You have to give it to the host who called the two suits to task while giving due credence to Zappa's points which, as someone said here, were "the hot knife of reason cutting thru the butter that is the bullshit coming out of theses guys' mouths"
Funny how the guy with the 70's porno mustache is preaching morality to Frank and the fat ass who never had sex is pissed off about anything that is....you guessed it.........sexual.
Frank Zappa is talking to people that let worlds have power over them and he can't understand that cause he is to powerful to let anything or anyone control his mind
If a song came out promoting condom use the religious censors would be just as against it, as is the pope. The religious moral arbiters want to pretend that humans don't have a sexual drive until they are married, and suppress sex up until then, which just creates a nation of guilty deviants. We used to live to be 30 in harsh conditions, so we become sexual at 13, 14, they cannot stop this natural process and only being more open about how serious sex and pregnancy is will lead kids toward resp.
Just like Marijuana is a gateway drug - Frank Zappa was a gateway to NWA and the other garbage that has come to the market since Zappa - look at our society - music has to take some ownership - its awful.
@TommyC503 It means you're making illogical connections for the sake of starting an argument; anyone claiming Zappa was the downfall of music because he lead directly to NWA and "garbage" can only be trying to bait an argument.
Unless you honestly feel that way, in which case I feel very sorry for you.
@madamimadamimadam First of all, I dont give a rats ass if you feel sorry for me, not like me or any other feeling that you have. Secondly - I never said he was "the downfall of music." Read. I think he is a liberal - like you - you are the downfall of society.
@TommyC503 For someone who claims not to care how I feel about them, you certainly have strong opinions regarding a person you've never met (i.e. me).
I'm cool with rating systems; they're simply indicators. Don't mix the AIDS, satanism and perversion of western society though....With the ratings, you have an idea of what you buy; if you're weary of taboos, leave it on the shelf...that's democratic.
It's one thing to have the ingredients of food, or nutritional information, printed on menus and on food packages. That's science-based and directly affects the consumer who ingests it in fairly straight forward ways. But music is an art form, and that labelling approach doesn't work here. If they wanted parents (and children) to have a preview of what's in the records, they could consult a reviewer, critic, or someone else qualified to interpret music, literature, and art properly.
when will music create such controversy on a wide scale again? this is the coolest thing to watch. now our big question is bieber or lady gaga. so, lame. wheres the fuck you in music now?
@wewothebigicipator im just saying music should be controversial. even dizzy gillespie said that music should push people forward rather than making them just happy.
Even though Zappa used the argument that, most lyrics are about love so why does everybody not love each other, before it is still one of the most poignant ideas that I ever heard him say and will stick with me forever.
maybe these guys should be concerned about when their congressmen send teenagers to die in foreign countries, that certainly is a good reason for suicide... And they should take off millions of tons of literature just in case a kid drops by and decides to pick Lolita or Justine or some other book like that...
I remember when Elvis hit the scene. Politicians, parents and law enforcement were on tv saying "this nigger music will destroy our country." It just goes to show that there have been idiots in every generation for decades. Long live rock and roll.
Jeff Ling, like Jack-off Valenti, is a worthless asshole making money the only way he can---being a huckster selling snake oil. Fuck you, Ling--ya piece of shit.
@ebkurd Actually I know him personally and that's not how he makes his money so back off will ya. And stop insulting people because you have nothing better to do.
@HeatherJ315 I don't care if he's your dad, the MPAA or whatever it is is a worthless job that accomplishes absolutely nothing. It's worse than a being a parasite. It creates nothing and only forces some asshole's morality down peoples throats. He on the same level as a Jerry Falwell or Jimmy Swaggart. Worthless.
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Now they call it "education". What will it be tomorrrow? Censorship, regulation of free speech? How far? What will be considered good, and who makes that decision? If there was ever a slippery slope, it is issues like this which infringe upon the natural rights of everyone eventually.
Unless they specifically singled out the two dumbest guys at the PMRC, this interview alone could serve as a pristine example as to just how corrupt the organization was.
"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." - FZ
I love how he just sits back and lets these morons spew their rhetoric, then he just comes in, drops and few bombs of reason, then quietly watches the opposition go into a frenzy. He was a brilliant man, and a genius musician.
He is saying that to physically silence people like him is treating the symptoms not the problem. The problem is that we have no power as a society. Hitler used words to create the belief that jews were evil. He is being disengenious. To say it is just words is wrong. The other thing is, there is no sex without violence. They are extremely close, in fact, in nature, sex is just the conclusion of he violence. To promote sex and sexual openness is to promote the disintegration of society.
I have listened to Zappa's music all my life, more the commercial stuff than the hardcore avant garde. He is a musical genius in my opinion, but I must say that he being disengenious. But we cannot single out particular instances of obscenities. People like Zappa are merely taking advantage of our childrens understandable lack of respect for us. They are only vulnerable to the influence of strangers because they believe that the society we have created is not worthy of respect.
@dieselheart1 Not really. He thinks cencership is wrong and it is. He defends everyone's right to express themselves. He's not trying to take advantage of anyone and couldn't care less if anyone listened to his music.
Frank was his own worst enemy, here; he appears pompous where really he is at a point beyond exasperation that anyone should be giving oxygen to the sticking plaster distraction of throwing money at censoring pop lyrics, where he would rather be discussing solutions to society's ills with educated grown ups.
NIGGER!!!!!....was that offensive? I'm sorry, but the same rules apply today. Words are words and it is interpretation alone that determines human action/reaction.
the liars defeat themselves with their own hypocrisy and ignorance. their agenda is apparent... control... they lost then... they will lose again... they will never win. the pmrc is evil... hitler in a priest's robe. religious scum.
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Frank Zappa was an arrogant smug jerk who was "only in it for the money." As Lou Reed said "Zappa couldn't write a decent song if he was given a million dollars and a year on a Greek island." How convenient for Zappa to think that his filthy perverted lyrics have no power to influence anyone! Words make reality stupid! Study postmodernist theory. Should little kids listen to music and panty sniffing?
hi nightfevers-censorship is a very blunt tool-u dont change opinions and encourage freedom of thought -let alone freedom of speech through censorship-i condone censorship but as a last resort and used very sparingly-i dont support political correctness-its very undemocratic for one thing and secondly it stifles debate.... secondly i love the v/u and im not a zappaphile-but frank was an excellent guitarist,very good and prolific song writer and far more successful and more intelligent than lou
prt 2....to nightfevers-hi again lol -u r very subjective and not making a valid point when u say franks lyrics are dangerous but lous lyrics arent-lou glorified drugs like heroin-frank is very outspoken against drug-use-he hated pot and especially hard drugs like heroin-lou wrote and sung numerous songs glorifyiing drugs-and prostitution and sado machism and more besides-im not judging lou-like i said- i love the v/u-as for lou-his opinions are simply that-lets be objective dont just quote lou
When will this argument ever get old. I am sick of hearing it. But i am thirsty for as much Zappa as i can get. I'm completely stoned, i'm hippy and i'm trippy, i'm a gypsy on my own.
What's interesting about all of this is that the PMRC & modern "concerned" organizations are the ones that put so much weight on this allegedly "bad" lyrics. Left alone, none of these "lyrics" carry any weight -- they are just words, like Zappa said. But when you start isolating certain types of music, putting labels on them, then you make the lyrics more influential AND more desirable by rebellious children.
I was just talking about this with my older brother the other day. He told me that when he was kid(late '80s/early '90s)he would actively seek out the albums with parental warning labels because "that's how [he] knew they were good."
I like how the one guy kept on saying "3000 children getting pregnant a day is new." It's funny, considering that teen pregnancy rates in the US have consistently dropped since their high in the 1950s.
Right around :30 the guy on the left got to the heart of the matter. He might as well have said "Wait a minute! You're a lying, hypocritical piece of shit who wants to push your own moral agenda on the rest of society aren't you?" I think that's the kind of statement Frank would have preferred, and he's right, it would have gotten the point across ALOT faster!
WOW How can anybody be so dumb. ANY publicity is good publicity. If a kid goes into a store and sees a CD without a label beside one with a WARNING a kid that wnats to rebel against their parents (which most teens do ) which one are they go to pick? I listened to heavy metal as a teen but I haven't killed anyone.
i agree - hip hop, rap, etc the MOBO has far more hard hitting lyrics regarding sexual violence, rape, sado-masochism, violence and drugs than heavy metal ever did
The original PMRC protagonists were the Gore family. They have always been into grandstanding. Al Gore now spends his time lecturing others on so-called climate change, while using up huge amounts of the earth's resources himself. Parasite and hypocrite.
Yep. Plus his son is a drug addict loser. Look up Al gore son and watch the clips. I guess Tipper should have been looking after her own instead of predicting the downfall of others. They lost as parents. They need to just go away.
Exactly. The problem is the obsurd level of hypocracy present in big companies, when they tried to put a warning on these albums with words that were 'offensive' they simply sold better. These are the poeple who apparently support the right of free speech saying that people can't say certain words. They're just trying to control people a little more underhanded-ly. They give people the right to agree, not the right of free speech. The people who want to censor or blot out records are just facist
The PMRC is just a big group of asswipes that don't give a damn about the families and what they hear. I believe that records with anything "offensive" in the lyrics should just have a warning. if you want to listen to it you should have the right to, and zappa couldn't be more spot on. They're just words people! What are you getting so worked up about?! You don't have to freaking OBEY the musician and do as you are told! they are just expressing themselves! don't be such a-holes about it!
If this guy was so worried about kids contracting Aids, a more constructive way to safeguard them would be to create better sex education and condom dispensing programs in schools. That said, the over sexification of pre-teens is getting a out of hand. The real criminals here are the child-marketers who target and bombard kids the moment they're out of the womb. Kids should be able to play in nature and make their own fun and imaginary games, not be "educated" to find their fun from consumerism.
YES! Thats exactly right. Now, that is not what Frank's point was, but its close enough and probably what some of his number 1 problems with society today would be.
The invasive nature of EVERY group like the PMRC is to keep the public docile and uninformed. Our government DOESN'T WANT us to make choices for ourselves. These guys actually made remarks about "COUNTERCULTURE" being bad. The fact that they can be so stupidly passionate about this crap proves that they have no lives outside of their cloistered little worlds. Frank was a brilliant musician, but also a thinker. His ability to express himself without having a hissy fit is commendable. RIP FZ!
zappa's responses were calm, collected and delivered with eloquence as always.
"What do you make of a society that is so primitive that it clings to the belief that certain words in its language are so powerful that they could corrupt you the moment you hear them?" - the man himself
It is impossible to establish a causal correlation between musical taste and sexual activity. Even if every person that listened to heavy metal contracted an STD, how could you demonstrate that it was the lyrics from their album collection that caused their behavior? Their musical taste might be incidental to their sexual activity.
* I disagree with Mr. Zappa. I believe music can influence behavior. But so can literature, lectures, speeches, sermons,commercials,... I think someone who screws up their own and / or someone else's life would likely do it with or without a favorite song. My favorite song is Ship Ahoy.
* Many people think Zappa's music was just a bunch of crazy lyrics. Most was anything but crazy. Some of his music seemed so complicated and he played guitar with such speed and flair.
nightfevers: He had lyrics dealing with loose-moral women as well, but it was a satire. He was simply taking the piss. And that's the reason people listen to it. They don't want to be whores, they like making fun of them.
If there are some kids that are so stupid they are likely to act on a few lyrics, they definitely won't like Franks music. It's at many places so dissonant, that they couldn't listen to it.
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Listen how arrogant, smug and absolutist Zappa is: "We are talking about words...only words" Frank used stupid filthy lyrics "ram it up your cornhole" as a means to sell records. He was "only in it for the money" and totally prostituted his 'talent' to the buck. Frank said he would allow 8 year olds to watch porn! You agree? Self-serving jerk who dinies the power of his own music on kids. Frank didn't give a hoot about the health of teens or the well being of American culture.
What power of his own music on kids?? Which kid have you seen listen to a fusion of atonal, 20th century classical, jazz, minimalist and rock?? Which kids could understand the music of Weasels Ripped My Flesh?? Or any album?? Moreoever, people do like those filthy lyrics Frank had written, yes. But they are meant to be satirical, he wasn't being serious. And Frank's fans know it. So what wrong influence could it have??
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What a conceited and smug anus Zappa was. No labels for records cause words mean nothing! Of couse they do! Zappa has a twisted and filthy mind and he doesn't want to be held accountable for the import of his own words. He is responsible partly, for the degridation of culture in the USA. Get out of the gutter Frank and elevate your mind beyong extrement, genitals, panties, etc. Get a life.
And this whole argument is baseless, it essentially states that the youth of America, then and today, are weak-minded morons with no hope who need their hand held under the guidance of government and "adults" with a higher moral code. I, for one, do not need anyone to tell me what is right or wrong, or demand that I not listen or look at a certain genre/video, whatever type of media available. That is censorship and fascism.
And America was degraded long before any "Rock" musician came here. In fact, music has nothing to do with what a person does, or acts. And Frank's music is probably way deeper than any of what you listen to. You just looked on the shallow surface and saw satirical lyrics. His music is way deeper than that, and I'm glad it went over your head. Good day.
The real point is... or WAS, at the time... to label this stuff, it would have to be pulled off the air. BACK THEN, radio play was huge. It would've destroyed any artist who wanted to express anything sexual or violent. Sex and violence go all the way back to the Bible, which these morons beat (along with their wives and cocks) "all day and all night and all afternoon."
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Zappa was a smug, arrogant and cynical jerk who indulged his perverted sexual propensities to twist the minds of kids. "Words don't matter and have no effect"? Okay sure. Say it if it serves your purpose and makes you money, right Frank? But its not true as well all know. Ram it up your cornhole Frank, as you would say!
I think Jeff Ling is on Pat Robertson's payroll, has a double life chasing down young boys through Craigslist, and bends over so Tipper Gore can yang him in his ling-ling with her plastic vibra-toy with a XXX NRSC rating on it
@Kompozitur How dare you say that! You should be ashamed of yourself! I know him personally and you're just making up things about people for the heck of it. And seriously have some respect! Why bring sex into the picture? Don't be such a pervert talking about vibrators and stuff. What's wrong with you?
Ahhhh ... the Reagan years. Pinch-assed Republicans scare America with visions of debauchery via music. They've been scaring the public ever since. And, despite their "efforts", music has only gotten more profane (gangta rap) and meaningless.
On the flip side, while these bozos were prattling on about morals, Ronald Reagan - due to his paranoid anti-commie hysteria - was funding a bloody war that resulted ion the deaths of 18,000Nicaraguans. There's your morality for you. Hypocrites.
The biggest irony is that most teenage metalheads are virgins XD
MrVinushka 3 weeks ago
At least the host can see through their bullshit too.
MrVinushka 3 weeks ago
That guy looks like a fat Josh Homme.
DrunkHound1 3 months ago
There's something really masturbatory about those two stooges in the studio patting each other on the back constantly.
Morrinn3 3 months ago
These guys would shit the bed if they heard music today.
AntoManuele 4 months ago 8
these fuckers are driving me fucking crazy!DONT TALK OVER PEOPLE
shardz4life 4 months ago
sad sad! He's CUTTING THROUGH BRAINS OF BUTTER.fuck the 80's
shardz4life 4 months ago
You have to give it to the host who called the two suits to task while giving due credence to Zappa's points which, as someone said here, were "the hot knife of reason cutting thru the butter that is the bullshit coming out of theses guys' mouths"
2tuque2 4 months ago
Funny how the guy with the 70's porno mustache is preaching morality to Frank and the fat ass who never had sex is pissed off about anything that is....you guessed it.........sexual.
Xcorgi 5 months ago
holy fuck those people are fucking stupid. Bill O Reilly stupid. Frank is a genius, the DK never got any exposure on the MTV...
so much BS
jimmiale 5 months ago
Frank Zappa is talking to people that let worlds have power over them and he can't understand that cause he is to powerful to let anything or anyone control his mind
i love this guy !
demented669 5 months ago
@demented669 "let words" not "worlds"
demented669 5 months ago
any parent knows that if you forbid a child from something, the child will crave what the parent is withholding
goblinob 6 months ago
The whole labeling thing was an epic fail. Those records just seemed that much cooler to a kid.
DejectedPanda 6 months ago
PMRC = Pigs. Pigs that lost. HA-HAA!
kurd55 6 months ago
haha those two fuckers are twats
jonah956 7 months ago
If a song came out promoting condom use the religious censors would be just as against it, as is the pope. The religious moral arbiters want to pretend that humans don't have a sexual drive until they are married, and suppress sex up until then, which just creates a nation of guilty deviants. We used to live to be 30 in harsh conditions, so we become sexual at 13, 14, they cannot stop this natural process and only being more open about how serious sex and pregnancy is will lead kids toward resp.
enigmism4life 7 months ago
6:57
StuHutch 8 months ago
Just like Marijuana is a gateway drug - Frank Zappa was a gateway to NWA and the other garbage that has come to the market since Zappa - look at our society - music has to take some ownership - its awful.
TommyC503 9 months ago
@TommyC503 You're trying too hard.
madamimadamimadam 8 months ago
@madamimadamimadam What does that mean?
TommyC503 8 months ago
@TommyC503 It means you're making illogical connections for the sake of starting an argument; anyone claiming Zappa was the downfall of music because he lead directly to NWA and "garbage" can only be trying to bait an argument.
Unless you honestly feel that way, in which case I feel very sorry for you.
madamimadamimadam 8 months ago
@madamimadamimadam First of all, I dont give a rats ass if you feel sorry for me, not like me or any other feeling that you have. Secondly - I never said he was "the downfall of music." Read. I think he is a liberal - like you - you are the downfall of society.
TommyC503 8 months ago
@TommyC503 For someone who claims not to care how I feel about them, you certainly have strong opinions regarding a person you've never met (i.e. me).
madamimadamimadam 8 months ago
@TommyC503
Frank Zappa is a self proclaimed conservative. Watch the other Crossfire video with him. He stands for the 1st Amendment and the constitution.
Deathfromthesky2112 8 months ago
@TommyC503 I hope you realize that you are using a classic "slippery slope" argument. It's not very strong at all.
darkalleyheroes 7 months ago
@darkalleyheroes no slippery argument - truth.
TommyC503 7 months ago
Music about necrophilia and bestiality? AIDS? Frank should have told that it wasn't him that fucked that monkey and ate him for dinner....
afms93 9 months ago
One thing i hate more than douchebags is stupid douchebags.
ertansaygi 9 months ago
I'm cool with rating systems; they're simply indicators. Don't mix the AIDS, satanism and perversion of western society though....With the ratings, you have an idea of what you buy; if you're weary of taboos, leave it on the shelf...that's democratic.
Rickholyrock 10 months ago
These guys are pissed 'cause they never get any. Not very popular with the girls are they?
Nuttymutts 10 months ago
Frank was right. The original PMRC was nothing but a bunch of elitist housewives connected with senator husbands and nothing to do.
TigerRocket 10 months ago 4
It's one thing to have the ingredients of food, or nutritional information, printed on menus and on food packages. That's science-based and directly affects the consumer who ingests it in fairly straight forward ways. But music is an art form, and that labelling approach doesn't work here. If they wanted parents (and children) to have a preview of what's in the records, they could consult a reviewer, critic, or someone else qualified to interpret music, literature, and art properly.
gyniest 11 months ago 2
when will music create such controversy on a wide scale again? this is the coolest thing to watch. now our big question is bieber or lady gaga. so, lame. wheres the fuck you in music now?
loudfastrulez 11 months ago
@loudfastrulez can you say fuck you to money so easily? some not..
wewothebigicipator 11 months ago
@wewothebigicipator im just saying music should be controversial. even dizzy gillespie said that music should push people forward rather than making them just happy.
loudfastrulez 11 months ago
The fellow in the big glasses seems pretty cool.
Stopfollowingme646 11 months ago
@Stopfollowingme646 He is very fair to both sides of the issue. :-)
whoatemyhummus 10 months ago
Even though Zappa used the argument that, most lyrics are about love so why does everybody not love each other, before it is still one of the most poignant ideas that I ever heard him say and will stick with me forever.
TheLoos3Goos33 11 months ago
maybe these guys should be concerned about when their congressmen send teenagers to die in foreign countries, that certainly is a good reason for suicide... And they should take off millions of tons of literature just in case a kid drops by and decides to pick Lolita or Justine or some other book like that...
AmazingPudding1 1 year ago
Sorry...i ment SONG`s.
And for all who love to love:TITTIE´S n´BEER.
I´ll have to take one Jonny Cash ...
zabbafrangg 1 year ago
Why not doing that:For every sexual word in a song we must listen to one or to gospel-...maybe country-...Song.
That would clean our souls and as a second effect it would help the country n gospel industrie.
AMEN
zabbafrangg 1 year ago
yay I liked #400
ostty 1 year ago
Not enough Zappa in this interview
chuobio 1 year ago
Personally i find on objection to a rating system.
JoeyBlue01 1 year ago
a guy called elvis presley was censored by only fillming above his hips...
stupidnicks 1 year ago
These guys are probably shitting their pants because of the music today.
Shun101010 1 year ago
Hold on a minute... MTV used to play music?
LastTaboo 1 year ago 2
Michael Kinsley is a great dude. He sees their bullshit.
Boyofbattle 1 year ago 2
Frank has my full support... Pitty that I wasn't around there 20 years ago.
HanZiField 1 year ago
Zappa is the only one here who is here on PRINCIPLE, the rest of these guys LOVE being on tv, Zappa is there because he HAS to be there.
pureevilfnord 1 year ago
haha he never heard of the dead kennedys
YoshimizRobots 1 year ago
We have an a-hole on the air here in Cincy that spews the same moral crap on one hand, then uses potty mouth on the other.
PeterMayer 1 year ago
I remember when Elvis hit the scene. Politicians, parents and law enforcement were on tv saying "this nigger music will destroy our country." It just goes to show that there have been idiots in every generation for decades. Long live rock and roll.
SarenaPenny 1 year ago
Moral regulations have always been, and will continue to be, terrible failures. Opinions should be based on facts, not the other way around.
drpeppa2357 1 year ago
One more thing about Mr. Ling. He didn't have ANY stats to back up his drivel---and this is how his makes his ca$h. What a TOTALLY worthless asshole.
ebkurd 1 year ago
Jeff Ling, like Jack-off Valenti, is a worthless asshole making money the only way he can---being a huckster selling snake oil. Fuck you, Ling--ya piece of shit.
ebkurd 1 year ago
@ebkurd Actually I know him personally and that's not how he makes his money so back off will ya. And stop insulting people because you have nothing better to do.
HeatherJ315 1 year ago
@HeatherJ315 I don't care if he's your dad, the MPAA or whatever it is is a worthless job that accomplishes absolutely nothing. It's worse than a being a parasite. It creates nothing and only forces some asshole's morality down peoples throats. He on the same level as a Jerry Falwell or Jimmy Swaggart. Worthless.
kurd55 1 year ago
Frank Zappa was the most eloquent voice for freedom of expression that America could produce in the modern age. He is missed.
obelus12 1 year ago 2
This debate is still raging in 2010....no government in my home, my bed,
my body........period.
Francie275 1 year ago 3
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Dfrankjazz 1 year ago
"They do get the point across a lot faster than you guys are doing over there."
Zappa, you are the man.
gamecubeclock 1 year ago
He never heard of Dead Kennedys? What a newfag.
thejobloshow 1 year ago
the dead Kennedys are punk not metal. this guy needs to learn what he's talking about.
lowrider55593 1 year ago
@lowrider55593 the dickhead probably never heard anything other than the crap he heard in baptist church
gtr1359 1 year ago
they should censor the crossfire song
Obelisk2290 1 year ago 3
Now they call it "education". What will it be tomorrrow? Censorship, regulation of free speech? How far? What will be considered good, and who makes that decision? If there was ever a slippery slope, it is issues like this which infringe upon the natural rights of everyone eventually.
otef434 1 year ago
The media was afraid and still is afraid of Jello Biafra or he would have been on here too.
deathtotheism 1 year ago
zappa in a talkshow and one where they mentioning dead kennedys? how cool!
BigKahuna93 1 year ago
@BigKahuna93 I agree, John Lofton is fat annoying fuck xD
hellnook 1 year ago
At least Jeff Ling is a better debater on the topic than John Lofton from the previous segment. He's wrong, but he presents a better case.
Algernon3 1 year ago
Unless they specifically singled out the two dumbest guys at the PMRC, this interview alone could serve as a pristine example as to just how corrupt the organization was.
Alex11710 1 year ago
"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." - FZ
JonP1961 1 year ago 2
Dead Kennedy's!!!!!!
Lee6541 1 year ago 2
when did andy richter become such a dink
jigrupit8726 1 year ago 2
I like this host. He actually challenges both parties' arguments. Unlike some of the others who were automatically on the PMRC side.
DarkZekeX 1 year ago 5
It's Brutal! >8D
DarkZekeX 1 year ago
I like the host ^_^ cause he's polite, but he actually is listening to reason, and challenging those two about their claims.
DarkZekeX 1 year ago 4
I love how he just sits back and lets these morons spew their rhetoric, then he just comes in, drops and few bombs of reason, then quietly watches the opposition go into a frenzy. He was a brilliant man, and a genius musician.
sjk72 1 year ago 11
This program is just stupid. You cannot confront morons with Frank Zappa.
I miss you man!
sialababamak537 1 year ago 4
That Bob Saget looking guy's being pretty reasonable ;)
McLeod54 1 year ago 2
I'm so glad the PMRC didnt ever get it's way.
trafficjam10 1 year ago 3
All I can say is...what the fuck? Rock music is the reason people have AIDS? No...sorry people have AIDS because they're irresponsible.
KingsCrossing320 1 year ago 2
Amazingly,after they got their Label Requirement...The record sales Soared!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BaronvonBlutwurst 1 year ago
facepalm at 7:50
crazycanuck989 1 year ago
frank is a hot knife of reason cutting through the butter that is the bullshit coming out of these guy's mouths
revhogun 1 year ago 72
@revhogun: wonderfully spoken, my compliments
Dzzzzzzz 1 year ago
@revhogun beautiful image my friend
emvir8gto8 9 months ago
thanks frank for for being the voice of reason amidst a flurry of morons like these guys
revhogun 1 year ago 5
He is saying that to physically silence people like him is treating the symptoms not the problem. The problem is that we have no power as a society. Hitler used words to create the belief that jews were evil. He is being disengenious. To say it is just words is wrong. The other thing is, there is no sex without violence. They are extremely close, in fact, in nature, sex is just the conclusion of he violence. To promote sex and sexual openness is to promote the disintegration of society.
dieselheart1 1 year ago
lol There was more to German antisemitism than Hitler's speeches, it wasn't just words. Also, Hitler used violence more than he used words.
Your stuff about sex and violence makes no sense. I can only assume that you have some issues with sex in your own life.
lolharbandhar 1 year ago
Good lord, no. Like an iron bar, really.
dieselheart1 1 year ago
@dieselheart1 You are having some, really, really big problems with sex and words, my friend...
KonkreteXXX 1 year ago
I have listened to Zappa's music all my life, more the commercial stuff than the hardcore avant garde. He is a musical genius in my opinion, but I must say that he being disengenious. But we cannot single out particular instances of obscenities. People like Zappa are merely taking advantage of our childrens understandable lack of respect for us. They are only vulnerable to the influence of strangers because they believe that the society we have created is not worthy of respect.
dieselheart1 1 year ago
@dieselheart1 Not really. He thinks cencership is wrong and it is. He defends everyone's right to express themselves. He's not trying to take advantage of anyone and couldn't care less if anyone listened to his music.
enjoypolydor 1 year ago
oh, i laughed so hard, when he connected teen pregnancy or AIDS with rock music. how sick...
also frank zappa is cool, but sometimes he had to say something...one short one minute monologue to unmask this hypocritical old guys.
secrattnega 2 years ago
You get a better sense of what the man was about in Frank Zappa on Larry King Live Part 1 August 13, 1985
OnceAPunAThyme 2 years ago
@OnceAPunAThyme
good interview, indeed. i liked his reference to the trombone glissando being forbidden at one time.
JonP1961 2 years ago
Frank was his own worst enemy, here; he appears pompous where really he is at a point beyond exasperation that anyone should be giving oxygen to the sticking plaster distraction of throwing money at censoring pop lyrics, where he would rather be discussing solutions to society's ills with educated grown ups.
OnceAPunAThyme 2 years ago
he put on a good show but all the other guys thought he was a joke - they didn't give him any credibility. frank, that's not how you persuade people.
dementedpianist 2 years ago
NIGGER!!!!!....was that offensive? I'm sorry, but the same rules apply today. Words are words and it is interpretation alone that determines human action/reaction.
Teajryan 2 years ago 2
@Teajryan you should say "black brother"
leoncorpion 2 years ago
@Teajryan
And the context. Carlin hit one out of the ballpark with his skit on language/thought....
JonP1961 2 years ago
the liars defeat themselves with their own hypocrisy and ignorance. their agenda is apparent... control... they lost then... they will lose again... they will never win. the pmrc is evil... hitler in a priest's robe. religious scum.
axeofgod72 2 years ago
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Frank Zappa was an arrogant smug jerk who was "only in it for the money." As Lou Reed said "Zappa couldn't write a decent song if he was given a million dollars and a year on a Greek island." How convenient for Zappa to think that his filthy perverted lyrics have no power to influence anyone! Words make reality stupid! Study postmodernist theory. Should little kids listen to music and panty sniffing?
nightfevers 2 years ago
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morsecode2112 2 years ago
hi nightfevers-censorship is a very blunt tool-u dont change opinions and encourage freedom of thought -let alone freedom of speech through censorship-i condone censorship but as a last resort and used very sparingly-i dont support political correctness-its very undemocratic for one thing and secondly it stifles debate.... secondly i love the v/u and im not a zappaphile-but frank was an excellent guitarist,very good and prolific song writer and far more successful and more intelligent than lou
steve273 2 years ago
prt 2....to nightfevers-hi again lol -u r very subjective and not making a valid point when u say franks lyrics are dangerous but lous lyrics arent-lou glorified drugs like heroin-frank is very outspoken against drug-use-he hated pot and especially hard drugs like heroin-lou wrote and sung numerous songs glorifyiing drugs-and prostitution and sado machism and more besides-im not judging lou-like i said- i love the v/u-as for lou-his opinions are simply that-lets be objective dont just quote lou
steve273 2 years ago
Zappa owned those douchebags.
VivSavage 2 years ago 50
When will this argument ever get old. I am sick of hearing it. But i am thirsty for as much Zappa as i can get. I'm completely stoned, i'm hippy and i'm trippy, i'm a gypsy on my own.
theleterminator 2 years ago 2
What's interesting about all of this is that the PMRC & modern "concerned" organizations are the ones that put so much weight on this allegedly "bad" lyrics. Left alone, none of these "lyrics" carry any weight -- they are just words, like Zappa said. But when you start isolating certain types of music, putting labels on them, then you make the lyrics more influential AND more desirable by rebellious children.
kt0wnhero 2 years ago 9
I was just talking about this with my older brother the other day. He told me that when he was kid(late '80s/early '90s)he would actively seek out the albums with parental warning labels because "that's how [he] knew they were good."
Reaper2k 2 years ago 5
I like how the one guy kept on saying "3000 children getting pregnant a day is new." It's funny, considering that teen pregnancy rates in the US have consistently dropped since their high in the 1950s.
slycordinator 2 years ago 4
The end result of this was that the records that got labelled sold more.Some people never learn.
mrbrianmccarthy 2 years ago 7
Right around :30 the guy on the left got to the heart of the matter. He might as well have said "Wait a minute! You're a lying, hypocritical piece of shit who wants to push your own moral agenda on the rest of society aren't you?" I think that's the kind of statement Frank would have preferred, and he's right, it would have gotten the point across ALOT faster!
MrOvercaffeinated 2 years ago
Exactly! Amen....
morsecode2112 2 years ago
Personally, I'm actually concerned about music that promotes STUPIDITY, which is mainly christian rock.
Metalguy 2 years ago 6
WOW How can anybody be so dumb. ANY publicity is good publicity. If a kid goes into a store and sees a CD without a label beside one with a WARNING a kid that wnats to rebel against their parents (which most teens do ) which one are they go to pick? I listened to heavy metal as a teen but I haven't killed anyone.
TNO73 2 years ago 2
i agree - hip hop, rap, etc the MOBO has far more hard hitting lyrics regarding sexual violence, rape, sado-masochism, violence and drugs than heavy metal ever did
wildizer 2 years ago
NO. la cara de nerd del de anteojitos supera lo imaginable.
anitasseo 2 years ago
Imagine the evolution if you will of how Hip-Hop has used words.
vanderbiltst 2 years ago
The original PMRC protagonists were the Gore family. They have always been into grandstanding. Al Gore now spends his time lecturing others on so-called climate change, while using up huge amounts of the earth's resources himself. Parasite and hypocrite.
happyuk06 2 years ago
Mmmmm, no. Go away.
Parvenu333 2 years ago
Hmmmm, yes. Get some facts.
happyuk06 2 years ago
Yep. Plus his son is a drug addict loser. Look up Al gore son and watch the clips. I guess Tipper should have been looking after her own instead of predicting the downfall of others. They lost as parents. They need to just go away.
peartfaldo 2 years ago
Man, the last video the fat guy seemed all right, now he's talking out his ass.
Gopherbassist 2 years ago
awesome stuff. and the guy in the glasses looks like harold ramis to boot. haha. GO FRANK!
cj1982 2 years ago
Jeff Ling and the PMRC are BOTH so full of $&#% that they stink. and the same for WMC!!!!!!!!!!!
MrNutinfancy 2 years ago
Exactly. The problem is the obsurd level of hypocracy present in big companies, when they tried to put a warning on these albums with words that were 'offensive' they simply sold better. These are the poeple who apparently support the right of free speech saying that people can't say certain words. They're just trying to control people a little more underhanded-ly. They give people the right to agree, not the right of free speech. The people who want to censor or blot out records are just facist
PneRobinho619 2 years ago 2
The PMRC is just a big group of asswipes that don't give a damn about the families and what they hear. I believe that records with anything "offensive" in the lyrics should just have a warning. if you want to listen to it you should have the right to, and zappa couldn't be more spot on. They're just words people! What are you getting so worked up about?! You don't have to freaking OBEY the musician and do as you are told! they are just expressing themselves! don't be such a-holes about it!
wayrod51 2 years ago 5
If this guy was so worried about kids contracting Aids, a more constructive way to safeguard them would be to create better sex education and condom dispensing programs in schools. That said, the over sexification of pre-teens is getting a out of hand. The real criminals here are the child-marketers who target and bombard kids the moment they're out of the womb. Kids should be able to play in nature and make their own fun and imaginary games, not be "educated" to find their fun from consumerism.
HaroldPlatypus 2 years ago 3
YES! Thats exactly right. Now, that is not what Frank's point was, but its close enough and probably what some of his number 1 problems with society today would be.
asdfasmfnasdflasjkf 2 years ago
DK Heavy Metal? lol
TheHairyHeart 2 years ago
People must be liable for their own decisions.
ShanksDChopper 2 years ago
my parents never bought me music.
loosedloon 2 years ago
my parents bought me music. I still remember the day my mom came home from work with Master of puppets. Great stuff
Destruktive 2 years ago 2
The PMRC stated what they were all about as soon as they tried to link music to AIDS.
demoghist 2 years ago
The invasive nature of EVERY group like the PMRC is to keep the public docile and uninformed. Our government DOESN'T WANT us to make choices for ourselves. These guys actually made remarks about "COUNTERCULTURE" being bad. The fact that they can be so stupidly passionate about this crap proves that they have no lives outside of their cloistered little worlds. Frank was a brilliant musician, but also a thinker. His ability to express himself without having a hissy fit is commendable. RIP FZ!
brikrantz 2 years ago 4
zappa's responses were calm, collected and delivered with eloquence as always.
"What do you make of a society that is so primitive that it clings to the belief that certain words in its language are so powerful that they could corrupt you the moment you hear them?" - the man himself
hctee 2 years ago 6
Explicit lyrics causes and spreads AIDS - they guy is such a damn child.
gregwi562 2 years ago 2
It is impossible to establish a causal correlation between musical taste and sexual activity. Even if every person that listened to heavy metal contracted an STD, how could you demonstrate that it was the lyrics from their album collection that caused their behavior? Their musical taste might be incidental to their sexual activity.
scottvska 2 years ago
LOL, you obviously never had a good band that "set the mood."
globalistbrat 2 years ago
* I disagree with Mr. Zappa. I believe music can influence behavior. But so can literature, lectures, speeches, sermons,commercials,... I think someone who screws up their own and / or someone else's life would likely do it with or without a favorite song. My favorite song is Ship Ahoy.
* Many people think Zappa's music was just a bunch of crazy lyrics. Most was anything but crazy. Some of his music seemed so complicated and he played guitar with such speed and flair.
bleeshpo 2 years ago
nightfevers: He had lyrics dealing with loose-moral women as well, but it was a satire. He was simply taking the piss. And that's the reason people listen to it. They don't want to be whores, they like making fun of them.
If there are some kids that are so stupid they are likely to act on a few lyrics, they definitely won't like Franks music. It's at many places so dissonant, that they couldn't listen to it.
Slayerplsko 2 years ago
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Listen how arrogant, smug and absolutist Zappa is: "We are talking about words...only words" Frank used stupid filthy lyrics "ram it up your cornhole" as a means to sell records. He was "only in it for the money" and totally prostituted his 'talent' to the buck. Frank said he would allow 8 year olds to watch porn! You agree? Self-serving jerk who dinies the power of his own music on kids. Frank didn't give a hoot about the health of teens or the well being of American culture.
nightfevers 2 years ago
What power of his own music on kids?? Which kid have you seen listen to a fusion of atonal, 20th century classical, jazz, minimalist and rock?? Which kids could understand the music of Weasels Ripped My Flesh?? Or any album?? Moreoever, people do like those filthy lyrics Frank had written, yes. But they are meant to be satirical, he wasn't being serious. And Frank's fans know it. So what wrong influence could it have??
Slayerplsko 2 years ago
lol.
themop09 2 years ago
you're an idiot
GreenSociety42O 2 years ago
Notice how everybody except Zappa looks fucking lame.
youvebeenthunderstru 2 years ago 9
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What a conceited and smug anus Zappa was. No labels for records cause words mean nothing! Of couse they do! Zappa has a twisted and filthy mind and he doesn't want to be held accountable for the import of his own words. He is responsible partly, for the degridation of culture in the USA. Get out of the gutter Frank and elevate your mind beyong extrement, genitals, panties, etc. Get a life.
nightfevers 2 years ago
You ignorant fucking cunt. Do you have any idea just how stupid what you just said was?
Fucker.
ThieleM 2 years ago 3
you're a cunt
jocular1987 2 years ago 2
...Wow, you'll love John Lofton.
And this whole argument is baseless, it essentially states that the youth of America, then and today, are weak-minded morons with no hope who need their hand held under the guidance of government and "adults" with a higher moral code. I, for one, do not need anyone to tell me what is right or wrong, or demand that I not listen or look at a certain genre/video, whatever type of media available. That is censorship and fascism.
HighZombiesRule 2 years ago
And America was degraded long before any "Rock" musician came here. In fact, music has nothing to do with what a person does, or acts. And Frank's music is probably way deeper than any of what you listen to. You just looked on the shallow surface and saw satirical lyrics. His music is way deeper than that, and I'm glad it went over your head. Good day.
HighZombiesRule 2 years ago
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nightfevers 2 years ago
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Jaybass311 2 years ago
F*%K THE PMRC!
wendywhalen 2 years ago 5
6:14 -6:15 - man, don't you just wanna shove a big cock up jeff fatass lang's bovine throat
mancheromanchero 2 years ago
The real point is... or WAS, at the time... to label this stuff, it would have to be pulled off the air. BACK THEN, radio play was huge. It would've destroyed any artist who wanted to express anything sexual or violent. Sex and violence go all the way back to the Bible, which these morons beat (along with their wives and cocks) "all day and all night and all afternoon."
sc0ner 2 years ago
frank zappa won this arguement when he inserted the 99.9% love songs
mancheromanchero 2 years ago 2
99.9 % love songs! ;)
oliverecords 2 years ago
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Zappa was a smug, arrogant and cynical jerk who indulged his perverted sexual propensities to twist the minds of kids. "Words don't matter and have no effect"? Okay sure. Say it if it serves your purpose and makes you money, right Frank? But its not true as well all know. Ram it up your cornhole Frank, as you would say!
nightfevers 2 years ago
Yep, Zappa forced himself upon me. You can't escape Zappa, I'm such a victim, every where I went there was zappa everywhere, brain washing me.
I heard word of mouth there was some hilarious songs I needed to hear, and that's what they are. I sought them out, it wasn't forced upon me.
You don't like that people are making decisions you disagree with, and you're a piece of shit. Vote away what you don't like you intolerant prick.
MetaRoland 2 years ago 2
you're taking that line out of context you f-u-c-k-i-n idiot !!
mancheromanchero 2 years ago
just one word for you...no; two: ignorant idiot
micanut48 2 years ago
god your a fucking dumbass
JoKeRzCaRdProDucTion 2 years ago
Learn how to read and then write to me you loser.
nightfevers 2 years ago
@nightfevers
lol troll
Swatsinger 2 years ago
with EDUCATION, kids old enough to expose themselves to this material are intelligent enough to make informed decisions.
Sadly, it appears a lot of parents keep young people in the dark and uneducated on things that scare them, rather than confronting them head-on.
Being a parent comes with responsibilities.
fatigue81 2 years ago 3
just creepy little losers with zero intelligence and massive
frustration
compoostir 2 years ago 2
PMRC Jeff Ling = putz
luchpockets 2 years ago 2
Pathetic
Morons
Ridiculously
Corporated
subjulio 2 years ago 6
I think Jeff Ling is on Pat Robertson's payroll, has a double life chasing down young boys through Craigslist, and bends over so Tipper Gore can yang him in his ling-ling with her plastic vibra-toy with a XXX NRSC rating on it
Kompozitur 2 years ago 3
@Kompozitur How dare you say that! You should be ashamed of yourself! I know him personally and you're just making up things about people for the heck of it. And seriously have some respect! Why bring sex into the picture? Don't be such a pervert talking about vibrators and stuff. What's wrong with you?
HeatherJ315 1 year ago
Ahhhh ... the Reagan years. Pinch-assed Republicans scare America with visions of debauchery via music. They've been scaring the public ever since. And, despite their "efforts", music has only gotten more profane (gangta rap) and meaningless.
On the flip side, while these bozos were prattling on about morals, Ronald Reagan - due to his paranoid anti-commie hysteria - was funding a bloody war that resulted ion the deaths of 18,000Nicaraguans. There's your morality for you. Hypocrites.