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  • That's funny dude.

  • I know its a show and all, but im dissapointed not to see blood... perhaps i belong in another century

    

  • obviously styled more for audience appeal, for the most opportunity to slash blade-to-blade, than as a display of 'authentic' shipboard battle. Any decent sailor or pirate would have dispatched the other guy with about a third of this flailing about. We should not compare this theater to actual combat fencing.

  • good but not incredible, look for Merlet Fencing Group... my masters ;)

  • there are bits where theyre just waving their swords but there are some fencing basics in there too

  • well done! great show! they have skill! I assume they have had fencing lessons. But as this is a show. not the same as a fight. but if you have no skill or training they would beat you. as far as a skilled fencer it is still up in the air we do not not know if they have fencing skill as a fighter, I would think they have so I respect their skill and say Thank you!

  • this is fun~

  • The pirate on the right looks like Guybrush Threepwood. 

  • @cthulhuinsamadhi Actually he's on the left in the beginning. The other right! :)

    I'm talking about guy in a white and blue tunic.

  • Hahahahahahaha you've got to love the "ching" sounds from the "rapiers hitting eachother" coming from the speakers :D

  • they're just waving their swords around

  • Pirates would not use a rapier, they used the cutlass.

  • @thesexysithguy They used whatever sword they wanted or could get their hands on

  • its so easy for people, like ginganinja1988 for example, to forget that in the old days of stage there were no special effects, no CGI, no Michael Bay, no wire teams to make fights look awesome, BUT audiences loved action as much then as they do now. It behooved actors to develop combat skillsets, albeit those more on the flashy & drawn-out side. If your troupe is better at fight scenes, you book more shows & make more cash. So, actual sword training was in the budget for stage actors back then.

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  • Fencing distance, way way to close!!!!

  • fencing distance...

  • Magnificent. Back in the day of say, Elizabethan and Victorian England, when the stage was where the entertainment was, you would not want to cross blades with an actor for real, because they developed real and serious skills with the sword in order to put on good shows. In the past, actors have killed a shitload of people in real duels.

  • @themaditalian Absolute bollocks. An actor with a sword would be a disaster. Stage fighting is for show and uses techniques and a approach that looks good and entertaining on stage but would get you killed very quickly in a real fight. Sword masters of the time were very clear to distinguish between what they called mock fighting and real combat. The really dangerous men of the time were of the nobility and soldier profession who learnt to kill in seconds; not drag a fight out to look good.

  • @ginjaninja1988 Simply because they are not actually trying to kill each other at the moment does not mean they lack combat skill. On the contrary, you have to be particularly good to make your fights look real without without harming your opponent (where most soldiers would fail). Like Hollywood fight choreographers; most of them are martial artists of notable skill. Likewise, stage actors were no exception. Anyone even remotely well versed in English culture and history could tell you that.

  • @themaditalian The most respected sword masters in Elizabethan England taught their skills to the gentlemen of court not actors who choreographed fake fights to look spectacular. Stage fighting when observed by the trained eye is as to observe children waving sticks at each other while trying to play swords.

  • @ginjaninja1988 forget children, give swords to adult novices and tell them to put on a choreographed show for you. Then, compare their display to that of the professionals, and you will be satisfied that my point is valid. You needn't even have studied fencing (which I have) to notice the differences.

  • @themaditalian Stage fighting and the techniques taught in it are a far cry from real combat and the skills taught for self defense. It is a whole different kettle of fish and it is designed to look flashy and showy. The strikes do not even attempt at making a killing blow because of course the whole style is for show not real combat. Real combat usually ended after one or two blows and the techniques were a far cry from the stage. Even the masters were clear to differentiate stage and reality

  • @themaditalian and sure two well trained actors could put on a far better show and would be far more skilled than the average person....but note 'at putting on a show'. Surely maybe some actors could have trained also in the real combat arts of the time for self defense etc. I am not saying that the actors were not skilled just that the stage combat they learnt ad still learn today is not usable against an opponent who has trained in the real combat arts that are designed to kill and do it quick

  • @themaditalian Its just the same today. I am a pistol shooter and I am reasonably skilled on a number of weapons; but what I see in the movies is so far from reality or the skills that are needed to opperate these weapons correctly and under stress. The way most actors use firearms and firefight tactics would get them killed very fast in reality. But in the movies all that counts is that it looks good. To the trained eye their skills and techniques are rubbish.

  • @ginjaninja1988 soldiers were not trained in fine arts, they were trained to hack and bludgeon their way through opponents until they got hacked and bludgeoned down themselves. You take a soldier of the day and an actor of the day and give them both rapiers, that actor wins nine times out of ten.

  • @themaditalian You have just displayed your ignorance on this topic. Soldiers were not taught to just hack their way through, the arts of combat were often unique to the weapon employed and were highly complex. Just ask one of thousands of European Martial Artists who are rediscovering the actual combat arts of Europe. Actors were not trained to fight in reality; they learn't stage combat and EVEN THE MASTERS of the time were clear to distinguish between 'mock' fighting and 'reality'. Actors

  • @ginjaninja1988 And you have displayed your own ignorance as well as your inability to stick to your guns. Just recently you said quite clearly that the master swordsmen were employed to teach gentlemen of the court, who could afford their services and afford to spend time training and studying as opposed to working. You were still on track back then, but you forgot that for a stage actor, this training WAS work, their careers depended on a good show, which depended on their skillset.

  • What's more, you keep on drawing distinctions between mock combat and actual combat. You're right, stage actors are not actually trying to kill each other on stage, but what you're neglecting is the fact that without a base of knowledge of a thing, you cannot effectively simulate that thing. Everything you have argued against are simple historical facts which any performing arts undergraduate would consider common knowledge.

  • @themaditalian I could post some links to texts & pages by which you could at least gain a cursory knowledge of Elizabethan England but frankly I don't have the time or desire to lift you out of your obtuse ignorance (&maybe rub your nose in it a little on the way). I think I've already wasted enough keystrokes on this conversation, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt & suppose that you thought that I likened staged combat to real combat, but I only remarked on actors' TRAINING & ABILITY.

  • @themaditalian were not fantastic swordsmen. They learn't stage combat. Moves that look fancy and spectacular but would have let you down in a real fight. Real fights did not go on and on either like a stage fight. They usually ended within one or two blows. If you think that actors stood a chance in a real fight then you know nothing. You watch too many movies if you think European combat was just hacking and slashing; you know nothing.

  • @ginjaninja1988 I've waited for you to either accept my point or make a solid one of your own, but so far your best logic has been that actors couldn't fence simply because killing each other wasn't in the script. Now that you insult my intelligence I'll tell you that you have an an infantile grasp of English stage. My knowledge does not come from movies, it comes from biographical and historical texts (Bate, Ackroyd, Rowse). Ben Johnson killed a fellow actor in a swordfight, for God's sake.

  • @themaditalian Whatever. Stage combat and real combat differ greatly. Read up about the actual masters and you will find they were very clear to make a distinction between real fighting and mock fighting. They are polar opposites. Stage fighting varies GREATLY from reality in timing and speed, telegraphing of movement, recovery of strikes and intent. It cannot be used effectivley in a real situation. It is designed for one purpose; to look great. And that doesn't mean actors were unskilled

  • @themaditalian rather what they were trained in were not the actual arts of combat which were far more than hacking and slashing. I don't doubt your historical knowledge but I doubt your knowledge of European Martial techniques and training. Stage fighting did have some effect on the Manuals of combat taught by German schools which added popular extra classes to teach what they called Klopffechten 'knock about fighting' but they were very clear to say that this style was for looks and not

  • @themaditalian practical for serious fighting. The main goal of stage fighting is to look entertaining while not imparing the saftey of the actors or audience. Most fights if not all were previously choreographed and were made safe. Late Medieval and Renaissance German Masters called this type of fighting "fechten zu schimpf" Mock fighting..... they noted its popularity due to the stage but remarked that it was impractical for real fights.

  • @ginjaninja1988 If I assume your screen name contains your birth year as is common, that puts you at about 23 years old, and in your prime. If you can, find yourself a good old fashioned thespian of the classical stage and challenge him to a duel. Not with live blades of course, no point in bleeding. But, if you manage come out of it with less than 3 bruises/lumps to every one of his, I will concede the argument. And I'll settle for your word on the report of the match. Otherwise, I'm done.

  • It would be nice if the real fencing was like this. :)

  • JUST LIKE JOHNNY DEPP AND ORLANDO BLOOM :p

  • Veery nice :)

  • MORTAL COMBAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • that was really well choreographed, but its a sword fight. not fencing...

  • Very nice.. I bet this took a lot of practice to get the choreography down this good. Who cares if it's a dinner show or simply entertainment... give one of those guys a real sword and they would probably cut your ass in a hundred little pieces!

  • They are well trained.

  • Man... Slipup and somebody is going home with a sore something. Great job!

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    No i thing u got it wrong going home with one less body part.

  • For pure fantasy, this is actually very well done considering it is a dinner show type thing. I liked it.

  • has anyone else noticed that in these kind of shows and movie clips you can easily hit your opponent whit your fists but not whit a sword? :D anyway loooks cool :)

  • what restaurant was this or what show? i wanna see this in person

  • Now THAT is some good staged combat! I just clicked over from some other videos that were pure rubbish... but this is very nice!

    The sound work could have done with more variety for the steel sounds... but... I really don't know how they were doing it. If it's a "canned soundtrack" (I have experience doing this over two fairly complex shows)... shame on them. If it's somehow a "live" soundtrack... hey... pretty nice timing! :)

    --Novastar

  • OMG! I went there!

  • if it was real, it would be over vary fast. unless both swordsmen had equal skill. then it could last for hours!!......................t­he duel between Black Beard and a Naval Marine officer,(US Navy?), lasted about 3 hours!! at the end Black Beard was cut down with many wounds, and the officer, wounded himself, was so exhausted he could barely stand!........this duel is on record. it happened on Black Beards ship.

  • @acerb45666555 Wow really .What year did that happen?Where can I read about that?

  • @eddiedaskull ..in the 18th century. near Massachussettes coast.

  • @acerb45666555

    Did Blackbeard allow the naval free passage off his ship or was his ship taken over?

  • @eddiedaskull .....it was huge fight on his ship! it had to be boarded and taken by force! an American naval lieutenant killed Blackbeard in a very long duel!

  • @acerb45666555

    this is very cool to learn about so thank you.

    Now I am wondering if this was a miltary operation there would be no honour in allowing a deul to continue for three hours.In miltary flights you out number and over wehm your enemy.There is no honour.Why wouldn't the American navy troops just shoot the captain while he was in a one on one sword fight

  • @eddiedaskull .....back then Honor was everything! it wasnt like modern cold blooded technical war. back then you were a man and stood youre ground! with the enemy right there in front of you! .............if that ship had just been blown to bits, many,(even those fighting Blackbeards crew), would have seen it as cowardly act. thats why the Lietenant jumped at the chance to prove his courage against one of the fiercest swordsmen on the sea! BlackBeard was real fast with a blade!

  • @acerb45666555 That's not true. 

  • @Ranziel1 ............what? BlackBeard?? all thats from books! i go by what i read! they said they had a long nasty duel!

  • @acerb45666555 I'm not arguing against a long duel, but three damn hours is just impossible. I guess it was a crew on crew fight and in the end they both dueled, so the whole battle might have been prolonged, but not the duel.

  • Its not just fake...it sucks. Learn some actual medieval/renaissance fencing techniques, even for coreography.

  • cont. This is more involved than real fencing as you have to remember every move as it is suppose to take place without hurting anyone. No mask or padding as in Olympic fencing (which in my opinion is not fencing anyway, nothing like historical fencing ) AKA the real thing.

  • This is fake ...DUH? this isnt real fencing ...DUH? Thanks for stating the obvious, have you nothing to do but make stupid remarks about something you know nothing about? This is an excellent example of stage fighting and in stage fighting all moves are over exagerated by design . The whole idea is to have the audience leave thinking they have witnessed something amazing, the WOW!!! factor. I would suggest you look at some stage fighting sites and see what goes into choreographing a fight .

  • Excellent work :)

  • This was amazing! =D The yellow guy did a jump spin back kick haha!

  • That is nothing like fencing, that's swashbuckling. Fencing is a lot harder than that.

  • of course it's fake....it's a show!!!!!!!!

  • @heavywaite I don't care if its fake, just the sound of steel kissing steel gives me that electric sentation in my back... it's name its fencing!

  • It is fake. Thats not like fencing works like

  • I am myself a fencer and I can tell you that's in fact pretty much like how it looks like.

    Of course, their moves are exagerated, and that backflip kick is nothing but show.

    But this looked quite realistic to me. Usually, in a sabre fight, you can't hit bellow the belt : But do you think a pirate would care?

    Nice video, I loved it!

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  • I would love to see this live.

  • MEDIEVAL TIMES IS BETTER!!!!!

  • Ah... Classic stagefencing at it's best! Thanks for posting. :)

  • they dont have masks

  • pretty cool. i dont care what any body says the guy in blue and white got the crap beaten out of him.

  • These guys should be in Star Wars films.

  • Extremely impressive! Amazingly choreographed. It must have been so much fun to perform!

  • This is BEAST

  • I love it!

  • That was excellent! :)

  • SWEET kick at 0:15!

  • that was incrediable what resturant did ye say that was in? and how long ago was this?!!

  • wow

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