Clean out your own pig sty

[konor23]

Isn't the problem that they (the organisation as a whole) are above the law? Or at least are/were under this illusion?

Take the confessional box: The priest is obligated not to say anything to anyone if a murder is confessed (an unsolved one, say).

But this prevents justice being served.

[rozeboosje]

Yup, you're quite right. This video, however, is how this woman on the television thought that not only could she claim that the Catholic Church as a whole could not be held responsible, but in one fell swoop then proceeded to blame it all on secularisation. And with that latter statement I spotted the finger of blame starting to move toward people like me: non-believers, humanists, atheists and agnostics. And I am not going to sit here and take that. No bloody way.

[QualiaSoup]

Bloody well said!

[rozeboosje]

Thanks! Long time :-)

[TruthSurge]

hahah you look like a hobbit. did you shrink or did your house grow? hehehe

[rozeboosje]

I drank from the right side of the bottle

[wolfwing1]

It reminds me of that one debate, "Is Catholic church a force for good" where one of the lady's got up and said something like, "Would you guys stop bringing up condoms and pedophile priests as if thats all were about, it's all you guys ever talk about." *paraphrased...but still*

[rozeboosje]

yes

[wolfwing1]

I wish liberal theists get a clue...they spend so much time telling us not to paint them in that light they ignore those that should be.

[gothatfunk]

i'm having a difficulty trying to decide which is the case:

is it becoming more common to try and use atheist's as a scapegoat?

or

is it more obvious to more people now that we are able to communicate more readily via the communications age?

i'm aware that historically, atheists have many times been used this way, but over the past year, maybe 2, it seems to be much more overt, rather than implicit.

or is that just my perception?

[rozeboosje]

A bit of both. I would say a lot of this would tradidionally have been spouted all the time. And atheists would have kept schtumm grumbling to themselves in disgust if they ever overheard someone saying it. We've stopped muttering.

[rozeboosje]

obviously this is leading to a bit of a backlash; those who have been used to being able to say such things unchallenged are quite taken aback when confronted with someone going "You are NOT saying THAT to MY face". Some try getting bolshie in response. Let them try.

[DeletedDelusion]

It's always the same excuse.

Later the priests will claim to have found their way back to God, repent and everything is "fine" again...

(at least for the church)

Just like the late murderer Jacques Fesch who may soon get blessed by the pope...

[rozeboosje]

ugh

[thatgaybloke]

This recalls a video that HairyReasoner made about a rapist in Canada whom the judge spared a custodial sentence because he had asked god for forgiveness.

watch?v=a4APMCHi6ao

The beauty of asking god for forgiveness is, of course, that the christian god always grants it. It's guaranteed in the product description.

So if, like a habitual wife beater, you relapse. All you need to do is say "sorry" and mean it. However briefly.

[DeletedDelusion]

Yeah, absolutely outrageous, the rapist even had the nerve to sets conditions about what kind of counseling he would pay for, WTF?

[PonguigPeopinn]

WE MUST BOW DOWN TO ZEUS!!!

[rozeboosje]

waaaaaa

[grenangle]

You are right to be pissed .

[rozeboosje]

Thanks

[lazyperfectionist1]

Huh.  So these priests lost touch with God. But since God is in all things and people, they felt the need to get back in touch with Him through others. Got it. Makes perfect sense.

[rozeboosje]

eewk!

[theracemixer]

Get your ass out of the sofa, go to JDsoprt, buy a cricket bats, find where she live and i need not say what you do with it :)

[rozeboosje]

LOL

[grenangle]

Is it late there?

[rozeboosje]

no, early XD

[bensy010]

hey, rozeboosje, you are a remarkable person.

as much as i respect your privacy, i would love to know more about you and what you do.

[rozeboosje]

My videos show a lot about me and who I am, but anything specific, just ask. The worst you might get is an "I'd rather not say".

[AncientAtheist]

As DavidJohnWellman pointed out in a video today, here in America you can look at any of a number of indicators (murder, drug use, teen pregnancy, divorce, etc) and all of the worst areas are the ones most heavily populated by fervent "believers". Why is that, believers? Please advise.

[rozeboosje]

I hope you're not holding your breath while waiting for their reply XD

[AncientAtheist]

No more than you are, my friend! LOL! We both know they have no answers. At least - not rational ones. Perhaps "god is testing the faithful"?

[rozeboosje]

Yeah. If anybody ever puts THAT one forward I will ask them to explain to the kids, in language that they will understand, why it is necessary for them to suffer so that the faithful can be tested.

[krunk1980]

remember when poor Sinead O'Connor was trying to speak out against this like 20 years ago and it nearly destroyed her career. morally bankrupt, scapegoating bullies! I think all the people that are cultural catholics should also be called out as silent accomplices. is it worth destroying children's lives to have pretty building for your wedding?

[rozeboosje]

apparently :-(

[funkskull]

oh, I meant sleepers was of what you were talking about, so frequently challenged i be

[funkskull]

blaming is the well developed skill of the religious cults. while birth contol would aleviate mass human suffering, the lack thereof ensures the necessity for the desperate hope of religion. the film, "sleepers" is spot on this

[rozeboosje]

Oh, yeah. I remember that one.

[TheHogTieChamp]

Back when I was making the PedoTube series of warning videos, I asked a few users -- including NephilimFree -- to help spread the word on their channels.

NephilimFree wrote back to explain his theory about how pedophilia is caused by "separation from God." He suggested that I should encourage pedophiles to accept Jesus into their hearts... 'cuz that'll fix them urges!

I was seriously creeped out by the exchange.

[rozeboosje]

That guy is nuts. And that exchange is fascinating, in a horrible way.

[grenangle]

I wont sleep tonight :(

[ItsDaSuperFly]

I just about blew a gasket watching this. Explain herself? I demand an apology

[rozeboosje]

Exactly

[coffeefish]

The Catholic church is sexually molesting children in every country around the world.

They have been doing it for hundreds of years. I hate those people involved.

[rozeboosje]

Every sex offender has to face the law

[thatgaybloke]

When Pope Ben made his "apology" during the visit to the US he laid part of the blame with the moral laxness of the American people. If any other organisation had been guilty of these kinds of crimes they would have been shut down and their ring leaders prosecuted. But because they sell magic, they get away with it 100% and get to blame everyone else.

[thatgaybloke]

Since you will not tolerate anyone taking your statement and applying it to all catholic clergy, then I will make that statement myself. They are ALL responsible. Where were they when this was happening? Turning a blind eye or covering it up. Even those who truly did not know what was happening at the time are demonstrating how ethical they are by continuing to participate in the organisation that carried out decades of child rape.

[thatgaybloke]

Anyone with a shred of decency would condemn what has happened and make every effort to distance themselves from the perpetrators. And let's be absolutely clear about this - the instructions to cover up and protect child rapists came from the very top of the church. Indeed Ratzinger himself sent out a letter instructing that every effort should be made by bishops to cover up any scandal.

[thatgaybloke]

From the church we hear the odd voice but in the main, papal infallibility rules. And this pope is the one whose infallible instincts are to pervert justice and prevent those who rape children from being held to account.

[rozeboosje]

I know priests who are as shocked and appalled about this as the rest of us, and who have no qualms about declaring that the offenders and those who enabled their offences and who protected them should be dealt with harshly. Even within the church a few things are changing, albeit with the typical glacial speed with which it tends to approach such things.

[thatgaybloke]

There are Roman Catholic priests who would like to see their own pope brought to book for perverting the course of justice?

[rozeboosje]

Probably not the pope, but archbishops and the likes, yeah.

[thatgaybloke]

There is documented evidence of Ratzinger's involvement in covering up child rape scandals globally. I think it would be unlikely that you will find a priest who would publicly challenge their "infallible" pope on this and demand that he be held to the same level of legal accountability as any other person in the Western world for perverting the course of justice and allowing rape and torture of children to continue.

[thatgaybloke]

Why aren't we hearing more about this? The god botherers aren't so shy when it comes to gay marriage, abortion, adoption to gay couples. They don't seem to be quite as vocal about this.

These people are the hypocrites of the highest order. They preach love and compassion and then put their own desires ahead of the safety of the most vulnerable members of our society. I can't understand how anyone can regard them with anything less than disgust.

[rozeboosje]

I know priests who are openly gay and who do not indulge in such condemnation. Granted, they're few and far between. I guess they're faced with the horrible dilemma that speaking up against Ratzi himself would be career suicide in the first place and would result in a huge backlash against them from the hierarchy. It's still weakness, but it's human weakness and understandable even though it is, of course, inexcusable.

[rozeboosje]

no, I didn't mean to say that the pope wasn't involved, I meant to say priests would probably not go as far as demanding that the pope be held accountable, just like you state here. That is of course inexcusable.

[thatgaybloke]

The "weakness" would be more understandable were these not people who promote themselves as the one true moral compass in a world of evil. Who claim the right to lecture the rest of us on how we should live our lives for the greater good, yet who put the needs of their corporation and their own careers ahead of those of brutalised children.

For all their claims of humility and sacrifice, their self serving nature is on display for all to see.

[rozeboosje]

It's not fair to level that accusation at all priests. Whatever you may think of their religion, and we're both on the same page with regard to that, I have no doubt that some priests at least enter the priesthood full of starry eyed idealism not realising what cynical world they're about to enter. And I have no doubt that the reality of that situation never sinks in with some of them. Think of THAT what you may, but don't tar them with the same brush as the cynical abusers.

[thatgaybloke]

I'm not tarring them with the save brush as the abusers, but with the same brush as those who would cover up the abuse and have expected great effort in doing so to protect the church from scandal. I think that is justified. We've seen the wailing and wringing of hands time and again from these people - and people like them.

[thatgaybloke]

The starry eyed idealism of which you speak boils down to a belief that the the multinational corporation that employs them has an authority that must be protected at all costs.

If these people had any decency they would be speaking out - we hear nothing.

[finnsia]

I am going to play devil's advocate by saying that she's right.

If a person does that the bible is against, that person has therefore lost touch with God since God doesn't like for that to happen.

From the looks of it, you took it one step further and thought that what ever action atheists do is also because we lost touch of God.

And that she put God into the picture instead of just focusing on the person.

[rozeboosje]

I'm taking it one step further and I see that the natural progression from blaming "losing touch with god" is to start blaming things such as "secularisation" and the next thing we know we, atheists, humanists, non-believers are somehow the root cause of all this evil. There's no way I'm going to tolerate even the slightest suggestion of something like that.

[tattooskin72]

Yes, all those priests that have raped children over all these centuries... it's your fault, it's my fault... anyone's fault but the priests or the church itself.

Yeah, umm, seriously fuck this women with a telephone pole.

[rozeboosje]

It's unacceptable, that's what that is.

[NermalsChannel]

The things some people say to avoid responsibility. Truly disgusting.

[rozeboosje]

yup

[kalsolarUK]

damn, you were really passionate about this one! And rightly so.

[rozeboosje]

Absolutely. This is the one type of shit that I am not going to take anymore.

[sputnikowns]

Nice one.

[rozeboosje]

thanks :-)

[prodigyat9]

So what? The people who are not in touch with god block the signals to the other people so, for example, some priest might forget it is wrong to fuck a little boy or little girl? Is that how it works? We block god transmissions? God seems pretty weak ass if he can't override a little interference.

[rozeboosje]

Yeah, it's amazing to what lengths people will go just so they can have the comfort of pointing a finger at an out-group.

[RHYMEMAIDEN1]

As Christopher Hitchens recently pointed out, the only people obsessed with food are gluttons and anorexics. The idea that sinister, neurotic, sex-obsessed virgins should dictate the sexual preferences and practices of the rest of us is ridiculous and destructive. It must end.

[rozeboosje]

That, too. But my point here is specifically to state "you can point the finger at whomever you like, but if it even begins to swing in this direction you've got another thing coming".

[phenixwryter]

She was spin doctoring and probably didn't even care that she was doing it because that's how those people roll. They are stupidly convinced that only godly people have morals and ethics and if a christian commits a sin, then these folks think that all they have to do is pray for forgiveness, say they are sorry and it will be just fine.

What utter bs.

I still say that laws were broken and those pedo priests should be arrested for their crimes.

[rozeboosje]

No quibble on that account.

[BespokeGroupUK]

I cant say i am surprised. i can say it pisses me off.

[rozeboosje]

Yes

[rednecktrucker1969]

Very good points. It makes me sick too. :(

[rozeboosje]

Cheers

[happysplodie]

I love this argument. I put it in a slightly different way.

'I blame the lack of unicorns' That's right. You got it here first.

Now, why is it, on the same amount of evidence for unicorns as god. Why is the idea of unicorns laughed at and the idea of god embraced? Do these people honestly not care to do themselves the service of examining their beliefs before opening their mouths?

[rozeboosje]

I honestly didn't care until I sensed the pointing finger starting to swing my way. I'm not willing to wait until it's physically poking me.

[Vogter2100]

Wow the audacity of that woman, leaves me speechless!!

[rozeboosje]

The mind-numbing stupidity, more like.

[Vogter2100]

This made so angry that I could hardly breathe.

[rozeboosje]

Damn right

[pirbird14]

What adds insult to injury is the fact that:

the Church knew about the abuse and covered it up for years;

the cover up came from the highest levels of the church;

the Church has spent more money on lawyers than on compensation to victims.

Here in Canada, the Protestant Churches almost went bankrupt in compensating victims when the scandal broke in the late 1980s. but not the Catholic Church.

[rozeboosje]

The Catholic Church cannot be bankrupted. But it can be rendered obsolete.

[Vogter2100]

The Vatican is good for 50 billiog dollars I seem tio remember reading somewhwere.

DIdnt their lord and saviour tell them to sell all wordly goods and give the money to the poor?

[rozeboosje]

Yeah. And if you want to take THAT idea seriously you can become a Franciscan. I actually respect Franciscans.

[Vogter2100]

The main parts of jesuits are not too bad either. Here in Denmark at least, they run a few schools that even though they are private, allows poor people kids into them and give them a fucking god education.

[rozeboosje]

"fucking god education" ROFL

I know what you mean though.

[Vogter2100]

Even to people that are not catholic or even christian.

[prodigyat9]

You respect the franciscans Pino? I can cure you of that. Watch my vid on the priests son with brain cancer.

watch?v=2ctERYqvRVo

[rozeboosje]

I hope to watch that video later. In any case ... maybe I should have said I respect SOME franciscans.

[ChrisJMoor]

Hmmm. I would not get offended Pino. The church claims itself as the only way to communion with God yet it was unable to enforce his own purported values upon the people employed by profession to promote those values. Its sad and pathetic, never did the church look so empty of any merits as after the child sexual abuse scandal. Except possibly its allying with the Nazi's or its support for slavery. Take your pick, each century it has existed has one eye opening example at least.

[rozeboosje]

Yup. But I'm not so much "offended" as drawing a line in the sand and saying: you will NOT cross. Little old ladies cannot go about ranting about "kikes", "niggers", "knackers" or "faggots". But somehow they can still piously assert that godlessness leads to immorality without anybody blowing the arbiter's whistle on that. And I'm not going to let it pass. Not anymore. Enough is enough.

[ChrisJMoor]

I can sort of imagine what this person said. You see, the trouble is that when a person talks like this, and what they say is vague or meaningless or utterly unfounded in reality, rarely does anyone dare to say 'I think you are wrong' because its a religious opinion. Thats something that if we could get over, the world would be a better place, given that we live in a world where clergy claim swaggering moral authority and who recruit believers to defend their interests.

[rozeboosje]

Exactly. And if there is ANY sense in which I could be said to be waging a war against religion, that would be it.

[Cavetroll100]

Geat video! 5/5*

[rozeboosje]

Cheers!

[musicgeniusno1]

Sickening indeed. I had someone recently say something along the same lines, i.e that society's ills are ALL due to people not following 'gods' laws, but following the 'wrong laws' that society is making!

[rozeboosje]

Exactly. That's why I'm blowing the whistle RIGHT HERE, when she is spouting the ambiguous bullshit of "losing touch with god", and not when the accusations have become explicit and are directly leveled at the non-believer.

[VincentWomack]

you're absolutely right. They shouldn't blame atheism for the misinterpretation of the bible, where it written:

Suffer little children to come unto me

[rozeboosje]

Ick

[seustaceRotterdam]

In my school, one of the priests used to take the boys swimming. The water was magic and you didnt need any swimming togs.

This is not a joke.

This happened.

[rozeboosje]

Ugh. Sad thing is, I believe you.

[NCLUSA]

I like to hear both sides of things, 5*****

[rozeboosje]

Thanks a million.

[panthera50]

Stupid bitch. :-((

They rape kids, and blame it on "loosing touch with god" ???????????????????

She lost touch with reality !

And all those filty rapist should be in jail.

[rozeboosje]

Yes

[VisionGhostPoet]

I swear since the turn of the last century this world has slowly been going on reverse and the effects on this social polarity is only just being felt now!

[rozeboosje]

Sadly there may be some truth in that

[spinkwotzer]

Incidentally I have a friend who was abused as a child, and apparently she told a Catholic priest about it and he told her to stop making things up. It seems that apathy about these matters is widespread within the Catholic church, even when the accusation doesn't concern one of their members.

The idea that this organisation represents anything approaching morality is disgusting and offensive.

[rozeboosje]

Ramen to that

[spinkwotzer]

When she said people losing touch with God, was she talking about the people who did the abusing? Cos people will sometimes say that people within their own church have "lost touch with God" if they do things wrong.

[rozeboosje]

That's probably how she'll spin it. But the implication is, of course, that moral behaviour in her eyes requires a closeness to her god. And by further implication therefore that non-believers are part of the problem. At which point I'm pulling the emergency break. Nobody spouts such bullshit on my watch.

[333holly333]

I was reading an article about this report online, and many people in the article's comment section were saying exactly what that woman said. They blamed all the child rape and other abuses in the church on a "falling away from god". What they all seem to be denying is that this is widespread, *institutionalized* abuse. :/

[rozeboosje]

Exactly, but in fairness I couldn't care less about the finger pointing within the institution. What got my goat was when it became this "falling away from god". This leads directly to the same old same old "immoral atheist" accusation, and I am simply not going to sit down and take that anymore.

[TheAtheistPaladin]

It is a vicious circle. You do not follow god, then god allows rape of little boys. And so if you believed in god, then you not follow him anyways for that. And so more rape occurs.

[rozeboosje]

Yup

[elizkawalizka3]

Great video!!!

They have no shame!!!

[rozeboosje]

And no sense of irony either

[TheX2Com]

Oh fuck!

How...............In the hell can anyone say such a thing, I'm stunned, speechless and overwhelmed.

[rozeboosje]

I have no idea, but what sickens me most is that that statement did NOT result in a storm of protest, except from the one or two non-believers who were there, and even they were almost afraid to point out the naked bigotry. Apparently we still live in an age where an old lady's religious sentiments are deemed to be worthy of respect just because they're "religious" and regardless of how nakedly bigoted they are.

[timtheloner]

well said. I'm sick and tired of theists blaming all the ill will that they do on us!

[rozeboosje]

Ramen to that.

[Antichryst666]

"the abuse was the result of people losing touch with God"......Can any statement speaking about sexual abuse of children by the clergy be any more sickeningly ironic?? I know you were paraphrasing from memory.....but damn, that makes me feel ill just reflecting on it. I hope someone remembers her name, I would like to see it myself, it's that unbelievable. (sorry Pino, not that you're not credible) I'm just in total shock that anyone could say something that insensitive. Thanks for the vid

[rozeboosje]

Yup. It was on Irish television. I only heard it because I was at my PC at the time. I hope one of my Irish viewers, with a better memory than mine, actually watched the show.

[xxxThePeachxxx]

Well done!

[rozeboosje]

I think this is the most important message we atheists can spread. We will NOT become the next "Jews", "Blacks", "Gypsies" or "Homosexuals", and we will keep pointing out the bigotry until making such statements about godless people will become as socially unacceptable as slagging of any of those groups.