@Einheri89 Use your own mind quite trying to make me like you see i am against violence but like i said self defence is for self protection no were does that mean it has to be violent but again the potential is there and if i have i will. Don't say anything if you can not twist it around. Open your ears im not you and im not a fag but right know i am thinking your just a jackass a hole
@Einheri89 Your diatribe of broken literature is really going no were. No were did i say i was a pacfist that is a assumption in fact as i mention in a earlier post if i have to hurt someone i will. Perservence of life is the highest penticle in the martial arts. If you have to hurt do it look your the one who started with your blanket fag statement then trying to prove that martial arts are for violence in then o your gonna tap me out. Get real ive stated how i feel u try to change that.
@Einheri89 Maybe i could have just said this plain and simple self defence and self protection does not state that you have to be violent. Can you comprehend that? Are did i say to much? Violence is stupid. Are words not doing anything? Your swinging in the air.
@Einheri89 Rather are not you can hurt other people. Violence is stupid. Why would you want that? You can live in your little mma world and i live in mine and i don't train with the mindset of hurting others thats just stupid but if i have to do it are i fill its necessary by natural corse and action i will.
@Einheri89 Another thing i think all martial arts are good but its not productive for you are me to try and prove what is worse are better. They all have deffern't points and i don't believe in conforming. Again please stop with the b.s. you come off very insacure you would just give me more of a reason to back up claims. So say whatever you wan't you have said to date nothing that was constructive to me my development are life for that matter nothing that even helped me and i could care less.
@Einheri89 You are a very confused lost soul. Please don't say anything else stupid because i wouldn't support it and it all just comes back to it's original sorce. Saying martial arts are about being violent is like saying that in order to be a martial artist you have to be a violent person. Violent people don't have self control just because a person use martial arts for self protection doesn't mean they are violent by nature.
@Einheri89 and since you can't concive what i mentioned about defining martial arts let me break it down for you like this. In no book no law no force says that martial arts are about violence in fact you made that up. War art clarifies a state of being self defeance is about protecting yourself not about being violent. Were did you ever get that to be a martial artist you have to be violent? Says who and by what law? Self defeance doesn't have to be violent but the option is there.
@Einheri89 I wasn't talking about the defintion know you taken this to a completly deffern't track just like how you twisted the meaning of the power of words remember you bring the pen and that really made no sense and also by the defintion it does not limit your ability to what you can use it for your not into helping others because your to close minded. By what law can a person not help others with martial arts. Your a waste of my time get off my back.
@Einheri89 i think you probably don't understand me because of my moral why would i lower myself to please someone else who are you so special and prevalaged to try and bring another person down. You are imature and your message was stupid.
@Einheri89 You never have to use it to hurt a person true masters of martial arts don't go around with infladed ego's there always someone as good as you if not better id much rather restrain a lunatic like yourself and use my words than the sword but some people want to live that way so you know what. It's like the bible say's live by the sword and die by the sword.
@Einheri89 You say you practice martial arts what for? Martial arts should be about helping others not talking shit and name calling really really childish. i have respect for all martial arts and i have phylosophy. My phylosophy is of non-violence. Ive used my training to my advantage and i never once like the fact that the people i used it on i hurt. At the same time though i am at a level were it's a process i am still learning when you have good internal power.
@Einheri89 Intell you say something that moves your invironment those actions are dead just as dead as your nagative self talk. So why am i on hear wasting my time to try and make my point to a little boy who needs to grow up. Please do me a favor and look else were cause im not giving into your stupidity.
@Einheri89 Also maybe it was my views about mma. I love all arts but one thing i can't get is if bjj is the god of ma's why is it that there are no pure bjj master's in the mma game today? Cause it wouldn't work and why did gracie leave after being defeated because people caught on to his little trick and figured out ways to work around it. Trust me words are stronger than actions. You could throw your hands out like a mad man in every direction but intell you say something.
@Einheri89 Think about this words act as a mirror to the soul and while physical actions can bring about pain mental sensation and scars can last a lifetime and you would say that words do not have more power than actions. Your foolish for thinking that. I don't know what got you off on me for but if it was my commit about your words being stronger than a sword i still live up to it as your words can't change me.
@Einheri89 Name calling is for pre/mature little boys. which i bet you are one. Either way you probably would lie to sound more secure about yourself but what do you have on me nothing your just a rambling lunitic. Say something intelligently are stfu cause your making a fool out of yourself with your self destructive comits. By the way i have trainned in the arts but you? It would matter to me cause see your just an a hole period.
@Einheri89 Know your just twisting words. A pen and a sword do not substitute moral. Again who are you? Have you ever even trained in any arts and you never answered my question about how old you are you sound like a 7 yrld pissed off little boy who just wan'ts to be king of the show. If you wan't to talk inteligently i love arguing something of intelligent but you aren't adding up to shit you see if i said something affended you are made you think im an idiot at least point your abjective.
@Einheri89 It's a fact that you can do alot more with your voice tell me since you seem to think your so much more informed exsactly what you can do without words that could prove what you feel and are thinking. Wait o faggot aren't words the driving force behind everything but o wait what little value that means to you i guess you really are stuck eating your own shit. By the way how old are you and your message has no intelligence behind it as the driving force really is meaningless. You are?
@Einheri89 How intelligent are you? Do you have any morals & value? Do you live to smell your own shit on your knees are was that the best and most important message you had for me? Im sure you can say much better things but faggot is a deragatory predujudice statement and for your info i am not a homosexual but even if i was what business would it be of yours? Faggot is really stupid and imature thing to say and do you have a better argument than that?
@Southdakotaoutdoors "put the best grappler in your dojo against.. mike tyson .. grapplers have there [sic] head up there [sic] ass sometimes." Southdakotaoutdoors, you are the one with your head up your ass. There are several grapplers at my bjj gym who would beat Mike Tyson in a fight nine times out of ten. There are several people at my gym who do professional mma. I'm not counting them. There are several others at my gym who do amateur mma. I'm not even counting them either ;)
@parks2000 Actaually i think all martial arts are phylosophy/theory intell they hit the street that is were the true test of skill comes in also in the streets chances are the guy your defending yourself from has no knowledge nor training in any ma which also will reflect the effectivness of your art. Many of todays ma are incomplete in that they only focus on 1 major key point i.e. taekwondo/kicking bjj/grappling the more well rounded you are the more options you will have.
@parks2000 that's good neither am i. I have a differnt phylosophy than some people because of the additude i have towards martial arts in general. I think it's what you put in yourself and give yourself credit for doing that matters there alot of bashing of traditional styles and mma in particular. I don't think there is anything wrong with mma are bjj actually bjj is very effective even in the street but i don't limit myself to just one style & i dont think bjj is always the best.
@Southdakotaoutdoors Lol your funny, Grappling works in so many ways, FYI I do Boxing as well but I know BJJ is good, my friend got me started in it, He had been doing it for 5 days, he told me and showed me what they did and I thought at first it was stupid, I told him ''no punches or kicks? you must be joking'' then when we fought I barely got a punch(it landed but only made him mad) and he shot in at my legs taking me down so easy because I never trained to defend it and I have strong legs,
@parks2000 Because I also Inline speed skate, ride my bike every day, played soccer and used to run track so Grappling works in so many ways and in self defense, it helps you escape if you trip/fall of get tackle so think before you talk . Respect all martial arts .
@parks2000 The differnce is in fighting for survival were its life are death and fighting for show. Any serious martial artist will study the art of war & any serious martial artist has the ability to create there own style every style can teach you something usefull however styles have rules were it is taught to get the practioner to conform to there way of fighting but survival has no rules. You do what works and u do it for protection not to be a bully r to prove your way of fighting.
@Southdakotaoutdoors Is it so hard to understand? Martial arts based on striking ARE inferior to Martial Arts based on Grappling. The only way a Striker will win is if the gets a lucky shot, or the grappler is not quick enough at bringing the fight to the ground. It's been proved thousands of times that no martial art can defeat BJJ. Even better up is MMA where the guy has a broad experience of striking.
@biiloblue5 yes, real world he would have choked AND kicked the crap out of him. Wouldn't you want your 13 year old son to be able to handle himself like this kid? People think because you do BJJ you don't punch or kick in a real fight, of course you'd do it all if you could.
Ok whatever i am going to ignore you it's what i should have done in the begging here on out if you want you can have the last word. It doesn't matter you have nothing to reflect on me your original commit was a blank one special forces are other i really do not care and thanks for clarifying that but you know the results around a situation stay the same words act as a mirror and even if the words are not correct does not mean that the heart to the matter is not.
to the idiots who are in denial that BJJ is not a good martial art..
it put MMA on the map and the Gracies proved it to be effective against just about any martial art on the planet. Don't be an asshole just to be one. Give credit where credit is due. I don't agree that BJJ is the only thing you should learn but it should be at least one of them. Supplement it with Muay Thai or Silat and it is dangerous.
@ubush22 don't worry, let them be, coz the less BJJ trainner, the most % of fight we are going to win. That is what I like the most of BJJ, people don't get it, people subestimate it so much. I am in fact happy, coz i am sure, no body knows what can I do with BJJ against them =)
@kokyjabn Good post..and I agree. People who refuse to learn to fight on the ground are only hurting themselves..especially now with the popularity of the UFC MORE AND MORE people are taking fights to the ground ON PURPOSE,where as it used to go to the ground due to tripping after being grapped.
Grappling is natural, watch two kids fight and theyusually start wrestling.Gravity is always working against us, get two people fighting and it's more than likely to hit the ground.
@RobbieH02879 One last thing calling bjj a martial art is like calling boxing a martial art. Funny there is nothing martial about boxing are grappling. No katas forms etc.Think about this two bb in bjj compete roll around on the ground tell me what is martial about that? Know you take a karate guy vs bjj the bjj guys key is to get him on the ground. It takes away all striking ability know karate is useless. Only standing is karate good. Aikido an art is not a martial as well. Styles conform. mma
@lococavasa Martial doesn't mean Kata... Quite the opposite actually...
BJj is as much(more really) a MARTIAL art than any of the other ineffective styles... It was NOT developed for sport.. It was developed to win REAL fights..end of story...
@lococavasa A martial art simpily mean fighting code or fighting style, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Boxing, Karate, Wrestling, Judo, Kung Fu, Krav Maga and even fincing ect are fighting style thus they are martial arts and 99.99% of all martial arts are effective on the street(including BJJ and grappling as a whole) if you know how to use them .
@parks2000 Really i have actually looked it up more directly martial arts r that of war arts. Mars is the god of war & martial litterally is pretaining to war You can call anything you want a martial art however dirived from war literally is were martial arts were created for self protection and the persevance of life U act as though i dont know what im saying however ive actually looked it up & literally martial art means art of war not fighting style box bjj taekwondo etc r all fighting styles
@RobbieH02879 If you go visit a dojo are kwoon you see people bowing /practicing katas forms. Rituals if you will. Ever heard of a martial arts creed? Never to take a life without a cause etc?. All martial arts have creeds. Fighting styles like boxing krav maga and bjj have no forms katas creeds etc. You don't go train bjj at a dojo you train bjj at a gym. Just think about that for a while. Believe as you wish but bjj is not a warfare art at all. Never heard of a karate gym.
@lococavasa Of course I've heard of a Karate Gym... I Have Black belts in Karate(GoJu) AND Hapkido..they were my first Martial Arts in 1991! lol Bruce lee(not that I take his word for gospel, but many do) didn't believe in Forms or all the other Nonsense of traditional arts. Not to say I don't believe Traditional arts have their place, they are great for small children.
@RobbieH02879 Just out of curiosity whats wrong with hapikido/goju ryu? I think of them as both as effective styles in there own right. One of the nice things about bjj is that they use leverage to gain control something some of the traditional arts are lacking in.
@lococavasa Lack of realistic training or "Aliveness".. Sure the techiques MAY be efefctive, BUIT if they aren't trained on a REGULAR basis against REAL resistance(i.e. someone going full force to beat you, not JUST in standing, or light tip tap).
There is NOT much I would use out of either.. I was honored to learn them under very good Instructor's, but I can't lie and pretend they are devastating arts..I would go to my kickboxing training even back then in a real fight before I started in BJJ.
the thing i like most about BJJ is that its very scientific and effective.
the striking arts are too risky and rely more on chance....FACT.
dont get me wrong, i LOVE striking arts and they are my base...but in my opinion, if you REALLY want to win a fight and dont want to take any risks, then BJJ is the way to go.
.....providing of course that the fight is 1 on 1 and no weapons.
no martial art can deal with multiple opponents and weapons effectively....its FAR too risky.
@SkemeKOS Ever taken American Kenpo? Or San Soo? Both arts train you to deal with both multiple opponents and weapons. As fun as Jiu Jitsu is, I feel much safer in a street situation staying on my feet, one on one or not.
@SkemeKOS A self-defense situation isn't like a ring/cage match where you're trying to knock out all your opponents, but really just do what you need to in order to be able to get away. Running without disabling your attacker(s) is a waste of energy. Crack a couple ribs, break a wrist/disarm the guy with the weapon, etc, then GTFO.
@RobbieH02879 Actually forms help a person visualize combat forms are good in that they teach proper stance ,balance etc. In a world full of so many styles a persons really got to train hard these days. In order to stand a chance at any style. Some people lack real physical conditioning. They can say o you can do it this way are that but when it comes down to it they do not have the skill to pull it off. I myself find it sad that with so many styles a person would say tradition is pointless.
@RobbieH02879 The very first real mma is kajukenbo. Kajukenbo came before bruce lee was around. kajukenbo is ka=karate ju=jujitsu judo ken=kenpo bo=Chinese boxing. Just by moving a person neck/head you can move the whole bode.
There is no normal jiujitsu the two most known styles of jiujitsu are Brazilian jiujitsu and Japanese jiujitsu the difference is that in bjj all you do is grapple but tjj has more self defence and standup than grappling
Well, Helio Gracie (who was a very brittle child) had developed and adapted the art to fit his body. He fought on the ground to help ensure he would not be thrown to the ground, Gracie devoted himself to evolving his version of the Art to everyday street fights, testing and perfecting it for, "serious buisness situation." Rickson Gracie. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu utilizes ground fighting, while Japanese Jiu-Jitsu pre-dominately revolves around stand up to submission, Brazilian revolves on the ground=)
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God this kid sucks at Gracie Jiu-Jitsu lol. No control no nothing. He honestly would be submitted if he came to our school. Man, I guess Gracies arn't making them right anymore...
BJJ is the best . You said but Royce win the 3 time UFC. Now they have a time five minute, they have height, you can beat with your head on nose, and more rules, a lot peopple say shit, all the fighter practique bjj. The best around the wolrd are grappler, exemple: bj penn, GPs (brow belt bjj), liodo machida (black belt bjj), fran mir, demian maia (black belt bjj), fabricio werdum, ricardo arona, vitor belfort, monitauro etc. chearche in internet what all the mma fighter say about bjj.
LOL it goes both way a pure grappler against a striker with good takedown defense will get destroyed. Everyone knows you need a little of everything in MMA. Go watch some of Malaipets MMA matches, he is a pure Muay Thai fighter who tried MMA. He never even got subbed in his fights against BJJ guys. Some crappy karate fighter from the 70s getting owned hardly proves that BJJ is invincible. This stuff is horrible on the streets. ok put me in an armbar and my friends come will stomp your head in.
pure strikers are pwnd at higher levels of competition.
bjj was developed for the street, stupid. helio was challenging people in brazil to streetfights when your daddy was in diapers.
and if i put you in an armbar, MY friends will stomp YOUR head in. NO martial art works against several attackers unless you are a LOT bigger and/or more skilled than them, in which case you can use any MA.
You sound like a 12 year old who never fought or trained a day in his life. Grow up you fanatical nuthugger. A striker with takedown defense will shit on a pure grappler.
@dildq Depends on the striker and the grappler, if the pure striker is aware of the techniques used in grappling and clocks the grappler with a knee then its game over. The reason BJJ was so effective against so many other arts was because most arts come from battlefield arts where one wouldn't try to grapple and submit an enemy soldier. As time goes on you will notice other styles will adapt to the grappling methods and develop there own counters. I'm not bagging out BJJ though, its still good
@dildq "grappler+striker>grappler" is not true.. the striking is only useful while standing.. once you get to the ground.. its about who is the better grappler.
i gotta agree with drew here sry. im a muay thai-karate-bjj fighter with more emphasis on my grappling but i would never think of fighting ANY1 without striking defense. the only part i disagree with is its not horrible on the streets. theres a difference tho between a street fight and getting jumped by a group of ppl. 1 on 1 in the street, bjj can be very useful. if its like 3 or more on 1, its basically luck and drive at that point no matter what MA u use lol.
that depends on the fighters. I have seen countless times where a Thai boxer was taken out by a BJJ grappler in seconds. I have never seen a boxer come close. The boxer would have to end it in the first or second punch. I don't care how good of a sprall you have, in a streetfight, any decent takedown can make it go to the ground. Once on the ground the boxer is done. Notice how the Gracies are the best at not getting hit. They test their distance and shoot at the best moment.
yes, you would get disqualified for eye gauging and biting in the first UFCs. Head butting, fish hooks, groin strikes and hair pulling were frowned upon but legal.
As a bjj and boxing student.I don't agree with comments saying kung-fu is garbage.the jkd and wing tzu as some great movements that could be use in a combat,perfect example ;rashad evans not only he used 52hand blocks but he had a little wing tzu.Kung-fu as great blocking defense the only problem most of them are not train to take hits and don't have no ground game.
bottom line, bjj and the gracies have proven themselves time and time again, it dominates ufc (with the striking of boxing and muay thai thrown in of course) and why don't you see other styles proving themselves in cage fighting, WHY?? because they would lose. when you mix bjj, western boxing, mui thai (however you spell it) together, you get an unbeatable combo. throw away your bruce lee books and jet li movies because kung fu is garbage
is that fact nuthugger? well, karo parisyan use judo, not bjj. he has beaten bjj guys and is not submitted by bjj guys. as for kung fu, cung le just broke shamrocks arm with sanda kickboxing. oh, it falls under kung fu. and bruce lee came up with the idea of mixing martial arts, not the lowlife slut gaycie family. your an idiot.
u r correct in bruce lee leading the idea of mixed martial arts. He's actually quoted, however, saying that a fighter who takes a year of standup and a year of ground fighting can rival any master of kung fu. definitely an exaggeration, but surely u have to recognize that mans genius in this. no style is truly greater than another, its all the user. The gracies, r passionate in what they do, which leads to them being skilled in what they do. so i dont think a claim like bjj is crap stands
i don't know dude but you make me laugh, there is a lot of you bjj haters out there and i just don't get it, did you get your ass handed to you by a grappler or something, best of luck to you pussy
It would be more appropriate to call this Judo vs Karate, as Old School BJJ WAS Judo. Only in the last 10 years has BJJ focused on 90% groundwork and gotten away from its roots of Judo all but dropping the advanced throwing techniques of Judo. The initial "takedown" is a classic Harai Goshi, you pretty much NEVER see this kind of takedown from BJJrs today unless they also have a background in Judo as well.
everytime you see a bjj match on youtube or anywhere, you see the bjj guy win, so why are there always these idiots that say bjj is no good or the gracies suck, proof's in the puddin, the bjj person always seems to win, why don't you just admit that it's the best thing out there
I take tang soo do and a few of my friends tanke bjj and we spar all the time and i have them outclassed with the stand up but if they take me to ground which happens more than i would like for it to they just ravage me
The Gracie's are excellent martial artists but I wouldn't say its the best thing out there because BJJ has rules. What do the Gracie's do when there is a super serious, highly trained martial artist fighting them to the death. There are martial arts out there that strictly practice combative methods rather than a person tapping and the fight's over. Krav Maga, Ninpo for instance or a highly trained striker, bone breaker or muscle ripper.
In the olden days, martial artists challenged other martial artists in a death match. what happens if there was a person trying to kill a bjj practitioner. thats the video i wanna see. but once again bjj is an excellent martial art, i respect it to the fullest but i wouldn't say its the best. to be a true "martial art" it would have to have warlike properties hence the meaning of "martial" is WAR. sport isn't war, neither is rules.
Are you on crack? The first UFcs only had two rules, no biting and no eye gouching. How would that interfere with takin a life? Fact is still, alot of those guys wanted to win with alot of impression, even if it meant killing someone. And arent choke holds lethel? BJJ uses chokeholds.
chokeholds can be lethal, but then again so can striking. most of the chokeholds cut off oxygen and blood flow to the brain, and seriously if u get locked in, it takes less than 10 to black out... trust me, been there lol. so if ur aim is to kill its possible. but technically u could also beat them to death =/. i like my instructors example. he was mugged in houston, long story short he broke the guys arm, put him the sleep and then dropped him off at the hospital lol
That was so awesome,Gracie family arent pussys,They pretty much made this Martial art what it is today,they can fight on the streets,and they can definatly fight there own kind.Who do you think they Roll with?
I like Jiu Jitsu, but I hate the pussy Gracie family who goes out and challenges every other martial art. Do your thing and get it done, but stop being a bunch of Brazilian cocksucking douchebags. HUGHES vs ROYCE! Genki vs. Royler! Suck that baby!!!
If you are really Martial Artist.... Don't Compare them. A true martial artist trains. So start training. Yaw-Yan, Kyokushin, Muay-thai they are the same but different in many ways. Those 3 are Striking art so stop comparing.. I think people don't know anything about martial arts
Only punching and kicking will not win from someone who knows grappling. If the grappling person learns to punch he is very dangerous. He will fit in punching in his grappling style.
Of course anyone who really knew Hapkido, Kung Fu, Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Tai Chi, Cantonese Nut Slapping, Pottery, Fencing, Boxing, Dim Mak, Dragonball Z, Yoga, WWE, or Aikido would NEVER lose to a BJJ guy!
hey stop that the karate guy is not good that s all.vovchanchin is a striker and he was able to knock any grappler if the fighter is not confident in himself he would be so afraid of his opponent that he would not dare to strike
actually, from a physics standpoint, a BJJ guy would not be able to get close enough to a karate guy to apply their locks. Its not a question if whether or not karate works; its a question if whether or not a karate guy is cold blooded enough to use it. Come on, who out there has it in them to use it full force? Be worrysome if there were people out there like that.
@halfmount You honestly think there is not one single well placed strike that can take another man out? Blah ha ha i agree with stardingo he makes valid point guy's do not wanna go all out out of respect. Any true martial art is lethal when used full force and as far as bjj goes guys it aint even a martial art but yes it is a good self defense art. Martial art translates war art never seen them damn grappler's in war.
@lococavasa yea people never end up fighting close quarters, hand to hand, on the ground. idiot. all us forces are trained in some form of ground fighting.
@TapAmericana Fuck you go read the dictionary ass wipe. Then you will know what martial art translates. I already clearly stated bjj is good for self defense but it is not a martial art. What does you being in the forces got to do with the reality of rather are not you go to the ground?You in the forces do i care? No nor did i commit on that so back to you don't feed what is not served asshole.
@TapAmericana another thing i do not believe any of my commits were directed towards you so again reflecting on you natzi ass special forces. You and your uniform can take your bullshit and shove it because you and special forces do not reflect me the martial arts are the reality of living. Do what you do that is not me.
@TapAmericana I suppose you well excuse me internet warrior that is what you are think that because bjj is taught in special forces its a war art. So let me guess if i know how to box and i am in a war then boxing is oddimatically a martial art just like any other art? No you know why because traditionally boxing was never used in war nor was bjj. Jujitsu is a martial art it shares roots to judo a sport that helped shape and create bjj. An art used to popularize mma in the ufc. Also a sport.
@TapAmericana And if you can't understand any of that then your just a hopeless slime who probably got ptst are some other shit from being brain washed by the war machine you suck dick to fuck you and everything you stand for you don't help me are any other American your just used to die in war and make other scum like your self happy. YOU FUCKING IDIOT SLAVE.
@lococavasa You on something? i never once mentioned special forces or said i was in the military haha. And why am i an internet warrior? Just so you know, you are correct. martial art, does translate to war art. However, war, translates to "a struggle." so "war art" translates literally as "the art of struggle." BJJ is definitely a struggle my bad mouthed and under-educated, internet nemesis. Oh and thank you for the long response, I'm glad a slime such as myself was worth your valuable time.
yea people never end up fighting close quarters, hand to hand, on the ground. idiot. all us forces are trained in some form of ground fighting-YOUR COMMIT never mentioned the forces aee WOW you need to go punch a punching bag are some shit you come on here talking out of your ass so you know what if i am an idiot so are you. Thats what you get shit well produce shit have anything else to say nagative then fuck you. Your the slime not me.
@TapAmericana@lococavasa yea people never end up fighting close quarters, hand to hand, on the ground. idiot. all us forces are trained in some form of ground fighting. YEAH YOU JUST CALLED ME AN IDIOT BECAUSE YOU TALK SHIT AND YOU DID MENTION FORCES i guess the idea of Grammatical errors might be correct but who cares so my spelling blow & your just a shit talking homo who needs to shut his mouth. What you really thought id let you call me an idiot?
@TapAmericana And for what? Your approval of the arts come on man your an internet warrior i could care less what you think i myself have respect for all arts you just came at me from nowhere like some sick and twisted tool. I dont know you so back the fuck off. You talk shit so know you can eat. You wanna say anything else to show for idiocy then fuck you all over the place up and down asshole.
Wow bud you take this to far all i said was idiot, which i stand by, and you call me a sick twisted tool? LMFAO! You called me a "special forces Natzi." when i said us forces i meant U.S. forces, but since your reading comprehension is zilch, i shouldn't expect you to catch on to such minor things. you act like i attacked you you with something all i did is point out your obvious flaw in logic, you should be thanking me for the education.
@TapAmericana I suppose know your gonna say but i never said special forces da da da. Well then don't even mention the forces cause it makes it sound like your directing that to me because i said bjj is not a martial art so it would seem like your cover up. None the less you cannot eat what you do not serve.
@lococavasa BJJ is a martial art, MOST Martial Arts came from Traditional Japanese Ju Jutsu...which came from wrestling etc....
And out Military is trained in Ground Fighting... The Japanese developed Ju Jutsu because punches and kicks had no effect on armored soldiers, but they were able to use joint locks and throws....
@RobbieH02879 That's your o pion. I would agree with you if you said it is a effect way towards self defense however. Martial art refers something to warfare. I myself consider Japaneses ju jitsu ancestor to bjj to be a martial art. But no were have people put so much in fa since on ground working in tell the rise of the gracies and the gaining popularity of the mma arts as the ufc displays it. Let me add on this is commercialization not a crystal clear image of what true combat is.
@RobbieH02879 As the mma arts in the ufc thus have provided people with there version of combat. Traditional we have weapons. In the streets people can do whatever of course its not really realistic to say train in stick fighting and walk around everwere with a stick but lets just remember are traditions. Not never did i say the military does not train people in how to grapple when i fight goes
@Einheri89
Just curious. What belt in BJJ and judo are you?
9N8X 7 months ago
@Einheri89 Use your own mind quite trying to make me like you see i am against violence but like i said self defence is for self protection no were does that mean it has to be violent but again the potential is there and if i have i will. Don't say anything if you can not twist it around. Open your ears im not you and im not a fag but right know i am thinking your just a jackass a hole
lococavasa 8 months ago
@Einheri89 Your diatribe of broken literature is really going no were. No were did i say i was a pacfist that is a assumption in fact as i mention in a earlier post if i have to hurt someone i will. Perservence of life is the highest penticle in the martial arts. If you have to hurt do it look your the one who started with your blanket fag statement then trying to prove that martial arts are for violence in then o your gonna tap me out. Get real ive stated how i feel u try to change that.
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@Einheri89 Maybe i could have just said this plain and simple self defence and self protection does not state that you have to be violent. Can you comprehend that? Are did i say to much? Violence is stupid. Are words not doing anything? Your swinging in the air.
lococavasa 8 months ago
@Einheri89 Rather are not you can hurt other people. Violence is stupid. Why would you want that? You can live in your little mma world and i live in mine and i don't train with the mindset of hurting others thats just stupid but if i have to do it are i fill its necessary by natural corse and action i will.
lococavasa 8 months ago
@Einheri89 Another thing i think all martial arts are good but its not productive for you are me to try and prove what is worse are better. They all have deffern't points and i don't believe in conforming. Again please stop with the b.s. you come off very insacure you would just give me more of a reason to back up claims. So say whatever you wan't you have said to date nothing that was constructive to me my development are life for that matter nothing that even helped me and i could care less.
lococavasa 8 months ago
@Einheri89 You are a very confused lost soul. Please don't say anything else stupid because i wouldn't support it and it all just comes back to it's original sorce. Saying martial arts are about being violent is like saying that in order to be a martial artist you have to be a violent person. Violent people don't have self control just because a person use martial arts for self protection doesn't mean they are violent by nature.
lococavasa 8 months ago
@Einheri89 Another nagative commit. What does it mean to me nothing your a waste of my time and you have an infladed ego you need to grow up.
lococavasa 8 months ago
@Einheri89 and since you can't concive what i mentioned about defining martial arts let me break it down for you like this. In no book no law no force says that martial arts are about violence in fact you made that up. War art clarifies a state of being self defeance is about protecting yourself not about being violent. Were did you ever get that to be a martial artist you have to be violent? Says who and by what law? Self defeance doesn't have to be violent but the option is there.
lococavasa 8 months ago
@Einheri89 I wasn't talking about the defintion know you taken this to a completly deffern't track just like how you twisted the meaning of the power of words remember you bring the pen and that really made no sense and also by the defintion it does not limit your ability to what you can use it for your not into helping others because your to close minded. By what law can a person not help others with martial arts. Your a waste of my time get off my back.
lococavasa 8 months ago
@Einheri89 Well at least metally if not physically. Grow up ive got better things to waste me time on and your not my number 1 priority.
lococavasa 8 months ago
@Einheri89 i think you probably don't understand me because of my moral why would i lower myself to please someone else who are you so special and prevalaged to try and bring another person down. You are imature and your message was stupid.
lococavasa 8 months ago
@Einheri89 You never have to use it to hurt a person true masters of martial arts don't go around with infladed ego's there always someone as good as you if not better id much rather restrain a lunatic like yourself and use my words than the sword but some people want to live that way so you know what. It's like the bible say's live by the sword and die by the sword.
lococavasa 8 months ago
@Einheri89 You say you practice martial arts what for? Martial arts should be about helping others not talking shit and name calling really really childish. i have respect for all martial arts and i have phylosophy. My phylosophy is of non-violence. Ive used my training to my advantage and i never once like the fact that the people i used it on i hurt. At the same time though i am at a level were it's a process i am still learning when you have good internal power.
lococavasa 8 months ago
@Einheri89 Intell you say something that moves your invironment those actions are dead just as dead as your nagative self talk. So why am i on hear wasting my time to try and make my point to a little boy who needs to grow up. Please do me a favor and look else were cause im not giving into your stupidity.
lococavasa 8 months ago
@Einheri89 Also maybe it was my views about mma. I love all arts but one thing i can't get is if bjj is the god of ma's why is it that there are no pure bjj master's in the mma game today? Cause it wouldn't work and why did gracie leave after being defeated because people caught on to his little trick and figured out ways to work around it. Trust me words are stronger than actions. You could throw your hands out like a mad man in every direction but intell you say something.
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@Einheri89 Think about this words act as a mirror to the soul and while physical actions can bring about pain mental sensation and scars can last a lifetime and you would say that words do not have more power than actions. Your foolish for thinking that. I don't know what got you off on me for but if it was my commit about your words being stronger than a sword i still live up to it as your words can't change me.
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@Einheri89 Name calling is for pre/mature little boys. which i bet you are one. Either way you probably would lie to sound more secure about yourself but what do you have on me nothing your just a rambling lunitic. Say something intelligently are stfu cause your making a fool out of yourself with your self destructive comits. By the way i have trainned in the arts but you? It would matter to me cause see your just an a hole period.
lococavasa 8 months ago
@Einheri89 Know your just twisting words. A pen and a sword do not substitute moral. Again who are you? Have you ever even trained in any arts and you never answered my question about how old you are you sound like a 7 yrld pissed off little boy who just wan'ts to be king of the show. If you wan't to talk inteligently i love arguing something of intelligent but you aren't adding up to shit you see if i said something affended you are made you think im an idiot at least point your abjective.
lococavasa 8 months ago
@Einheri89 It's a fact that you can do alot more with your voice tell me since you seem to think your so much more informed exsactly what you can do without words that could prove what you feel and are thinking. Wait o faggot aren't words the driving force behind everything but o wait what little value that means to you i guess you really are stuck eating your own shit. By the way how old are you and your message has no intelligence behind it as the driving force really is meaningless. You are?
lococavasa 8 months ago
@Einheri89 How intelligent are you? Do you have any morals & value? Do you live to smell your own shit on your knees are was that the best and most important message you had for me? Im sure you can say much better things but faggot is a deragatory predujudice statement and for your info i am not a homosexual but even if i was what business would it be of yours? Faggot is really stupid and imature thing to say and do you have a better argument than that?
lococavasa 8 months ago
@Southdakotaoutdoors "put the best grappler in your dojo against.. mike tyson .. grapplers have there [sic] head up there [sic] ass sometimes." Southdakotaoutdoors, you are the one with your head up your ass. There are several grapplers at my bjj gym who would beat Mike Tyson in a fight nine times out of ten. There are several people at my gym who do professional mma. I'm not counting them. There are several others at my gym who do amateur mma. I'm not even counting them either ;)
afreiden 8 months ago
@parks2000 The most powerful weapon you have is your mind your soul your word not your sword. Id rather use my voice than my body.
lococavasa 10 months ago
@parks2000 Actaually i think all martial arts are phylosophy/theory intell they hit the street that is were the true test of skill comes in also in the streets chances are the guy your defending yourself from has no knowledge nor training in any ma which also will reflect the effectivness of your art. Many of todays ma are incomplete in that they only focus on 1 major key point i.e. taekwondo/kicking bjj/grappling the more well rounded you are the more options you will have.
lococavasa 10 months ago
@parks2000 that's good neither am i. I have a differnt phylosophy than some people because of the additude i have towards martial arts in general. I think it's what you put in yourself and give yourself credit for doing that matters there alot of bashing of traditional styles and mma in particular. I don't think there is anything wrong with mma are bjj actually bjj is very effective even in the street but i don't limit myself to just one style & i dont think bjj is always the best.
lococavasa 10 months ago
@parks2000 the best self defense in my opion is not to fight im a pasifist by nature but if a person turns one of my cheeks i will smash the other.
lococavasa 10 months ago
@Southdakotaoutdoors Lol your funny, Grappling works in so many ways, FYI I do Boxing as well but I know BJJ is good, my friend got me started in it, He had been doing it for 5 days, he told me and showed me what they did and I thought at first it was stupid, I told him ''no punches or kicks? you must be joking'' then when we fought I barely got a punch(it landed but only made him mad) and he shot in at my legs taking me down so easy because I never trained to defend it and I have strong legs,
parks2000 10 months ago
@parks2000 Because I also Inline speed skate, ride my bike every day, played soccer and used to run track so Grappling works in so many ways and in self defense, it helps you escape if you trip/fall of get tackle so think before you talk . Respect all martial arts .
parks2000 10 months ago
@parks2000 The differnce is in fighting for survival were its life are death and fighting for show. Any serious martial artist will study the art of war & any serious martial artist has the ability to create there own style every style can teach you something usefull however styles have rules were it is taught to get the practioner to conform to there way of fighting but survival has no rules. You do what works and u do it for protection not to be a bully r to prove your way of fighting.
lococavasa 10 months ago
@lococavasa I'm not a bully, neither is my friend, we dont fight people hardly ever .
parks2000 10 months ago
@Southdakotaoutdoors Is it so hard to understand? Martial arts based on striking ARE inferior to Martial Arts based on Grappling. The only way a Striker will win is if the gets a lucky shot, or the grappler is not quick enough at bringing the fight to the ground. It's been proved thousands of times that no martial art can defeat BJJ. Even better up is MMA where the guy has a broad experience of striking.
Labil32 10 months ago
dude omg
can you imagine how easily those karate kids were choked out simply because they had gis on?
TruNikkaz 1 year ago
another useless bjj example in a ring. real world is very different
biiloblue5 1 year ago
@biiloblue5 yes, real world he would have choked AND kicked the crap out of him. Wouldn't you want your 13 year old son to be able to handle himself like this kid? People think because you do BJJ you don't punch or kick in a real fight, of course you'd do it all if you could.
MrZeddy100 1 year ago
karate sucks and is ineffective.
Its very sad, but a wrestler with 8-10 months of experience would demolish a karate black belt.
Same with BJJ and maybe a little bit more for Judo.
BigolePappy2 1 year ago
@BigolePappy2 i highly disagree karate is truely effective martial art it depends on where you learn it really and how you use it
tcrazy213 1 year ago
Ok whatever i am going to ignore you it's what i should have done in the begging here on out if you want you can have the last word. It doesn't matter you have nothing to reflect on me your original commit was a blank one special forces are other i really do not care and thanks for clarifying that but you know the results around a situation stay the same words act as a mirror and even if the words are not correct does not mean that the heart to the matter is not.
lococavasa 1 year ago
Don't you guys just love these type happy internet warriors. Give me a fucking break.
lococavasa 1 year ago
to the idiots who are in denial that BJJ is not a good martial art..
it put MMA on the map and the Gracies proved it to be effective against just about any martial art on the planet. Don't be an asshole just to be one. Give credit where credit is due. I don't agree that BJJ is the only thing you should learn but it should be at least one of them. Supplement it with Muay Thai or Silat and it is dangerous.
ubush22 2 years ago
@ubush22 don't worry, let them be, coz the less BJJ trainner, the most % of fight we are going to win. That is what I like the most of BJJ, people don't get it, people subestimate it so much. I am in fact happy, coz i am sure, no body knows what can I do with BJJ against them =)
Let them be my friend, and you are going to win.
kokyjabn 1 year ago
@kokyjabn Good post..and I agree. People who refuse to learn to fight on the ground are only hurting themselves..especially now with the popularity of the UFC MORE AND MORE people are taking fights to the ground ON PURPOSE,where as it used to go to the ground due to tripping after being grapped.
Grappling is natural, watch two kids fight and theyusually start wrestling.Gravity is always working against us, get two people fighting and it's more than likely to hit the ground.
RobbieH02879 1 year ago
@RobbieH02879 One last thing calling bjj a martial art is like calling boxing a martial art. Funny there is nothing martial about boxing are grappling. No katas forms etc.Think about this two bb in bjj compete roll around on the ground tell me what is martial about that? Know you take a karate guy vs bjj the bjj guys key is to get him on the ground. It takes away all striking ability know karate is useless. Only standing is karate good. Aikido an art is not a martial as well. Styles conform. mma
lococavasa 1 year ago
@lococavasa Martial doesn't mean Kata... Quite the opposite actually...
BJj is as much(more really) a MARTIAL art than any of the other ineffective styles... It was NOT developed for sport.. It was developed to win REAL fights..end of story...
RobbieH02879 1 year ago
@lococavasa A martial art simpily mean fighting code or fighting style, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Boxing, Karate, Wrestling, Judo, Kung Fu, Krav Maga and even fincing ect are fighting style thus they are martial arts and 99.99% of all martial arts are effective on the street(including BJJ and grappling as a whole) if you know how to use them .
parks2000 10 months ago
@parks2000 Really i have actually looked it up more directly martial arts r that of war arts. Mars is the god of war & martial litterally is pretaining to war You can call anything you want a martial art however dirived from war literally is were martial arts were created for self protection and the persevance of life U act as though i dont know what im saying however ive actually looked it up & literally martial art means art of war not fighting style box bjj taekwondo etc r all fighting styles
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@RobbieH02879 If you go visit a dojo are kwoon you see people bowing /practicing katas forms. Rituals if you will. Ever heard of a martial arts creed? Never to take a life without a cause etc?. All martial arts have creeds. Fighting styles like boxing krav maga and bjj have no forms katas creeds etc. You don't go train bjj at a dojo you train bjj at a gym. Just think about that for a while. Believe as you wish but bjj is not a warfare art at all. Never heard of a karate gym.
lococavasa 1 year ago
@lococavasa Of course I've heard of a Karate Gym... I Have Black belts in Karate(GoJu) AND Hapkido..they were my first Martial Arts in 1991! lol Bruce lee(not that I take his word for gospel, but many do) didn't believe in Forms or all the other Nonsense of traditional arts. Not to say I don't believe Traditional arts have their place, they are great for small children.
RobbieH02879 1 year ago
@RobbieH02879 Just out of curiosity whats wrong with hapikido/goju ryu? I think of them as both as effective styles in there own right. One of the nice things about bjj is that they use leverage to gain control something some of the traditional arts are lacking in.
lococavasa 1 year ago
@lococavasa Lack of realistic training or "Aliveness".. Sure the techiques MAY be efefctive, BUIT if they aren't trained on a REGULAR basis against REAL resistance(i.e. someone going full force to beat you, not JUST in standing, or light tip tap).
There is NOT much I would use out of either.. I was honored to learn them under very good Instructor's, but I can't lie and pretend they are devastating arts..I would go to my kickboxing training even back then in a real fight before I started in BJJ.
RobbieH02879 1 year ago
@RobbieH02879
ever watch a bjj tournament? Watch Jacare vs Roger Gracie and tell me that isn't full force.
BigolePappy2 1 year ago
@lococavasa
the thing i like most about BJJ is that its very scientific and effective.
the striking arts are too risky and rely more on chance....FACT.
dont get me wrong, i LOVE striking arts and they are my base...but in my opinion, if you REALLY want to win a fight and dont want to take any risks, then BJJ is the way to go.
.....providing of course that the fight is 1 on 1 and no weapons.
no martial art can deal with multiple opponents and weapons effectively....its FAR too risky.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@SkemeKOS Ever taken American Kenpo? Or San Soo? Both arts train you to deal with both multiple opponents and weapons. As fun as Jiu Jitsu is, I feel much safer in a street situation staying on my feet, one on one or not.
UndeadPyro 1 year ago
@UndeadPyro
still too risky in my opinion.
id rather run in a multiple opponent/weapons situation.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@SkemeKOS A self-defense situation isn't like a ring/cage match where you're trying to knock out all your opponents, but really just do what you need to in order to be able to get away. Running without disabling your attacker(s) is a waste of energy. Crack a couple ribs, break a wrist/disarm the guy with the weapon, etc, then GTFO.
UndeadPyro 1 year ago
@SkemeKOS Best advice.
MrZeddy100 1 year ago
@RobbieH02879
Bruce Lee was right about everything.
MMA today is what bruce talked about in the early '70s.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@lococavasa
i dont know about karate in a gym but i learned karate in a community centre!
i also learned kung fu in pub sometimes!
the place where the art is learned doesnt change anything.
and katas are basically useless. OK for fun...pretty useless in real fighting.
theyre a waste of time really.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@RobbieH02879 Actually forms help a person visualize combat forms are good in that they teach proper stance ,balance etc. In a world full of so many styles a persons really got to train hard these days. In order to stand a chance at any style. Some people lack real physical conditioning. They can say o you can do it this way are that but when it comes down to it they do not have the skill to pull it off. I myself find it sad that with so many styles a person would say tradition is pointless.
lococavasa 1 year ago
@RobbieH02879 Good point. I never looked at it that way before.
lococavasa 1 year ago
@ubush22 It might be good but it is not a martial art it has no tradition in war. Martial art translates war art.
lococavasa 1 year ago
@ubush22 Good post...
Someone decent in BJJ and Boxing = a Bad son of a gun....
RobbieH02879 1 year ago
@RobbieH02879 Excuse my spelling it's not lack of grammar i am a horrible typer.
lococavasa 1 year ago
@RobbieH02879 The very first real mma is kajukenbo. Kajukenbo came before bruce lee was around. kajukenbo is ka=karate ju=jujitsu judo ken=kenpo bo=Chinese boxing. Just by moving a person neck/head you can move the whole bode.
lococavasa 1 year ago
There is no normal jiujitsu the two most known styles of jiujitsu are Brazilian jiujitsu and Japanese jiujitsu the difference is that in bjj all you do is grapple but tjj has more self defence and standup than grappling
hazard2000 2 years ago
What is the difference between normal Jiu Jitsu from Japan, and Brazilian (Gracie) ?
Cetramarius 2 years ago
Well, Helio Gracie (who was a very brittle child) had developed and adapted the art to fit his body. He fought on the ground to help ensure he would not be thrown to the ground, Gracie devoted himself to evolving his version of the Art to everyday street fights, testing and perfecting it for, "serious buisness situation." Rickson Gracie. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu utilizes ground fighting, while Japanese Jiu-Jitsu pre-dominately revolves around stand up to submission, Brazilian revolves on the ground=)
hailtheinfantry 2 years ago
Brazilian is waterd down
Fabolous206 2 years ago
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God this kid sucks at Gracie Jiu-Jitsu lol. No control no nothing. He honestly would be submitted if he came to our school. Man, I guess Gracies arn't making them right anymore...
kfresh2themax 2 years ago
BJJ is the best . You said but Royce win the 3 time UFC. Now they have a time five minute, they have height, you can beat with your head on nose, and more rules, a lot peopple say shit, all the fighter practique bjj. The best around the wolrd are grappler, exemple: bj penn, GPs (brow belt bjj), liodo machida (black belt bjj), fran mir, demian maia (black belt bjj), fabricio werdum, ricardo arona, vitor belfort, monitauro etc. chearche in internet what all the mma fighter say about bjj.
gersoooon 3 years ago
GSP is a BJJ black belt now.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 2 years ago 4
The way he got taken down so easily seems fake
notthelastword 3 years ago
Looks more like a rape than a fight!
notthelastword 3 years ago
R u a desparate BJJ/UFC/MMA promoter?
-If i cannot go to mount everest, no 1 can
-Will ask: how u suppose to get on top of mount everest with the unhabitable extreme eviroment?
-TMA=Evil-asian-cult
-Grappling always the supreme style
-Others MA is useless bcoz ur body can't last for that long standing training
-Strikers r only want to use strikes when got pinned down
-Pieces of cake to takedown every MA master including Cung Le in MMA
pangyf25250 3 years ago
in B4 404
CancerRape 3 years ago
yeah, to succeed against a grappler you need to learn grappling too, there is no way around it
dildq 3 years ago
actually that is not 100% correct either
although biting and eyegouging were discouraged even in early ufc, they would not result in disqualification, only a small fine
besides, bjj practitioners would be in a better position to play dirty like that in a true fight
there is no argument regarding the effectiveness of bjj. strikers cry your eyes out. lol
dildq 3 years ago
lol strikers can use takedown defense like sprawling and beat the fuck out of BJJ guys. Its not 1993 anymore.
Drewski1316 3 years ago
if they can counter takedows and throws, then they're grapplers too, not pure strikers
pure strikers=pwnt, thrown, broken, choked, bleeding loooooosers
oHOhohHo. welcome to 2009 guys.
dildq 3 years ago
LOL it goes both way a pure grappler against a striker with good takedown defense will get destroyed. Everyone knows you need a little of everything in MMA. Go watch some of Malaipets MMA matches, he is a pure Muay Thai fighter who tried MMA. He never even got subbed in his fights against BJJ guys. Some crappy karate fighter from the 70s getting owned hardly proves that BJJ is invincible. This stuff is horrible on the streets. ok put me in an armbar and my friends come will stomp your head in.
Drewski1316 3 years ago
no it doesn't go both ways, LOL,
a pure grappler MURDERS a pure striker
pure strikers are pwnd at higher levels of competition.
bjj was developed for the street, stupid. helio was challenging people in brazil to streetfights when your daddy was in diapers.
and if i put you in an armbar, MY friends will stomp YOUR head in. NO martial art works against several attackers unless you are a LOT bigger and/or more skilled than them, in which case you can use any MA.
dildq 3 years ago
You sound like a 12 year old who never fought or trained a day in his life. Grow up you fanatical nuthugger. A striker with takedown defense will shit on a pure grappler.
Drewski1316 3 years ago
are you stupid for real?
a pure grappler beats a pure striker.
your example is that someone who knows striking AND grappling beats a grappler (well duh...)
get it now genius?? to reiterate in the simplest way i can come up with:
grappler>striker
grappler+striker>grappler
dildq 3 years ago 10
@dildq Depends on the striker and the grappler, if the pure striker is aware of the techniques used in grappling and clocks the grappler with a knee then its game over. The reason BJJ was so effective against so many other arts was because most arts come from battlefield arts where one wouldn't try to grapple and submit an enemy soldier. As time goes on you will notice other styles will adapt to the grappling methods and develop there own counters. I'm not bagging out BJJ though, its still good
Initialrx7 1 year ago
@dildq
agreed.
Anyone who disagrees is delusional and ignores the facts.
SkemeKOS 1 year ago
@dildq "grappler+striker>grappler" is not true.. the striking is only useful while standing.. once you get to the ground.. its about who is the better grappler.
Brazilianjj 1 year ago
i gotta agree with drew here sry. im a muay thai-karate-bjj fighter with more emphasis on my grappling but i would never think of fighting ANY1 without striking defense. the only part i disagree with is its not horrible on the streets. theres a difference tho between a street fight and getting jumped by a group of ppl. 1 on 1 in the street, bjj can be very useful. if its like 3 or more on 1, its basically luck and drive at that point no matter what MA u use lol.
RAWchokeout 2 years ago
Very true.
ilikeaeroplanejelly 2 years ago
then you must be about 10 and never even saw a fight or a training session yet
ubush22 2 years ago
Im probably the only person in this thread who actually trains.
Drewski1316 2 years ago
@Drewski1316 I train too... why are you asking?
kokyjabn 1 year ago
In an uncontrolled street situation with a real Boxer or Thai Boxer you and your faggot friends would be kfto so fast you wouldnt know what hit you.
Drewski1316 3 years ago
using homophobic insults doesn't attest to your maturity.
grow up ffs
dildq 3 years ago 2
you first fag
Drewski1316 3 years ago
that depends on the fighters. I have seen countless times where a Thai boxer was taken out by a BJJ grappler in seconds. I have never seen a boxer come close. The boxer would have to end it in the first or second punch. I don't care how good of a sprall you have, in a streetfight, any decent takedown can make it go to the ground. Once on the ground the boxer is done. Notice how the Gracies are the best at not getting hit. They test their distance and shoot at the best moment.
ubush22 2 years ago
then we will both go to the hospital
nice logic, what a pussy thing for you to post
ubush22 2 years ago
yes, you would get disqualified for eye gauging and biting in the first UFCs. Head butting, fish hooks, groin strikes and hair pulling were frowned upon but legal.
ubush22 2 years ago
As a bjj and boxing student.I don't agree with comments saying kung-fu is garbage.the jkd and wing tzu as some great movements that could be use in a combat,perfect example ;rashad evans not only he used 52hand blocks but he had a little wing tzu.Kung-fu as great blocking defense the only problem most of them are not train to take hits and don't have no ground game.
aaazzaoo99 3 years ago
bullshit. I'll say that again - BULLSHIT.
Rashad used CLASSIC BOXING.
No 52 or 38 or any hand number you pick - and what wing chun? where? COMPLETLY different body-mechanics. Have you ever seen wing chun demonstrated?
RonnySayfan 3 years ago 2
i can guarantee you rashad does not train in "whooohoo shun poo" or what ever you said
wwesuxknob 3 years ago
Traditionalism has it flaws
WayOftheHandandFoot 3 years ago
the gaycie family lol. Bjj sucks the guy lost because his just a bystander they paid for their biased propaganda
mayglitch 3 years ago
so true
brugnoli33 3 years ago
bottom line, bjj and the gracies have proven themselves time and time again, it dominates ufc (with the striking of boxing and muay thai thrown in of course) and why don't you see other styles proving themselves in cage fighting, WHY?? because they would lose. when you mix bjj, western boxing, mui thai (however you spell it) together, you get an unbeatable combo. throw away your bruce lee books and jet li movies because kung fu is garbage
jondoethegreat 3 years ago
is that fact nuthugger? well, karo parisyan use judo, not bjj. he has beaten bjj guys and is not submitted by bjj guys. as for kung fu, cung le just broke shamrocks arm with sanda kickboxing. oh, it falls under kung fu. and bruce lee came up with the idea of mixing martial arts, not the lowlife slut gaycie family. your an idiot.
bjjcrap 3 years ago
or maybe that was ed parker. whoever it is, it sure is not the gaycies
bjjcrap 3 years ago
u r correct in bruce lee leading the idea of mixed martial arts. He's actually quoted, however, saying that a fighter who takes a year of standup and a year of ground fighting can rival any master of kung fu. definitely an exaggeration, but surely u have to recognize that mans genius in this. no style is truly greater than another, its all the user. The gracies, r passionate in what they do, which leads to them being skilled in what they do. so i dont think a claim like bjj is crap stands
RAWchokeout 2 years ago
i don't know dude but you make me laugh, there is a lot of you bjj haters out there and i just don't get it, did you get your ass handed to you by a grappler or something, best of luck to you pussy
jondoethegreat 3 years ago
So which MA are you biased to?
iplayelectricguitar 3 years ago
Has anyone seen the clip of the crazy guy attacking a guy with a hammer on a Philly Subway? Any of you MA practioners out there?
Watch the clip then tell me what would you have done with any of your training.
billyjacc 3 years ago
It would be more appropriate to call this Judo vs Karate, as Old School BJJ WAS Judo. Only in the last 10 years has BJJ focused on 90% groundwork and gotten away from its roots of Judo all but dropping the advanced throwing techniques of Judo. The initial "takedown" is a classic Harai Goshi, you pretty much NEVER see this kind of takedown from BJJrs today unless they also have a background in Judo as well.
jrljudoka 3 years ago
Lmao I simply wouldn't have otten on that train...
Ongyokage6389 3 years ago
everytime you see a bjj match on youtube or anywhere, you see the bjj guy win, so why are there always these idiots that say bjj is no good or the gracies suck, proof's in the puddin, the bjj person always seems to win, why don't you just admit that it's the best thing out there
jondoethegreat 3 years ago
I take tang soo do and a few of my friends tanke bjj and we spar all the time and i have them outclassed with the stand up but if they take me to ground which happens more than i would like for it to they just ravage me
daynrk 3 years ago
precisely my point, did you know that street fights go to the ground over 95% of the time, might as well start learning bjj
jondoethegreat 3 years ago
The Gracie's are excellent martial artists but I wouldn't say its the best thing out there because BJJ has rules. What do the Gracie's do when there is a super serious, highly trained martial artist fighting them to the death. There are martial arts out there that strictly practice combative methods rather than a person tapping and the fight's over. Krav Maga, Ninpo for instance or a highly trained striker, bone breaker or muscle ripper.
Ongyokage6389 3 years ago
In the olden days, martial artists challenged other martial artists in a death match. what happens if there was a person trying to kill a bjj practitioner. thats the video i wanna see. but once again bjj is an excellent martial art, i respect it to the fullest but i wouldn't say its the best. to be a true "martial art" it would have to have warlike properties hence the meaning of "martial" is WAR. sport isn't war, neither is rules.
Ongyokage6389 3 years ago
Are you on crack? The first UFcs only had two rules, no biting and no eye gouching. How would that interfere with takin a life? Fact is still, alot of those guys wanted to win with alot of impression, even if it meant killing someone. And arent choke holds lethel? BJJ uses chokeholds.
taekwon3000 3 years ago
actually you couldn't grab the cage either. so there was actually three rules.
shoulung 3 years ago
chokeholds can be lethal, but then again so can striking. most of the chokeholds cut off oxygen and blood flow to the brain, and seriously if u get locked in, it takes less than 10 to black out... trust me, been there lol. so if ur aim is to kill its possible. but technically u could also beat them to death =/. i like my instructors example. he was mugged in houston, long story short he broke the guys arm, put him the sleep and then dropped him off at the hospital lol
RAWchokeout 2 years ago
Maybe the competitions do but BJJ has no rules as a martial art. Judo as a sport does.
ubush22 2 years ago
i hope u all relize there is traditional jujitsu, then there is brazilian jujitsu and traditional is more stand up and the first
theconqueror 3 years ago
I have lost some respect to the Gracies. But they only got there fame by beating other martial arts.
yeee941 3 years ago
y the lost respect?
stullcasa 3 years ago
That was so awesome,Gracie family arent pussys,They pretty much made this Martial art what it is today,they can fight on the streets,and they can definatly fight there own kind.Who do you think they Roll with?
yeee941 3 years ago 2
I like Jiu Jitsu, but I hate the pussy Gracie family who goes out and challenges every other martial art. Do your thing and get it done, but stop being a bunch of Brazilian cocksucking douchebags. HUGHES vs ROYCE! Genki vs. Royler! Suck that baby!!!
RDTProductions 3 years ago
othr martial arts challenged them
stullcasa 3 years ago
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Bjj is fucking stupid!
UchihaItachi8989 3 years ago
umm
Temic, at the first 30 second BJJ throws punchs. so shut you god damn mouth.
jeetkunejudo 3 years ago
that was a very nice "koshi nage" in the beginning of the match. He entered very deeply.
EishinRyu 4 years ago
wasn't koshi nage, his leg was on the inside it was similar to an uchi mata
building7911 3 years ago
I've seen "Karate vs two opponents". I've yet to see "BJJ vs two opponents".
Hotora86 4 years ago
You know what, just ignore this comment, I'm sick of quarreling about this.
Hotora86 4 years ago
you wont see that.
bjjcrap 3 years ago
great upload
poolboyinla 4 years ago
If you are really Martial Artist.... Don't Compare them. A true martial artist trains. So start training. Yaw-Yan, Kyokushin, Muay-thai they are the same but different in many ways. Those 3 are Striking art so stop comparing.. I think people don't know anything about martial arts
WireLeAF 4 years ago
Only punching and kicking will not win from someone who knows grappling. If the grappling person learns to punch he is very dangerous. He will fit in punching in his grappling style.
Temic 4 years ago
Of course anyone who really knew Hapkido, Kung Fu, Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Tai Chi, Cantonese Nut Slapping, Pottery, Fencing, Boxing, Dim Mak, Dragonball Z, Yoga, WWE, or Aikido would NEVER lose to a BJJ guy!
hillerm 4 years ago
Haha, very funny mate.
wojtex12 4 years ago
hey stop that the karate guy is not good that s all.vovchanchin is a striker and he was able to knock any grappler if the fighter is not confident in himself he would be so afraid of his opponent that he would not dare to strike
mzkch 4 years ago
actually, from a physics standpoint, a BJJ guy would not be able to get close enough to a karate guy to apply their locks. Its not a question if whether or not karate works; its a question if whether or not a karate guy is cold blooded enough to use it. Come on, who out there has it in them to use it full force? Be worrysome if there were people out there like that.
stardingo747 4 years ago
are you being serious?? there are plenty of ass-hole Karate guys that have tried their damndest to defeat the Gracies.
halfmount 4 years ago
hahahahahaha!
keep telling yourself that stardingo747.
hillerm 4 years ago
@halfmount You honestly think there is not one single well placed strike that can take another man out? Blah ha ha i agree with stardingo he makes valid point guy's do not wanna go all out out of respect. Any true martial art is lethal when used full force and as far as bjj goes guys it aint even a martial art but yes it is a good self defense art. Martial art translates war art never seen them damn grappler's in war.
lococavasa 1 year ago
@lococavasa yea people never end up fighting close quarters, hand to hand, on the ground. idiot. all us forces are trained in some form of ground fighting.
TapAmericana 1 year ago
@TapAmericana Fuck you go read the dictionary ass wipe. Then you will know what martial art translates. I already clearly stated bjj is good for self defense but it is not a martial art. What does you being in the forces got to do with the reality of rather are not you go to the ground?You in the forces do i care? No nor did i commit on that so back to you don't feed what is not served asshole.
lococavasa 1 year ago
@TapAmericana another thing i do not believe any of my commits were directed towards you so again reflecting on you natzi ass special forces. You and your uniform can take your bullshit and shove it because you and special forces do not reflect me the martial arts are the reality of living. Do what you do that is not me.
lococavasa 1 year ago
@TapAmericana I suppose you well excuse me internet warrior that is what you are think that because bjj is taught in special forces its a war art. So let me guess if i know how to box and i am in a war then boxing is oddimatically a martial art just like any other art? No you know why because traditionally boxing was never used in war nor was bjj. Jujitsu is a martial art it shares roots to judo a sport that helped shape and create bjj. An art used to popularize mma in the ufc. Also a sport.
lococavasa 1 year ago
@TapAmericana And if you can't understand any of that then your just a hopeless slime who probably got ptst are some other shit from being brain washed by the war machine you suck dick to fuck you and everything you stand for you don't help me are any other American your just used to die in war and make other scum like your self happy. YOU FUCKING IDIOT SLAVE.
lococavasa 1 year ago
@lococavasa You on something? i never once mentioned special forces or said i was in the military haha. And why am i an internet warrior? Just so you know, you are correct. martial art, does translate to war art. However, war, translates to "a struggle." so "war art" translates literally as "the art of struggle." BJJ is definitely a struggle my bad mouthed and under-educated, internet nemesis. Oh and thank you for the long response, I'm glad a slime such as myself was worth your valuable time.
TapAmericana 1 year ago
yea people never end up fighting close quarters, hand to hand, on the ground. idiot. all us forces are trained in some form of ground fighting-YOUR COMMIT never mentioned the forces aee WOW you need to go punch a punching bag are some shit you come on here talking out of your ass so you know what if i am an idiot so are you. Thats what you get shit well produce shit have anything else to say nagative then fuck you. Your the slime not me.
lococavasa 1 year ago
@lococavasa Also as for me needing to "read a dictionary," here is a short list of your Spelling and Grammatical errors.
Then you will know what martial art translates.
What does you being in the forces got to do with the reality of rather are not you go to the ground? You in the forces do i care?
commit
commits
natzi
you and special forces do not reflect me
oddimatically
Those are just a few of your many idiocy's. Take care and lick my sack ya' fairy....
TapAmericana 1 year ago
@TapAmericana @lococavasa yea people never end up fighting close quarters, hand to hand, on the ground. idiot. all us forces are trained in some form of ground fighting. YEAH YOU JUST CALLED ME AN IDIOT BECAUSE YOU TALK SHIT AND YOU DID MENTION FORCES i guess the idea of Grammatical errors might be correct but who cares so my spelling blow & your just a shit talking homo who needs to shut his mouth. What you really thought id let you call me an idiot?
lococavasa 1 year ago
@TapAmericana And for what? Your approval of the arts come on man your an internet warrior i could care less what you think i myself have respect for all arts you just came at me from nowhere like some sick and twisted tool. I dont know you so back the fuck off. You talk shit so know you can eat. You wanna say anything else to show for idiocy then fuck you all over the place up and down asshole.
lococavasa 1 year ago
@lococavasa
Wow bud you take this to far all i said was idiot, which i stand by, and you call me a sick twisted tool? LMFAO! You called me a "special forces Natzi." when i said us forces i meant U.S. forces, but since your reading comprehension is zilch, i shouldn't expect you to catch on to such minor things. you act like i attacked you you with something all i did is point out your obvious flaw in logic, you should be thanking me for the education.
TapAmericana 1 year ago
@TapAmericana I suppose know your gonna say but i never said special forces da da da. Well then don't even mention the forces cause it makes it sound like your directing that to me because i said bjj is not a martial art so it would seem like your cover up. None the less you cannot eat what you do not serve.
lococavasa 1 year ago
@lococavasa BJJ is a martial art, MOST Martial Arts came from Traditional Japanese Ju Jutsu...which came from wrestling etc....
And out Military is trained in Ground Fighting... The Japanese developed Ju Jutsu because punches and kicks had no effect on armored soldiers, but they were able to use joint locks and throws....
RobbieH02879 1 year ago
@RobbieH02879 That's your o pion. I would agree with you if you said it is a effect way towards self defense however. Martial art refers something to warfare. I myself consider Japaneses ju jitsu ancestor to bjj to be a martial art. But no were have people put so much in fa since on ground working in tell the rise of the gracies and the gaining popularity of the mma arts as the ufc displays it. Let me add on this is commercialization not a crystal clear image of what true combat is.
lococavasa 1 year ago
@RobbieH02879 As the mma arts in the ufc thus have provided people with there version of combat. Traditional we have weapons. In the streets people can do whatever of course its not really realistic to say train in stick fighting and walk around everwere with a stick but lets just remember are traditions. Not never did i say the military does not train people in how to grapple when i fight goes