Miniatürk - Turkey - Cradle of Civilisations - Anatolia

[6472Francis]

The music doesn`t match with the pictures

[ZeeGooner]

most of these structures built by Sinan the Armenian, and Balaians the Armenians

Turks learned their architecture from Armenians and Greeks

before they would move around in tents like nomads.

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner That is a fancy story which denies a the history if one of the greatest nations of the world history. It is too much of a fantasy for me. You go on and believe it if it makes you happy :)

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 fancy story okay buddy since ancient times everyone spoke about Armenians

Cicero Plutarch Strabo, they are all liars too??

ive had enough, go look after your child instead, debating with a teenager on the internet, pathetic guy, look how sad you are

hes probably being brainwashed as we speak, save him if you can ;)

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner A tree can bow while it is young. Every single person which we can lead to think a one plus. This is what I do to earn my living :) I open the eyes of the ones with eyes wide shut. It really works. You will never forget our conversation of today your whole life long. It will make you even happier in the future. Don't forget this last words. Take care.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 believe me you wont forget this conversation, you will come back and think to how much lies i was fed

and when the nation of turkey receives its judgment, you will see how many of you wished you understood the truth

the world first map Imago Mundi 6 nations existed Armenia being one of them

today the only nation that exists off of this map is Armenia ;)

there is something special about Armenians you turks will never understand

keep being evil you will see the judgment

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner Imago Mundi did not draw America's and it was full of mistakes which is normal for that period of time. Does it mean that America's did not exist because they were not on Imago Mundi? Besides thinking positive think also logical.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 america lol, Imagi Mundi drew all the existing nations around babylon

Armenia was one of them, to label it as Armenia means the Armenians ethnically as a people

it is you who needs to be logical it was talking about peoples who existed NOT LAND MASS'

today the only people that exist with some land is Armenia, again you turks will never understand the Armenians, but no one has ever been able to destroy us, you turks came close

and you azeris and turks are trying again

BUT WILL FAIL

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner You were and are no threat for us. Why should we destroy you. We have not destroyed anyone. We brought civilization from one continent to the other. Europe woke up by our call from a deep sleep to create the Renaissance. They were thinking that we were inhuman, gods soldiers and invincible. Read once Erasmus if you can buy that in Armenia. You will understand what I mean.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 hahaha, you did not bring a civilization from the steppe please what did you bring explain it to me??? tents?? dont be silly

stop reading Turkish books read western books, read books by non turks, read books from russians, persians, greeks, germans, english

you will see the truth then

if you keep reading turkish scholars you will be brainwashed like you are

however a few have spoken out LIKE ORHAN PAMUK

like sibel edmonds the list can go on Turkeys best authors ;)))

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner In Turkey everyone is free to say what they think about a topic. There is a freedom of expression. That Orhan Pamuk says thet the Turks killed 1 million armenian's doesn't mean that it is true or let alone it was a genocide. I am writing these from Brussels the very heart of Europe because I am stationed here and I have red many Western or Eastern scholars about the so called genocide. In Turkey you won't found any work of scholars because there is no such thing to write about.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 i'm done here, you are paid to argue with people and try and "debunk" them but just know that you executed your job unsuccessfully, infact revealing your job is proof that turks are paranoid, and obsessed with keeping their image "pure"

its really funny actually, im done one day you will come to realize the wrongs of your ancestors and one day, the deniers will face judgement

keep in mind that i see right through your "peaceful" approach and it didnt work

hope you have success ;)

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner Truth is truth and it won't change. You are still too young but you will get older and also wiser I hope.

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner Take care, visit Miniaturk once :) Find out the Armenian buildings in it. And have chat with the people who are brilliant to find even such a admirable name for their mini country ;) It will make your horizon wider.

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner There are though many independent works about the Ermen Mezalimi(Armenian Terrorism) starting from late 19th century and going on untill 1915 when we have relocated them to our Hicaz province. Only the armenian's from the eastern parts of Anatolia were relocated none from the major cities or from the western provinces. They actually still live today in Turkey. If the French and British had not occupy our Hicaz province most of the so called dead Armenian's would still be in Turkey.

[sadrazam1]

The minority complex of people who call them self Armenian and Greek is a very interesting topic to study for sociologists. There chairs who are studying this in the universities of Turkey and many other western countries. You-tube is the best place to observe the results of this complex.

[ZeeGooner]

all built by armenians and greeks ! turks are just dumb ass mongols.

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner I have been to Armenia and Greece, haven't seen any of the structures coming close to the ones in Turkey. Probably because they have destroyed them rather then preserving and protecting like we do. All of past civilizations of Turkey belongs to the Turk as they are successor nation at this part of the world. The Turks of Turkey are a melting pot of all these cultures from the past. Calling yourself Greek or Armenian does not mean that you are close to the ancient Greeks or Armenians.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 Sinan the Ottoman Turks' most famous and best architect historically was Armenian, Balaians, basically built modern day turkey, the two most famous architects in history for the Turks were both Armenian

you learnt from Armenians and Greeks how to build this is a fact

before you came to anatolia, you were nomads who would move around the world in your tents FACT

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner As long as you will keep thinking as racists you will never understand the true meaning of belonging to a nation. You are too far from our level of civilization. In our culture nationality is in your heart and mind. The fact that a lot of Turks are born as Armenian's, Greek, German's, Polish etc. etc. does not change the fact that they have chosen to be Turks and Muslims. In contemporary Turkey being a Turk has nothing to do with bloodlines. It is still in our hearts.

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner Besides Ottoman's gave the possibility to Armenian and Greek children to study to become such architects. Do you think that they were born architects or learned it from their daddies at home how to build mosques and palaces? If you feel proud from the fact that these great people have Armenian or Greek roots be proud, why not? We don't mind, maybe one day people like those could bring us once more together rather being hostile to each other. By the way one of my son's name is Sinan.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 again wrong, Sinan was forced to become an Architect he was from Adana historically an Armenian region of the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia, Sinan was already a trained architect living in an Armenian community, he wasnt taught by the turks, but on the contrary taught the Turks, however the Balaians i agree they were brought up in an Ottoman society, but already came from a wealthy merchant Armenian family from Constantinople, modern day Istanbul was architected by Balaians.

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner You can not change the historical facts to a story that you would like to hear. Sinan was born in 1489 in Kayseri and he was attended to Enderun(the Palace University in Istanbul) in 1511 as a young student. It is also not clear if he was Armenian or Greek because at that time only religion was used to be noted on persons identity. Not the ethnic group. He was thought to be an architect at Enderun. He served the empire as a military architect until 1548 when he build a civil building.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 he was Armenian, hence he begged for his family to be saved in an Armenian village this was a fact. Many Armenians were stolen in Harem in Jannisary corps and brought up as Turks, infact many Turks living today, even yourself, you could be labeled as a Turk but you could have Armenian Greek or Slavic origins. Ask yourself this, do i look altaic? like how the original Turks would have looked like? if not then you could very well have Armenian Greek or slavic origins

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner This is the part that you guys can't understand. Being a Turk from Turkey has nothing to do with your racial background. All people who are born and living in Turkey as its citizens are considered to be Turks. If they say that they are not Turks that's ok. Let them be whatever they would like to be but they will still be Turkish citizens. We don;t have blood bound to our nation and state. Apparently this is different at your place. Racism is a sickness we don't know on this soil.

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner My ancestors one side comes from Crimea the other from Bulgaria. I have Slavic features as blond hair, green eyes as 30% of people of Turkey, but I am a full-blood Turk as you would like to hear. And no one, no single soul would ever question that. I know Turks who are black, our pearls from the glorious days in Fizan, Trablus, Binghazi,(Africa), or Swedish sweet memories from the shores of Donau or Volga, or like Arabs the sand storms from the deserts of Yemen. This is our strength.

[ZeeGooner]

secondly Sinan was forced to become a MUSLIM, he converted under the turkish harem, there was nothing glorious about the way you got Sinan to educate and teach you the wonders of Armenian architecture, as a truce he BEGGED the Turks during the 16th or 15th century to not kill his family in Adana and spare the Armenians from there, instead he would build. Of course that incident had nothing to do with the genocide, but Turkish persecutions occurred rarely during then, and escalated later

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner Secondly he was a great architect but he did not teach the architecture to the Ottomans nor to the Turks. He actually followed and integrated the byzantine style to already existing Turkish Islamic architecture. Which is accepted as the unique Ottoman style that followed until today. Thousands of children would like to attend the Enderun. They were not forced but chosen to attend it. Of course some peasants didn't like to loose one son who would work in their farms.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 Ottomans didnt not have a unique architecture my friend please dont fool yourself so you feel more comfortable about your "achievements" again he integrated Armenian and Byzantine architecture, and added Arabic concepts you islamize the look of your architecture.

He wasnt chosen again, no Armenian was chosen to be brought up as a Turk or muslim they were forced

again i ask you this

go look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself, am i altaic?

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner Ottoman's do have a unique architecture and you actually can admire it traveling from the marvelous rose gardens at Turbeh of Gul Baba Estergom in Hungary to the shiny marbles of Taj Mahal in Agra India.You can reborn your soul at a glance of the bridge of Mostar,and clean it if you attend a Bayram morning at Suleymaniye.You could even slick your little tongue of you visit Selimiye in Edirne and talk again when you see Anitkabir in Ankara.Open your mind there is so much beauty around.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 Taj Mahal is not Ottoman LMAOOOO

wow that was built by the Muguls, who were Turkic, but the architects and builders were INDIAN !

wow you are funny im not even going to argue with someone so silly, again in the land of Turkey today, modern day constantinople was contrsucted by Balians , the fusion between Byzantine and Armenian, and Arabic architecture was done by Sinan the Armenian, the two fathers of Ottoman or Turkish architecture were both Armenian

brainwashed guy

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner Sinan's building has nothing to do with old armenian architecture. Actually architecture of the Seljuk Turks are very similar to old Urartu style. Ottoman style is more inspired by the Byzantium but of course very unique. You guys are living in an imaginary world. I would recommend you to visit Turkey once and get to know some real people rather than the ones in your bedtime stories. You could actually like them.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 hahaha old Urartu style please stop being fed propaganda, the only scholars on earth who dont believe Urartuians werent Proto-Armenians are Turkish ones, strictly out of ethnocentrism and jealousy. the Seljuks did not have architecture themselves, actually the only time they flourished is when they entered IRAN, they learned from the Persians the majority of the time

Urartu architecture is Ancient Armenian, and has nothing to do with seljuks what so ever

stop fooling yourself please

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner Most of the remnants of Urartu architecture are still seen in eastern Turkey today. I have not said that they were not Armenian, you did. Urartu are believed to have a relation with the Armenian's but that is as close as the possible relation between the Sumerian's and the Turks. They are an extinct civilization with a major gap.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 Sumerians were not Turkic please pleas, dont feed yourself bullshit this is getting ridiculous no western scholar believes Sumerians were Turkic, ONLY TURKS DO!

Urartuians as a proven fact were prot-Armenians, Diankanoff, the most famous Urartu scholar admits this

such as the Urartu word for apple was "Xntzor" the Armenians use "Xntzor" too

Urartu used the word "Tzi" for horse, Armenian use "Tzi" for horse many many more.

please stop being brainwashed its sad :/

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner Who is getting ridiculous now? If you prove by two similiar words that Armenian's and Urartu are the same I would prove you more easily that Turks and Inca's are the same. Because there are more than 400 words similar in both languages. Grow up please. Stop dreaming, face the facts. Armenian's are small unsuccessful minor ethnic group, oppressed between major powers around them. Have no access to open seas have no future to look upon with a tall tale to hold on to survive. That's it.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 yup keep dreaming, thats what you were taught in your brainwashed propaganda schools, and your son sinan will be brought up

Urartuians were Proto-Armenians before you Turks had an empire, we Armenians ruled Anatolia, with King Tigranes,

as cicero said the roman historian

" He King Tigranes the Great made Rome tremble, to the prowess of his arms"

jealousy is all you, have we Armenians have been so successful that it drives you TURKS NUTS THAT YOU DIDNT FINISH THE JOB ;d

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner That you even can compare our history is the greatest joke of all evening. :) Grow up be a man and face the facts as they are. Maybe you can make it a better for the coming generations.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 Armenian history is greater and richer,

Ottoman Turks success was through foriegners NOT TURKS

Jannisaries = Greeks Armenians Bulgarians Serbians

Architects= Armenians and Greeks

all you had was the harem where you would rape and steal women that was your only success

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner If Turks had so many nations under one rule and united them to fight for the same cause you should show them a great respect. Turks ruled whole mid east with only 1000 men, in Palestine there were 100 only for 5 centuries. Still today if there no clashes in a very important church in Jerusalem between Greeks ans Armenian's it is due to a sultans ferman(law) dating from the 16th century which trusts the key of the church to a Jewish family. Think about that harmony. Think positive.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 i thought you were going, you have something to prove dont you??

you feel the guilt dont you?? haha typical you just cant face it, jealousy racism rules your waves

The Ottomans brought nothing but destruction and hatred converted churches to mosques

stole women and children from families, yes you had some good things i agree, again this was the reforming minds of the young people brought up as turks, but had again ARMENIAN BULGARIAN GREEK SERBIAN ORIGINS

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner You are racist. Nothing more nothing less. You are the type who divides people according to their skin color. This is actually a sickness coming out of the Bible. Really sad to even realize that we have borders with such countries.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 I am racist lmaoo, really, is that why i have dozens of black friends, dozens of indian friends, im white, does that automatically make me a racist??

all you turks do is put words in peoples mouths, because you can never face reality, you just want to make yourself feel comfortable and relaxed by these baseless pointless remarks, but its not working :D

Turks are notorious racists, you wont even allow Kurds equality hence you always attack them.

you disgust me

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner Do you have Turkish friends? I have many Armenian friends, some of them we grew up in the same neighborhood. They would defend Turkey as furious as me. Maybe even more furious.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 i live in london, in north london many turks live here, believe it or not, my brothers girlfriend was a Turkish girl

we never talked about Politics to her never brought it up, and likewise when my brother went to her house, they aren't together anymore, but they were for 2 years, and never had problems

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner Well do you have a Turkish friend?

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 i thought you were going?? i guess you cant handle the guilt, you are trying to feed more propaganda

what you should really do is take care of your baby sinan, you never know what tv shows he could be watching in Turkey as we speak feeding him propaganda as we speak

believe me one day you will face reality and understand everything, you are just blind and confused, you will see the light, it will eventually arrive to you.

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner I wish you can hear the truth one day and find finally the peace within. You should not worry about my children they are in good hands. Worry about yours which I hope you will ever have who you will fill up with hatred and tales towards other nations like the Turks, Azeris or Georgians. Don't do that if you don't want him to have same minority complex as yo have. Leave him free to judge him self when he grows up.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 truth doesnt hurt, i will teach my son when i have one what has happened in the past, you Turks love to hid the past all you teach them

is ottoman this, ottoman that, this was built by a " Turk" i will teach my son the truth, and he will judge for himself if it is truth or not

your son isnt in good hands

someone who says Kurds shouldnt be privileged is not in good hands, you are just as racist as Nazi Germans, and you disgust me keep feeding your lies to the world, you will see

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner Yes why should Kurds become privileged by having Kurdish newspapers and TV stations in Kurdish while more than 32 other ethnic groups in Turkey would not have that privilege? Turkey belongs to Turks this does not mean they are all racially Turks. They are all Turkish citizens and they all have to speak Turkish as citizens of that country. Just like in France or England or else where in a serious country.

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner I thought you were stopping with reacting. I am not going anywhere. It is my job to defend the name and image of my country. I am a kind of public relations representative of Republic of Turkey. We spent money to defend our ancestors and their children. And as I already said it works. It is good for brainwashed people like you to hit your head sometimes to someone who tells the truth. It is good to see that the field is not empty for you to lie around. That's what we do ;)

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 haha you actually have agents that try and defend Turkey's image LMAOOOOO

you guys are so insecure sooo guilty you actually pay people to defend Turkey's image wooow

this is more proof to how backwards and ridiculous your government is

you will find out soon believe me

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 NOW go teach your little pathetic son, to be a brainwashed fool like how your father taught you.

and get out of here

everyone knows that turks are the laughing stocks of the world

y

you believe Sumerians are Turks LOLLLLLL

AMERICA WAS FOUND BY TURKS LOLLLLLL

please man do us a favor and take your head out of this dream world you live in

you delusional NOMADIC MONGOL

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner I haven't say that sumerians are Turks but you said that Urartu are Armenian's. Sumerian's though had a very similar alphabet and language as the Huns. Which are related to the Turks. So it is not out of options that they have to do something with Ural Altaic peoples. In theory as the Armenian's with the Urartu.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 no wrong Sumerians did not speak similar to Huns again outright bullshit, they were semetic and an Aryan fuse, they had nothing to do with Altaic peoples what so ever, stop reading Turkish books READ SOMETHING OTHER THAN TURKISH BROADEN YOUR MIND STEP OUTSIDE OF THIS BRAINWASHED SYSTEM

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 when the seljuks entered anatolia, they learned from Armenians, hence one of the first cities they attacked was Ani, the Armenian city of 1001 churches, they left some cathedrals, and converted them to mosque's because they were marveled by the beauty of the building, they learned and adapted man aspects of armenian ancient architecture from Ani and Van

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner Why is it surprising that Turks would some from Armenian's? It does not disturb me. Our ancestors were conquerers with tolerance. We have mixed with the cultures who were on our way. We did not destroy them as many others did like in America's. Of course while we "learned architecture from the Armenian's" maybe we gave them something else. Are you open minded at least as me to accept that fact?

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 have you ever thought to yourself, that maybe Armenians would get along with Turks if they didnt have this ethnocentric doctrine, to call turks loving and accepting is ridiculous, i understand there are many Turks out there who are down to earth and can fit these descriptions, but you must understand the more turks individually and at the government level deny the genocide, you will never get along with Armenians ever. i hope you bring your son up to be open minded, unlike most turks.

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner :)) This was the best part. 99% of the common Turks on street would not accept such the tallest tale of all times as reality. You will never ever hear from an open minded or narrow minded Turks that he would accept your tale as reality. We know our own history very well, we know what really happened before and during WWI. We know that at least 400.000 Turks were killed by armenian Komitaji's couple of cities like Van were ripped off the map by help of Russian etc. Wake up it is time.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 everyone knows the propaganda you are fed, and do you know what we are never going to get along, until your brainwashed ethnocentric mind set is gone

many turks SMART ONES scholarly ones, like Orhan Pamuk, the list can go on, all spoke out SIBEL EDMONDS the Turkish FBI agent, the list can go on all admit about the genocide

funny its always the intellectual's who speak out about the genocide ;D

of course your common man on the street is brainwashed ALL THEY SEE IS TURKIYE thats it

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner Who is fed with propaganda here? I am not the who are raising whole new generations around the tales tale and the biggest lie of all times. It is not my number one cultural aspect to hate any nation and brainwash young innocent minds with hatred, revenge and atrocity towards others. I common Turk would maybe hear twice the genocides as in the Balkans and Eastern Anatolia by committed by Armenian's on his ancestors. We are not a hateful nation as you are. You should be happy about it.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 hateful nation? ya sure buddy, we see what you do to the Kurds, dont try and fool people that you arent a hateful people it is evident on youtube that Turks are majority maniacs

Hrant Dink killed by typical nationalist turks

Kurds being killed everyday in Turkey for being Kurds

Human rights laws being abused in Turkey

we saw how MHP went and prayed in ANI to purposely make the Armenians government

not only is your government hateful, but the majority of your people are too

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner Muhahahah Kurds being killed because they are Kurds. You are really silly. In Turkey Kurds even have newspapers and TV stations in Kurdish.Which I find abnormal.Because it makes them a privileged ethnic group.You can not stop every fanatic to not to shoot another fanatic.When Hrant was killed by a marginal like him self 100.000 people walked on the street of Istanbul carrying his masques and posters shouting we are all Hrant.Could this happen in Erivan if a Turk gets shot by a maniac?

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 look at your statement you are testimony to how much of a fool you are, you dont wont to call Kurds a "Privileged ethnic group" look at that hahaha i dont even have to argue with you, that statement there is proof, to how ridiculous how ethnocentric, racist and mad you turks are, no wonder everyone dislikes Turks, all you have are your Azeris, your Georgian slaves, and thats it..

just think why so many hate you, its because all thats in you guys is OUTRIGHT EVIL, pure EVIL

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner Puhhahaha you have just named three neighbors of yours by naming Azeri's and Georgions. How come that "everybody hates us" but your two only neighbors??? :)))) You are so pathetic.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 yes Azeris hate us because they cant face the facts as well, and plus they are turks, your vassal puppet state ;) which u use against us, ONE DAY BELIEVE ME ONE DAY TURKEY IS GOING TO FACE ITS JUDGMENT MARK MY WORDS.

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner So if you will wait Turks to accept a lie to become friends then you will wait till the end of times. Because we Turks are less afraid from a snake than from a lie. I would recommend you to come to Turkey again. Study from our open archives about the Armenian revolts and the "tehcir". Turkey is calling many times to go to an international court about the topic. But of course Armenia is not responding.Your archives are not even open. If you have some open them. Let us study the reality

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 why should we look at Turkish archives, thats a one sided point a view. Its not a lie, thats what you are fed to believe since a young age, you dont understand how the system in Turkey is constructed to brainwash you and trick and fool you. The only snake here is the Turks, who actually asked the Azeris to make up the Kojali "genocide" spending millions for actors making it look professional so Armenians could look bad, the only liar here is you, brainwashed chess figure

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner I am not fed about any Armenian from my childhood. Armenia or Armenian is nothing but side show in my history. One of the many. There is no time to fed our children up with Armenian tales. Most Turks would hear it when they start to read political news in the newspapers or sometimes on the news. It is not a hot topic at all. Most Turks would think actually about the Armenian terrorism in the 70's and 80's which killed more then 60 innocent diplomats abroad when they hear Armenian.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 thats the difference between Armenians and Turks we attack POLITICAL FIGURES, you murder civilians

my great grandfather died in the genocide, are you saying his death was a lie???

many first account stories of women being raped in front of their children TURKS ARE NOTORIOUS FOR RAPE JUST GO TO GERMANY SEE HOW MANY TURKS GET DEPORTED AND PUT IN JAIL FOR RAPE

its a common thing for you to do it

my friend the only brainwashed guy here is you, WHO CANT FACE REALITY.

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner My great grand father's defended their country against aggressors within or from outside. He is not killed but many others unfortunately were. In every war you have victims the question which we should ask here is why did the Armenian's revolt after living 1000 years next to each other with the Turks? Maybe they were motivated by the idea of having an independent Armenia?? No? So if they did it was civil war. And in a war you always have people killed. Sadly.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 it wasnt 1000 years firstly again more bullshit, the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia fell in 1444 roughly, so it was around 500 years, not 1000, thirdly we had no choice, what could we do, we were a christian people surrounded by Muslims, with a small population, back then everyone was ignorant, like the turks today. We could not fight and be free against everyone, our population was always small, because we never reproduced like rats. if we had the chance we would, be we couldnt

[sadrazam1]

@ZeeGooner The little Armenia in Kilikya was tolerated from 1199 to 1375 as a vassal state within the Seljuks. It had no meaning at all until it became a problem during the Crusaders. You were never and still no match to The Turks.

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 wrong, it was not a vassal to the Seljuks infact Levon the Magnificent of Armenia destroyed the Seljuks, it was the Egyptians who destroyed Cilicia, and actually the city states were destroyed in 1375, but the hills were still in control of Armenian Nobles (Narxarars) since 1444 ;)

we are no match, because all you is produce like rats, we armenians dont spawn babies every second. ;)

[ZeeGooner]

@sadrazam1 it wasnt civil war, Armenians were being persecuted for all the wrong reasons, half of Armenia was in the Russian empire, the Russians used Georgian Armenian, EVEN AZERI TURK soldiers to fight against the Turks, the Turks saw what the Christians did to them in the Balkans and they got scared that the Armenians would do the same to them in Anatolia, so their solution was genocide, to wipe them out so no future problem would occur, DONT LIE TO YOURSELF

[sadrazam1]

Oh really? Who built Selimiye, Sultanahmet, Yivli Minare, Ulu cami, Anitkabir, Bosphorus Bridges, Ataturk Airport, Ataturk Olympic Stadium, Topkapi, Dolmabahce, Beylerbeyi, Ciragan Palace's, Canakkale War memorium etc. etc. You should be happy that people of Turkey are hospital and kind enough to preserve the monuments of others who passed on our soil. We are not cultural barbarians as you guys are to destroy them because we don't have a minority complex as you do.

[aerudi]

Everything was there BEFORE the Turks came.

[drifter8187]

there is rarely anything turkish in turkey....Greek, Roman, Armenian, Etruscan etc artifacts and ruins.....so you get the drift

[kzd444]

Etruscans are turks genetically. proved by scientists.

[drifter8187]

Just because fall under the same group with etruscans that doesnt mean etruscan=turks lol....it just means seljuks and mongols did a great job mixing with local populations. Why do you think many parts of turkey people look like asian....think again.

[utkua]

Which pars of Turkey have you ever been. I tell you, none, Turks do not look like asians, Turks and Asian connection is barely detectable, 9% actually, check any credible resource, you can find on wikipedia or something plenty of them. Turks are the anatolians culturally changed by Turkics. Turk are not in history, you are even dumber I thought, Turk word itself started being used after 18th century, so it is normal not to see no ancient civilization with that name, anadolians have many names

[drifter8187]

Proved by turkish scientists? ( that doesnt tell me anything) post some valid links of your claims please. Also google turkish DNA. you will see that (there is no such thing as turkish dna. turkish dna=mixtures of dna from surrounding european countrys and eastern nations.

[kzd444]

actually many people knew as you before. but the last studies showed that nowdays turks in western turkey have the same dna with ancient Etruscans. maybe they were islamized later. i dont know but the evidence is real. check wiki or washingtonpost ect. i read many places.

[drifter8187]

Etruscans were closely related to the Trojans, who lived in an area of what is now northwestern Turkey until ca. 1200 BCE. However, the Turks were a Altaic group who did not even arrive in what is now Turkey until ca. 1200 CE. The Etruscans were not Turkish!

[sadrazam1]

@drifter8187 Different tribes of Turks moved from central asia to all directions of the world for a much longer period of time then most of us know. The very proof of this is the close DNA and cultural similarities between the Turks of Europe and Asia and the Indian's of America's. There similar lingual and cultural aspects such as religion, legends and customs which are similar between these people. So Etruscans being a Turkish tribe is not that unrealistic due to their similar alphabet.

[drifter8187]

There were absolutly 0 Turks in Asia minor during the period in which the Etruscans are said to have been there.

Turks were no where near western asia during that period. So to assume that the Etruscans were not Turks, would be a correct assumption. The dna only connects them to the area, not to Turks. Turks obviously moved into the area, and mixed with the people who were already there, after the Etruscans left. Ofcourse the ancient dna would exist in modern day inhabitants of asia minor.

[kzd444]

your definition of nowaday's turk depending on language. i am talking about DNA.

[drifter8187]

it is not *my definiotion* as you said. It is the *only definition*. I am not pulling this stuff out of my A i am just pointing out historical FACTS.

I am done teaching history here. If you wish to deny your TRUE turkish identity and preffer to be etruscan than i got nothing to say.

[kzd444]

i do not have problem with being from any ethic group. i do not feel inferior to ethnic groups, maybe some persons like einstein. i appreciate him not all the jews. One should search fot the truth when it comes to histıry i suppose. I jsut serach for the truth and scientific researches show that i have link with anatolia. but i also have link with africans i know.

[utkua]

Proven by Italian scientist actually, how ironic. The research states that Etruscans are close to ACTUAL people living in Turkey, what the hell are you talking about by telling maybe before etc. Just try to read before spreading dumb racist ideas.

[IowaArmen]

you forgot the celtic peoples who migrated to asia minor during the middle bronze age.

[GreekPower1987]

candle of civilasation turkey? come on we speak for nation with 3 genocides .

btw agia sofia is greek church for huntrend years.

[ElitBurada]

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[ChinaStax]

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