plan. Because of His Holiness, the only way Man could escape Hell was through a pure sacrifice, without sin. Jesus Christ. He died for us so that our sins could be paid for. Those who reject Christ would not receie His Grace and will go to Hell, forever. Everyone is doomed to Hell because of Sin. And Jesus Christ is the
19Cadence 1 month ago
If it were true, there would be no need for interpretation.
fknburnz 1 month ago
Christianity does not make much sense without some interpretation I think. What if Christ's death on the cross for everyones' sins was symbolic? God becomes a man Jesus to suffer and die as a symbolic gesture to pay for peoples sins to show how much he loves humans even though they are often very wicked. He then forgives all sinners who accept his symbolic gesture. Looking at it that way makes much more sense I think. Rather like someone who offers to pay a fine for you.
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HinduismIsHeretical 1 month ago
You simpleton, numb nutted crass dummy Christian is that the very best you can do? Threaten us with hell? Where is hell? What's the address? If you are going to threaten us with hell...at least you should know where it is...but you don't. What's it like to lie to human beings and children and if you don't love Jesus/god you will suffer in hell for all eternity? You are a bunch of Fking psychopaths and Liars and everyone knows it...that is why Atheism is growing because you are LIARS.
weismonger 1 month ago
Alright, all you dumbass atheists can believe whatever the hell you want, wait til your deathbed then we'll see how you feel about God and if he's real or not.
because the founder of the satanic church cried out for God's mercy on his deathbed. So good luck to you ignorant fucks
Shwayzebananas 1 month ago
@Shwayzebananas Not exactly the "Christian way" of arguing is it? You have marked yourself as insolent or pompous at best.
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shizzleman8 1 month ago
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@PHOSPH3R Hitchens PREMISE & CONCLUSION that Jesus sacrifice is a blanket acquittal for all of man's sins is an inconceivably ignorant idea. All Jesus ever taught was us forgiving each other. Don't even THINK about leaving your gift on MY ALTAR when there's ANYBODY out there who even has the SLIGHTEST aggravation against you. FIRST go and be reconciled. Your position is totally without defense and all you're giving is offense along with this character. Understand why he's dead? READ the Bible!
shizzleman8 1 month ago
@eulerkaku
your'e right, being an ignorant "realist" like yourself is much better, congrats, you are dumb as fuck
Shwayzebananas 1 month ago
@otaku3d
How did he save mankind? even IF God doesn't exist, proving he doesn't exist or attempting to do so, doesn't save anyone
Shwayzebananas 1 month ago
@Shwayzebananas Saves us from wasting our time. He helped me realize how stupid it was for me to have been a christian
eulerkaku 1 month ago
@Shwayzebananas Saves us from wasting our time focusing on fighting rather than on technological and social advancement and the bonds between human beings.
foryoublue94 1 month ago
Well yes, informing people how stupid and incredibly fucked up christianity (and any other religion) is. That can save a lot of time for people. Didn't you know belief affect our actions? Sounds like you're another dumb as fuck christian.
JackeShanTwo 1 month ago
Hitchens died to save mankind
otaku3d 1 month ago
Hitch FTW!
muffinman514 1 month ago
RIP good sir I raise my glass to you
inquiry10 1 month ago
Great speech Chris, but too bad people just dont understand.
Mirrodin82 2 months ago
@Mirrodin82
Just what you need, someone to tell you God
is wrong and you are right, no wonder he
made millions, you would give anything to hear
that lie, and you have an eternity of that coming.
theetrue 1 month ago
@theetrue
He made millions on lies? Really? I think your confusing him with Pat Robinson, Peter Popoff, etc.
Religion has cornered the market on lies and deceit.
Instead of attacking the character of Hitchens, why don't you point out one of his lies. Just one. Can you name any? I'd love to hear this one...
muffinman514 1 month ago
@theetrue We don't really need him to tell us that. It's just nice to hear another person voice the views we already have. Besides, that sentiment can go both ways: Many Christians need the keep hearing the word of God / the Bible to be assured that "God is right, all other religions are wrong"... so that's not really a high ground to stand on...
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JesusChristDaily 2 months ago
Its great that Christopher Hitchens is borrowing the Christians view of morality to show them that they are immoral.... Facepalm
MRQU1K1E 2 months ago
@MRQU1K1E
that view of morality is normal human morality.
christians belive that there is a compleatly unprovable "thing" that created the world from a book full of unoriginal story's barrowed from belifes that predate christianity, and tell us not to think for ourselfs "rely not in ones own understanding but trust in the lord" basicaly teling you to be stupid so you can be controlled more easy .....boot throat.
MrStranger998 2 months ago
@MRQU1K1E You fail.
DYoshe 1 month ago
Not only is the idea of compulsory love immoral but also (in the context of the Christian god) IMPOSSIBLE. The human animal requires visual and tactile stimuli in order to develop a bond with or "love" someone or something. A human being cannot possible love something it cannot see or touch. The Christian claim of being able to "love" their god is one of the more absurd and illogical of the belief system's claims. Christians don't love their god, they fear his wrath and the concept of hell.
LoganFiive 2 months ago
God did it himself, not any one else.
animaljp3 2 months ago
HARE KRISHNA
krishnaisgod1 2 months ago
If you believe Jesus to be God in context of the holy trinity, then he would have had the power to free himself from execution making his death a sacrifice to forgive our wrong doing, in turn making it ethical. He compared Jesus to a goat being punished by others for others...this argument doesn't work as it is only addressed from the view of a Christian or an Atheist
MrGhorot 2 months ago
Hey guys I'm trying to get a book started named Letters to Hitchins. I'm hoping to compile letters from people all around the world. Please email anything you would like to say to letterstohitchens@gmail.com
kermykermitt1112 2 months ago
As someone else put it so well, the silence without Hitchens is deafening. I will miss him immeasurably.
chordstruck 2 months ago 22
@chordstruck Dawkins was given a LONG time to prepare to debate Craig, I think you're misplacing his silence and absence for Chris earning his reward. Hawking can't speak for himself. All you really got is Sam Harris promoting Thomastic Good (God)?
Causal closure is the linchpin of naturalists and it's an abject failure. You've got an argument for morality based on human free will that includes Divine pre-destination. hmm?
shizzleman8 1 month ago
I will forever miss your voice Hitch.
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The guy that bood is going to heaven because he loves god
Hahahahahhahaha
Kneleist 2 months ago
RIP Hitchens. The world is a better place for you having been here.
madhugreenleaf 2 months ago
Rest in peace Hitch.
uneducatedboy 2 months ago
He pretty much bitchslapped every fucking religion on this planet.
R.I.P Hitchens.
SkullJoke90 2 months ago 12
RIP you are a legend and have helped start the epic downfall of the evils of religion, thank you
Nesiun 2 months ago
@scoopmaster23 you accidentally a word
9666Fezza 2 months ago
Did anyone hear the asshole that boo'd at the end?
daymare10110 2 months ago
@daymare10110 i heard that too what an asshole
emptybookreader 2 months ago
@daymare10110
Yeah Bro, I heard that piece of shit too!
The guy would have to be a blithering idiot to boo such an incredible man as Mr. Hitchings, then to not show respect for such a brilliant and truthful commentary!
The guy who boo'd, had to have been a Fundie who can't think for himself anyway, plus, he likely couldn't fathom a word of what was said.
IMO, Chris H. had a perfect understanding of the mentality behind such insane writings, which could only come from men, not any ghost-gods!
Cootabux 2 months ago
Cheers Hitch
DrPercivalCox1 2 months ago
To Hitchens the Johnny Walker Black of atheist accept no substitute
pollracker 2 months ago
Every time I listen to him or read his work I feel literally bathed in sanity, rationality.
EllyMcCormack 2 months ago 2
You will be missed Christopher Hitchens. RIP.
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RethinkingAmerica 2 months ago
As we review the NT, slavery language is one part of the bigger picture. Christ's ultimate goal isnt to oppress and destroy but to give life, redeem and to release. Paul doesn't abolish slavery(not as we understand it today), rather he makes it ultimately irrelavant. All the structures that separate Jew and Greek, male and female, slave and free, were radically overturned by the sharing of a common meal together to celebrate the Lord's death.
Truenorthman100 2 months ago
@Truenorthman100 So the creator of the know universe thinks:
25:11 When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:
25:12 Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.
How a thinking person could think this is the mind of a god is beyond me.
csadler 2 months ago
@csadler When translations are done and they appear contrary to the overall theme, context you may want to refer to the Greek/Hebrew. When I ask someone about what do you think about :an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth" they normally think this as barbaric. What they misunderstand in those times it was a "limitation" and act of mercy. The "law" was temporary and not perfect but it paved the way for perfection. So when you read "cut off the hand" something is wrong .......
Truenorthman100 2 months ago
@csadler When you go to the orginal language you have an "uh ha" moment. A more palausible understanding. Humiliation for humiliation. The word "kaph" commonly translated to palm, concave hip socket, or pelvic area. The "qal" verb is the milder verb vs "piel" (cut-off) "Qal" softer term means clip/cut/shave. Shaving pubic hair was a humiliating punishment practised in Babylon and Sumer,
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atheism is not a religion. its a theory just as christianity is. allthough mass human intelligence has debunked christianity. christians still preach it even though most dont even believe in it. heres the facts. not one human being knows what happens when we die, or why were here or if there is a god. if we knew u think there would be atheist. its all false and an insult to human intelligence.
rob1pr30 2 months ago
lolllll 9:17 "...what the first.. few tens of thousands of years.. WERE LIKE!!!! ."
4C4rly4 2 months ago
I wish I could express myself as well as this man can! Well said Christopher, this presentation is awesome!
ianww8 2 months ago
the guy has some points right while others very wrong..he is giving humans way more credit..dude humans without rules , laws and morals taught by some commendments of various religions, will and have and will continue to do terrible things like murder, rape etc..dont believe me? look at africa! so get ur facts right|
dgenxali 2 months ago
@dgenxali He's not promoting anarchy, as you can see by his attitude of the first (circa) 100,000 years of human existence. Humans do indeed deserve the credit for making rules for organized society, but they deserve credit for both the good and bad parts of it throughout history.
Visda58 2 months ago
I wanted to give him a standing ovation from my house :-P
CSTheApostate 3 months ago
How much did the devil pay you to sell your soul? How much money is worth burning forever? You are immoral say Jesus is Lord.
Gowardh 3 months ago
@Gowardh So you now talk for jesus? nice.
Wolfot2008 3 months ago
@Gowardh There is no such thing as the devil. Your god is imaginary and serves just for wish thinking on your part. Please read your bible and see the evil, the absolute beast of a god that is described in those pages.
csadler 2 months ago
@csadler, but you cannot prove that he doesn't exist. As we christians will never have "proof" to satisfy most athiests. Besides...let's just for argument's sake, say that God is real. If according to our beliefs, he is the creator of all things. Doesn't that give him the right to do with us as he wishes. Our human morals, and God's morals are nothing alike. I could build a paddle for a canoe that is so decorative and ornate, people would pay thousands of dollars for. But I go and throw it into
1Morey 2 months ago
@csadler a bonfire and watch it burn to ashes. You might say I am stupid for wasting hard work, and money. But hey, I made it, I can do what I want with it. Of course this doesn't mean we should beat children and do what we want with them. But children are in the same league as adults so they get certain rights. But us humans have no right to say that God is a "beast". He created us, what right do we have to say what is right and wrong for God to do. His sense of right and wrong overrules ours.
1Morey 2 months ago
@1Morey If God exists, you would be right, he would be a terrible being from our perspective. Just because you have no right to judge him doesn't mean you can't. Having a higher authority is no excuse for not analyzing that higher power's morals against your own. If you don't do that, then that probably means you're also not doing the thinking to determine whether or not he's actually real.
Visda58 2 months ago
@1Morey Which god do you mean? There have been so many created by humans. Look, your god is imaginary - that is very clear. The descriptions of what he does in the OT are, evil. He is a beast. Good thing its fiction. The god of the OT approves of slavery, murder, killing baby boys and enslaving their virgin sisters. If you read the bible and study it like I have you will come to the same conclusion. That *version* of god is a wicked beast.
csadler 2 months ago
@csadler You are aware of slavery back in those times vs slavery today and slavery over the last several hundred years? Just checking...because of how you lumped several things together. Some people are ignorant to what slavery was than and now.
Truenorthman100 2 months ago
@Truenorthman100 I go by what the bible says. Buy, Sell, beat just don't kill, force female captives to be your wife. The god of the bible seems to approve of humans *owning* humans. If it had *any* morality at all it there would be a commandment - thou shall not keep other humans as slaves. But know. It seems quite happy with the concept and lays out the rules for it.
csadler 2 months ago
@csadler For various circumstances debt came to individuals and families. A man could volunteerly "sell" himself" or family to work in the household of another. They were than a debt-servant until released after 6 years, Their land would have be mortgaged until the Year of Jubilee (50 years). This servanthood was NOT imposed by an outsider as it was by plantation owners and slave traders. Once a servant was released he was free to pursue his own livelihood once again.
Truenorthman100 2 months ago
@Truenorthman100 You should actually *read* your bible. Note the Buy and Sell. Also, you did not seem to mention the bit about leaving your wife and kids behind. How nice of god eh? Further Deut 21: 21:11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
Again how nice. And if you go further in Ex 21, you get to the rules on beating your slaves. Summary: You can beat, just don't kill.
Its sick (the bible) that is.
csadler 2 months ago
@Truenorthman100 Oh, if you decide to stay (because you love your wife and kids).
21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.
Its sick.
csadler 2 months ago
@csadler Before coming up with all sorts of modern Western solutions to solve these ancient Near Eastyern problems, we should make every effort to better grasp the nature of the Isrealite servitude (which many fail to grasp at all in these blogs) and the social and economic circumstances surropunding it. Israel's laws provided safety nets for protection, not oppression unlike future slavery. Being a slave to many of culture;s additions is much worse.
Truenorthman100 2 months ago