Wait wait wait... Are they really debating if Jesus was litteraly resurrected? I can't believe this...
Do they know that even at the time at St Paul (when christianity was not even founded), you may interpret the resurrection - Pneuma - as a spiritual one and call yourself a christian?
@DoctorE0 it may seem insane to us (I'm assuming you're an atheist), but judging by the religious demographics of the world it is totally acceptable to some. Going in there that night my requisite for victory was to get at least one person to question their faith, take a step back, and see it from another point of view. Realistically, you are right there is no use debating, but what can come of it is worth it.
Prof. McCormick, As a former student, it was great to see you at the debate, sharp as ever (though a wee bit more gray than I remember) :-) I do wish there was more time to have heard your complete arguments. Perhaps you can expound further on a follow-up video here. I reviewed the debate on all of the video links & have a couple questions.
Are there any documented cases of multiple individuals experiencing the same bereavement hallucinations, at the same time? Is it reasonable, by past or present psychology, to publicly disclose those experiences, knowing it would lead to persecution & death? Jesus' followers were terrified after seeing what happened when the Teacher of their same ideology spoke out; they were in hiding. Even one of his best friends, Peter, is said to be so scared that he publicly disowned his Teacher.
Q2 - By the proposed standards and propensities associated with "Fidelity Degradation", should we allow ourselves to accept ANY accounts of Ancient History? The phenomena would apply to non-supernatural events as well. Should this Resurrection account simply be weighed by standards of veracity, which are employed when looking at other historical texts and events?
Q3 - If the evidence could have been better, as guided by the mind of an ominscient God, then could the process of Canonization not have also developed a better, more perfect story as well? It seems to me that the embarrassing, deeply personal and inglorious details are part of what has made this story endure the test of time. Such adherence to unflattering history does not seem to coincide with Pious affectations of grandeur.
Wait wait wait... Are they really debating if Jesus was litteraly resurrected? I can't believe this...
Do they know that even at the time at St Paul (when christianity was not even founded), you may interpret the resurrection - Pneuma - as a spiritual one and call yourself a christian?
1800 years ago?
Knr911 1 year ago 4
@DoctorE0 it may seem insane to us (I'm assuming you're an atheist), but judging by the religious demographics of the world it is totally acceptable to some. Going in there that night my requisite for victory was to get at least one person to question their faith, take a step back, and see it from another point of view. Realistically, you are right there is no use debating, but what can come of it is worth it.
SacAtheist 1 year ago 3
Sorry it's useless to debate this.. shall we debate Harry Potter, Spiderman, Batman...
Did Batman exist.. .did he fly.. did he get stuck in Spiderman's web..... insane folks
DoctorE0 1 year ago
Prof. McCormick, As a former student, it was great to see you at the debate, sharp as ever (though a wee bit more gray than I remember) :-) I do wish there was more time to have heard your complete arguments. Perhaps you can expound further on a follow-up video here. I reviewed the debate on all of the video links & have a couple questions.
ONEon7Billion 1 year ago
Are there any documented cases of multiple individuals experiencing the same bereavement hallucinations, at the same time? Is it reasonable, by past or present psychology, to publicly disclose those experiences, knowing it would lead to persecution & death? Jesus' followers were terrified after seeing what happened when the Teacher of their same ideology spoke out; they were in hiding. Even one of his best friends, Peter, is said to be so scared that he publicly disowned his Teacher.
ONEon7Billion 1 year ago
Q2 - By the proposed standards and propensities associated with "Fidelity Degradation", should we allow ourselves to accept ANY accounts of Ancient History? The phenomena would apply to non-supernatural events as well. Should this Resurrection account simply be weighed by standards of veracity, which are employed when looking at other historical texts and events?
ONEon7Billion 1 year ago
Q3 - If the evidence could have been better, as guided by the mind of an ominscient God, then could the process of Canonization not have also developed a better, more perfect story as well? It seems to me that the embarrassing, deeply personal and inglorious details are part of what has made this story endure the test of time. Such adherence to unflattering history does not seem to coincide with Pious affectations of grandeur.
ONEon7Billion 1 year ago