Codex Space Marines Vs. Black Templar Space Marine Build Warhammer 40,000

[skrednodnarb]

Well fuck, what the hell have I been building this ultramarine army for? Can I play ultramarines off of the templar codex given I include the emperor's champion?

[Deathpro2295]

Don't get me rong black templar are awesome but rhinos are 55 points and chaplain with assault terminators gets rerolls and cato has tank hunter on a squad. But I agree templar are awesome but I still think u should list some space marine codex special units like the legion of the dammed or vanguard assault marines stuff like that. But just to say again and black templar is a good army im just saying

[mjbusmc57]

Black Templars are the sweeeeetnes.

[kevinburnsrules]

i knew absolutly nothing about anything that you were talking about because i dont know anything about the rules of warhammer 40k tabletop game just the Dawn of Wars

[kevinburnsrules]

"No Pity! No Remorse! No Fear!" even though those black templars look like red templar

[TheChosen1337]

Could do with some black templars in this vid lol

[GearShotgun]

i heard they're making a new black templar's codex. thats the good news. now in some cruel twist straight out of warhammer's dark gothic theme, Matt Ward is supposed to be writing it.

[AnangeredMouse]

@GearShotgun I'm new to Warhammer 40k, Why does everyone hate this Matt Ward guy?



[GearShotgun]

@AnangeredMouse pretty much everyone i know who plays WH40 says that he keeps making shit up for whatever army he's writing and no one bothers to balance it so he just does whatever hell he wants the gray knights basic infantry choice can all have storm bolters and power weapons at the same time for only 2 extra points each, he also thinks the ultra marines should be the most powerful army in the game because in the fluff they're supposed to be the best space marines they're are

[PretentiousPainters]

EXECUTING YOUR ORDERS SIR!!

[aames103]

what about the differences and which is better Dark Angels or Black templar

PLEEZEEE respond

[PretentiousPainters]

@aames103 YEH I AGREE!! DARK ANGELS VS BT

[tmkerr]

That looks a C:SM army to me, not BT. Don't be that guy that jumps from book to book just to win games.

[colonelchris92]

I like the black templars because they remind me of the Crusades back during the wars between Christendom and the Seljuk Turks and Egyptian Islamists. Ha. BURN HERETICS

[TheKillmeifucan]

i picked templars cause i liked their armor color and i have the basic black and white.

[Melee2Kil]

There not black

[mcrjay23]

you can still take another hq choice n it makes the emperors champion an elite..pretty cool

[fozzy1985ch]

I could smash theme with my 13th coy.......lol

[AGrumpyPanda]

@fozzy1985ch I hope you play Imperial Guard, 'cos otherwise you're talking an all-scout army.

[pimpwacker]

when you say that only templars let assault terminators re-roll failed hits and wounds you aren't quite right, all you have to do is add a chaplain (and a sanguinary priest for bloody angels for the feel no pain and furious charge) and they will be re-rolling basically everything on the charge, and really, if the enemy survives the charge your doing it wrong.

then again, the blood angels codex is completely op.

[ashdog66]

blood angels are better, 18 inch vehicle moves off road motha fucka

[AGrumpyPanda]

@ashdog66 Welcome to Commoragh. 36 inch move.

[ahystericallaughter]

Do you use these Templars as Blood Angels sometimes?

[ragiskel]

wait i have aquestion can you paint your army like dark angels but still have them follow bt rules

[1996ragnar]

Hey! Decided to start a black templar army. Can i just buy a space marine tactical squad, paint them black and call them black templars? is "Legal"?

[bannedstory01234]

@1996ragnar that is how your suppose to do it . there are no black Templar marines. although there is a black templar upgrade set, but it is just filled with a lot of black templar bits. other than special character hq and sword brethren, you just need to paint space marines black templar colours.

[sutton123454]

i'm somewhat new to warhammer, i have warhammer from when i was 13 and now im 21 and getting back into it, i like to hear any suggestings on building an army, i have two HQ's i don't know the names of, so if anyone messages me i'll send you the picture and maybe you can tell me who they are...

[ThakoManic]

@sutton123454 depends on what race you are. Getting back into black templars/Space marines blood angels/Orks/Chaos/Tau/Nids/Imp­/Gray knights what?

[MrSpiderman204]

Dude love the painting



[godblessolbas]

Awesome video, but the best thing is the way you say "forward" XD

[vorak359]

dont know about you but if a child can scrape together to buy £20 minatures for this "kids game" then hes got a better job than most. you just cant handle the fact you have NO hobbys of life so you troll on youtube . why even watch this video? hope you have fun with what ever you do....you probibly READ for a hobby

[vorak359]

@thomasbhunter68 A kids game? Aye, okay pal

[coolsskin]

love this vid! tanx fore the info!

[twowheelfrenzy]

Heres a question... I use a templars chaplain who i frequently have pimpin' with my sword bretherin. does littanies of hate (reroll to hit on charge) stack with preffered enemy gained by the vow? I hope so..lightning claws are allways more fun... jesus christ if so.. those claws would be deadly. O.o

[vorak359]

@twowheelfrenzy Simply put. No. You find throughout the rulebook that you cannot stack things like that. I have a 5 man Terminators squad with lightening claws. If I choose to bring a chaplain i might change my vow or vice versa.... depends who im playing against. Your right though re-roll hits and wounds is sickening, you can tear through pretty much anything

[xXD4rKwO7fXxGaming]

Lightning claws RULE.

[40kWHat]

Free army codexes here: warhammer40karmycodex.weebly(d­ot)com

[wiganeldar]

you know space wolves terminators can gain preffered enemy with logan grimnar right? so the re roll hits a wounds with lc's isnt a templar only tactic! by the way love your vids!

[Hippiechild817]

remeber that all codexes say feel free to paint in your own coulors to make your army more uniq

[simplethunder]

War is all about innovation and surprise. Sometimes that even means opening the old books, how weird that may sound. ^^

I respect people who try different and gutsy strategies, because at tournaments, even if you lose, people will remember that.

[BoltStarcraft]

about the S10 shot... tyranid zoanthropes have a S10 AP1 Lance...

[Isthisthelongestname]

Black templars.....which are red??? Hmmm. Lol.

I really like BT's but they've been knocked off the close combat podium, by space wolves (maybe) and Blood angels (definetly)

Great army and painting, thanks!

[AngryCaboose]

my first army is the Necrons, due to me not wanting the human army, I wanted an alien race and my friend pointed me to the Necrons, cheapest price and now he regrets it. :)

[hyena5353]

@AngryCaboose I Tried to lead my friend to the Tau but he liked space marines to much and im jealous cos he has dreadnought but then again i has preadator :D

[AngryCaboose]

@hyena5353 ya i got the Daemonhunters, and the only other Space Marine Army I want is Space Wolves, I like Tau and once I get a steady job I'll buy the Tau off of my friend and re-paint it.

[BlankoPie]

My Blood Angels would smack the shit out of those guys. Death Company backed up by Lemartes, Corbulo, Mephiston, and Astorath will rape anything. (unless its some faggy eldar army with a shitload of skimmers)

[MrDreamblade]

i gotta say, BTs are not thought of as a leaf blower list, so its easier to get a good comp

[lukeyboy118]

red templars..?

[fletch0307]

@lukeyboy118 it's a real chapter lol

[Rockshey]

@lukeyboy118 It's just the play style, not the looks. I play a custom Scarlet Crusade army and go by the Templar's rule book..

On the video, really nice army. Bigger than I prefer, but very good.

[blackwolf9710]

if its black templar whys it painted red?

[gojira4444]

The Black Templar are the coolest and best of the space marine chapters. But why would you want people to collect Black Templar, now there I'm gonna have a harder time killing their army with my Black Templar army. Nice video by the way.

[Adrian890722]

is it rerolls once when u assualt or reroll all hits in close combat in all turns or shooting also? thnx

[Fishman58585]

ummmm don't black templars wear armour of purest black?

[DiplomaticGoomba]

@Fishman58585

you can pain them w.e color you please bright pink / purple if it floats your bloat personally i think the color scheme looks badass

[Fishman58585]

@DiplomaticGoomba

i agree the colour scheme looks badass im just saying i have never seen a Black Templar army painted red. But its a disgrace to Sigismund because black and white were the colours of his personal heraldry and thats why they took those colours

[magicman12ish]

in your opin wat is the hardest army to play with?

[fletch0307]

@magicman12ish i've heard dark eldar

[magicman12ish]

@fletch0307 ok thx

[Spjungen]

There are several units from the vanilla marines list though that Templars don't get. For instance, no scouts with snipers, which can really be a pain, no ironclad, no devastators, etc. And also, it's pretty much useless to give any of your squads heavy weapons because zeal will force them to move, thus nullifying their heavy weps.

[aborshcane]

yeah im agreeing with arch on this one. great woo everyone knows our advantages now they come up with new ways to get at us.

[johnkerry7]

question...litanies of hate, isnt it pointless with the EC vow?

just wondering as i have resurrected my BT army.

[deathfromabove295]

so in the black templar codex do they have a sword brethren squad?

[mikeyvengeance]

I'm going to argue that Space Marines are the top army to play. Blood Angels are now.

[MrGrebbi]

I think i am just going to stick with the simple dawn of war. =S

[juatfaceit]

Um... You do realize that a land raider only carries 12 models and each terminator counts as 2 so you can't mount a full squad of 10 terminators in a vehicle. (i think a thunderhawk is the only vehicle that can)

[DigitalityKnight]

@juatfaceit actually the Black Templars make use of Land Raider Crusaders which have a capacity for 16 marines or 8 terminators.

[skeys79]

Why not? It's personal preference. You play what you like.

[Asken96]

all space marine fans play often ultramarine or blood angel why?

[WayOfSaimHann]

A consolidation as in the rule book says up to X inches, and since zeal uses a consolidate move you don't have to move the X inches that you roll from taking a loss in shooting- so no pulling templars off objectives!

[Krymson86]

@WayOfSaimhann Unfortunately the wording is "if an infantry unit is forced to make a morale check and passes it then the unit MUST move towards the nearest visible enemy". It does then say that it is identical to a consolidate move, but I think that refers in how the consolidate roll is executed (roll 1 D6). I think it may mean that you do HAVE to move towards your nearest enemy, but you may not need to move the full number of inches your consolidate dice rolled.

[Krymson86]

@WayOfSaimHann One other sic advantage for your assault terminators is that if you send them against other terminators, either assault or normal, EVEN your thunder hammers will go BEFORE (Thunder Hammer will turn to I2 and go before your opponents I1 power fists/chainfists and THs) the majority of your opponents squad (yes, their sergeant will be able to go because he's I4 with a power sword...IF he survives from your lightning claws)

[Krymson86]

@WayOfSaimHann The only disadvantage I've found to Templar is that you're limited in the number of power weapons you have in your squads. Even Sword Brethren can only have 2 guys with power weapons, so you're better off fielding A LOT of squads of troops and maybe a command squad for one of your HQs. I've been running a Marshal with twin lightning claws with my assault terminators out of a land raider crusader. Templars are fucking badass. Their colors suck but their codex is awesome.

[TheSpawn117]

@WayOfSaimHann what's your favorite chapter of the spacemarines?

[TheMorganray]

black templar codex is the worest one out of all the rang 4 one simple thing in an objektive base game let the black templar player go first you cant lose as you shot his scoring unit of the objektive as it gose i have to chase after you now as you shot me o balls we lost

[Krvaak]

can i paint an Emperor's champion in a Ultramarine theme?

[Rincewindlolzor]

Whats the pointn in taking a chaplain if you have the prefered enemy vow? makes no sense.

[frankchvz]

Preferred enemy lets you reroll in combat against enemies with a weapon skill and a chaplin just lets you reroll hits in close combat

[pwnz1ng]

Woo im goin black templars :D nice vid dude...but ive got a question. Are the black templars bad at range or just sort of average? Anyone able to help?

[lxXAxisXxl]

arent black templars poor at ranged combat though?

[WhoDaresWins08]

@lxXAxisXxl no they just prefer up close and personal

[lxXAxisXxl]

@WhoDaresWins08 I see : P They're pretty damn good at it too. ( cough cough preferred enemy much?? lol )

[dinocha0s]

space marines:heroic super warriors,now thats the only way to describe them fritz

[whitetyger00]

Now are we absolutely certain Tank hunters makes weapons 1 str higher? or adds +1 to the damage table rolls? This is an issue i'm having at my gaming store. There is disagreement among gamers. Can anyone verify which is the actual rule?

[Mundicai]

@whitetyger00

Tank Hunter's : Gives you plus 1 to any glancing or penatrating hits on a vehicle. Not a plus 1 to weapon strength. A Lascannon cannot go up to str 10. It's str 9..

=)

[CancerMage]

@whitetyger00 +1 to the roll to glance/penetrate. Not on the damage table.  Its like a "pretend" point of strength.

[Ironixx9]

Black Templars in Rot ich glaub ich Spinne. Sowas sollte verboten werden! Du verräter von Dorn's erbe!

[mgod58]

I am an avid fan of the Imperial Fists. Have played 40K on and off since 1992. It is obvious that the special Marine Codex's are better than the generic one. Templars, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, are all better than generic Codex which is more geared toward Ultramarines anyway. I really need an Imperial Fists Codex.

[kingofpopcorn]

i present to you the average virgin nerd

[robokilla12]

carnifex's get str 10 venom cannons

[RepublicCustoms]

doesn't Preferred Enemy for Assault Terminators get to reroll failed hits AND wounds?

[FlamingGerkins]

i think the champion doesnt count as your hq

[citricsystemz]

it does

[wargamerLoki]

It dosn't unless you choose it too

[citricsystemz]

which is what i do for 1750 pt games, any other additional HQ i find is a waste of points

[chicken77good]

is just sick! lol nice like that

[1cathar]

Tau= ya we suck at close combat, to bad you'll never get their

[ViperCruz]

pshh dude we have drop pods

[sonofwaranddeath]

Drop pod ; ]

[DinoKillar]

tell that to some nids! thell just outflant u with the genestealers. the tyrants and carnifexes will murder u

[orkyboy97]

do you need to have the generic codex aswell as the black templars codex

[Poke0em0on]

nope

its stand alone

how awsome are templars :)

[Andulvar]

No you do not, just the Black Templar's book

[PhilTheMadgod]

you know your BLACK templars are red right?

[sanguinius55]

you know that black templars have successor chapters that dont all have BLACK armor that follow the same chapter guidelines right?

[PhilTheMadgod]

yea i know it's called "the second founding" and most successor chapters use another name...even if they follow the same rules. besides black templars arn't called black becous they think it's fun

[vorak359]

@PhilTheMadgod You know you can paint your army ANY colour.... right?

[PhilTheMadgod]

@vorak359 yea but you can't call them black templars, becous the templars have a specific colour scheme, it's like painting your ultramarines pink and saying that they are still ultramarines.....

[vorak359]

@PhilTheMadgod He didn't call them Black Templar only mentioned a Black Templar 'configuration'! Also I use the BT codex and have an army I custom painted myself- I don't call them Black Templar but call them 'Templars': Why? Well I have a bunch of BT specific parts on the models...... so kept the name but they aren't called BLACK at all

[jeleopard]

@PhilTheMadgod

See: Crimson Fists, a sister chapter of the Black Templars.

[SalamanderMarine]

@PhilTheMadgod Red templars chapter.

[skateboarder600]

i reckon generic comes with okayish benefits like, if you have calgar you get to have three honour guard ignoring the 2 only HQ, and like chaosundivided said you get a 3+ unvun save which helps etc

but i think ill start using black templars because i just love close combat i just find it so more fun but thats just me :)

[TheChaosUndivided]

Im Generic, and i get 3+ Invun saves for Storm Shields, mwuhahaha.

[Kapelannew]

everybody gets it now....

[Tonberry88]

that looks like a red templars army not black templars....

[urashima42]

one thing you didnt mention is that you can use landraider crusader as transport.

[xXChettomanXx]

why do they have so much chain swords can someone respond because i want to make a black temp army but i dont know what wepons to give them

[KittyRokher]

black templars have tons of swords because they are fanatical zealots that liket o get in close and kill their enemies. they are basically the future version of the Crusaders. they use a lot of chainswords, but any close combat weapon is accepted by them

[Reclusiarch]

Ah, here I was thinking that Black Templars couldn't have Godhammer pattern Land Raiders. They can, but the assault terminators can only choose a Land Raider Crusader as a dedicated transport.

[wargamerLoki]

Templar's are awesome, they do have some draw backs, IE No scouts, i think if they take a casualty in a squad they have to roll leadership, But they hit hard, preferred enemy just awesome

[bombkangaroo]

That's Righteous Zeal for when they take a shooting casualty. If they pass the leadership test, then they get to make a free run move, directly towards the nearest visible enemy unit, at the end of the opponent's shooting phase, meaning they can fire a heavy weapon in their own shooting phase, remain stationary in their movement phase, and still get to advance across the board, albeit slowly.

[wargamerLoki]

Ah cool ^^

[cheeseontoast14]

Are Black Templars not allowed to feild scouts with sniper rifles?

[cheeseontoast14]

Black templars do get scouts, they are called neophites (spelling), you run them with a marines squads which become mixed.

[bombkangaroo]

We can potentially have 5 different groups within a crusader squad for some insane wound allocation abuse.

[citricsystemz]

i dont plan on including neophrytes any time soon but please do tell how

[bombkangaroo]

Ini Boltgun, Ini Powerfist/weapon/Heavy Weapon, Ini Special Weapon, Ini BP+CCW, Neo BP+CCW and Neo Shotgun.

Ah, wait that's 6. Even better.

On smaller units with all 6 load-outs you can waste huge numbers of your opponent's PW/AP2/Rending/ID attacks.

[kazkal]

Templar get preferred enemy? is this via errata or?

[bombkangaroo]

It's in the Codex under the oath: "Accept Any Challenge, No Matter The Cost".

Re-rolling misses on up to 30 attacks on the charge is pretty sick. Even better on Assault Terminators with Lightning Claws.

[WAYofCHAOS9]

yes it dose

[kazkal]

New Templar Rules in the SM codex?

[theman998088]

emperors champion doesn't take up a HQ slot

[saadeath2]

it can still be counted as your compulsory slot

[TrampyPulsar]

Yes it does, if you have 1500 point army you -must- take an emperors champion, but then it doesnt take an HQ slot

[shadowseer92]

my first anime tht got me into warhammer 40k was tau XD it's like anime robots XD

[Blackknight1212]

wayofsaimhann wat is the 1 wit the skull head called thts 4rm the blck templar

[hydralisk125]

Chaplain I am guessing,

[BlackTemplarSteve]

Can't Codex: Space Marines give you Meltabombs? I know you can for the Sergeant, but not all units...

[darthd95]

could you make a video about space marines hqs ???

[Izumo11]

When you playing as black templars and follows their codex. Can you not use normall space marines and like put them in the same chapter colours as black templars?

[Joe143cool]

My mate marekthemonkey doesn't have the Templar codex so he has no idea about vows or what an Emporor's Champion is capable of.

[ArchDemonNar]

also, you should keep our advantages on the down-low. if everyone starts running Templar armies their unique rules wont be as significant, as people will come up with more and more ways to deal with them.

[ArchDemonNar]

but hey, i really dont like the idea of people just saying oh im gonna go templar with my space marine army. that aint right. if you dont represent the colors and the symbols of the chapter, your not templars. i am building up my templar army for real, so its annoying to see people use bogus ones.

[badcopz0wnz700]

its not bogus really, its just black templar colour scheme is so boring. I mean who wants all their guys just to be black and white. I think this is fair enough if he wants to paint them as blood ravens. However, to make it clear they are black templars he should put distinctive black templar signs on them, like give all the leaders/commanders hoods or something like that.

[ArchDemonNar]

black and white is boring if you make it boring.

[Adrian890722]

@ArchDemonNar i like pure black and white templars lol

[clayisajedi444]

Why is it a problem if people have a different color scheme? It's not liek they are cheating. There's nothing wrong with taking a normal Space marine army and just using the Templars rules with them, as long as you use the Templar build.

[ArchDemonNar]

sure, if your not actually into your army. if it was a made up group that came from black templars somehow thatd be pretty cool i think.

[PXsGh0st]

i'm a new templar and this is so helpfull in learning where i might want to go

[ArchDemonNar]

templars straight up pwn, i didnt even have to think twice about which army i wanted to start 40k with when i looked over the races.

[then00bs123]

you are awsome at painting

[jabtrader]

your vids rock

[jabtrader]

your vids are icredible

[jabtrader]

your vids rock

[jabtrader]

your vids rock

[ndeppftw]

in 4th edition my crimson fist lightning claw termies got the same thing against orks. loved it

[LoongLas]

Yea, Just wanted to comment on the whole "Templars are more competative than Marines" from a purely competative standpoint. IMO, Sallies can trash these guys anyday. Maily due to TH/SS.

The TH/SS 3+ Inv for Marines in shooting/assault and the 4+ inv only in assault for templars, In my competative opinion, its a HUGE difference. The durability of the 'dex terminators is betterthan templar termies by leaps and bounds. Templars don't have Iron Clads or redeemers, are the Special Char. are bad.

[ZCRogers]

Nice video. I've actually already posted tactics videos with the exact same tactics in my own channel. Check them out if you want, I've also got some of my army lists.

Red Templars, eck.

[Altier215]

I still prefer the generic codex guys because of there abilities to have tactics from mele and ranged, not only mele. templars are good, but i dont sugest useing them as a fun club army. use them at tournaments

[connor556]

If i was to start aBlack Templars army should i get the generic marines codex too?

[Itgiger]

in my opinion no

[BloodAngel012]

wouldn't you need one for the generic units like tactical squads?

[Altier215]

no, black templars can only use whats in their codex, the 2 dont mix

[bombkangaroo]

We don't use Tactical Squads, we have Crusader Squads.

[evildevo714]

what do you think of white scars??

[hardrockfreak1337]

I <3 them. I even made the effort to make my own White Scars successor chapter fluff and all.

[Altier215]

dont play them, the bikes really are cool models, but i find they are anoying, because you field alot of them in a list of scars. this means alot of money, alot less AP and alot less copetetiveness

[mblythe21]

With Kahn and a decent sized bike squad as a troop choice you can outflank, fleet, hit and run, furious charge and are relentless.

My squad is 7 bikes and an attack bike, you get to fire every shot after moving, you get I5, S5 and T5 on the charge doing 20+ attacks and then can hit and run away. Thats pretty silly.

[Vohir]

Nice! went down and buyed the black templar codex just to read on them damn. Pimped army.

[somebody1atxboxlive]

lol tau and eldar can have 10 str, and eldars are twinlinked, (2 fire prisms)

[stufirs]

WOOOO go templars! No pitty! No remorse! No fear!