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  • amazing boats.

  • There was no way on earth that Alinghi was going to win this race. I wish the AC would go back to monohaul boats and have them all of the same make/manufacture so that teams can customize sails and crew only

  • i was there in Valencia ;-) i became really happy when Oracle beated Alinghi!!! Bertarelli you got what you deserved!!!

  • @SuperLouis555 WTF are you talking about

  • Somehow I think we are all going to get through this. Boats again will feel like they came from our own backyards. Things can only go forward from this point. I am not worried. The technology in these boats came from everywhere. I think of football, which is I believe has gone through this same dilema. And look at the superbowls of recent and I see a surviving sport.

  • BMWO was going to win races with or without WingSail. The Swiss are just lucky the wind wasn't stronger, then it would have been a lot worse. We will never truely know what those boats could have done. these light wind races are cool but not enough.

  • This is hardly a win for the Americans. USA-17 is French designed and the crew seems to be Aussie/Kiwi, am I right?

  • @IchiCrack you are correct! and as an American, I kinda feel like we didn't win it either!

  • @IchiCrack This is a little brash - one of the primary advantages this boat enjoyed was through the design of the rigid wing sail, through work with Scaled-Composites (in which many of the engineers from the 1988 America's cup wing sail had worked on). Beyond that, it's a trimeran - big deal. Yes it's beautiful and technologically incredible, but with computers I don't think "we needed the French" to win this race; they simply decided to have an experienced multihull firm (VPLP) draw it up.

  • The America's Cup is ALL about rich guys looking for a tech advantage. Only with the 12's did anyone start to entertain "one-design" thoughts. That's a different sport...the AC is about tech, from the beginning!

  • @oceanplanet602 I understand your frustration, but you've gotta look at it from a different perspective. If you're putting a team together that is going to represent your pride in your home country - and you know you'll have everyone counting on you.. when it comes time to sink millions into R&D and construction of your boat, are you going to ditch the best design for something "elegant and classic" knowing full well you'll get smoked on international TV; going down in recordbooks as a loser?

  • reduced to a debacle...what happened to what was a most fantastic challenge of skill and design within the close constraints of the 12m rule. Two 12m boats on a short tacking duel is what it is all about......a struggle of skill and determination. Connor v Bertrand.....true history

  • If they allow this no boundaries style boat design stuff their going to have it introduce a handicap system.

  • up yours Ernesto you midget cheat

  • The defenders didn't have a chance!

  • @noodleninjaa swiss, and no.. they had a cat and bmw oracle had a tri.. not even a match

  • Ellison is such a prima donna. I hope he's happy having destroyed a classic boat race. I'll never use any of his crap products.

  • This is what was intended for the Americas cup.

    Lead or follow do everything you can to make faster sailing

    Glad to see the end of class racing.

  • Yeah, I agree with most of these posts. What has the America's Cup become?

  • This once inspiring race embracing so much - what was good in international sailing - has gradually been eroded into a sleep enducing non-event. What we have witnessed this year (2010) is a technology "race" supported by huge funds.

    I wish to extend my condolences to the organisers for letting this once so all-inspiring international race be hijacked by international funds to a degree that this non-event has turned into. All of us have lost out on something quite special -

    America Cup, RIP.

  • Hugh budgets, hugh talent, hugh boats, hugh court battles, boring racing. A gaggle of 8 year olds in Opti

    s are more interesting.

  • Very impressive how this incredible cup with innovative and very fast boats was made into a spectacularly bland and uninteresting display of ... what exactly? What was proven here? a trimaran in light winds with a rigid sail will be faster than a cutting-edge catamaran? Not sure seamanship and fair play were central to this uninspiring cup.

    Keep it up and soon nobody will care.

  • they wont race under these rules again Idon't think. the winner gets to pick the rules , and these 90 x 90 boats, best out three hopefully are done for a while. very strict rules called the Deed of Gift. but everything u said is spot on correct

  • 3rd, other than accepting (barely) the challenge and racing, the 33rd Cup was everything the AC was not about. And worse, engines were allowed for the first time ever, in a sailboat race of any kind. All I can say to finish my statement is, I'm happy we won the cup back, but god damnit, this needs to get fixed!!!

  • ed, funny how you say you're a preacher and you cussed!

  • I'm an American and very happy that the Cup is back in US hands, but I'm very upset about what the America's Cup has become. 1st, the cup is suppost to be about 2 countries racing against eachother, but (example) Oracle only had 2 crew members from the US. 2nd, Alinghi should have NEVER been allowed to compete back in 2003, because in the rules, no land-locked country is allowed to compete in the cup.

  • Alinghi is evil... so happy Oracle won!!! :D

  • These boats should not sail over 15 Knots???? So put them on some billionar's garden as an art piece, that they really are. If can't sail should not be at sea!!!

    Shame on Americas cup!!!

    Keep it for really sailors not Tycoons!

    I love V.O.R. and Vende globe... fuck this shit!!!

  • No race, no macht, no adrenalin, no emotions, no sail skills, just fat bags of money floating on flat sea!

    Sad!!! Never more!

  • The America's Cup has been ruined. It's no longer a yacht race but a corporate money fest and they might as well just race big motor boats around bouys. I'd rather watch the highlights of the Sydney to Hobart where there are real boats, real people and real competition.

  • As a proud Yank, I say to you: Suck It.

    hb151

  • Yes, as a "yank" you have so much to be proud of:-

    Main sponsor is a German auto company - BMW;

    Team consists of how many Americans? Mainly Australians, New Zealanders and Europeans.

    The AC used to be about each country representing itself, kind of like the Olympic Games. Now it's just whoever wants to spend the money to buy the best people from around the world. It used to be that the boat was designed, skippered and crewed by the countrymen it represented. That tradition is now lost.

  • You guys are hanging on to the past. These boats are state of the art. The crappy old mono's from the 'good old days' weren't as fast a dingy cat. Plus the advancement of the 'wing' sail is an absolute milestone in design.

    Well done Oracle.

  • gweflj. It is terrible. Now the Americas Cup will stay in the USA. The American courts and legal system will see to that. It will be one on one races like this one, with only American challengers and defenders. Like motor racing, there will be the Indycar series for the US (like the Americas Cup) and for the non US, the Formula One series (like the Louis Vuitton Cup).

  • As a Yank, it's fine with me. 15 years is enough.

    hb151

  • Stte of a to sail lakes, ask them to cross the Atlantic!!! Not Sailboats, for sure, peaces of art go to museums... nice place for this two mistakes!

  • Its all gone to the dogs really, To big teams with way to much money that have taken the soul out of the ac, bring back the good old days with nations from all around the globe on an even footing competing for the cup!!!!

  • what a waste of time alinghi, maybe you shouldn't have tried so hard to change the rules.

  • Maybe they shouldn't have let Russell Coutts get away, huh? Alinghi's loss = BMW Oracle's gain. FACT.

    hb151

  • [coco-3] However, I personally think BMW Oracle made really a fantastic boat ! This is definitely fascinating for every sailing fun's dream to catch the wind! It's really a high tech trimaran. "Bravo!" However, I have a question as a next race point of view. Who can invest such a huge money to make a super boat like this? In other words to say, I'm wondering who is going to, or possibly challenge to BMW Oracle in the next cup... Conglatulation BMW Oracle. You are all alone in the end!
  • [coco-2]

    Such an atomosphere made America's Cup so cool

    and I still want to believe this is the basic spirit of AC

    when they won against British boat.

    but where is that atomosphere gone now?

    Honestly, the AC 33 wasn't fun at all (at least to my eyes.)

    because this race kept remind me from what happened to

    kookaburra III back in 1988. "Monohull vs Catamaran"

    It was worst than this time but quite similar case, isn't it?

  • No because in this edition both sindacates had a multihull and they could built the best multihull possible for the race, the rules were clear before and Oracle did a better job. Let's say that Alinghi built a beautiful and fast catamaran, Oracle built a spaceship.

  • Close second to darts, this has to be the sickest "sport" around. Of no interest to anybody.

  • Please forgive me for writing the comment too long but... [coco-1] I agree about the court, Flyerf18. It is very sad that this court problem shows really the bottom line, I guess. Alinghi (Ernesto) was just happy to create an atomosphere to make every sailing fun to have "feel free to dream or to challenge" regardless of the size of boat or experience. Do you remember in the 32nd AC race, there were a lot of team challenging, also there were LV Cup for qualification too !
  • Disaster! the famous vaunted americas cup has come to this. A repeat of the multi hull versu mammoth monohull match years ago. the boats impressive but not even close. This after months of nasty court battles and posturing through lawyers. The crowds are not crowds, valencia and its environs a sad shadow of its former self. Heres an Idea, face these two rich brats off in optimists,both of them in two of the most basic of boats to settle the score.

    This has become a SAD JOKE.

  • It's not heading where it belongs. I think BMW Orace does'nt brings it back to Great Britain where it belongs to.

    By the way it's sad that the decision once and for all is up to the court. It's not over if one of the teams winns 2 races.

  • The Cup is heading where it belongs..!

  • Yes San Francisco is one step closer to Auckland.

  • And Auckland is within coo-eee of Australia.

  • up yours nasty little swiss midget say bye bye dwarfy

  • In your face, Ernesto!

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