This "Army of the Free" was enslaving African-Americans. While they were supposedly trying to free the blacks in the south, they werent even bothering trying to free the blacks in the north.
@porterbehling You're wrong. Maryland, Kentucky, Missouri, and Delaware, four states that sided with the Union, had thousands of slaves who werent considered to be free under the emancipation proclamation, no slave was actually, and werent officially free until the 13 amend in 1865.
@RevBillyRayCollins which the North passed. The North freed all slaves after the war, and abolished slavery. And no, the proclamation didn't free the slaves, but it did make slavery illegal. And when the war ended, the NORTH ended slavery. The South never had any intentions of freeing the slaves.
also, you state it in a way that makes it sound like during the civil war, the North kept enslaving the blacks, which they didn't.
@porterbehling Oh indeed it was passed, once the war ended, dont you think if the north was fighting to free the slaves they would have passed that amend before or at least during the war? They didnt give a damn about the slaves as evident in the slaves they let their citizens keep. I said that the proclamation didnt free the slaves. Im only implying that the north claims to be the army of the free while it holds on to the institution of slavery. The CS doesnt claim to be the army of the free.
@RevBillyRayCollins the War lasted for several years, and after that, the slaves were all made free. It doesn't fucking matter that they were not freed during the war. We were fighting the bloodiest war America has ever fought. The president had other things on his mind at the time.
Also, I just checked your account... apparently, you are a big "southern Confederacy supporting traitor", so I don't think I want to continue a conversation with a racist red neck from the south. have a good day
@porterbehling Other things on his mind? Well I agree, Abe didnt give a damn about the slaves. If he did he would have freed them. Everyone knows this war was not fought to end slavery. There is nothing traitorous about the CSA, the only traitor in the whole conflict was Lincoln who swore to uphold the Const, but broke that vow dozens of times. Get your facts straight, Im not a racist nor a redneck.
@RevBillyRayCollins So please, enjoy your obese ridden, red neck filled, and racist south. I'd much rather prefer the North any day... or the west... please, don't have a good day. Because you do not deserve a good day. :)
@porterbehling Whats a matter? Afraid I will beat you in this little argument? Actually I already have, and you would realize this if you were a student of history, but your just an arrogant yankee. I realize the education system in those crowded little northern shantys isnt great but you could at least read a book on your own.
@RevBillyRayCollins afraid?... No, I just don't think fighting on a fucking youtube page about a song is worth anything. Believe me, the last thing i'm "afraid" of, is a good for nothing, coward, traitor, and a fucking racist like yourself trying to act tough, and trying to make it sound like the confederacy were the good guys. They were traitors, and they were racist bastards. And your biased stupidity, on how our great president Lincoln was a "traitor" is stupid.
"I hear tell of some sort of rebelliousness happening on the southern end of a couple of gents called Mason and Dixon. Not exactly sure what its all about but I heard it had something to do with their man asses."
quote from my dad. Them rebs is gonna get whooped at Bull Run this weekend!
@thebigmusclerex I'm afraid the 'Rising of the Moon' was a popular tune and there were numerous versions...many of which predate the Dubliners by some centuries
@markmason1000 its the tune of 'the wearing of the green'. another irish ballad about the 1798 rebellion. it is much older though with many different versions of the lyrics. tho it was first annonymously penned shortly after the rebellion itself
The war was not about slavery, it was about state's sovereignty and whether or not secession was legal. Both Lee and Grant said they would resign if the war's objective was to abolish slavery. You think Andersonville was bad, research Camp Douglas near Chicago, all the crap that went on there was deliberate torture brought on by hatred for the South, Andersonville was due to the shortages brought on by the war. Wirz was tried and hung, but none of Camp Douglas' wardens were ever tried.
@SuperMEntertainment States soverignty to do what? accept it the slavery caused the war. Dont believe me read any of the southern states declarations of secession and you'll find it in there as a major cause. Virginia tried to abolish slavery 20 years before the war but the wealthy planters who were in politics shot the resolution down,do you think the state would have seceded if there had been no slaves?
@SuperMEntertainment I know about Camp Douglas. It wasn't nearly as bad as Andersonville. In fact, the conditions at some Union POW camps were better and healthier than what most CSA troops had while on campaign. Remember that disease killed more men on both sides than any battle ever did.
LONG LIVE THE CONFEDERACY!!! TO HELL WITH YOU ALL! I LOVE AMERICA BUT IM SICK OF THIS BULL SHIT. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE SOUTH DESTROYED THE NORTH IN K/D RATIO. one day we will return and finish the job our grandfathers began.
Fact is. The USA's citizen soldier occupied enemy territory for the duration of the war, successfully defended their own from rebel invasion, inflicted total defeat on the enemy, and did so in just four years, after losing half of the army's command structure to the enemy. They fought an offensive war on unfamiliar territory, in which they often had to take positions held by an entrenched enemy.
Once Union soldiers had repeating rifles, which negated the rebs advantage of fighting a defensive war, the Confederate casualty rate spiked way higher than the Union's, and the war came to a speedy close.
Oh yeah... the MASSIVE desertion rate by the Confederacy's conscripted soldiers, also contributed to the CSA's speedy demise.
Another fact...Confederate soldiers failed to successfully invade and hold ANY Union territory. Even in frontier areas like New Mexico and Colorado, where superior numbers weren't a factor.
"We will never submit to the enemy's military, or his slave despotism"...New Mexico Territorial Legislature calling for volunteers to defend the territory...which they did.
Lee got owned in Pennsylvania...slack-jawed rebs were shot to pieces by units like the Bucktail Regiment.
@UnionStatesHeritage we never mounted an offensive in the west. lee made 1 mistake at gettysburg, his only mistake of the war. there is a reason he is listed as one of the greatest leaders of all time.
HAHAHAAAA....why am I not surprised...you've never heard of the New Mexico Campaign...personally authorized by Jefferson Davis...the invasion, and annexation of New Mexico, Colorado, and other western territories, including portions of Southern California which was already a state. Why?...Territorial conquest, and the seizure of the West's gold fields. Problem was, the citizens of that region did not want to be annexed into the CSA, and they fought and died to remain free...
@amdsoccer94 cont....of the South's aggression. The New Mexico, Colorado, and California Volunteers beat back the Confederate invasion, and drove 'em back to Texas, where they came from. Rednecks from the South proved to be no match for gun-slinging cowboys, sod busters, and gold miners from the West.
Lee made a lot of mistakes...the biggest...stabbing his country in the back.
Good generals win battles, great ones win wars...despite the odds.
Maybe if Lee's army had spent more time fighting, and less time stealing horses, and kidnapping Blacks, they'd have accomplished more, but I seriously doubt it.
Yep, ole Bobby Lee was a typical Southern aristocrat...over-dressed, over-confident, and over-stuffed. He ran like a bitch out of my home Commonwealth, after the beating we gave him...leaving a bunch of dead Butternuts to pollute some of the best farmland in the nation.
@UnionStatesHeritage your just pissed that the CS army completely raped the US army. lee was one of the greatest generals in history and one bitch saying he sucks doesnt change that
Lee raped no one. All he did, was win some battles. Lee suffered total defeat, and the South was in economic, social, political, and military ruin after just four years of war.
Lee wasn't a great man. He was a scum bag traitor, and domestic terrorist who fought for a despicable cause.
Virginia did provide one truly great general during the Civil War....George H. Thomas who fought for the Union.
"I took an oath to defend the United States of America. I do not break my oaths".
HAHAHA...don't wanna touch the New Mexico Campaign do ya? Kinda blows the "South was fighting for states rights argument outta the water". You probably have no idea that CSA aspirations weren't confined to the Southwestern US. They planned to conquer and annex northern Mexico, Cuba, and even push all the way into Central America. Essentially forming a "slave empire".
Oh yeah, while you're at it how bout explaining why the citizens of East Tennessee, Western Virginia, and Northern Alabama, Mississippi & Georgia were denied the right by the CSA to remain in the Union, when they voted to do so, and tried to secede from the CSA?
Thought the war was about states rights and self determination? Obviously not.
How bout the citizens of Kansas Territory who voted for a free constitution, only to have Southern politicians use the power of the fed to try and nullify it. When their efforts failed, they attacked the citizens of Kansas, and tried to force them into the Union as a slave state. The US Secretary of War at the time, was a Southerner who believed that territories were SUBJECT to the Fed, as dictated by the states. Guess what his name was?... Jefferson Davis
I don't really think the cause of a war changes the bravery of the soldiers. In every war. The yankees and rebels were very brave in this war but also all the soldiers in WW2 have to be respected. Germans, French, Russian...
@1kuziora indeed. Irish soldiers in the Union army had adapted old Irish songs (The Wearing of the Green, Rising of the Moon also used that tune). You'll see that often throughout wars where there are Irish Brigades. Another example, We'll Fight For Uncle Sam uses the tune from Whiskey In The Jar.
@phynet How much do you want to bet that the Southern Irish would have abandoned the Stars and Bars for the Stars and Stripes if the British got involved?
A forgotten note of the Civil War is the Trent Incident, in which a US warship seized Southerners about the English ship Trent and then the British government complained and were duly reminded that the US had made the same complaints before.
The British Parliament backed down after being reminded of their pre-War of 1812 actions.
@1kuziora There's alot of songs that were rewritten in this time. Wearing of the gray also sounds like this, and wearing of the green. "Kelly's Irish Brigade" was rewritten from "Lincoln and Liberty" it happens quite a bit.
@bullyboy1863 Lincoln and Liberty is also the same tune as the old Irish "Rosin the beau"--or the Rosin the Bow, if you like it in musical-violinist terms:..and I'll rosin my bow, and I will be merry wherever I go!"
Failed remark. The Constitution sets no real limit on the strength or size of the Federal Government. It simply outlines broad things it must try to accomplish, gives specific duties it has, and allows it to do anything necessary and proper to carry out these duties. It also set specific things the government cannot do.
And State governments, for that matter. Did you know it is unconstitutional for a State to join a confederation of any kind? =/
@nafaidni Go back and read the 10th amendment. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." This was actually to limit the federal power. Did you know it is unconstitutional to invade a foreign nation without congress declaring war? The 1st Battle of Manassas (Bull Run to northerners) came from that. Look up the song "Battle of Bull Run" and see how that went for ya.
@TheBoberton Go back and read Article One, Section Ten. That CLEARLY made the Richmond regime illegal. The 10th amendment does not void the necessary and proper clause. The Richmond regime was not a foreign nation and the constitution gives the government the power to suppress rebellion. Look up "Gettysburg" and "Appomattox Courth House" and see how those went for ya.
@rexlibris99 Go look up the Battle of Bull Run if you want a reminder of how unconstitutionally invading the south went for you. Congress had not declared war on the CSA making Lincoln's march unconstitutional.
@TheBoberton The United States government never recognized the CSA nor did any other nation, the United States was recognized by several nations after the revolution. The US was not obligated to declare war after it had been attacked on its own soil
Amen to that. Unilateral secession has always been unconstitutional. If a state secedes tomorrow, declares racism the "cornerstone" of its new nation, starts raping and enslaving all white people, and opens fire on American troops, We the People STOMP THAT ASS. Real Americans pledge their allegiance to ONE nation, under God, INDIVISIBLE, with liberty and justice for ALL. Racists and traitors are free to leave---or swallow a handgun and make the world a better place.
Strictly speaking, the U.S. could not secede from Britain because the relationship with Britain was not a voluntary union or organization, unlike the United States.
Have you ever heard of the Star of the West? It was a ship that was carrying reinforcements to Sumter. The commander of the fort had agreed that no reinforcements would be sent. Then Lincoln went behind his back and sent 200 men.
@TheBoberton Regardless of what the commander said, the United States nor any other country ever recognized the Confederate government, therefore those soldiers were in the United States when they were attacked by traitors. The North and Lincoln tried to prevent war but the South was determined and hostile.
Lincoln attempted to prevent war? By coercing the south into it?
As Davis said:
"I worked night and day for twelve years to prevent the war, but I could not. The North was mad and blind, would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came."
@nafaidni And the Declaration of Independence protects our right to secede.
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." Taken DIRECTLY from the Declaration of Independence.
But uh... The Confederacy had pretty much the same form of government as the Union did. That statement is about tyranny and dictatorship, while the things the southern states took offense at were implemented by a government representing the people.
@Mirkwoodelves Uh no, the Confederacy had a state run government, not a federal run one. Each of the 11 states were basically their own countries, with the federal government acting as a diplomat.
@AssHat313 The great Declaration of Independence! A legal document when it makes a point you support, and not one when it makes a point a Confederate supports! What a great piece of paper!
@TheBoberton I mean the Declaration holds no legal significance inside of any American courtroom. It's like the Preamble of the Consitution. Using it to suggest any legal precedent just makes you sound stupid.
@TheBoberton The Declaration of Independence had never been meant to be used as a legal document save as what the name states, that it was an official proclamation of a declaration of independence from the royal crown of England.
It carried no more weight than that, for the Articles of Confederacy had been written for that reason and those ultimately failed and why the Constitution was created.
Since Germans and Russians are ashamed of beign associeted with the Soviet and Nazi parties Why is it that modern southerners are so darn proud of being associeted with the confederacy!? The Germans and Russians are truely sorry guys, the entertianment industry needs to shift the focus away from them and on to our less than apologetic neo-confederate nieghbors and have them as the featured villians of all of our non-modern war games and movies.
They just don't like it when it doesn't support all their REAL ideals ;). Then they're, "God damnit, we ain't gunna let them Yanks get a nigga-loving radical intur the presidency! We's gunna secede!"
I am refering to both 1860 and 2008 in this statement. Amazing how well it applies to both!
"History repeats itself because no one was listening the first time."
Mind explaining how Obama raped the Constitution? (No, the Health Care Reforms do not count)
Lincoln, btw, also "raped" the Constitution by eventually getting the South under a temporary military dictatorship and forcing a good deal of its population from not voting, getting a very (old) Democratic Southern population an entirely (old) Republican government. He also suspended habeas corpus.
Of course, people tend to forget the means when the end is glorious, as he proved.
@nafaidni i feel that his radical reforms on how businesses are run in the stimulus package went too far. he seems like he wants to do right, but his actions are driving america towards the socialist systems of western europe and canada. i know that lincoln placed many strict acts on states during the war, but the constitution says that actions like that can be taken during times of war or rebellion, or in this case, both.
BTW - Did some of you know that the Confederacy's vice president, Alexander H. Stephen, had said in March of 1861 that slavery was the natural condition of blacks, and the cornerstone on which the new government was founded?
Like it or not, slavery WAS an issue, & these cover-up's by neo-reb's to make it seem like it was not is total nonsense. Don't fall for it.
Finally......if the south was right, why is it that the overwhelming majority of Americans CHOOSE to fight against the rebels? (This does include many, MANY southern's who remained loyal to the Union.)
Most rebel troops did now own slaves, & they were against the idea of leaving the Union. That includes Robert E. Lee, & Thomas Jackson.
Most rebs were just poor dirt farmers defending their loves one & their homes, & did not care which side won, just as long as their family members & their homes were left unharmed, & many were very happy when the war was finally over.
Even they knew what Jeff Davis & their "government" did was wrong.
I truly don't know how those that hoist the flag of the confederacy are not considered traitors nor the tons of statues dedicated to confederates in the South considered treacherous. I mean how can you call yourself American when the Confederacy clearly tried to get France and Britain to declare war on their native land. Not to mention the crimes against humanity with slavery but trying to divide not just by southern muskets but by foreign ones too! Sherman was right to burn the South down!
You are confusing the gov't of the alleged Confederacy w/ the actions of ordinary troopers who simply fought for their home as they understood it. Not all Southerners sympathized w/ the CSA. Many actually fought against it. But in such a time of crisis, things are not always clear.
In saying that, I love Lincoln & the newer & greter Unioin he bequeathed to us.
American consumerism is ruining our countryside and the world. And, I'm sure if my great great grandfather had known Yankees would free all slaves in America and use it as war propaganda, he'd picked his own damn cotton.
It is astonishing that the absurdity of whining about consumerism in one breath & celebrating a gov't dedicated to defending the fundamental right to treat a whole race of human beings as consumer products in the next doesn't strike you. If you have no taste for consumer products, live like the Amish off your own homemade products. Though even the Amish don't usually try it anymore. If you are above living off of consumer products, run around naked in the woods eat whatever bugs you can catch.
I only advocate that men should be free. I meant that slavery was being abolished worldwide at the time, humanity was growing, we realized it was an unnecessary evil with the advent of steam power. It was not like the Northern Americans just up and decided to free the world of slavery, from my point of view Yankees excel at WMDs weapons of mass distraction. The war was really over my right to self govern. I feel Men must be free and will be when the Amish start making computers and LCD screens.
Slavery was being abolished world wide. That is why the beneficiaries of slavery in the South had become so militant in perpetuating their privileges. They wanted to not only preserve it in inperpetuity in their then current states, they wanted to expand it into the West & South into Latin America. Go read their actual rhetoric on the subject. & the Soviet Union & Nazi Germany practiced considerable slavery w/ industrialization, as Red China does now.
I agree with you theone1087. Heck, Sherman did what he did as a result of what the rebels were doing to Union troops at Andersonville, and what they did to Union troops at Fort Hood.
And what we did at Andersonville was a result of your Camp Douglas.
"Prisoners were deprived of clothing to discourage escapes. Many wore sacks with head and arm holes cut out; few had underwear. Blankets to offset the bitter northern winter were confiscated from the few that had them. The weakest froze to death. The Chicago winter of 1864 was devastating.
@TheBoberton i think geography had to do with a great deal of it. prisoners died at johnstons island, elmira, and douglas in great numbers during the winter, while at andersonville and libby prison most of the deaths were in the summer months. southern neglect for prisoners began at the start of the war, as they could barely feed their own men, let alone the enemy. northern abuses began after a portion of pemberton's army captured at vicksburg violated their paroles
The loss of 1,091 lives in only four months was heaviest for any like period in the camp's history, and equaled the deaths at the highest rate of Andersonville from February to May, 1864. Yet, it is the name of Andersonville that burns in infamy, while there exists a northern counterpart of little shame."
@TheBoberton - The reason why more people know about Andersonville is because of the film about it that came out in 1996 on TNT.
The way I see it is that the South has had PLENTY of movies all about their struggles whereas the Union has had very little. The truth is, not all of those men were bad men and plenty of them had to go through hell too.
"It is well that war is so terrible - otherwise we would grow too fond of it." Robert E. Lee
@Zeeboe And compared to later wars, the South got off light. Though a Confederate Cavalry Division eternally confirmed the South's pro-Slavery ways when they slaughter helpless Black civilians that had been following Sherman's troops when they had been cut off from the protection of the Union soldiers.
Seriously, they rode into them with Sabers drawn and flashing and by the end of the afternoon they were covered thickly in blood of non-combatants!
@Lambchop08 Perhaps too light. Some should have been rounded up and put to the rope. It should be noted that that same Confederate Cavalry Force was the nucleus of the later Ku Klux Klan, including its officers and commander, if I'm not mistaken of course.
A Union officer was nearly court martial over that affair and had to be reassigned for a while, he finally got back into the thick of things during the Modoc War.
It would be good target practice for the soldiers to use the Klan as target practice, even better for the police who will probably need the experience in case the Defeatists have their way.
@FLJBeliever1776 I think because the police dont like people being vigilantes, but you are right, they would be good target practice, and it would definitley cut down the numbers of the south if they rebelled again
@Lambchop08 Well... Why can't they just go out and shot them! Plus I doubt they want to rebel again. They wouldn't get as much support this time after all the truth of the last time.
@Zeeboe vary true but we must understand that the C.S.A had trouble feeding there own troops not counting clothing,blankets ect.And i feel I must mention a certain camp I beleve was point lookout were black Confederates were shot when entering the gates while white confederates got quarter.
People...check your local library for the book "Bitterly Divided, the South's Inner Civil War"
by David Williams.
It blows the Lost Cause Myth out of the water. Even better, the author is Southern born, and bred.
The book is a Southern perspective of the war
that the Sons of Confederate Veterans, and United Daughters of the Confederacy would love to continue suppressing, but no longer have the cultural clout to do so.
I heard there was actually some kind of fight over the book by the two groups that went physical, but I haven't have the time to look it up.
Either way, according to some evidence, though I'm not entirely sure, I may well be from the bloodline of the Gist Family who fought for the South, namely State's Rights Gist and his father.
I'm currently learning my history, but my family is of the Gist name, though I do not have it.
My family has a long and proud service history for the US of A.
Most pro-Confederates today claim that the Civil War was fought over states rights but why should you be concernd about states rights when individual rights are being violated. I am not of African decent [infact I am a decendent of William T. Sherman himself.] but I strongly believe that every individual has rights that can not be violated. Individual rights > States rights, this is my argument.
Funny how a region that spent 50 years using the full force of federal power to preserve and expand the 'property rights' of an elite minority, suddenly wrapped themselves in the mantle of states rights, once the majority had enough of being bullied, and voted for change.
There were numerous other factors as well. Beside whether or not slavery is moral, which it is not, there is the question of the right to self govern. The government should not protect a man's right to own another man, but the people of that government must be allowed to make their own decision. A proper government makes itself useless by empowering the individual citizens with the means of self sufficiency, because nobody likes to be told what to do that is beyond what is absolutely necessary.
That is quite true and if you look further back, the whole State's Rights claim is fake. The Comprise of 1850 allowed California (my home state) to join the Union as a whole and free state, which was against the South's will.
The Comprise allowed bounty hunting of escaped slaves in Northern territories and often those 'Slaves' were born in the North and thus were sent South as 'Recaptured' Slaves.
Another comprise was created earlier as well, the 1 Free - 1Slave State Rule.
there are some great songs and music on here from the War of 61...for those of you interested I can tell you that the gravesites of the blue and gray buried here in the Uk are properly cared for ...and for those of you who like to nit-pick....some of these ARE Afro-American.
Excellent upload Stonewallmatze! Hearing these songs are like walking back through history. These are the tunes troops used to sing in spite of the stress and pain going through such a war. It gave them moral and a sense of duty and honor.
some interesting comments on here BUT....do you know that some of the richest men in antebellum America were afro-Americans and that every single one of them made their wealth either through slave trading or slave labour ? I am an SCV member....and a SUVCW member.....
I have the honour of caring and preserving the War of 61 gravesites here in Britain
There is a book here in the Spartanburg SC , library.
It stated that free blacks who became prosperous, engaged in slavery (in part) as a means of gaining status among wealthy, Southern whites.
I didn't get a chance to read the whole book, but I know some Southern states were not tolerant of free blacks. Some passed laws requiring free blacks to leave, or face being re-enslaved.
Whites in my home Commonwealth, risked the threat of death and property destruction, to hide our black citizens from Robert E. Lee's army, during Confederate occupation.
The CSA's policy, whenever they occupied Union territory, was to declare black citizens contraband. They rounded them up, put them in chains, and marched them South as slaves.
The gray coats forced some Pennsylvanians at bayonet point, to assist with the 'round up'.
A group of Confederate soldiers led by a Confederate chaplain, no less, threatened to burn a town unless they were paid for the 'contraband' that had escaped their efforts.
One community refused local blacks who offered to surrender themselves peacefully to the Confederates, and instead helped them escape.
LOL...I'll bet that's a piece of living history CSA reenactors fail to portray @ Gettysburg.
Eyewitness accounts, written by people who lived through it. By official sanction of the CSA's government, Confederate soldiers were agents of slavery.
I've also read the accounts of CSA soldiers forcing blacks impressed into service, to load their cannon, because they were too cowardly to face Union sharpshooters.
CSA official policy also required the execution of any captured black Federal soldiers, which was carried out with RELISH, by Confederates.
LOL...Have you ever seen the photographs of Chambersburg after the rebs got through with it?
Your talking about people who were willing to eat the food prepared by people they bought and sold like cattle.
Besides, when you've got a rifle pointed at someone's back, you kind of have the upper hand.
The kid that was recently awarded the Medal of Honor for throwing himself on a grenade, was from Pennsylvania. The family that recently lost two sons in Iraq were from California...
oh yes and I'm sure that those poor black folk just loved their massah, and none of them ever wanted to escape to the north where even if they weren't really equal the weren't being whipped in the cotton fields. Prick.
Mass. 54th, and regiments like them, weren't slaves under arms.
So you consider CSA soldiers slaughtering, scalping, and mutilating Black Federals while they were surrendering to be in 'accordance with the law". Again, full of crap.
Blacks with the CSA who were killed by Union soldiers were the victims of individuals during the heat of battle. It was not officially sanctioned or condoned. Confederates were acting UNDER ORDERS.
Just as i suspected,, If you don't like the Massage, Kill the Massager. If i tell you that over 1,000,000 unborn baby's are killed each year and it is with in the law. you will say that i like to kill unborn baby's. The truth is killing unborn baby's
I, myself, am an amatuer historian and there have been no reports of such incidents.
Perhaps, they were trying to load the cannons and turn them on the Confederates.
Most say it was a War of States Rights, that is nothing more than BULL SHIT!
Look further back in history and you will find that the South had repeatedly, REPEATEDLY, declared that they would cecede from the Union if there weren't equal number of Free States and Slave States.
California became the match that lit that gun powder.
lickings? I'm sure you meant lynchings. And regardless of any violence there in the north for the 4 years of the war, what about the 250 years of slavery in the south? you act like those were some how rosy years where the simple black folk just happily when about their work in the fields, whistling a la Disney style
Neither did mine, they worked the land on free soil. And despite the fact they'd only come from germany 15 years before, it seems that my great great great grandfather was a bigger patriot than your's.
Lincoln's war measures were weakly enforced, and never meant to be permanent.
By comparison, the Confederacy waged a reign of terror against Southern Unionists. They massacred German settlers in Texas, made it a crime to even speak against slavery. They forcibly removed Sam Houston as Gov. of Texas, for refusing to swear allegiance to the CSA, AND were the first to pass conscription laws. However, they exempted large slave holders.
I've heard about that massacre and what happened when Sam Houston refused to surrender the Stars and Stripes.
In fact some rebels tried to capture the flag of Fort McHenry! Though the commander had hidden the flag inside his blanket and while the rebels looked everywhere else, they couldn't find the Old Glory!
Heck, a Winconsion Regiment had a Bald Eagle named Old Abe with them when they went into battle and the rebels had placed a bounty on the bird's head, but they never could get him!
I've read about Old Abe, when I was a teenager. There was an article in my Dad's American Legion Magazine, about that regiment. I'd almost forgotten it. Thanks for sparking my memory.
I had not heard about the flag at Fort McHenry.
Awesome!
The story of Southern Unionists like Houston, is finally starting to get told in more detail. A number of Southerners with Union heritage are starting blogs, and telling their family's story.
Renegade South is a good one, as is Cenantua's Blog.
Well I suppose my "Style" of Patriot is different than yours as mine does not include starting a war because my favored candidate did not win an election, nor does it include the fracturing of my nation. My style of Patriot is loyal to his country, not to local or even regional politics, and certainly not to a slave holding aristocracy.
Dude, some of the big players in US Government at the time when South Carolina ceceded were from the South and redeployed large numbers of Federal Troops to the West and ORDERED them to LEAVE their stockpiles of military supplies behind in the East.
Where else do you think they got the supplies needed to wage war?
The hardware store on 5th and Main?
The vast bulk of Federal Troops were too damn far away to shoot at anything Southern until they could get back East.
That was a terrible war, but it in the end, had ended for the better.
Though, BECAUSE of a certain group of Southerners and supporters things weren't fully dealt with for a hundred years and still many more had to die because of issues that a war had been fought over were never fully addressed or completed.
Thanks to Southern Fools and the KKK we never fully healed and are still not healed from a war long over.
I ask that we accept that we all bled red in the end.
This "Army of the Free" was enslaving African-Americans. While they were supposedly trying to free the blacks in the south, they werent even bothering trying to free the blacks in the north.
RevBillyRayCollins 4 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins The North wasn't enslaving blacks, dumbass. I don't know where you got your history from, but it's very wrong.
porterbehling 4 months ago
@porterbehling You're wrong. Maryland, Kentucky, Missouri, and Delaware, four states that sided with the Union, had thousands of slaves who werent considered to be free under the emancipation proclamation, no slave was actually, and werent officially free until the 13 amend in 1865.
RevBillyRayCollins 4 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins which the North passed. The North freed all slaves after the war, and abolished slavery. And no, the proclamation didn't free the slaves, but it did make slavery illegal. And when the war ended, the NORTH ended slavery. The South never had any intentions of freeing the slaves.
also, you state it in a way that makes it sound like during the civil war, the North kept enslaving the blacks, which they didn't.
porterbehling 4 months ago
@porterbehling Oh indeed it was passed, once the war ended, dont you think if the north was fighting to free the slaves they would have passed that amend before or at least during the war? They didnt give a damn about the slaves as evident in the slaves they let their citizens keep. I said that the proclamation didnt free the slaves. Im only implying that the north claims to be the army of the free while it holds on to the institution of slavery. The CS doesnt claim to be the army of the free.
RevBillyRayCollins 4 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins the War lasted for several years, and after that, the slaves were all made free. It doesn't fucking matter that they were not freed during the war. We were fighting the bloodiest war America has ever fought. The president had other things on his mind at the time.
Also, I just checked your account... apparently, you are a big "southern Confederacy supporting traitor", so I don't think I want to continue a conversation with a racist red neck from the south. have a good day
porterbehling 4 months ago
@porterbehling Other things on his mind? Well I agree, Abe didnt give a damn about the slaves. If he did he would have freed them. Everyone knows this war was not fought to end slavery. There is nothing traitorous about the CSA, the only traitor in the whole conflict was Lincoln who swore to uphold the Const, but broke that vow dozens of times. Get your facts straight, Im not a racist nor a redneck.
RevBillyRayCollins 4 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins So please, enjoy your obese ridden, red neck filled, and racist south. I'd much rather prefer the North any day... or the west... please, don't have a good day. Because you do not deserve a good day. :)
porterbehling 4 months ago
@porterbehling Well if you cant stand up for what you believe in, then I guess you will just have to live with that descision.
RevBillyRayCollins 4 months ago
@porterbehling Whats a matter? Afraid I will beat you in this little argument? Actually I already have, and you would realize this if you were a student of history, but your just an arrogant yankee. I realize the education system in those crowded little northern shantys isnt great but you could at least read a book on your own.
RevBillyRayCollins 4 months ago
@RevBillyRayCollins afraid?... No, I just don't think fighting on a fucking youtube page about a song is worth anything. Believe me, the last thing i'm "afraid" of, is a good for nothing, coward, traitor, and a fucking racist like yourself trying to act tough, and trying to make it sound like the confederacy were the good guys. They were traitors, and they were racist bastards. And your biased stupidity, on how our great president Lincoln was a "traitor" is stupid.
porterbehling 4 months ago
"I hear tell of some sort of rebelliousness happening on the southern end of a couple of gents called Mason and Dixon. Not exactly sure what its all about but I heard it had something to do with their man asses."
quote from my dad. Them rebs is gonna get whooped at Bull Run this weekend!
bullyboy1863 6 months ago
I saw Mr. Horton in concert last month. He is very talented and charismatic.
Thx1138d 6 months ago
I would go into war marching to this any day
bmmaclean50 6 months ago
Did anyone ever notice that this is the SAME TUNE as "rising of the moon"?
glenpiper11 9 months ago
IT'S SENT IN TUNE of song called "RISING OF THE MOON" by The Dubliners ;-))
thebigmusclerex 9 months ago
@thebigmusclerex I'm afraid the 'Rising of the Moon' was a popular tune and there were numerous versions...many of which predate the Dubliners by some centuries
ajferet 8 months ago in playlist music
This song's cause had a better result than the "Rising of the Moon".
Thx1138d 5 months ago
@thebigmusclerex this song was originally Rising of the Moon but the Irish soldiers re worded it to suit their needs
markmason1000 4 months ago
@markmason1000 The original tune was not "The Rising of the Moon" as that was not written until 1865.
WildKiltBoy 3 months ago
@WildKiltBoy huh, then whats the name of the original song?
markmason1000 3 months ago
@markmason1000 its the tune of 'the wearing of the green'. another irish ballad about the 1798 rebellion. it is much older though with many different versions of the lyrics. tho it was first annonymously penned shortly after the rebellion itself
boristhedruid 1 month ago
The war was not about slavery, it was about state's sovereignty and whether or not secession was legal. Both Lee and Grant said they would resign if the war's objective was to abolish slavery. You think Andersonville was bad, research Camp Douglas near Chicago, all the crap that went on there was deliberate torture brought on by hatred for the South, Andersonville was due to the shortages brought on by the war. Wirz was tried and hung, but none of Camp Douglas' wardens were ever tried.
SuperMEntertainment 10 months ago
@SuperMEntertainment States soverignty to do what? accept it the slavery caused the war. Dont believe me read any of the southern states declarations of secession and you'll find it in there as a major cause. Virginia tried to abolish slavery 20 years before the war but the wealthy planters who were in politics shot the resolution down,do you think the state would have seceded if there had been no slaves?
markmason1000 9 months ago
@SuperMEntertainment
"The South fought on account of the thing we quarreled with the North about. I never heard of any other cause for quarrel, than slavery"
John Singleton Mosby...CSA
UnionStatesHeritage 9 months ago
@SuperMEntertainment I know about Camp Douglas. It wasn't nearly as bad as Andersonville. In fact, the conditions at some Union POW camps were better and healthier than what most CSA troops had while on campaign. Remember that disease killed more men on both sides than any battle ever did.
IronBrig4 4 months ago
LONG LIVE THE CONFEDERACY!!! TO HELL WITH YOU ALL! I LOVE AMERICA BUT IM SICK OF THIS BULL SHIT. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE SOUTH DESTROYED THE NORTH IN K/D RATIO. one day we will return and finish the job our grandfathers began.
amdsoccer94 1 year ago
@amdsoccer94
Great Grandfathers?
sargesoap 11 months ago
@sargesoap actually if you wanna get technical, its GG grandfathers, but i said grandfathers to make it sound better.
amdsoccer94 11 months ago
@amdsoccer94
Union combat-related deaths 110,000
CSA combat-related deaths 94,000
Difference 16,000
Not much of a ration considering the Union's citizen soldiers were fighting an offensive war, on enemy territory.
Union territory occupied by the South, for the duration of the war...zero.
Bring it any time. The outcome will be the same, and the next time, there won't be any of this "malice towards none", BS.
UnionStatesHeritage 10 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage your numbers are so far off. your a dumb yankee,
US combat- related deaths: 360000
CS combat- related deaths: 258000
big difference
amdsoccer94 10 months ago
@amdsoccer94
LOL...this is why it's so much fun to fuck with CSA supporters. They're all so damn stupid.
Those are the numbers for the total death toll. The majority of which, was caused by disease.
My numbers are accurate.
UnionStatesHeritage 10 months ago
@amdsoccer94
Fact is. The USA's citizen soldier occupied enemy territory for the duration of the war, successfully defended their own from rebel invasion, inflicted total defeat on the enemy, and did so in just four years, after losing half of the army's command structure to the enemy. They fought an offensive war on unfamiliar territory, in which they often had to take positions held by an entrenched enemy.
UnionStatesHeritage 10 months ago
@amdsoccer94
Once Union soldiers had repeating rifles, which negated the rebs advantage of fighting a defensive war, the Confederate casualty rate spiked way higher than the Union's, and the war came to a speedy close.
Oh yeah... the MASSIVE desertion rate by the Confederacy's conscripted soldiers, also contributed to the CSA's speedy demise.
UnionStatesHeritage 10 months ago
@amdsoccer94
Another fact...Confederate soldiers failed to successfully invade and hold ANY Union territory. Even in frontier areas like New Mexico and Colorado, where superior numbers weren't a factor.
"We will never submit to the enemy's military, or his slave despotism"...New Mexico Territorial Legislature calling for volunteers to defend the territory...which they did.
Lee got owned in Pennsylvania...slack-jawed rebs were shot to pieces by units like the Bucktail Regiment.
UnionStatesHeritage 10 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage we never mounted an offensive in the west. lee made 1 mistake at gettysburg, his only mistake of the war. there is a reason he is listed as one of the greatest leaders of all time.
amdsoccer94 10 months ago
@amdsoccer94
HAHAHAAAA....why am I not surprised...you've never heard of the New Mexico Campaign...personally authorized by Jefferson Davis...the invasion, and annexation of New Mexico, Colorado, and other western territories, including portions of Southern California which was already a state. Why?...Territorial conquest, and the seizure of the West's gold fields. Problem was, the citizens of that region did not want to be annexed into the CSA, and they fought and died to remain free...
UnionStatesHeritage 10 months ago
@amdsoccer94 cont....of the South's aggression. The New Mexico, Colorado, and California Volunteers beat back the Confederate invasion, and drove 'em back to Texas, where they came from. Rednecks from the South proved to be no match for gun-slinging cowboys, sod busters, and gold miners from the West.
Lee made a lot of mistakes...the biggest...stabbing his country in the back.
Good generals win battles, great ones win wars...despite the odds.
UnionStatesHeritage 10 months ago
@amdsoccer94
Maybe if Lee's army had spent more time fighting, and less time stealing horses, and kidnapping Blacks, they'd have accomplished more, but I seriously doubt it.
Yep, ole Bobby Lee was a typical Southern aristocrat...over-dressed, over-confident, and over-stuffed. He ran like a bitch out of my home Commonwealth, after the beating we gave him...leaving a bunch of dead Butternuts to pollute some of the best farmland in the nation.
UnionStatesHeritage 10 months ago
@UnionStatesHeritage your just pissed that the CS army completely raped the US army. lee was one of the greatest generals in history and one bitch saying he sucks doesnt change that
amdsoccer94 10 months ago
@amdsoccer94
Lee raped no one. All he did, was win some battles. Lee suffered total defeat, and the South was in economic, social, political, and military ruin after just four years of war.
Lee wasn't a great man. He was a scum bag traitor, and domestic terrorist who fought for a despicable cause.
Virginia did provide one truly great general during the Civil War....George H. Thomas who fought for the Union.
"I took an oath to defend the United States of America. I do not break my oaths".
UnionStatesHeritage 10 months ago
@amdsoccer94
HAHAHA...don't wanna touch the New Mexico Campaign do ya? Kinda blows the "South was fighting for states rights argument outta the water". You probably have no idea that CSA aspirations weren't confined to the Southwestern US. They planned to conquer and annex northern Mexico, Cuba, and even push all the way into Central America. Essentially forming a "slave empire".
UnionStatesHeritage 10 months ago
@amdsoccer94
Oh yeah, while you're at it how bout explaining why the citizens of East Tennessee, Western Virginia, and Northern Alabama, Mississippi & Georgia were denied the right by the CSA to remain in the Union, when they voted to do so, and tried to secede from the CSA?
Thought the war was about states rights and self determination? Obviously not.
UnionStatesHeritage 10 months ago
@amdsoccer94
How bout the citizens of Kansas Territory who voted for a free constitution, only to have Southern politicians use the power of the fed to try and nullify it. When their efforts failed, they attacked the citizens of Kansas, and tried to force them into the Union as a slave state. The US Secretary of War at the time, was a Southerner who believed that territories were SUBJECT to the Fed, as dictated by the states. Guess what his name was?... Jefferson Davis
UnionStatesHeritage 10 months ago
Screw the past, we need the new Army of the Free
gaikokugo1 1 year ago
England is better then both
thestarsandbars 1 year ago
For the Union, Thank god they won the war. Im glad the south lost ,otherwise we wouldnt have our beloved flag now :)
boerenyoghurt 1 year ago
Can't help, but this song is just so good
I don't really think the cause of a war changes the bravery of the soldiers. In every war. The yankees and rebels were very brave in this war but also all the soldiers in WW2 have to be respected. Germans, French, Russian...
ViccardXViccc 1 year ago
I was really born in 1839.. I'm a time traveling pixie. I lived through that war. :D
bullyboy1863 1 year ago
WTF? this sounds exactly like ''The Rising of the Moon''?????
1kuziora 1 year ago
@1kuziora indeed. Irish soldiers in the Union army had adapted old Irish songs (The Wearing of the Green, Rising of the Moon also used that tune). You'll see that often throughout wars where there are Irish Brigades. Another example, We'll Fight For Uncle Sam uses the tune from Whiskey In The Jar.
phynet 1 year ago
@phynet How much do you want to bet that the Southern Irish would have abandoned the Stars and Bars for the Stars and Stripes if the British got involved?
A forgotten note of the Civil War is the Trent Incident, in which a US warship seized Southerners about the English ship Trent and then the British government complained and were duly reminded that the US had made the same complaints before.
The British Parliament backed down after being reminded of their pre-War of 1812 actions.
FLJBeliever1776 1 year ago
@1kuziora There's alot of songs that were rewritten in this time. Wearing of the gray also sounds like this, and wearing of the green. "Kelly's Irish Brigade" was rewritten from "Lincoln and Liberty" it happens quite a bit.
bullyboy1863 1 year ago
@bullyboy1863 Lincoln and Liberty is also the same tune as the old Irish "Rosin the beau"--or the Rosin the Bow, if you like it in musical-violinist terms:..and I'll rosin my bow, and I will be merry wherever I go!"
EMesaros 1 year ago
Thing is, a strong central government IS unconstitutional.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton
Failed remark. The Constitution sets no real limit on the strength or size of the Federal Government. It simply outlines broad things it must try to accomplish, gives specific duties it has, and allows it to do anything necessary and proper to carry out these duties. It also set specific things the government cannot do.
And State governments, for that matter. Did you know it is unconstitutional for a State to join a confederation of any kind? =/
nafaidni 1 year ago
@nafaidni Go back and read the 10th amendment. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." This was actually to limit the federal power. Did you know it is unconstitutional to invade a foreign nation without congress declaring war? The 1st Battle of Manassas (Bull Run to northerners) came from that. Look up the song "Battle of Bull Run" and see how that went for ya.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton Go back and read Article One, Section Ten. That CLEARLY made the Richmond regime illegal. The 10th amendment does not void the necessary and proper clause. The Richmond regime was not a foreign nation and the constitution gives the government the power to suppress rebellion. Look up "Gettysburg" and "Appomattox Courth House" and see how those went for ya.
rexlibris99 1 year ago
@rexlibris99 Go look up the Battle of Bull Run if you want a reminder of how unconstitutionally invading the south went for you. Congress had not declared war on the CSA making Lincoln's march unconstitutional.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton The Richmond regime was not legal nor was it internationally recognized. Wars are more than single battles.
rexlibris99 1 year ago 2
@TheBoberton the commander in cheif has the power to send the military anbut only congress has the power to declare war
gobabygo90809 1 year ago
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@gobabygo90809 Yea, you kind of need to declare war before invading a country.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton Not if its your own country
Lambchop08 1 year ago
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@Lambchop08
The CSA was not part of the union when the war erupted.
It's a thing called secession, the U.S. used it to leave Britain.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton The United States government never recognized the CSA nor did any other nation, the United States was recognized by several nations after the revolution. The US was not obligated to declare war after it had been attacked on its own soil
Lambchop08 1 year ago 2
Amen to that. Unilateral secession has always been unconstitutional. If a state secedes tomorrow, declares racism the "cornerstone" of its new nation, starts raping and enslaving all white people, and opens fire on American troops, We the People STOMP THAT ASS. Real Americans pledge their allegiance to ONE nation, under God, INDIVISIBLE, with liberty and justice for ALL. Racists and traitors are free to leave---or swallow a handgun and make the world a better place.
RonPaulHatesBlacks 1 year ago 2
@TheBoberton
Strictly speaking, the U.S. could not secede from Britain because the relationship with Britain was not a voluntary union or organization, unlike the United States.
Mirkwoodelves 1 year ago
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@Mirkwoodelves
You just admitted that this is a voluntary union. Meaning the CSA could legally secede all they wanted.
Lincoln voided the contract that the constitution is when he invaded the south.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton The rebels voided their rights with in the Constitution when they decided to leave and fired on American soldiers
Lambchop08 1 year ago
@Lambchop08
Have you ever heard of the Star of the West? It was a ship that was carrying reinforcements to Sumter. The commander of the fort had agreed that no reinforcements would be sent. Then Lincoln went behind his back and sent 200 men.
The south had every right in the world to fire.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton Regardless of what the commander said, the United States nor any other country ever recognized the Confederate government, therefore those soldiers were in the United States when they were attacked by traitors. The North and Lincoln tried to prevent war but the South was determined and hostile.
Lambchop08 1 year ago
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@Lambchop08
Lincoln attempted to prevent war? By coercing the south into it?
As Davis said:
"I worked night and day for twelve years to prevent the war, but I could not. The North was mad and blind, would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came."
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@rexlibris99 I do believe that battle ended with y'all running away. All the way back to Washington.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton I do believe the war ended with y'all losing.
rexlibris99 1 year ago 2
@nafaidni And the Declaration of Independence protects our right to secede.
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." Taken DIRECTLY from the Declaration of Independence.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton
But uh... The Confederacy had pretty much the same form of government as the Union did. That statement is about tyranny and dictatorship, while the things the southern states took offense at were implemented by a government representing the people.
Mirkwoodelves 1 year ago
@Mirkwoodelves Uh no, the Confederacy had a state run government, not a federal run one. Each of the 11 states were basically their own countries, with the federal government acting as a diplomat.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@Mirkwoodelves As such, each state could make it's own laws.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton The Declaration isn't a legal document.
AssHat313 1 year ago
@AssHat313 The great Declaration of Independence! A legal document when it makes a point you support, and not one when it makes a point a Confederate supports! What a great piece of paper!
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton I mean the Declaration holds no legal significance inside of any American courtroom. It's like the Preamble of the Consitution. Using it to suggest any legal precedent just makes you sound stupid.
AssHat313 1 year ago
@AssHat313 Then Adams must be pretty damn stupid. He used it in an American courtroom, and guess what, he won the case!
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton Yeah, cuz he couldn't have possible won for being Adams.
AssHat313 1 year ago
@TheBoberton The Declaration of Independence had never been meant to be used as a legal document save as what the name states, that it was an official proclamation of a declaration of independence from the royal crown of England.
It carried no more weight than that, for the Articles of Confederacy had been written for that reason and those ultimately failed and why the Constitution was created.
FLJBeliever1776 1 year ago
I proudly carry the standard of the Union into battle.
bullyboy1863 1 year ago
wait?! the civil war is over?!?!
darklion53 1 year ago
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Since Germans and Russians are ashamed of beign associeted with the Soviet and Nazi parties Why is it that modern southerners are so darn proud of being associeted with the confederacy!? The Germans and Russians are truely sorry guys, the entertianment industry needs to shift the focus away from them and on to our less than apologetic neo-confederate nieghbors and have them as the featured villians of all of our non-modern war games and movies.
ShermansWarHammer 1 year ago
The South is staunchly FOR democracy.
They just don't like it when it doesn't support all their REAL ideals ;). Then they're, "God damnit, we ain't gunna let them Yanks get a nigga-loving radical intur the presidency! We's gunna secede!"
I am refering to both 1860 and 2008 in this statement. Amazing how well it applies to both!
"History repeats itself because no one was listening the first time."
nafaidni 2 years ago 7
not really instances you can compare...
smarzotais 1 year ago
he, i just read that quote in Empire total war a few days ago ^^
ViccardXViccc 1 year ago
@nafaidni im a bit different because i feel that lincoln was a great prez but i feel obama has raped the constitution.
gobabygo90809 1 year ago
@gobabygo90809
Mind explaining how Obama raped the Constitution? (No, the Health Care Reforms do not count)
Lincoln, btw, also "raped" the Constitution by eventually getting the South under a temporary military dictatorship and forcing a good deal of its population from not voting, getting a very (old) Democratic Southern population an entirely (old) Republican government. He also suspended habeas corpus.
Of course, people tend to forget the means when the end is glorious, as he proved.
nafaidni 1 year ago
@nafaidni i feel that his radical reforms on how businesses are run in the stimulus package went too far. he seems like he wants to do right, but his actions are driving america towards the socialist systems of western europe and canada. i know that lincoln placed many strict acts on states during the war, but the constitution says that actions like that can be taken during times of war or rebellion, or in this case, both.
gobabygo90809 1 year ago
BTW - Did some of you know that the Confederacy's vice president, Alexander H. Stephen, had said in March of 1861 that slavery was the natural condition of blacks, and the cornerstone on which the new government was founded?
Like it or not, slavery WAS an issue, & these cover-up's by neo-reb's to make it seem like it was not is total nonsense. Don't fall for it.
Zeeboe 2 years ago 5
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For those of you who say slavery was not an issue -
1. Why is that EVERY state that betrayed the United States of America was a slave state? Not ONE free state sought membership with the traitors. Why?
2. What do you believe was the biggest change that came as a result of the Civil War?
3. If there had been no slavery, do you think the Civil War still would have happened?
Zeeboe 2 years ago
Finally......if the south was right, why is it that the overwhelming majority of Americans CHOOSE to fight against the rebels? (This does include many, MANY southern's who remained loyal to the Union.)
Zeeboe 2 years ago 4
Most rebel troops did now own slaves, & they were against the idea of leaving the Union. That includes Robert E. Lee, & Thomas Jackson.
Most rebs were just poor dirt farmers defending their loves one & their homes, & did not care which side won, just as long as their family members & their homes were left unharmed, & many were very happy when the war was finally over.
Even they knew what Jeff Davis & their "government" did was wrong.
Zeeboe 2 years ago
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I truly don't know how those that hoist the flag of the confederacy are not considered traitors nor the tons of statues dedicated to confederates in the South considered treacherous. I mean how can you call yourself American when the Confederacy clearly tried to get France and Britain to declare war on their native land. Not to mention the crimes against humanity with slavery but trying to divide not just by southern muskets but by foreign ones too! Sherman was right to burn the South down!
theone1087 2 years ago
You are confusing the gov't of the alleged Confederacy w/ the actions of ordinary troopers who simply fought for their home as they understood it. Not all Southerners sympathized w/ the CSA. Many actually fought against it. But in such a time of crisis, things are not always clear.
In saying that, I love Lincoln & the newer & greter Unioin he bequeathed to us.
VictorLepanto 2 years ago
Long live the Confederacy.
American consumerism is ruining our countryside and the world. And, I'm sure if my great great grandfather had known Yankees would free all slaves in America and use it as war propaganda, he'd picked his own damn cotton.
MikeMotes 2 years ago
It is astonishing that the absurdity of whining about consumerism in one breath & celebrating a gov't dedicated to defending the fundamental right to treat a whole race of human beings as consumer products in the next doesn't strike you. If you have no taste for consumer products, live like the Amish off your own homemade products. Though even the Amish don't usually try it anymore. If you are above living off of consumer products, run around naked in the woods eat whatever bugs you can catch.
VictorLepanto 2 years ago 4
I only advocate that men should be free. I meant that slavery was being abolished worldwide at the time, humanity was growing, we realized it was an unnecessary evil with the advent of steam power. It was not like the Northern Americans just up and decided to free the world of slavery, from my point of view Yankees excel at WMDs weapons of mass distraction. The war was really over my right to self govern. I feel Men must be free and will be when the Amish start making computers and LCD screens.
MikeMotes 2 years ago
Slavery was being abolished world wide. That is why the beneficiaries of slavery in the South had become so militant in perpetuating their privileges. They wanted to not only preserve it in inperpetuity in their then current states, they wanted to expand it into the West & South into Latin America. Go read their actual rhetoric on the subject. & the Soviet Union & Nazi Germany practiced considerable slavery w/ industrialization, as Red China does now.
VictorLepanto 2 years ago
I agree with you theone1087. Heck, Sherman did what he did as a result of what the rebels were doing to Union troops at Andersonville, and what they did to Union troops at Fort Hood.
Zeeboe 2 years ago 16
Point Lookout was just a bad
gnnr602 2 years ago
@Zeeboe
And what we did at Andersonville was a result of your Camp Douglas.
"Prisoners were deprived of clothing to discourage escapes. Many wore sacks with head and arm holes cut out; few had underwear. Blankets to offset the bitter northern winter were confiscated from the few that had them. The weakest froze to death. The Chicago winter of 1864 was devastating.
(cont)
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton i think geography had to do with a great deal of it. prisoners died at johnstons island, elmira, and douglas in great numbers during the winter, while at andersonville and libby prison most of the deaths were in the summer months. southern neglect for prisoners began at the start of the war, as they could barely feed their own men, let alone the enemy. northern abuses began after a portion of pemberton's army captured at vicksburg violated their paroles
mackshayster 3 months ago
(cont)
The loss of 1,091 lives in only four months was heaviest for any like period in the camp's history, and equaled the deaths at the highest rate of Andersonville from February to May, 1864. Yet, it is the name of Andersonville that burns in infamy, while there exists a northern counterpart of little shame."
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton - The reason why more people know about Andersonville is because of the film about it that came out in 1996 on TNT.
The way I see it is that the South has had PLENTY of movies all about their struggles whereas the Union has had very little. The truth is, not all of those men were bad men and plenty of them had to go through hell too.
"It is well that war is so terrible - otherwise we would grow too fond of it." Robert E. Lee
Zeeboe 1 year ago
@Zeeboe And compared to later wars, the South got off light. Though a Confederate Cavalry Division eternally confirmed the South's pro-Slavery ways when they slaughter helpless Black civilians that had been following Sherman's troops when they had been cut off from the protection of the Union soldiers.
Seriously, they rode into them with Sabers drawn and flashing and by the end of the afternoon they were covered thickly in blood of non-combatants!
FLJBeliever1776 1 year ago
@FLJBeliever1776 Compared to any other rebellion in history that was crushed they got off very light
Lambchop08 1 year ago
@Lambchop08 Perhaps too light. Some should have been rounded up and put to the rope. It should be noted that that same Confederate Cavalry Force was the nucleus of the later Ku Klux Klan, including its officers and commander, if I'm not mistaken of course.
A Union officer was nearly court martial over that affair and had to be reassigned for a while, he finally got back into the thick of things during the Modoc War.
FLJBeliever1776 1 year ago
@FLJBeliever1776 You are not mistaken, Confederate General Nathaniel Bedford Forrest was the founder of the Klan.
Lambchop08 1 year ago
@Lambchop08 Great, another organization in the US that was founded by war criminals. Can the police now start shooting Klansmen on sight?
FLJBeliever1776 1 year ago
@FLJBeliever1776 I dont know if it still is, but the Klan was considered a terrorist organization for awhile
Lambchop08 1 year ago
@Lambchop08 Then why can't we shot them on sight?
It would be good target practice for the soldiers to use the Klan as target practice, even better for the police who will probably need the experience in case the Defeatists have their way.
FLJBeliever1776 1 year ago
@FLJBeliever1776 I think because the police dont like people being vigilantes, but you are right, they would be good target practice, and it would definitley cut down the numbers of the south if they rebelled again
Lambchop08 1 year ago
@Lambchop08 Well... Why can't they just go out and shot them! Plus I doubt they want to rebel again. They wouldn't get as much support this time after all the truth of the last time.
FLJBeliever1776 1 year ago
Did you see the miniseries "Andersonville"?
Thx1138d 11 months ago
@Thx1138d - I sure have.
Zeeboe 11 months ago
@Zeeboe vary true but we must understand that the C.S.A had trouble feeding there own troops not counting clothing,blankets ect.And i feel I must mention a certain camp I beleve was point lookout were black Confederates were shot when entering the gates while white confederates got quarter.
mtpj9654 10 months ago
nice song, nice tune too. personal, i´m for the south, but i like some songs of the Yanks ;)
ViccardXViccc 2 years ago 2
My dad wrote the best every reenactor version and it has basicly become the themesong of our unit.
"We not the army of the free
Not the Army of the free
We are merely reenactors not the Remy of the free."
Some day i'll have to upload it.
LordTharrion 2 years ago 3
People...check your local library for the book "Bitterly Divided, the South's Inner Civil War"
by David Williams.
It blows the Lost Cause Myth out of the water. Even better, the author is Southern born, and bred.
The book is a Southern perspective of the war
that the Sons of Confederate Veterans, and United Daughters of the Confederacy would love to continue suppressing, but no longer have the cultural clout to do so.
wolfencrow 2 years ago 9
I heard there was actually some kind of fight over the book by the two groups that went physical, but I haven't have the time to look it up.
Either way, according to some evidence, though I'm not entirely sure, I may well be from the bloodline of the Gist Family who fought for the South, namely State's Rights Gist and his father.
I'm currently learning my history, but my family is of the Gist name, though I do not have it.
My family has a long and proud service history for the US of A.
FLJBeliever1776 2 years ago
Most pro-Confederates today claim that the Civil War was fought over states rights but why should you be concernd about states rights when individual rights are being violated. I am not of African decent [infact I am a decendent of William T. Sherman himself.] but I strongly believe that every individual has rights that can not be violated. Individual rights > States rights, this is my argument.
WesleyHeckendorn 2 years ago
I 2nd that.
Robertz1986 2 years ago
Funny how a region that spent 50 years using the full force of federal power to preserve and expand the 'property rights' of an elite minority, suddenly wrapped themselves in the mantle of states rights, once the majority had enough of being bullied, and voted for change.
Gotta love the Confederate two step.
wolfencrow 2 years ago 7
I concur.
It has become politically accepted that the war was an issue of States Rights.
The truth, if one delves further back in time, is that it had always been about individual rights and freedoms.
Slavery had been the issue.
California was to be split under a demand from Southern members of Congress.
We voted no and the rest of the United States of America agreed.
That was our right as a State to say no, we will not be divided into Free and Slave.
The Civil War was a decade later.
FLJBeliever1776 2 years ago 4
There were numerous other factors as well. Beside whether or not slavery is moral, which it is not, there is the question of the right to self govern. The government should not protect a man's right to own another man, but the people of that government must be allowed to make their own decision. A proper government makes itself useless by empowering the individual citizens with the means of self sufficiency, because nobody likes to be told what to do that is beyond what is absolutely necessary.
MikeMotes 2 years ago
Yes, but at the same time, the government needs to moniter the situation and act when one cannot do so because of some form of retardation.
Retard is not a form of mental capacity, but rather it means 'to be held back, stagnanted.'
The issue of the Civil War was not an issue of the Government.
True to form, the South founded the Ku Klux Klan and has been terrorizing Americans ever since.
I'm glad when I say my family at least had its head on straight.
FLJBeliever1776 2 years ago
That is quite true and if you look further back, the whole State's Rights claim is fake. The Comprise of 1850 allowed California (my home state) to join the Union as a whole and free state, which was against the South's will.
The Comprise allowed bounty hunting of escaped slaves in Northern territories and often those 'Slaves' were born in the North and thus were sent South as 'Recaptured' Slaves.
Another comprise was created earlier as well, the 1 Free - 1Slave State Rule.
FLJBeliever1776 1 year ago 2
good job. Great song and video. Keep more coming.
bullyboy1863 2 years ago
there are some great songs and music on here from the War of 61...for those of you interested I can tell you that the gravesites of the blue and gray buried here in the Uk are properly cared for ...and for those of you who like to nit-pick....some of these ARE Afro-American.
holaryhilary 2 years ago
Excellent upload Stonewallmatze! Hearing these songs are like walking back through history. These are the tunes troops used to sing in spite of the stress and pain going through such a war. It gave them moral and a sense of duty and honor.
galatian5 2 years ago
some interesting comments on here BUT....do you know that some of the richest men in antebellum America were afro-Americans and that every single one of them made their wealth either through slave trading or slave labour ? I am an SCV member....and a SUVCW member.....
I have the honour of caring and preserving the War of 61 gravesites here in Britain
holaryhilary 2 years ago
There is a book here in the Spartanburg SC , library.
It stated that free blacks who became prosperous, engaged in slavery (in part) as a means of gaining status among wealthy, Southern whites.
I didn't get a chance to read the whole book, but I know some Southern states were not tolerant of free blacks. Some passed laws requiring free blacks to leave, or face being re-enslaved.
wolfencrow 2 years ago
That's irrelivent, Freedom is a guarantee by the constitution. You do not have Liberty in chains and enslaved.
IslandersMets10 2 years ago
States rights huh? Sure i'm all on favor of states rights but what about the rights of the Slaves? Do they not deserve Liberty? God Bless the Union
IslandersMets10 2 years ago 4
The slaves in the south were treated batter
than the free blacks in the north. Look at the lickings and murders in NY between 1861 and 1865
dukeofdixie 2 years ago
That is absolute bull.
Whites in my home Commonwealth, risked the threat of death and property destruction, to hide our black citizens from Robert E. Lee's army, during Confederate occupation.
The CSA's policy, whenever they occupied Union territory, was to declare black citizens contraband. They rounded them up, put them in chains, and marched them South as slaves.
Men, women, and children.
wolfencrow 2 years ago
The gray coats forced some Pennsylvanians at bayonet point, to assist with the 'round up'.
A group of Confederate soldiers led by a Confederate chaplain, no less, threatened to burn a town unless they were paid for the 'contraband' that had escaped their efforts.
One community refused local blacks who offered to surrender themselves peacefully to the Confederates, and instead helped them escape.
LOL...I'll bet that's a piece of living history CSA reenactors fail to portray @ Gettysburg.
wolfencrow 2 years ago
You sad your mind was open.Well you should
read Gen Butter forced slaves to work on
plantation so hie brother could rob the oners
of the crops, he gave them 25% of the value.
When the union occupied southern territory,
They voluntary insisted the slaves in the army
at the point of the bayonet. some freedom.
If 2+2=5 in a book , you should find some
other book to read.
dukeofdixie 2 years ago
Eyewitness accounts, written by people who lived through it. By official sanction of the CSA's government, Confederate soldiers were agents of slavery.
I've also read the accounts of CSA soldiers forcing blacks impressed into service, to load their cannon, because they were too cowardly to face Union sharpshooters.
CSA official policy also required the execution of any captured black Federal soldiers, which was carried out with RELISH, by Confederates.
Saltville Massacre, Ft. Pillow etc...
wolfencrow 2 years ago
I'm sure there were unscrupulous Union soldiers that preyed on blacks, but it wasn't officially sanctioned. Therein lies the difference.
Yeah, I suppose you believe that all of those immigrants, who fought bravely for the USA, were forced to, as well.
wolfencrow 2 years ago
Union soldiers did led by union officers burn
southern town with people in them by order of
Lincoln. I dont think you have any combat,
because if you did, there is no way in hell
you would put your life in the hands of some
one who forced to load a cannon, As far as being cowards, I have seen more
yankees Piss and Shit in there panes
under fire, than i have southern blacks or whites. You need to read the Official
Records, Southern sailors B & W's were murder by Lincoln Orders.
dukeofdixie 2 years ago
LOL...Have you ever seen the photographs of Chambersburg after the rebs got through with it?
Your talking about people who were willing to eat the food prepared by people they bought and sold like cattle.
Besides, when you've got a rifle pointed at someone's back, you kind of have the upper hand.
The kid that was recently awarded the Medal of Honor for throwing himself on a grenade, was from Pennsylvania. The family that recently lost two sons in Iraq were from California...
wolfencrow 2 years ago 3
The top sniper in Iraq was an upper middle class Bostonian, then there were the fireman at 9/11, the people on flight 93, and so on.
You're quite a piece of work.
wolfencrow 2 years ago 3
not blacks in the union army, but slaves under
arms, and not all of them. The ones that were
executed were done so in accordance with
US laws that were still in the law books at the time. The CSA POW's that were executed by the union .had not violated any laws. There is
records that show that some slaves and free
blacks came from the rear lines during some
battle and maned the CSA guns when the crews were killed. War of the Rebellion
Official Records of the Union & Confederate Armys
dukeofdixie 2 years ago
oh yes and I'm sure that those poor black folk just loved their massah, and none of them ever wanted to escape to the north where even if they weren't really equal the weren't being whipped in the cotton fields. Prick.
asmodeon 2 years ago
Slaves under arms eh? You're full of crap.
Mass. 54th, and regiments like them, weren't slaves under arms.
So you consider CSA soldiers slaughtering, scalping, and mutilating Black Federals while they were surrendering to be in 'accordance with the law". Again, full of crap.
Blacks with the CSA who were killed by Union soldiers were the victims of individuals during the heat of battle. It was not officially sanctioned or condoned. Confederates were acting UNDER ORDERS.
wolfencrow 2 years ago 2
Just as i suspected,, If you don't like the Massage, Kill the Massager. If i tell you that over 1,000,000 unborn baby's are killed each year and it is with in the law. you will say that i like to kill unborn baby's. The truth is killing unborn baby's
is murder. First 54 Mass. formed early 1863.
1007 men only 133 were from Mass. On
15-18 July 1863, 600 a salted Ft Wagner SC
with heavy losses about 1/3 killed wonded
& captured.OR Sears 1 vol 28 U&C reports
show no one was slaughtered.
dukeofdixie 2 years ago
I, myself, am an amatuer historian and there have been no reports of such incidents.
Perhaps, they were trying to load the cannons and turn them on the Confederates.
Most say it was a War of States Rights, that is nothing more than BULL SHIT!
Look further back in history and you will find that the South had repeatedly, REPEATEDLY, declared that they would cecede from the Union if there weren't equal number of Free States and Slave States.
California became the match that lit that gun powder.
FLJBeliever1776 2 years ago 2
lickings? I'm sure you meant lynchings. And regardless of any violence there in the north for the 4 years of the war, what about the 250 years of slavery in the south? you act like those were some how rosy years where the simple black folk just happily when about their work in the fields, whistling a la Disney style
asmodeon 2 years ago
My family did not have slaves, and worked side by side with the slaves. No one sad it was
good times. most lived from hand to mouth.
dukeofdixie 2 years ago
Neither did mine, they worked the land on free soil. And despite the fact they'd only come from germany 15 years before, it seems that my great great great grandfather was a bigger patriot than your's.
asmodeon 2 years ago
If you call supporting some one who nullify the
constitution, violating all of the bill of rights,
and putting 25,000 northern people in jill
with out charges for speaking the trouth,
shooting down new's papers and starting a war over taxes. Being a patriot, then
i am glade my family was not your stile of
patriot.
dukeofdixie 2 years ago
Lincoln's war measures were weakly enforced, and never meant to be permanent.
By comparison, the Confederacy waged a reign of terror against Southern Unionists. They massacred German settlers in Texas, made it a crime to even speak against slavery. They forcibly removed Sam Houston as Gov. of Texas, for refusing to swear allegiance to the CSA, AND were the first to pass conscription laws. However, they exempted large slave holders.
wolfencrow 2 years ago
I've heard about that massacre and what happened when Sam Houston refused to surrender the Stars and Stripes.
In fact some rebels tried to capture the flag of Fort McHenry! Though the commander had hidden the flag inside his blanket and while the rebels looked everywhere else, they couldn't find the Old Glory!
Heck, a Winconsion Regiment had a Bald Eagle named Old Abe with them when they went into battle and the rebels had placed a bounty on the bird's head, but they never could get him!
FLJBeliever1776 2 years ago
I've read about Old Abe, when I was a teenager. There was an article in my Dad's American Legion Magazine, about that regiment. I'd almost forgotten it. Thanks for sparking my memory.
I had not heard about the flag at Fort McHenry.
Awesome!
The story of Southern Unionists like Houston, is finally starting to get told in more detail. A number of Southerners with Union heritage are starting blogs, and telling their family's story.
Renegade South is a good one, as is Cenantua's Blog.
wolfencrow 2 years ago
Hmm...
I shall take a look at those.
I have known that there were a great many who refused to carry arms or even sanction the Rebellion.
More than half of Tenesse was against the Rebellion, or so I've heard and read.
There were actually several massacres of Southern and Black Union Forces all across the CSA.
That was main reason why General Grant suspended prisoner exchanges and why many Southern soldiers were mistreated even more so in Union POW Camps.
FLJBeliever1776 2 years ago
Well I suppose my "Style" of Patriot is different than yours as mine does not include starting a war because my favored candidate did not win an election, nor does it include the fracturing of my nation. My style of Patriot is loyal to his country, not to local or even regional politics, and certainly not to a slave holding aristocracy.
asmodeon 2 years ago
You need to read, instead of lesion to people
that dont know there head from a hole in the
ground. The War was started by the north. before the first shot was fired, and it was
over TAXES. the payed 80% of the taxes and received only 20% of the benefits. With the taxes from the south the north could pay the
bills. Read The War of the Rebellion, The
Official Records of the Union and Confederate
Armies. And the Naves. It will open your Eyes.
dukeofdixie 2 years ago
TAXES!!!
What the FRAK!
Dude, some of the big players in US Government at the time when South Carolina ceceded were from the South and redeployed large numbers of Federal Troops to the West and ORDERED them to LEAVE their stockpiles of military supplies behind in the East.
Where else do you think they got the supplies needed to wage war?
The hardware store on 5th and Main?
The vast bulk of Federal Troops were too damn far away to shoot at anything Southern until they could get back East.
FLJBeliever1776 2 years ago
Also, the American Army of the period was tiny... about the size of 2 modern divisions and most ly used to protect settlers from Indians.
--
The Confederate arsenal came from a mixture of Federal depots & state arsenals, in addition to smuggled weapons purchased from Britain and France
ajferet 2 years ago
Thank you.
That was a terrible war, but it in the end, had ended for the better.
Though, BECAUSE of a certain group of Southerners and supporters things weren't fully dealt with for a hundred years and still many more had to die because of issues that a war had been fought over were never fully addressed or completed.
Thanks to Southern Fools and the KKK we never fully healed and are still not healed from a war long over.
I ask that we accept that we all bled red in the end.
FLJBeliever1776 2 years ago 5
lol the yankees have fruity songs. freedom shackles ya! the soviet union was a good union too! lol. tools to the end.
defaultuser11433 2 years ago
.........whiskey in the jar.....
RogueRover 2 years ago 2