Intellectual Property Rights Debate

[aenkmnp]

Sheldon Richman FTW!

[TheRhinehart86]

I can sympathise with people wanting to protect their shit. My problem is the 'pro-active' means being taken to 'stamp out piracy' rather than prosecuting each case of fraud as an isolated incident. Seperately suing a million people for copyright fraud, just as you would seperately prosecute a million people who each commit a murder, is highly impractical, so instead they now go for the ISPs, affecting millions of people who had nothing to do with piracy, that may be law but it aint justice

[furyofbongos]

Check out Stepan Kinsella, a registered patent attorney on his very strong arguments against the violence of IP laws.

[Keeban3]

Its not about owning the economic value of your work, its about owning the right to its usage. Its not like stealing a good, instead its like counterfeiting money.

[briano8713]

Do libertarians who favor current form of IP realize that they support a massively inefficient government subsidy to arbitrary content creation? One that has the side-effect of massive rent-seeking and a hamstringing of horizontal information flow between market participants. The administered pricing that results from arbitrary monopoly is a de facto TAX, even economists who favor it understand this. These same folks prolly decry "big guvment" funding for R&D.

[swu880]

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Jefferey tucker made a good solid argument for differentiating property rights as in physical property vs the intellectual property. one is finite & scarce the other is infinite and never really scarce(in the sense that its being used here)

[kokopelli314]

I made a toy truck with lego blocks of my own design. I showed it to my friends. One of them made the same truck from his lego. He showed it to his friends, some of whom are making identical trucks and attempting to sell the plans.

Some questions:

Does LEGO corporation have copyright of my design?

Is my friend a thief for copying my design?

Clearly, my design can be copied without plans. Are the creation of the plans themselves not a separate entity from the truck?

If so, who owns the plans?

[wildbobandronnie]

My point is that the Marxist thinks real property rights should have no protection, but I will bet he would be ready to defend intangible property since this is all he has to contribute.

[wildbobandronnie]

Does this guy on the left get paid? If all he sells are words he should be allowed to starve.

[Mike10four]

@wildbobandronnie The only Rights we have are our “unalienable Rights.” A deeper understanding of these Rights materializes through the prism of science (see my channel video). Protection of intellectual property is defined by manmade law. Laws are a function of government and are not equal; also man does not equally follow manmade laws. Hence, intellectual property is not a right. It is one’s responsibility to protect a good idea. If your property is musical software, good luck.

[briano8713]

@wildbobandronnie

You're missing the point. If he is paid as a lecturer/professor, he is being paid for a scarce service he himself provides. If a student memorizes his lectures and repeats them to others, it is not theft, not in a meaningful sense. The reason property rights exist *at all* is to provide a mechanism to resolve disputes among scarce resources. Patterns are not scarce resources. You can subsidize content creation in numerous ways, granting monopolies is simply the most harmful.

[briano8713]

@wildbobandronnie

Ever seen the stupid commercials where the RIAA tries to stop kids from d/l music w/ the "You wouldn't steal a car, would you?" The accurate analogy would be, "you wouldn't copy a friend's car for free because it would deprive GM of their state-granted first mover advantage, would you?" But how would GM make money when people can just copy cars for free?! Once again - there are less destructive ways of subsidizing content creation w/ taxes than granting arbitrary monopolies.

[sdozer1990]

3:13. What a strawman! So Ivan, are you saying that if someone is able to pay a contractor and construct an identical house, and because you were unable to stop them- Therefore your house is their property now?

[etzel33]

I agree with the enclosure argument, but it should also be recognized that this is an artificial enclosure, a privilege from law, and so might be subject to assessment much like a land-value-tax or severance tax without violating anybody's rights.

[MirageScience]

saying someone can't use what they know, say a song that they heard is a claim on that person and that is enslavement. Intellectual property

The guy on the left is smart.

[G95G95]

If I steal something from you, you don't have it anymore. If I use "your" idea, for whatever purpose, you still have your idea and can use it for whatever you want. Intellectual property/patents/copyrights or whatever you want to call these bogus constructs, are an attempt to attach (by legal fiat) the natural properties of material, to ideas, which do not posses them.

[G95G95]

Guy on the left is dead right!

The guys next to him are flaming retards.

1:40 LOL!

"Some really smart guy once said the right to create something and the right of the ownership are inextricably bound" "I can't explain it any other way because I guess I'm not a philosopher"

No you're not a philosopher because you believe in illogical concepts simply because you have heard them repeated all your life, and ridicule people who think for themselves.

[nv1z]

I completely disagree with all of you. Aside from the fact that intellectual property rights and their protection are actually a constitutional function of the federal government, if some kind of protection were not available, I would not create anything new. If I didn't have the ability to become fantastically wealthy due to my creativity, then I would not do as much creating, if at all. If I did create something new anyway, I most certainly would not share that with "humanity."

[werfelmd]

@nv1z that's pretty sad to hear, but my guess is that you're not doing much creativity WITH such protections from the state.

The best artists will create in the absence of economic incentives because they are creative people. The rest of society is content working a 9-5 job and not doing any creativity at all. That's fine for them, but creative people will always create because it is the creative act that they enjoy.

[nv1z]

@werfelmd I actually create because something seems clever, cute, or useful, and then I realize "Hey, someone else might want this" and I will pursue a patent or copyright in order to manufacture that thing and become fabulously wealthy.

So if a creative person *doesn't* create simply for the pure joy of creation then his or her creativity is not valid in your book?

[werfelmd]

@nv1z So you have this great idea, but unless you can obtain a legal monopoly on the production of said idea, you won't create it... Yeah, I consider that invalid. It's not creative simply to have good ideas. Creativity is an active process, such as writing a book or designing a building or performing a piece of music. When someone stops short of the creative process because they can't profit from it, it may be clever thinking, but not creativity.

[ljsmithwv]

@arknihil That's Sheldon Richman, editor of The Freeman, FEE's flagship publication.

[darklordsma]

"We don't believe turth is determined by the majority!"

Nice one XD

[johnstabbyman]

looks like a fun event.

[arknihil]

the guy on the far left knows what he's talking about.

[Norwification]

@arknihil once someone's art is resold for profit without the consent of the creator, that is a serious damper of incentive to create and market your own work. let's not forget that communism is flawed because it doesn't provide incentive. while copyright laws that require carol-singers to pay a royalty to the artist are unnecessarily strict, the belief that copyright laws are unnecessarily is outdated. native americans believed one could not own land, try telling that to their descendants today

[27istheNumber]

@arknihil what's his name?

[samalet77]

Nice. Thanks for posting the video. Hope this is just the beginning. Thanks.