Kuk Sool Won Techniques, Philosophy, History

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[DippShits]

Has anyone personally trained with Master Doo?

If so, is he any good or Doo-doo...?

[Seantorky3]

ksw is just a way for some little korean man to make money.

[WildWhiteDignity]

It looks neat but I think its focus is too wide, it's better to become proficient at one art than to graze the suface of many (Kung Fu strikes, Taekwondo kicks, Chinese, Japanese, Korean weapons, Judo/Jujutsu throws and all those acrobatics) touch much?

[kuksool786]

Greatings From Kuk Sool Miami We are not from Kuk Sool Won we use to be but I'm student of Eung Koo Lee bow How we say in Kuk Sool until the death

[KanoKazuma94]

This looks like a rip off of Japanese martial art.

[PandaMan1591000]

@KanoKazuma94 It shouldn't look like a rip of of a japanese martial art , as Kuk Sool Won is a comprehensive collection of a lot of ancient Korean martial arts.

[Tianshanwarrior]

@PandaMan1591000 have you read the Muyedobotongji? that will set the record staright about what you said

[PandaMan1591000]

@Tianshanwarrior im not quite sure what u mean, all i know is that kuk sool won was formed in the 1950's from royal court, budhist and family/tribal korean martial arts.

[Tianshanwarrior]

@PandaMan1591000 The pseudo history of this system as many other Korean styles is dubious at best. Similar in nature to those Chinese styles that claim to be secret and as old as Methuselah. There is scholarship about Korean martial arts for those who are not as naive and are really serious at knowing a bit of history. Henece why I sugested to read the Muyedobotongji, Crouching Tigers, Secret Weapons: Military Technology Employed During the Sino-Japanese-Korean War etc.

[Tianshanwarrior]

@PandaMan1591000 I dont want to sound confrontational but I do believe that people should research a bit and not take everything an instructor says at heart when it comes to history. MA is a god busoness for some people and they say anything to get people. Other good sources are: Book of Corrections: Reflections on the National Crisis During the Japanese Invasion of Korea, Traditional Korean martial arts". Journal of Asian Martial Arts

[PandaMan1591000]

@Tianshanwarrior Tank you for the reading sugestions, there is a history of Kuk sool won on the Kuk sool website if you are intrested. I wouldn't be surprised if you are mostly correct, as kuk sool was formed from many different styles from trought korea, but where those styles come from are a mystery. My origional comment was only designed to inform people that Kuk sool won is a Korean martial art, and not japanese.

[PandaMan1591000]

@Tianshanwarrior What i want to avoid is some usless, un-informative agument you to easily find across you-tube.

[PandaMan1591000]

@Tianshanwarrior There are also several books on the kuk sool won website shop about the history of kuk sool won and traditional korean martial arts. I havn't read them but you may find them intresting as you seem intrested in MA history.

[Tianshanwarrior]

@PandaMan1591000 Thanks for the suggestions. I have read some of the material they have but I must admit they are full or errors and omissions (the whole history of KSW is a fabrication). Hence why I said that one needs to look for specialized material to understand this subject. I do reccomend you to read the sources I quoted along with either the original version of the Muyedobotongi (in Chinese) or the English translation you find at Turtle Press, Best

[PandaMan1591000]

@Tianshanwarrior The whole history of KSW a fabrication?... Please go on......I'm intrigued....

[Tianshanwarrior]

@PandaMan1591000 @PandaMan1591000 looking at the book 5000 years of Korean Martial arts written by a KSW instructor, you will see that even though there is a lot of info from other researchers on Korean history. There is very little on MA. They left out, conveniently, any reference to the only Korean martial arts manuals in existence: Muyejebo, Muyejebo sokjip, Muyejebo Beonyeoksokjip, Muyesinbo, and Muyedobotongji.

[Tianshanwarrior]

@PandaMan1591000 @PandaMan1591000 The first of which was based on Ming general Qi Jiguang's manual, the Jinxiao Xinshu. King Seonjo The reason is during the Imjin War, their military had a hard time defeating the Japanese. The Koreans asked Ming China for help, the few troops that were able to engage the Japanese were southern Chinese troops trained in Qi's tactics. King Seonjo(1567 - 1608.) said of the Chinese troops

[Tianshanwarrior]

@PandaMan1591000 "Their army is said to number 30,000. This is not a lot but they know how to use them". The Muyedobotongji (MYDTJ) is a compilation of Qi's manual (empty hand, shield and saber, long spear, triple tip spear, multiple tip bamboo spear, two handed saber, staff), the Korean use of the flail on horse and on foot, Japanese two handed sword, Admiral's sword (Ming general Li Ru-song),

[Tianshanwarrior]

@PandaMan1591000 ), Silla Kingdom sword, halberd based on Chinese model, techniques based on Japanese naginata, ball game on horseback and Korean archery. In the MYTJ, the king`s foreword said:

"…Archery has been the only official martial art and other forms of military arts were unheard of…"

The terms originally used in ancient Korean sources are in Chinese and they precede the Korean sources. A fact that Koreans are unwilling to acknowledge…

[Tianshanwarrior]

@PandaMan1591000 Subak (수박/手搏), Shoubo in Chinese, mentioned by Ban Gu in the Former Han (206 BCE-24CE), referring to boxing

Yusul (유술/柔術), Roushu in Chinese, Jiu Jitsu in Japanese

Shippalgi (십팔기/十八技), eighteen skills (the Chinese mentioned this for the 18 weapons of war)

gakjeo (각저:角抵) Juedi in Chinese, The first Chinese emperor designated juedi as a military sport in (221 - 210 BCE)

[Tianshanwarrior]

@PandaMan1591000 gakgii (각지:角支) Jueli, wrestling it is said that Chi You created it

chiuhui (치우희:蚩尤戱), Chi You a Chinese mythical being creator of metal weapons and Jueli

sangbak (상박:相撲) Xiangpu a wrestling style first mentioned in the Han dynasty (206 BCE - 220AD)



[PandaMan1591000]

@Tianshanwarrior It's very intresting to discover how much influence other eastern martial had on korean martial arts. Especialy as the weapon i am currently learning at my kuk sool classes is nunchucks (a traditional Japanese weapon.) I guess that its very difficult to trace any martial art back to it;s TRUE roots, as different martial arts will influnce eachother, and the martial arts themslefs will evolve over hundreds of years.

[KSJoshWhite]

@PandaMan1591000 From what my research it seems that China also had their own version of the nunchuck. There are 32 forms for the nunchuck at Shaolin temple and this weapon has been taught for generations.

[PandaMan1591000]

@Tianshanwarrior I would like to thank you for taking your time to write about this topic, an have found it both informative and intresting and will try to take up some of your reading sudjestions (if i can find the time/money to perchase/read the books. Thank you

PandaMan1591000 :D

[Tianshanwarrior]

@PandaMan1591000 I am glad to meet a decent person who wants to discuss in a civilized manner this topic; I have had my share of Korean nationalist wanting to cut my throat. I will send you a separate message with a list of articles you can get very cheap that will cover some of the sources I have used. Cheers

[waterybread]

@PandaMan1591000 Last but not least I do belive Korea must had have some MA, but we might never know how the look like as the influences from China and Japan were too many and over the centuries, transformed whatever originated in the country. An important point is that weapons fighting was considered more important than empty hand methods (they were a basic skill).

[michahberta]

@KanoKazuma94 its not if you find a true kuk sool master who teaches right.Its actualy a soft art.I got lucky cause the teacher who taught me lived with the world master for 5 years.But with all arts that get to big the art gets lost.The futher u r away from the sun the colder it gets LOL u know?

[isaq99]

Kuk = cock hahahhah by Swedish

[BigBroheim]

Hapkido...Kuk sool...Whatever...

You guys have no clue...

This is called Kung Ju Mu Sool (Or some darn spelling like that)

They don't know what Kuk Soll is in Korea, but if you say "Kung Ju Mu Sool" they will know. It is somewhat common.

[kswnin]

Koong Joong Mu Sool is like a third of kuk sool, they have kuk sool in korea, its justKoong Joong Mu Sool is the type of thing that would be history book material, while kuk sool is one of the newest attempts to hone it and pass it along to future generations, along with the buddhist and tribal arts

[hotsauselover]

I like how he talks about acupuncture and pressure points, that is key in KSW. The patches are put on wrong, aren't they?

[kswnin]

idk i think thgey might be different in places other than korea and america because of supply issues, but thats just a guess

[kormastas]

i did quit the search about this as there are some old schools around the world that call themselfs kuksool it seems to me that the founder of hapkido first named the school kuksool somthing (i dont remeber what) and then went to create hapkido and many of his students from the early stages went to create their own schools with some differences as i see it KSW is from that stage and the holds and locks are clearly akijujitsu but has more chinese influance

[kswnin]

Kuk Sool Won and Hapkido are completely separate arts founded by completely separate people, but the founders of both arts worked together for a short length of time, but not much of what the talked about got into the other art

[nativeman65]

korea had its own martial arts before the chinese or japanese yes they did give the koreans knowledge of there arts later but before their interaction korea had its own forms of unarmed combat

[kempo206]

Those are from China (Wing Chun), how ever Korea gain most of its martial art's during the Japanese occupation.  Most Korean Martial arts are based on Japanese Shotokan & Japanese Jujitsu which are weaker versions of Okinawan Arts. Remember Okinawan Arts are based on Chinese Arts and Japanese Arts are based on Okinawan And Korean & Brazilian based on Japanese. All of the arts are in Essence Mixed Martial Arts from the very start.

[kswnin]

wing chun is absolutely nothing like kuk sool, and korea already had a vibrant martial arts heritage before japanese occupation, and kuk sa nym went to great lengths to ensure kuk sool wasnt japanese. While Taekwondo, Hapkido, and Hwarang-do, all show heavy japanese influence, even in things as simple as their names ("do" is a japanese word)

[michahberta]

@kswnin well I grew up with Joo Bang lee's kids Hwa Rang Do lol. Its kuk sool won.He had a 5th degree kuk sool belt but he got to america before Inyuk .At first joo was with his brother teaching hopkido.Then Joo Bang all the sudden came up with the name hwa rang do lol. But Joo Bang Lee is very Good.I don't know why they have to make things up like that.The family would be very angery for me posting the truth lol. I could tell more but thats enough, thier just bussnes minded is all .Fairy tale

[HeiLong]

pardon my ignorance, but aren't the butterfly swords chinese, and not korean? i could be wrong though.

[Samperor]

They both use it.

[kswnin]

Koreans never really developed there own weapon types, they just borrowed from their invaders, because they were being invaded and supplied with weapons almost constantly.

[WingChum]

There is a couple of lovely looking gals in that clip!

[Dragonkarma]

No, hapkido is close to one branch of Kuk Sool Won ( Sado musool). Kuk Sool Won also includes royal palace martial arts ( koong joong musool) and Bulkyo musool ) Buddhist temple martial arts. That part of Kuk Sool Won that hapkido resembles is less than a third of the entire art of Kuk Sool Won.

[Justthisguyyouknow]

There is controversy, of course. Some say Hapkido and Kuk Sool were the same art, and then Kuk Sa Nym branched off to do his own Kuk Sool Won. It is a fact that there was Kuk Sool Won Hap Ki Do schools in Korea in the past, and I just watched a video clip showing forms from one of those schools that were clearly most of the KSW forms. The truth is clouded, intentionally so.

[knightofsilla]

Kuk Sool Won and Hwarang-do are both Hapkido based. Realistically, both founders studied Hapkido and added to it to develop their own arts. They came up with various stories, but that's the truth. At this stage it doesn't matter because so much time has gone by that they are their own martial arts now. No dishonor there, but to lie about the orgins...there's the dishonor.

[kswnin]

nooooooooo kuk sool was created, then hapkido, not the other way around, there are pictures of whatever the founder of hapkidos name is i cant remember in an old kuk sool uniform. idk about hwarang-do though but it definitely drew either from ksw or from the same information base as ksw which is to be expected

[kswnin]

Kuk Sa Nym and the Hapkido guy whatever his name is worked together for a short time after both of the arts were technically though not officially formed, but neither person or art really gained from this...

[Samperor]

What does Koong Joon Musool and that Bulkyo musool consist off? Are they striking art?

[kswnin]

they arrent really martial arts, more of a way to classify martial arts by their origins, Koong Joong Mu Sool is all the martial arts developed by the korean nobility basically, the other are the korean buddhist arts

[tkd4life]

Actually, kung jung mu sul is the martial arts practiced by the palace guards and the royal family. It's a secretive style...it is in KSW but has been modified and isn't in it's original form. Do you practice KJMS or KSW? There's only one other KJMS dojang in america besides mine (in PA) and there is one in Houston...but that's it for america

[R4NDALL]

@tkd4life

Korean Royal family?

Can you explain me this?.

Thanks.

[kswnin]

YAAAAY! i love it when people actually know what theyre talkin about! and hapkido has a lot more japanese stuff in it that kuk sool doesnt, but it isnt near the amount of shit hapkido is missing out on :)

[aucteakwondomaster]

close to hapkido isn't it.