Mexican nationalists in the USA tend to basically be nazis(imperialist authoritarian national socialists). Judging by your vocabulary you seem to be reasonably intelligent yet you have such ridiculous viewpoints. You claims that Jared Taylor's moderate nationalism compares to the extreme racial chauvinism of Nazism, not even close. I see nothing wrong with wanting to preserve ones race and culture.
@hellfuhrer187 I believe you meant "notion" instead of "notation".Are you familiar with what "American" culture is? It is an amalgam of different cultures, taking many things from other cultures. Our cuisine, our euphemistic language, our customs, all derived from a wide variety of sources. As far as a "people" having to identify or a culture ceasing to exist, I can agree with that. However, that identifying bond needn't be race or nationality, that's just an arbitrary distinction.
Taylor isn't arguing that Mexican nationalism is wrong . it is just that is not American nationalism and not welcome here. Nations ARE for the most part defined by Race. By the way "native Americans" weren't the first inhabitants of the Americas. They were we believe judging from archaeology excavations: Solutrian.
I would like to close by saying Jared Taylor is not a racist. He is a White and he has every right to assert the best interests of his people in their own homelands.
@MrHerrIQ I question plenty, and have made videos that were considerably more in depth about this subject in response to IndividualAutonomy. This video response was directed at an emotionally loaded video full of "guilt by association" quotes of a few Hispanics. I called him out on it. Note that you point out that I use emotionally loaded language, but ignore it when all of these other people do the same. Try examining your own biases and lack of questioning before pointing out mine with insults
You were the one who argued against emotional appeal.
You were the one who thought it was hypocritical to combate Mexican nationalism with American nationalism. I.e to fight fire with fire is wrong, two wrongs dont make a right. Then you go ahead and do the same in your own video. I merely caught you on it. Then you turn around and try to claim you catched me with bias, when I merely caught you with your own bias.
@MrHerrIQ I make an emotional appeal because of..??? Because I call Jared Taylor a racist? Bullshit. I don't buy the "racism as a conversation stopper/emotional appeal" argument. I called him what he would call himself given the right climate. As for your biases, I did certainly as much research about you (checking your page) as you did about me (watched one video) and drew my conclusions as to where your sympathies lie. I have called people out that I agree with for bullshit arguments...
"I am not immune, I am a big boy, I can admit this."
And thats great, power to you, but your whole video was about being against appealing to emotion which you accused Jared of doing. And what do you do?
In big parts of the video, you appeal to emotion. Which is funny because in the same video you accused Jared of hypocrisy, and what did you do? I just thought it was funny. Yes everyone does this and it does not say anything about your intellect, it's human, but its funny
@MrHerrIQ "In big parts of the video, you appeal to emotion. " I just rewatched the video to see if I could place emotional appeal, I found two places that could be construed as one. The Native American part, which was in jest (albeit many people felt I was letting my "white guilt" shine), and the thought experiment (which I state in the video prior to it that it may be considered fallacious by some, a lot more than Taylor offers).
I know you disagree but I didn't even have to tell you that exchanging arguments and throwing around pathological labels such as "racist", etc is appealing to emotion. You knew that it's a word that makes humans go all pavlovs dog, much like the word "Witch" used to do. And instead of arguing against single points, you care more about labeling people and appealing to people's conditioning (emotions). It's lazy.
You know the function of the word so well that I didnt need to state it myself.
Your experiment in the end was also an emotional appeal, intended to bring us back to all the SavePrivateRyan movies we've seen & the cries of "never again" with a violin playing in the background. Yes I agree with Taylor and disagree with you. Is that supposed to negate the legitimacy of me pointing out your hypocrisy in a video where you explicetly condemned Jareds hypocrisy AND emotionalism?
@ThePunkReturns What I don't like about this video is that you are way too obsessed with logic. Most of reality is psychic which means clinging to logic will put you at a huge disadvantage. Try moving your attention and trust, then you will see your world change drastically to your new beliefs.
You had a whole 11 minutes to make a point, but you wasted it. Oh, you did specify that you were for open borders, but not in the case of when this country was occupied by Indians. That makes sense....
@MagUalghairg1916 Goddamn it, the Native American thing was a joke. You people have no fucking sense of humor. Oh, and I have made numerous responses to IndividualAutonomy in regards to his points he argues, the point of this video is that Jared Taylor's argument "this Mexican said this, so they all believe it" is a logical fallacy. I thought this was clear. Anyway, you have the right to your opinion and I mine. I just think his arguments were fallacy laden and weak. Others have argued...
... the same points as Taylor, and have done so with more lucidity. I still don't agree, but arguing based off of emotional plea is the weakest form of argument. Certainly ALL Mexicans don't believe the exact same way, anymore than all whites do. And seeing as how I think the whole debate proves that not all whites agree, I guess we can conjecture that any group will have a similar variety of opinion.
@ThePunkReturns Most groups, groups, nations, or peoples, if not all, are much more homogeneous than the people who live in the U.S. It doesn't have to be a unanimous line of thought to be dangerous. Yet nations are brought down, peoples, tribes, etc. have vanished throughout history. But the most interesting event is how a nation commits suicide by willingly be taken over. I don't find Jared's case that interesting. Yours on the other hand is curious. What's behind an "open-border" philosophy?
Scientific inquiry most likely predates scientific inquiry in Ancient greece and even early modern europe. MAny texts in ancient india remain to be untranslated. Ancient indian historian Seidenberg that the pythagoras theorem came from ancient babylonia and even the mathematical and geometric knowledge that predates ancient babylonia were found in the Sankrit texts of 1700 BC india and were expressed as rituals. Clearly. The world would not be in the dark ages in the SR did not begin in europe.
Peer reviews were first found in europe? there are documents of the first medical peer review being described in the book, the Ethics of the Physicsian by shaq bin Ali al-Rahwi .Al-Birini understood that there human beings were prone to making errors and they were prone to bias and emphazied that replication of experiments needed to take place in order to reduce such bias and eras. Zero was introduced in the islamic world before it came to europe and it was in the mayan ciivilization
No dude, you weren't "just fucking kidding", you were letting your white guilt shine.
But seriously; pro move invoking Native Americans. I'll be sure my great great great great great grandfather watches this. Perhaps it will help him to see the error of his evil white man ways.
@SheyOneTen First, "white people traditionally" was not first introduced by me, Jared Taylor invokes the fear of becoming a white minority in his video. As for "white guilt", all people on the side of white nationalism invoke this weak ass tactic to negate legitimate arguments from a minority stance. Seeing as how I have Native American on both sides of my family, a more apt criticism would have been one of internal struggle. But surely people are only as their skin color would have you believe.
Jared point with increasing nationalism since the Mexicans are much more nationalistic rests upon Jared's acknowledgement of human nature, ethnocentrism Welfare, ethnicity, altruism by Frank Salter, Downside of Diversity by Robert Putnam, etc. Jared is saying that, If we want to build a practical, harmonious society, we ought to base this on mans nature. Since Whites aren't Mexicans & Mexicans know this & are Nationalistic on White expense, Whites ought to give into their nature.
@ThePunkReturns And the fact that you have "Native American on both sides of (your) family" doesn't change the fact that invoking Native Americans is a straight up appeal to collectivism. Which is really odd coming from someone who claims to oppose collectivism.
@SheyOneTen Ah, did your feelings get hurt by false accusations? Then perhaps you should stop accusing people of "White Guilt" and "collectivism" just because they make a joke about border control and Native Americans.
@ThePunkReturns If you review my past comments you will see that I have made no reference to your joke about border control. That's because it was obviously a joke. Initially invoking Native Americans was not a joke.
You invoked Native Americans as an appeal to collectivism, and quickly exited that line of reasoning with a joke about border control.
Is it your claim that 7:48 - 7:53 of this video was done in jest?
@SheyOneTen I am sorry for any misunderstanding, perhaps in the future i will put gigantic red letters over the parts of my videos wherein I am being facetious or ironic, so as to limit confusion to those who aren't used to such types of statements. Good day as well.
You can even find Youtube videos of similar statements made by marches of Latinos. I would support American nationalism against Latino or Mexican nationalism any day for my own survivial and betterment since those would be the only two choices, not a form of non existent libertarianism. For the reasons in the other comment, we have gone over the other data already that supports the group argument. This video details leading Latino figures being much more "racist" and nationalist than Taylor.
@IndividualAutonomy "Latino figures being much more 'racist' and nationalist than Taylor". How fucking so? He is advocating excluding an ENTIRE race of people from our society, based on the NATIONALIST notions of his preferred white nation. I guess who is or is not more racist depends on which side of that racial divide you are. I would definitely say it is at least equivalent.
No, the Mexicans are even more about border control than Taylor. The Mexican government doesn't just let anyone cross their border. The border patrol beast, rapes, steals, and sometimes murders those who cross their Southern border. They just want open borders for the US. Taylor has never said "Kill the Latino", "Go back to Central Mexico you Aztecs" or even getting rid of the ones here.
@IndividualAutonomy So, the policy of a government, Mexican government in this case, is fully representative of the populous. Either you have to admit you are conflating the two with this comment, or I can assert that you are for welfare programs, social security, healthcare, and state roads based on your government and its stance.
Most Americans are for parts of those programs currently, except the more right wing elements. Just as most Mexicans, except more so. You can find individuals of course but we are dealing in aggregates. Numbers, power, and influence matter. Mexicans don't preach for open borders in the South, they want them open in the North and only on their side. They protest for the "right to enter their land" against the US state but not the other way or for their Southern border.
PLEASE will you stopped bastardizing the meaning of the word libertarian and call yourself a white nationalist paleoconservatives.Libertarians don't suport any forms of protectionism or autarkies. Libertarians are conserned with private property first, state property NEVER! I don't even think you are really a white nationalist seeing that you want too keep other whites from residing in the US , since most hispancis are white , whether you accept this truth or not.
See this is another reason why I blocked you. You don't listen. I have said I like libertarian "minorities" better than extreme statist whites and would welcome letting them in. However, we can't deny group dynamics and we have to deal with political support, stopping immigration of anti libertarian latinos. I am not a sucidial libertarian. I am concerned with survival first and I take context into consideration. I am not a dogmatic libertarian or a religious libertarian.
I don't listen? You totally disregarded my claims of supporting a border around mexico as a form of statism. If you don't believed that immigrations controls are very costly, you are living in fantasy land. You don't make any distinctions between latinos and so I have a hard time believing that you will accept libertarian "minoirities" before you accept any white nationalist. White nationalists CANNOT be libertarian and if you support their causes, then you are not supporting libertarianism.
Because you don't listen or don't care to, you don't understand. I, spawk and others have already addressed the statism part of border security and how it is a trade off. I never said it would cost nothing, it is just cheaper than letting them vote and become citizens. You can let them work on workers visas or outsource to Latin America as well to make it easier for business and workers than 100% shut borde. No citizenship, No open borders, worker visas, and outsourcing.
ERrr NO? What would be the best strategy is to get rid of the state incentives that draw them to welfare. NOT only is putting up a wall economically retarded and extremely expensive, but you would be hurting the economy as well for you will be restricting a demanded labor force. Most economists believed illegals helped the US economy. Believe it or NOT most illegal alleins pay income tax even though they don't received any of the "benefits". Illegals pay seven billion dollars in SS.
Illegal aliens pay income taxes but they receive most of it back because they are poor when they file their income taxes....only half the nation roughly actually pays Fed income taxes. Again you are a fucking fool and don't listen so I am done with you after this. OUTSOURCE TO LATIN AMERICA AND HAVE WORKER VISAS TO WORK IN THE US, HOWEVER NO CITIZENSHIP, NO OPEN BORDERS. The immigrants are not coming to make a stateless society you moron, they are less libertarian.
You can't just attack the welfare state moron. Or ignore that the state exist moron. Open borders means trillions in entailments to new citizens moron that are poor who won't pay income taxes. If the state collapses moron due to the economic strain there will be a new state moron because they are not libertarian. There are economists who are not for making them citizens but letting them work moron. Try George J. Borjas and others. I am done with your dogmatism.
IDIOT , THEY ARE ALREADY PAYING INCOME TAXES AND THEY ARE NOT EVEN FUCKING CITIZENS! In fact, the IRS published a report that shows that 75 percent of illegal immigrants Besides , we don't want ANYONE to pay income tax, let alone illeage immgrants. ITS obviously evident that you are a conservative and NOT a libertarian. You support an income tax obviously. You support welfare for for only white people. You should try Alexander Ortega and Stuart Anderson if you don't believe me.
@IndividualAutonomy "If the state collapses moron due to the economic strain there will be a new state moron because they are not libertarian."
I once heard a Libertarian speak on this issue and his theory was that through the collapse of the welfare state as a result of an overwhelming number of recipients(i.e. undocumented immigrant applicants), one less bureaucracy is used as a means to legitimize the State's existence, even though the fella was only a Minarchist, that seemed to make sense.
Well the problem though is that the immigrants and the current population that is not libertarian would form another state. We would have more poor people and more non libertarian people with open borders. Many Marxists and other non-white nationalists call libertarianism Eurocentric lol. It is funny though because I can understand the non-white nationalists saying it but not the Marxists lol.
@IndividualAutonomy Well then, let them! So long as they don't include you in the mix, I don't see why they shouldn't. And if they are as nationalistic as you make them all out to be(which is strange to me) then that's good for you seeing as how living in a multicultural society would be such a grievous burden to bear.
An open border policy within the current context of the world and a collapsed/reformed state would be a disaster for myself in more ways than one. I would never advocate it lol. I am not a sucidial, religious libertarian like some. ha
@IndividualAutonomy Nah, it wouldn't unless you ARE a welfare recipient which I don't think you are or ever will be. Well, let me not be so rash, what is it about open borders that would be more of a disaster, EXACTLY?
Cause this whole, "they're not libertarian" argument is subject to change and frankly the whole "they are nationalist" argument seems a tad bit hypocritical and nonsensical since not all undocumented immigrants are from Mexico or even subscribe to the political beliefs of La Raza.
MORON , all of the poor received their taxes , NOT just illegal immigrants. Numerous reports from the IRS show that even though 50-75 percent of illegal immigrants pay into federal, local, and state taxes, they are less likely to be beneficiaries of the services that they pay into. MOST WHITE AMERICANS DONT WANT A FUCKING STATELESS SOCIETY EITHER , SHIT FOR BRAINS. EVEN IF YOU WERE TO RESTRICT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT ACCESS, THE WELFARE STATE WOULD PROBABLY CONTINUE TO GROW!
@IndividualAutonomy Actually, you may be wrong here. For an illegal immigrant to receive their income taxes back, they must file for them. The taxes are often collected on false SS numbers, therefore they don't file tax returns to get their money back out of fear of retribution for filing with fake numbers. They either need SS numbers or tax id numbers, both have to be obtained through the government. Illegals tend to not go after them. I know plenty of illegals that this is the case for.
Do you have a source for this? I could not find anything. It of course is not a major position or really an important point, but for the future I won't use the argument if I can see evidence. I only brought it up because Pentazoid decided to bring up the income tax and how illegals pay into it and social security lol. What you say on this specific issue sounds plausible but I would like to see a citation of some sort.
@IndividualAutonomy I was citing simple anecdotal evidence, however the SSA does hold these unclaimed taxes in a separate file called the "earnings suspense file". There is an article on Reason.org that relates to this
BULLSHIT. The border restrictions are practically non-existent for mexico for non-mexican immigrants compared to the border restrictions in the united states. When I entered from the US to mexico, there were no lines . When I went departed from mexico, I had to wait six fucking hours in line even though I was at the mexican-US border. Maybe Taylor did NOT say he wanted to kill the latino , he is willing to used anti-libertarian means to keep them out of the US.
It is pretty well documented that Amnesty International has many more problems with Mexico's immigration and border patrol actions than the US. Just do a google search and compare. But I didn't want to speak with you again for a reason. You don't provide counter arguments, cite your claims (just give anecdotal info), etc. That is why I blocked you, no utility. It is intelligent to keep more populalist, anti libertarian racist nationalist against you immigrants out.
I never said that MEXICO did NOT have any border problems you twat, I said that it is EASIER to cross MEXICO BORDER than it is to cross the UNITED STATES border and it is. Especially since 9/11. I don't provide counter arguments? I gave you examples of groups of people that supported statism such as evangelical christians and the jews and how you never bring them up when discussing your reasons for why hispanics should not be allowed in the US and you totally disregarded them.
You have no stat for that that you have shown and Amnesty International disagrees with your personal anecdote. Again for the last time, there is political support for stopping Latino immigration and they have the numbers to do the most damage. Evangelical Christians are a dying breed and they are more libertarian than Latinos, a few protectionist ideas is not the end of the world and is cheaper than welfare/increased taxes. I already addressed this but again....
They are MORE libertarian than latinos ? Okay , this claim is coming Directly out of your ass. LAtinos have not tried to take the theory of evolution out of schools. Latinos have not attempted to promote censorship in the public square. Latinos have not tried to decide for me if I am allowed to drink alcohol or do any drugs. It hass been exclusively evangelicals that determine if I can have an abortion or not. Evangelicals may be dying off, but they are still very pominent in US politics.
"When I entered from the US to mexico, there were no lines ."
LOL. The large groups of people who want to sneak into Mexico are not already living in the most advanced American countries. It is not the northern border which requires enforcement - kind of like how none of the patriots are screaming for a militarization of the US-Canada border, but more so.
Thanks for the well-thought out insight there, Lou Dobbs. Jared Taylor, for people who do not know, is similar to David Irving, providing intellectual fodder for white supremacist movements world wide. Taylor believes, among other things, that African-Americans are genetically inferior to whites, that black males have "hyper sex-drives," and races SHOULD be segregated. He has direct ties to racist organizations. Dude is a fucking loon.
Genetically inferior in certain areas that relate to IQ and income and certain areas, not in other areas. There are genetic differences and blacks do have a higher level of testosterone on the aggregate. He is for free association, not government forced segregation though he does think people will overall segregate on a voluntary basis like they do in the many areas they are allowed to do it today. Nice job though trying to demonize the subject.
I don't think you are emotionally or intellectually stable enough to have this conversation so I will just leave it at IQ scores matter, it has more to do than just IQ but forms of creative intelligence, etc. I am not heavily knowledgeable on the subject so I don't make videos with it as my main argument. I will just say that 97% of notable scientific figures from 800BC to 1950 have come from "the West". I don't care what you do are don't care about. You got his position incorrect.
I really don't think you are based on your earlier comments, but thanks for the amateur psychology. Of course there are different ideas and measurements of intelligence. However, IQ tests I am referring to are not "culturally biased". Asians actually do the best strictly on IQ. IQ heavily correlates with income and the productivity of a society. IQ measures visual intelligence, the ability to deductively reason, spacial intelligence, memorization etc
There are differences in scores. But you infer that racial groups are genetically dissimilar and conclude that one group is innately more intelligent than another. Race isn't a valid biological construct. You find that in IQ scores, there is more IQ variation among people of a particular "race" than there is variation between scores of different "races."
Once you account for environmental confounds, the IQ scores between races will become insignificant.
You mean like , the scientific method, scientific inquiry, algebra, inductive logic, spherical trigonometry, peer reviewed study, the introduction of the number zero into the number system, rudimentary dentistry, dental surgery, .... oh wait, all of those inventions came from the medivial islamic world. Western civilization has greatly contributed to the advancement of the human species, but to say they mostly did that is BS. Without the islamic world, europe would be stuck in the dark ages
@Pentazoid111 The modern scientific method wasnt in vogue until about 100 years ago. And it came from European philosophy . (especially karl popper) . Scientific inquiry goes back to greeks like thales. Inductive logic comes from Aristotle. The word algerbra comes from arabs, but the math its self comes from Greece. Scientific peer reviews didnt come about until the 1600's (from Europe).Zero goes WAY back to Babylonian way before islam . Dentistry comes from asia and way predates islam.
100 years ago? You are completely ignorant of world history. The scientific method was used in the islamic world before it was used throughout europe. Ali al-Rahwi documented the first process of peer review studies. The scientific method was applied in his book of Opticssuch as making an observation , then formulating a hypothesis , then making an experiment , and formulating a conclusion. Dentistry may be predate islam, but the fact is much of the modern world reach islam first b4 europe.
@Pentazoid111 The scientific method was literally used all through history. That does not contradict my comment. We value the scientific method because of the supposed epistemological soundness of it, and the things it has produced. The epistemology and products of it were developed by Europeans. It wasn't in vogue, nor was it worth shit, until till the Europeans got it. (and they did not get it from Arabs )
" Dentistry may be predate islam" then you were wrong. You lied, the end.
Persian mathematician Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī treated spherical trigonometry as its own mathematical discipline and formulated pretty much the law of sines for plane triangles , stated the law of sines and the law of tangents for spherical triangles. Al-Jayyani wrote what many scholars considered to be the first treatise on spherical trigonometry in a book entitled The book of unknown arcs of a sphere where many mathematics historians see spherical trigonometry first written in its modern form.
@spawktalk Zero is not Babylonian. The Babylonians held a concept of a place holder similar to zero, but not zero. The Greeks held that "zero" couldn't exist because nothing cannot be something. The first use of Zero as we know it today (within the confines of decimal places, a marker between positive and negative, as placed at the end of a number like 260) came from India in the 5th century.
@spawktalk Likewise, something similar to algebraic geometry was used by the Greeks, but not until al-Khwarizmi did the idea of negation of like terms on opposing sides of the equation and reduction enter into the math, thus defining what we now know as algebra. The rest of your analysis is correct.
The rest of his analysis is correct? He is incorrect about the peer review process first appearing in europe in the 1600's because the peer review process was documented in medieval islamic texts such as the Book of Optics and ethics of the physicians .
The math is self comes from greece? the history of rudiments of algebra date back to ancient india, babybolonia and egypt . Linear and quadratic equations were solved by the ancient babylonians. Abu Kamil , solved and wrote down the basic laws and identities for for algebra. Omar Khayhan wrote down the roots of the cubic equations by applying intersecting conics. More historical documents shows that Linear algebra was borrowed from Ancient indian mathematics way before the 20th century.
@spawktalk "The word algerbra comes from arabs, but the math its self comes from Greece." Ehhh no, a simple search into the timeline of Algebra could easily demonstrate otherwise. Algebra is the best example of a diverse network of cultures culminating into one systematic method of understanding numbers relations. Algebra is an amalgamation of cultural influences by the Indians, Greeks, Persians, Arabs, Egyptians, Babylonians, and Chinese.
@Pentazoid111 Spherical trig comes from greece. Did you literally make every single claim up? Or did someone lie to you about a whole range of academic subjects?
The video is a speech from 1998. These were quotes from leading political and academic Latino figures in California and elsewhere. Numerous Native Americans tried to use European Powers to their advantage and were imperialist as well. 60% of Mexicans want to take the Southwest of the United States and 70% of the immigrants identify as Latino or Mexican. There are groups like La Raza, the Brown Berets, etc that make this clear and make similar statements.
@IndividualAutonomy Do you even know any Mexicans? I know quite a few, I grew up in a highly Hispanic area. La Raza does not represent the Mexicans I know, with the exception of maybe one. 99 % of the Hispanics I know aren't like La Raza. Statistical facts from my studies, and I, too, can use fallacies to blast the subject/object distinction out of the water, exactly the same way Taylor can.
Except we have the studies. 60% want the Southwest, 70% of Hispanic citizens identify as Mexican or Latino. Leading political and academic figures calling for Mexican nationalism and Latino racial identity as well as reconquering the Southwest of the US while gloating about a weakened white population telling them to die. These are obvious problems. Ones that you and others wish to ignore and then after not accepting the stats you don't even cite your own claimed stats.
@IndividualAutonomy First, calling a poll (informal) a study (formal) is giving it more weight than deserved. Second, don't pull the "provide your own stats" shit, as I have in past responses provided plenty of links (which you chose to dismiss out of hand, I might add). This video I responded to had nothing but assertions made by Taylor, backed up with the only the statements of some people he claims represent the majority. I guess his assertions are fine because you agree with them, huh?
I addressed you citiations with Wise...and you yourself admited according to your studies that poverty was not the main indiciator of crime in every journal you could find. You did better than most in actually atempting to respond but not to all of my links. However, I am not even refering to that. I am refering to what you just stated to me in the last comment, "Statistical facts from my studies" not citation.
@IndividualAutonomy The "statistical facts from my studies" was a joking reference to my personal experience with Hispanics. The point of it was that my experience with Hispanics is as valid as the few people Taylor quotes in so far as they are as likely to represent the whole of Mexicans as the other. If I referenced personal allegories, you would scream fallacy, but when he takes a handful of quotes from Hispanics, you make a video to support your argument.
These are leading Latino figures voted for by Latinos or leaders of their organizations, not some crank Mexicans off the street or a few no body Latinos. Like I said we have group polls. They have weight. They are relevant they show nationalism, populalism, and racism against whites and Americans which is what I am worried about. I am not suicidal in that respect. I thought you actually had a stat but if you don't then I guess I have no further response.
Seems like you have quite a few emotional appeals yourself. The "Us vs. Them" is human nature and denying that and disregarding the group solely for the individual is what kills the libertarian movement imo.
Let's say that beyond any doubt Jared's arguments are true, what then?
@UcanbeGOD I guess if Jared Taylor's arguments are true we should round up all Mexicans in this country into train cars, ship them to work camps, and perhaps even eventually gas them. Or maybe that's just me being facetious. Good thing his arguments are bullshit, huh?
It's a good thing there is so much clarity and non-emotion in Jared's opposition. After all, white "racists" are the only ones worth mentioning. I wish I saw all these anti-racist folks getting emotionally charged over anti-white sentiment, be it fringe or not.
@UcanbeGOD No, racism is racism. It is all irrational. Do I deny "racism" in the people Taylor quotes? Absolutely not, of course they are racist. Does this transpose over the entire population? No. Is Jared Taylor a racist? Yes. Are all whites therefore racist? No. Are all Libertarians racist? No. Are the ones who use racist arguments to support their positions? Possibly. At no point did I say, nor have I ever said, that there weren't racists on the other side. Strawman much?
@UcanbeGOD I have no problem with individuals choosing to be around whomever they desire, that's called freedom. Something can be apart of evolution and still be irrational, ie belief in deities, fear of the dark, xenophobia, love, etc. Evolution doesn't always produce the rational, only the utilitarian. In our history, humans have had a reason for these things, and in some cases still do, but that doesn't make it rational.
Really though, what would your opinion be if what Jared says is true i.e. Mexicans will increase the size of government and wipe out whites in the process? Do races not have freedom? What about the Kurds, do they not have the "right" to fight and establish a land all for themselves?
@UcanbeGOD There are quite a lot of people who get emotionally charged over anti-white sentiment but you can't expect all of them to be like that, now do you? I certainly don't expect racist of any stripe to acknowledge the wrongfulness of racially motivated actions on their "race's" part. It's this kind of talk that only hinders discussion more than anything. I think you only posted this comment because it justifies racism that is closely linked with moral self-righteousness.
@UcanbeGOD There are many things wrong with it. For instance, a belief that people that are not your race are inferior to you without acknowledging individual merit and the diversity within a demographic. Any by "wrong" I presume you mean, in terms of ethics, well even if I concede that there are no moral precepts to dictate what should be done to hateful thoughts directed at a group of people, I view racism as erroneous and thus retarded.
Jasrd is very smart guy hence he is not going to advocate violence because doing so will get his ass in jail,however the way he talks is egging someone to commit violence...
Taylor's opponents and the media uses fallacy manipulatively against him all the time
wwppk 2 months ago
This man is a raging know nothing douche. He's talking shit.
MrFrozenyoga 2 months ago
Mexican nationalists in the USA tend to basically be nazis(imperialist authoritarian national socialists). Judging by your vocabulary you seem to be reasonably intelligent yet you have such ridiculous viewpoints. You claims that Jared Taylor's moderate nationalism compares to the extreme racial chauvinism of Nazism, not even close. I see nothing wrong with wanting to preserve ones race and culture.
SAEuropeanPatriot 4 months ago
Self hate wont get you any friends.
carrtex 6 months ago
@hellfuhrer187 I believe you meant "notion" instead of "notation".Are you familiar with what "American" culture is? It is an amalgam of different cultures, taking many things from other cultures. Our cuisine, our euphemistic language, our customs, all derived from a wide variety of sources. As far as a "people" having to identify or a culture ceasing to exist, I can agree with that. However, that identifying bond needn't be race or nationality, that's just an arbitrary distinction.
ThePunkReturns 8 months ago
Did you just say you don't even believe in borders? What a dumb fuck you are. How do you think countries around the world are even defined?
Lavern4101 9 months ago
Taylor isn't arguing that Mexican nationalism is wrong . it is just that is not American nationalism and not welcome here. Nations ARE for the most part defined by Race. By the way "native Americans" weren't the first inhabitants of the Americas. They were we believe judging from archaeology excavations: Solutrian.
I would like to close by saying Jared Taylor is not a racist. He is a White and he has every right to assert the best interests of his people in their own homelands.
cromforever77 1 year ago
Agreed!
RangerMcFriendlie 1 year ago
You are really ingrained in the contemporary view of history, does and dont's.
To the point where you're so lazy you rely on conditioned, loaded words of emotion.
I have no idea how you became an anarchist, but you sure dont question much beyond it. Take an implicit association test!
MrHerrIQ 1 year ago 2
@MrHerrIQ I question plenty, and have made videos that were considerably more in depth about this subject in response to IndividualAutonomy. This video response was directed at an emotionally loaded video full of "guilt by association" quotes of a few Hispanics. I called him out on it. Note that you point out that I use emotionally loaded language, but ignore it when all of these other people do the same. Try examining your own biases and lack of questioning before pointing out mine with insults
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns
Oh no you didn't... 'kidding'.
You were the one who argued against emotional appeal.
You were the one who thought it was hypocritical to combate Mexican nationalism with American nationalism. I.e to fight fire with fire is wrong, two wrongs dont make a right. Then you go ahead and do the same in your own video. I merely caught you on it. Then you turn around and try to claim you catched me with bias, when I merely caught you with your own bias.
Wtf? ^^
MrHerrIQ 1 year ago
@MrHerrIQ I make an emotional appeal because of..??? Because I call Jared Taylor a racist? Bullshit. I don't buy the "racism as a conversation stopper/emotional appeal" argument. I called him what he would call himself given the right climate. As for your biases, I did certainly as much research about you (checking your page) as you did about me (watched one video) and drew my conclusions as to where your sympathies lie. I have called people out that I agree with for bullshit arguments...
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
... and I point out in this video that everyone from time to time will make this mistake. I am not immune, I am a big boy, I can admit this.
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns
"I am not immune, I am a big boy, I can admit this."
And thats great, power to you, but your whole video was about being against appealing to emotion which you accused Jared of doing. And what do you do?
In big parts of the video, you appeal to emotion. Which is funny because in the same video you accused Jared of hypocrisy, and what did you do? I just thought it was funny. Yes everyone does this and it does not say anything about your intellect, it's human, but its funny
MrHerrIQ 1 year ago
@MrHerrIQ "In big parts of the video, you appeal to emotion. " I just rewatched the video to see if I could place emotional appeal, I found two places that could be construed as one. The Native American part, which was in jest (albeit many people felt I was letting my "white guilt" shine), and the thought experiment (which I state in the video prior to it that it may be considered fallacious by some, a lot more than Taylor offers).
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns
Yes, you did give a slight warning and cudos!
I know you disagree but I didn't even have to tell you that exchanging arguments and throwing around pathological labels such as "racist", etc is appealing to emotion. You knew that it's a word that makes humans go all pavlovs dog, much like the word "Witch" used to do. And instead of arguing against single points, you care more about labeling people and appealing to people's conditioning (emotions). It's lazy.
MrHerrIQ 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns
You know the function of the word so well that I didnt need to state it myself.
Your experiment in the end was also an emotional appeal, intended to bring us back to all the SavePrivateRyan movies we've seen & the cries of "never again" with a violin playing in the background. Yes I agree with Taylor and disagree with you. Is that supposed to negate the legitimacy of me pointing out your hypocrisy in a video where you explicetly condemned Jareds hypocrisy AND emotionalism?
MrHerrIQ 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns What I don't like about this video is that you are way too obsessed with logic. Most of reality is psychic which means clinging to logic will put you at a huge disadvantage. Try moving your attention and trust, then you will see your world change drastically to your new beliefs.
leapingfury 10 months ago
You had a whole 11 minutes to make a point, but you wasted it. Oh, you did specify that you were for open borders, but not in the case of when this country was occupied by Indians. That makes sense....
MagUalghairg1916 1 year ago
@MagUalghairg1916 Goddamn it, the Native American thing was a joke. You people have no fucking sense of humor. Oh, and I have made numerous responses to IndividualAutonomy in regards to his points he argues, the point of this video is that Jared Taylor's argument "this Mexican said this, so they all believe it" is a logical fallacy. I thought this was clear. Anyway, you have the right to your opinion and I mine. I just think his arguments were fallacy laden and weak. Others have argued...
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
... the same points as Taylor, and have done so with more lucidity. I still don't agree, but arguing based off of emotional plea is the weakest form of argument. Certainly ALL Mexicans don't believe the exact same way, anymore than all whites do. And seeing as how I think the whole debate proves that not all whites agree, I guess we can conjecture that any group will have a similar variety of opinion.
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns Most groups, groups, nations, or peoples, if not all, are much more homogeneous than the people who live in the U.S. It doesn't have to be a unanimous line of thought to be dangerous. Yet nations are brought down, peoples, tribes, etc. have vanished throughout history. But the most interesting event is how a nation commits suicide by willingly be taken over. I don't find Jared's case that interesting. Yours on the other hand is curious. What's behind an "open-border" philosophy?
MagUalghairg1916 1 year ago
I didnt see anything in this video that suggests to me Jared is wrong about anything hes said.
No1important88 1 year ago
Scientific inquiry most likely predates scientific inquiry in Ancient greece and even early modern europe. MAny texts in ancient india remain to be untranslated. Ancient indian historian Seidenberg that the pythagoras theorem came from ancient babylonia and even the mathematical and geometric knowledge that predates ancient babylonia were found in the Sankrit texts of 1700 BC india and were expressed as rituals. Clearly. The world would not be in the dark ages in the SR did not begin in europe.
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
Peer reviews were first found in europe? there are documents of the first medical peer review being described in the book, the Ethics of the Physicsian by shaq bin Ali al-Rahwi .Al-Birini understood that there human beings were prone to making errors and they were prone to bias and emphazied that replication of experiments needed to take place in order to reduce such bias and eras. Zero was introduced in the islamic world before it came to europe and it was in the mayan ciivilization
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
"white people traditionally... Native Americans"
No dude, you weren't "just fucking kidding", you were letting your white guilt shine.
But seriously; pro move invoking Native Americans. I'll be sure my great great great great great grandfather watches this. Perhaps it will help him to see the error of his evil white man ways.
SheyOneTen 1 year ago
@SheyOneTen First, "white people traditionally" was not first introduced by me, Jared Taylor invokes the fear of becoming a white minority in his video. As for "white guilt", all people on the side of white nationalism invoke this weak ass tactic to negate legitimate arguments from a minority stance. Seeing as how I have Native American on both sides of my family, a more apt criticism would have been one of internal struggle. But surely people are only as their skin color would have you believe.
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns "white people traditionally" Yes, Jared brought that up, and you saw fit to use it in your counter argument. Good job.
'As for "white guilt", all people on the side of white nationalism invoke this weak ass tactic'
Wow, that's an amazingly sly way of accusing me of being a white nationalist. Nice try.
And seeing how I have Native American on only ONE side of my family, I will bow to your authority on the subject.
"skin color would have you believe.." Again: Nice try
SheyOneTen 1 year ago
@SheyOneTen
Jared point with increasing nationalism since the Mexicans are much more nationalistic rests upon Jared's acknowledgement of human nature, ethnocentrism Welfare, ethnicity, altruism by Frank Salter, Downside of Diversity by Robert Putnam, etc. Jared is saying that, If we want to build a practical, harmonious society, we ought to base this on mans nature. Since Whites aren't Mexicans & Mexicans know this & are Nationalistic on White expense, Whites ought to give into their nature.
MrHerrIQ 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns And the fact that you have "Native American on both sides of (your) family" doesn't change the fact that invoking Native Americans is a straight up appeal to collectivism. Which is really odd coming from someone who claims to oppose collectivism.
SheyOneTen 1 year ago
@SheyOneTen Ah, did your feelings get hurt by false accusations? Then perhaps you should stop accusing people of "White Guilt" and "collectivism" just because they make a joke about border control and Native Americans.
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns If you review my past comments you will see that I have made no reference to your joke about border control. That's because it was obviously a joke. Initially invoking Native Americans was not a joke.
You invoked Native Americans as an appeal to collectivism, and quickly exited that line of reasoning with a joke about border control.
Is it your claim that 7:48 - 7:53 of this video was done in jest?
SheyOneTen 1 year ago
@SheyOneTen Um, yes.
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns I have to apologize. This exchange appears to be a grand misunderstanding, as we are obviously watching two different videos.
Good day.
SheyOneTen 1 year ago
@SheyOneTen I am sorry for any misunderstanding, perhaps in the future i will put gigantic red letters over the parts of my videos wherein I am being facetious or ironic, so as to limit confusion to those who aren't used to such types of statements. Good day as well.
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
oldhacks likes democracy, I wonder if he would like to let the American people vote on immigration? lol
UcanbeGOD 1 year ago
not cool dude. Not Fucking Cool!
oldhacks 1 year ago
You can even find Youtube videos of similar statements made by marches of Latinos. I would support American nationalism against Latino or Mexican nationalism any day for my own survivial and betterment since those would be the only two choices, not a form of non existent libertarianism. For the reasons in the other comment, we have gone over the other data already that supports the group argument. This video details leading Latino figures being much more "racist" and nationalist than Taylor.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
@IndividualAutonomy "Latino figures being much more 'racist' and nationalist than Taylor". How fucking so? He is advocating excluding an ENTIRE race of people from our society, based on the NATIONALIST notions of his preferred white nation. I guess who is or is not more racist depends on which side of that racial divide you are. I would definitely say it is at least equivalent.
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns
No, the Mexicans are even more about border control than Taylor. The Mexican government doesn't just let anyone cross their border. The border patrol beast, rapes, steals, and sometimes murders those who cross their Southern border. They just want open borders for the US. Taylor has never said "Kill the Latino", "Go back to Central Mexico you Aztecs" or even getting rid of the ones here.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
@IndividualAutonomy So, the policy of a government, Mexican government in this case, is fully representative of the populous. Either you have to admit you are conflating the two with this comment, or I can assert that you are for welfare programs, social security, healthcare, and state roads based on your government and its stance.
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns
Most Americans are for parts of those programs currently, except the more right wing elements. Just as most Mexicans, except more so. You can find individuals of course but we are dealing in aggregates. Numbers, power, and influence matter. Mexicans don't preach for open borders in the South, they want them open in the North and only on their side. They protest for the "right to enter their land" against the US state but not the other way or for their Southern border.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
PLEASE will you stopped bastardizing the meaning of the word libertarian and call yourself a white nationalist paleoconservatives.Libertarians don't suport any forms of protectionism or autarkies. Libertarians are conserned with private property first, state property NEVER! I don't even think you are really a white nationalist seeing that you want too keep other whites from residing in the US , since most hispancis are white , whether you accept this truth or not.
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
@Pentazoid111
See this is another reason why I blocked you. You don't listen. I have said I like libertarian "minorities" better than extreme statist whites and would welcome letting them in. However, we can't deny group dynamics and we have to deal with political support, stopping immigration of anti libertarian latinos. I am not a sucidial libertarian. I am concerned with survival first and I take context into consideration. I am not a dogmatic libertarian or a religious libertarian.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
I don't listen? You totally disregarded my claims of supporting a border around mexico as a form of statism. If you don't believed that immigrations controls are very costly, you are living in fantasy land. You don't make any distinctions between latinos and so I have a hard time believing that you will accept libertarian "minoirities" before you accept any white nationalist. White nationalists CANNOT be libertarian and if you support their causes, then you are not supporting libertarianism.
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
@Pentazoid111
Because you don't listen or don't care to, you don't understand. I, spawk and others have already addressed the statism part of border security and how it is a trade off. I never said it would cost nothing, it is just cheaper than letting them vote and become citizens. You can let them work on workers visas or outsource to Latin America as well to make it easier for business and workers than 100% shut borde. No citizenship, No open borders, worker visas, and outsourcing.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
ERrr NO? What would be the best strategy is to get rid of the state incentives that draw them to welfare. NOT only is putting up a wall economically retarded and extremely expensive, but you would be hurting the economy as well for you will be restricting a demanded labor force. Most economists believed illegals helped the US economy. Believe it or NOT most illegal alleins pay income tax even though they don't received any of the "benefits". Illegals pay seven billion dollars in SS.
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
@Pentazoid111
Illegal aliens pay income taxes but they receive most of it back because they are poor when they file their income taxes....only half the nation roughly actually pays Fed income taxes. Again you are a fucking fool and don't listen so I am done with you after this. OUTSOURCE TO LATIN AMERICA AND HAVE WORKER VISAS TO WORK IN THE US, HOWEVER NO CITIZENSHIP, NO OPEN BORDERS. The immigrants are not coming to make a stateless society you moron, they are less libertarian.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
You can't just attack the welfare state moron. Or ignore that the state exist moron. Open borders means trillions in entailments to new citizens moron that are poor who won't pay income taxes. If the state collapses moron due to the economic strain there will be a new state moron because they are not libertarian. There are economists who are not for making them citizens but letting them work moron. Try George J. Borjas and others. I am done with your dogmatism.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
IDIOT , THEY ARE ALREADY PAYING INCOME TAXES AND THEY ARE NOT EVEN FUCKING CITIZENS! In fact, the IRS published a report that shows that 75 percent of illegal immigrants Besides , we don't want ANYONE to pay income tax, let alone illeage immgrants. ITS obviously evident that you are a conservative and NOT a libertarian. You support an income tax obviously. You support welfare for for only white people. You should try Alexander Ortega and Stuart Anderson if you don't believe me.
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
@IndividualAutonomy "If the state collapses moron due to the economic strain there will be a new state moron because they are not libertarian."
I once heard a Libertarian speak on this issue and his theory was that through the collapse of the welfare state as a result of an overwhelming number of recipients(i.e. undocumented immigrant applicants), one less bureaucracy is used as a means to legitimize the State's existence, even though the fella was only a Minarchist, that seemed to make sense.
lookit87 1 year ago
@lookit87
Well the problem though is that the immigrants and the current population that is not libertarian would form another state. We would have more poor people and more non libertarian people with open borders. Many Marxists and other non-white nationalists call libertarianism Eurocentric lol. It is funny though because I can understand the non-white nationalists saying it but not the Marxists lol.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
@IndividualAutonomy Well then, let them! So long as they don't include you in the mix, I don't see why they shouldn't. And if they are as nationalistic as you make them all out to be(which is strange to me) then that's good for you seeing as how living in a multicultural society would be such a grievous burden to bear.
lookit87 1 year ago
@lookit87
An open border policy within the current context of the world and a collapsed/reformed state would be a disaster for myself in more ways than one. I would never advocate it lol. I am not a sucidial, religious libertarian like some. ha
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
@IndividualAutonomy Nah, it wouldn't unless you ARE a welfare recipient which I don't think you are or ever will be. Well, let me not be so rash, what is it about open borders that would be more of a disaster, EXACTLY?
Cause this whole, "they're not libertarian" argument is subject to change and frankly the whole "they are nationalist" argument seems a tad bit hypocritical and nonsensical since not all undocumented immigrants are from Mexico or even subscribe to the political beliefs of La Raza.
lookit87 1 year ago
@lookit87
You should come unto skype and we can discuss it further. youtube comment sections suck. PM me on youtube your skype.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
MORON , all of the poor received their taxes , NOT just illegal immigrants. Numerous reports from the IRS show that even though 50-75 percent of illegal immigrants pay into federal, local, and state taxes, they are less likely to be beneficiaries of the services that they pay into. MOST WHITE AMERICANS DONT WANT A FUCKING STATELESS SOCIETY EITHER , SHIT FOR BRAINS. EVEN IF YOU WERE TO RESTRICT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT ACCESS, THE WELFARE STATE WOULD PROBABLY CONTINUE TO GROW!
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
@IndividualAutonomy Actually, you may be wrong here. For an illegal immigrant to receive their income taxes back, they must file for them. The taxes are often collected on false SS numbers, therefore they don't file tax returns to get their money back out of fear of retribution for filing with fake numbers. They either need SS numbers or tax id numbers, both have to be obtained through the government. Illegals tend to not go after them. I know plenty of illegals that this is the case for.
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns
Do you have a source for this? I could not find anything. It of course is not a major position or really an important point, but for the future I won't use the argument if I can see evidence. I only brought it up because Pentazoid decided to bring up the income tax and how illegals pay into it and social security lol. What you say on this specific issue sounds plausible but I would like to see a citation of some sort.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
@IndividualAutonomy I was citing simple anecdotal evidence, however the SSA does hold these unclaimed taxes in a separate file called the "earnings suspense file". There is an article on Reason.org that relates to this
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ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns
Thanks.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
BULLSHIT. The border restrictions are practically non-existent for mexico for non-mexican immigrants compared to the border restrictions in the united states. When I entered from the US to mexico, there were no lines . When I went departed from mexico, I had to wait six fucking hours in line even though I was at the mexican-US border. Maybe Taylor did NOT say he wanted to kill the latino , he is willing to used anti-libertarian means to keep them out of the US.
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
@Pen
It is pretty well documented that Amnesty International has many more problems with Mexico's immigration and border patrol actions than the US. Just do a google search and compare. But I didn't want to speak with you again for a reason. You don't provide counter arguments, cite your claims (just give anecdotal info), etc. That is why I blocked you, no utility. It is intelligent to keep more populalist, anti libertarian racist nationalist against you immigrants out.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
I never said that MEXICO did NOT have any border problems you twat, I said that it is EASIER to cross MEXICO BORDER than it is to cross the UNITED STATES border and it is. Especially since 9/11. I don't provide counter arguments? I gave you examples of groups of people that supported statism such as evangelical christians and the jews and how you never bring them up when discussing your reasons for why hispanics should not be allowed in the US and you totally disregarded them.
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
@Pentazoid111
You have no stat for that that you have shown and Amnesty International disagrees with your personal anecdote. Again for the last time, there is political support for stopping Latino immigration and they have the numbers to do the most damage. Evangelical Christians are a dying breed and they are more libertarian than Latinos, a few protectionist ideas is not the end of the world and is cheaper than welfare/increased taxes. I already addressed this but again....
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
They are MORE libertarian than latinos ? Okay , this claim is coming Directly out of your ass. LAtinos have not tried to take the theory of evolution out of schools. Latinos have not attempted to promote censorship in the public square. Latinos have not tried to decide for me if I am allowed to drink alcohol or do any drugs. It hass been exclusively evangelicals that determine if I can have an abortion or not. Evangelicals may be dying off, but they are still very pominent in US politics.
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
@Pentazoid111
"When I entered from the US to mexico, there were no lines ."
LOL. The large groups of people who want to sneak into Mexico are not already living in the most advanced American countries. It is not the northern border which requires enforcement - kind of like how none of the patriots are screaming for a militarization of the US-Canada border, but more so.
blackacidlizzard 1 year ago
@IndividualAutonomy
Thanks for the well-thought out insight there, Lou Dobbs. Jared Taylor, for people who do not know, is similar to David Irving, providing intellectual fodder for white supremacist movements world wide. Taylor believes, among other things, that African-Americans are genetically inferior to whites, that black males have "hyper sex-drives," and races SHOULD be segregated. He has direct ties to racist organizations. Dude is a fucking loon.
AcousticDicks 1 year ago
@AcousticDicks
Genetically inferior in certain areas that relate to IQ and income and certain areas, not in other areas. There are genetic differences and blacks do have a higher level of testosterone on the aggregate. He is for free association, not government forced segregation though he does think people will overall segregate on a voluntary basis like they do in the many areas they are allowed to do it today. Nice job though trying to demonize the subject.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
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AcousticDicks 1 year ago
@IndividualAutonomy So Blacks can't do Math as well as Whites but they sure can pick some cotton for long periods of time.lol
Is that what you are claiming, Overmind?
lookit87 1 year ago
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AcousticDicks 1 year ago
@Acou
I don't think you are emotionally or intellectually stable enough to have this conversation so I will just leave it at IQ scores matter, it has more to do than just IQ but forms of creative intelligence, etc. I am not heavily knowledgeable on the subject so I don't make videos with it as my main argument. I will just say that 97% of notable scientific figures from 800BC to 1950 have come from "the West". I don't care what you do are don't care about. You got his position incorrect.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
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AcousticDicks 1 year ago
@AcousticDicks
I really don't think you are based on your earlier comments, but thanks for the amateur psychology. Of course there are different ideas and measurements of intelligence. However, IQ tests I am referring to are not "culturally biased". Asians actually do the best strictly on IQ. IQ heavily correlates with income and the productivity of a society. IQ measures visual intelligence, the ability to deductively reason, spacial intelligence, memorization etc
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
@IndividualAutonomy
There are differences in scores. But you infer that racial groups are genetically dissimilar and conclude that one group is innately more intelligent than another. Race isn't a valid biological construct. You find that in IQ scores, there is more IQ variation among people of a particular "race" than there is variation between scores of different "races."
Once you account for environmental confounds, the IQ scores between races will become insignificant.
AcousticDicks 1 year ago
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Pentazoid111 1 year ago
You mean like , the scientific method, scientific inquiry, algebra, inductive logic, spherical trigonometry, peer reviewed study, the introduction of the number zero into the number system, rudimentary dentistry, dental surgery, .... oh wait, all of those inventions came from the medivial islamic world. Western civilization has greatly contributed to the advancement of the human species, but to say they mostly did that is BS. Without the islamic world, europe would be stuck in the dark ages
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
@Pentazoid111 The modern scientific method wasnt in vogue until about 100 years ago. And it came from European philosophy . (especially karl popper) . Scientific inquiry goes back to greeks like thales. Inductive logic comes from Aristotle. The word algerbra comes from arabs, but the math its self comes from Greece. Scientific peer reviews didnt come about until the 1600's (from Europe).Zero goes WAY back to Babylonian way before islam . Dentistry comes from asia and way predates islam.
spawktalk 1 year ago
@spawktalk
Pentazoid is delusionial. Don't bother with him lol! Better to just ignore him.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
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spawktalk 1 year ago
@spawktalk
LOL!
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
100 years ago? You are completely ignorant of world history. The scientific method was used in the islamic world before it was used throughout europe. Ali al-Rahwi documented the first process of peer review studies. The scientific method was applied in his book of Opticssuch as making an observation , then formulating a hypothesis , then making an experiment , and formulating a conclusion. Dentistry may be predate islam, but the fact is much of the modern world reach islam first b4 europe.
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
@Pentazoid111 The scientific method was literally used all through history. That does not contradict my comment. We value the scientific method because of the supposed epistemological soundness of it, and the things it has produced. The epistemology and products of it were developed by Europeans. It wasn't in vogue, nor was it worth shit, until till the Europeans got it. (and they did not get it from Arabs )
" Dentistry may be predate islam" then you were wrong. You lied, the end.
spawktalk 1 year ago
@spawktalk Spawk needs a history lesson.
brainpolice2 1 year ago
@brainpolice2
Brainpolice needs an argument.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
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Pentazoid111 1 year ago
Persian mathematician Nasīr al-Dīn al-Tūsī treated spherical trigonometry as its own mathematical discipline and formulated pretty much the law of sines for plane triangles , stated the law of sines and the law of tangents for spherical triangles. Al-Jayyani wrote what many scholars considered to be the first treatise on spherical trigonometry in a book entitled The book of unknown arcs of a sphere where many mathematics historians see spherical trigonometry first written in its modern form.
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
@Pentazoid111 So now the claim is that hte math was done other places, but muslims drew the conceptual lines? Fail.
spawktalk 1 year ago
@spawktalk Zero is not Babylonian. The Babylonians held a concept of a place holder similar to zero, but not zero. The Greeks held that "zero" couldn't exist because nothing cannot be something. The first use of Zero as we know it today (within the confines of decimal places, a marker between positive and negative, as placed at the end of a number like 260) came from India in the 5th century.
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@spawktalk Likewise, something similar to algebraic geometry was used by the Greeks, but not until al-Khwarizmi did the idea of negation of like terms on opposing sides of the equation and reduction enter into the math, thus defining what we now know as algebra. The rest of your analysis is correct.
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
The rest of his analysis is correct? He is incorrect about the peer review process first appearing in europe in the 1600's because the peer review process was documented in medieval islamic texts such as the Book of Optics and ethics of the physicians .
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
The math is self comes from greece? the history of rudiments of algebra date back to ancient india, babybolonia and egypt . Linear and quadratic equations were solved by the ancient babylonians. Abu Kamil , solved and wrote down the basic laws and identities for for algebra. Omar Khayhan wrote down the roots of the cubic equations by applying intersecting conics. More historical documents shows that Linear algebra was borrowed from Ancient indian mathematics way before the 20th century.
Pentazoid111 1 year ago 2
@Pentazoid111 Lets assume what you just said was true. In that case, algerbra still was not created by Muslims. Duh.
spawktalk 1 year ago
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@spawktalk "The word algerbra comes from arabs, but the math its self comes from Greece." Ehhh no, a simple search into the timeline of Algebra could easily demonstrate otherwise. Algebra is the best example of a diverse network of cultures culminating into one systematic method of understanding numbers relations. Algebra is an amalgamation of cultural influences by the Indians, Greeks, Persians, Arabs, Egyptians, Babylonians, and Chinese.
lookit87 1 year ago
Still waiting for you to refute all of the refutations I made to your claims about the origins of science and mathematics.
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
@Pentazoid111 Spherical trig comes from greece. Did you literally make every single claim up? Or did someone lie to you about a whole range of academic subjects?
spawktalk 1 year ago
@Pentazoid111 Now, I believe I responded to everything. If you want to respond to me then fine , but stop harrasing me like your 5 years old.
spawktalk 1 year ago
The video is a speech from 1998. These were quotes from leading political and academic Latino figures in California and elsewhere. Numerous Native Americans tried to use European Powers to their advantage and were imperialist as well. 60% of Mexicans want to take the Southwest of the United States and 70% of the immigrants identify as Latino or Mexican. There are groups like La Raza, the Brown Berets, etc that make this clear and make similar statements.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
@IndividualAutonomy Do you even know any Mexicans? I know quite a few, I grew up in a highly Hispanic area. La Raza does not represent the Mexicans I know, with the exception of maybe one. 99 % of the Hispanics I know aren't like La Raza. Statistical facts from my studies, and I, too, can use fallacies to blast the subject/object distinction out of the water, exactly the same way Taylor can.
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns
Except we have the studies. 60% want the Southwest, 70% of Hispanic citizens identify as Mexican or Latino. Leading political and academic figures calling for Mexican nationalism and Latino racial identity as well as reconquering the Southwest of the US while gloating about a weakened white population telling them to die. These are obvious problems. Ones that you and others wish to ignore and then after not accepting the stats you don't even cite your own claimed stats.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
@IndividualAutonomy First, calling a poll (informal) a study (formal) is giving it more weight than deserved. Second, don't pull the "provide your own stats" shit, as I have in past responses provided plenty of links (which you chose to dismiss out of hand, I might add). This video I responded to had nothing but assertions made by Taylor, backed up with the only the statements of some people he claims represent the majority. I guess his assertions are fine because you agree with them, huh?
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns
I addressed you citiations with Wise...and you yourself admited according to your studies that poverty was not the main indiciator of crime in every journal you could find. You did better than most in actually atempting to respond but not to all of my links. However, I am not even refering to that. I am refering to what you just stated to me in the last comment, "Statistical facts from my studies" not citation.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
@IndividualAutonomy The "statistical facts from my studies" was a joking reference to my personal experience with Hispanics. The point of it was that my experience with Hispanics is as valid as the few people Taylor quotes in so far as they are as likely to represent the whole of Mexicans as the other. If I referenced personal allegories, you would scream fallacy, but when he takes a handful of quotes from Hispanics, you make a video to support your argument.
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns
These are leading Latino figures voted for by Latinos or leaders of their organizations, not some crank Mexicans off the street or a few no body Latinos. Like I said we have group polls. They have weight. They are relevant they show nationalism, populalism, and racism against whites and Americans which is what I am worried about. I am not suicidal in that respect. I thought you actually had a stat but if you don't then I guess I have no further response.
IndividualAutonomy 1 year ago
Seems like you have quite a few emotional appeals yourself. The "Us vs. Them" is human nature and denying that and disregarding the group solely for the individual is what kills the libertarian movement imo.
Let's say that beyond any doubt Jared's arguments are true, what then?
UcanbeGOD 1 year ago
@UcanbeGOD I guess if Jared Taylor's arguments are true we should round up all Mexicans in this country into train cars, ship them to work camps, and perhaps even eventually gas them. Or maybe that's just me being facetious. Good thing his arguments are bullshit, huh?
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns
It's a good thing there is so much clarity and non-emotion in Jared's opposition. After all, white "racists" are the only ones worth mentioning. I wish I saw all these anti-racist folks getting emotionally charged over anti-white sentiment, be it fringe or not.
UcanbeGOD 1 year ago
@UcanbeGOD No, racism is racism. It is all irrational. Do I deny "racism" in the people Taylor quotes? Absolutely not, of course they are racist. Does this transpose over the entire population? No. Is Jared Taylor a racist? Yes. Are all whites therefore racist? No. Are all Libertarians racist? No. Are the ones who use racist arguments to support their positions? Possibly. At no point did I say, nor have I ever said, that there weren't racists on the other side. Strawman much?
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns No strawman I just noticed that people bash more heavily white racists.
"Racism" as in desiring to be around your own kind is not irrational it is a part of evolution. Your essentially asking people to drop that.
UcanbeGOD 1 year ago
@UcanbeGOD I have no problem with individuals choosing to be around whomever they desire, that's called freedom. Something can be apart of evolution and still be irrational, ie belief in deities, fear of the dark, xenophobia, love, etc. Evolution doesn't always produce the rational, only the utilitarian. In our history, humans have had a reason for these things, and in some cases still do, but that doesn't make it rational.
ThePunkReturns 1 year ago
@ThePunkReturns I think that depends on the goals desired.
Really though, what would your opinion be if what Jared says is true i.e. Mexicans will increase the size of government and wipe out whites in the process? Do races not have freedom? What about the Kurds, do they not have the "right" to fight and establish a land all for themselves?
UcanbeGOD 1 year ago
@UcanbeGOD There are quite a lot of people who get emotionally charged over anti-white sentiment but you can't expect all of them to be like that, now do you? I certainly don't expect racist of any stripe to acknowledge the wrongfulness of racially motivated actions on their "race's" part. It's this kind of talk that only hinders discussion more than anything. I think you only posted this comment because it justifies racism that is closely linked with moral self-righteousness.
lookit87 1 year ago
@lookit87 The justification for racism is that there is nothing wrong with it in the first place.
UcanbeGOD 1 year ago
@UcanbeGOD There are many things wrong with it. For instance, a belief that people that are not your race are inferior to you without acknowledging individual merit and the diversity within a demographic. Any by "wrong" I presume you mean, in terms of ethics, well even if I concede that there are no moral precepts to dictate what should be done to hateful thoughts directed at a group of people, I view racism as erroneous and thus retarded.
lookit87 1 year ago
@lookit87 Racism is about more than having better morals. Its also about intelligence , time preference, and economic productivity. :)
spawktalk 1 year ago
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theracemixer 1 year ago
Jasrd is very smart guy hence he is not going to advocate violence because doing so will get his ass in jail,however the way he talks is egging someone to commit violence...
theracemixer 1 year ago