@CNN911Fakes "Very different" in what sense? Because they don't look like the usual film camera lens flare? They move and look just like the real thing. Rather than say CNN doctored or produced these images digitally (a lot of effort for such a short piece of film that shows nothing), I wager the triangle shaped flare you see is a factor of the camera or lens. Why don't you do some more research rather than jumping to conclusions. p.s. what is the drawing you're talking about?
@jalderwood you're actualy wrong on that. i watched your little Star Trek video too. Lense flares would move and change shape as the camera moved. idk what it is but it's not a lense flare.
Now let me give you some reality. It is reality I have had to live with for nearly eight very long years. I was there that day in New York. I was on the street and just happened to look up. I watched in horror as that first plane struck. I stood stunned for several minutes then saw the second plane strike. I saw people falling to their deaths. I watched both towers colapse. I later learned my wife died in tower one. I get the distinct impression you don't think that happened.
i live in queens, my gf at the time worked uptown, my mother worked ACROSS THE STREET, and they all saw it. I was at the hospital picking up my grandfather that day.. standing in the parking lot at the hospital IN QUEENS, i could see the smoke billowing from the towers in the sky. anyone who thinks it didn't actually happen and that everything was faked is in need of some serious psychological counseling.
looks like a genuine lens flare to me, ESPECIALLY if it was filmed from across the river. if you're zooming across the river, you only have to turn the camera a few millimeters to move your frame drastically. get any camera with a zoom lens, focus on something a mere 100 feet away, and set it in a spot where the lens flares, then turn it slightly, youll see the flare doesnt move, but youre now facing a completely different area. looks genuine to me
The lens flare moves as the camera moves. Note how the "triangles" as you put it shift slightly and move closer together - exactly how a lens flare should.
Come on CNN911Fakes - you're not even trying any more to convince people. You have over 150 videos and not a single one proves anything.
Why not take more time over your next video, properly analyse it and report this analysis THEN may be people might listen to you.
Fakery TV - All Lies All The Time on the Tell Lie Vision
Operation Mickey Mouse was the best they could come up with. I have seen the enemy and he is a fool
Sure he is the military industrial complex and he owns and controls the entire media industrial complex from satellites on down to the repeaters on the streets but his whole empire is built upon lies, fraud, deception & brute force
Once the trained primates wake up from China to Chicago things will change but not until
I certainly agree it very much looking like that ... good observation.
I would enterain two control centres ... re the nose out shot on CNN being covered up with a banner, and the fox version not being covered up and thus showing the infamous "nose out shot".
The triangles look totally natural to me, lens flare. It's sloppy for a pro to let it happen, but they do adapt to every move/angle in the right direction. They are not fixed, check the places where the triangles touch eachother, you'll see the exact movement that should occur. Sorry.
Light reflects in between the lenses and depending on the kind of lenses/distance, you'll see more or less change.
LiteWaiter but they do adapt to every move/angle in the right direction. They are not fixed, check the places where the triangles touch eachother, you'll see the exact movement that should occur.
Really? And if the camera panned 90-degrees to the right, would the lens flares follow along, as well?
The camera panned AWAY from the sun. How could a lens flare keep up with that?
"...but they do adapt to every move/angle in the right direction. They are not fixed, check the places where the triangles touch eachother, you'll see the exact movement that should occur...."
Really? And if the camera panned 90-degrees to the right, would the lens flares follow along, as well?
The camera panned AWAY from the sun. How could a lens flare keep up with that?
"The camera panned AWAY from the sun. How could a lens flare keep up with that?"
So what? As long as there is a light source (stray light) on the surface of the lense it MAY couse these reflections. The way this one behaves looks like a very powerfull telelens. I would have expected more reflections, however this situation is still immaginable.
It seems you don't have a clue what you're talking about. This flare behaves exactly as to expected when panning away from the sun.
how about bring in an experienced photographer and ask them to analyze the video. I have seen this very thing many times when shooting and frequently have to adjust my shot to avoid this. In a place with lots of reflective surfaces you can get this from nearly any source. To know for sure, you would need to know precisely where the camera is located, the precise time of day this was filmed, where the sun was, then do a lot of triganometry.
I said: "The camera panned AWAY from the sun. How could a lens flare keep up with that?"
And your reply, in short: This flare behaves exactly as to expected when panning away from the sun.
Expected by whom? I set up a camera on a tripod and created a lens flare, then panned away from the sun. And guess what? The lens flare didnt keep up with the pan!
no what I was trying to explain is that the brand of camera you indicated took this video was incorrect based on the assumptions you made and what that type of camera is intended for and how it has to be mounted. It does not get mounted on a tripod
That's on a tripod for sure. It wiggled after each movement. Hand movements won't do that. You can tell he panned sideways twice and then up once. The image at the end was from the zoom. When you reach near the limit, the image will always shake more, even on a tripod.
But that still doesn't explain the images.
You know, I bet YougeneDebs could find out exactly where that shot is coming from. Have you sent him a copy of this?? He could probably give you the age of the cameraman.
Consider it done. I'm sure he'll be able to give an approximate locatoin if not an exact one. He's damn good at triangulation. In fact, he could probably even give the position of that plane that dove into the Hudson River with respect to this take.
toeg1 The camera was likely in the Merrill Lynch Building 101 Hudson Street Jersey City; the viewing angle fits. The building is 548 ft tall.
Also, the age of the cameraman was 33 years old (approx).
Heres a quote from Wiki: In the hours and days after September 11, 2001, Z-100 positioned their Studio Cam towards the window so listeners could get an up to the minute view of what was happening at Ground Zero. [wiki/WHTZ]
Aren't those triangles of light coming from the camera lens? If that is the case, then tracking won't change it. Panning will because the angle is different.
The various colors instead of a full scale prism could come from the impurities of the glass itself. It's been a while since I've been involved in that much detail.
I don't see enough footage to arrive at a conclusion from this. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see enough to decide either way.
Yes, clean lenses. It could still occur, but not as likely. It went too fast for me to see how much the angle changes. That would be the key for me.
It's just that I hear a voice from a 78 rpm record being played at 16 (that's how we used to describe them) and I can't figure out the speed of the camera nor the duration of the actual shot. Hey, I've got two brain cells to work with here, gimme a break. They say, "If you remember the 60s, you weren't part of them." I don't remember squat.
Yes I've been racking my brains on it to ... background shot was on a blue screen intermediary screen (overlays foreground when required) live interviews (when required) multiple cameras So in this case Lighting specfic to blue screen only (lighting on) Lighting for intermediary screen (lighting off/on?) Live interviews (lighting off/on?) Conflict of lighting ??? Intermediary screen moved prematurely for next set??? Note: Intermediary screen very close to blue screen.
One of my unanswered questions to myself was "where are the lens flares ?",I was sure that if someone could find one it could have been a good proof cause the 3D programs that simulate them (like Cinema 4D) usually do a bad job.
If slow brains are under the wrong impression that these are "regular" lens flares they can show their point making a brand new video with the very same effect.
Sorry for the F word, just seemed the right word, but again I feel it was inappropriate knowing your stance on bad language and I also like to express my mind without bad language. I've removed the post because it didn't need to stay. One thing I would like to ask if you will indulge me, will you post up the full section of video, before the effect is seen until it disappears please.
You want me to demonstrate this effect, well that great, I've got to spend my time finding the exact camera used, or it will be differently shaped, because its the lens making the shape. So you probably knew I couldn't do it, that's why you asked. I can show you what another lens will do if I point it at a bright light, you will get a similar effect but not the same. I could go on all day why this whole TV Fakery thing is pure bullshit but you probably know that already but need time to.....
I did say the right camera didn't I, then I said lens, that just messing with what I said. I agree I have posted on this through the day. I gave a good definition of lens flare on this video. My point I was making is its a normal lens flare on this video, end of story, there is nothing too it.
I hope you don't mind me commenting on your deleted post because you mention that its a static lens flare and so did CNN911Fakes, wrong, it does move like you would expect when panning to the right.
0:56 to 0:57,yes it moves slightly,now let me see with an example of your choice the very same ratio of movement between a fast panning cam using a long focal view (could we agree on this or in your book it's a 25mm in the hands of an angel very close to the tower?) and its lens flares.
Are you afraid of something?
To read the instructions of a cam cannot harm you.
Let me *see* how "a *normal* lens flare" looks to you.
whatever zoom (or telephoto or fisheye) focal length,brand of camera or other things you will want to add to make your task even harder so that it seems impossible (....)"So you probably knew I couldn't do it, that's why you asked.(....)
He won't. Like all shills/infiltrators, he started with the blanket statement that he could duplicate it with any camera (the now deleted post you first responded to).
Then when called to do it, the excuses start to roll of his forked tongue like uncooked peas.
let (1984) youroom101 shows how low his IQ can be,nowadays even a 4 years old kid is able to grasp how to use a cam,perhaps he's still too busy learning to read ; )
I'm none of the above name calling, I've just made a short video, but its not going to convince anyone because I've used a bright light to do it, not the sun like in the video. I would have to wait until the next sunny day to do it properly. The video is only showing the shape of the effect that's all. It will move fast if I move the camera because its so close to the light. Anyway I hope I've gone some way to show I can demonstrate the effect.
i think this image was probably taken from the up floors of some building... uh... let me see... in NJ? maybe that hotel at Hudson street or from the roof of the Grove Point Cond., i don't know! but... surely taken from a lower POV with the WTC between the camera and the sun... pretty consistent to the lens flare!
i think all was faked... but planes have flown into the buildings.... how can you say that people that saw the planes fly in , lie? how can you say that all the videos with the planes... and i although mean amateur videos could be faked??? a plane hit in... but the plane itself wasnt maybe an american airlines...or it was controlled by a ground system....
I will match my best witness against your best witness and use FBI witness qualification standards to judge them. My witnesses, who were there at the base of the twins at 9:03 and recorded live all said "no planes"
All the videos we have have been proven faked.
Crimes are not an appropropriate filed for blue sky hypothecating. Real people died. Real people are becoming more oppressed.
oh my gosh... thats to much for mee.. this is fucking amazing that all of them are fake... all... that was a fucking job to fake them for sure.... thanks for the information...
If anything your video shows how real the footage is because why would any faker bother to put in lens flare patterns when it might be seen as fake, but the real effect of a camera system showing the problems of that technology is very real and easily understood by professional camera operators. You are working to hard to find things wrong, why not look to see what is real instead. A good investigator looks at the overall picture, and uses the services of professional people to help them out.
I'm not suggesting that there is no conspiracy in the video's, just that we can read more into things than was intended. The 'new order of the ages' is an eye opener. I have to agree and so is 9/11, but looking in detail of any video from any shoot will show strange artefacts, imperfections, optical illusions and the compression techniques can make real footage look unbelievable.
Also genuine events like the nose out can be misinterpreted for a plane nose cone, this is just poor understanding of what would happen when a 767 going 500mph into a building, some parts of it and the building are bound to come out the other end. The conspiracy in the videos is Bush sitting in a classroom while the country is been attacked, this goes against secret service protocol, i.e. to protect the president, I don't see saying put being very safe when buildings are being crashed into.
Lenses with large numbers of elements such as zooms tend to exhibit greater lens flare, as they contain multiple surfaces at which unwanted internal scattering occurs.
The spatial distribution of the lens flare typically manifests as several starbursts, rings, or circles in a row across the image or view. Lens flare patterns typically spread widely across the scene.
I've just read your info section, 'At first glance, one might assume that the pointless triangles are lens glare' yes one might because they are. You film anything pointing towards the sky and that is a possible outcome. I have had the same effect myself when filming planes in the sky, you get lens flare. Def Lens flare is the light scattered in lens systems through generally unwanted image formation mechanisms, such as internal reflection and scattering from material inhomogeneities in the lens
It's a lens flare, jackass.
jalderwood 10 months ago
@jalderwood Please demonstrate your assertion withexamples from YT.
In fact, they are part of a drawing.
CNN911Fakes 10 months ago
@CNN911Fakes my assertion would be ?v=hiAToA3qZcI
as you said they're a drawing. otherwise i'd suggest the triangular flare was a factor of the lens.
jalderwood 10 months ago
@jalderwood Thanks for that example.
These are very different, I think you know that.
CNN911Fakes 10 months ago
@CNN911Fakes "Very different" in what sense? Because they don't look like the usual film camera lens flare? They move and look just like the real thing. Rather than say CNN doctored or produced these images digitally (a lot of effort for such a short piece of film that shows nothing), I wager the triangle shaped flare you see is a factor of the camera or lens. Why don't you do some more research rather than jumping to conclusions. p.s. what is the drawing you're talking about?
jalderwood 10 months ago
@jalderwood Thanks for your comment.
A wager, you say? I'm game.
Bet you can't find a non-trivial error that has not already been found in any of my videos proving that the media presented fakes on 911.
ps, 188 videos at about 3 minutes ave each suggests a lot of research. Have you been thru the NIST and FEMA reports that use falsified images? I have.
CNN911Fakes 10 months ago
@jalderwood you're actualy wrong on that. i watched your little Star Trek video too. Lense flares would move and change shape as the camera moved. idk what it is but it's not a lense flare.
lqdust 9 months ago
@lqdust Thanks for your comment.
They are just pointless!
Me and my arrow!
CNN911Fakes 9 months ago
check out 9/11 WESCAM
AsPinkAsAPanther 1 year ago
Now let me give you some reality. It is reality I have had to live with for nearly eight very long years. I was there that day in New York. I was on the street and just happened to look up. I watched in horror as that first plane struck. I stood stunned for several minutes then saw the second plane strike. I saw people falling to their deaths. I watched both towers colapse. I later learned my wife died in tower one. I get the distinct impression you don't think that happened.
shatros 2 years ago
i live in queens, my gf at the time worked uptown, my mother worked ACROSS THE STREET, and they all saw it. I was at the hospital picking up my grandfather that day.. standing in the parking lot at the hospital IN QUEENS, i could see the smoke billowing from the towers in the sky. anyone who thinks it didn't actually happen and that everything was faked is in need of some serious psychological counseling.
mercy1313 2 years ago
looks like a genuine lens flare to me, ESPECIALLY if it was filmed from across the river. if you're zooming across the river, you only have to turn the camera a few millimeters to move your frame drastically. get any camera with a zoom lens, focus on something a mere 100 feet away, and set it in a spot where the lens flares, then turn it slightly, youll see the flare doesnt move, but youre now facing a completely different area. looks genuine to me
mercy1313 2 years ago
The lens flare moves as the camera moves. Note how the "triangles" as you put it shift slightly and move closer together - exactly how a lens flare should.
Come on CNN911Fakes - you're not even trying any more to convince people. You have over 150 videos and not a single one proves anything.
Why not take more time over your next video, properly analyse it and report this analysis THEN may be people might listen to you.
filmmakingonline 2 years ago
They clearly do move. Proving again you have no idea what you're talking about.
coolio436 3 years ago
Fakery TV - All Lies All The Time on the Tell Lie Vision
Operation Mickey Mouse was the best they could come up with. I have seen the enemy and he is a fool
Sure he is the military industrial complex and he owns and controls the entire media industrial complex from satellites on down to the repeaters on the streets but his whole empire is built upon lies, fraud, deception & brute force
Once the trained primates wake up from China to Chicago things will change but not until
Educate or die
SlaveStorm 3 years ago
SlaveStorm
12 steps, my friend!
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
The Laws of Celestial Mechanics were violated on 911!
YougeneDebs 3 years ago
YougeneDebs
In deed!
Especially the wnyw high5 noseout, where the shadow below the chopper is a noon time shadow!
One of Joe Craine's early fights with genghis6199 was over that!
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
CNN911Fakes
"...Especially the wnyw high5 noseout, where the shadow below the chopper is a noon time shadow! ..."
That's a new one for me; shadows under the nose-out helicopter? Where can I learn more about that?
YougeneDebs 3 years ago
YougeneDebs
Only Joe Craine and I have raised it to my knowlege.
As our chopper is leaving, watch the shadows on the river and the southern shore line.
In our opinion, they are shadows of clouds that are overhead and are not there!
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
all tv channels and tv stations were using images broadcasted from 1 control room controld by the US government in 9/11
khalid6591 3 years ago 3
I certainly agree it very much looking like that ... good observation.
I would enterain two control centres ... re the nose out shot on CNN being covered up with a banner, and the fox version not being covered up and thus showing the infamous "nose out shot".
TodMcInerney 3 years ago
But of course, don't accept just anything they present.
Of course they can use/create a natural phenomenon to hide something.
LiteWaiter 3 years ago
The triangles look totally natural to me, lens flare. It's sloppy for a pro to let it happen, but they do adapt to every move/angle in the right direction. They are not fixed, check the places where the triangles touch eachother, you'll see the exact movement that should occur. Sorry.
Light reflects in between the lenses and depending on the kind of lenses/distance, you'll see more or less change.
LiteWaiter 3 years ago
LiteWaiter but they do adapt to every move/angle in the right direction. They are not fixed, check the places where the triangles touch eachother, you'll see the exact movement that should occur.
Really? And if the camera panned 90-degrees to the right, would the lens flares follow along, as well?
The camera panned AWAY from the sun. How could a lens flare keep up with that?
YougeneDebs 3 years ago
LiteWaiter
"...but they do adapt to every move/angle in the right direction. They are not fixed, check the places where the triangles touch eachother, you'll see the exact movement that should occur...."
Really? And if the camera panned 90-degrees to the right, would the lens flares follow along, as well?
The camera panned AWAY from the sun. How could a lens flare keep up with that?
YougeneDebs 2 years ago
"The camera panned AWAY from the sun. How could a lens flare keep up with that?"
So what? As long as there is a light source (stray light) on the surface of the lense it MAY couse these reflections. The way this one behaves looks like a very powerfull telelens. I would have expected more reflections, however this situation is still immaginable.
It seems you don't have a clue what you're talking about. This flare behaves exactly as to expected when panning away from the sun.
LiteWaiter 2 years ago 2
litewaiter
Examples or stop posting.
CNN911Fakes 2 years ago
litewaiter
On the internet you are just another guy.
post examples of the phenomenon or get deleted.
CNN911Fakes 2 years ago
how about bring in an experienced photographer and ask them to analyze the video. I have seen this very thing many times when shooting and frequently have to adjust my shot to avoid this. In a place with lots of reflective surfaces you can get this from nearly any source. To know for sure, you would need to know precisely where the camera is located, the precise time of day this was filmed, where the sun was, then do a lot of triganometry.
shatros 2 years ago
LiteWaiter:
I said: "The camera panned AWAY from the sun. How could a lens flare keep up with that?"
And your reply, in short: This flare behaves exactly as to expected when panning away from the sun.
Expected by whom? I set up a camera on a tripod and created a lens flare, then panned away from the sun. And guess what? The lens flare didnt keep up with the pan!
Maybe you should try the experiment yourself.
YougeneDebs 2 years ago
Looks like sun glare on the camera lense.
SpudXXXX 3 years ago
SpudXXXX
Yeh. That is what it is supposed to look like.
Not natural to me!
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
Cnn911Fakes They created the secrecy bro so your right to be suspicious about everything.
SpudXXXX 3 years ago
There are a lot of strange unanswered issues with 911.
But get your facts straight and think things out first;
1. the camera you mention that you think is mounted on a tripod weighs over 100 pounds. How the hell do you mount that on a tripod?
2.Why would you spend half a million dollars on a camera that is specifically designed for stability and then put it on a tripod?
3. These cameras only have mounts from on the top side so it would have to be hanging under a tripod.
You are dumb
SellNow12 3 years ago
sellnow12
You saw the camera?
Neat! I only saw what it took. You got images or video of it?
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
no what I was trying to explain is that the brand of camera you indicated took this video was incorrect based on the assumptions you made and what that type of camera is intended for and how it has to be mounted. It does not get mounted on a tripod
SellNow12 3 years ago
sellnow12
I never indicated a brand as I have no evidence of a brand. I make no assumptions.
I claim the jerky movement is the kind of jerky movement one gets on a tripod; are you disputing that?
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
You never claimed a brand? In your info you stated:
"But, I wonder...
How often is a camera mounted on a tripod in a chopper? Is that a special ****** feature?"
****** = brand name
SellNow12 3 years ago
That's on a tripod for sure. It wiggled after each movement. Hand movements won't do that. You can tell he panned sideways twice and then up once. The image at the end was from the zoom. When you reach near the limit, the image will always shake more, even on a tripod.
But that still doesn't explain the images.
You know, I bet YougeneDebs could find out exactly where that shot is coming from. Have you sent him a copy of this?? He could probably give you the age of the cameraman.
toeg1 3 years ago
toeg1
YougeneDebs knows this video is here. Feel free to PM him.
I will tell you that the shot is from across the hudson river and there is no building tall enough in jersey.
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
CNN,
Consider it done. I'm sure he'll be able to give an approximate locatoin if not an exact one. He's damn good at triangulation. In fact, he could probably even give the position of that plane that dove into the Hudson River with respect to this take.
toeg1 3 years ago
I'll give it a try, but there's not much to work with.
YougeneDebs 3 years ago
toeg1 The camera was likely in the Merrill Lynch Building 101 Hudson Street Jersey City; the viewing angle fits. The building is 548 ft tall.
Also, the age of the cameraman was 33 years old (approx).
Heres a quote from Wiki: In the hours and days after September 11, 2001, Z-100 positioned their Studio Cam towards the window so listeners could get an up to the minute view of what was happening at Ground Zero. [wiki/WHTZ]
The DJ at that time of day was Elvis Duran.
I aim to please!
YougeneDebs 2 years ago
YD,
I promise never to doubt you again. Does he have a daughter?? j/k
So what about those triangles?? Why phony up that part of the shot? It seems innocuous enough to have some footage from across the Hudson.
toeg1 2 years ago
CNN,
Aren't those triangles of light coming from the camera lens? If that is the case, then tracking won't change it. Panning will because the angle is different.
The various colors instead of a full scale prism could come from the impurities of the glass itself. It's been a while since I've been involved in that much detail.
I don't see enough footage to arrive at a conclusion from this. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see enough to decide either way.
toeg1 3 years ago
toeg1
The camera is tripod mounted and there is no place for such a mounted camera.
The angle changes and the "flares" don't.
Professional cameras have clean lenses.
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
CNN,
Yes, clean lenses. It could still occur, but not as likely. It went too fast for me to see how much the angle changes. That would be the key for me.
It's just that I hear a voice from a 78 rpm record being played at 16 (that's how we used to describe them) and I can't figure out the speed of the camera nor the duration of the actual shot. Hey, I've got two brain cells to work with here, gimme a break. They say, "If you remember the 60s, you weren't part of them." I don't remember squat.
toeg1 3 years ago
toeg1
I feel pretty confident about where you stand on this material.
Your questions can only help perfect the information.
The shot didn't last long as saved in archive.
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
Hey copernicus, doesn't that look like it's coming from the sun?
CNN911Fakes DEBUNKED!
smartasa911twoofer 3 years ago
smartasa911twoofer
Thanks for stopping by.
Nope, it doesn't.
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
TodMcInerney 3 years ago
TodMcInerney
Remember the BBC technician shoulder?
There is no place on earth where a tripod could have been set up to capture this shot from anywhere other than a close flat surface! No place.
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
Nice one. Yes, I think PollenB nailed it; that the background was scrolled past the camera.
Has that same look, like cheap cartoons, or early anime stuff.
5*s and downloaded. Thanks again.
nameofthepen 3 years ago
youroom101
annuit coeptis can also be translated as "to obliterate, to begin"....a nice way of saying "order out of chaos"
xcgfhfdg 3 years ago
Great great great find!
One of my unanswered questions to myself was "where are the lens flares ?",I was sure that if someone could find one it could have been a good proof cause the 3D programs that simulate them (like Cinema 4D) usually do a bad job.
If slow brains are under the wrong impression that these are "regular" lens flares they can show their point making a brand new video with the very same effect.
theonlyreallaz 3 years ago
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youroom101 3 years ago
youroom101
I don't permit vulgarity.
Your message will be deleted. Feel free to restate it without vulgarity.
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
Sorry for the F word, just seemed the right word, but again I feel it was inappropriate knowing your stance on bad language and I also like to express my mind without bad language. I've removed the post because it didn't need to stay. One thing I would like to ask if you will indulge me, will you post up the full section of video, before the effect is seen until it disappears please.
youroom101 3 years ago
youroom101 asks
"will you post up the full section of video, before the effect is seen until it disappears please"
Nope. The video is on the US archive, just locked. Ask your senator/congressman to permit archive to do its work.
Better, figure an anonymous way to upload my mpegs that has decent bandwidth (some 400G) and I will make my stuff available to everyone.
ps, you claim access to the streaming copy; it will show up there (although I haven't checked)
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
youroom101
no I'm not joking at all.
I've read all your comments and as you see by my comment I've not attacked you directly,I've used the generic words "slow brains".
Anyway only a video response made by you with your hands would be useful for a real discussion.
Reproduce that effect,then we can speak.
I quote your words :
"only a camera and a bright object is"(needed)
,well,thus it will be an easy task for you.
theonlyreallaz 3 years ago 3
You want me to demonstrate this effect, well that great, I've got to spend my time finding the exact camera used, or it will be differently shaped, because its the lens making the shape. So you probably knew I couldn't do it, that's why you asked. I can show you what another lens will do if I point it at a bright light, you will get a similar effect but not the same. I could go on all day why this whole TV Fakery thing is pure bullshit but you probably know that already but need time to.....
youroom101 3 years ago
(try to use the reply so that it's easier to follow the thread)
youroom101
1)
(...)"I've got to spend my time"(...)
(...)I could go on all day why this whole TV Fakery thing is pure bullshit(...)
you're already doing that.
(...)its the lens making the shape.(...)
no,the shape of the reflex comes from the shape of both the iris to change how much light come in and that of the shutter.
The number of lenses gives the number of the reflexes.
theonlyreallaz 3 years ago 2
I did say the right camera didn't I, then I said lens, that just messing with what I said. I agree I have posted on this through the day. I gave a good definition of lens flare on this video. My point I was making is its a normal lens flare on this video, end of story, there is nothing too it.
youroom101 3 years ago
I hope you don't mind me commenting on your deleted post because you mention that its a static lens flare and so did CNN911Fakes, wrong, it does move like you would expect when panning to the right.
youroom101 3 years ago
youroom101
0:56 to 0:57,yes it moves slightly,now let me see with an example of your choice the very same ratio of movement between a fast panning cam using a long focal view (could we agree on this or in your book it's a 25mm in the hands of an angel very close to the tower?) and its lens flares.
Are you afraid of something?
To read the instructions of a cam cannot harm you.
Let me *see* how "a *normal* lens flare" looks to you.
theonlyreallaz 3 years ago
theonlyreallaz
There is also the minor problem that, except on 911 where the laws of physics slept, the sun is a full spectrum light source.
Gosh, where do we see red blue and green separate?
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
youroom101
2)
The point here is another:
whatever zoom (or telephoto or fisheye) focal length,brand of camera or other things you will want to add to make your task even harder so that it seems impossible (....)"So you probably knew I couldn't do it, that's why you asked.(....)
theonlyreallaz 3 years ago 2
youroom101
3)
you will not be able (if you try of course) to have a lens flare that stays where it is in the frame while the rest of the image is moving.
When the point of view is changing it is doing so for the light as for the rest.
It's as simple as that.
Let me see what are you able to do with the images:
"put a video where your mouth is"
theonlyreallaz 3 years ago 2
theonlyreallaz
He won't. Like all shills/infiltrators, he started with the blanket statement that he could duplicate it with any camera (the now deleted post you first responded to).
Then when called to do it, the excuses start to roll of his forked tongue like uncooked peas.
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
CNN911Fakes
let (1984) youroom101 shows how low his IQ can be,nowadays even a 4 years old kid is able to grasp how to use a cam,perhaps he's still too busy learning to read ; )
theonlyreallaz 3 years ago
I'm none of the above name calling, I've just made a short video, but its not going to convince anyone because I've used a bright light to do it, not the sun like in the video. I would have to wait until the next sunny day to do it properly. The video is only showing the shape of the effect that's all. It will move fast if I move the camera because its so close to the light. Anyway I hope I've gone some way to show I can demonstrate the effect.
watch?v=0bGziS3LwiE
youroom101 3 years ago
youroom101
I will check it out. YOu should, of course, feel free to use it as a response video here.
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
youroom101,
Refering to you flare video.
I don't believe the camera used in my video was pointing deirectly at the sun; matter of fact, the camera was well off the sun (below and right).
3 colors in this video, - you are missing 2.
infinite colors in the sun, - you are missing infinity -1.
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
Lens flare, tripod mounted camera, no chopper!
Sorry... pointless video dude!
Please, for Joe's sake, don't do this! ;)
yohrdzayr 3 years ago
yohrdzayr
Where was the tripod?
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
hey, i hope we're on the same side, ok?
i know very well about the tv fakery on 911.
i know no plane hit any building at all on 911.
i think this image was probably taken from the up floors of some building... uh... let me see... in NJ? maybe that hotel at Hudson street or from the roof of the Grove Point Cond., i don't know! but... surely taken from a lower POV with the WTC between the camera and the sun... pretty consistent to the lens flare!
yohrdzayr 3 years ago
yohrdzayr
So ifnd a point on the west side that is 1,000 feet high and can accomodate a tripod mounted camera.
The WNYW HIGH5 footage offers an excellent panaroma of the very tall buildings out that way.
Pick the one you think it is.
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
i think all was faked... but planes have flown into the buildings.... how can you say that people that saw the planes fly in , lie? how can you say that all the videos with the planes... and i although mean amateur videos could be faked??? a plane hit in... but the plane itself wasnt maybe an american airlines...or it was controlled by a ground system....
sixtymetal 3 years ago
sixtymetal
I will match my best witness against your best witness and use FBI witness qualification standards to judge them. My witnesses, who were there at the base of the twins at 9:03 and recorded live all said "no planes"
All the videos we have have been proven faked.
Crimes are not an appropropriate filed for blue sky hypothecating. Real people died. Real people are becoming more oppressed.
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
oh my gosh... thats to much for mee.. this is fucking amazing that all of them are fake... all... that was a fucking job to fake them for sure.... thanks for the information...
grees
sixtymetal 3 years ago
If anything your video shows how real the footage is because why would any faker bother to put in lens flare patterns when it might be seen as fake, but the real effect of a camera system showing the problems of that technology is very real and easily understood by professional camera operators. You are working to hard to find things wrong, why not look to see what is real instead. A good investigator looks at the overall picture, and uses the services of professional people to help them out.
youroom101 3 years ago
youroom101
Gosh, why would the foreign designers of the federal reserve note have written in latin "new world order" and "we did it" on it?
Do you know how badly I want to go on the paula gloria show?
One can't take credit without prediction!
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
youroom101 (contd)
You know, when the bastards kill me, no one will ever know who Joe Craine's trusty lieutenant was. Worse when they kill Joe!
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
You didn't even look it up, you are no investigator, this is the translation for you:
annuit coeptis
(Latin) God favors our undertakings
Novus ordo seclorum (Latin for) "New Order of the Ages"
youroom101 3 years ago
I'm not suggesting that there is no conspiracy in the video's, just that we can read more into things than was intended. The 'new order of the ages' is an eye opener. I have to agree and so is 9/11, but looking in detail of any video from any shoot will show strange artefacts, imperfections, optical illusions and the compression techniques can make real footage look unbelievable.
youroom101 3 years ago
Also genuine events like the nose out can be misinterpreted for a plane nose cone, this is just poor understanding of what would happen when a 767 going 500mph into a building, some parts of it and the building are bound to come out the other end. The conspiracy in the videos is Bush sitting in a classroom while the country is been attacked, this goes against secret service protocol, i.e. to protect the president, I don't see saying put being very safe when buildings are being crashed into.
youroom101 3 years ago
Lenses with large numbers of elements such as zooms tend to exhibit greater lens flare, as they contain multiple surfaces at which unwanted internal scattering occurs.
The spatial distribution of the lens flare typically manifests as several starbursts, rings, or circles in a row across the image or view. Lens flare patterns typically spread widely across the scene.
youroom101 3 years ago
The backgorund appears to be scrolling! Nice catch!
PollenB 3 years ago 5
I've just read your info section, 'At first glance, one might assume that the pointless triangles are lens glare' yes one might because they are. You film anything pointing towards the sky and that is a possible outcome. I have had the same effect myself when filming planes in the sky, you get lens flare. Def Lens flare is the light scattered in lens systems through generally unwanted image formation mechanisms, such as internal reflection and scattering from material inhomogeneities in the lens
youroom101 3 years ago
kimmokuopia honored this video also. Stopped by, watched the whole thing, rated it and found no errors.
reliable!
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
They barely barely move and do not change tones to consider them real.
Good find !
asperin 3 years ago 2
011EviL
like kimmokuopia, stopped by, couldn't find any errors and rated the video.
Don't be bashful; make a pertinent comment.
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
How you found that?
Very good found!
9/11 inside job!
DiekoThaKurd 3 years ago 3
DiekoThaKurd
How nice; you were the first viewer and your rated and commented. Hope you are on my friends list!
I found it while I was trying to find something else. It often happens that way.
I am most fortunate to have saved most of the high res archive before it was totally denied us.
Back up, always back up!
CNN911Fakes 3 years ago
I am 2 years a subriber of you:D
I have watch all your videos
Brilliant found!
DiekoThaKurd 3 years ago