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  • I don't think there is any slack in the reins. They are tied to the saddle, the bend in the reins is a bit of an illusion due to the curb bit. The reins at one point dig into the neck! He is well trained and doing some very complicated movements but I disagree that he is relaxed, alot of his moves are abrupt and almost panic-ie. I agree with Katphoti - it's normal for certain cultures to train with such methods and to have them over flexed.

  • Beautiful, talented, precise and athletic. It took a lot of training, talent and skill to get the horse to work and react like this and a frame like this may be the only way it works for this horse. 

    What I really want to know too, is what is that music? It is gorgeous.

  • Terrible! This is good example for torture of horses. :(

  • @kangalhorse How is the horse being "tortured"? I see no signs of stress on this horse, he is calm, and well trained. He's a little over collected, but I think he's doing it on his own because the rider is not holding onto the reins and there is lots of slack if you look closely. This horse is FINE, just very talented!

  • Fascinating, and I love seeing the rider work solely off his legs. But it would be more impressive if the horse weren't so overflexed. The poor thing can't even seen in front of him with his head cranked like that, and it's got to be hard on his back and neck. But I know overflexion = beauty in this culture. I bet if he tried this without a bridle at all the horse would be just as good.

  • @katphoti Well if he's over collected, hes doing it on his own, cause there is a lot of slack on those reins if you look closely. But yes Id like to see him bitless too!

  • @hawaiianpony He's trained to hold himself like that. It's very easy to tie a horse's head down and force it to stand like that to get that kind of false collection. It creates muscle memory so the horse always holds his head like that. Plus this horse's back is hollow because he is trying to strain to hold his head in that position. Unfortunately, it's very "normal" in this culture to have over flexed horses like this.

  • Amazing! This horse is clearly happy and likes his job. Thanks for sharing!

  • Wonderful! Truly an art form.

  • Bravo!

  • absolutely amazing I totally enjoyed this and would love to study under your guidance any day!

  • wow que bello

  • Amazing... I wanna learn this! Once, maybe in a next life... :D

  • esta muy buena esa rienda los admiroo

  • illooo lo maneja sin riendas...solo con la sinturaaa!!

  • I'd be more impressed if he could do it without a bridle and the horse was not held in hyperflexion with its neck stuffed back into its shoulders with a strong curb bit

  • @tiga7592 past the vertical is being over flexed and in reality is bad horsemanship and equitation. Old schoolers knew this to be true, they don't even do that in the Spanish Riding Accademy. It's now proven this is NEEDLESS, and the over flexation puts the whole body out of whack, is in fact deformed and ugly, and tortures the horse. Spanish spurs and ring bits etc. What horse wouldn't perform with those instruments of torture. You might call this the Spanish Equi-sition (as in Inquisition).

  • I disagree - this is closer to savante equitation than most will achieve in a lifetime ;)

    Interesting, you quote SRS ( who exhalt Guerniere and Xenophon), yet choose to ignore their realities, i.e. "urchins", rowelled spurs and the original bit (of which bars and the curb chain were important components - not the title name).

    BTW ...Gueriniere really was bemused by the "odd english invention - the snaffle" - historically, it served only one purpose ...to lift the head.

  • @mattbgbr At least the horses tail isn't docked.

  • @mattbgbr I'd like to add to your statement. I agree that "thehappyhoof" has no justification to quote from the SRS. I have been learning from a Master who graduated from the SRS in Argentina (there is one there). One of the very first things he did when I started with him, was that he banned me from using a snaffle bit. It is an atrocious piece of equipment. There is no justification to use it. Horses develop a large callus on their tongues because of it. Spanish bits are FAR superior.

  • @thehappyhoof I'd like to clear something up with you. I hope you do realise that almost all the cases where hyperflexion is seen is by dressage and show jumping riders. I'd like to refer you to a book "Tug of War: Classical vs. 'Modern' Dressage". Long story short it outlines how the practices of Doma Clásica provide a rider with a horse that has pushing power and its OWN natural collection. The book also reveals the flaws of dressage through horse anatomy and physiology. Dressage is incorrect.

  • @thehappyhoof RIng bits, large highly pointed sharp spurs, spades. None of them are torture when they are used when appropiate by people that are qualified to use them. they never touch the horses mouth the horse carries them of its own volition. the ring bit is a early version of the two bit method now used but much more exact. the spade is the same. Spurs are used so no movement of the rider is seen, if you can see the rider using them then they are not being used correctly

  • @Race62hud So what advanced maneuvers can you do with a spade bit that you cant do in a snaffle? Name something...i keep hearing that they must be used for "highly refined skills" but what exactly? give me an example of what you can do and why its necessary

  • @magrish89 Haute Ecole. You can start with a snaffle but the finish work for a Spade is much more refined. Similar to the current use of the dbl bridle used for Dressage work but with less garbage in the mouth or extra reins. Picture this, Think F1 compared to a Corvette. What can you do different in a F1 car then you can in a corvette. Nothing, only much more refined and exact with less movement. Example see Merlin video in you tube 2:38 long. more then the bit, it’s the whole package

  • @magrish89 It's not that you cant do it with a snaffle, The 4 great Euro schools do it all the time. You need the same set of skills to use a spade. But I feel that the finish work seems to appear more refined with a outstanding rider using a spade properly. Pignon works with nothing. It would be more difficult to request the reaction times that Rejoneador get with a dbl bridle/snaffle is all. Great question, I wish I could put into words a better reply for you. Try this,"It's a feel"

  • Just amazing...i am in awe

  • splendide , bravo !

  • this is true pole dancing.

  • in my opinion, spanish riders are the best riders. Their horsemanship skills are unmatched. Course there are some riders to the exception who are not spanish, just generally speaking, they are amazing.

  • De donde eres?

  • Doma Vaquera - La Garrocha is just about the ultimate in riding! Notice the rider is not using the reins. Any reasonable horseman would die to be able ride like this!

  • @Sonoraman Why thank you! :)

  • Amazing!

  • this video is awesome

  • Love this video, I have a bay Hispano Arab , unfortunately I don't ride anywhere near as well but I have the deepest respect for the sensitivity and passion of the breed , highly under rated , fantastic !!!!Thank you for sharing

  • Amazing horsemanship! Wish I could ride like that... or had a horse that was this good! Awesome!

  • Wow! This is what dressage riders WISH they could do! (And I am one...)

  • ay ese cballo campero!!ole ke arteee...

  • @Nandicanliketobeodd The people who ride dressage do far more pulling then this.

  • @DomaVaqueraEntendido People who ride bastardized sport dressage do.

  • This is one of my favorite videos on youtube! I watch it all the time.. it has taught me a lot about me and my horses with communication. Thank you for sharing this!!

  • Good God, what a fantastically trained animal. Hats off!

  • :) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • con dos cojones¡¡ estas cosas son las que te hacen sentirte orgulloso de ser español, inpresionante

  • bien por este video eso es saber m ontar y educar a un caballo y sobre todo plena comunicacion con el

  • eseeeees jsus y alcn no?

  • Enhorabuena! Eso si que es arte!

  • My hats off to you from Texas!!! You are an amazing horseman!!! Thank you for posting this video.

  • wooooooooooooooooooooo

  • amazing, bravo!

    greetings from belgium

  • quien es el jinete¿?

  • przeganaszowany.. Szkoda mi tych hiszpańskich koni.

  • Extraordinario jinete

  • Amazing work, really brilliant.

  • otro dato historico en la equitacion mexicana es el de poner banderillas a dos manos sin el uso de las riendas -esto no se practicaba ni en España ni en Portugal.

  • lease la historia de la esclavitud de la Gran Bretaña y como se enriquecía a base del sufrimiento humano. Todo esto se practicó en EUA.

  • que si hay bienos caballos en EU? si

    pero recuerden que el pais fue desarrollado a base de robo al indigena y de la esclavitud africana; asi cualquiera se hace rico.

  • El "cowboy" fue un mito creado por los blancos supremacistas que necesitaban crear un "heroe mitologico" despues de haber matado a miles de indigenas y esclavizar otros miles de negros. De esta manera se podian sentir que algo poseian de cultura, pero no pensaron que en México ya todas las tecnicas ya estaban escritas y perfectamente documentadas.

  • en el libro de Luis Gonzaga Inclan publicado en 1860 existe una coleada de 1835 donde el caballo "el chamberin" y su jinete, Luis Gonzaga Inclan, coleaban toros a campo abierto y el chamberin no usaba freno ni bozal

  • el reining fue copiado de los vaqueros mexicanos de norte, el "cutting" ya existia en España-vease los quiebres que hace Pablo Hermoso de Mendoza. Los mexicanos ya hacian el reining sin freno ni bozal

  • El "cowboy" no es un personaje real.  Es inventado como lo es "spider man" o "batman". El "cowboy" se crea por una necesidad psicologica ya que no habia heroes blancos ya que ellos masacraron y robaron las tierras a los indios y luego esclavizaron a los africanos

  • lagr01, es un hecho historico que los gringos "cowboys" han copiado todo de los mexicanos. Todo esto esta perfectamente documentado. Poseo una coleccion de mas de 5,000 libros. Copiaron las tecnicas de lazar, montar toros, vestimenta, hasta el 1/4 de milla viene del criollo mexicano

  • 美丽的马儿!祝福!

  • Geweldig Fantastisch!! Fantastico, Sólo puedo soñar con el fin de conducir ....

    We dutch people can learn a lot from the spanish riders like this one!

  • WOW

    Only wish I could ride like him and train my Lipizzan as well as his beautiful equine.

    Some day ?!

  • Efectivamente son D. Jesús Morales y Halcón, este video está rodado en la finca El Guijarrillo de Santaella (Córdoba), donde se encuentra la yeguada Lovera. Jesús Morales tambien tiene un picadero llamado Los Arcos , en la localidad de La Montiela-Santaella, donde además de buenos y bien domados caballos a la vaquera, tiene un toro bravo con el que hace un espectáculo de rejoneo sin muerte buenisimo. Si teneis la oportunidad de visitar el sitio os llevareis una grata sorpresa.

  • Sin los del video Jesus Morales y Halcon? Es que no le veo bien la cara!!! Gracias

  • extraordinaire !

    Ceci est une traditionnelle beauté.

  • Just glad someone is keeping these traditions alive...Thanks for posting...

  • Phantastisch!

  • Aparte de en este documental, podréis encontrar buenas referencias de doma vaquera en los vídeos de Antonio Quinta Casas o en los que ofrece el Grupo Lettera.

  • Por cierto, es una tradición surgida en el sur de España, por lo tanto es mucho aventurarse decir una "tradición española" generalizando, y no es bailar exactamente, es hacer una serie de ejercicios para incrementar la coordinación jinete-caballo entre otras cosas. De todas formas, me alegra que este bello arte de la doma vaquera se conozca al otro lado del charco. Saludos.

  • BRAVO!!!

  • Es una maravilla admirar a Jesús y su jaca, en Santaella (Córdoba),posiblemente uno de los mejores caballos y jinetes trabajando con garrocha del momento, solo hay que fijarse como el jinete lleva al caballo sin coger las riendas, y como responde al caballo a la perfección, sin fallos, simplemente para quitarse el sombrero, esto es doma vaquera en estado puro,enhorabuena Jesús.

  • Es cierto, con las riendas en cintura casi todo se basa en piernas y asiento, y lo domina muy bien. Pocas veces se puede ver a alguien que practique esta técnica con maestría y a un animal que responda con suavidad. Bravísimo.

  • Fantastico!!!

  • wow

  • arte equestre!!!!

  • me da a mi que va a ser uno de los puerta

  • Excelene jinete, ya quisiera ver a esas maricones cowboys yanquis montar de esa manera

    Arriba España!!!!

  • Lee la repuesta que le escribí a gatunegru.

    Seguro que no aguantas ni 5 segundos en la silla de un caballo de cutting. Jockey de carrusel.

  • Jockey de carrousel??

    vaya que buen insulto aunque ni yo me lo creo,los vaqueritos gringos, no tienen realmente escuela hipica, hasta su silla tejana es copiada de la silla charra mexicana, hija orgullosa de la silla española. asi que por favor abstente de comentarios ofensivos

  • Los "vaqueritos gringos" han desarrollado los mejores caballos ganaderos del mundo y los caballos mas rápidos del mundo en distancias cortas. ¿En qué son los mejores los caballos mexicanos? Ah, verdad, ustedes usan caballos americanos en las charrerias y el caballo azteca tiene cruces con cuarto de milla para copiar en algo la capacidad atlética de los caballos de los "vaqueritos gringos".

  • ahh y lo olvidaba, dices que los gringos tienen los mejores caballos ganaderos del mundo, si claro para ganado manso y soso destinado a consumo humano (leche, carne y cuero) en cambio los caballos españoles,lusitanos y aztecas hacen las delicias en el rejoneo, tus caballitos de cutting quedarian destripados ante un toro de lidia, ante el verdadero ganado bravo, asi que por favor, buscate argumentos mas serios.

  • Y se creen la gran cosa porque halan a unos becerros raquíticos por la cola, vayan a Venezuela a ver unos toros coleados para que aprendan algo.

  • Ire a Venezuela cuando el gorila de Hugo Chavez se muera, no me jodas, quien habla asi de la escuela mexicana es un completo ignorante, y si nos vimos en la penosa necesidad de importar caballos gringos, fue porque a nuestro caballo criollo mexicano,se lo terminaron en tanta guerra que tuvimos, el que los gringos tengan sus caballitos no me importa, toda su hipica es copiada. nada que ver con las suertes charras, la doma vaquera española, el rodeo chileno y la doma de los gauchos argentinos.

  • esto si que es montar y no el western!!

  • Pedazo de pendejo, ¿por qué no haces una búsqueda de videos de "bridleless reining"? para que dejes de hablar idioteces.

    Excelente performance la de este jinete, por cierto. Pero lamentablemente hay unos idiotas que usan un video tan hermoso como este para hablar despectivamente de disciplinas que no conocen.

  • Solo es cuestión de gustos, pero te reto a que me busques un video de doma western o "bridleless reining" como dices tu, en el que ejecuten ejercicios de la dificultad de los que se ven en la doma vaquera o con Garrocha.

  • En los comentarios no se pueden colocar links, pero haz una búsqueda de "Sacey Westfall bridleless reining".

    Es un error comparar disciplinas con enfoques distintos. Las disciplinas western tienen un enfoque mucho más pragmático. Y cuando consigas un caballo español con la mitad de la habilidad de un caballo de cutting me avisas.

  • Sin ánimo alguno de menospreciar al western, debes tener en cuenta que en la doma vaquera se trasiega igual o mejor con el ganado, e incluye doble dificultad en el caso del ganado bravo que además se arranca y te lleva por delante si no lo esquivas rápido y hábilmente. La diferencia principal es la brusquedad del western frente a la suavidad y belleza de la doma vaquera, aunque en esencia los dos tienen funciones similares. Echa un vistazo a las rfrncias q cito y lo ntnderás mjor...

  • ... Por otra part ten en cuenta q la doma vaquera lleva mucho más tiempo usándose y perfeccionándose al ser mucho más antigua, por lo q los ejercicios son más exactos y con mejor técnica, necesitándose mnos sfuerzo para obtenr lo mismo. En cuanto a los caballos, no debo decirte nada de las sangres que forman las razas americanas, tu ya lo sabrás. Todo esto no quita n absoluto la espectacularidad dl western por su agresividad, pro llamemos a las cosas por su nombre. Saludos dsd España.

  • no digo que los de western no sepan montar pero no puedes negar que este es una pasada, en los de la doma western los ejercicios son menos complicados: parar, piruetas a los lados apoyandose en los pies, paso atras y cambiar la mano al galope. este video trasmite pureza

  • Con dos huevos el q quiera q lo haga ole ole y ole .Un saludo de Murcia!!!!!!!!  Nos vemos en la candelaria!!!!!!!

  • what was that dressage spanish style or was he writibg something in the sand?? good relationship though between horse and rider

  • outstanding rider and horse

  • Absolutely impressed! BEAUTIFUL! Favorited! Thanks for posting! :~)

  • Is wonderfull. La verdad que es un centauro. parece mentira ese dominio, esa exactitud técnica y al tiempo esa belleza.

  • Pensaba que no era correcto el termino Caballista, pero ya he visto que sí.. jejej El video es una pasada yo lo tengo completo y esta brutal!... :D

  • The reins are fastened to the front of the saddle - tight, so that the horse's head is restrained in this stylish arch at all times. Signals must therefore come from the rider's legs and, especially, the spurs.

    It is an impressive performance.

  • I wanted to point out, the reins are not fastened very tightly on this horse (they are short, but there is very little tension). He was probably trained with strict reins though. Here he is keeping his nose behind the vertical of his own will (it's very obvious when he canters around at the end, since his nose pushes out much further then).

    This is simply a /very/ well trained horse and rider.

  • The reins are attached to his waist. If you look he has one hand on the pole and his hat in the other.

  • To achieve what is shown in this video, there wouldnt have been any "strict rein" training.

  • I've watched them training and have done a bit (very basic) myself. You never haul on their mouths or jag at them or hurt them at all - you can't achieve such exploits by roughness. However, when the horse comes to a standstill, you do keep just feeling the reins, tightening and releasing, tightening and releasing, but just very, very lightly, until the horse gets into the habit of holding himself collected as soon as the rider mounts.

  • I'm not explaining it very well - I know how to do it, but not how to say it. Everything is done with a light touch and nearly everything they do is done entirely by changing the rider's balance, but also with use of legs. Often, they wouldn't be able to use the reins when working. Their horses have to be collected all the time, or they couldn't respond fast enough or accurately enough, as you need to do when you're working cattle and especially bulls.

  • i'M WRITE FROM ITALY SCUSE ME FOR MY ENGLISH I WANT IF IT POSSIBLE TO MEET THIS PERSON ... PLEASE HELP ME THANK'S

  • His name is Jesús Morales and he is in Córdoba, write to me privately , he is a friend of mine and I will give you his contact.

  • ciao di dove sei? anche io "faccio doma vaquera"!!! pensavo di essere solo in italia..

  • me gustaria conocer a este maestro

    impresionante

  • Look Ma! No Hands! Very nice. What are the reins attached to? His waist? There's nothing like watching a 'well-trained' horse.

  • Thank you for this video! 10 stars! Save to favorites!!

  • fantastico!

  • hola me a gustado mucho tu video. Lo he enlazado en mi blog. h t t p://herenciaespanola.blogspot.­c o m

    Gracias.

  • Caballo muy domado y caballista sensacional

  • "Caballista"??? se llama Jinete!

  • También se puede decir caballista.

  • ésta es perfección Gracias

  • MAGNIFICO!!! Need I say more?!

  • Merci beaucoup!  Sans de reins!

  • Las palabras no son suficientes para expresar la belleza de esta disciplina y en particular de este caballo y jinete. BRAVO..

    Excellent - I did not know this was practiced outside of the bull fight. Thank you for sharing. Gracias

  • Off all the videos i have just seen, this is truly magnificent. both horse and rider communicating to create a beautiful dance. this is truly a special relationship. wow, who knew there was something more exciting than dressage. these two have brought horsemanship to a new level. such a dance only means a treacherous ending for a bull. can you hunt down more video of this team? I will check out the videos you mentioned earlier.

  • Cheval et cavalier voir admirablement dans la perfection. Merci beaucoup

  • Absolutely amazing! Some of the most beautiful riding I've seen lately!  Bravo!

  • Absolutely amazing! Some of the most beautiful riding I've seen lately! Bravo!

  • this is INCREDIBLE!

  • Enjoyed the video very much. Wonderful ballet of horse and rider. Awesome display! Those half passes were to die for!

  • great real nice horse and sure the rider is great too - by the way i did look at all your videos!! Ok i love all Ridingparts and the horses - but some animal looses to much in your videos! - sorry my way of thinking - but it is ok for me - i respect it! -

  • I thought this was impressive until about halfway through I realized the rider wasn't even USING THE REINS. Then I thought it was one of the most incredible displays of horsemanship I've ever seen. Thank you for posting this beautiful video.

  • I'm glad you people like it. You should all go see another of my videos, click on "More from this user" and select "Pablo Hermoso de Mendoza: Rabo en La Plaza de Toros Mexico". You will see three amazing horses.

  • I believe you are the first one to post this wonderful video,and for this I thank you very much.It has brought to the horse community something very special.This type of equestrian lightness is seldom seen nowadays. smithywess

  • Q GRAN ARTE EL DE PABLO.

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