I think cyclists like to ride on the road on an open bycicle to get the chance to be hit so they can bitch and complain and sue someone for money. I saw one yesterday morning riding on the road w/ no bycicle lane when there was a doublewide sidwalk on both sides of the street. What ignorance some people have.
@cmanmaxwell I would never want to be hit by a car and potentially killed in order to instigate a lawsuit (which is also a miserable experience). Instead, I am trying to get from one place to the next. It is more dangerous, and also illegal in many areas here, to ride on the sidewalk. Cyclists do belong on the road; there is no reason why automobiles and cyclists can't coexist on the same transportation infrastructure.
@cambridgecyclist The reason I say they shouldn't is just because they don't pay insurance/taxes to drive on the road. The sidewalk is made for padestrian travel and it seems ignorant when people ride a bycicle on a 45 limit road going 30, it's dangerous and if your town doesn't permit cyclists on the sidewalk I would submit an appeal.
@cmanmaxwell Cyclists pay for transportation infrastructure through property taxes, just like everyone else. Gas taxes and other user fees that automobile drivers incur only cover about 40% of the cost of the roads -- the rest comes from the general pool of money that the government collects from all taxpayers. Where I am, bicycling is faster than driving because there is less bicycle traffic to get stuck behind than automobile traffic.
If bicyclists want use of the road, they should be plated, licensed, registered like any other vehicle on the road. Also, bicyclists will be held accountable if they have license plates, to deter bike-raging.
@upallhours9 Bicyclists already have use of the road; it is a right, not a licensed privilege. Do you also feel that other non-motorized vehicles should be licensed? Inspected? Can you imagine a world where every horse must be inspected once a year before it's taken for a spin? The way this works is this: we all pay for the road, we can all use it to get places. If you want special status -- taking a motor vehicle on it for example -- you need a special license.
I'm saying that ANY vehicle making use of the road should require license, registration, insurance.
It's not fair that motorists have to pay a non-insured premium for un-insured parties.
You can't have bicyclists clipping motorists side mirrors and kicking cars out of rage and NOT expect some sort of accountability. I like what you said about permits for horses -funny you mention it, Amish folks have a triangle on the rear for safety.
@upallhours9 I absolutely think people should be held accountable when they destroy other people's property. However, I disagree about licensing non-motorized vehicles. Anyone can walk, drive a bicycle, horse, wheelchair, rollerskate, skateboard, take a horse-drawn carriage... that right cannot be taken away from you unless you're in jail (in which case, lots of rights are being removed). Public roads are paid for by everyone who pays taxes, not just motor vehicles, and are public resources.
@cambridgecyclist okay, if you hit my side mirror, and kick my door, then take off...how are you accountable?
If you had a license plate I could record it, and file a police report. Also with a license plate, bicyclists would actually have a reason to be accountable. I'm sorry, if you want the same rights and considerations of the road, you best be signalling, obeying traffic law, and permit, plate, insurance.
Us motorists shouldn't have to pay an un-insured driver premium.
@upallhours9 If you walk up to someone, rip a hole in their shirt, then run away, how are you accountable? The analogy is the same. You're accountable if you are caught by a law officer. It sounds to me like what you are advocating is that everyone who is out in public should be carrying an identification tag. What is the different between a pedestrian kicking your car and a cyclist? Both are wrong and people should be held accountable, but that doesn't mean we should all have ID tags.
@cambridgecyclist Firstly, motorists pay a premium for other vehicles not covered. ie. you get into an accident with a kid who stole a car. Same would likely apply here. It's not fair motorists should incur all the costs if they arent the only ones on the road. Motorcyclists are insured, plated, registered, yet you don't see them whinging about it.
Why don't you want licensing, plating for bicycle riding? Every vehicle SHOULD be plated at minimum, - just my opinion.
@upallhours9 The underinsured motorist provisions apply to damage to your own vehicle if you are involved in an accident with another vehicle. I frankly doubt that the cost or presence of this provision has anything to do with any significant number of situations where an underinsured cyclist causes significant damage to a motor vehicle. Although it may apply, I don't think that its creation, presence or perpetuation has anything to do with cyclists.
@upallhours9 Motor vehicle licensing and plating is designed so that people who choose to operate enormous, heavy vehicles on the public's roads are properly trained so that they have enough skills not to injure or kill other people, and can be identified in the event that they operate their vehicles in ways that are dangerous to others. Bicycles (and other muscle powered vehicles) simply are not massive enough to be so dangerous as to require plating or licensing programs.
@cambridgecyclist So, if you clip my side mirror by accident or whatever... you're going to pull off to the side of the road and have a nice talking-to? NO! I'm pretty sure you would flee.
Size of the vehicle is irrelevant. As long as the vehicle is sharing lane-ways with automobiles, plates and regisration should be in order. Bicyclists flaunt the law by running red lights, no signals, mostly because they can! Doesn't exempt them from following the rules of the road.
@upallhours9 I think this is an enforcement problem, not a registration or licensing problem.
Vehicle size (and implicitly the potential to cause harm) is completely relevant -- that is why there are different types of licenses for larger motor vehicles than smaller ones. As long as dangerous automobiles are sharing the roads with benign forms of traffic, the drivers of these motorized vehicles should be licensed to use such a deadly object in public.
@cambridgecyclist Right! how can bicyclists be enforced if they have no means to be held accountable?
You never answered my previous question. If you hit and broke my side mirror, would you actually have stuck around, or taken off because you have no license plate for me to make note of?
@upallhours9 Your supposition is that licensing and registration is the only means by which people can be held accountable for their actions. This is clearly untrue.
@cambridgecyclist O Rly? Tell everyone here in the class how they would hold YOU accountable for smashing a side mirror. We all would like to know, how US, the motorists could hold a bicyclist accountable?
What, just watch in disbelief as the bicyclist whips thru 3 lanes of traffic, while we are stuck in traffic? Tell a police officer? You say you are only accountable if you are caught - that's a relief! Then us motorists don't need license plates if we on the same roads.
Your hypothetical scenario isn't realistic. People don't ride around smashing side mirrors on cars for no apparent reason. If that's happened to you, well, that is amazing and that sucks.
Cyclists stand to lose a lot more from any accident than the driver does. If I hit your car hard enough to damage it I doubt that I'd be getting up and walking away, let alone cycling away. My bicycle and body would both be pretty banged up. Are you really concerned about damage to your car from rogue cyclists?
@cambridgecyclist It hasn't happened to me, but i see how close the handlebars get sometimes.
Damage to my car by rogue cyclists is not my main concern, just that all vehicles on the road should be plated merely due to the fact they sharing the same road. All should be required the same permits in order to use the roads.
@cambridgecyclist It hasn't happened to me, but i see how close the handlebars get sometimes.
Damage to my car by rogue cyclists is not my main concern, just that all vehicles on the road should be plated merely due to the fact they sharing the same road. All should be required the same permits in order to use the roads.
@upallhours9 I have been in disagreements with drivers and haven't responded with physical violence. The thought of whether or not I had a license plate never crossed my mind in any of these situations. I don't know what I would do if I hit and broke your side mirror. If I was going fast enough to break your mirror I'm sure I'd be much worse off than your car!
if your gonna bitch about cars not giving u enough room then i better not ever see you break anyfucking triaffic laws. you share the road you share the responsibility.
@sills66 Yeah, like you never speed in your car, never talk on the phone, never make mistakes, and could always pass a driving test. Then again, in the US a lot of people have driving licenses who I wouldn't trust to do my photocopying.
@CyclingMikey ya so wheres the tax money coming in from registration on the roads. oh ya car drivers. we pay to have the right to be on the road, we're bigger than you so get the fuck out of the way. ya i know people drive like fucking idiots all the more reason to get the fuck off the road. duh
@sills66 No, you have no right to drive on the roads, only a privilege. Your licence can be taken away if you misbehave sufficiently badly. Carry on with that sort of attitude, and I predict you'll end up on YouTube soon enough, and you'll suffer the consequences with the law. Thousands and thousands of cyclists carry cameras now, just because of the attitude of ignorant drivers like yourself.
@CyclingMikey exactly you just proved my point. drivers take the responsibility. cyclist dont get into any trouble what so ever. so if a cyclist runs into me on the fucking road for like running stop light, and they all do. whose insurance is paying for the repair? ya mine. dumb ass. id like to see a cyclist video taping himself running a stop light and posting it on youtube. ya not gonna happen. because you know its wrong. and you want to take all the privilege and none of the responsibility.
@sills66 Actually, just as many motorists run red lights as do cyclists, and in the subset of collisions between drivers and cyclists, in 80-90% of cases it's the driver's fault. I'd be quite happy for both cyclists and motorists to be prosecuted for running red lights. In fact there are several motorists who are being prosecuted for running red lights based on my video.
@sills66 Ah, big bully behaviour using your vehicle's weight and speed to tell cyclists to get off the road. Shame on you. Here in the UK, everyone pays for the roads since tax is not hypothecated. The result is that private motoring is subsidised by the whole population, quite apart from the fact that most cyclists also own cars.
@CyclingMikey its the fact that cars are bigger and can kill you that should tell bikers duh maybe i should get out of the way. we dont want to hit you thats the point.
@sills66 Why do you think it's fine to bully cyclists off the road? Look at your first post again, it shows a dire lack of tolerance and responsibility:
"if your gonna bitch about cars not giving u enough room then i better not ever see you break anyfucking triaffic laws. you share the road you share the responsibility."
We share the roads together as friends, not enemies:
The cyclist gives the driver advice to avoid accidents. In return the driver does the same, but the all knowing cyclist does not want to hear it. A smart person questions his own actions first.
BTW, A cyclist feeling endangered should buy a car: As a cyclists you VOLUNTEER to be vulnerable. No need to take this out on motorists. Last time a car rode me of my bike (his bad) he apologized & we shook hands. We BOTH learned from it.
No, the road does not belong to everyone. It is for cars. I can't walk in the middle of the street. I can't drive my car down a bike path. Cyclists antagonize motorists and then act indignant when someone cuts you off who didn't see you cuz you rode in their blindspot for a quarter mile. You endanger your own lives, and more importantly you annoy motorists.
@decimvs The road does belong to everyone -- it is not only for cars. We do not have a right to drive a motorized vehicle on the road; that is a privilege. We do, however, have the right to walk, ride horses, ride bicycles, or use any other non-motorized vehicle on the public way. Granted there are a few exceptions (highways notably). While traffic (be it automobile traffic, bicycle, or any other) is annoying, it is part of using a shared resource.
I live in Portland, OR. Commute by bike is big in this city. 95% of the cyclist on the road think the road belongs to them and only them. They preach how the road belongs to everyone, but then they go and run stop signs, make turns without checking the cross street and then they get pissed at us for not stopping for them or almost hitting them because they're in our blind spot? Sorry but most of the cyclists out there are hypocrites who only care for themselves. (Continued)
If the road is for everyone then why is it illegal to walk on the road, or take a horse down the road? oh yeah.. because it isn't everyone's right to be on the road. Roads are designed for cars. Riding a bike on public roads is a privilege too. Again, most cyclists are arrogant for thinking otherwise. If you ride a bike on a public road you share the same laws as a car. If you were almost hit by a car it was more than likely your own fault as a result of your stupidity. (Cont)
@pojo205 Let me clarify what I mean by right. It is not illegal to walk on the road or take a horse down the road unless it's a highway or a toll road. The roads were made so that people can get from place to place, not so that people can use motorized vehicles on them. Motorized vehicles may be used on the public way as long as the driver is licensed. There is no licensing requirement for pedestrians, horses or non-motorized vehicles. There is no need to resort to name calling.
When you're a cyclists on public roads you're acknowledging and accepting the dangers of riding with cars. Just because you're on a bike doesn't mean you get special treatment. People get in car accidents everyday because of a cyclist lack of obedience to traffic laws. I've seen cyclists make a left turn from the right hand lane without checking their blind spot and without giving a turn warning because they think they're above motorists. (continued)
They think that motorists need to stop for them because they CHOOSE to ride a bike on roads meant for motorized vehicles. I've also seen cyclists cut in between cars to get to the front. Again, you aren't supposed to do that. Do you see motorcycles doing this? no. And when they do this sometimes they hit a side mirror and then bitch at the driver for damaging their bike. 99% of the time the cyclist is at wrong and at fault. They need to get off their high horse. (continued)
the cyclist is salty as hell, if that was me, you get 2 options, u call the cops, or be on your way. I would get my bat, if he kept touching my car like in this video, and throw your Gatorade with the cap off, you do that to the wrong person, your ass is getting ran the fuck over.
@Djonemore When somebodydeliberately puts your life in danger just to earn a couple of seconds, you can easily and quickly get out of control. In this kind of situation, I personaly do my best to keep my self control and gently discuss with the guy to make him understand that the manoeuvre was dangerous and criminal. Sometimes they do aknowledge their fault and I get their apologies, sometimes they act like cunts answering by threats and insults.
@Djonemore When somebody deliberately puts your life in danger just to earn a couple of seconds, you can easily and quickly get out of control. In this kind of situation, I personaly do my best to keep my self control and gently discuss with the guy to make him understand that the manoeuvre was dangerous and criminal. Sometimes they do aknowledge their fault and I get their apologies, sometimes they act like cunts answering by threats and insults.
@Djonemore Of course I don't condone they way the cyclist 's behavior, yelling at the driver and hitting the car, but I can understand his anger. You shloud ride on a bike to see what we experience on a daily basis, and then you will change of mind.
@hazemvirus Let us examine this argument. have you looked at how much urban real estate is dedicated towards the use of cars? This is the city, and space is far too precious to allocate so much of it towards people who want to carry around thousands of extra pounds of weight and metal every time they want to make a trip somewhere. I prefer that cities be built for people, and people sizes, not for cars -- which are dangerous, large, loud, and create pollution.
@cambridgecyclist downtown areas you mean, they are terrible! you go with your car and you spend hours to reach wherever you want to go in first place and as you said, loud too big, pollution and even if you pass that traffic jam there is nowhere to park your car, yes i drive in city but i know where the jam is so i park somewhere and i take off my bike where i just hook it on the back of my car and there you go
@cambridgecyclist How do you suggest we get the supermarket in the middle of the city stocked without using cars or trucks or any other motorised vehicle?
@pingpongpung I am not sure what you're going for here, but the purpose of this channel isn't to demonstrate that living without cars is eminently practical in every situation. I put this channel together to illustrate the problems that all road users have sharing the road. My vision of a cycling utopia would include opportunities for motorized vehicles to be used where they shine -- in hauling heavy items efficiently -- which isn't what is needed on most trips by most people.
@pingpongpung I do it all the time. Yesterday I carried seven bags of groceries on my xtracycle no problem. Even going up some annoying steep hills. All pedal power.
Unless that car can drive sideways, the cyclist has the upper hand. He could smash that car's side window and ride away before the car can turn. Cars aren't as agile as bikes.
You hope he gets hurt?? Thats a bit cruel, theres no evidence to suggest that hiviz clothing gets you noticed. Infact many cyclists in the UK call dayglo tops "cloaks of invisibility"
yes as a cyclist and a car driver I am amazed how bad light can camo a cyclist so be seen is still my advice however you may be refering to car drivers who cant see other cars never mind cyclists checkout school run mums and they say women can multi task yes multi hazards more like it.
Yeah thats it really, some people just dont look. I had one driver a few years back who nearly hooked me, she made some claim about hiviz clothing despite me wearing it, LOL!
My brother refers to multitasking as: doing multiple things at the same time, badly. Hehe!
I think this new law they are proposing car drivers always at fault would be good as it would save trying to avoid the idiots.
I kicked a guys Roller at Marble arch roundabout when he cut right across me.
Your experience is what I mean as long we cyclists do the right thing not to give car drivers a reason then lets see them in the dock trying to explain it.
Kind of makes you feel sorry for the Roller, LOL! So far the only contact I've made with a car is when they have collided with me (eg wing mirror on one occassion, and slammed into the side of another when he pulled out of a side road)
It was Cycling England that proposed the law change. Wasnt actually about fault but insurance payouts. Didnt stop a load of whingers in the papers. Very funny, like blind panic
yes you are right re insurance I still think this countrys idea of cycle lanes is laughable drawing a white line on the edge of the road and saying that protects cyclists. I would ride more except the bastards cant do anything unless they make money out of it a few years ago every train used to have a carriage for the post etc where you put your bike nowadays apparently on most trains you have to book a specific train countrys run by sodding idiots
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i know it's legal smartass but it's a privelage for them to get to have this legal. the cyclists morally has no right to yell at the driver. it just doesn't make much sense. your putting your life in the hands of drunk drivers. people driving while texting and the worst...women. maybe cambridge cyclists can yell at drivers but not in houston. the bikers down here need to take their ass to where your at.
I am disappointed that you have resorted to name calling instead of continuing intelligent discourse. I'm not sure what happened to cause the cyclist to be so angry and I'm not making a judgement call on it. It makes a lot of sense to me to ride a bicycle instead of use a car. I do think that we are better off encouraging cycling than discouraging it; cyclists use less oil-based energy and use our roads more efficiently. It sounds like Houston could use more facilities to accomodate cyclists.
i only called you a smart ass. you have to have a car in houston. i am not against saving energy. that is simply a houstonian sterotype. as if the citizens get a check from exxon.for alot of people it is impossible to ride their bike to work. you don't know much about Houston do you? it's spread out like los angeles.biking especially for sport is dangerous and worsens the already horrific traffic. as for "intelligent discourse" im sure since i'm from texas that i don't know what that means.
legally you are correct. but i get angry how cyclists act like they own the road. when the roads are not really meant for them. it's just dangerous. there are plenty of sidewalks. driving is a privilege but riding your bike on the same road as drivers is a privilege as well. because at any moment you could get knocked the hell off of your bike by a vehicle. especially if you don't stop at a stop sign. i'm all about going green. but if your going to ride in the street follow the same laws we do.
I agree with the argument about cyclists needing to follow the laws, but sidewalks are a terrible place to ride. There is a reason it's a sideWALK and not a multi-use path. People are expecting people WALKing (hence the name) at 3MPH and don't expect to see a cyclist there as they back out of a driveway or make a turn.
And technically at any moment, your car could get run over by a school bus, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say there.
"sideWalk"...i have to hand it to you that was really clever. well it really all depends on where you live, and what area of town you choose to ride. if your in a sprawled out area of town it's probably safer to use te sidewalk. more dense areas of town or the city it is more cyclist friendly regarding the speed limit for motorists. about the safety. i know a bus can run my car over. but it's like a food chain. 18-wheeler, bus, truck, car, pedestrian. that's what i'm trying to say there.
if you were on a bike and stopped first at a red light with traffic screaming up behind you, what do you think goes through your mind? of course you find a way to make it safely through the light at your own risk. what the heck is so wrong with that? treating cars and bikes the same is silly. we didn't need stops signs, lights, etc until cars came about. use your heads people.
Use your head dumbass, if you think tangling with 3000 pounds of steel vs your little 20 pounds well just keep it up, sooner or later you'll be bleeding idiot.
i commute 2000 miles or so every year. i've been riding in pittsburgh, pa for about 5 years riding that distance or more without having a single incident of causing an accident. i have been almost plowed over by idiot drivers trying to pass me illegally and take right turns, though. i just happen to have fairly exceptional bike handling skills and good judgment and i know "where not to be". taking the lane at intersections helps idiots not pass dangerously too.
unixd0rk: you made some good points!! I'm going to start taking the lane at intersections because i've almost been plowed a few times from impatient motorists. They may honk their horns but I want to make it home!!
@Ilikadasauce Perhaps in the US, but not in the UK - roads are paid for by taxpayers (including income tax, VAT, duty etc.) pretty much anyone who works effectively pays into the roads. Ironically, a lot of cyclists also own cars, so also pay fuel duty and for the tax disc (which some people erroneously call road tax). All this is UK - the US and other countries may vary...
In the uk they are actually not allowed to ride on the pavement (though many cyclists are fuckwits and ignore every road safety rule out there such as running red lights)
exactly how dangerous is it to YOU if a cyclist safely runs a red light?
likewise, i could give a toss if people run lights in their cars if they really want to. i assume that cars are always going to run a light and endanger me anyway even if i have right of way.
It is very dangerous if my light is green and some fucktard cyclist runs though the opposing red! it causing me to crash... asshole cyclists who pull that crap have no insurance so if they cause me an accident I have to pay!
if it's that dangerous then most people won't do it. how many people do you see crashing their car to avoid a cyclist out there? more than you see caused by other cars themselves? you are worrying about something that is less likely to happen than getting struck by the other motorist behind you. great priorities, there.
i have insurance for my car that would pay for an accident if i caused it, the thing is... there just aren't that many accidents where bikes cause any sort of bad accident.
Even if a cyclist is uninsured (many actually are through things like club membership, Union membership, household insurance, etc) they can still be made to pay through the small claims courts if you have reasonable evidence they caused the incident.
The problem with taking somebody to small claims is they can claim to be broke and be put on some pissy payment plan of £10 a week (or less! think of the cost to take this to court and you are looking at years to get paid back... same as if you hit a pedestrian and its their fault)... some may have insurance but I dont think it covers 3rd party liability just against the bike getting trashed/nicked
Courts are pretty good at determining what money you have (a friend of mine was taken to court after he was hit by a driver running a light through a crossing)
Anyway I reckon looking at the numbers its got to be pretty rare so its not even worth worrying about. It bloody hurts, anyway, good deterrant for sticking to rules imo.
"Later I observed this cyclist riding to the left of the double yellow line...."
When I was younger, I would feel (and be) so rejected from the rules of the road that I couldn't see to point of following _any_ laws when so many people made games out of taunting, harassing, and assaulting bicyclists. Most drivers just pretended that they were above the law. I followed the example of adult motorists and would flaunt the law too.
I've since been following the law better than motorists.
Man, if some idiot jumped off his bike and started yelling at me while pounding on my car like that (whatever the reason - everybody makes mistakes), he'd probably be a hood ornament on my car before he rode another twenty feet.
I think cyclists like to ride on the road on an open bycicle to get the chance to be hit so they can bitch and complain and sue someone for money. I saw one yesterday morning riding on the road w/ no bycicle lane when there was a doublewide sidwalk on both sides of the street. What ignorance some people have.
cmanmaxwell 2 months ago
@cmanmaxwell I would never want to be hit by a car and potentially killed in order to instigate a lawsuit (which is also a miserable experience). Instead, I am trying to get from one place to the next. It is more dangerous, and also illegal in many areas here, to ride on the sidewalk. Cyclists do belong on the road; there is no reason why automobiles and cyclists can't coexist on the same transportation infrastructure.
cambridgecyclist 2 months ago
@cambridgecyclist The reason I say they shouldn't is just because they don't pay insurance/taxes to drive on the road. The sidewalk is made for padestrian travel and it seems ignorant when people ride a bycicle on a 45 limit road going 30, it's dangerous and if your town doesn't permit cyclists on the sidewalk I would submit an appeal.
cmanmaxwell 2 months ago
@cmanmaxwell Cyclists pay for transportation infrastructure through property taxes, just like everyone else. Gas taxes and other user fees that automobile drivers incur only cover about 40% of the cost of the roads -- the rest comes from the general pool of money that the government collects from all taxpayers. Where I am, bicycling is faster than driving because there is less bicycle traffic to get stuck behind than automobile traffic.
cambridgecyclist 2 months ago
Most driver's aren't focused on the road. Although as cyclists, we gotta feel sorry for them, they're trapped in steel boxes with no escape.
tennisstar5231 4 months ago
@tennisstar5231 except for the doors
cheezor1 3 months ago
If bicyclists want use of the road, they should be plated, licensed, registered like any other vehicle on the road. Also, bicyclists will be held accountable if they have license plates, to deter bike-raging.
upallhours9 5 months ago
@upallhours9 Bicyclists already have use of the road; it is a right, not a licensed privilege. Do you also feel that other non-motorized vehicles should be licensed? Inspected? Can you imagine a world where every horse must be inspected once a year before it's taken for a spin? The way this works is this: we all pay for the road, we can all use it to get places. If you want special status -- taking a motor vehicle on it for example -- you need a special license.
cambridgecyclist 5 months ago
@cambridgecyclist How is riding a bike on the road a right?
I'm saying that ANY vehicle making use of the road should require license, registration, insurance.
It's not fair that motorists have to pay a non-insured premium for un-insured parties.
You can't have bicyclists clipping motorists side mirrors and kicking cars out of rage and NOT expect some sort of accountability. I like what you said about permits for horses -funny you mention it, Amish folks have a triangle on the rear for safety.
upallhours9 5 months ago
@upallhours9 I absolutely think people should be held accountable when they destroy other people's property. However, I disagree about licensing non-motorized vehicles. Anyone can walk, drive a bicycle, horse, wheelchair, rollerskate, skateboard, take a horse-drawn carriage... that right cannot be taken away from you unless you're in jail (in which case, lots of rights are being removed). Public roads are paid for by everyone who pays taxes, not just motor vehicles, and are public resources.
cambridgecyclist 5 months ago
@cambridgecyclist okay, if you hit my side mirror, and kick my door, then take off...how are you accountable?
If you had a license plate I could record it, and file a police report. Also with a license plate, bicyclists would actually have a reason to be accountable. I'm sorry, if you want the same rights and considerations of the road, you best be signalling, obeying traffic law, and permit, plate, insurance.
Us motorists shouldn't have to pay an un-insured driver premium.
upallhours9 5 months ago
@upallhours9 If you walk up to someone, rip a hole in their shirt, then run away, how are you accountable? The analogy is the same. You're accountable if you are caught by a law officer. It sounds to me like what you are advocating is that everyone who is out in public should be carrying an identification tag. What is the different between a pedestrian kicking your car and a cyclist? Both are wrong and people should be held accountable, but that doesn't mean we should all have ID tags.
cambridgecyclist 5 months ago
@cambridgecyclist Firstly, motorists pay a premium for other vehicles not covered. ie. you get into an accident with a kid who stole a car. Same would likely apply here. It's not fair motorists should incur all the costs if they arent the only ones on the road. Motorcyclists are insured, plated, registered, yet you don't see them whinging about it.
Why don't you want licensing, plating for bicycle riding? Every vehicle SHOULD be plated at minimum, - just my opinion.
upallhours9 5 months ago
@upallhours9 The underinsured motorist provisions apply to damage to your own vehicle if you are involved in an accident with another vehicle. I frankly doubt that the cost or presence of this provision has anything to do with any significant number of situations where an underinsured cyclist causes significant damage to a motor vehicle. Although it may apply, I don't think that its creation, presence or perpetuation has anything to do with cyclists.
cambridgecyclist 5 months ago
@upallhours9 Motor vehicle licensing and plating is designed so that people who choose to operate enormous, heavy vehicles on the public's roads are properly trained so that they have enough skills not to injure or kill other people, and can be identified in the event that they operate their vehicles in ways that are dangerous to others. Bicycles (and other muscle powered vehicles) simply are not massive enough to be so dangerous as to require plating or licensing programs.
cambridgecyclist 5 months ago
@upallhours9 As far as the un-insured *motorist* premium I don't see how that applies here.
cambridgecyclist 5 months ago
@cambridgecyclist So, if you clip my side mirror by accident or whatever... you're going to pull off to the side of the road and have a nice talking-to? NO! I'm pretty sure you would flee.
Size of the vehicle is irrelevant. As long as the vehicle is sharing lane-ways with automobiles, plates and regisration should be in order. Bicyclists flaunt the law by running red lights, no signals, mostly because they can! Doesn't exempt them from following the rules of the road.
upallhours9 5 months ago
@upallhours9 I think this is an enforcement problem, not a registration or licensing problem.
Vehicle size (and implicitly the potential to cause harm) is completely relevant -- that is why there are different types of licenses for larger motor vehicles than smaller ones. As long as dangerous automobiles are sharing the roads with benign forms of traffic, the drivers of these motorized vehicles should be licensed to use such a deadly object in public.
cambridgecyclist 5 months ago
@cambridgecyclist Right! how can bicyclists be enforced if they have no means to be held accountable?
You never answered my previous question. If you hit and broke my side mirror, would you actually have stuck around, or taken off because you have no license plate for me to make note of?
upallhours9 5 months ago
@upallhours9 Your supposition is that licensing and registration is the only means by which people can be held accountable for their actions. This is clearly untrue.
cambridgecyclist 5 months ago
@cambridgecyclist O Rly? Tell everyone here in the class how they would hold YOU accountable for smashing a side mirror. We all would like to know, how US, the motorists could hold a bicyclist accountable?
What, just watch in disbelief as the bicyclist whips thru 3 lanes of traffic, while we are stuck in traffic? Tell a police officer? You say you are only accountable if you are caught - that's a relief! Then us motorists don't need license plates if we on the same roads.
upallhours9 5 months ago
Your hypothetical scenario isn't realistic. People don't ride around smashing side mirrors on cars for no apparent reason. If that's happened to you, well, that is amazing and that sucks.
Cyclists stand to lose a lot more from any accident than the driver does. If I hit your car hard enough to damage it I doubt that I'd be getting up and walking away, let alone cycling away. My bicycle and body would both be pretty banged up. Are you really concerned about damage to your car from rogue cyclists?
cambridgecyclist 5 months ago
@cambridgecyclist It hasn't happened to me, but i see how close the handlebars get sometimes.
Damage to my car by rogue cyclists is not my main concern, just that all vehicles on the road should be plated merely due to the fact they sharing the same road. All should be required the same permits in order to use the roads.
upallhours9 5 months ago
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@cambridgecyclist It hasn't happened to me, but i see how close the handlebars get sometimes.
Damage to my car by rogue cyclists is not my main concern, just that all vehicles on the road should be plated merely due to the fact they sharing the same road. All should be required the same permits in order to use the roads.
upallhours9 5 months ago
@upallhours9 I have been in disagreements with drivers and haven't responded with physical violence. The thought of whether or not I had a license plate never crossed my mind in any of these situations. I don't know what I would do if I hit and broke your side mirror. If I was going fast enough to break your mirror I'm sure I'd be much worse off than your car!
cambridgecyclist 5 months ago
if your gonna bitch about cars not giving u enough room then i better not ever see you break anyfucking triaffic laws. you share the road you share the responsibility.
sills66 6 months ago
@sills66 Yeah, like you never speed in your car, never talk on the phone, never make mistakes, and could always pass a driving test. Then again, in the US a lot of people have driving licenses who I wouldn't trust to do my photocopying.
CyclingMikey 6 months ago
@CyclingMikey ya so wheres the tax money coming in from registration on the roads. oh ya car drivers. we pay to have the right to be on the road, we're bigger than you so get the fuck out of the way. ya i know people drive like fucking idiots all the more reason to get the fuck off the road. duh
sills66 6 months ago
@sills66 No, you have no right to drive on the roads, only a privilege. Your licence can be taken away if you misbehave sufficiently badly. Carry on with that sort of attitude, and I predict you'll end up on YouTube soon enough, and you'll suffer the consequences with the law. Thousands and thousands of cyclists carry cameras now, just because of the attitude of ignorant drivers like yourself.
CyclingMikey 6 months ago
@CyclingMikey exactly you just proved my point. drivers take the responsibility. cyclist dont get into any trouble what so ever. so if a cyclist runs into me on the fucking road for like running stop light, and they all do. whose insurance is paying for the repair? ya mine. dumb ass. id like to see a cyclist video taping himself running a stop light and posting it on youtube. ya not gonna happen. because you know its wrong. and you want to take all the privilege and none of the responsibility.
sills66 5 months ago
@sills66 Actually, just as many motorists run red lights as do cyclists, and in the subset of collisions between drivers and cyclists, in 80-90% of cases it's the driver's fault. I'd be quite happy for both cyclists and motorists to be prosecuted for running red lights. In fact there are several motorists who are being prosecuted for running red lights based on my video.
CyclingMikey 5 months ago
@CyclingMikey ok except i said to get a video of a CYCLIST running a stop light not a driver. duh.
sills66 5 months ago
@sills66 They're all the same humans running red lights, only the ones in motor vehicles are by far the more dangerous to other people.
CyclingMikey 5 months ago
@sills66 Ah, big bully behaviour using your vehicle's weight and speed to tell cyclists to get off the road. Shame on you. Here in the UK, everyone pays for the roads since tax is not hypothecated. The result is that private motoring is subsidised by the whole population, quite apart from the fact that most cyclists also own cars.
CyclingMikey 5 months ago
@CyclingMikey its the fact that cars are bigger and can kill you that should tell bikers duh maybe i should get out of the way. we dont want to hit you thats the point.
sills66 5 months ago
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@sills66 Why do you think it's fine to bully cyclists off the road? Look at your first post again, it shows a dire lack of tolerance and responsibility:
"if your gonna bitch about cars not giving u enough room then i better not ever see you break anyfucking triaffic laws. you share the road you share the responsibility."
CyclingMikey 5 months ago
@sills66 Too right! Well-said.
upallhours9 5 months ago
@sills66 I agree with you.
upallhours9 5 months ago
We share the roads together as friends, not enemies:
The cyclist gives the driver advice to avoid accidents. In return the driver does the same, but the all knowing cyclist does not want to hear it. A smart person questions his own actions first.
BTW, A cyclist feeling endangered should buy a car: As a cyclists you VOLUNTEER to be vulnerable. No need to take this out on motorists. Last time a car rode me of my bike (his bad) he apologized & we shook hands. We BOTH learned from it.
Nomasain 8 months ago
No, the road does not belong to everyone. It is for cars. I can't walk in the middle of the street. I can't drive my car down a bike path. Cyclists antagonize motorists and then act indignant when someone cuts you off who didn't see you cuz you rode in their blindspot for a quarter mile. You endanger your own lives, and more importantly you annoy motorists.
decimvs 8 months ago
@decimvs The road does belong to everyone -- it is not only for cars. We do not have a right to drive a motorized vehicle on the road; that is a privilege. We do, however, have the right to walk, ride horses, ride bicycles, or use any other non-motorized vehicle on the public way. Granted there are a few exceptions (highways notably). While traffic (be it automobile traffic, bicycle, or any other) is annoying, it is part of using a shared resource.
cambridgecyclist 8 months ago
@cambridgecyclist
I live in Portland, OR. Commute by bike is big in this city. 95% of the cyclist on the road think the road belongs to them and only them. They preach how the road belongs to everyone, but then they go and run stop signs, make turns without checking the cross street and then they get pissed at us for not stopping for them or almost hitting them because they're in our blind spot? Sorry but most of the cyclists out there are hypocrites who only care for themselves. (Continued)
pojo205 7 months ago
@pojo205 EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!
sills66 5 months ago
@cambridgecyclist
If the road is for everyone then why is it illegal to walk on the road, or take a horse down the road? oh yeah.. because it isn't everyone's right to be on the road. Roads are designed for cars. Riding a bike on public roads is a privilege too. Again, most cyclists are arrogant for thinking otherwise. If you ride a bike on a public road you share the same laws as a car. If you were almost hit by a car it was more than likely your own fault as a result of your stupidity. (Cont)
pojo205 7 months ago 2
@pojo205 Let me clarify what I mean by right. It is not illegal to walk on the road or take a horse down the road unless it's a highway or a toll road. The roads were made so that people can get from place to place, not so that people can use motorized vehicles on them. Motorized vehicles may be used on the public way as long as the driver is licensed. There is no licensing requirement for pedestrians, horses or non-motorized vehicles. There is no need to resort to name calling.
cambridgecyclist 7 months ago
@cambridgecyclist
When you're a cyclists on public roads you're acknowledging and accepting the dangers of riding with cars. Just because you're on a bike doesn't mean you get special treatment. People get in car accidents everyday because of a cyclist lack of obedience to traffic laws. I've seen cyclists make a left turn from the right hand lane without checking their blind spot and without giving a turn warning because they think they're above motorists. (continued)
pojo205 7 months ago
@cambridgecyclist
They think that motorists need to stop for them because they CHOOSE to ride a bike on roads meant for motorized vehicles. I've also seen cyclists cut in between cars to get to the front. Again, you aren't supposed to do that. Do you see motorcycles doing this? no. And when they do this sometimes they hit a side mirror and then bitch at the driver for damaging their bike. 99% of the time the cyclist is at wrong and at fault. They need to get off their high horse. (continued)
pojo205 7 months ago
@decimvs if a cyclist rides on the sidewalk, they get ticketed.
jesuriah 7 months ago
the cyclist is salty as hell, if that was me, you get 2 options, u call the cops, or be on your way. I would get my bat, if he kept touching my car like in this video, and throw your Gatorade with the cap off, you do that to the wrong person, your ass is getting ran the fuck over.
Djonemore 11 months ago
@Djonemore When somebodydeliberately puts your life in danger just to earn a couple of seconds, you can easily and quickly get out of control. In this kind of situation, I personaly do my best to keep my self control and gently discuss with the guy to make him understand that the manoeuvre was dangerous and criminal. Sometimes they do aknowledge their fault and I get their apologies, sometimes they act like cunts answering by threats and insults.
faridou93 9 months ago 2
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@Djonemore When somebody deliberately puts your life in danger just to earn a couple of seconds, you can easily and quickly get out of control. In this kind of situation, I personaly do my best to keep my self control and gently discuss with the guy to make him understand that the manoeuvre was dangerous and criminal. Sometimes they do aknowledge their fault and I get their apologies, sometimes they act like cunts answering by threats and insults.
faridou93 9 months ago
@Djonemore Of course I don't condone they way the cyclist 's behavior, yelling at the driver and hitting the car, but I can understand his anger. You shloud ride on a bike to see what we experience on a daily basis, and then you will change of mind.
faridou93 9 months ago
@faridou93 you should drive a car to experience what we go through and get a change of mind
MyNameIsDuffmarn 9 months ago
is there a cambridge in america?
thirdlegUK 11 months ago
@thirdlegUK Yes, it's across the Charles River from Boston, and is known for its universities (MIT and Harvard) among other things.
cambridgecyclist 11 months ago
i would throw my gatorade bottle in the car with the lid off and say "fire in the hole!" flip the driver the finger and ride off.
kennybenny 1 year ago
@hazemvirus Let us examine this argument. have you looked at how much urban real estate is dedicated towards the use of cars? This is the city, and space is far too precious to allocate so much of it towards people who want to carry around thousands of extra pounds of weight and metal every time they want to make a trip somewhere. I prefer that cities be built for people, and people sizes, not for cars -- which are dangerous, large, loud, and create pollution.
cambridgecyclist 1 year ago 3
@cambridgecyclist downtown areas you mean, they are terrible! you go with your car and you spend hours to reach wherever you want to go in first place and as you said, loud too big, pollution and even if you pass that traffic jam there is nowhere to park your car, yes i drive in city but i know where the jam is so i park somewhere and i take off my bike where i just hook it on the back of my car and there you go
hazemvirus 1 year ago
@cambridgecyclist How do you suggest we get the supermarket in the middle of the city stocked without using cars or trucks or any other motorised vehicle?
pingpongpung 1 year ago
@pingpongpung I am not sure what you're going for here, but the purpose of this channel isn't to demonstrate that living without cars is eminently practical in every situation. I put this channel together to illustrate the problems that all road users have sharing the road. My vision of a cycling utopia would include opportunities for motorized vehicles to be used where they shine -- in hauling heavy items efficiently -- which isn't what is needed on most trips by most people.
cambridgecyclist 1 year ago 4
@pingpongpung I do it all the time. Yesterday I carried seven bags of groceries on my xtracycle no problem. Even going up some annoying steep hills. All pedal power.
Winkelplextroll 11 months ago
But he's not wearing spandex!
garagecrap 1 year ago
Unless that car can drive sideways, the cyclist has the upper hand. He could smash that car's side window and ride away before the car can turn. Cars aren't as agile as bikes.
EelSacul 1 year ago
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JimTLonW6 1 year ago
Heh, I've done that a few times. I wish I had a video (And plate #) of my Hit n' Run incident.
zapper8999 1 year ago
As a motorist and a cyclist I can see what happened. However the cyclist who do nothing but provoke drivers are the ones I take issue with
MegaBoomcat 1 year ago
ahhhh, nothing tops having a nice conversation during rush hour. :)
thanks for these vids. they make my belly bounce.
subsidinblu 2 years ago
stupid driver
vitunkyrp 2 years ago
I am a cyclist whats this guy wearing to be seen a camoflage brown shirt hope he gets hit properly one day
streamdvd 2 years ago
@streamdvd
You hope he gets hurt?? Thats a bit cruel, theres no evidence to suggest that hiviz clothing gets you noticed. Infact many cyclists in the UK call dayglo tops "cloaks of invisibility"
downfader2 2 years ago
yes as a cyclist and a car driver I am amazed how bad light can camo a cyclist so be seen is still my advice however you may be refering to car drivers who cant see other cars never mind cyclists checkout school run mums and they say women can multi task yes multi hazards more like it.
streamdvd 2 years ago
Yeah thats it really, some people just dont look. I had one driver a few years back who nearly hooked me, she made some claim about hiviz clothing despite me wearing it, LOL!
My brother refers to multitasking as: doing multiple things at the same time, badly. Hehe!
downfader2 2 years ago
I think this new law they are proposing car drivers always at fault would be good as it would save trying to avoid the idiots.
I kicked a guys Roller at Marble arch roundabout when he cut right across me.
Your experience is what I mean as long we cyclists do the right thing not to give car drivers a reason then lets see them in the dock trying to explain it.
streamdvd 2 years ago
Kind of makes you feel sorry for the Roller, LOL! So far the only contact I've made with a car is when they have collided with me (eg wing mirror on one occassion, and slammed into the side of another when he pulled out of a side road)
It was Cycling England that proposed the law change. Wasnt actually about fault but insurance payouts. Didnt stop a load of whingers in the papers. Very funny, like blind panic
downfader2 2 years ago
yes you are right re insurance I still think this countrys idea of cycle lanes is laughable drawing a white line on the edge of the road and saying that protects cyclists. I would ride more except the bastards cant do anything unless they make money out of it a few years ago every train used to have a carriage for the post etc where you put your bike nowadays apparently on most trains you have to book a specific train countrys run by sodding idiots
streamdvd 2 years ago
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who cares if he pulled out in front of him? its a privelage for cyclists to be on the same road.
sbarudzija 2 years ago
It is actually a legally mandated right for bicyclists to use these roads.
cambridgecyclist 2 years ago 13
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i know it's legal smartass but it's a privelage for them to get to have this legal. the cyclists morally has no right to yell at the driver. it just doesn't make much sense. your putting your life in the hands of drunk drivers. people driving while texting and the worst...women. maybe cambridge cyclists can yell at drivers but not in houston. the bikers down here need to take their ass to where your at.
sbarudzija 2 years ago
I am disappointed that you have resorted to name calling instead of continuing intelligent discourse. I'm not sure what happened to cause the cyclist to be so angry and I'm not making a judgement call on it. It makes a lot of sense to me to ride a bicycle instead of use a car. I do think that we are better off encouraging cycling than discouraging it; cyclists use less oil-based energy and use our roads more efficiently. It sounds like Houston could use more facilities to accomodate cyclists.
cambridgecyclist 2 years ago 9
i only called you a smart ass. you have to have a car in houston. i am not against saving energy. that is simply a houstonian sterotype. as if the citizens get a check from exxon.for alot of people it is impossible to ride their bike to work. you don't know much about Houston do you? it's spread out like los angeles.biking especially for sport is dangerous and worsens the already horrific traffic. as for "intelligent discourse" im sure since i'm from texas that i don't know what that means.
sbarudzija 2 years ago
Driving is a privilege. Cycling is a right.
mondaycurse 2 years ago 3
legally you are correct. but i get angry how cyclists act like they own the road. when the roads are not really meant for them. it's just dangerous. there are plenty of sidewalks. driving is a privilege but riding your bike on the same road as drivers is a privilege as well. because at any moment you could get knocked the hell off of your bike by a vehicle. especially if you don't stop at a stop sign. i'm all about going green. but if your going to ride in the street follow the same laws we do.
sbarudzija 2 years ago
I agree with the argument about cyclists needing to follow the laws, but sidewalks are a terrible place to ride. There is a reason it's a sideWALK and not a multi-use path. People are expecting people WALKing (hence the name) at 3MPH and don't expect to see a cyclist there as they back out of a driveway or make a turn.
And technically at any moment, your car could get run over by a school bus, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say there.
mondaycurse 2 years ago
"sideWalk"...i have to hand it to you that was really clever. well it really all depends on where you live, and what area of town you choose to ride. if your in a sprawled out area of town it's probably safer to use te sidewalk. more dense areas of town or the city it is more cyclist friendly regarding the speed limit for motorists. about the safety. i know a bus can run my car over. but it's like a food chain. 18-wheeler, bus, truck, car, pedestrian. that's what i'm trying to say there.
sbarudzija 2 years ago
safer for bikes to use the sidewalk?!! tell that to an old lady with a walker trying to share the sidewalk with a 20mph bike.
it's not a "food chain". you are in a car. you are controlling it. don't hit things. give cyclists space when you pass.
unixd0rk 2 years ago
if you were on a bike and stopped first at a red light with traffic screaming up behind you, what do you think goes through your mind? of course you find a way to make it safely through the light at your own risk. what the heck is so wrong with that? treating cars and bikes the same is silly. we didn't need stops signs, lights, etc until cars came about. use your heads people.
unixd0rk 2 years ago
Use your head dumbass, if you think tangling with 3000 pounds of steel vs your little 20 pounds well just keep it up, sooner or later you'll be bleeding idiot.
KoolWire 2 years ago
i commute 2000 miles or so every year. i've been riding in pittsburgh, pa for about 5 years riding that distance or more without having a single incident of causing an accident. i have been almost plowed over by idiot drivers trying to pass me illegally and take right turns, though. i just happen to have fairly exceptional bike handling skills and good judgment and i know "where not to be". taking the lane at intersections helps idiots not pass dangerously too.
unixd0rk 2 years ago
unixd0rk: you made some good points!! I'm going to start taking the lane at intersections because i've almost been plowed a few times from impatient motorists. They may honk their horns but I want to make it home!!
slickkapone 2 years ago
The road belongs to EVERYONE that pay taxes for it. not just those in cars.
angiersj 2 years ago 25
@angiersj A cyclist with no motor vechicle pays not tax for the road....
noobrider100 1 year ago
@noobrider100 There is not such thing as "ROAD TAX" in the United Kingdom. Go look it up.
xchopp 1 year ago
@noobrider100 There is no such thing as "ROAD TAX" in the United Kingdom. Go look it up.
xchopp 1 year ago
@xchopp yes there is...the tax disc you have to buy every 6 - 12 months and always have on display if for ROAD tax lol
noobrider100 1 year ago
@noobrider100 Nope, sorry, but you are mistaken. Go look it up. Try here: ipayroadtax period com
xchopp 1 year ago
@angiersj
yeah, when they pay license fees and get tabs for their bikes. It's a 2-way road!
BreakfastBentoBox 7 months ago
@angiersj most roads are payed for by GAS tax which is purchased by motor vehicle drivers
Ilikadasauce 6 months ago
@Ilikadasauce Perhaps in the US, but not in the UK - roads are paid for by taxpayers (including income tax, VAT, duty etc.) pretty much anyone who works effectively pays into the roads. Ironically, a lot of cyclists also own cars, so also pay fuel duty and for the tax disc (which some people erroneously call road tax). All this is UK - the US and other countries may vary...
jonboy0011 6 months ago
In the uk they are actually not allowed to ride on the pavement (though many cyclists are fuckwits and ignore every road safety rule out there such as running red lights)
leedsm18 2 years ago
exactly how dangerous is it to YOU if a cyclist safely runs a red light?
likewise, i could give a toss if people run lights in their cars if they really want to. i assume that cars are always going to run a light and endanger me anyway even if i have right of way.
unixd0rk 2 years ago 3
It is very dangerous if my light is green and some fucktard cyclist runs though the opposing red! it causing me to crash... asshole cyclists who pull that crap have no insurance so if they cause me an accident I have to pay!
leedsm18 2 years ago
if it's that dangerous then most people won't do it. how many people do you see crashing their car to avoid a cyclist out there? more than you see caused by other cars themselves? you are worrying about something that is less likely to happen than getting struck by the other motorist behind you. great priorities, there.
i have insurance for my car that would pay for an accident if i caused it, the thing is... there just aren't that many accidents where bikes cause any sort of bad accident.
unixd0rk 2 years ago 2
@leedssm18
Even if a cyclist is uninsured (many actually are through things like club membership, Union membership, household insurance, etc) they can still be made to pay through the small claims courts if you have reasonable evidence they caused the incident.
No driver has to pay for a bad cyclist.
downfader2 2 years ago
@downfader2
The problem with taking somebody to small claims is they can claim to be broke and be put on some pissy payment plan of £10 a week (or less! think of the cost to take this to court and you are looking at years to get paid back... same as if you hit a pedestrian and its their fault)... some may have insurance but I dont think it covers 3rd party liability just against the bike getting trashed/nicked
leedsm18 2 years ago
Courts are pretty good at determining what money you have (a friend of mine was taken to court after he was hit by a driver running a light through a crossing)
Anyway I reckon looking at the numbers its got to be pretty rare so its not even worth worrying about. It bloody hurts, anyway, good deterrant for sticking to rules imo.
downfader2 2 years ago
@sbarudzija It's also a privilege to drive a motor vehicle...
virsunen2 1 year ago
"Later I observed this cyclist riding to the left of the double yellow line...."
When I was younger, I would feel (and be) so rejected from the rules of the road that I couldn't see to point of following _any_ laws when so many people made games out of taunting, harassing, and assaulting bicyclists. Most drivers just pretended that they were above the law. I followed the example of adult motorists and would flaunt the law too.
I've since been following the law better than motorists.
tomwald 2 years ago
Man, if some idiot jumped off his bike and started yelling at me while pounding on my car like that (whatever the reason - everybody makes mistakes), he'd probably be a hood ornament on my car before he rode another twenty feet.
stewartx5 2 years ago
do you just run around filming?
earlober22 2 years ago
I spent three months recording my daily commute to and from work, and extracted the interesting clips.
cambridgecyclist 2 years ago
i love at the end how he says... "you worry about you and i'll worry about me"
i would have just driven as soon has he started yelling
if the cops questiond it would be " self defence beacause he was violent toward me"
mcfakris634 3 years ago