In your video you quoted a passage that says that anyone who does not agree with the words of Jesus are conceited and do not comprehend anything, I find that insulting and tyranical,and you expect respect !! good luck, you cannot expect respect when what you believe is not respectful.
@bberchin: you seem like a decent, thoughtful guy. Consider this: the fruits of the thirty year old mobilization of American fundamentalist Christians into mainstream politics testifies to another reality, one that is rife with divisiveness and hate and one that threatens our American way of life. Objectively, there has been a major decline in the US body politic since Christian chickens came in and began voting blindly for Kentucky Fried Chicken (going against Rom. 13:1).
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."
It is Biblical.
But thanks for cherry picking, if people didn't things would be a lot worse.
Video Description: "I challenge all unbelievers to treat me and my brothers and sisters with the same respect and integrity we show them. To God be all the glory!"
His whole rant about how we should treat each other with respect at around 5:40
The first thing on this video is a Bible quote saying anyone who is not Christian (well, does not agree with the words of Jesus) is conceited and understands nothing.
Also, should have mentioned Galileo or Darwin along with Newton.
He mentions Jim Kennedy and says that he is not Emperor Constantine.
Don't knock Constantine. Without him, there probably wouldn't be a christian religion today, other than a few small isolated sects living out a basic life in the middle east somewhere.
Perhaps you're one of those christians that do not believe in a hell that tortures people, but if you do, I have no respect for you whatsoever. You'd be a despicable person to worship a deity that would allow that sort of thing. You are just as culpable as the deity you worship.
Human nature has a scale: left/right. Place on the scale is proportional to insecurity and denial one has for Nature. With more anxiety a person will delude himself that Nature is controllable. Anxiety is reduced by a belief in a hierarchical grid that governs Nature. God on top/blacks and Jews on the bottom. Sex and death cannot be controlled, there is no purpose to our existence. If conservatives would unclench their assh@le they would see that hierarchy reduces anxiety, but ruins their soul.
I think ProMyth is right the man you are defending sound no different than the 3rd Reich; also have you read the Bible? It promotes genocide, invasion of other civilizations and Murder.
You are defending the indefensible Christian Reich; NO one wants to live in your Christian society full of liars.
You show no respect and that throws away any claim you have to Dignity
PS: Im not an Atheist but I still think you are very wrong.
bbrchin. When words like "only,all,each,never every,none.etc. are used as a absolutist nature close the door and allow no escape,and sometime falsified the verse like you quoted 2Tim3;10-12 & Col.2;28 and many more in the bible. thank you
bberchin. You quoted 2Tim.3;10-12 is another lie,ALL MEANS ALL ,not all christian are persecuted for their beleif, your bible lies left-right.
Col.2.28 Again :EVERY" there are many people who can never hear about Jesus,Mentally challenge people for example poeple who live in countries with no freedomm. Sorry but you quoted 2 lying verses.
Why is it that as a Christian, one can blame "sin" and "stress" when it is the person who chooses to take a life?
To your statement on respect; I admonish you, although you intend to speak for yourself to one man, you should know you are speaking for many and to many. I am happy that you stated your desire to have respectful disagreements. I applaud you, and hope you can influence others to join in your endeavor.
Lastly, I am an Atheist. I love people & have no need to fear a god to do so.
The man you speak of with the protests and homosexual hating, his name is Fred Phelps and his church is the Westboro baptist church. It is a cult out of Topeka Kansas I think, it is unaffiliated with any baptist denomination, confession or creed that I know of. You probably already know about them by now, and they make me sad. It totally gives people an excuse to call all Christians hatemongers as well.
Yes, thank you, I know that. He is a disgusting figure which I am horrified to have associated with the church. He and others like him are a big problem for us and I wish they would open their Bibles. :)
Heh, yeah. There is no grace preached in that church, they must purposely overlook any and all verses that show us that God is loving and rich in mercy. Such a lack of biblical balance. Must be torturous to them as well... a through and through vengeful angry God who shows no mercy and never ceases to be in the back of their mind holding up a hatchet waiting for them to slip up. For me, that would turn my life into a Martin Luther scenario, a love/hate relationship with God...
You're right- I am no better than you. We're both sinners and God is much better than us. Many unbelievers do not even give me the chance to show them respect. What's more, they misinterpret my message of truth for disrespect; it's not disrespect- you know how they say that truth hurts? My message may be hard at times, but it is delivered with soberness and understanding that I am a sinner as well.
Well, religion has hurt my family, and has caused millions upon millions of deaths, injuries and suffering.
The Qur'an and Bible (amongst others)--are fraught with ridiculous fables, fantastic tales, and downright lies.
I suppose you believe in a talking snake, a man who lived in a whale's stomach, and Noah rescuing the whole world in one ship, including to get all the animals to have sex on the ship...
Religion has not hurt anyone. Sinful people have hurt many people. Before you go misinterpreting and poking fun at the Bible you should take a look at yourself and acknowledge your own sin, own up to it, and turn away from it. All of you who make these kinds of comments seem to enjoy your own sin and very hypocritically judge me, the Christian faith, and God. Deal with yourself and then we'll talk.
Well, my dear bberchin, unless you've been living in a cave, you can't be serious about, "Religion has not hurt anyone."
What about the inquisition, the Islamic Jihad and terrorism, the persecution of GLBT people, the Crusades, Darfur, the abuse of Catholic children, misogyny, etc?
Read "Is religion killing us?" by Jack Nelson Pallmeyer. I hope you're open-minded enough to seek the truth--instead of merely accepting what's written in the Bible at face value.
By the way, I'm not an "Evil" Atheist; I do believe in God, but I just don't think that any particular religion holds the monopoly over our relationship with God.
"God knows everything before it happens, he planned everything before anything ever happened. why would he plan for his world that he made to abandoned him?
You're right about Christians not being the cause for violence , etc. The blame is on your religious leaders. And then you go and blame it on sin. Let me ask you this. "God" is all knowing, "God" made everything. I was told we have sin because of Adam and Eve. So.... "God" was there before the word, and "God" was the word, blah blah blah. So therefore "God" created Evil. So therefore "God" created the "Devil".
Dude, apparently you don't even know your own Bible all that well. At roughly 4:20 in your video, you describe a man going around with a sign saying, "Kill the fags!", and then you say, "THAT is not Biblical!"
Lev 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.
And before you say that was OT, Jesus explicitly stated in NT, that OT law should be upheld.
Yes, I've addressed this. Do you REALLY think this says "kill the fags!"? If you do, you do not understand how to read scripture, you do not know who God is, and you do not know how to bring all of scripture to bear in order to gain understanding of an isolated passage such as that.
" If you do, you do not understand how to read scripture, "
First off, yes, I kind of think "they shall be put to death" might suggest killing them.
Perhaps not, but that is no excuse. For, clearly there are many others out there who do not know how to "read scripture", but they are willing and able to warp it to fit thier means. Whether it be the Wansboro idiots, Kennedy, Robertson, Haggard, Orwell, or even MLK jr. who used it in a very positive way, they are all just interpreting it.
Yes, yes, an old man who has not dealt with himself, but wasted his life scrutinizing God with no faith and no understanding. His hermeneutics are terrible and he interprets from his own feeble mind. lol- I don't even know where to start with that guy. If you've put your stock in him and what he has to say then you are a bigger fool than I expected.
I respect you as a human. I have respect for Christians. Admittedly, I don't know much about James Kennedy. However, anyone, no matter how they try to attain the goal of injecting any religion into the US government is my enemy.
Despite the claims by Dominion Theology aka Christian Reconstructionism supporters, America was not founded as a Christian nation. Many of the founding fathers were deists. Yes the majority of people are Christians but the government was founded as a secular gov.
All of the major principles of freedom and law were based upon the Bible and much of the work of John Calvin in Geneva, Switzerland. Many of our four fathers were Christians- many of them may have had some poor theological ideas, but many of them loved Christ and built a system for us to worship Him freely without government interference. Our problem today, among many others, is that many government philosophies and practices are unbiblical and immoral.
"All of the major ... law were based upon the Bible" Code of Hammurabi
Washington: Christian-Deist
Adams: Christian-Deist
Jefferson: Deist
Madison: Christian-Deist
Monroe: Christian-Deist
Paine: Deist
Franklin: Deist
"is that many government philosophies and practices are unbiblical" According to your interpretation. Which is exactly what founders did not want, someone imposing their religious belief on others.
There view: religion+government = greatest tyranny.
"many of them may have had some poor theological ideas"
you can't have it both ways. "Founding fathers were Christians therefore US is a Christian nation. This person had poor theological ideas, therefore you can't count his opinion" - No true Scotsman
A man's theology does not keep him from or win him eternal life- belief through faith alone by grace alone does that. There are many Christians, including historical ones, who have questionable and downright unbiblical ideas about things, but can still be part of the saved of God. I don't expect you to understand that or receive it, but that's the truth.
You fall into the same fallacy that most Americans buy into about what separation of church and state really meant when it was first instituted. It wasn't to drive out God from government and mainstream society- it was to keep government out of the business of the church and to keep the church from running the government as the Roman church did in the dark ages. Learn history- don't interpret it and get it from pop culture.
The theological and pastoral work of John Calvin was not only very much responsible for the revitalization of Geneva, but served as a model for the birth of our own nation as well. His model of freedom, which is the biblical model, was the original model of this nation. It has been distorted much over the last 232 years and the history of what took place and why back then has also been distorted and tucked away by a wildly secular society. Just what do you think freedom really is?
"It has been distorted much over the last 232 years and the history of what took place and why back then has also been distorted and tucked away by a wildly secular society."
Ah, of course. History has been "distorted" by secular society. Well, no wonder you're a fan of D. James Kennedy's.
Kennedy was an asshat... you calling him a godly man is exactly the point of calling bs. The fact that his rhetoric was more palatable to the moderate christian is exactly what makes him so dangerous. The difference between Kennedy and Fred Phelps (the guy you were trying to remember) is that you can stomach listening to Kennedy's version and you have a harder time with Phelps. But listen to their message, it's the same. "Hate the sin love the sinner" and "god hates fags" are both bullshit.
"Hate the sin love the sinner" and "god hates fags"- I don't agree with either of those positions because the scriptures don't. I don't know if Kennedy ever said that (I can bet He didn't), but if he did, he's wrong. Read Psalm 5, but I'm sure you won't bother to do that. You don't know anything about what is taught in the scriptures, but yet you can scrutinize a man like Jim Kennedy. lol!
Backhanded insults and self contradictions. Is that all you have?
Well, I'll take the bet on whether Kennedy ever said anything of the kind. Google is your friend.
For the record, I actually do know the bible (quite a bit better than most christians). I'm glad you understand psalms 5 as one of the basis for such a thought as 'be like god' and 'hate the sin and love the sinner' (5:5-6 esp combined with Lev 18 and Lev 20). That is scriptural.
God thinks "kill the fags" is discusting, but isn't the following from God:
"Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
God's judgement from God Himself. This wasn't a person on his own yelling "kill the fags". God is instructing His people in order and retribution for sins against a perfect and holy God. You have no business scrutinizing God's ways when you haven't even dealt with your own sin.
fundamentalists like you are scary. you are asking for a theocracy, and you dont even understand why this is wrong.
i guess we need to deconvert every single christian out there so that your stupid and dangerous religion gets forgotten completely. or there will always be fundamentalists making excuses for liars and asking for a theocracy.
I never asked for a theocracy, nor am I a liar or a fundamentalist. I believe in the word of God. You are an unbeliever who thinks he is the captain of his destiny and has his own ideas of what is right and wrong while ignoring your own depraved nature- that's what's dangerous. My sin has been revealed to me and I rely on Christ for eternal life. If people faced up to their sin and realized what they are this world would be a much better place.
"God thinks that ..." OH MY GOSH ARE YOU INSANE? You think you know what god (a non-existent being) THINKS! How self-serving! How presumptuous! How deluded! What makes you know what a god is thinking?
A few reasons the bible isn't the word of a supernatural being: 1. inconsistencies. 2. written by primitive people. 3. reflects primitive knowledge of the universe. 4. primitive knowledge was wrong yet the bible follows the errors. 5. incredibly amoral nasty being depicted. 6. promotes slavery. 7. known to be edited. 8. imaginary events claimed without proof. 9. no positive evidence any gods. 10. All gods have been historically pushed back and back.
1. inconsistencies: see klomckin videos 2. primitive is not old. Age is not relevant. The Pythagoras theorem is still right, he was not a primitive. 3. sun still goes around the earth? 4. Primitive knowledge: read the bible (eg flood geology) 5. read the bible - see many youtube atheist videos (cont)
"The Pythagoras theorem is still right, he was not a primitive."- So anyone who is contrary to what you see is right is primitive? Sounds egotistical and presumptuous- as you always sound. You need to get off your science pedestal and join reality for a while. You know nothing of what the bible teaches because you are not of the faith and have not had your eyes open to its meaning. That is beyond your power and that honks you off. Sorry, friend, but you are out of line as usual.
6. read the bible, see videos on slavery, many passages allow it. 7. Edited material could not be perfect word of god; would have been perfect the first time and carved in titanium alloy. 8. No proof? Then you have no knowledge. 9. You still give no evidence, just a denial! 10. Gods used to be in the land, trees, water; then sky; now 'before the big bang'. The location is clearly being pushed back.
"read the bible, see videos on slavery, many passages allow it."- I've read and you ignored my point. You judge everything you read about slavery in the bible against the slavery in America in the mid 1800's. You are mistaken and the slavery the bible talks about is much different and non-oppressive. And, the bible has never been "edited", only translated from the original Hebrew and Greek. Any "edits" have been wrongfully made by people like the JW's.
sure you are responsible for the violence and corruption of wars and creationists - you support the same insane basis, a belief in things that don't exit. So STOP your faith a moment and realize that blue rabbits DO NOT EXIST! Stop your lying about glowing fang toothed blue rabbits! When you deluded people stop then there won't be need of the prof's vids.
You're comparing ProfMTH to Fred Phelps?????? NO ONE is as bad or worse than Fred Phelps, not even the devil!!! And that is an insult no self-respecting person can brush off!!!
Your talking about Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church. Anyways, even if that quote was interpreted wrong any rational person should be deeply afraid of those with "strong faith" exercising all control over their government and scientific institutions. Historically whenever Christianity has held state powers the result has almost always been persecution of others.
Fred Phelps! Thank you, stagism. Christianity didn't hold the power, but someone who claimed Christ did. Our current president claims Christ and some of his testimony is quite compelling, but I'm not going to hitch my wagon to Mr. Bush because I think he is a Christian. Many Christians make that mistake. Any professing Christian who soughts after such a position as president probably has some theological problems and maybe issues with unbelief.
Anyways, I just finished watching an interesting documentary on the Mayan peoples of Mexico(included was a tibit about Spanish priests being given holy orders to convert or kill the native peoples and destroy their writings). I find it interesting that so many people of faith are considered "good Christians" until they get power at which point the "not a true Christian" card is pulled.
I'm glad you brought that up, because I was thinking about this today. The persecution you spoke of was derived from the Roman Catholic church. The Roman Catholic church, which I'm sure you know, is not a biblical church at all. History tells us that "church" was often bent on political and social conquest as well as manipulation of the classes and culture (and still is). Very unbiblical and, frankly, unchristian.
To clarify, Christianity is not responsible for any social or political problems- people are. True biblical leadership, however, is something this country would benefit from and would be glad to have if it ever were to happen, because of the moral and ethical standards taught and lived by the model- Christ.
I dont think its possible to have true biblical leadership, there are so many sects of Christianity, who really is to say what is biblical leadership? Every Christian denomination makes the same claim as to the legitimacy of their specific sect. The bible itself is so contradictory and obscure that almost every sect can be justified in some way(ever the Fred Phelps sect). As long as Christians respect abortion rights, gay rights and dont meddle in the affairs of science/education I have no issue
You are right to a point, but the Bible is clear about what leadership is and what a leader should be. Many denominations choose to do their own thing without a second thought and would disagree with the biblical form only because they are mostly rooted in tradition and not the word of God.
Dr.Kennedy was one of the most godly man the church has had in a long time and he was a beacon of light in a perverse and wicked world! God bless him for standing up for the truth of the Scriptures.
Thanks for the response. I'll do a video response to it soon. For now, just a few quick notes. First, I neither said nor implied anything about Dr. Kennedy and his fellow Dominionists pursuing their agenda by violence. Second, I didn't imply that people in that movement use deceit and propaganda; I quite clearly and unequivocally said they lie and use propaganda -- and I offered examples. Third, as I've already said to you, I believe Dr. Kennedy's Dominionist rhetoric is crazy.
I believe your atheistic propaganda is crazy as well. However, I don't believe that you are crazy. I think it would be nice if you clarified your statement along with an apology to Dr. Kennedy (even though he is dead) and those who respect him and have benefited from his lifelong ministry. That's all I've been waiting for.
"I believe your atheistic propaganda is crazy as well. However, I don't believe that you are crazy."
I appreciate that. Nor do I think you are crazy. Nor do I think most believers are crazy. But there *are* crazy ones. Please note, Bberchin, my thinking Dr. Kennedy was crazy doesn't go to the fact that he was a believer. It goes to his Dominionist views and his extremist political activism. If this offends you, I'm sorry. However, I won't be less than honest in my assessment.
Thank you, Professor, I really appreciate that comment. I agree with you when you say there are "crazy ones". I mentioned one of them in the video. I also think you may have read too much into Kennedy's statement. What he meant and the degree to which he meant each word is something which opponents of his (and mine) are going to take great license in determining.
What strikes me as curious, Bberchin, is that you expressed offense at my calling Dr. Kennedy crazy, but in a comment you posted on another video, you wrote the following, "Arrogance and presumption are the primary characteristics of atheistic unbelievers along with pride and ambitious autonomy." So is calling a group of people arrogant & presumptuous -- indeed, saying these are the people's primary characteristics -- OK, but calling an individual believer crazy because of his views is not OK?
"Crazy" comes with much different connotations than arrogance and presumption. Arrogance, for example, is something that can be dealt with on an intellectual and spiritual level. Calling someone "crazy" is non-productive and does not promote any kind of change; it's just an accusation. Although, you can look through all of my videos and comments and I'm sure I've contradicted myself more than once- that's one of the reasons I want people to look at Christ and not me.
In your video you quoted a passage that says that anyone who does not agree with the words of Jesus are conceited and do not comprehend anything, I find that insulting and tyranical,and you expect respect !! good luck, you cannot expect respect when what you believe is not respectful.
233yvan 4 months ago
@bberchin: you seem like a decent, thoughtful guy. Consider this: the fruits of the thirty year old mobilization of American fundamentalist Christians into mainstream politics testifies to another reality, one that is rife with divisiveness and hate and one that threatens our American way of life. Objectively, there has been a major decline in the US body politic since Christian chickens came in and began voting blindly for Kentucky Fried Chicken (going against Rom. 13:1).
0gods 7 months ago
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And while I don't agree with the Westboro Baptist Church...
Leviticus 20:13
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."
It is Biblical.
But thanks for cherry picking, if people didn't things would be a lot worse.
MrImmoli 7 months ago
Video Description: "I challenge all unbelievers to treat me and my brothers and sisters with the same respect and integrity we show them. To God be all the glory!"
His whole rant about how we should treat each other with respect at around 5:40
The first thing on this video is a Bible quote saying anyone who is not Christian (well, does not agree with the words of Jesus) is conceited and understands nothing.
Also, should have mentioned Galileo or Darwin along with Newton.
MrImmoli 7 months ago
He mentions Jim Kennedy and says that he is not Emperor Constantine.
Don't knock Constantine. Without him, there probably wouldn't be a christian religion today, other than a few small isolated sects living out a basic life in the middle east somewhere.
HonestMan395 8 months ago
Perhaps you're one of those christians that do not believe in a hell that tortures people, but if you do, I have no respect for you whatsoever. You'd be a despicable person to worship a deity that would allow that sort of thing. You are just as culpable as the deity you worship.
CrazyBluePrime 8 months ago
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Human nature has a scale: left/right. Place on the scale is proportional to insecurity and denial one has for Nature. With more anxiety a person will delude himself that Nature is controllable. Anxiety is reduced by a belief in a hierarchical grid that governs Nature. God on top/blacks and Jews on the bottom. Sex and death cannot be controlled, there is no purpose to our existence. If conservatives would unclench their assh@le they would see that hierarchy reduces anxiety, but ruins their soul.
ritavillezulu 2 years ago
I think ProMyth is right the man you are defending sound no different than the 3rd Reich; also have you read the Bible? It promotes genocide, invasion of other civilizations and Murder.
You are defending the indefensible Christian Reich; NO one wants to live in your Christian society full of liars.
You show no respect and that throws away any claim you have to Dignity
PS: Im not an Atheist but I still think you are very wrong.
pranays 2 years ago
bbechin. There is no Col.2;28 in my bible Jkv? I think you meant Col. 1;28
robertobrian6 2 years ago
bbrchin. When words like "only,all,each,never every,none.etc. are used as a absolutist nature close the door and allow no escape,and sometime falsified the verse like you quoted 2Tim3;10-12 & Col.2;28 and many more in the bible. thank you
robertobrian6 2 years ago
bberchin. You quoted 2Tim.3;10-12 is another lie,ALL MEANS ALL ,not all christian are persecuted for their beleif, your bible lies left-right.
Col.2.28 Again :EVERY" there are many people who can never hear about Jesus,Mentally challenge people for example poeple who live in countries with no freedomm. Sorry but you quoted 2 lying verses.
robertobrian6 2 years ago
Why is it that as a Christian, one can blame "sin" and "stress" when it is the person who chooses to take a life?
To your statement on respect; I admonish you, although you intend to speak for yourself to one man, you should know you are speaking for many and to many. I am happy that you stated your desire to have respectful disagreements. I applaud you, and hope you can influence others to join in your endeavor.
Lastly, I am an Atheist. I love people & have no need to fear a god to do so.
TaurusCanser 2 years ago
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tailflip1080 2 years ago
The man you speak of with the protests and homosexual hating, his name is Fred Phelps and his church is the Westboro baptist church. It is a cult out of Topeka Kansas I think, it is unaffiliated with any baptist denomination, confession or creed that I know of. You probably already know about them by now, and they make me sad. It totally gives people an excuse to call all Christians hatemongers as well.
Vanmeter815 2 years ago
Yes, thank you, I know that. He is a disgusting figure which I am horrified to have associated with the church. He and others like him are a big problem for us and I wish they would open their Bibles. :)
bberchin 2 years ago
Heh, yeah. There is no grace preached in that church, they must purposely overlook any and all verses that show us that God is loving and rich in mercy. Such a lack of biblical balance. Must be torturous to them as well... a through and through vengeful angry God who shows no mercy and never ceases to be in the back of their mind holding up a hatchet waiting for them to slip up. For me, that would turn my life into a Martin Luther scenario, a love/hate relationship with God...
Vanmeter815 2 years ago
"I challenge all unbelievers to treat me and my brothers and sisters with the same respect and integrity we show them."
When the same is given to me I give it back, it's a two way street. Don't treatwith me with respect, don't expect any back
"All have fallen short in the sight of God", therefore you are no better than me.
MangaGothicTheMovie 3 years ago
You're right- I am no better than you. We're both sinners and God is much better than us. Many unbelievers do not even give me the chance to show them respect. What's more, they misinterpret my message of truth for disrespect; it's not disrespect- you know how they say that truth hurts? My message may be hard at times, but it is delivered with soberness and understanding that I am a sinner as well.
bberchin 3 years ago
Religion=lies=ignorance=fear=hate=suffering
antidote2010 3 years ago
Interesting... let me suggest something more accurate-
SIN=lies=ignorance=fear=hate=suffering
Don't blame religion for all our problems- the biggest problem is sin and people not wanting to face it and own up to it.
bberchin 3 years ago
Well, religion has hurt my family, and has caused millions upon millions of deaths, injuries and suffering.
The Qur'an and Bible (amongst others)--are fraught with ridiculous fables, fantastic tales, and downright lies.
I suppose you believe in a talking snake, a man who lived in a whale's stomach, and Noah rescuing the whole world in one ship, including to get all the animals to have sex on the ship...
antidote2010 3 years ago
Religion has not hurt anyone. Sinful people have hurt many people. Before you go misinterpreting and poking fun at the Bible you should take a look at yourself and acknowledge your own sin, own up to it, and turn away from it. All of you who make these kinds of comments seem to enjoy your own sin and very hypocritically judge me, the Christian faith, and God. Deal with yourself and then we'll talk.
bberchin 3 years ago
Well, my dear bberchin, unless you've been living in a cave, you can't be serious about, "Religion has not hurt anyone."
What about the inquisition, the Islamic Jihad and terrorism, the persecution of GLBT people, the Crusades, Darfur, the abuse of Catholic children, misogyny, etc?
antidote2010 3 years ago
Read "Is religion killing us?" by Jack Nelson Pallmeyer. I hope you're open-minded enough to seek the truth--instead of merely accepting what's written in the Bible at face value.
By the way, I'm not an "Evil" Atheist; I do believe in God, but I just don't think that any particular religion holds the monopoly over our relationship with God.
antidote2010 3 years ago
"God knows everything before it happens, he planned everything before anything ever happened. why would he plan for his world that he made to abandoned him?
YourGovtLies 3 years ago
You're right about Christians not being the cause for violence , etc. The blame is on your religious leaders. And then you go and blame it on sin. Let me ask you this. "God" is all knowing, "God" made everything. I was told we have sin because of Adam and Eve. So.... "God" was there before the word, and "God" was the word, blah blah blah. So therefore "God" created Evil. So therefore "God" created the "Devil".
YourGovtLies 3 years ago
(Don't know if it's been said alredy)
Dude, apparently you don't even know your own Bible all that well. At roughly 4:20 in your video, you describe a man going around with a sign saying, "Kill the fags!", and then you say, "THAT is not Biblical!"
Lev 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.
And before you say that was OT, Jesus explicitly stated in NT, that OT law should be upheld.
NormDePlume69 3 years ago
Yes, I've addressed this. Do you REALLY think this says "kill the fags!"? If you do, you do not understand how to read scripture, you do not know who God is, and you do not know how to bring all of scripture to bear in order to gain understanding of an isolated passage such as that.
bberchin 3 years ago
" If you do, you do not understand how to read scripture, "
First off, yes, I kind of think "they shall be put to death" might suggest killing them.
Perhaps not, but that is no excuse. For, clearly there are many others out there who do not know how to "read scripture", but they are willing and able to warp it to fit thier means. Whether it be the Wansboro idiots, Kennedy, Robertson, Haggard, Orwell, or even MLK jr. who used it in a very positive way, they are all just interpreting it.
NormDePlume69 3 years ago
The Bible, Qur'an--amongst many others--are fraught with violence-of-God scriptures.
Please take the time to read: Is Religion Killing Us? Violence in the Bible and the Quran.
It is an objective in-depth analysis of "The three religions of the books."
antidote2010 3 years ago
youtube: klomckin
farvision 3 years ago
Yes, yes, an old man who has not dealt with himself, but wasted his life scrutinizing God with no faith and no understanding. His hermeneutics are terrible and he interprets from his own feeble mind. lol- I don't even know where to start with that guy. If you've put your stock in him and what he has to say then you are a bigger fool than I expected.
bberchin 3 years ago
Using ad hominems destroys your arguments.
Not responding to his points, not even one,
says you don't have any way to respond. Looks like you need to listen to DonExodus2.
farvision 3 years ago
I respect you as a human. I have respect for Christians. Admittedly, I don't know much about James Kennedy. However, anyone, no matter how they try to attain the goal of injecting any religion into the US government is my enemy.
Despite the claims by Dominion Theology aka Christian Reconstructionism supporters, America was not founded as a Christian nation. Many of the founding fathers were deists. Yes the majority of people are Christians but the government was founded as a secular gov.
A4AgnstcFndmntlst 3 years ago
All of the major principles of freedom and law were based upon the Bible and much of the work of John Calvin in Geneva, Switzerland. Many of our four fathers were Christians- many of them may have had some poor theological ideas, but many of them loved Christ and built a system for us to worship Him freely without government interference. Our problem today, among many others, is that many government philosophies and practices are unbiblical and immoral.
bberchin 3 years ago
"All of the major ... law were based upon the Bible" Code of Hammurabi
Washington: Christian-Deist
Adams: Christian-Deist
Jefferson: Deist
Madison: Christian-Deist
Monroe: Christian-Deist
Paine: Deist
Franklin: Deist
"is that many government philosophies and practices are unbiblical" According to your interpretation. Which is exactly what founders did not want, someone imposing their religious belief on others.
There view: religion+government = greatest tyranny.
A4AgnstcFndmntlst 3 years ago
"many of them may have had some poor theological ideas"
you can't have it both ways. "Founding fathers were Christians therefore US is a Christian nation. This person had poor theological ideas, therefore you can't count his opinion" - No true Scotsman
A4AgnstcFndmntlst 3 years ago
A man's theology does not keep him from or win him eternal life- belief through faith alone by grace alone does that. There are many Christians, including historical ones, who have questionable and downright unbiblical ideas about things, but can still be part of the saved of God. I don't expect you to understand that or receive it, but that's the truth.
bberchin 3 years ago
But it doesn't matter if they were all the most devout Christians ever. Just by their writings, you tell they wanted a separation.
In addition must early American church wanted a separation.
In addition see youtube(dot)com/watch?v=HIWs_G4oJaA
A4AgnstcFndmntlst 3 years ago
You fall into the same fallacy that most Americans buy into about what separation of church and state really meant when it was first instituted. It wasn't to drive out God from government and mainstream society- it was to keep government out of the business of the church and to keep the church from running the government as the Roman church did in the dark ages. Learn history- don't interpret it and get it from pop culture.
bberchin 3 years ago
"Learn history" you should take you own advice. You have either have not or have been betrayed by those that wish to distort history.
A4AgnstcFndmntlst 3 years ago
"All of the major principles of freedom and law were based upon the Bible and much of the work of John Calvin in Geneva, Switzerland."
You don't seriously contend that Calvin's Geneva was a model of how the principles of freedom work, do you, Bberchin?
ProfMTH 3 years ago
The theological and pastoral work of John Calvin was not only very much responsible for the revitalization of Geneva, but served as a model for the birth of our own nation as well. His model of freedom, which is the biblical model, was the original model of this nation. It has been distorted much over the last 232 years and the history of what took place and why back then has also been distorted and tucked away by a wildly secular society. Just what do you think freedom really is?
bberchin 3 years ago
"It has been distorted much over the last 232 years and the history of what took place and why back then has also been distorted and tucked away by a wildly secular society."
Ah, of course. History has been "distorted" by secular society. Well, no wonder you're a fan of D. James Kennedy's.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Kennedy was an asshat... you calling him a godly man is exactly the point of calling bs. The fact that his rhetoric was more palatable to the moderate christian is exactly what makes him so dangerous. The difference between Kennedy and Fred Phelps (the guy you were trying to remember) is that you can stomach listening to Kennedy's version and you have a harder time with Phelps. But listen to their message, it's the same. "Hate the sin love the sinner" and "god hates fags" are both bullshit.
knightxd4 3 years ago
"Hate the sin love the sinner" and "god hates fags"- I don't agree with either of those positions because the scriptures don't. I don't know if Kennedy ever said that (I can bet He didn't), but if he did, he's wrong. Read Psalm 5, but I'm sure you won't bother to do that. You don't know anything about what is taught in the scriptures, but yet you can scrutinize a man like Jim Kennedy. lol!
bberchin 3 years ago
Backhanded insults and self contradictions. Is that all you have?
Well, I'll take the bet on whether Kennedy ever said anything of the kind. Google is your friend.
For the record, I actually do know the bible (quite a bit better than most christians). I'm glad you understand psalms 5 as one of the basis for such a thought as 'be like god' and 'hate the sin and love the sinner' (5:5-6 esp combined with Lev 18 and Lev 20). That is scriptural.
BTW, I was a christian for more than 20 years.
knightxd4 3 years ago
Hope you'll watch ProfMTH's response video showing that "crazy" suits Jim Kennedy fairly well.
zombiechaddy 3 years ago 2
God thinks "kill the fags" is discusting, but isn't the following from God:
"Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
4McClain 3 years ago
God's judgement from God Himself. This wasn't a person on his own yelling "kill the fags". God is instructing His people in order and retribution for sins against a perfect and holy God. You have no business scrutinizing God's ways when you haven't even dealt with your own sin.
bberchin 3 years ago
fundamentalists like you are scary. you are asking for a theocracy, and you dont even understand why this is wrong.
i guess we need to deconvert every single christian out there so that your stupid and dangerous religion gets forgotten completely. or there will always be fundamentalists making excuses for liars and asking for a theocracy.
kurtilein3 3 years ago 2
I never asked for a theocracy, nor am I a liar or a fundamentalist. I believe in the word of God. You are an unbeliever who thinks he is the captain of his destiny and has his own ideas of what is right and wrong while ignoring your own depraved nature- that's what's dangerous. My sin has been revealed to me and I rely on Christ for eternal life. If people faced up to their sin and realized what they are this world would be a much better place.
bberchin 3 years ago
for some reason i dont think you like phelps way of getting his stuff out there (god caused 9/11, fag soldiers, thank god for IED
's, etc)
nailo1 3 years ago
"God thinks that ..." OH MY GOSH ARE YOU INSANE? You think you know what god (a non-existent being) THINKS! How self-serving! How presumptuous! How deluded! What makes you know what a god is thinking?
farvision 3 years ago
God thinks what He says in His word- that's how I know. Anything beyond His word I couldn't tell you; and no, I'm not insane.
bberchin 3 years ago
Circular reasoning. How do you know that the bible is the word of god?
farvision 3 years ago
That's not circular reasoning. I'll put the question back to you- How do you know that the Bible is NOT the word of God?
bberchin 3 years ago
See sciencealwayswins
Penn & Teller Bullshit: The Bible (Part 3)
farvision 3 years ago
A few reasons the bible isn't the word of a supernatural being: 1. inconsistencies. 2. written by primitive people. 3. reflects primitive knowledge of the universe. 4. primitive knowledge was wrong yet the bible follows the errors. 5. incredibly amoral nasty being depicted. 6. promotes slavery. 7. known to be edited. 8. imaginary events claimed without proof. 9. no positive evidence any gods. 10. All gods have been historically pushed back and back.
farvision 3 years ago
1. opinion based on false presupposition
2. "it's old so it must be wrong"- a modern notion which is bunk
3. misinterpreted
4. opinion based on #3
5. opinion based on false presupposition
6. what kind? You obviously don't know history.
7. so?
8. proof not required
9. opinion based on false presupposition
10. does this mean that if everybody thinks it's wrong then it must be wrong? lol
bberchin 3 years ago
1. inconsistencies: see klomckin videos 2. primitive is not old. Age is not relevant. The Pythagoras theorem is still right, he was not a primitive. 3. sun still goes around the earth? 4. Primitive knowledge: read the bible (eg flood geology) 5. read the bible - see many youtube atheist videos (cont)
farvision 3 years ago
"The Pythagoras theorem is still right, he was not a primitive."- So anyone who is contrary to what you see is right is primitive? Sounds egotistical and presumptuous- as you always sound. You need to get off your science pedestal and join reality for a while. You know nothing of what the bible teaches because you are not of the faith and have not had your eyes open to its meaning. That is beyond your power and that honks you off. Sorry, friend, but you are out of line as usual.
bberchin 3 years ago
6. read the bible, see videos on slavery, many passages allow it. 7. Edited material could not be perfect word of god; would have been perfect the first time and carved in titanium alloy. 8. No proof? Then you have no knowledge. 9. You still give no evidence, just a denial! 10. Gods used to be in the land, trees, water; then sky; now 'before the big bang'. The location is clearly being pushed back.
farvision 3 years ago
"read the bible, see videos on slavery, many passages allow it."- I've read and you ignored my point. You judge everything you read about slavery in the bible against the slavery in America in the mid 1800's. You are mistaken and the slavery the bible talks about is much different and non-oppressive. And, the bible has never been "edited", only translated from the original Hebrew and Greek. Any "edits" have been wrongfully made by people like the JW's.
bberchin 3 years ago
sure you are responsible for the violence and corruption of wars and creationists - you support the same insane basis, a belief in things that don't exit. So STOP your faith a moment and realize that blue rabbits DO NOT EXIST! Stop your lying about glowing fang toothed blue rabbits! When you deluded people stop then there won't be need of the prof's vids.
farvision 3 years ago
You're comparing ProfMTH to Fred Phelps?????? NO ONE is as bad or worse than Fred Phelps, not even the devil!!! And that is an insult no self-respecting person can brush off!!!
sthebg20 3 years ago
I never made such a comparison.
bberchin 3 years ago
Jim Kennedy was a good man, however he said extermely inflammatory things from the pulpit. I worked for Coral Ridge for 4 years.
agnosticman77 3 years ago
I disagree with the premise of your video, but kudos the the "Liquid Tension Experiment audio clip.
agnosticman77 3 years ago
Somebody noticed LTE! Cool!
bberchin 3 years ago
enjoyed the video brother, I really liked your ending on not running with everything your Pastor says but doing the biblical research,
keep it up!
eyeztothesky 3 years ago
Thank you! I love my pastor, but I love God and His word more!
bberchin 3 years ago
Your talking about Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church. Anyways, even if that quote was interpreted wrong any rational person should be deeply afraid of those with "strong faith" exercising all control over their government and scientific institutions. Historically whenever Christianity has held state powers the result has almost always been persecution of others.
stagism 3 years ago
Fred Phelps! Thank you, stagism. Christianity didn't hold the power, but someone who claimed Christ did. Our current president claims Christ and some of his testimony is quite compelling, but I'm not going to hitch my wagon to Mr. Bush because I think he is a Christian. Many Christians make that mistake. Any professing Christian who soughts after such a position as president probably has some theological problems and maybe issues with unbelief.
bberchin 3 years ago
Your welcome.
Anyways, I just finished watching an interesting documentary on the Mayan peoples of Mexico(included was a tibit about Spanish priests being given holy orders to convert or kill the native peoples and destroy their writings). I find it interesting that so many people of faith are considered "good Christians" until they get power at which point the "not a true Christian" card is pulled.
stagism 3 years ago
I'm glad you brought that up, because I was thinking about this today. The persecution you spoke of was derived from the Roman Catholic church. The Roman Catholic church, which I'm sure you know, is not a biblical church at all. History tells us that "church" was often bent on political and social conquest as well as manipulation of the classes and culture (and still is). Very unbiblical and, frankly, unchristian.
bberchin 3 years ago
To clarify, Christianity is not responsible for any social or political problems- people are. True biblical leadership, however, is something this country would benefit from and would be glad to have if it ever were to happen, because of the moral and ethical standards taught and lived by the model- Christ.
bberchin 3 years ago
I dont think its possible to have true biblical leadership, there are so many sects of Christianity, who really is to say what is biblical leadership? Every Christian denomination makes the same claim as to the legitimacy of their specific sect. The bible itself is so contradictory and obscure that almost every sect can be justified in some way(ever the Fred Phelps sect). As long as Christians respect abortion rights, gay rights and dont meddle in the affairs of science/education I have no issue
stagism 3 years ago
You are right to a point, but the Bible is clear about what leadership is and what a leader should be. Many denominations choose to do their own thing without a second thought and would disagree with the biblical form only because they are mostly rooted in tradition and not the word of God.
bberchin 3 years ago
Dr.Kennedy was one of the most godly man the church has had in a long time and he was a beacon of light in a perverse and wicked world! God bless him for standing up for the truth of the Scriptures.
ProclaimHisWord 3 years ago
Amen, Mark. Thank you.
bberchin 3 years ago
Thanks for the response. I'll do a video response to it soon. For now, just a few quick notes. First, I neither said nor implied anything about Dr. Kennedy and his fellow Dominionists pursuing their agenda by violence. Second, I didn't imply that people in that movement use deceit and propaganda; I quite clearly and unequivocally said they lie and use propaganda -- and I offered examples. Third, as I've already said to you, I believe Dr. Kennedy's Dominionist rhetoric is crazy.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I believe your atheistic propaganda is crazy as well. However, I don't believe that you are crazy. I think it would be nice if you clarified your statement along with an apology to Dr. Kennedy (even though he is dead) and those who respect him and have benefited from his lifelong ministry. That's all I've been waiting for.
bberchin 3 years ago
"I believe your atheistic propaganda is crazy as well. However, I don't believe that you are crazy."
I appreciate that. Nor do I think you are crazy. Nor do I think most believers are crazy. But there *are* crazy ones. Please note, Bberchin, my thinking Dr. Kennedy was crazy doesn't go to the fact that he was a believer. It goes to his Dominionist views and his extremist political activism. If this offends you, I'm sorry. However, I won't be less than honest in my assessment.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Thank you, Professor, I really appreciate that comment. I agree with you when you say there are "crazy ones". I mentioned one of them in the video. I also think you may have read too much into Kennedy's statement. What he meant and the degree to which he meant each word is something which opponents of his (and mine) are going to take great license in determining.
bberchin 3 years ago
What strikes me as curious, Bberchin, is that you expressed offense at my calling Dr. Kennedy crazy, but in a comment you posted on another video, you wrote the following, "Arrogance and presumption are the primary characteristics of atheistic unbelievers along with pride and ambitious autonomy." So is calling a group of people arrogant & presumptuous -- indeed, saying these are the people's primary characteristics -- OK, but calling an individual believer crazy because of his views is not OK?
ProfMTH 3 years ago
"Crazy" comes with much different connotations than arrogance and presumption. Arrogance, for example, is something that can be dealt with on an intellectual and spiritual level. Calling someone "crazy" is non-productive and does not promote any kind of change; it's just an accusation. Although, you can look through all of my videos and comments and I'm sure I've contradicted myself more than once- that's one of the reasons I want people to look at Christ and not me.
bberchin 3 years ago
"'Crazy' comes with much different connotations than arrogance and presumption."
Of course. OK, thanks. :-)
ProfMTH 3 years ago