Thanks for helping me sort these things out. I used to be convinced by statements like those that Dawkins makes. I'm fairly new to philosophy. I didn't know it could be so fascinating. Keep up the great work, Greg.
God is perfectly holy and yet drowns his own children? (see the flood) :D I think we should let some of these mothers (Like Andrea Yates) go free and walk among others because, afterall, she killed her kids to save them, too. She was just following God's "perfect example".
This guy is spinning his own wheels...and he's stuck.
@rossini55 Let me see if I have this correct. You are saying you read dawkins book, and you are willing to lay your reputation as an intellectual on the line by saying you think it was a serious and scholarly effort?
As an atheist, you are making a truth claim (stop me if you're getting confused). So, support your truth claim with proof.
And please, I beg you, be smart in your response - if that is not possible then just color and don't reply at all - thanks
@mollkatless I am not an 'intellectual' and dont claim to be. I am a man-in-the-street with common sense. His God Delusion book isnt a deep philosophical tome covering every aspect, but is easily accessible to and average Joe like me, and covers the main arguments. What truth claim did I make? I am a little confused by that. I disbelieve claims that theists say are true. I dont have burden of proof. Atheism is the null hypothesis. Not sure if this is 'smart' answer, but its clear
@mollkatless I mean you shouldnt have to be a Dr in philosophy or theology to be able to see that god claims have no evidence. That is intellecual elitism.You dont believe in Zeus but you dont have to read the Iliad or the oddesy or be proficient in Greek history. You dont have to be an expert of fairies to lack belief in them. You may see these arguments as unsophisticated or cliched, but that is because they are perfectly valid.
@mollkatless Some books relating to the atheist position can go into lots of philosophical detail but they are so bloody boring. Atheists are mainly trying to refute the unprovable and undisprovable.Just try writing a book to prove your lack of belief in unicorns is 'accurate and correct' and when the 'unicorn-believers' say you are making a 'truth-claim' you will see where the burden of proof lies.
you seem honest, but have you have given this subject an honest days work? What type of evidence are you seeking? Do you want to haul God into a Lab & run the standard tests?
As an atheist, you make the claim that God does not exist, what evidence supports that position? Don't give me a littany of complaints against the bible. There is a vid of a countryman of yours Dr. Peter Atkins debating William Lane Craig-this may provide you some of what you seek-curious to know your thoughts on it
@mollkatless "What type of evidence are you seeking?"
Dunno, what have you got?!
I am sure an all powerful god would know what it would take to convince me. A new planet appearing instantly. A man appearing from clay and a woman from his rib, or animals appearing out of thin air would be a start. Someone being raised from the dead. You would still have then to prove it was done by a god, let alone the one of the bible.
@mollkatless Anyway you are shifting the burden of proof. Theists make the extraordinary claim that a god exists, and we reject those claims as unsupported by any evidence and therefore unproven. It is not for skeptics to disprove it, it is for you to prove it.
ie I have an invisible magic dragon in my garage that controls the weather, do you believe me? No? Well you cant prove I dont have one. And what about all this weather we have been having recently?
For fucks sake. There is not one shred of evidence to prove god exists or does not exist. Even if there is (my opinion is negligible) It's impossible to convince people that already have a firm belief. Both ends of the spectrum are tunnel visioned. Atheists and Theists are just on opposite end of the same curve. A curve we can describe as the journey to knowledge-life-put aside our differences, stop bickering like 6 year olds and let's work together in developing the human race & solving prob.
@pacrat90 Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. There's no reason to believe there's an all-powerful yet invisible God out there, so let's not pretend that whether he is or isn't there is a 50-50 shot.
pt/2 It thus follows that having faith or belief in a life after death that is offered but cannot be given by Greg's god would be just as logically incoherent, it is like believing in a circular square...absurd.
So following Greg's advice we see that Christian notions of god are contradictory and thus false
Life after death is itself an incoherent logic, by definition contradictory. Death by definition is the absence of life. How should one accept logically that in a state of death one can have life. Greg assumes God is unable to use his power to perform feats of logical incoherence, ie God can't make a "circular square". Greg shows us that God's abilities do not extend to creating logically incoherent states. So it follows that there is no life after death maintained by Greg's God. Thanks Greg..
@milsimaustralia I think when it comes to life after death, he would just respond by saying that is just an incoherent phrase. It could be re worded to say "spiritual life after physical death." Now don't get me wrong, this is not at all what I believe, I'm just trying to point out that there is a perhaps not sound (one would have to prove the existence of the soul), but certainly logical response to your objection.
Koukl dances around with multiple disciplines. Anything he can find to support his argument. If it doesn't work logically, he will make it work semantically, etc.. eg. he defines 'perfection' through semantic distortion so as not to include its own logical paradox and yet he claims a perfect God is subject to the laws of logic.
He plays word games designed to befuddle those who disagree with his foundational belief system and to encourage a sense of intellectual credibility in those that do.
Coming from an atheist, I agree that Dawkin's comment is poor when stated literally, but it does raise interesting questions, and possibly contradictions, within the theology of monotheism.
@lemmy555 only regrets? he is afraid in Genesis 3:22-23 and 11:4-6 he tempted Abraham in Genesis 22:1 but it contradicts James 1:13 "GOD NEVER TEMPTS" he creates stars after creating grass on the earth LOL the whole genesis is fail :D
@insanewarlock666 i dont know how you got afraid from those texts it doesn't even say that, and he tested, Abraham not tempted they are two completely different things, tell me do you believe that humans have a purpose?
actually the definition of the word "omnipotence" was changed multiple times by believers, to satisfy the logic of an omnipotent god. it was changed to something WEAKER than absolute omnipotence!! haahaha
@nickallah I can't get why should theologians exist at all if bible is perfect? was god not able to write a proper understandable book if he is omnipotent? did he not want to create understandable book? theology seems blasphemous :D it violates god's omnipotence most of all...
@insanewarlock666 my friend, you deserve the most thumbs up for all your comments, but on a channel like this with majority bible fuckers, the thumbs up were placed on comments against yours. to me thats just as good lol and yeah, genetic freaks? he mustve done that on purpose if hes omnipotent. omnipotent enough to stop the holocaust? or immoral? this greg kroul character brings nothing new to the table. either hes not omnipotent or not moral.
I think it's funny when Christians dismiss the baby killing, genocidal acts of god from the OT and only accept the morals and eternal torment teachings of Jesus of the NT....then they turn around and say they are the same person. At least when you died in the OT, that god didn't harass you anymore.
argument and anger lies in the bosom of fools. Dawkins' wants to explain way explanation itself...no wonder he's so miserable. to see through everything is not to see at all.
now if god can't create/make illogical things how could he perform miracles that contradict reality more than just square circles and one dimensional cubes or golden iron :D XXL FAIL... you are an idiot as all christians! you are trying to make excuses for ancient jewish shit! my favorite verse from that shit:
Matthew 7:3 "first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye motherfucker" :D yep, jesus did say that last word...
You are using abstract objects which really cannot be changed, if they did they would completely lose their defintion and value and become something else. I think that is why no one has bothered to reply to your stupid comment. Heres my favourite verse: Psalm 14:1 'Only a fool says in his heart, there is no God."
@insanewarlock666 Excellent grammar! There is nothing logically contradictory about miracles. If you think so, give an argument where you can show that there is a logically contradiction between two propositions.
@leidenhag virgin birth, rising from dead, turning water into wine, deviding see... haven't you read the bible? god himself is infinite, it already contradicts reality, infinity is just an imagination it doesn't exist at all nor omnipotence is possible because it contradicts omniscience :D
@insanewarlock666 You are still just making claims, without backing them up with arguments. You still haven´t shown that, to use your example, the virgin birth, Jesus rising from the dead, or that the belief that God is infinite etc. actually are beliefs that are logically incoherent. You just assume that they are. This is called blind atheistic faith.
@leidenhag I don't believe I know for sure that molecules of water can not suddenly turn into alcohol and I know that virgin girls can not go pregnant and when heart stops pulsating blood brain can only live 10 minutes after that, it's a scientific fact and not a hypothesis or a superstition. do you know what is difference? it's falsifiable! you can check it out :D and not only, you can explain it. science works, look at your computer it works unlike prayers :D
@insanewarlock666 I am not talking about something suddenly turning into something else. I am talking about a divine being that interacts with the world in order to bring something about, for instance the resurrection of Jesus. Now, if your belief is gonna hold water then you must provide some empirical evidence that 1) That God does not exist, or 2) That even if God existed he cannot perform miracles. Otherwise you are just stating your atheistic belief, which lacks empirical support.
@leidenhag I wouldn't bother too much with this guy. His basic formula of argument is 1) God does not exist. 2) Therefore, miracles do not exist. 3) Therefore God does not exist. His arguments have circular reasoning and, as you said earlier, blind atheistic faith written all over them.
@PheonixRise173 "1) God does not exist. 2) Therefore, miracles do not exist. 3) Therefore God does not exist."
have I ever said that? I said that if bible is perfect (without mistakes) god is impossible because omnipotence is a self-contradiction, if you actually watch this video and then read my first comment, which was ignore unfortunately you will get my point :D
@leidenhag 1) atheism is not a belief it's lack of belief 2) It's impossible to prove that GOD doesn't exist 3) however biblical god is already disproved
"2) That even if God existed he cannot perform miracles. "
what? :D what god are you talking about? I don't know any real one so I can't say anything :D
@insanewarlock666 Okay, so you claim that we cannot prove the non-existence of God, and that the biblical God has been disproved. Talk about logical coherence! I have two things to say. 1) If you claim that you cannot prove the non-existence of God, then you cannot assume that miracles are impossible. Simple as that. 2) Please provide some evidence that the God of the bible has been disproved, via empirical studies. So far, this sounds like blind faith.
@leidenhag oh my satan... :D do you know the meaning of the word "HOWEVER"??? if you say "GOD EXISTS" I would not be able to disprove it unless you clarify what do you mean by saying God. god can be deistic, it can be zeus, who ever, even a guy playing a computer game and controlling us at the moment :D it's unfalsifiable HOWEVER (look up in dictionary) if you say that you mean biblical god I can say that I can disprove it using the bible...
@leidenhag "1) If you claim that you cannot prove the non-existence of God, then you cannot assume that miracles are impossible"
why? god => miracles exist? not at all! god is not necessarily supernatural, yea I know it's stupid to call deistic god "GOD" but deists do so... what can I do? I don't define words :D
@leidenhag "Please provide some evidence that the God of the bible has been disproved"
god is omnipotent, that automatically makes him omniscient, doesn't it? it does. now if god is omniscient that means that he knows everything that's gonna happen? doesn't he? so if he knows everything before it would occur that means that he is not able to change the future therefore omnipotence is impossible!
@insanewarlock666 Very ease to counter your argument since it is based on a false premise: Omnipotence does not imply omniscience. It is logically coherent to say that God can create anything (unless it is logically impossible), but that he isn't all knowing. Try studying what the traditional attributes really mean. All powerful does not imply allknowing. I find it funny that you try to use that argument, commenting on this video sin Koukl refutes that kind of reasoning :)
@insanewarlock666 Your attitude is just adorable. Yes, the bible claims that God knows everything. But that is beside the point since you claimed that omnipotence logically follows from omniscience, which is false. They are not the same thing. Have you actually watched the video?! It is fully logical to claim 1) God can do bring everything about that is not logically incoherent (such as a married bachelor) 2) that God does not know everything (negation of omniscience).
@leidenhag second thing. can god create stone so heavy that even he can not lift it? can he create armor so strong that even he can not break it? both answers "yes" or "no" proves that he is not almighty :D even more, easiest on, can he create one dimensional cube? of course not :D one dimensional cube is impossible because cube has 3 dimensions it can not exist in 1 because it would not be a cube anymore, so if he can not do it he is not almighty and he sucks :D
Yoyr comment strikes me as odd. Ddi you even watch the video before posting? God's imnipotence doesn't consist in His ability to do that which is logically impossible. The fact that He cannot create a stone heavy enough for Him to lift is a meaningless point.
@regelemihai argument in the video was that omnipotence means all powerful, all powerful means to be able to do everything that power is capable of doing but I already disproved that argument in my fist comment were I got no respond. I said that "omnipotent = all power" is a fallacy because bible defines god as "almighty" and not as "omnipotent"! almighty = all-mighty, no power is implied! therefore bible IMPLIES THAT GOD CAN CREATE SQUARE CIRCLES AND THAT MAKES HIS EXISTENCE IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! :@
It appears you still don't understand the concept. The Bible has no relevance in this discussion--it wasn't even invoked by the presenter. You're drawing dubious conclusions. At best your claim would show that the Bible is false, not that omnipotence and omniescience are incompatible. Omnipotence is as was presented and omnipotence doesn't require doing that which logically incoherent. Face your mistakes, there's no shame in admitting you're wrong.
@regelemihai but I cant understand why am I wrong, I always admit if I am, shame is not to admit :D YES omnipotence does not require doing things that are logically incoherent because all powerful means to be able to do things that power is capable of! but god is not omnipotent! its a linguistic fallacy! god is almighty!
almighty ≠ omnipotence
might ≠ power
might > power
almighty implies ability to create illogical things as god did rise from the dead walk on the water swim through the land LOL
God is omnipotent. You wanna choose to use other definitions, be my guest and have fun. I dunno how you understand the word "Almighty" stands in contradiction to "omnipotent" when they're just synonyms. Might doesn't outstrip power. Might does not require to do that which is logically impossible either. I dunno out of which orafice you keep pulling these absurdities from.
Your last silly comment proves conclusively that you don't even understand what it means when...
@regelemihai "Might does not require to do that which is logically impossible either"
again and again... if it does NOT imply making illogical things than what are the miracles then? bible DOES define god as one who can do everything EVERYTHING!!!!
Jeremiah 32:27"I am the LORD, the God of all mankind. Is ANYTHING(!!!) too hard for me?"
do you know what is the word "anything"? and do you know that opposite of anything is everything? bible literally explains what does "almighty" mean :D
You obviously don't even know what it means when something is logically coherent and when it's not. This statement says it all. A miracle iss not an impossible thing--creating square circles is. The Bible NEVER says that God can do that which is logically impossible. You have yet to demonstrate that.
Is anything too hard for Him? No, but not in the sense of doing illogical things. That is not how omnipotence is defined. The video addressed that but you..
@regelemihai no it is you who sounds stupid :D you are saying that talking serpents are possible and rods can suddenly turn into snakes, or bushes can burn without consuming... you are ill man!
@regelemihai you have no clue in science if you think that biblical miracles are possible :D you have no idea... you are medieval idiot if you think that joshua could stop the sun :D if jesus raised lazarus and himself from the dead, if jesus could fed thousands of people with few pieces of shit :D square circles are in fact more possible than jesus walking on water or chuck norris swimming through land :D it's more possible for gold to be made of iron than universe in 7 days :D
@insanewarlock666 "you have no clue in science if you think that biblical miracles are possible :D"
Thats like saying that miracles aren't possible. :D Life is statistically, scientifically, a miracle. :D Existance gets deducted down to an impossibility in current quantum physics. :D Neurologists see an individual unique conciousness coming from humans out of thin air. :D
"square circles are in fact more possible than jc walking on water" - Does polly want a cracker? ;-)
@Vlaxitov again you proved my words... if something is not explained yet it doesn't mean that it's a miracle. miracle must necessarily be supernatural. supernatural by it's definition is something that contradicts laws of nature. you are saying that life is a miracle because you don't have a faintest idea what is abiogenesis, you are clueless about biological evolution by natural selection.
"Neurologists see an individual unique conciousness coming from humans out of thin air"
We're talking about logical impossibilties, nimrod. Miracles are not impossible. You don't even know what you're arguing against and you expect to win ina battle of wits armed with nothing but your severe stupidity.
@insanewarlock666 You left another vile, dismissive comment on my page, rendering yourself a young hateful troll, dedicated to blasphemy and agenda posts. The way you continuously personally insult Jesus would make one think you're the believer here. How ironic. You're no atheist, you're openly against Jesus and his message of love.
@SmokiSounds if jesus was only preaching "love" as pacifist hippies did /do I would be a christian by 100% but NO he preaches hate against families as I already quoted him, he preaches hate against homosexuals, against other religions (Exodus22:20) witches, rebellious teenagers (Exodus 21:17-18) he preaches idol worshiping, slavery, torture, rape, sexism, racism... I think that's enough! yes I'm not an atheist as some stupid people decided, CALL ME ANTICHRIST FUCKER!
Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death.
I read it 4 times yesterday and I understood that it definitely means what it says. if you think I'm wrong, prove it come. why aren't you doing that? :D
@insanewarlock666 And there you are again, dissecting OLD Testament, for the OLD society, and not even commandments (because you know that commandments are correct and right), but guidelines, thoughts on societal structure. Pathetic hateful troll. You know very well you got nothing on New Testament, keep struggling. You know very well the core value of Faith is to love those who hate you; you got absolutely nothing to counter that. So you nitpick some quotes from OT. Poor kid.
@insanewarlock666 haha firstly just a side note, Jesus did say any of that it was written by paul and peter in letters. but to get that they support slavery/ sexism is way out of context, slaves back then were people who could not support themselves financially so to survive they would go and work for a rich person and in return, would have a roof over there head and food, they where mostly well looked after it wasn't a racist or sexist thing, also the passage in timothy is paul's opinion
@TheSmlth someone strongly brainwashed you :D read exodus and you will understand true meaning of the word "slave" especially pay attention on 21:20-21
"If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property."
jesus says nothing against this :) everything is quite opposite, he supports it!
@insanewarlock666 why do you keep quoting OT? the verse Mathew 5:17 that you quote i think you should read the very next verse, it says the law won't pass until it is fulfilled, so if Jesus came to fulfill and Jesus isn't here so he must have fulfilled, and seeing as it is thus fulfilled it will pass away, try reading Eph. 2:14,15... and read it in context
@TheSmlth "it says the law won't pass until it is fulfilled"
so you think that everything is fulfilled? :D what about second coming? are you a heretic christian? don't you believe in that crap? LOL or do you think we are already in heaven? you are funny...
Luke 16:17 it is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the smallest point of gods law to be overturned.
@insanewarlock666 i didn't that everything was fulfilled, i really don't know how you got that? i said that Jesus fulfilled the old testament law, nothing to do with the second coming at all, so reply to something i did say, the OLD TESTAMENT law has been fulfilled by Jesus
@TheSmlth "slaves back then were people who could not support themselves"
you are claiming that jesus changed the definition of the word slave, but you have no proof for it so please shut the fuck up! jesus supports slavery therefore he is motherfucking moron and that's enough for rejecting the whole fucking Christianity! if you wanna be a slave none bothers but you have no right to force others to be slaves and what ever disagrees with it is barbarian shit that only works for stone age ppl as u
@insanewarlock666 because you don't understand history let me explain,back then people who had no money,no place to stay, nothing, would offer themselves as work to rich people in return for food,water a place to stay ect. from the rich person. now the verses you quote don't actually support slavery they simply state how a slave or a slave master should act, it doesn't say, go get slaves/slavery is good it says if you have a slave treet him well,also the people who ended slavery where christian
@TheSmlth "it doesn't say, go get slaves/slavery is good"
of course it doesn't says so :D but bible is OK with slavery, beating slave is considered as something usual unlike being an atheist :D it's completely immoral for me. creator of this universe would not be so stupid as yahweh is.
@insanewarlock666 as i said before slavery back then isn't like slavery now or 200 years ago, its wasn't racist sexist or anything like that. the thing wrong with slavery is how people are treated (being force against there will to do work and to get nothing out of it) but the bible say's that if you are a slave ,aster you should TREAT your slaves well, it also says that slaves are freedmen in Christ.
@TheSmlth "slavery back then isn't like slavery now or 200 years ago"
exodus old testament doesn't think so :D you are saying that slave's definition was slave before common era and after common era but when jesus was alive slave's definition was servant? :D first of all that idea sounds ridiculous, second, you have no proof, third... jesus said this to slaves
@TheSmlth "Jesus did say any of that it was written by paul and peter in letters"
can you actually prove that jesus did not write everything himself and paul, luke, judas, magdalena and others were not just fictional characters? or can you prove that jesus really existed? of course no! he is not a historical figure at all! onliest historical figure from that mythological tail is pontius pilate. check out some fact before making arrogantly self-confident claims, 'cause you look ridiculous
@insanewarlock666 yes i can firstly there is 13 000+ manuscripts of pauls writings. which going back to th 5 originals we have, computer analysis shows they are from the same person, so to claim that he doesn't exist is historically ignorant(theres more but im out of room) i think you should look into it more. secondly Pliny The Younger,Tacitus and Josephus all wrote about Jesus you must be mentally handy capped not to bielve what is universally excepted by historians that Jesus once lived
@insanewarlock666 no my friend you are wrong again there is way more evidence for Jesus's existence then for any of the appostles why do you think they call it BC AD, BC being before christ?
@TheSmlth because roman christians decided so in ninth century :D muslims have their own calendar, before ninth century christians also had different calendar... that's stupidest argument ever :D and there is a big difference between evidence and proof.
@insanewarlock666 if Jesus did not live. then how do you explain the thousands of followers, and the 12 apostles who where willing to die for him in the first century ad? the 12 apostles where supposed to have been with Jesus so they would no whether or not He lived and if he didn't why would they lie, to the point of death? People will die for what they believe to be true, but no one will die for what they know to be a lie.
@TheSmlth again there is no proof that they were willing to fucking die :| so I have nothing to explain... pleas let's stop this pointless conversation! you are blind and I can do nothing with it ok?
@insanewarlock666 wrong again my friend, here is a list of REAL people who DID DIE for Jesus Christ within 60 years of his death most of them saw and where with Jesus. all of the 12 disciples excluding Judas , Barnabas in Cyprus, John Mark in Alexandria both in 64 AD, Nero killed and persecuted heaps of Christians between 64-68 AD, Onesiphorus who was martyred either in 65 AD or 81 AD, Luke and Timothy both died around 80-100 AD.
@TheSmlth first of all william lane craig is self deluded idiot. second, all those "historical" proof that jesus existed was based on gospels :D it's circular reasoning... nothing more
@insanewarlock666 prove to me that William Craig is a self deluded idiot you have made an assumption now prove it. secondly prove to me that the bible isn't historicaly correct. there is 13000+transcripts of different parts of the bible some dating back to around 100 AD, these transcripts are 95% textualy pure. lets compare this with Cesare there is 10 manuscripts datin about 1000 yrs after the event, and they are so different we dont know which one is right and we consider the events fact
@TheSmlth "prove to me that William Craig is a self deluded idiot"
not everything that is said should be proven :D is he self deluded? I don't know, if he's not then he is trying to delude others with so called "CHRISTIAN COSMOLOGY" it sounds like stone age quantum physics :D and it represents the highest form of sophism ever :D LOL
"secondly prove to me that the bible isn't historically correct"
LMAO... are you asking it seriously or you are just kidding?
@insanewarlock666 "not everything that is said should be proven" what a load of crap. if you believe that then you could say anything you want about anything, that is completly illogical and still consider it true because, it has no need to be proven, secondly can you prove to me that the bible is historically wrong, what part of the NT do historians prove to be wrong? /watch?v=mc8DYj5DInA&feature=related /watch?v=1uf2x3ZpK40&feature=related put your money where you mouth is prove th NT wrong
@TheSmlth "not everything that is said should be proven"
I said it about William Lane Craig, that he is stupid and it's pointless to prove it :)
"can you prove to me that the bible is historically wrong,"
first of all bible can not be historically correct because it contradicts biology, geology, archeology, paleontology, laws of physics, chemistry, logic and other historical facts :) but if you want me to prove that jesus did not exist you are stupid because I never claimed that...
@insanewarlock666 haha where does the bible contradict, biology, geology, archeology, paleontology, laws of physics, chemistry, logic and other historical facts? give me some verses.
@TheSmlth well, god made and inhabited the universe in 7 days, I hope you know were it's written... it contradicts not only biological evolution and and as a result geology archeology and paleontology, but also astronomy and cosmology :) flood in genesis also contradicts geology... laws of physics? didn't I already comment on this video about that? read other comments... logic? ditto... I knew few historical facts but I can't remember any, sorry, I think everything else is enough :)
@TheSmlth I have already watched that crap and I know what are they talking about. I know that they are lying to delude already brainwashed christians with stupid arguments... that gnostic fucking gospels were written AFTER other gospels, as I remember in second or third century not by eye witness of jesus :) I think you take jesus's existence it very seriously because I don't care about him at all, I just emphasized that there are no PROOF that he was at least 90% real. that's all!
@insanewarlock666 ive asked you 2 times and i will ask again do you think that life has a purpose? you haven't answered this, why? what are you scared of?
@TheSmlth does life has purpose? well if you look at it biologically it's purpose is to survive, take pleasure and advance, but in reality nothing has a purpose, all that is imaginary :) do not think that everything that is imaginary is unnecessary or bad! I don't think so at all... for example: concepts of evil and good, fictional literature, characters and stories, constitutional laws, metaphors, love and hate as well... what else? computer games, art, mathematics, the whole science, etc :)
@insanewarlock666 "but in reality nothing has a purpose" so what you are saying is that everything is pointless. so why do people bother with life then? you say it has no purpose, i assume you believe that there will be a heat death and that there is no afterlife, so we are all going to die anyway, us and all we make so what is the point in living at all? y do people bother puting up with all the pain and crap that happens in life if it is all going to amount to nothing at all? i want an answer
@TheSmlth "so what you are saying is that everything is pointless"
NO. SOMETIMES our imagination is more valuable than reality
"so why do people bother with life then?"
to take a pleasure from it
"so we are all going to die"
exactly that gives purpose to life, immortal life would be purposeless indeed, think about it
why do we bother making good things? because it gives satisfaction not only to others but to ourselves, if our psychology did not evolve that way we wouldnt have a civilization now
@insanewarlock666 so what you are saying is that if i imagine a fairy to exist my claim would sometimes be more valuable then what reality tells me? how does death give purpose to life? what you are saying is that our purpose then is to die.
@TheSmlth "what you are saying is that our purpose then is to die."
ROLF... NO!
"how does death give purpose to life?"
do you actually understand what is infinity? what do you think why people call immortality the greatest punishment ever? /watch?v=dG1JpC5jels watch this video and imagine what is infinity and than try to imagine that YOUR LIFE would be infinite, I hope you'll understand what am I talking about :)
@insanewarlock666 If the purpose of the world is pleasure, self satisfaction(P, SS) than anything that doesn’t bring P or SS is pointless especially suffering. The problem with this is that people who live their lives to have P and SS end up creating suffering and poverty. For example buying an LCD TV for P and SS, you see it was most likely built by people living off les than a dollar a day in poverty stricken areas of the world. This fuels the compny to continue and thus keeps peopl in poverty
@TheSmlth you completely misunderstood my message... it's in our psychology to care about others, everything must be temperate and balanced, otherwise all harmony would be braked and harmony is more valuable and beneficial and therefore it gives more satisfaction than buying an LCD TV as you said :) It's a very stupid position to think that atheists don't believe in god therefore they can murder, rape and torture people for their own pleasure :D
@TheSmlth "Living you life for pleasure and self satisfaction creates suffering"
you are stupid :D it's like saying that computer is a bad thing because you will go blind if you use it...
won't you go blind? of course! than why do you use it? :D oh my gosh I didn't know that you a moron :( I think It's completely pointless to talk with you
@TheSmlth oh again lane craig... :D why most historians don't doubt jesus? well because most historians are christians :D all of them sound like young earth creationists, they are making extraordinary claims without any evidence :D only in the first video craig mentioned few things that were written AFTER gospels :D :D :D your videos are ridiculous!
@insanewarlock666 well firstly your videos where bias, this one isn't at all, there are people from both side of the spectrum and its saying that only idiots don't believe that Jesus once existed. that there is more evidence for Him then most other famous/influential figures of that time. How do you explain that you believe that Jesus didn't ever exist when most historians do believe it? what do you base your belief on if you throw historical evidence out the window that doesn't suit your fancy?
@TheSmlth "How do you explain that you believe that Jesus didn't ever exist when most historians do believe it?"
you have COMPLETELY misunderstood me... where did I say that I BELIEVE in nonexistence of jesus? I do BELIEVE that jesus lived 20 centuries ago, but it's a BELIEF, there is no HISTORICAL PROOF for it! all I'm saying is that he MAY NOT exist... did you see the difference? :D ROFLMFAO sorry but you are damn stupid because you didn't...
@TheSmlth all that they were saying was "oh, there are lots of evidence" but I heard non... I mean in second video. what was said in first video I already disproved by saying that all those "historical proof" were written after gospels and they were written ACCORDING gospels. therefore proving that gospels were true about jesus with them is circular reasoning, as we expect from mr. demagogue number one.
@insanewarlock666 haha firstly just a side note, Jesus didnt say any of that it was written by paul and peter in letters. but to get that they support slavery/ sexism is way out of context, slaves back then were people who could not support themselves financially so to survive they would go and work for a rich person and in return, would have a roof over there head and food, they where mostly well looked after it wasn't a racist or sexist thing, also the passage in timothy is paul's opinion
@insanewarlock666 haha firstly just a side note, Jesus did say any of that it was written by paul and peter in letters. but to get that they support slavery/ sexism is way out of context, slaves back then were people who could not support themselves financially so to survive they would go and work for a rich person and in return, would have a roof over there head and food, they where mostly well looked after it wasn't a racist or sexist thing, also the passage in timothy is paul's opinion
@insanewarlock666 haha firstly just a side note, Jesus didn't say any of that it was written by paul and peter in letters. but to get that they support slavery/ sexism is way out of context, slaves back then were people who could not support themselves financially so to survive they would go and work for a rich person and in return, would have a roof over there head and food, they where mostly well looked after it wasn't a racist or sexist thing, also the passage in timothy is paul's opinion
@insanewarlock666 Love the atheistic rhetoric. First of all God cannot do what is logically impossible. It is time that atheists learn that. So your challenge from the one dimensional cube is silly. About the rock: A rock would have to be infinitely large to defeat an infinite amount of lifting power (which God has). But an infinite rock is a contradiction in terms since material objects cannot be infinite. There cannot be two infinites.
Matthew 5:17-19 "...Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets... not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."
@regelemihai lol first of all there are many other lows beside 10 commandments :D Matthew 5:17-19 "...Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets..."
"This is what you must do when a man rapes a virgin who isn't engaged. When the crime is discovered, the man who had sexual intercourse with her must give the girl's father 11/4 pounds of silver, and she will become his wife. Since he raped her, he can never divorce her as long as he lives"
now what do you think? would you let your daughter to marry a rapist? thats what god commands you to do.
@insanewarlock666 About the biblical passages (CTRL+C and CTRL + V from an atheistic website). First of all I know a lot of exegete´s who proposes solutions to such as this. Second of all, the existence of the God of Christianity does not rest upon the infallibility of the bible. The only thing that counts is what C.S Lewis called "mere Christianity", that God revealed himself in Jesus. So as long as the gospels are reliable, which they are, then the God of Christianity has not been falsified.
@leidenhag "CTRL+C and CTRL + V from an atheistic website" nop! I have my own notes :)
"First of all I know a lot of exegete´s who proposes solutions to such as this"
oh theologians.... HAHAHAHAHA! :D are you kidding? please PLEASE watch this "Dan Dennett - The Evolution of Confusion" it's a long video but you won't regret even if you don't change your mind (that I don't expect to happen LOL)
@insanewarlock666 Well, theologians are the academic experts on the subject. Not Daniel Dennet who is a philosopher :) But you did not respond to my second point that the God of Christianity do not rest on the belief that the bible is infallible. Which is the most important point. Even if there are contradictions in the old testament and some of the writings in the new testament, such as Corinthians, Ecclesians etc. the gospels are the only important thing for a Christian.
@insanewarlock666 So to disproce the existence of the God of Christianity, you have to show that Jesus wasn't who he claimed to be, or that Jesus didn't exist at all. Arguing from supposedly contradictions in OT will not establish the non-existence of the God of Christianity.
@leidenhag "Christianity do not rest on the belief that the bible is infallible"
you only can disprove insignificant contradictions with that, like the day when JC was crucified, or number of ppl who saw him after resurrection but not a big contradictions such as "what is love"
Exodus 21:20 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
@insanewarlock666 Your are still quoting from OT, and I do not think that this discussion leads anywhere, since you still haven't been able to show that my original comment is incorrect: that P is rationally entitled to adopt the belief in the existence of God, if that belief does not contradict an y known fact or empirical discovery . You seem only interested in quoting from OT, which doesn't undermine the God of Christianity. Goodbye.
@insanewarlock666 OT is for the old society, where you yourself would be ok with it. There are only 10 *commandments*, do you understand. Each one of them is based on love. Jesus came around to give the New Testament of "loving your enemy", and suffered on the cross for everything humanity has done bad so far, giving it a clean slot with the New Testament. Don't you understand?...
"If any man come to me, and HATE not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, HE CANNOT BE MY DISCIPLE."
hate your family and love your enemy, it makes perfect sense :D
@SmokiSounds "When you're taught to love everyone, to love your enemies, then what value does that place on love?” Marilyn Manson
god is love? what kind of? if thats what is love then I hate love! if that's good, then I prefer to be evil and not to confuse love with hate! jesus was zombie gay who's mother was a virgin bitch and his father was he himself! :D they had an incest or something :D he fucked his mother before he was born :D absurdity makes people to believe that bible is not man made
@insanewarlock666 You're probably a 14 year old idiot. I'm sorry. There's no discussion with a child who's name is "insanewarlock666". There's nothing to be expected from you but filth.
"There's nothing to be expected from you but filth."
2 Corinthians 5:7
We Walk By Faith, Not By SIGHT!!!
YOU ARE HYPOCRITE or non-christin :D
"You're probably a 14 year old idiot."
perfect cop out! bible is HATE and it preaches DESTRUCTION, MISERY, SLAVERY AND IDIOCY and you are so brainwashed that you can't even handle a light blasphemy... you're a weak person and a loser :D jesus christ SODOMIZED!!!
@insanewarlock666 I'm not copping out of anything. Your tone and google quotes are of a third-grader, standard agenda bullshit, and you know it yourself. You keep struggling with your lame argument about the Old Testament, when modern Christianity follows Jesus' New Testament like He himself said. You're ridiculous, you have no escape routes. Bible TALKS about destruction, misery, slavery and IDIOTS like you, and gives answers about them. LMAO. You're the real loser here, wannabe-atheist.
@SmokiSounds all I see in your comments is escaping from my questions... you'd better answer why should jesus command you to love your enemy and at the same time command to hate your family, why should you say to me this "There's nothing to be expected from you but filth." when bible asks YOU to walk by faith and not by sight? why should you bother where do I get quotes if you could answer to my questions? I have already said I DON'T USE GOOGLE I WAS MAKING MY OWN NOTES WHILE READING DAMN BIBLE!
@SmokiSounds you are self deluded who does not want to accept that god is bullshit, you are running from yourself not from my questions can't you realize that? you obviously lost in a debate with me and then you started saying things like "I'm sorry. There's no discussion with a child who's name is insanewarlock666" there is no discussion with person who's mind is completely blocked to grasp reality! you are mentally damaged by religion and I can do nothing with it SORRY that I'm not a psychic!
"If any man come to me, and HATE not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, HE CANNOT BE MY DISCIPLE.""
@SmokiSounds wait wait are you a christian? If yes then I'm confused about your messages. You call "insanewarlock666" a loser etc. That is not how a christian shall talk to another person.
@insanewarlock666 1) Agnosticism is lack of belief. People like you lie and take an agnositic's position so that it gets you out of having to prove the positive claim you're actually making. If you say the god of the bible has been disproved, you're going to have to provide hard evidence for that, not opinions.
You're computer is just a toy that accomodates human behavior. Science works?, so do my bowels when I sit on a toilet. Subjective value means nothing and your argumens are terribad.
Thanks for helping me sort these things out. I used to be convinced by statements like those that Dawkins makes. I'm fairly new to philosophy. I didn't know it could be so fascinating. Keep up the great work, Greg.
arphaxadish 3 weeks ago
God is perfectly holy and yet drowns his own children? (see the flood) :D I think we should let some of these mothers (Like Andrea Yates) go free and walk among others because, afterall, she killed her kids to save them, too. She was just following God's "perfect example".
This guy is spinning his own wheels...and he's stuck.
mblackchurch 1 month ago
Haha, all these theists try to refute Dawkins instead of trying to prove their god.
If you want to shut Dawkins up, PROVE GOD!!
rossini55 2 months ago
@rossini55 Let me see if I have this correct. You are saying you read dawkins book, and you are willing to lay your reputation as an intellectual on the line by saying you think it was a serious and scholarly effort?
As an atheist, you are making a truth claim (stop me if you're getting confused). So, support your truth claim with proof.
And please, I beg you, be smart in your response - if that is not possible then just color and don't reply at all - thanks
mollkatless 1 month ago
@mollkatless I am not an 'intellectual' and dont claim to be. I am a man-in-the-street with common sense. His God Delusion book isnt a deep philosophical tome covering every aspect, but is easily accessible to and average Joe like me, and covers the main arguments. What truth claim did I make? I am a little confused by that. I disbelieve claims that theists say are true. I dont have burden of proof. Atheism is the null hypothesis. Not sure if this is 'smart' answer, but its clear
rossini55 1 month ago
@mollkatless I mean you shouldnt have to be a Dr in philosophy or theology to be able to see that god claims have no evidence. That is intellecual elitism.You dont believe in Zeus but you dont have to read the Iliad or the oddesy or be proficient in Greek history. You dont have to be an expert of fairies to lack belief in them. You may see these arguments as unsophisticated or cliched, but that is because they are perfectly valid.
rossini55 1 month ago
@mollkatless Some books relating to the atheist position can go into lots of philosophical detail but they are so bloody boring. Atheists are mainly trying to refute the unprovable and undisprovable.Just try writing a book to prove your lack of belief in unicorns is 'accurate and correct' and when the 'unicorn-believers' say you are making a 'truth-claim' you will see where the burden of proof lies.
rossini55 1 month ago
you seem honest, but have you have given this subject an honest days work? What type of evidence are you seeking? Do you want to haul God into a Lab & run the standard tests?
As an atheist, you make the claim that God does not exist, what evidence supports that position? Don't give me a littany of complaints against the bible. There is a vid of a countryman of yours Dr. Peter Atkins debating William Lane Craig-this may provide you some of what you seek-curious to know your thoughts on it
mollkatless 1 month ago
@mollkatless "What type of evidence are you seeking?"
Dunno, what have you got?!
I am sure an all powerful god would know what it would take to convince me. A new planet appearing instantly. A man appearing from clay and a woman from his rib, or animals appearing out of thin air would be a start. Someone being raised from the dead. You would still have then to prove it was done by a god, let alone the one of the bible.
rossini55 1 week ago
@mollkatless Anyway you are shifting the burden of proof. Theists make the extraordinary claim that a god exists, and we reject those claims as unsupported by any evidence and therefore unproven. It is not for skeptics to disprove it, it is for you to prove it.
ie I have an invisible magic dragon in my garage that controls the weather, do you believe me? No? Well you cant prove I dont have one. And what about all this weather we have been having recently?
rossini55 1 week ago
thanks for the laughs
MonounsaturatedBliss 5 months ago
@MonounsaturatedBliss Yeah same here. Dawkins always gives me laughs :D
REDRAGON12345 5 months ago
science created atheists
Mumtahin 5 months ago
86 people LIKE this?
prashantsahu07 6 months ago
85 idiots agree with this moron
macros247 6 months ago
For fucks sake. There is not one shred of evidence to prove god exists or does not exist. Even if there is (my opinion is negligible) It's impossible to convince people that already have a firm belief. Both ends of the spectrum are tunnel visioned. Atheists and Theists are just on opposite end of the same curve. A curve we can describe as the journey to knowledge-life-put aside our differences, stop bickering like 6 year olds and let's work together in developing the human race & solving prob.
pacrat90 7 months ago
@pacrat90 Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. There's no reason to believe there's an all-powerful yet invisible God out there, so let's not pretend that whether he is or isn't there is a 50-50 shot.
Scythe314 6 months ago
Dawkins has a smart mind but not a smart pride
slyer72 7 months ago
Your answer eats itself. There are dozens of examples in the Bible of Yahweh changing his mind.
CommitToFocus 7 months ago
pt/2 It thus follows that having faith or belief in a life after death that is offered but cannot be given by Greg's god would be just as logically incoherent, it is like believing in a circular square...absurd.
So following Greg's advice we see that Christian notions of god are contradictory and thus false
milsimaustralia 10 months ago
Life after death is itself an incoherent logic, by definition contradictory. Death by definition is the absence of life. How should one accept logically that in a state of death one can have life. Greg assumes God is unable to use his power to perform feats of logical incoherence, ie God can't make a "circular square". Greg shows us that God's abilities do not extend to creating logically incoherent states. So it follows that there is no life after death maintained by Greg's God. Thanks Greg..
milsimaustralia 10 months ago
@milsimaustralia I think when it comes to life after death, he would just respond by saying that is just an incoherent phrase. It could be re worded to say "spiritual life after physical death." Now don't get me wrong, this is not at all what I believe, I'm just trying to point out that there is a perhaps not sound (one would have to prove the existence of the soul), but certainly logical response to your objection.
Jayoung1000 7 months ago
Koukl dances around with multiple disciplines. Anything he can find to support his argument. If it doesn't work logically, he will make it work semantically, etc.. eg. he defines 'perfection' through semantic distortion so as not to include its own logical paradox and yet he claims a perfect God is subject to the laws of logic.
He plays word games designed to befuddle those who disagree with his foundational belief system and to encourage a sense of intellectual credibility in those that do.
Hufflewaffle 1 year ago
Coming from an atheist, I agree that Dawkin's comment is poor when stated literally, but it does raise interesting questions, and possibly contradictions, within the theology of monotheism.
CiaranLuke 1 year ago
I thought u were an atheist..? Aren't you the one that read hatemails saying that you will 'burn in hell' etc?
Anyway, to say something OT, you're making many good points here. Thanks for the video! :)
LarsTheHonest 1 year ago
Isn't the mental lightweight Richard Dawkins' 15 minutes up yet...
....next stupid atheist....
TheXiantruth 1 year ago
Genesis 6:6 The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
regret - v
1. to feel sorry, repentant, or upset about
How could all "all-knowing" God feel sorrow or regret a decision he has made?
Certainly he saw it coming before he ever made the decision, right?
lemmy555 1 year ago
@lemmy555 only regrets? he is afraid in Genesis 3:22-23 and 11:4-6 he tempted Abraham in Genesis 22:1 but it contradicts James 1:13 "GOD NEVER TEMPTS" he creates stars after creating grass on the earth LOL the whole genesis is fail :D
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 i dont know how you got afraid from those texts it doesn't even say that, and he tested, Abraham not tempted they are two completely different things, tell me do you believe that humans have a purpose?
TheSmlth 1 year ago
actually the definition of the word "omnipotence" was changed multiple times by believers, to satisfy the logic of an omnipotent god. it was changed to something WEAKER than absolute omnipotence!! haahaha
nickallah 1 year ago
@nickallah I can't get why should theologians exist at all if bible is perfect? was god not able to write a proper understandable book if he is omnipotent? did he not want to create understandable book? theology seems blasphemous :D it violates god's omnipotence most of all...
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 my friend, you deserve the most thumbs up for all your comments, but on a channel like this with majority bible fuckers, the thumbs up were placed on comments against yours. to me thats just as good lol and yeah, genetic freaks? he mustve done that on purpose if hes omnipotent. omnipotent enough to stop the holocaust? or immoral? this greg kroul character brings nothing new to the table. either hes not omnipotent or not moral.
nickallah 1 year ago
so omnipotent still means limited. god is limited yet all powerful. hmmm... infinite power with a limit gotcha
nickallah 1 year ago
I think it's funny when Christians dismiss the baby killing, genocidal acts of god from the OT and only accept the morals and eternal torment teachings of Jesus of the NT....then they turn around and say they are the same person. At least when you died in the OT, that god didn't harass you anymore.
mrjholland1 1 year ago
Richard Dawkins is a "superior intellect?" You are too polite... describe it how it is! :)
Otherwise I agree with the video.
YodatheJedi12 1 year ago
argument and anger lies in the bosom of fools. Dawkins' wants to explain way explanation itself...no wonder he's so miserable. to see through everything is not to see at all.
lightbrownpoop 1 year ago
now if god can't create/make illogical things how could he perform miracles that contradict reality more than just square circles and one dimensional cubes or golden iron :D XXL FAIL... you are an idiot as all christians! you are trying to make excuses for ancient jewish shit! my favorite verse from that shit:
Matthew 7:3 "first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye motherfucker" :D yep, jesus did say that last word...
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
You are using abstract objects which really cannot be changed, if they did they would completely lose their defintion and value and become something else. I think that is why no one has bothered to reply to your stupid comment. Heres my favourite verse: Psalm 14:1 'Only a fool says in his heart, there is no God."
necr0sys 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 God can certainly create illogical things... atheists.
TooManyTights 1 year ago 20
@TooManyTights that proves that he doesn't exist... christians.
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 Excellent grammar! There is nothing logically contradictory about miracles. If you think so, give an argument where you can show that there is a logically contradiction between two propositions.
leidenhag 1 year ago
@leidenhag virgin birth, rising from dead, turning water into wine, deviding see... haven't you read the bible? god himself is infinite, it already contradicts reality, infinity is just an imagination it doesn't exist at all nor omnipotence is possible because it contradicts omniscience :D
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 You are still just making claims, without backing them up with arguments. You still haven´t shown that, to use your example, the virgin birth, Jesus rising from the dead, or that the belief that God is infinite etc. actually are beliefs that are logically incoherent. You just assume that they are. This is called blind atheistic faith.
leidenhag 1 year ago
@leidenhag I don't believe I know for sure that molecules of water can not suddenly turn into alcohol and I know that virgin girls can not go pregnant and when heart stops pulsating blood brain can only live 10 minutes after that, it's a scientific fact and not a hypothesis or a superstition. do you know what is difference? it's falsifiable! you can check it out :D and not only, you can explain it. science works, look at your computer it works unlike prayers :D
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 I am not talking about something suddenly turning into something else. I am talking about a divine being that interacts with the world in order to bring something about, for instance the resurrection of Jesus. Now, if your belief is gonna hold water then you must provide some empirical evidence that 1) That God does not exist, or 2) That even if God existed he cannot perform miracles. Otherwise you are just stating your atheistic belief, which lacks empirical support.
leidenhag 1 year ago
@leidenhag I wouldn't bother too much with this guy. His basic formula of argument is 1) God does not exist. 2) Therefore, miracles do not exist. 3) Therefore God does not exist. His arguments have circular reasoning and, as you said earlier, blind atheistic faith written all over them.
PheonixRise173 1 year ago
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@PheonixRise173 "1) God does not exist. 2) Therefore, miracles do not exist. 3) Therefore God does not exist."
have I ever said that? I said that if bible is perfect (without mistakes) god is impossible because omnipotence is a self-contradiction, if you actually watch this video and then read my first comment, which was ignore unfortunately you will get my point :D
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@leidenhag 1) atheism is not a belief it's lack of belief 2) It's impossible to prove that GOD doesn't exist 3) however biblical god is already disproved
"2) That even if God existed he cannot perform miracles. "
what? :D what god are you talking about? I don't know any real one so I can't say anything :D
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 Okay, so you claim that we cannot prove the non-existence of God, and that the biblical God has been disproved. Talk about logical coherence! I have two things to say. 1) If you claim that you cannot prove the non-existence of God, then you cannot assume that miracles are impossible. Simple as that. 2) Please provide some evidence that the God of the bible has been disproved, via empirical studies. So far, this sounds like blind faith.
leidenhag 1 year ago
@leidenhag oh my satan... :D do you know the meaning of the word "HOWEVER"??? if you say "GOD EXISTS" I would not be able to disprove it unless you clarify what do you mean by saying God. god can be deistic, it can be zeus, who ever, even a guy playing a computer game and controlling us at the moment :D it's unfalsifiable HOWEVER (look up in dictionary) if you say that you mean biblical god I can say that I can disprove it using the bible...
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
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@leidenhag "1) If you claim that you cannot prove the non-existence of God, then you cannot assume that miracles are impossible"
why? god => miracles exist? not at all! god is not necessarily supernatural, yea I know it's stupid to call deistic god "GOD" but deists do so... what can I do? I don't define words :D
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@leidenhag "Please provide some evidence that the God of the bible has been disproved"
god is omnipotent, that automatically makes him omniscient, doesn't it? it does. now if god is omniscient that means that he knows everything that's gonna happen? doesn't he? so if he knows everything before it would occur that means that he is not able to change the future therefore omnipotence is impossible!
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 Very ease to counter your argument since it is based on a false premise: Omnipotence does not imply omniscience. It is logically coherent to say that God can create anything (unless it is logically impossible), but that he isn't all knowing. Try studying what the traditional attributes really mean. All powerful does not imply allknowing. I find it funny that you try to use that argument, commenting on this video sin Koukl refutes that kind of reasoning :)
leidenhag 1 year ago
@leidenhag
Jeremiah 32:27"I am the LORD, the God of all mankind.
Is anything too hard for me?"
Isaiah 46:10From the beginning I revealed the end. From long
ago I told you things that had not yet happened,
saying, "My plan will stand, and I'll do everything
I intended to do."
Jeremiah 1:5"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,"
god knows everything! bible says it and omnipotence implies it too, if not try to disprove it :D come on, I'm waiting
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 Your attitude is just adorable. Yes, the bible claims that God knows everything. But that is beside the point since you claimed that omnipotence logically follows from omniscience, which is false. They are not the same thing. Have you actually watched the video?! It is fully logical to claim 1) God can do bring everything about that is not logically incoherent (such as a married bachelor) 2) that God does not know everything (negation of omniscience).
leidenhag 1 year ago
@leidenhag second thing. can god create stone so heavy that even he can not lift it? can he create armor so strong that even he can not break it? both answers "yes" or "no" proves that he is not almighty :D even more, easiest on, can he create one dimensional cube? of course not :D one dimensional cube is impossible because cube has 3 dimensions it can not exist in 1 because it would not be a cube anymore, so if he can not do it he is not almighty and he sucks :D
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666
Yoyr comment strikes me as odd. Ddi you even watch the video before posting? God's imnipotence doesn't consist in His ability to do that which is logically impossible. The fact that He cannot create a stone heavy enough for Him to lift is a meaningless point.
regelemihai 1 year ago
@regelemihai argument in the video was that omnipotence means all powerful, all powerful means to be able to do everything that power is capable of doing but I already disproved that argument in my fist comment were I got no respond. I said that "omnipotent = all power" is a fallacy because bible defines god as "almighty" and not as "omnipotent"! almighty = all-mighty, no power is implied! therefore bible IMPLIES THAT GOD CAN CREATE SQUARE CIRCLES AND THAT MAKES HIS EXISTENCE IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! :@
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666
It appears you still don't understand the concept. The Bible has no relevance in this discussion--it wasn't even invoked by the presenter. You're drawing dubious conclusions. At best your claim would show that the Bible is false, not that omnipotence and omniescience are incompatible. Omnipotence is as was presented and omnipotence doesn't require doing that which logically incoherent. Face your mistakes, there's no shame in admitting you're wrong.
regelemihai 1 year ago
@regelemihai but I cant understand why am I wrong, I always admit if I am, shame is not to admit :D YES omnipotence does not require doing things that are logically incoherent because all powerful means to be able to do things that power is capable of! but god is not omnipotent! its a linguistic fallacy! god is almighty!
almighty ≠ omnipotence
might ≠ power
might > power
almighty implies ability to create illogical things as god did rise from the dead walk on the water swim through the land LOL
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666
God is omnipotent. You wanna choose to use other definitions, be my guest and have fun. I dunno how you understand the word "Almighty" stands in contradiction to "omnipotent" when they're just synonyms. Might doesn't outstrip power. Might does not require to do that which is logically impossible either. I dunno out of which orafice you keep pulling these absurdities from.
Your last silly comment proves conclusively that you don't even understand what it means when...
regelemihai 1 year ago
...something is logically incoherent.
You lose. I say you try to move on and find another video you can troll.
regelemihai 1 year ago
@regelemihai "Might does not require to do that which is logically impossible either"
again and again... if it does NOT imply making illogical things than what are the miracles then? bible DOES define god as one who can do everything EVERYTHING!!!!
Jeremiah 32:27"I am the LORD, the God of all mankind. Is ANYTHING(!!!) too hard for me?"
do you know what is the word "anything"? and do you know that opposite of anything is everything? bible literally explains what does "almighty" mean :D
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
"than what are the miracles then?"
You obviously don't even know what it means when something is logically coherent and when it's not. This statement says it all. A miracle iss not an impossible thing--creating square circles is. The Bible NEVER says that God can do that which is logically impossible. You have yet to demonstrate that.
Is anything too hard for Him? No, but not in the sense of doing illogical things. That is not how omnipotence is defined. The video addressed that but you..
regelemihai 1 year ago
...just repeat the same fallacy that Koukl tries to preempt in the video. It's almost like you're trying to sound stupid.
regelemihai 1 year ago
@regelemihai no it is you who sounds stupid :D you are saying that talking serpents are possible and rods can suddenly turn into snakes, or bushes can burn without consuming... you are ill man!
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@regelemihai you have no clue in science if you think that biblical miracles are possible :D you have no idea... you are medieval idiot if you think that joshua could stop the sun :D if jesus raised lazarus and himself from the dead, if jesus could fed thousands of people with few pieces of shit :D square circles are in fact more possible than jesus walking on water or chuck norris swimming through land :D it's more possible for gold to be made of iron than universe in 7 days :D
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 "you have no clue in science if you think that biblical miracles are possible :D"
Thats like saying that miracles aren't possible. :D Life is statistically, scientifically, a miracle. :D Existance gets deducted down to an impossibility in current quantum physics. :D Neurologists see an individual unique conciousness coming from humans out of thin air. :D
"square circles are in fact more possible than jc walking on water" - Does polly want a cracker? ;-)
Vlaxitov 1 year ago
@Vlaxitov again you proved my words... if something is not explained yet it doesn't mean that it's a miracle. miracle must necessarily be supernatural. supernatural by it's definition is something that contradicts laws of nature. you are saying that life is a miracle because you don't have a faintest idea what is abiogenesis, you are clueless about biological evolution by natural selection.
"Neurologists see an individual unique conciousness coming from humans out of thin air"
what do you mean?
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666
We're talking about logical impossibilties, nimrod. Miracles are not impossible. You don't even know what you're arguing against and you expect to win ina battle of wits armed with nothing but your severe stupidity.
Stick to the issue.
regelemihai 1 year ago
@regelemihai "Miracles are not impossible."
prove it :D
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 You left another vile, dismissive comment on my page, rendering yourself a young hateful troll, dedicated to blasphemy and agenda posts. The way you continuously personally insult Jesus would make one think you're the believer here. How ironic. You're no atheist, you're openly against Jesus and his message of love.
SmokiSounds 1 year ago
@SmokiSounds if jesus was only preaching "love" as pacifist hippies did /do I would be a christian by 100% but NO he preaches hate against families as I already quoted him, he preaches hate against homosexuals, against other religions (Exodus22:20) witches, rebellious teenagers (Exodus 21:17-18) he preaches idol worshiping, slavery, torture, rape, sexism, racism... I think that's enough! yes I'm not an atheist as some stupid people decided, CALL ME ANTICHRIST FUCKER!
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 All that is out of context, none of that Jesus preached. You're an idiot.
SmokiSounds 1 year ago
@SmokiSounds out of context? well then put it in a context so that everyone could see the real meaning of it
Exodus 21:17
Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death.
I read it 4 times yesterday and I understood that it definitely means what it says. if you think I'm wrong, prove it come. why aren't you doing that? :D
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 And there you are again, dissecting OLD Testament, for the OLD society, and not even commandments (because you know that commandments are correct and right), but guidelines, thoughts on societal structure. Pathetic hateful troll. You know very well you got nothing on New Testament, keep struggling. You know very well the core value of Faith is to love those who hate you; you got absolutely nothing to counter that. So you nitpick some quotes from OT. Poor kid.
SmokiSounds 1 year ago
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insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@SmokiSounds "And there you are again, dissecting OLD Testament"
so you are suggesting that Matthew 5:17 was ticked out of context by me? if you're not then explain it
"Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill."
I have already said many things against new testament but all you are doing is ignoring my words and calling me troll :D
Jesus supports slavery 1 Peter 2:18 and Ephesians 6:5 he preaches sexism 1 Timothy 2:12
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 haha firstly just a side note, Jesus did say any of that it was written by paul and peter in letters. but to get that they support slavery/ sexism is way out of context, slaves back then were people who could not support themselves financially so to survive they would go and work for a rich person and in return, would have a roof over there head and food, they where mostly well looked after it wasn't a racist or sexist thing, also the passage in timothy is paul's opinion
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth someone strongly brainwashed you :D read exodus and you will understand true meaning of the word "slave" especially pay attention on 21:20-21
"If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property."
jesus says nothing against this :) everything is quite opposite, he supports it!
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 why do you keep quoting OT? the verse Mathew 5:17 that you quote i think you should read the very next verse, it says the law won't pass until it is fulfilled, so if Jesus came to fulfill and Jesus isn't here so he must have fulfilled, and seeing as it is thus fulfilled it will pass away, try reading Eph. 2:14,15... and read it in context
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth "it says the law won't pass until it is fulfilled"
so you think that everything is fulfilled? :D what about second coming? are you a heretic christian? don't you believe in that crap? LOL or do you think we are already in heaven? you are funny...
Luke 16:17 it is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the smallest point of gods law to be overturned.
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 i didn't that everything was fulfilled, i really don't know how you got that? i said that Jesus fulfilled the old testament law, nothing to do with the second coming at all, so reply to something i did say, the OLD TESTAMENT law has been fulfilled by Jesus
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth "slaves back then were people who could not support themselves"
you are claiming that jesus changed the definition of the word slave, but you have no proof for it so please shut the fuck up! jesus supports slavery therefore he is motherfucking moron and that's enough for rejecting the whole fucking Christianity! if you wanna be a slave none bothers but you have no right to force others to be slaves and what ever disagrees with it is barbarian shit that only works for stone age ppl as u
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 because you don't understand history let me explain,back then people who had no money,no place to stay, nothing, would offer themselves as work to rich people in return for food,water a place to stay ect. from the rich person. now the verses you quote don't actually support slavery they simply state how a slave or a slave master should act, it doesn't say, go get slaves/slavery is good it says if you have a slave treet him well,also the people who ended slavery where christian
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth "it doesn't say, go get slaves/slavery is good"
of course it doesn't says so :D but bible is OK with slavery, beating slave is considered as something usual unlike being an atheist :D it's completely immoral for me. creator of this universe would not be so stupid as yahweh is.
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 as i said before slavery back then isn't like slavery now or 200 years ago, its wasn't racist sexist or anything like that. the thing wrong with slavery is how people are treated (being force against there will to do work and to get nothing out of it) but the bible say's that if you are a slave ,aster you should TREAT your slaves well, it also says that slaves are freedmen in Christ.
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth "slavery back then isn't like slavery now or 200 years ago"
exodus old testament doesn't think so :D you are saying that slave's definition was slave before common era and after common era but when jesus was alive slave's definition was servant? :D first of all that idea sounds ridiculous, second, you have no proof, third... jesus said this to slaves
1 Peter 2:18
Obey not only those owners who are good and kind, but also those who are unfair.
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@TheSmlth "Jesus did say any of that it was written by paul and peter in letters"
can you actually prove that jesus did not write everything himself and paul, luke, judas, magdalena and others were not just fictional characters? or can you prove that jesus really existed? of course no! he is not a historical figure at all! onliest historical figure from that mythological tail is pontius pilate. check out some fact before making arrogantly self-confident claims, 'cause you look ridiculous
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 yes i can firstly there is 13 000+ manuscripts of pauls writings. which going back to th 5 originals we have, computer analysis shows they are from the same person, so to claim that he doesn't exist is historically ignorant(theres more but im out of room) i think you should look into it more. secondly Pliny The Younger,Tacitus and Josephus all wrote about Jesus you must be mentally handy capped not to bielve what is universally excepted by historians that Jesus once lived
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth yea, I was wrong about Paul and few other apostles but still there is not proof that jesus existed ;)
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 no my friend you are wrong again there is way more evidence for Jesus's existence then for any of the appostles why do you think they call it BC AD, BC being before christ?
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth because roman christians decided so in ninth century :D muslims have their own calendar, before ninth century christians also had different calendar... that's stupidest argument ever :D and there is a big difference between evidence and proof.
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 if Jesus did not live. then how do you explain the thousands of followers, and the 12 apostles who where willing to die for him in the first century ad? the 12 apostles where supposed to have been with Jesus so they would no whether or not He lived and if he didn't why would they lie, to the point of death? People will die for what they believe to be true, but no one will die for what they know to be a lie.
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth again there is no proof that they were willing to fucking die :| so I have nothing to explain... pleas let's stop this pointless conversation! you are blind and I can do nothing with it ok?
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 wrong again my friend, here is a list of REAL people who DID DIE for Jesus Christ within 60 years of his death most of them saw and where with Jesus. all of the 12 disciples excluding Judas , Barnabas in Cyprus, John Mark in Alexandria both in 64 AD, Nero killed and persecuted heaps of Christians between 64-68 AD, Onesiphorus who was martyred either in 65 AD or 81 AD, Luke and Timothy both died around 80-100 AD.
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth /watch?v=Du5wJWlHAVI
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 /watch?v=6N8z7ab9EDc&feature=related
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth first of all william lane craig is self deluded idiot. second, all those "historical" proof that jesus existed was based on gospels :D it's circular reasoning... nothing more
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 prove to me that William Craig is a self deluded idiot you have made an assumption now prove it. secondly prove to me that the bible isn't historicaly correct. there is 13000+transcripts of different parts of the bible some dating back to around 100 AD, these transcripts are 95% textualy pure. lets compare this with Cesare there is 10 manuscripts datin about 1000 yrs after the event, and they are so different we dont know which one is right and we consider the events fact
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth "prove to me that William Craig is a self deluded idiot"
not everything that is said should be proven :D is he self deluded? I don't know, if he's not then he is trying to delude others with so called "CHRISTIAN COSMOLOGY" it sounds like stone age quantum physics :D and it represents the highest form of sophism ever :D LOL
"secondly prove to me that the bible isn't historically correct"
LMAO... are you asking it seriously or you are just kidding?
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 "not everything that is said should be proven" what a load of crap. if you believe that then you could say anything you want about anything, that is completly illogical and still consider it true because, it has no need to be proven, secondly can you prove to me that the bible is historically wrong, what part of the NT do historians prove to be wrong? /watch?v=mc8DYj5DInA&feature=related /watch?v=1uf2x3ZpK40&feature=related put your money where you mouth is prove th NT wrong
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth "not everything that is said should be proven"
I said it about William Lane Craig, that he is stupid and it's pointless to prove it :)
"can you prove to me that the bible is historically wrong,"
first of all bible can not be historically correct because it contradicts biology, geology, archeology, paleontology, laws of physics, chemistry, logic and other historical facts :) but if you want me to prove that jesus did not exist you are stupid because I never claimed that...
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 haha where does the bible contradict, biology, geology, archeology, paleontology, laws of physics, chemistry, logic and other historical facts? give me some verses.
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth well, god made and inhabited the universe in 7 days, I hope you know were it's written... it contradicts not only biological evolution and and as a result geology archeology and paleontology, but also astronomy and cosmology :) flood in genesis also contradicts geology... laws of physics? didn't I already comment on this video about that? read other comments... logic? ditto... I knew few historical facts but I can't remember any, sorry, I think everything else is enough :)
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 /watch?v=T5d0NFskm2s&feature=related
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth I have already watched that crap and I know what are they talking about. I know that they are lying to delude already brainwashed christians with stupid arguments... that gnostic fucking gospels were written AFTER other gospels, as I remember in second or third century not by eye witness of jesus :) I think you take jesus's existence it very seriously because I don't care about him at all, I just emphasized that there are no PROOF that he was at least 90% real. that's all!
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 ive asked you 2 times and i will ask again do you think that life has a purpose? you haven't answered this, why? what are you scared of?
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth does life has purpose? well if you look at it biologically it's purpose is to survive, take pleasure and advance, but in reality nothing has a purpose, all that is imaginary :) do not think that everything that is imaginary is unnecessary or bad! I don't think so at all... for example: concepts of evil and good, fictional literature, characters and stories, constitutional laws, metaphors, love and hate as well... what else? computer games, art, mathematics, the whole science, etc :)
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 "but in reality nothing has a purpose" so what you are saying is that everything is pointless. so why do people bother with life then? you say it has no purpose, i assume you believe that there will be a heat death and that there is no afterlife, so we are all going to die anyway, us and all we make so what is the point in living at all? y do people bother puting up with all the pain and crap that happens in life if it is all going to amount to nothing at all? i want an answer
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth "so what you are saying is that everything is pointless"
NO. SOMETIMES our imagination is more valuable than reality
"so why do people bother with life then?"
to take a pleasure from it
"so we are all going to die"
exactly that gives purpose to life, immortal life would be purposeless indeed, think about it
why do we bother making good things? because it gives satisfaction not only to others but to ourselves, if our psychology did not evolve that way we wouldnt have a civilization now
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 so what you are saying is that if i imagine a fairy to exist my claim would sometimes be more valuable then what reality tells me? how does death give purpose to life? what you are saying is that our purpose then is to die.
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth "what you are saying is that our purpose then is to die."
ROLF... NO!
"how does death give purpose to life?"
do you actually understand what is infinity? what do you think why people call immortality the greatest punishment ever? /watch?v=dG1JpC5jels watch this video and imagine what is infinity and than try to imagine that YOUR LIFE would be infinite, I hope you'll understand what am I talking about :)
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 If the purpose of the world is pleasure, self satisfaction(P, SS) than anything that doesn’t bring P or SS is pointless especially suffering. The problem with this is that people who live their lives to have P and SS end up creating suffering and poverty. For example buying an LCD TV for P and SS, you see it was most likely built by people living off les than a dollar a day in poverty stricken areas of the world. This fuels the compny to continue and thus keeps peopl in poverty
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth you completely misunderstood my message... it's in our psychology to care about others, everything must be temperate and balanced, otherwise all harmony would be braked and harmony is more valuable and beneficial and therefore it gives more satisfaction than buying an LCD TV as you said :) It's a very stupid position to think that atheists don't believe in god therefore they can murder, rape and torture people for their own pleasure :D
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 so 1.If the purpose of the world is pleasure, self satisfaction
2.Than anything that doesn’t bring pleasure, self satisfaction
3.Living you life for pleasure and self satisfaction creates suffering.
4. Thus living your life for yourself is pointless and can’t be the purpose of life because it is self contradictory.
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth "Living you life for pleasure and self satisfaction creates suffering"
you are stupid :D it's like saying that computer is a bad thing because you will go blind if you use it...
won't you go blind? of course! than why do you use it? :D oh my gosh I didn't know that you a moron :( I think It's completely pointless to talk with you
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 Don't call ANYONE stupid, or a moron, when you write at a 3rd grade level.
Damonferal 10 months ago
@Damonferal oh sorry for not being born in english speaking country
insanewarlock666 10 months ago
@TheSmlth /watch?v=d4A0dachmEk
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 /watch?v=LP15Pc2Lljc this video has christians, non christians and historians, it is unbias
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth oh again lane craig... :D why most historians don't doubt jesus? well because most historians are christians :D all of them sound like young earth creationists, they are making extraordinary claims without any evidence :D only in the first video craig mentioned few things that were written AFTER gospels :D :D :D your videos are ridiculous!
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 well firstly your videos where bias, this one isn't at all, there are people from both side of the spectrum and its saying that only idiots don't believe that Jesus once existed. that there is more evidence for Him then most other famous/influential figures of that time. How do you explain that you believe that Jesus didn't ever exist when most historians do believe it? what do you base your belief on if you throw historical evidence out the window that doesn't suit your fancy?
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@TheSmlth "How do you explain that you believe that Jesus didn't ever exist when most historians do believe it?"
you have COMPLETELY misunderstood me... where did I say that I BELIEVE in nonexistence of jesus? I do BELIEVE that jesus lived 20 centuries ago, but it's a BELIEF, there is no HISTORICAL PROOF for it! all I'm saying is that he MAY NOT exist... did you see the difference? :D ROFLMFAO sorry but you are damn stupid because you didn't...
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@TheSmlth all that they were saying was "oh, there are lots of evidence" but I heard non... I mean in second video. what was said in first video I already disproved by saying that all those "historical proof" were written after gospels and they were written ACCORDING gospels. therefore proving that gospels were true about jesus with them is circular reasoning, as we expect from mr. demagogue number one.
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 i already gave you three historians of the time who wrote about Jesus and they did not write according to gospels.
TheSmlth 1 year ago
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@insanewarlock666 haha firstly just a side note, Jesus didnt say any of that it was written by paul and peter in letters. but to get that they support slavery/ sexism is way out of context, slaves back then were people who could not support themselves financially so to survive they would go and work for a rich person and in return, would have a roof over there head and food, they where mostly well looked after it wasn't a racist or sexist thing, also the passage in timothy is paul's opinion
TheSmlth 1 year ago
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@insanewarlock666 haha firstly just a side note, Jesus did say any of that it was written by paul and peter in letters. but to get that they support slavery/ sexism is way out of context, slaves back then were people who could not support themselves financially so to survive they would go and work for a rich person and in return, would have a roof over there head and food, they where mostly well looked after it wasn't a racist or sexist thing, also the passage in timothy is paul's opinion
TheSmlth 1 year ago
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@insanewarlock666 haha firstly just a side note, Jesus didn't say any of that it was written by paul and peter in letters. but to get that they support slavery/ sexism is way out of context, slaves back then were people who could not support themselves financially so to survive they would go and work for a rich person and in return, would have a roof over there head and food, they where mostly well looked after it wasn't a racist or sexist thing, also the passage in timothy is paul's opinion
TheSmlth 1 year ago
@regelemihai you are arguing with bible not with me...
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 Love the atheistic rhetoric. First of all God cannot do what is logically impossible. It is time that atheists learn that. So your challenge from the one dimensional cube is silly. About the rock: A rock would have to be infinitely large to defeat an infinite amount of lifting power (which God has). But an infinite rock is a contradiction in terms since material objects cannot be infinite. There cannot be two infinites.
leidenhag 1 year ago
@leidenhag
1 John 4:8 God is love.
1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is not jealous;
Exodus 34:14 God is jealous
you have to assume that bible contains mistakes or you have to admit that god doesn't exist if you want to make a sense :D
1 Corinthians 13:5 Love is not provoked
Deuteronomy 9:7, Judges 2:12, 1 Kings 14:9: God is provoked.
over 400 contradictions are in the bible!!! 400! can you imagine? there are 400 proof that god doesn't exist, do you really want to hear them all? :D
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666
All that shows is that the OT testament contradicts the New one. What's the big deal? I myself don't believe that the OT is necessarily inspired.
regelemihai 1 year ago
@regelemihai read this verses
there are many contradiction within testaments too :D
old vs new doesn't makes sense because
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is inspired by God
Matthew 5:17-19 "...Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets... not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@regelemihai Thou shall not fuck with Old Testament!
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666
Which one of the 10 commandments is this one?
regelemihai 1 year ago
@regelemihai lol first of all there are many other lows beside 10 commandments :D Matthew 5:17-19 "...Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets..."
The law or the prophets
Exodus22:19
Whoever has sex with an animal shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 21:17
Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death.
Exodus22:18
You shall not allow a sorceress to live
many other laws that command to KILL, lows about slavery, rape, torture etc :D
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@regelemihai 1 Peter 3:15 Always be prepared to give an answer!
its interesting: Deuteronomy 22:28-29
"This is what you must do when a man rapes a virgin who isn't engaged. When the crime is discovered, the man who had sexual intercourse with her must give the girl's father 11/4 pounds of silver, and she will become his wife. Since he raped her, he can never divorce her as long as he lives"
now what do you think? would you let your daughter to marry a rapist? thats what god commands you to do.
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 About the biblical passages (CTRL+C and CTRL + V from an atheistic website). First of all I know a lot of exegete´s who proposes solutions to such as this. Second of all, the existence of the God of Christianity does not rest upon the infallibility of the bible. The only thing that counts is what C.S Lewis called "mere Christianity", that God revealed himself in Jesus. So as long as the gospels are reliable, which they are, then the God of Christianity has not been falsified.
leidenhag 1 year ago
@leidenhag "CTRL+C and CTRL + V from an atheistic website" nop! I have my own notes :)
"First of all I know a lot of exegete´s who proposes solutions to such as this"
oh theologians.... HAHAHAHAHA! :D are you kidding? please PLEASE watch this "Dan Dennett - The Evolution of Confusion" it's a long video but you won't regret even if you don't change your mind (that I don't expect to happen LOL)
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 Well, theologians are the academic experts on the subject. Not Daniel Dennet who is a philosopher :) But you did not respond to my second point that the God of Christianity do not rest on the belief that the bible is infallible. Which is the most important point. Even if there are contradictions in the old testament and some of the writings in the new testament, such as Corinthians, Ecclesians etc. the gospels are the only important thing for a Christian.
leidenhag 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 So to disproce the existence of the God of Christianity, you have to show that Jesus wasn't who he claimed to be, or that Jesus didn't exist at all. Arguing from supposedly contradictions in OT will not establish the non-existence of the God of Christianity.
leidenhag 1 year ago
@leidenhag "Christianity do not rest on the belief that the bible is infallible"
you only can disprove insignificant contradictions with that, like the day when JC was crucified, or number of ppl who saw him after resurrection but not a big contradictions such as "what is love"
Exodus 21:20 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
LOVE?
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 Your are still quoting from OT, and I do not think that this discussion leads anywhere, since you still haven't been able to show that my original comment is incorrect: that P is rationally entitled to adopt the belief in the existence of God, if that belief does not contradict an y known fact or empirical discovery . You seem only interested in quoting from OT, which doesn't undermine the God of Christianity. Goodbye.
leidenhag 1 year ago
@leidenhag do you want some new testament verses on slavery that supports old testament? NO PROBLEM DUDE ;)
Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ
1 Peter 2:18
Slaves, place yourselves under the authority of your owners and show them complete respect. Obey not only
those owners who are good and kind, but also those who are unfair.
again Jesus: Thou shall not fuck with Old Testament! :D:D:D
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 OT is for the old society, where you yourself would be ok with it. There are only 10 *commandments*, do you understand. Each one of them is based on love. Jesus came around to give the New Testament of "loving your enemy", and suffered on the cross for everything humanity has done bad so far, giving it a clean slot with the New Testament. Don't you understand?...
SmokiSounds 1 year ago
@SmokiSounds "clean slot with the New Testament."
Matthew 5:17...Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets!
how many times should I quote damn jesus?
"Jesus came around to give the New Testament of "loving your enemy","
Luke 14:26
"If any man come to me, and HATE not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, HE CANNOT BE MY DISCIPLE."
hate your family and love your enemy, it makes perfect sense :D
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@SmokiSounds "When you're taught to love everyone, to love your enemies, then what value does that place on love?” Marilyn Manson
god is love? what kind of? if thats what is love then I hate love! if that's good, then I prefer to be evil and not to confuse love with hate! jesus was zombie gay who's mother was a virgin bitch and his father was he himself! :D they had an incest or something :D he fucked his mother before he was born :D absurdity makes people to believe that bible is not man made
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 You're probably a 14 year old idiot. I'm sorry. There's no discussion with a child who's name is "insanewarlock666". There's nothing to be expected from you but filth.
SmokiSounds 1 year ago
@SmokiSounds
"There's nothing to be expected from you but filth."
2 Corinthians 5:7
We Walk By Faith, Not By SIGHT!!!
YOU ARE HYPOCRITE or non-christin :D
"You're probably a 14 year old idiot."
perfect cop out! bible is HATE and it preaches DESTRUCTION, MISERY, SLAVERY AND IDIOCY and you are so brainwashed that you can't even handle a light blasphemy... you're a weak person and a loser :D jesus christ SODOMIZED!!!
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 I'm not copping out of anything. Your tone and google quotes are of a third-grader, standard agenda bullshit, and you know it yourself. You keep struggling with your lame argument about the Old Testament, when modern Christianity follows Jesus' New Testament like He himself said. You're ridiculous, you have no escape routes. Bible TALKS about destruction, misery, slavery and IDIOTS like you, and gives answers about them. LMAO. You're the real loser here, wannabe-atheist.
SmokiSounds 1 year ago
@SmokiSounds all I see in your comments is escaping from my questions... you'd better answer why should jesus command you to love your enemy and at the same time command to hate your family, why should you say to me this "There's nothing to be expected from you but filth." when bible asks YOU to walk by faith and not by sight? why should you bother where do I get quotes if you could answer to my questions? I have already said I DON'T USE GOOGLE I WAS MAKING MY OWN NOTES WHILE READING DAMN BIBLE!
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@SmokiSounds you are self deluded who does not want to accept that god is bullshit, you are running from yourself not from my questions can't you realize that? you obviously lost in a debate with me and then you started saying things like "I'm sorry. There's no discussion with a child who's name is insanewarlock666" there is no discussion with person who's mind is completely blocked to grasp reality! you are mentally damaged by religion and I can do nothing with it SORRY that I'm not a psychic!
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 I have a question; where does Jesus say that we shall hate our family?
eagleeye2102 1 year ago
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@eagleeye2102 read my comments and than respond pleas
Luke 14:26
"If any man come to me, and HATE not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, HE CANNOT BE MY DISCIPLE.""
insanewarlock666 1 year ago
@SmokiSounds wait wait are you a christian? If yes then I'm confused about your messages. You call "insanewarlock666" a loser etc. That is not how a christian shall talk to another person.
eagleeye2102 1 year ago
@insanewarlock666 1) Agnosticism is lack of belief. People like you lie and take an agnositic's position so that it gets you out of having to prove the positive claim you're actually making. If you say the god of the bible has been disproved, you're going to have to provide hard evidence for that, not opinions.
You're computer is just a toy that accomodates human behavior. Science works?, so do my bowels when I sit on a toilet. Subjective value means nothing and your argumens are terribad.
Vlaxitov 1 year ago
@Vlaxitov "1) Agnosticism is lack of belief. "
nop agnosticism is lack of opinion and atheism is lack of belief :P atheos means withaout god on ancient greece.
insanewarlock666 1 year ago