LOTR There are other forces at work in this world

[kamorm]

I don't see how this segment is an argument against the death penalty. Frodo states out of emotion that he wishes Bilbo killed Gollum in the past. Gandalf responds that many who live deserve death, and some who die deserve life. Frodo is speaking out of emotion whereas the death penalty is decided out of facts. Gandalf responds to Frodo that judgement of others can be a dangerous thing. If the death penalty is ruled out of emotion then I could see the comparison.

[PennySmart]

@kamorm I agree with you. In any case, Tolkien was too subtle to include sweeping statements about death penalty in LOTR. This was written in the 1940's and we should not apply today's preoccupations and positions to it. We forget how very recent the tendency to pity the perpetrator more than the victim is. I doubt very much that Tolkien, a staunch conservative and Roman Catholic, would have been against the death penalty which is after all Biblical: a life for a life.

[DCdabest]

Tolkein was a genius....nuff said....

[Tentacleed]

Time to start my yearly viewing of LOTRO series.

[Crazi4Budgies]

@Tentacleed screw yearly I do my monthly viewing of the LOTR series

[savingdestiny]

incredible argument against the death penalty... followed by an incredible argument against people who complain about the times that they live in. Lord of the Rings is a masterpiece of, not just our time, but of all time.

[seb91357]

@savingdestiny homo?



[savingdestiny]

@seb91357 huh?

[Etrajbe]

@savingdestiny Yep, because truth is truth, and truth is constant, and unchanged by time. Real morality, understanding, intelligence arises from truth. Without truth they can not exist.

[sixpointneuf]

0:07 they redisgned him after this to make him look more like Andy Serkis

[gingerlyfruit]

how i feel about the casey anthony verdict



[BenjaminWirtz]

This is the greatest speech, deals with our place, fate, and why we shouldn't decide when someone should die.

[BenjaminWirtz]

@DaveRocks16

Even the wise cannot see all ends

[renrew667]

There is so much Truth and Wisdom in this Scene! Who dares to claim, he knows all the Ways of this Life?? So many of us boast out with that, but what can we really know? There are Forces in this World, we never can seize and determine... This Scene shows how to face this Forces. With Humbleness ans Love....

[Boaz2649]

Amen!

[Dedboy43]

one of the best scenes from the movies. there are other forces at work in this world besides that of evil, frodo. bilbo was meant to find the ring, in which you were meant to have it. and that is an encouraging thought.

[badboy12380]

@DaveRocks16 really???

[TheModerndaymartyrs]

Great rebuke from Gandalf.

[AragonKillswitch]

This scene aways gets to me it shows that you have to decide the choices you make and it will effect everyone wheater it's good or bad

[jdoghockey19]

oscar win? i think he deserves it right with this scene