the most powerful scene of Nancy's death is in the 1948 movie, the dog reaction and the way he shakes under the table and the fear in his eyes when he looks at the guy is just striking. hopefully nobody mistreated that poor dog!
@verkaforever No, he doesn't. The death of Nancy is a great example of Dickens' gift for the macabre; he goes into gruesome detail about the light catching the few stray hairs that have stuck to the stick due to the severity of the beating Sikes has delivered.
Nancy is very much beaten to death in the original book. The major difference in this film is the time between the murder and Sikes' own death. It happens far quicker in the film (understandably so)
This was the first play I ever saw in a theater. In the play she gets shot, and just before the sound went off my cousin grabbed my hand to make sure I didn't get scared...It was an amazing performance.
This bit just freaked the hell out of me when I was 6, I always wanted to fast forward but I wanted to prove to my siblings I was a 'big kid' so I just gazed.
I actually love Nancy call me sad bcuz I am only 12 and this is an old film but it's my fav film and Nancy is my fav character and my best friend calls me nancy and I sed today at drama cuz we had too do this childrens tv thing so I sed sammie do me a favour be bill and kill me then later we had a fight and she pretended to kill me xx
@TheRandomnessStudios Some stage productions decide to have her strangled as it looks more realistic than doing an obviously fake action of hitting her. I'm playing Bill in June with my theatre group but I've no idea how I'm to kill Nancy. Tbh, I hope I hit her, it will look better if its staged right.
Thank God we;re doing this at school and I have nothing to do with scenes like this :L I'm a workhouse kid/townsfolk person/dancer in the oompahpah scene
In the book, Fagin tells Bill what Nancy is doing, and makes it sound like she's betraying him on purpose. In that version, Fagin is hung and Bill accidently hangs himself trying to escape. I like that this Fagin does get away, as he wasn't the cause for murder in this version.
I am perplexed. I know film, studied it, written about it, know the other works of Carol Reed well, have seen the film countless times, but because (not shown here) Nancy's legs are clearly seen moving afterwards, I never took that she dies. I've been told 'the legs stop moving'... I don't know, those brief second of movement, and then non movement has never been satisfying to me as a way of conveying she actually dies. Would have been better to not show her legs moving at all.
@sinsitysisterssinema It is not uncommon for a victim of blunt force trauma to still move certain parts of his/her body, or even retain/regain consciousness and later die. Nancy could have been clinically alive in those moments, but not much long after. Death by blunt force trauma is not always immediate like we would like to think it gracious enough to be.
This was very upsetting to me the first time I saw this movie--American musicals of the era (and earlier) never allowed such a grim, brutally realistic end for a beloved character. It's still tough to watch; and somehow worse hearing her dying cries and glimpsing his furiously striking arm then seeing the actual death. Very effectively filmed by the great Sir Carol Reed (cousin, btw, of Oliver Reed--Bill Sykes).
@al1936ful Sorry; you're right--I used the word "then" when I should have said "than"--I meant: hearing her dying cries as he violently struck her was in some ways worse THAN seeing the actual death up close. (Either way, terrible end for Nancy, the more so because her killer was the man she loved.)
@LupoBHS He kills her in a rage, because he thinks Nancy is going to Brownloe to tell him all about the set up he and Fagin have (robberies and stuff) he jumps to conclusions and kills her because he says to Fagin she wont be peacing on anybody no more (I do aplogize if peacing isnt the right word or I have spelt it wrong) I think he does regret it though, but then he blames her for the police coming after him. Hope that helps. x
@charlisweep actually, his rage isn't because he thinks Nancy is going to say anything, it's because he thinks Oliver will and she's handing him over
I think people forget just how powerful the imagination is. You barely see a thing but it's still an incredibly powerful and disturbing scene. You really have to hand it to the old school movies like this and 'Streetcar Named Desire' where the script required violence but the writers had to deal with the censors.
i was totally distraught when i watched this bit- i was about eight. then when you just see her legs twitching i was like 'she's still alive' and my mum was like no she's gonna die. poor nancy no-one deserves to come to an end like that xxx
@EoinHarnett69 That's not a cop. But even if it was, it was quite common in those days for cops to not interfere in East End, unless they were safely in pairs or groups.
I saw the movie 4 the first time yestday and nancy was so nic y did she die?
cominyourway 30 minutes ago
Sykes was such a bastard in that movie. He scared me when I was a kid.
ac120479 6 days ago
I think Nancy is everyone's favourite.
hamnett2011 1 week ago
i hate bill at the sean where he chases the dog i was screaming for him to let the dog go. BTW NANCY IS PRETTY! WHO KILLS A PRETTY LADY!? Fuck u bill
pony221000 1 week ago
Poor Nancy ! Poor Oliver ! damned Bill ! *upset*
Shiresann90 1 month ago
Shani Wallis as Nancy shouldn't of died she's the best and so pretty(:
101genco 1 month ago
the most powerful scene of Nancy's death is in the 1948 movie, the dog reaction and the way he shakes under the table and the fear in his eyes when he looks at the guy is just striking. hopefully nobody mistreated that poor dog!
LaEspriella 1 month ago
This scene is very violent for a family film. They changed the way she died. In the book he shot her.
verkaforever 3 months ago
@verkaforever No, he doesn't. The death of Nancy is a great example of Dickens' gift for the macabre; he goes into gruesome detail about the light catching the few stray hairs that have stuck to the stick due to the severity of the beating Sikes has delivered.
Nancy is very much beaten to death in the original book. The major difference in this film is the time between the murder and Sikes' own death. It happens far quicker in the film (understandably so)
TripeHoundRedux 1 month ago
@TripeHoundRedux Thanks for the info- I made a mistake.
verkaforever 1 month ago
This was the first play I ever saw in a theater. In the play she gets shot, and just before the sound went off my cousin grabbed my hand to make sure I didn't get scared...It was an amazing performance.
FlutistGirl13 3 months ago
I laughed because I can't take sad things..Lol.
DisneyDrawer001 4 months ago
i love Shani Wallis as Nancy<333
101genco 5 months ago
Love you Nancy :'(
MeganKing95 5 months ago
this is the greatest musical of all time. and this was the first murder movie scene i ever saw as a child. br00tal.
godwinismyname 5 months ago
Did Bill say "I'll kill you Bitch"?
DanNZ4 6 months ago
Bill you theifing Pyscho!!
DanNZ4 6 months ago
@annekebrits you'll more likely get stabbed thats what happened in my school play
sneakylittleme101 7 months ago
That ain't no cop, that's his grandfather!
sweetflange 7 months ago
@sweetflange Oliver's mother was his niece so i think the guy at the bridge is oliver's great uncle
DanNZ4 6 months ago
omg i dont wanna die (because im nancy in school play) no realy im gunna get beat up :'(
annekebrits 7 months ago
the sadest part in the whole film luv ya nancy and shani wallis
LexiAnnTweedy 7 months ago
its not fair nancy had to die. she did nothing wrong
tklemasters1 8 months ago
What a complete waste of a magnificent woman. Heartbreaking.
Nancy!...I loved yu didint i, look what you've done to me!
barnabyfraser 8 months ago
This bit just freaked the hell out of me when I was 6, I always wanted to fast forward but I wanted to prove to my siblings I was a 'big kid' so I just gazed.
s0052701 8 months ago
i hate bill for killing Nancy that was mean she was really nice and sweet too oliver and now oliver has no friends too love him like Nancy did!!!!
101genco 8 months ago
you gotta admit oli is hot in this movie!!!!
dollykins100 9 months ago
@dollykins100 Yes he is xD Ollie !!
BoomerProduction96 6 months ago
I actually love Nancy call me sad bcuz I am only 12 and this is an old film but it's my fav film and Nancy is my fav character and my best friend calls me nancy and I sed today at drama cuz we had too do this childrens tv thing so I sed sammie do me a favour be bill and kill me then later we had a fight and she pretended to kill me xx
LexiAnnTweedy 9 months ago
i cried when i watched this :'(
liketammysaids 9 months ago
who goes to hug somebody when they're running from a phsycopath
MrLaxdude89 10 months ago 3
@MrLaxdude89 i dont think she knew he was there... but i havent seen the whole movie yet
DaAwsomePeoples 7 months ago
When I was a kid this scene used to scare me to death...
jdt3000 10 months ago 2
awww poor nancy
101genco 11 months ago
@TheRandomnessStudios Some stage productions decide to have her strangled as it looks more realistic than doing an obviously fake action of hitting her. I'm playing Bill in June with my theatre group but I've no idea how I'm to kill Nancy. Tbh, I hope I hit her, it will look better if its staged right.
dramakid95 1 year ago
Bill's such an ass!!
molster14 1 year ago
@molster14 the ass has to die sometime though right?:D
Casey3390TV 1 year ago
i cant believe nancy died !! :(
iluvraywjohnson 1 year ago
Thank God we;re doing this at school and I have nothing to do with scenes like this :L I'm a workhouse kid/townsfolk person/dancer in the oompahpah scene
m1234f34 1 year ago
what, does he kill her by smashing a metal thing against her head?? how can u kill someone u love?? how could he kill nancy! :(
TigerMoonPrincess 1 year ago
@TigerMoonPrincess beause he's a psycho
MasterOfHurt 10 months ago
give her one for me bill
bubs96 1 year ago
In the book, Fagin tells Bill what Nancy is doing, and makes it sound like she's betraying him on purpose. In that version, Fagin is hung and Bill accidently hangs himself trying to escape. I like that this Fagin does get away, as he wasn't the cause for murder in this version.
Donnoliel 1 year ago
I remember watching this when I was in Oliver in primary school and just thinking, "Thank goodness I'm Fagin!" XD
jazzzyy13 1 year ago 3
Damn! Sikes just went Gordon Freeman style!
TheCGIMaster 1 year ago 3
I remember seeing this movie in 1st grade music class, and this scene scarred me... It's still kind of depressing to me. Lol.
TheMeeshKeesh 1 year ago 2
I am perplexed. I know film, studied it, written about it, know the other works of Carol Reed well, have seen the film countless times, but because (not shown here) Nancy's legs are clearly seen moving afterwards, I never took that she dies. I've been told 'the legs stop moving'... I don't know, those brief second of movement, and then non movement has never been satisfying to me as a way of conveying she actually dies. Would have been better to not show her legs moving at all.
sinsitysisterssinema 1 year ago
@sinsitysisterssinema It is not uncommon for a victim of blunt force trauma to still move certain parts of his/her body, or even retain/regain consciousness and later die. Nancy could have been clinically alive in those moments, but not much long after. Death by blunt force trauma is not always immediate like we would like to think it gracious enough to be.
ribbitgrl 1 year ago
This was very upsetting to me the first time I saw this movie--American musicals of the era (and earlier) never allowed such a grim, brutally realistic end for a beloved character. It's still tough to watch; and somehow worse hearing her dying cries and glimpsing his furiously striking arm then seeing the actual death. Very effectively filmed by the great Sir Carol Reed (cousin, btw, of Oliver Reed--Bill Sykes).
TheCatgirl6 1 year ago
@TheCatgirl6 But the actual death is never shown.
al1936ful 1 year ago
@al1936ful Sorry; you're right--I used the word "then" when I should have said "than"--I meant: hearing her dying cries as he violently struck her was in some ways worse THAN seeing the actual death up close. (Either way, terrible end for Nancy, the more so because her killer was the man she loved.)
TheCatgirl6 1 year ago
This scared the shit out of me when I was 7
redmonkey35L 1 year ago 4
I forget why he kills her.
LupoBHS 1 year ago
@LupoBHS He kills her in a rage, because he thinks Nancy is going to Brownloe to tell him all about the set up he and Fagin have (robberies and stuff) he jumps to conclusions and kills her because he says to Fagin she wont be peacing on anybody no more (I do aplogize if peacing isnt the right word or I have spelt it wrong) I think he does regret it though, but then he blames her for the police coming after him. Hope that helps. x
charlisweep 1 year ago
@charlisweep actually, his rage isn't because he thinks Nancy is going to say anything, it's because he thinks Oliver will and she's handing him over
I think people forget just how powerful the imagination is. You barely see a thing but it's still an incredibly powerful and disturbing scene. You really have to hand it to the old school movies like this and 'Streetcar Named Desire' where the script required violence but the writers had to deal with the censors.
Gonzogrig 1 year ago
ugh i hate that he kills her
lolpop2009 1 year ago 2
In the book Bill sykes is haunted by the 'eyes of nancy' after he kills her, thats how he ends up accidently killing himself.
pumpkinwolf 1 year ago
I still can't watch that end part of the film without crying! I was exactly the same as
lotusflower2k9 I hoped she was still alive, but she died. Nancy was always my favourite, x
charlisweep 1 year ago
This is one of the better (albeit darkest) parts of the movie. But sadly, your copy has very poor sound. There is a lot of fuzz over the top.
shikishinobi 2 years ago 2
Shit cop :)
redpink99 2 years ago 3
@redpink99 That's not a cop; it's Oliver's benefactor, Mr. Brownlow.
al1936ful 1 year ago
Why the hell you put this on here in the first place???
sorrowsingsoftly 2 years ago
his face after he realizes he killed her is like "Oh shit. . ."
therealcritic28 2 years ago
i was totally distraught when i watched this bit- i was about eight. then when you just see her legs twitching i was like 'she's still alive' and my mum was like no she's gonna die. poor nancy no-one deserves to come to an end like that xxx
lotusflower2k9 2 years ago 2
hahahaha at princeofcats9!
pingpong1421 2 years ago
This is nothing at all like the book...
iRepMerk 2 years ago
it was adapted from a stage play, where it was done at the bridge for plot convenience
Asylum07MasterMadman 2 years ago
The cop does nothing lol!
EoinHarnett69 2 years ago 24
@EoinHarnett69 That's not a cop. That's Mr. Brownlow, Oliver's benefactor. Nancy promised to return Oliver t him at London Bridge.
It's a little more believable in the play, because in the play he doesn't even show up at the bridge until after Nancy's been killed.
al1936ful 1 year ago
@EoinHarnett69 thats not a cop its Mr. Brownlow
tailbarb777 1 year ago
@EoinHarnett69 he's not a cop its Mr Brownlow
Phailwars 1 month ago
@EoinHarnett69 That's not a cop. But even if it was, it was quite common in those days for cops to not interfere in East End, unless they were safely in pairs or groups.
Sawrattan 1 week ago
I'm playing Bill Sykes and this is the best bit for me.
princeofcats9 2 years ago
first he's all like "of course i love you, i live with ya', don't i?" then he kills her!!!
KurtnJamiePOP 2 years ago 33
i allways hated this bit when she gets killed. it was not nice of bill to do that to her.
frogdogcat22 2 years ago 2
5/5 poor nancy
EvilJohnnyAllen 2 years ago