Air Powered Engine

[huchcha19]

@djrock9000 OK cool thanks anyways :-)

[huchcha19]

@djrock9000 yeah but to time the solenoid you are using a magnet along with a reed switch right? any method in which you can power the solenoid without the use of a magnetic switch?

[djrock9000]

@huchcha19 Yep there is a magnetic switch in use. Not sure what other method could be used. Some sort of mechanical system like a cam shaft in a car would be better. That would involve a whole lot more work though. :)

[huchcha19]

I just have one question, how long will the reed switch last as i have read elsewhere that it has a very short life span ~100000 cycles, not very useful on a motor thats supposed to do atleast 2500rpm. How long did it last for you??

[djrock9000]

@huchcha19 I really didn't give it much time to work to find out how long it would last. I am sure if an engine would be powered like this it would all be mechanical so there would be no need for a magnetic switch. :)

[christophers1247]

Running an engine in air is not very efficient the power used to compress air to a usable psi is much greater than the power output possible plus and air powered engine will have no usable torque as it is easily stalled.

[9875ization]

you know I was talking with someone and it was mentioned A HUGE PVC PIPE converted to a tank and put on wheels I Think my world is headed, this the new crotch rocket. One big tank that is for now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[roadblockin]

i must say very interesting didnt think it would even work but with our economy the way it is maybe u can see about some kind of patend and maybe come up with a scooter of some sort ran by air, my kids had one ran by a weed eater engine if u could figure out a way to run it with an alternatori think u got something

[salmasalamahmed]

that is of NO use at all .

[djrock9000]

@salmasalamahmed Of course it has no use. Its what we call a learning project or a prototype. The idea, however, is very useful.

[Pierre5484]

Why is the sprinkler solenoid power supply saying LOL at 1:35?!

I think that it's kind of funny. Nice Project anyway. does the engine make enough tourqe to drive an alternator? If it can, it can charge a battery and power a 12V air compressor!!

[djrock9000]

@Pierre5484 Thats funny. I never noticed that. Good eye on that one. I never got the chance to test the torque on it but I don't think it was very much. The key with this projects is the volume of air is a little more important than the pressure. I think the 12v compressor might not do it. My small compressor was running constantly after I started.

[billybobjojj161]

can you do it to a lawnmower engine?

[djrock9000]

@billybobjojj161 I have not tried it but it might be pretty cool to do some time.

[minibikerider1]

@billybobjojj161 you can do it to any engine even a v8 but 2 strokes you cant because there is no oil in the crankcase any more because of no mixed gas so you need a 4 stroke or a 2 stroke that wont run long lol

[amazinghybrid]

check out the Aussie guy at Engineair... seems like the most efficient compressed air motor I've found.

[Haywire6000]

Um.... You do realize that after awhile the bearings in the engine will wear more quickly due to the lack of 2cycle oil.... LOLS I just realized the guy below said the same thing.

[djrock9000]

@Haywire6000 Yeah they would probably seize up I think a different type of engine would be better. On that keeps the oil in the crank case maybe.

[Learnthethingsido]

Hey man you need some kind of lubrication source, Just for your into that will seize up. lol

[djrock9000]

@Learnthethingsido Yeah at the time I wasn't thinking about that but since I have abandoned the project for now its not too big of a problem :)

[Learnthethingsido]

@djrock9000 Oh ok. Ya i just wanted to tell ya.

[tedjpsherk]

There's an ex-Formula One engineer, Guy Negre, who's built a commercializable compressed air motor. Haven't heard much about it lately, but at one time India's largest motor company was considering manufacturing them.

[djrock9000]

@tedjpsherk That would be cool.

[Treddtruck]

Do you know what control system or what types of control systems that would would work to control the solenoid? Also, did the control system you have come with the magnet attached to it? thanks alot for the answers! Im attempting to make one of these.

[djrock9000]

@Treddtruck - The best and most efficient design would incorporate a better solenoid valve. One that is designed for high pressure. The one I used is just a sprinkler valve which uses low pressure. I think a 12volt pneumatic valve with a 12volt power supply would work. You could use the same magnetic switch setup I used. The magnetic switch can be purchased separately very cheaply. Somewhere around $2 or so. It is wired just like a light switch. I used the magnet in the motor to trip the switch.

[Treddtruck]

@djrock9000 Ya know whats weird, I finally got the motor running, its a two stroke, and I dont need the magnetic switch, as long as the air is routed through the solenoid, it will run in full rotations. I dont have any clue why this happens because when the air goes directly into the motor the motor will pulsate or do half rotations....!?

[djrock9000]

@Treddtruck - I had an issue with mine that made me have to use the valve with the switch. If I just routed air through the spark plug hole, it would rotate till the piston was down and then stop. I think there was to much pressure and not enough force to bring the piston back up while the air was still at full pressure.

[Treddtruck]

@djrock9000 I dont know, ive used my motor at 110 psi and its still gone in full rotations

[boyscouts2010]

freaking awesome!!!!!!!!

[djrock9000]

@boyscouts2010 - Thanks. I had fun making it. I need to get back into this stuff.

[legox50]

LOL!! I have a toy air powered car! And it works almost the same way!

[djrock9000]

@legox50 - I originally got my idea from the AirHog air powered toy airplane. Google it and you will see what I mean.

[TheManz1993]

very clever desigh .. wish i could do shit like that lol

[qazwas4321]

that part is a magneto

[lukeyj15]

i had an engine identical to this, damn, i threw it out

[vossua]

Way cool little engine design dude!

[djrock9000]

@vossua - Thanks.

[shloop4]

neat concept, maybe an engine w/ valves would be easier since you could hook up air/steam

[deuctewelle]

lubrication will be a problem. This engine originally works with oil-fuel mixed. How would you mix oil with air. Other form of lubrication with added complications

[djrock9000]

@deuctewelle - I think lubrication might be solved by using some sort of injection method. Maybe even inline with the air hose using an inline air tool lubricator. Maybe set it on high and have a dedicated oil line running to it to avoid having to refill the lubricator. I would just need to make sure it is getting enough oil.

[SuperKONR]

I just finished mine. Yours runs way better.

[bpm009]

I used your video to make my own model and i was able to put all the parts into one long piece with a similar design. thanks for the video it helped on my science fair project. i plan on mounting it to a bike soon

[djrock9000]

@bpm009 - Glad I could help. Some time in the future i want to try and return to this project because it is so popular. Maybe even go down the road of hydrogen powering an engine. I always liked those videos.

[adamtreyhyatt]

the solinoid makes it run better but is not needed. o ya and this go's 2 RAM4486: it would work on a car if the car was a 2 cycle but that doesnt happen often. or you could screw with the cam shaft and get the timein right. either way it would b much harder than this

[RaNdOmNiSsS]

i saw them experiment with highly compressed air at the speed of sound to power one of there record breaking airplanes pritty neat to see it done this way though

[christopherhicks82]

Not your invention but still cool I like to see people thinking outside the box

[djrock9000]

In a small way I take a little credit for it . Not for the whole idea but the process I used. Not everyone uses the exact same parts and ideas. But yes there are people who have had this idea before I did. I just used a different method.

[crazyfvck]

"brucekirk89".. His compressor is powered by a motor, not a gas engine.

[djrock9000]

Yep exactly. Its powered by a small electric motor that compresses the air. Not very efficient but there are probably many other ways to generate the compressed air. Maybe wind mills?

[brucekirk89]

The compressor than ran into it runs on gas

[djrock9000]

No it runs on electricity. :)

[RAM4486]

do a normal car engine.

[djrock9000]

I would give it a try if I had the room to store a car to work on. Probably not going to happen in the near future! Great idea though.

[cambigfoot88]

magnito

[JoeFugallo]

did you say basically enough?

[mdivinc]

Not very effecient? I'm surprised the lights in the neighborhood don't dim when you run it!

[cappydawg]

if ran off of steam it can be quite efficient

[codydean10]

why would it

[djrock9000]

@mdivinc - Why would that happen? Its just an air compressor.

[Joeyad4]

why do u have to put sulinoids on. every video i see they do that. i made mine( will be posting it soon) without one and works fine

[djrock9000]

As far as the solenoid goes, I put it on there just to control the air on and off. I guess you might not need it. I have not tried it without the solenoid. As of a few weeks ago I have thrown this project out... Unfortunately! I needed to make room for my upcoming projects with computers. I will still answer questions though!

[loweylegend]

is that doing 360 or 180 then back

thats what mine dose

[coondogtheman1234]

more like electric and air powered engine. the solenoid and the air compressor and that white thing all use electric power. but other than that its cool how you got a 2 cycle gas engine to run on air.

[djrock9000]

I suppose you could use solar power with a battery.

[carlosponti]

the old steam cars could squirt a little oil into the steam to lube the piston you could build an oiler system for air tools and do the same just a little oil going into the line to lubricate it

[djrock9000]

True...Very true! I could have purchased an air tool oiler attachment for inline hose oiling!

[pirosteve]

I bet dad was pissed when he found out you killed the weed whacker and the sprinkler.

[hzuiel]

He doesn't sound like a kid, chances are that might be his weed whacker, his air compressor, and his house.

[djrock9000]

True, true, and not so true. Weed whacker and compressor are mine but the house isn't.

[djrock9000]

I purchased the weed whacker from a garage sale for $20. So...naw he wasn't pissed.

[usacjc]

thanks man.

[usacjc]

do you have totake off gas parts?

[UGLandrum]

Yes as they are not needed for anything, on my 3hp Tecumseh, I have no carb, no governor, as it would not be useable with air pressure and you need combustion and a carb to use the original governor, an electronic timing device linked to the solinoid circuit, with a variable electric controlled flow valve would work, if you needed such a thing, you know there is commom sense also lol, and popoff valve linked to the chamber too might be a good idea to keep from overspeeding, sorry I ramble.

[gatrwrks]

You are a well tanlented person indeed! :)

[djrock9000]

Thanks, I have many other projects I should put on the Tube but I didn't have the time..I think I will start adding them soon.

[creamyfilling102]

a 2 stroke?  so no lubrication i'm guessing

[raulvideo]

to much energy.

is better if you convert the air pressure into rotate ???? is a secret) alternator and get free energy and you Engine get the air and more than 80amps free! with 200 PSI of pressure. very simple. you can creat hho and explode the hho into the tank so you get 4 time more air pressure simple@

[AndrewRigdizzle]

first of all, remove the magneo, its unnecesary and creates drag.'

next,remove the reed valve from the insice of the crankcase(on the other side of intake port) so there wont be resistanse in the case on the down stroke,

lastly, have less of a distance between your solinoid and the engine, your loosing the timing/response.

Ive done it before with similiar engines.

Great start

[immigranter]

is this a 2 stroke engine? it looks like it is.

[mktim69]

Are you working on a lawnmore that will actually cut the grass? How much PSI do you think you would need to run it?

[austinrussellw]

(Continued from below) OK now you ask, why does it work? The engine you are using normally runs on gas/oil. The engine internaly combusting the fuel which creates force/hot air to push the piston down then up, down then up with each explosion. All you have done is replace the explosion with air pressure which makes the piston go up and down or basically around and around inwhich turns that thingamahjig aroun and around that is connected to the crankshaft in which will ultimatly turn a tire or ?

[austinrussellw]

(Continued from below) Your compressor will need to be plugged it to the wall inorder to have the electric engine to move the airpump to create the air that is pumped into your compressors tank which inreturn travels through the hose to an adjustable pressure valve (to control engine speed) then to a pressure gauge on to the engine. (Remember just because you unplug the compressor from the wall after filling the tank does not mean you are not using elictricty because it is not pluged in)it was!!

[austinrussellw]

(continued from below) OK now you know how to control the throtle. How about the oil? You should not have to worry about the oil as the engine is running on air and not producing as much heat as a combustion engine "only friction" the aluminum should disapate the heat just fine for short periods. Now the only way to have a self-sustaing engine would be by using magnets which is awhole different ball game, look up (magnet engines)

[austinrussellw]

OK kids f.y.i. "for your information" If you have no fuel you need no spark. If you need no spark, you need no magneto. If you have no magneto, you have no timing. OK withn that said I commend your efforts, without your efforts we would have no inventors. Without inventors we would have no progress! So you want to propel an engine with air? First eliminate sprinkler, hook air hose to a manual air control valve then to spark plug opening, this will give you control of engine speed like a throtle

[sdably]

try moving the little switch thing to where the magneto used to be or slightly after it makes it faster well it worked on mine

[sabaqat]

cool, thank you for explaining it so well. i'm sure you can improve it so it doesn't stall, if you haven't already.

[gruszczynski811170]

What did you do to compensate for the pressure build-up due to the piston moving up. I m trying to make one myself with a similar engine, and i can't get it to fully run due to the pressure from the piston moving up

[coolrobbins69]

hey dude you could tap another spark plug hole in the head and put an exhaust solenoid on and would increase efficency and you also can grind the cam intake and weld the spot same as exhaust any other ?s hola let me know how that works

ps im workin with pwm hydrogen project

[shinleg]

hey that's pretty cool i only watched the first four minutes though

forgive me if i'm incorrect but the title is a bit misleading as you got to plug the air compressor into the wall and it's technically an electricity powered engine?

this stuff is fascinating though and it looks like you really havea huge playground to muck around with this sort of stuff? it's funny you said you don't actually know anything about engines? perhaps you got to do an electric engineering course or something?

[snhp9]

no its still air powered because the plug is to the this that is just there basecly for show i did the same thing but i did not use that device it was no plugs at all. he is doing it to regulate it more smoothly

oh and this is for djrock put the magnet switch closer to the magneto

[PieLordPdRocks4]

nice

[Javadawg001]

You can use a standard air valve. The solenoid would work better if you could add more swithces and measure the time period the pressue is applied. With a two stroke engine, I would mark the flywheel at TDC and at the point where the piston just uncovers the exhaust port.

[Javadawg001]

If you mount the magnetic swithes close to the magnet, you can time your power to get real efficiency. Add more switches in parallel to extend the time the air is active on the top of the piston. fun rpoject - have fun - looks cool

[ricky231073]

so all you are doing here is converting the input electric that powers the compressor that powers a piston engine

if the input to power the compressor is 2hp

and the output on the air engine is 1hp you are in affect losing 1hp in the conversion bad plan but looks cool

[sirmikeydotcom]

Would be cool if the postal service would revert to a pressurized tubing, right into our mailbox. Groceries too...

[nitroman8669]

I have also tried a similar setup only difference being a reserve tank at the inlet of the sprinkler valve for added capacity and second not using the solenoid electrically. If you open the manual lever under the solenoid to about the center of it's throw and start the engine by hand the pulsation of the piston returning to TDC back feeds manually lifting the plunger off of it's seat eliminating the need for an external timing device.

[Jherrin6]

As far as lubrication they have some oil lubricants for air compressors I think that might work. I am not exactly sure how to hook it up, but at work it is in a bowl that flows in to the tubing on the air compressor.

[MdNitroRacing]

Cool, cool

[eolsunder]

yes nothing is self sufficient. Everything has to have some source of power to run. Nothing produces its own power, otherwise we would have unlimited power in the world. Thats the crux, everyone wants to invent a self-sufficient power source, but there isn't such a thing.

[scotty332003]

try rigging a compressor to it, surely it would run forever!!

[Cornelius198918]

try holding the sensor to the solenoid closet to the magneto...that is where the spark is picked up and that is where the motor is at top dead center so it will run faster and smoother

[SgtExplosion]

Its a pretty good system, to try it out though id link it to like a kinda makeshift car *just a model not a full scale one* and test it, see if it works and stuff like that. Also, keep inventing ways to get lubrication, all you need is some lubricants on your piston/s and it'll most likely be smoother. Oh and also, gj making that, its rlly creative, keep on inventing and goodluck! :D

[FTWMikeDero]

reed switch

[salemcripple]

Pretty cool! One problem i see is, that this is a two stroke engine (this would only work with a two stroke, without desighning a cam shaft). And most two strokes get their lubrication from the fuel they burn. This is why you have to add oil to the gassoline. So without fuel, there is no oil, without oil it will burn up soon. By the way, that "thing" is called the magneto, it picks up the magnetic feild from the magnet, amplifyes it, then sends it to the spark plug.

[josmelton]

actually the know air car is Called the MDI the design is retared and the car is a dog. With my setup my car can push statistically 700 some horse without gas or crude oil and it is a 100% self sufficient without the need to stop at a gas station to refill or recharge anything its all in itself..Im a designer and someday when this is on the market..buy one

[ArrowHead83]

Nope, learn some physics. Something can't be 100% self sufficient. You have to have SOME source of power, even if it's "free" like solar.

[josmelton]

ya ok...and that would be the difference between you and me....Im making money and your not on creating something 100% self sufficient...watch the news!!!!you might have seen it on there then would have w/e

[ArrowHead83]

Wow, try writing in English next time.

[dually681]

and you willgo the way of Stan Meyer if what you say si true. keep a low profile and youll be around for a long time.. best of luck...

[UGLandrum]

Why what happend to Stan Meyer? and what was he working on?

[josmelton]

ya ok...and that would be the difference between you and me....Im making money and your not on creating something 100% self sufficient...watch the news!!!!you might have seen it on there then would have w/e

[randomguy9898]

your retarded, NOTHING is self sufficient. energy has to be lost as friction, and there has to be a source.

[josmelton]

whatever your a worthless piece of sh**, none bleiving "lets give up" loser...youll see when CAT starts producing my engines for their semis dumb a**

[bunoboy380]

im your freind, but that was a bit harsh

[prentis45]

I find it hard to believe the guy in the video made this air Powered engine.

[upcycle]

FYI for everyone interested in air powered vehicles, check out the airpoweredvehicles youtube group, for posting video, and for topic discussion. If you need exact url for the group, send me a private message and I will send to you. Youtube doesn't let people post web addresses in comments.

[josephdupont]

they have impact valves.. when the piston comes up it opens the valve like a tire valve.

there is enought momentum in the fly wheel to

keep it moving.

[josmelton]

Actually I have the first copywrite patent for the very first conversion kit for air powered engine I started with a small .9 hp weed wacker engine...i trippled the horespower and torque which meausured 18.75ft lbs...but to receive an output of that amount that guy has to have a 120plus 100%duty cycle air compressor..I was on Fox News GoodMorning show in NY and they flew me there but that enigne is about ready to die its spinning maby

[josephdupont]

I believe that car airconditioning compressors can act as a air motor.

you have to put an oiler in line.

if you preheat the air you have to double the range.

[josmelton]

actually for my "Air Powered Lawn Mower",also very popular, I used a phnumatic air pump basically what you are sujestion but from an airplane...no oil is needed because I have the insides are carbon graphite a self lubricating material...its about 4in in diameter and I measured 6hp from the the spinning blade...GOOD Idea i like how you think

[matman1490]

you mayu think your a 'smart' designer' but you write like a dysleksic second grader. It's called a 'copyright', as in you are asking for the 'rights' to a design, not a 'copywrite'. Also, a copyright covers the written documents detailing a design, not the design itself, which is covered by a patent.

Look it up first before flaming someone.

[ggalindo]

you should make it portable

[benguy123]

yeah just using water pressure and some electric valves, quite the power, plus the pressure of a 1200 PSI pressure washer pump

[apekd]

i made one out of steel that has maybe 20ccs...i have it running off of 140 psi and it can reach more than 200 psi.....ill post a vid of it when i get a clip of it...but off of 140 psi it hits foughly 3000 for 3500 rpm NO PROBLEM....the only real problem is the crank is bolted in and it likes to fly off, so some thread locker would keep it on....later dude

[djrock9000]

All i need now is some way of regenerating air from the engine's power. May not be possible though as that would be like taking a moter and an alternator and putting inline on a belt giving it a spin and it keep going. It just isnt possible without some other source of power (electricity, gas, propane, more compressed air, ect.).

[atlasdaddy]

Coil?

[djrock9000]

Nope, I romoved everything electrical from the engine. Its just air. It is similar to an air tool in your garage!

[atlasdaddy]

Do you have any issues with lubrication?

[jacktharippares]

kinda sounds like an old diesel

[williamhydrogenguy]

Very interesting. Very creative. Thanks for sharing.

[djrock9000]

Yeah no problem! I like to show people what I like doing. I am a very creative person and when I come up with ideas, I work through them.

[gatrwrks]

Can you make another video of this? :)

[djrock9000]

Unfortunately I can't as I have abandoned this project. I might try to get a bigger engine to try this on though in the future.

[jack9102]

use a old lawnmower engine

[tonyinfinity]

Whats the point of this?!

[12079385332]

the point of this is that he is tinkering "being creative" what are you doing? -inventor in maine-

[tonyinfinity]

I know he is "being creative" shit dick. There is no reason to use an air compressor to power an engine! Its pointless it cant be used in any application. Thats like using a gas engine to power a motor, pointless! As for what im doing? Are you implying that im sitting around not doing anything with my life because i commented on this video? Your a moron! I just finished building a Roadster, and no its not a kit. I should profit about $17000. How much do you think he got for this?

[djrock9000]

I didn't sell it. Its not worth anything but my creativity and knowlege. Now that is priceless!

[Turbo617]

Nice! You managed to retrofit 19th century technology into a 20th century engine!

[benguy123]

I've done that with a snow blower engine and water, its very powerfull

[hboy007]

I like this one, too. Nice how you made that little thing from scrap

[sybra3006]

hey try this move the soliniod valve as close to the head as possible then use a fast acting valve 12 volt coil DC this will run it much faster i built one using a 5 hp briggs and stratton and it will scare me at 120 psi and runs real smooth good video Ps i used a 3 way asco valve got it used

[RainJetSprinklers]

No lubrication what so ever where you took off the carb i would put a lubrication system.

[kewlolicious]

patent that before the ban on 2 cycle engines

[djrock9000]

I removed the magneto. Much more speed. I have not had the time to dig into it deeper. I think when I get some time I will move the solenoid closer to the engine. Technically, this way of running the engine is not very efficient. the air (ideally) would enter where the fuel enters. This engine is a single piston weed whacker engine. I know it's (NOT ROCKET SCIENCE) BUT it is neat. I personally didn't think it wa going to work.

[SacrificialMullet]

Jeremiah, you refer to this as "kinda neat". This is outstanding. Make the time to continue with it.

The guy who mentioned lubrication in the absence of a carby has a point. 2 strokes get their lubrication from the oil added to the petrol. Also make sure you use a moisture trap on your air-line.

If anyone makes any disparaging remarks like "it's not rocket science" just ask them: "have you made anything like this lately?"

[BugsCoke]

You can run any two-stroke motor on air (it's not rocket science). I would remove the magneto and coil for the spark plug because it causes friction, slowing down your motor (unless you want it to go slower and like getting shocked).

[mollypierucci]

wow. have you patented that yet?? :)

[djrock9000]

No I don't think I will either. Its to simple. Now if I could make a conversion kit for small engines that would be cool. But it still isn't efficient.

[bsvwrabit]

Good work keep it up. If you shorten your pipe from the sprinkler solenoid to the engine head you should get a better timming and power