If it's not Alive it's not max effective. This TMA v MMA v Ring v Street argument is silly. The Big 4 of MMA (boxing,MT,BJJ,wrestling) ARE TMAs modified for MMA sport.Period. Train any TMA in an athletic alive fashion (as it was originally conceived) and you're a beast. Keep tapping a Tai Chi guy and he'll develop groundfighting by adapting his Tai Chi to it. BJJ and wrestling don't own the ground,ask Olympic Judoka and Sombo guys.
Honestly, KC, there's not much I can add to this. You've pretty much summed it all up yourself, as usual, being the martial arts expert that you so clearly are.
Defending against a side-kick by bashing it with your elbow? Why do I have no problem at all visualizing you watching those tapes over, and over, and over, and then trying it out on your friends (hit me here, no, here, right there, yes!), and cuddling them tenderly after your vicious Kali-Kune-Do techniques crushed their spirits.
When they visited Isreal and hit a Krav Maga school. The MMA fighter (who I think teaches on occasion at some SBGi schools.) was trying to MMA the Krav Maga guy who was shanking him over and over with a knife. The summation of the KM instructor was he might be a hell of a fighter in the cage but he had no self defense abilities at all. I got kinda pissed when I saw someone as clueless as you appear to be trashing valid realistic training.
KM people know how real knife attacks work, but the defenses THEY put up are ridiculous. If that instructor u are talking about really was SBGi he should have known the STAB program, which was developed by the British head instructor of SBGi. And that program is one of the FEW realistic ones against real knife attacks. KM is fluff, and I love how they bitch against MMAers or JKDers and have nothing to show for themselves except their stupid street vs ring argumentation.
Now I never said I didn't train ground game. And I never said you shouldn't train a ground game. And I've tried not to bash this aliveness theory. I'm just saying for the benifet of people who are interested in defense not a sport that thinking that MMA is the same as self defense can get you killed in rougher neighborhoods. The best example is off that show Human weapon on the history channel.
Even when they covered the side of the head you just blast the arm into the head (kinda like a cueball) and it works the same. Now the one time a fag in heat jumped me from behind. I didn't know what it was called but I had him in a guiloteen tell he got out (roid rage when I hicksoned his kidney's) and I simple grabed the back of his head and dug my fingers into his eyes. He rolled over and off me faster than a $2 trick. The fight broke up as a cop pulled into the parking lot.
In the gym we had a few very talented wrestlers back in the day. With proper drilling on focus mitts. You would be surprised how effective a blow to the head was at knocking a wrestler off course. They were shocked at how a little pop to the ear or jaw would move them. When you are not in a boxing form you can't take a punch very well. Now it takes a bit of drilling to get the timing down but a short hook is faster than a double leg from a structure point of view. Then its down to training.
When they come in the first elbow smash to the neck/back of head usually slows them down (for me). Then if needed you can repeat to the skull tell they do the funky chicken. (a seisure caused from head trauma.) If you take it to that length you may have legal issues so it a judgement call. A thumb to the eye works wonders also. It takes some work.
Also silat has some interesting neck breaks that work off that line but they work and I don't like jail much.
For outside the gym. Back in the 80's Vunak had a excelent series of Vid's (yes in the dark days before DVD's) He teaches a defense against a side kick. As the sidekick comes in you bash it with a downward elbow. You would be surprised after heavy drilling (in both dead and semi alive focus mit or sparring drills) at how easy it is for a head to look like a foot. It's the same motion. And most kickers side kick faster than any m@t f@g can do a double/single leg.
In fact, if he's even moderately aggressive, he'll have been wailing on you for some time. If you grab his nuts, he would be well within his rights as a man to hurt you real bad.
Imagine that instead of pounding your face until you were unconsious, or even better, pounding you until you turned over and then choking you unconsious, he did the aforementioned, then just stomped you to death because you grabbed his nuts like a bitch.
KC, how on Earth would you stop this from happening to you?
The second realization would be that combat really wasn't turning out the way you thought it would. This grappler isn't letting you up. He isn't putting you in his guard. Your back is against the pavement, and he doesn't seem to mind about his knees being scraped through his jeans, and in fact, he's transitioned to mount.
Now, you'll probably going to claim that whiles he's in this mounted position, you're going to grab his nuts. I would suggest against that. He isn't going to let you go.
The truth is, were you to face a trained grappler in a no rules fight on pavement, two things would become very clear, very quickly.
The first would be a sudden sinking feeling as he takes you to the ground in any of the dozens of ways he's done full-resistance in the gym, hundreds of times. You would realize that you never had a chance whatsoever of stopping him, and that you should have learned to sprawl. You'll think for a brief moment, "Why didn't my Sifu tell me it would be like this?"
You are such a silly, silly person. So, for example, you would probably bet against Ricardo Arona in a street fight against Mike Tyson. Boy. Good luck with that.
The problem, KC, is that because you've taken a stand and chosen not to train grappling, your entire understanding of the mechanics of combat have become warped. You have made a very deliberate choice, and that is to pretend that positional dominance does not exist, or that somehow it can be overcome on the feet.
The main bad thing MMA did was give ground gamers a false sense of superiority. Watch MMA how many accidental eye pokes or groin kicks. When you have BJJ wizard working the ground how open is his eyes, groin, throat. When they take someone down watch the knees. How would they fare on gravel or cement. We have a whole generation thinking BJJ is great for the street. I'd rather train something that doesn't sacrifice my head or knees just to roll and submit a guy. Its not safe without a ref.
But a BJJ could probably clinch and takedown a pure striker, then they would be on the bottom with no ground skills. A pure grappler beats a pure striker 9 times out of 10 through positional dominance. Of course learn some striking too.
Really Matt is right and makes alot of sense right up to where he starts claiming his opinions are facts. I don't think he or any TMA haters on this page ever stuck with a TMA long enough to progress. Now some instructors can only get you so far (thats all they were taught). But in alot of cases if you can't get the basics their is no point in showing you more complex things. The only real good thing MMA did (other than entertainment) was validate Bruce Lee in that no 1 art has it all.
No its not. The two Previous arts i trained Wing Chun and Kenpo NEVER trainde with aliveness. It was all compliant drills, forms and padwork. No real timing, no real resistance and No Sparring.
Personally I doubt that the techniques, application and the structure of most modern day practiced TMA's are the same as they were back when they were conceived by genuine fighters. Seriously I've trained at 5 TMA schools where aliveness as outlined in the vid; words of wisdom pt 1 and the i method, was almost non-existent. If you would like me to show you some example of non-alive training I can send you some utube vids if you want. Not all TMA schools are bad but generally aliveness is lacking
the 3 methods of learning that Matt advocates is... introduction (learning without resistance), isolation (practicing with progressive resistance) and integration (sparring). Ever known some who looks 'crisp' practicing on a bag,shadow boxing, or demonstrating but couldn't spar effectively or showing any real skill? You must have if you've been into MA for any length of time... it's because their is no aliveness in their training.
What a load of shit.
ShalKekNemRon 2 months ago
Every TMA person in the world needs to see this video.
Ljenkins9000 1 year ago
@Ljenkins9000 Shows what you know about TMA
ShalKekNemRon 2 months ago
@ShalKekNemRon Care to expound on that? Thought not.
Wait wait... You also just said this is a load of shit?!?!?!? Omfg. Dude just go back to your useless katas and other dancing bullshit.
Ljenkins9000 2 months ago
If it's not Alive it's not max effective. This TMA v MMA v Ring v Street argument is silly. The Big 4 of MMA (boxing,MT,BJJ,wrestling) ARE TMAs modified for MMA sport.Period. Train any TMA in an athletic alive fashion (as it was originally conceived) and you're a beast. Keep tapping a Tai Chi guy and he'll develop groundfighting by adapting his Tai Chi to it. BJJ and wrestling don't own the ground,ask Olympic Judoka and Sombo guys.
ATACXGYM 1 year ago 5
Honestly, KC, there's not much I can add to this. You've pretty much summed it all up yourself, as usual, being the martial arts expert that you so clearly are.
Defending against a side-kick by bashing it with your elbow? Why do I have no problem at all visualizing you watching those tapes over, and over, and over, and then trying it out on your friends (hit me here, no, here, right there, yes!), and cuddling them tenderly after your vicious Kali-Kune-Do techniques crushed their spirits.
haircutdeluxe 2 years ago
When they visited Isreal and hit a Krav Maga school. The MMA fighter (who I think teaches on occasion at some SBGi schools.) was trying to MMA the Krav Maga guy who was shanking him over and over with a knife. The summation of the KM instructor was he might be a hell of a fighter in the cage but he had no self defense abilities at all. I got kinda pissed when I saw someone as clueless as you appear to be trashing valid realistic training.
Kc1189 2 years ago
KM people know how real knife attacks work, but the defenses THEY put up are ridiculous. If that instructor u are talking about really was SBGi he should have known the STAB program, which was developed by the British head instructor of SBGi. And that program is one of the FEW realistic ones against real knife attacks. KM is fluff, and I love how they bitch against MMAers or JKDers and have nothing to show for themselves except their stupid street vs ring argumentation.
jbravo41 2 years ago
Now I never said I didn't train ground game. And I never said you shouldn't train a ground game. And I've tried not to bash this aliveness theory. I'm just saying for the benifet of people who are interested in defense not a sport that thinking that MMA is the same as self defense can get you killed in rougher neighborhoods. The best example is off that show Human weapon on the history channel.
Kc1189 2 years ago
Even when they covered the side of the head you just blast the arm into the head (kinda like a cueball) and it works the same. Now the one time a fag in heat jumped me from behind. I didn't know what it was called but I had him in a guiloteen tell he got out (roid rage when I hicksoned his kidney's) and I simple grabed the back of his head and dug my fingers into his eyes. He rolled over and off me faster than a $2 trick. The fight broke up as a cop pulled into the parking lot.
Kc1189 2 years ago
In the gym we had a few very talented wrestlers back in the day. With proper drilling on focus mitts. You would be surprised how effective a blow to the head was at knocking a wrestler off course. They were shocked at how a little pop to the ear or jaw would move them. When you are not in a boxing form you can't take a punch very well. Now it takes a bit of drilling to get the timing down but a short hook is faster than a double leg from a structure point of view. Then its down to training.
Kc1189 2 years ago
When they come in the first elbow smash to the neck/back of head usually slows them down (for me). Then if needed you can repeat to the skull tell they do the funky chicken. (a seisure caused from head trauma.) If you take it to that length you may have legal issues so it a judgement call. A thumb to the eye works wonders also. It takes some work.
Also silat has some interesting neck breaks that work off that line but they work and I don't like jail much.
Kc1189 2 years ago
For outside the gym. Back in the 80's Vunak had a excelent series of Vid's (yes in the dark days before DVD's) He teaches a defense against a side kick. As the sidekick comes in you bash it with a downward elbow. You would be surprised after heavy drilling (in both dead and semi alive focus mit or sparring drills) at how easy it is for a head to look like a foot. It's the same motion. And most kickers side kick faster than any m@t f@g can do a double/single leg.
Kc1189 2 years ago
Ok the few times I've faced a trained grappler (in or out of the ring) I was only taken down once (they tackled me from behind.
Kc1189 2 years ago
In fact, if he's even moderately aggressive, he'll have been wailing on you for some time. If you grab his nuts, he would be well within his rights as a man to hurt you real bad.
Imagine that instead of pounding your face until you were unconsious, or even better, pounding you until you turned over and then choking you unconsious, he did the aforementioned, then just stomped you to death because you grabbed his nuts like a bitch.
KC, how on Earth would you stop this from happening to you?
haircutdeluxe 2 years ago
The second realization would be that combat really wasn't turning out the way you thought it would. This grappler isn't letting you up. He isn't putting you in his guard. Your back is against the pavement, and he doesn't seem to mind about his knees being scraped through his jeans, and in fact, he's transitioned to mount.
Now, you'll probably going to claim that whiles he's in this mounted position, you're going to grab his nuts. I would suggest against that. He isn't going to let you go.
haircutdeluxe 2 years ago
The truth is, were you to face a trained grappler in a no rules fight on pavement, two things would become very clear, very quickly.
The first would be a sudden sinking feeling as he takes you to the ground in any of the dozens of ways he's done full-resistance in the gym, hundreds of times. You would realize that you never had a chance whatsoever of stopping him, and that you should have learned to sprawl. You'll think for a brief moment, "Why didn't my Sifu tell me it would be like this?"
haircutdeluxe 2 years ago
You are such a silly, silly person. So, for example, you would probably bet against Ricardo Arona in a street fight against Mike Tyson. Boy. Good luck with that.
The problem, KC, is that because you've taken a stand and chosen not to train grappling, your entire understanding of the mechanics of combat have become warped. You have made a very deliberate choice, and that is to pretend that positional dominance does not exist, or that somehow it can be overcome on the feet.
haircutdeluxe 2 years ago
The main bad thing MMA did was give ground gamers a false sense of superiority. Watch MMA how many accidental eye pokes or groin kicks. When you have BJJ wizard working the ground how open is his eyes, groin, throat. When they take someone down watch the knees. How would they fare on gravel or cement. We have a whole generation thinking BJJ is great for the street. I'd rather train something that doesn't sacrifice my head or knees just to roll and submit a guy. Its not safe without a ref.
Kc1189 2 years ago
But a BJJ could probably clinch and takedown a pure striker, then they would be on the bottom with no ground skills. A pure grappler beats a pure striker 9 times out of 10 through positional dominance. Of course learn some striking too.
phauna 2 years ago
Really Matt is right and makes alot of sense right up to where he starts claiming his opinions are facts. I don't think he or any TMA haters on this page ever stuck with a TMA long enough to progress. Now some instructors can only get you so far (thats all they were taught). But in alot of cases if you can't get the basics their is no point in showing you more complex things. The only real good thing MMA did (other than entertainment) was validate Bruce Lee in that no 1 art has it all.
Kc1189 2 years ago
Chi sau is just a very technical drill and is never really performed alive. With real aliveness it would just become sparring.
tillerbear 2 years ago
No its not. The two Previous arts i trained Wing Chun and Kenpo NEVER trainde with aliveness. It was all compliant drills, forms and padwork. No real timing, no real resistance and No Sparring.
tillerbear 2 years ago
mierda frtta
natharaja 2 years ago
Personally I doubt that the techniques, application and the structure of most modern day practiced TMA's are the same as they were back when they were conceived by genuine fighters. Seriously I've trained at 5 TMA schools where aliveness as outlined in the vid; words of wisdom pt 1 and the i method, was almost non-existent. If you would like me to show you some example of non-alive training I can send you some utube vids if you want. Not all TMA schools are bad but generally aliveness is lacking
LuqmanNaq 2 years ago
yeah they all train with alineness... just like the military, and law enforcement (check out their drills)
LuqmanNaq 2 years ago
too bad you don't understand the training methodology of combat sports.
LuqmanNaq 2 years ago
the 3 methods of learning that Matt advocates is... introduction (learning without resistance), isolation (practicing with progressive resistance) and integration (sparring). Ever known some who looks 'crisp' practicing on a bag,shadow boxing, or demonstrating but couldn't spar effectively or showing any real skill? You must have if you've been into MA for any length of time... it's because their is no aliveness in their training.
LuqmanNaq 2 years ago
was that karl tanswell sparring at the end?
memento18poker 3 years ago
This is all true. Most TMA'ers need to sit up and pay attention.
tillerbear 3 years ago
Keep digging that hole :)
Gharphield 3 years ago
This is a fantastic and educational video.
Crebralassassin 4 years ago 2