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  • world + war = C&C

  • Kane left Earth in C&C 4, because of what EA did to westwood.

  • Originally there were only 3 intended CnC games: Tiberian Dawn, Tiberian Sun, and Tiberian Twilight (the three stages of a full day length), but Westwood studios was sold before the original CnC3 was supposed to come out. EA completely changed the storyline when they created CnC3, as we were never really supposed to know what the Scrin were. Their overall mystery was far more appealing than what they became. I Sad.

  • @zarektlek notice that just about ALL of the Scrin units were modeled after insects? It shows how uncreative EA tends to be sometimes... (mechapede = centipede, Hexapod = ant, devastator = stag beetle)

  • The part starting at 1:05 is proof that Frank Klepacki was dropping the bass back in 1999 harder, heavier, and better than most, if not all, dubstep DJs do today.

  • This song is so :nod:

    Scary as hell! Love it.

  • C'mon, guys, what's the big deal? Tiberium is the name given to the alien substance according to the Tiber river in Italy, close to the location where Tiberium was found first in 1995. Tiberian is an adjective relating to Tiberium (as in Texxan is an adjective for something relating to Texas).

  • Agreed. EA does suck. But we don't need to make a big scene because of it. This music... this... RTS legacy... this is all the proof we need...

  • @TheBranderrShow EA does suck generally but TW 3 was very good. I'm sure even Joesph Ducane would agree. Kane's Wrath was even better. TS is for Tiberium nostalgics what Fallout 1 is for Interplay Nostalgics, a look back at the older style of games. Truth be told TS was way too GRIMDARK for me. It was almost eerie in a way. TW 3 showed the universe off a lil better. Just my opinion though!

  • @Bachinator009 THe main thing that got me about TW was the damn digression of technology. And what happened to cyborgs and mutants?

    I can understand cyborgs and CABAL. But without an AI, they wouldn't have to worry. And mutants should be even mutantier. (yes it is a word, in my mind.)

    It was nice, but I'm a nostalgic personally, when it comes to C&C.

  • @TheBranderrShow Actually in Kane's Wrath they brought back mutants and Nod actually reaches a pinnacle in tech. Look up the Marked of Kane. Plus nobody gives a shit about mutants.

  • @Bachinator009 I gave a shit about mutants. Yes, they pissed me off to no extent in campaign and skirmishes, but they still made for an interesting obstacle, and for a powerful "ally" if you will. You lead visceroids and tiberium fiends into an enemy base, they'll do serious damage, as shown in Nod mission 2 of TS Firestorm.

    But the "shiners" were another interesting thing as well. They helped develop the storyline.

    C&C 3 was good, but I think it had more potential.

  • @Bachinator009 it was supposed to be eerie

    toxic extraterrestrial lifeforms spreading unstoppably over the entire planet and rendering most of it uninhabitable, basically bringing the world to an end...

  • awaiting orders

  • Pizza FTW

  • This should definitely be listened while wearing headphones...

  • @FallowerofHank whats wrong with that comment ? everyone likes pizza.

  • WTF is up with the second comment in the top?!

    What does it have to do with a flurry of fire?!

    And can we STFU about EA?! We all know they suck. Enough said about half a billion comments ago.

  • Sorry i missed the "like button" - first time im posting this kinda YT crap...but its real sry for now 2 dislikes :S

  • srsly can we have ONE comment that doesn't mention EA?!

    *read's @elderlyonshigheldar 's highest rated comment*

  • God, it seems only EA could fuck this awesome series up.

  • Ion Cannon Ready *clicks at EA headquarters*

    Mission Accomplished

  • @ButteryAndBubbly HAHA little did you know Kane stored a Liquid Tiberium Bomb underneath EA headquarters! YOU HAVE FULFILLED KANE's PROPHECY! The Ascension is nigh my brothers!

  • PERSONALLY, my favorite c&c is Red Alert 2 Yuri's revenge. Iv'e had some cracking LAN games on it! Plus the music and retro graphics kicks ass! I was never huge on Tiberian Sun but i always loved the music. But i hate tiberian, its a pain in the ass....Ore for life.

  • ehmm ... sir we are detecting Electronic arts... where fucked...

  • This is the time where GDI and NOD should ally each other in order to destroy EA's headquarters.

  • @rocky96191 Command and Conquer 5: Tiberian Revolution. Not TiberiUM, EA fucktards. I guess it was obvious they'd ruin the series if they couldn't even get the name right. Seriously, Tiberium Wars instead of at least giving us the courtesy of calling it Tiberian Wars? The list of mistakes starts there and never ends.

  • @l0rf I prefer calling it tiberium because it sounds more toxic and dangerous, unlike tiberian which is very hard to pronounce

  • @ArmorTalons310 Tiberian is hard to pronounce?

  • This is the Mobile Sensor Array (MSA)

  • @KingamongmenIIV they aint harvesters there moblie detection things

  • Let's be honest here, the best C&C are the following: C&C95/Covert Operations, Red Alert/Counter-strike, Red Alert 2/Yuri's Revenge, Generals/Zerohour, C&C3 Tiberium Wars/Kanes Wrath.....that is all. 

  • My favourite C&C game. second is RA2 for me.

  • I like pizza.

  • @ElderLyonsHighEldar

    That's spectacular

  • @ElderLyonsHighEldar how is this related to pizza?

  • @ElderLyonsHighEldar it does sounds like pizza

  • @ElderLyonsHighEldar epic random comment.

  • Yeah, after Westwood has been bought by EA, Command & Conquer is not (and will never be) the same :(

  • zero hour wasnt bad in my opinion :(

    but god i couldnt begin count the number of hours I spent on ra2+tibsun, espcially when i discovered mods

  • @Yiyas I agree, Zero Hour is very nice... But not as nice as Tiberian Sun. Damn this game is so awesome!

  • C&C 1, Tiberian Sun, Red Alert 1 and Redalert (all with expansions) were, hell, still ARE such great games in almost every aspect. Tiberian sun is still one of my favorate games and I dont think any other game can replace it. EA really raped C&C. From Generals it already went down hill with aswell for Tiberian Wars. But Red Alrt 3 and Tiberian Twilight were an insult to us C&C fans.

  • @YYMONSTER To be honest the highlight of RA3 for me were al the abilities but mostly the empire of the rising sun, C&C 3 was decent, i loved the idea of infantry squads, but C&C 4 isn't even C&C at all, i LOVED generals, especially with zero hour, and spamming laser tanks against the tank general, fun times, but my all time fav game has to be RED ALERT 1, nothing quite wakes you up like a 5 min 20 heavy tank soviet rush in a skirmish hehe

  • wait... isn't that a RA2 song ?

  • i saw all the comments about RA3 and i was hoping they were wrong...

    sorry for doubting you guys..EA raped all successors of Westwood's glorious era

  • Love this one

  • i have so many memmories from when in the past tiberian sun came out thank god my brother showed me cnc

    R.I.P Westwood <3

    EA CAN SUCK MY NUTS!

    ts is better than cnc 3 & 4

  • This song used to drive me crazy rofl!

    Ah good ol times!

  • guys halp hes gonna tell youtube on us :(((((

  • OK so count you guys lucky. I can't report you so I'll just ignore you anyways. Oh and one more thing, capricorn, your an ignorant jackass.

  • @CommandoNikomer Mummy! This dickwad made me cry! Piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii-J­UST KIDDING!!!!

  • Oh boy, what a hilarious thread!

  • @MuppyWithAGreatDick you blew it, your bullying, so i'm gonna go tell youtube that you did not stop when i asked you. this goes for all that made a word of fun of me, and i hope if was fun for you.

  • @CommandoNikomer Mommy mommy, a real man told me how stupid and wrong I am... I'm gonna cry... wheee!

  • @CommandoNikomer Hahahahaha. Oh poor you, has everyone hurt your feelings ? :'(

  • @MuppyWithAGreatDick  Hahahahahahaha awesomeness dude!!! Total ownage and pwnageness for u. (<--- gamer words) :D

  • @CommandoNikomer cry some more kid,you started it after all...

  • @CommandoNikomer If you actually READ what Westwood said about Tiberian Sun you'd know that they originally INTENDED it to be 3D, but it was not in the end, and C&C didn't see 3D until Generals. They used 3D studio max to make the concept 3D models before the decided to scrap them. You are so fuckin' dumb. Have you even played Tiberian Sun? How can you look at that game and with confidence think ANYTHING in that game is 3D? Thank God it isn't because 3D in those days was ugly as fuck. 2D wins.

  • @CommandoNikomer The models are created in 3D and then are imported into the (2D) game engine where they are converted to (gasp) 2D. Starcraft was made the same way. This does not make any of the many games made this way 3D.

  • @CommandoNikomer

    You illiterate imbecile, they used 3D models which were rendered into 2D images. Most games are made like that because nobody will draw by hand that many graphic elements.

    You must be one of the most stupid people I've had the misfortune of reading. And not only are you stupid, you're illiterate too. Just grow a few years before ruining the internet for everybody.

  • @CommandoNikomer They didn't use 3D until C&C Generals. Are you trolling or really this dumb?

  • @CommandoNikomer and C&C Renegade doesn't count, that was first person.

  • @CommandoNikomer And how about it stops now before I launch an ICBM to deal with this

  • @racer927 yeaaahh... umm this little ordeal went on a year ago, if you noticed the datestamp lol... and I was kinda hoping that these people would get over it, because a year ago I was a little bit light headed as far as graphics go... ok so they're 2D, I agree with you man it really needs to just end.

  • NOOB UNINSTALL RIGHT NOW!

  • next to pharotek, this is my favorite in-game song.

  • Just completed this game, and I did like it (especially the cutscenes). Only flaw was that the missions were short and either ridiculously easy or annoyingly difficult. But I enjoyed it. Well worth the time I spent on this.

  • Alright, who's the asshole who disliked this? Are you from EA? That's the only reason I could think of, only someone from EA could hate the old C&C.

  • I live for the BROTHERHOOD OF NOD!!!!

  • Brings back Memories of 1999 to 2006 when I played Tiberian Sun & Firestorm with the Music all the way up - Love Westwood Studios & Command & Conquer!

    PEACE THROUGH POWER!

    MY LIFE FOR KANE! LONG LIVE THE BROTHERHOOD!

    C & C 4 IS THE LAST GAME {IT FAILS NOD MISERABLY) OF THE SERIES BUT THE BROTHERHOOD OF NOD WILL LIVE FOREVER IN THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE FAITHFULL!

    LONG LIVE JOE _ KANE_ KUCAN & THE BROTHERHOOD OF NOD!!!!

    DAVID EHRLICH (SYDNEY< AUSTRALIA)

  • I took a look at C&C4's Metacritic score: 67 based on 27 reviews.

    I hate to say it EA, but we told you so.

    Wait, what am I saying? I love saying that! Great job ruining the series EA!

  • Join Nod today, for we are offering delicious cooking recipes that involve the cooking of mutants and the use of Tiberium seasoning to help you prepare the best dinners ever.

    Remember-the Blue Tiberium seasoning has more kick to it!

  • old tiberian sun:

    -Good game play

    -Music

    -No overpowered units

    -Good maps

    -Hard campaign

    EA's Tiberian wars:

    -Good graphics

  • @werwar666

    -Good graphics that lag the game.

  • wow.. such awesome music for those older C&C games, too bad we lose that for the graphics :(

  • @aznphil88 we lost the graphics too. The old 2D artstyle of Tiberian Dawn and Tiberian Sun trump the newer games.

  • @Blitzkitchen

    fyi all C&C games, even the very first one, was designed in 3D... i know it's hard to believe, but 3D wasn't very... "graphic", if you will, back in 1995...

  • @CommandoNikomer uh no. Not only is their view 2D (isometric) but all the objects are 2D sprites and the terrain and scenery are 2D with layering. Don't let the illusion created by layering and shadows make you believe they are 3D.

    Anyway my point was they still look better than the newer games due to an awesome artstyle. 3D does not automatically make something look good.

  • @Blitzkitchen

    lets not get into an arguement but after research all C&C games are in 3D

  • @CommandoNikomer You are blatantly wrong. Yeah I'm going to argue with you. I know for a fact that Tiberian Dawn, Tiberian Sun, Red Alert, and Red Alert 2 are on 2D isometric engines. You are 14 years old so I don't expect you to grasp this. You probably think "HURR DURR IS HAS SHADOWSZ THEY ARE 3D." Idiot.

    My original point still stands though, despite being 2D they still look better than the newer 3D games.

  • @Blitzkitchen

    AHH STALKER!!!

  • @CommandoNikomer that's the N64 version. And it was only for a few things. You fail. Way to make a horrible job at covering up your bullshit AND quote from Wikipedia you dicksuck.

  • @CommandoNikomer And remember that the N64 version looked worse than its contemporary 2D C&C games? yeah, back to my original fucking point.

  • @Blitzkitchen

    first of all, if the C&C games were in 2D, your computer would crash of memory overload. There would be wwaayy too much graphics in one window for the memory to handle it, espically on the old systems like 95, which averaged about 256KB of RAM. second of all, it would literally take years to design a game with so many units from so many different angles and perspectives.

  • @CommandoNikomer And there you have it. CommandoNikomer doesn't know anything.

  • @CommandoNikomer

    Apparently you know very little of computers. You are so wrong in both counts that its not even funny. 2D doesn't require to "design" a unit from many different angles - you need 8 but considering how small the infantry are, you would get away with even less. That's not much and easily possible with 90's game-engines. Secondly, I'd love to see the Windows95 which runs on 258KB of RAM :D

  • @Garfunkel7486 Appearently I didn't ask your opinion.

  • @CommandoNikomer Apparently (it doesn't need e in the middle) you are writing in the Internet, meaning everything is public. Nothing stops me from butting in and pointing out your stupidity.

  • @CommandoNikomer

    You are very confused about something. It's physically impossible to have a computer running Win95 and also have 256kb or RAM. Most likely that is the cache you're talking about.

    Also, how old are you? 13? "3 dumbasess pwned" is 13 year old material.

    PS. Learn to write.

    PPS. Retard.

  • @MuppyWithAGreatDick Looks like you need to learn how to write, dumbas'e'.

  • @CommandoNikomer No it does not. Even 286 PCs from the 1980s already had 1024KB of RAM or more. It is physically impossible for Windows 95 to run on a machine which would have 256KB of RAM, considering that even the first IBM PC's already had 640KB of RAM.

    You probably meant that Win95 ran on 256MB of RAM or perhaps you are talking about your CPU L1 cache. In either case, you are merely reading lines from the side of the package box without understanding anything.

  • @CommandoNikomer  LOL fool.

  • @CommandoNikomer

    hey dude.

    support(dot)microsoft(dot)com(­slash)kb(slash)138349

    read this, and then come back here and tell me how much ram win95 needs.

  • @CommandoNikomer i know i'm late to the party but i just love how this guy thinks 3d graphics are easier on the computer.

  • @CommandoNikomer Actually, I remember the units having about 3 sprites, maybe 6 to smoothen it out.

  • @Blitzkitchen in raw graphical power?

    no.

    in atmosphere and stuff?

    yea,definetely

    i love c&c 2,but i love c&c 3 too btw =D

  • @getfreegamesfast Tiberian Dawn + Tiberian Sun + Tiberium Wars = Epic sauce spread around on a Awesomeness bun and slapped together with pwnageness!!! :D

  • @BlueTiberium1000 but if only EA didn't f*ck up c&c like they did to c&c 4

  • @Blitzkitchen dont blame on somebodys age (when i was younger than him i knew more about pc's than he is talking about) blame on somebody's intelligence, if he was 6 or 25 years old he still is an idiot.

  • @CommandoNikomer Since your brain is broken and you can't tell from simply playing the game, here this shit written down for you "Released in 1999 by Westwood Studios, Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun was the highly-anticipated sequel to the original Command & Conquer. Tiberian Sun was built on a 2D engine with fixed isometric perspective terrain tiles that allowed varying terrain height"

  • + 1 YOU ARE RIGHT

  • With a 30% chance of flurries to the east, and a 100% CHANCE OF NOD KIKIN' GDI'S ASS! HOOOO-YAAH!!!

    ...

    (clears throat) And back to you Jane.

  • GO TO THE BROTHERHOOD OF NOD, they have cookies and milk. very tasty :)

  • @Typhlosionable We are the BROTHERHOOD OF NOD...and we have t-shirts! Join us and our Tiberium spreading t-shirt is free!

    (Disclaimer: Any injury or sudden changes and/or mutations are not the responsibility of the brothorhood, and they cannot be held accountable for your own stupidity!)

  • I gotta say, Red Alert 2 and Tiberian Sun are by far my favourites in the series...Though despite the hate you will all give me, I liked generals too. Only one real downside, the EA badge...

    Oh, and who else thinks that C&C4 is basically EA giving the finger to the C&C fanbase by removing the tiberium aspect (which is the defining characteristic of the series after Kane)

  • I think EA is giving us both fingers in that regard. As well as the Crawler concept... I am wondering whether I will buy the game. The only thing still goiing for me to see if Kane REALLY dies or not. To be dead honest, I don't know how EA coould give a credible way for him to die...McNeal WATCHED Kane 'die,' and Ion Cannon hit him, AND an Ion Cannon detonated a LT Bomb over his head! How the hell do you kill a man who goes through that? There are other things, but I can't mention them all.

  • "You can't kill the Messiah"

    "I am invincible."

    "God? No, I'm not God. But I'm a close second."

    Said by the man himself.

  • He sure has a high opinion of himself. Wonder what he'll think when a couple Mammoths and an Ion Cannon show up at his base?

  • well he has survived ion cannon and impalement and hasnt aged a day. I think that he would not even blink.

  • maby he just got clones? And they destroy his clone factory.

  • Remember the end of TS Firestorm where you see Kane in that vat? THAT is you're answer my friend. Kane Clones himself EVERY TIME!

  • ah ah ah! No no buddy, Kane isn't in a CLONING vat, he is in a REGENERATIVE vat. Kane nearly died when Mc Neal ran him through with a metal spike, and CABAL saved his life by merging Kane temporarily with himself. I personally think that merging the brilliance (and madness) of Kane into himself made CABAL go a LITTLE loony!

  • Well my friend how do you explain when Kane was scorched by the Ion Cannon in tiberian dawn? he had to have been cloning himself!

    but yes cabal could've merged himself with Kane in ts when Kane almost died.

  • I think I will respond with a quote from Lahnapihvi (and Kane):

    "You can't kill the Messiah."

    He is virtually unkillable and all your base are belong to him! lolz, Seriously I don't know, but Westwood didn't make Kane knowable, they made him mysterious!

  • Yeah i also agree that kane has clones because in the nod ending in tiberian sun you can see 2 kanes in once 1 reporting on screen of nods victory and the other with the mask and scard head ready to teleport him self while the missle fires.

  • @OutlawDave2009 The one on the screen reporting victory is merely a broadcasted version of himself. C&C fans know that Kane is a master of propaganda, and so showed a whole, true Kane in videos for people to see, but the true Kane was scarred and horrible looking. That's why it looks like 2 Kanes.

  • look at this from this perspective: hitler had gazilion Doppelgängers (or however you call the guy that looked like him) so i think kane would also have some "just in case"

  • personally i think that no he doesnt.

    if u take into account every c&c game (including renegade) its more probable that hes the perfected effect of project regenesis (nods project to make life tiberium based instead of carbon based) that would explain why he didnt age (at least a little) between tiberium wars and end of kanes wrath

    ps: i think it was said in one of games that project regenesis would give them immortality though im not sure about this

  • Crush him with a Titan.

  • hey to all westwood fans fuck EA RA 3 was the bades C&C game ever I'd never seen so much of brainshit like Red Alert 3 fuck RA3 and fuck EA fuck their custom support und fack securom thats sign of non trust to the customs and long years-fans greetings from hamburg germany

  • @detlev07

    You said it.

  • This song makes me think of two small equal forces running into each other and duking it out, or a commander frantically trying to counter a surprise attack that breached his base.

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  • Fuk EA

  • Long live Kane

  • TO EA:

    Too much of different units

    Too much of bad/good things

    Too much of special abilities(reinforc. etc)

    idea of squads is bullsh__

    3D sucks, RTS is better in 2½D to me...

    and the music sucks...too

    If you want example, RA1, C&C1, and C&C2 are good. RA2 goes already to 3 stars and rest(generals too) is bullsh__

    and if EA doesnt follow a BIT of those i guess red alert goes in to the side of the "big breasts" as already said and

    C&C4 hopefully returns to C&C 1 and C&C 2 stuff. =,(

  • RA2 music is really much like the other songs frank klepacki made o.o i think they where good, agree on the rest though.

  • CnC 4 is going to be an epic fail. Base building and tiberium harvesting have both been removed. Also, nearly every unit design is terrible, you share a population cap in 2v2 to 5v5, and for some reason, bombers can rearm their weapons by flying around in circles for a minute.

    And that's just the tip of the Great Iceberg of Fail.

  • Looks like i ain't gonna buy it just for the sakes of those principles removed.. Even if i want to test it i'll just download a hacked pirate version.. by far C&C2 and Red alert 1 are my fave C&C's.

  • Lol... My eyes... Why is doing this EA?? Wetswood come back... t.t

  • @keyboardfriend Without Frank Klepacki, C&C's music is never the same......

    Just look at RA3. They focused on the talentless bimbos and their horrid acting instead of the gameplay.

  • @keyboardfriend totally :)

    EA has really screwed up C&C since they took it over >.>

    Thankfully, they put up C&C Tiberian Dawn, Tiberian Sun, and Red Alert 1 on C&C website and go to the "classic" page of the root

  • @keyboardfriend Red alert 2 was a fucking great game... i have no clue what you are talking about...

  • @fedas15 Still RA 1 was even better.

  • lol, where is Kane and the Brotherhood when you really need them to save the C&C Universe from EA?

  • for some reason i thinl of nod soliders killing people when i hear this song

  • westwood lives!

    I mean, Kane lives!

  • Sweet memories when i listen to this.

    I agree with ra3 is almost pornographic... is a normal girl not good enough?? and the actors cannot even act btw. x_x

  • No, I think some of the actors were wasted: for example Andrew Divoff, Peter Stormare.

    I mean if that turned a bit dark like RA1(or more), I bet mrs. Divoff would have played a better General, and Stormare could have played a russian hero(instead of geena carano, WTF!), instead of that scientist ripped off from "the smoking".

    But for me the worst was the three english actors, sorry mr. price but you and mr greg ellis, did a cliche english. Next time put Geof Well in that, no cockney next time.

  • Ricky Gervais would've done a good job as a brit, lol.

  • no joke, he would be better even if it was in a comedy tone!

  • ra3 shocked me i mean really they went over the top attacking bears?!

  • Not only that but it was almost like a pornographic film. They just HAD to make all the women in the game have oversized breasts. I mean WTF. >_>

  • I bet in Red Alert 4 we will be having Jeena Jameson, Daphne Rosen, Sylvia Saint, Anita Blond, Ron Jeremy, Hershell Savage, and before every mission we will greeted by 15 minute briefing full of uniformed hardcore sex.

  • Hell yeah... I don't like where C&C is going to. Cause from what i see it's going straight to shit at this rate. EA Sucks ;(

  • @das81 lol i thought IM a nerd , but i know only Anita Blond =)

  • @das81 only there will be no RA4

  • Let's pray it wont be.

  • @das81

    If it also stars Liz Vicious I'll buy it!

  • gr8 gr8 song

  • I remember playing TS when I was about 8 years old. This song was always my favourite one!

  • whenever i get in trouble or something, in my head i always hear part 2:31