Libertarian Parenting Part 3 - Professor David Friedman on Unschooling

[LuciusSuperbus]

the whole Friedman family are such nerds. Cool though

[MutantBamHammer]

hmmm....the quality of the sound kinda falls apart after 32 minutes :(

[TimothyADonaghue]

Stefan, why do you keep looking off to the side? Nobody's breaking into your house.

[reapfreak]

Damn. I wish this guy was my dad.

[alarlol]

VERY bad quality at the end...

[anthonyling86]

Sound starts to go bad around 36:00 over here!

[BugsMr123]

Where did self-organized behavior go to?

My childhood was characterized by 6 hours of hard study, 10 months a year, learning such archaic things as math and spelling, and most of the rest of the time outside, with other kids, playing self-created games. depending on the season. in the summer, we build forts, engaged in pretend wars, etc in the bush. It winter, it was tabogganing and skating.

We grew up to be a lot more 'can-do' than the effete students of today.

What went wrong?

[Screamer1989]

Stef', I've found your videos just a week or so ago and i was rather busy so couldn't invest a lot of time in, but .. these are great! keep up the awesome job you're doing.

and Mr. Friedman is a pleasure to listen to. I will certainly try to get hold of and read some of his works.

I'm so excited!

[davyjames]

Stef I'm sad to hear this is the last in the series. I hope you keep making occasional episodes because I've found all of these very interesting!

As an aside I was unschooled without ever even realising it was a philosophy. My parents decided not to send me to school because they both had nasty experiences of it. There was never any 'lesson plan', I could stay up as long as I liked, do what I wanted etc. Shoot me a pm if you want to know more about this stuff from a child's perspective.

[sokoboo]

Wow some bad explanations. Kinetic Energy is a function of velocity. Where E =.5 times the mass of the object times velocity (speed of the object) squared.

For expedience assume the two cars are the same mass so we can disregard the firs two terms of the equation.

If we square the velocity of 50mph we get 2500mph squared. If the car is traveling 100mph we get 10,000 mph squared. The energy is 4 times as as great as the car traveling 50 mph not 2 times.

[sokoboo]

@sokoboo The above is the proof Friedman likely used to prove his teachers wrong.

That is not an attempt to describe what happens just why the two scenarios are not equal.

When two objects of the same mass traveling at the same velocity meet they behave as if they hit a fixed object. If they did not we could tap perpetual motion. Consider if you trow a ball at wall at 50 mph and it comes back at 30 and you hit it with another 50mph, the new velocity is not 80. You tube is restricting my space

[RyanDJamieson]

I liked the Friedman vs Reisman debate on h.p.o many years ago. Friedman is a smart man even though we don't agree. I'd love to debate him on anarchism.

[davyjames]

@RyanDJamieson what do you disagree with him on, out of interest?

[bearing01]

Great Interview. Thank you.

[pointatthemoon]

You don't have to be social the way our media portrays it (parties, etc). To be happy, and have good friendships. I actually left college because I found the lack of interest in learning overwhelming. I wish I had been able to tough it out, but maybe I can make another opportunity for myself or find another college.

[atrickpay11]

@TheQuestioner132 ya! David Friedman! What a nice suprise. Their family gets consisently more libertarian (unlike the Pauls). Patri>David>Milton.

[BabyHominid]

I really enjoyed this video. I haven't thought about  Horatius and the bridge in thirty years!

[asdfgasdfasdful]

Great interview.

[MirageScience]

thumbs up for the argument about arguments being more incentivised to learn and World of Warcraft.

[morlandoemtp]

I enjoyed most of the video besides the audio technical difficulties at the end =(. One of the most enjoyments I had as a child was sports and competition, I was wondering if friedman expose his children to sports, or social interaction in the competitive nature.

[endofnight]

@COLDBEARD While I don't know any of his kids personally, I wouldnt say that they have poor social skills. Patri Friedman has founded his own company. Look up seasteading. Also, he has worked for google, and has done many other things. Check out: Patri friedman . com

[t1w2v3]

It struck me in high school that public schools were not merely inefficient ways to educate, but that, for people like me who liked to learn, they generally impeded the learning process. Unfortunately, I neither had the wit nor the will to drop out of high school and educate myself, as soon as it was legal for me. I could have accomplished this, intellectually - I had the books, I had the savvy - but I lacked the cultural back-up, especially the right parents. Better luck to your kids, folks.

[i2aymond]

He is great. Love him. Interview his kids now.

[COLDBEARD]

...well shit man. It's a pretty obvious sign. I'm not bashing them, I agree with mostly everything said in these last 3 libertarian parenting videos. I just think perhaps a few things are off-balance in this child raising process.

[StewartFGriffin]

@COLDBEARD David, who was not unschooled, seems to be as much a WOW playing, book reading, intellectual shut-in as his children. Maybe unschooling is not the cause.

Perhaps they are not even that bad. His son likes to play German style games with his friends. His daughter loves going dancing at the medieval recreation (which I understand to involve groups of people). They are both either at or going to college and it would be presumptuous to assume they have no friends there.

[COLDBEARD]

I hate to stereotype based on limit evidence, but it sounds to me like he raised his kids to be shut-in socially awkward dorks. It's great that they are intensely interested in learning, creating, and expanding their minds, but when the daughter doesn't understand why it's exciting for class to be canceled occasionally.. and gets most of her social interaction through WoW...

[therookie93]

@COLDBEARD I do agree but is it more dangerous to be socially awkward but intellectual or braindead, overconfident, and brash?

[COLDBEARD]

@therookie93 Well, what you've asked me to do is give you the better option between the two extreme ends in this situation. My answer lies in the the middle. I said that there should be more of a balance that include the strong integration of social skills.

Remember, I am going on very limited information here, it could be that his son is the captain of his football team while he also sits in his room making fantasy doll "characters" out of toy connectors and coming up with fantasy card games.

[therookie93]

@COLDBEARD Yes but you're more likely to result in something closer to the two extremes though. It's extremely rare that you see a football team captain who also plays with fantasy doll characters. Don't misunderstand me; I am a strong advocate for moderation but what I meant originally is that I think after looking back on a night, most everyone would rather do something worthwhile and fulfilling as opposed to simplying partying. Again I do think that partying is good in moderation but still...

[COLDBEARD]

I agree that there is a lot to learn from video games / board games and etc. But I really think, based on the way Friedman is describing his kids, that they have poor social skills.

He describes his daughter as shy and explains that playing WoW is effective for her because the computer screen veils the harshness of other people. His son sits in his room and invents board games and playing card games...

[thinkrevolution]

Stefan, you should grow your hair out like this guy. Haha

[juneausucks]

i would like to hear the professors explenation why 2 cars @ 50mph colision is not like 1 car at 100mph into a brick wall. that peaked my curiosity

[stefbot]

@juneausucks I think it's because the brick wall does not have any momentum...

[CurtHowland]

@stefbot Yes, I think that's it.

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e=mv^^2, two cars at v=50 is 2*50^^2=5,000, one car at v=100 is 100^^2=10,000

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However, it doesn't matter, the driver(s) is(are) seriously messed up either way.

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Physics is fun! Richard Feynman deserves a dozen Nobel Prizes.

[SimonKinland]

@stefbot Close - consider the difference between full speed and full stop for the cars in both situations. The difference in the former is 50mph and in the latter 100mph. The math wouldn't even be very extensive...

Great material as always Stefan!

[metstalker]

@stefbot close 1 car,stationary object, energy has nowhere to go but back to the car itself.

2 cars hitting each other, both NON-STATIONARY objects, energy will be equally displaced between cars 1 and 2. 

[sokoboo]

@stefbot one car hitting a brick wall (fixed immovable object) at 40 MPH is the same as two cars of the same mass traveling 40mph in a head on collision.

[rickdoogie]

Mythbusters did the physical tests on this question.

Their You Tube video is titled -

"MythBusters - Mythssion Control: Crash Force part 2 of 2"

[bclarke3]

@stefbot Its because yes there is twice as much force being involved, but it gets distributed amongst twice the mass. A car traveling 50 mph into a wall is the same as a car running into another car traveling 50 mph, because half the force is applied to one car and half on the other.

[oevzA1oL]

@juneausucks

MythBusters did a show on this, worth the watch and obviously there were a few issues but good episode: search "Mythssion Control-Car Crash"

[Shuroro]

@juneausucks Imagine two cars moving towards eachother att 50 mph. When they crash, they decelerate to a full stop. Just like decelerating when crashing into a brick wall at 50 mph. The deceleration is the same, thus the situation is comparable.

Relative to eachother, they are traveling in 100 mph. However, when they have crashed they are still traveling in 50 mph relative to the other car's speed before the crash. Pretty confusing, but this is how it is.

[Shuroro]

@juneausucks Imagine two cars moving towards eachother att 50 mph. When they crash, they decelerate to a full stop. Just like decelerating when crashing into a brick wall at 50 mph. The deceleration is the same, thus the situation is comparable.

Relative to eachother, they are traveling in 100 mph. However, when they have crashed they are still traveling in 50 mph relative to the other car's speed before the crash. Pretty confusing, but this is how it is.

[odigity]

@juneausucks This was actually covered in a recent Mythbusters episode.

[MatjazL1]

@juneausucks The original situation is equivalent to the first car smashing at 100 mph into the other one that would be at rest. Obviously that's different than from hitting a wall that is at rest.

[glenra]

@juneausucks Suppose you're in one of the cars: The pain of the collision involves you having to slow down instantaneously from 50mph to 0 mph. You have that same subjective experience - the exact same sudden deceleration - whether your car stops dead from hitting another car exactly head-on or from hitting a brick wall at the same speed. If it helps, imagine the brick wall has a mirror on it so as you hit the wall it *looks* like you're hitting another car.

[zaxec]

@juneausucks Kinetic energy is (1/2) * (mass) * (velocity squared)

Assuming a 2 ton car, the total energy of the head-on collision of two cars going 50 mph would be 906.5 kilojoules.

The energy of the same size car going 100 mph and then hitting a brick wall would be 1,813 kilojoules -- about twice as much energy.

The reason for this is that squaring velocity makes higher velocity have a bigger impact (pun intended) on the total energy.

[MaikUniversum]

haha funny, I always thought david and milton are the sam person. Stupid me.

[CurtHowland]

It just occurred to me that taking care of children, helping them, even correcting them when they need it, beginning their education, is a form of restitution.

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They didn't choose to be born, they didn't choose their parents or siblings, so in compensation for imposing all this on the child, it is the responsibility of the parent to clothe, feed, educate, and basically get the new human up to speed enough to not fall down when they start running on their own.

[1schwererziehbar1]

uuuh the sound is a bit fucked.

[MrDorkusMaximus]

I wish I could hang out with friends such as Stefan and Professor Friedman, as I feel they are such wise and articulate people.

[CurtHowland]

Last time I saw DDF was when he was giving talks about Encryption and anon digital currency.

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That was 15 years ago, too. He looks about the same. :^)

[lnd3005]

Is it just me, or did Friedman entirely skirt the topic of his own parents?

Also, did anyone else think he spent an unusually long time listing his children's accomplishments?

[Slim934]

Good gravy. David needs a maid.

[nanciqwerty]

Was someone eating a bowl of Rice Crispies throughout this interview?

Apart from that, interesting stuff. Thanks.

[94ole]

I too have learned a great deal from games, such as pokemon and world of warcraft. I apretiate that there are adults who actually are able too look positively upon such games. Great video Stefan, keep em' coming!

[chitchcott]

8:16 - So true, I learned at a much faster rate from on-line arguments than any mandatory classes

[LastReplaySC]

gaming and playing activates the reward system, it goes from natural body own produced endophines right up to adrenalin!

It's a form of drug that can get you hooked! Like everthing you willl always need a balance between all eccesive insentives that activates out reward-system.

The media TV Hollywood the gaming & drug industry know this, every Drug pusher knows jow far you can push people to do stuff not worth the time wasted on.

[LastReplaySC]

Govt run State schools dictator ships and private schools, have a hard time to adress that problem to give kids an equal incentive.

In the olden days, it used to pe sports and other (fun) activities that kept the kids in line! It's down to the parents to do their job, forget govt run schools, if you buy into that your gona grow up with a drone that will only learn or react under the threat of violence.

[CurtHowland]

@LastReplaySC Right on! I loved D&D, even if the games looked a lot like the playing in the movie "The Gamers: Dorkness Rising". That was a great low-budget film, I hope they made their fortunes.

[LastReplaySC]

off topic, whenever I watch controversial channels in comparison to MSM channels, the Counter is always stuck at 304 to 314! No matter what time of day I log on to YT.

It's as if YT is trying to drop Stef out of the 24h 1st day ranking system, so his vids can't go Viral

[StewartFGriffin]

I really enjoyed this. Shame about the audio. Thanks to Stef for the interview and thanks to David for sharing his thoughts.

[AnarchoRich]

Great to see David Friedman on FDR!

[pelucas716]

yah this guy annoyed the heck out of me. rtr style, it could be me, but it just seemed like anything that stef would say he would take as a counter point where its like, nah, he's just conplementing ur argument dude, if that makes any sense. and i think this has to do with his raising, sure i think its great that he was an intelectual equal persay, but i think u can tell that he was a attacked through arguments, which is why he comes of as defensive. just a thought. proly going out on a lim here

[greenghost2008]

Damn thats one nerdy family. Doesn't surprise me that they are jews. Jews have a great culture. I got to nap me a jewish lady.

[alique087]

@greenghost2008 lmao.

[greenghost2008]

@alique087 Hey man when I'm trolling the net thats not the response i want. Do it right!!!! lol

[domnote]

I was sort of annoyed by this guy. I don't know why, but he was almost over-intellectual. Maybe there's nothing wrong with that, but I I guess found him intimidating.

[karthadastim]

very interesting. I did not know smart, productive, and intelligent people played video games...especially world of warcraft.

[OldWhig1688]

I think I could listen to that for hours.

[Nomels]

Love you Steff - keep up a good work.

[HymerSchmidt]

YESSSS

[truss508]

hmm... there seems to be some interference with the audio (especially towards the end oof the video). On a brighter note its a well done discussion :)

[woodsofodin]

Boy, wish it didn't cut off. I'd would have liked to hear the ansers.