straightd0pe vs Brett Keane Debate 4-16-11

[gamingeugenics]

Dope must be a lawyer because he is conducting a flawless trial here.

[evilaj2010]

@gamingeugenics Well think of it this way, his friend is a attorney (or something like that). And just recently he's been accepted to law school so putting those pieces together sounds right come to think of it.l

[TheTrzeminator6418]

Slight dope keeps ridden Keane on his book. Who cares??

[inurb4se]

Brett Keane has to have severe brain damage.

[Domzdream]

'give and old man a chance'??

Brett's 34 years old. I'm 36, and I feel like I'm in my late 20's.

I was a Brett keane fan for a long while. I chatted to the guy via messages all the time. I had no idea he was such a liar. Then I voice my opinion with a constructive criticism against what he was saying about atheists, and BOOM, the bastard goes and blocks me. I'm so dissapointed in the guy.

But this debate was cringe worthy. And EPIC!!!

[Lava111222]

Watching this, just listening to Brett lie over and over made me want to end my life.

[Ifailatlife1991]

straightd0pe is a fucking idiot

[The8starr]

@BrettKeaneJr I agree Brett One and Epic intro music dude! lol

[OperationRageQuit]

Wow repect or "props" to you Sir, an hour and a half long video AND its 720p

Thanks for this. :)

[atheistryan]

Brett keane is a fucking idiot

[sneakybeard]

both are infuriating pissheads.

[MrFrothinger]

d0pe wins

[SebMcMeb]

SD Is the man, I respect him good.

[Acrimonator]

First Brett goes through a typical VenomFangXation, then he kind of Nephilimfreeze...

[laflugantabastardo]

That was fucking amazing. No idea who these guys are, but man, that guy was caught in a web of lies. And this Canadian dude has such a good, dry delivery.

[jcgadfly]

@BrettKeaneJr What color is the sky on your world?

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

In not on, stupid.

[BELACSAMOHT]

@BELACSAMOHT

And Brett lost miserably.

[jcgadfly]

@BELACSAMOHT You live underground, do you? I live on the surface of my world. What's it like down there?

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

You don't live on the troposphere, you live in it.

[jcgadfly]

@BELACSAMOHT I live on the ground (the surface/crust of the place we call earth). I do not live in the clouds as you seem to, numbnuts. I live in the atmosphere but I walk on the ground - try it sometime (if you can get your head out of the clouds). We do, however, agree that Brett got his hind parts handed to him.so I at least know you're sane.

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

You live in this world. You live on the earth.

[jcgadfly]

@BELACSAMOHT A distinction without a difference unless you are a Christian and believe that you are God's special ambassador of a heavenly kingdom. In which case, you guys can have Brett - he fits right in.

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

Both parties are guilty of argumentum ad ignorantiam.

[jcgadfly]

@BELACSAMOHT Between Christians and Brett - I agree that they operate on arguments from ignorance. Between StraightDope and Brett? I'd need some proof that SD is working from an argument from ignorance.

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

Between Atheists and Christians. Nothing to do with the video.

[jcgadfly]

@BELACSAMOHT Not sure how that is as atheism does not make a claim of knowledge concerning gods.. Christianity does

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

Atheism makes argumentum ex silentio, as well as reductio ad ridiculum.

[jcgadfly]

@BELACSAMOHT That would be true only if atheism claimed knowledge. As atheism is merely a claim of belief compared to Christianity's claims of knowledge your arguments fall flat.

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

Atheism is claiming knowledge.

[jcgadfly]

@BELACSAMOHT Incorrect. Please look up the word.

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

Atheism is asserting the lack of existence of a personal or impersonal god or gods. A more formal defintion is as follows; "Atheism, in a broad sense, is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist", and since it is propounding a unfounded claim, one which lacks the proper grounds for such a conviction, it is...

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

therefore guilty of the fallacy argumentum ad ignorantiam.

[jcgadfly]

@BELACSAMOHT OK - you need to look up that fallacy as well. You have a lot to learn.

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

Nope.

[jcgadfly]

@BELACSAMOHT And you refuse to learn - why am I not surprised?

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

You haven't even provided anything which contradicts my argument. How would I learn anything when you don't present any material? I'm right, you're wrong. Face it.

[jcgadfly]

@BELACSAMOHT First, I have provided counters to your arguments. You just like ignoring them. Next, you don't even know what the fallacies you claim you see are so there's no point in continuing with you. Third, I'll wait until you know what atheism is before we go on. Hit the books, son!

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly "First, I have provided counters to your arguments" Where? "Third, I'll wait until you know what atheism is before we go on. Hit the books, son!" Someone's pulling a Brett Keane.

[jcgadfly]

@BELACSAMOHT and I wish you'd stop being Brett. OK once more for you. Atheism is a standard of belief. It makes no statement about knowing whether there is a God or not. You still need to learn what the fallacies are that you cite because atheism makes no claims that fall into those fallacies. It makes no claim at all besides "I don't have enough evidence to believe in a god"

Not having a belief in God is not the same as saying there is no God. You sound like you have some evidence to share.

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

" It makes no statement about knowing whether there is a God or not." It does, it proposes the lack of its existence, which is a fallacious proposition."You still need to learn what the fallacies are that you cite because atheism makes no claims that fall into those fallacies." "There is no evidence for God, therefore he does not exist." Argumentum ad ingnorantiam, ex silentio. "Yes, and there are invisible pink unicorns flying about too." Reductio ad ridiculum.

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly a·the·ism [ey-thee-iz-uhm]  Show IPA –noun 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god. 2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. Origin: 1580–90; < Greek áthe ( os ) godless + -ism dis·be·lief [dis-bi-leef] Show IPA –noun 1. the inability or refusal to believe or to accept something as true.

[jcgadfly]

@BELACSAMOHT You proved my point - thank you. Saying "I believe there is no God" is not the same thing as saying "I know there is no God". One is a statement of belief - the other a statement of knowledge. Atheism is not a position of knowledge but of belief. Thanks for admitting it.

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

"You proved my point - thank you. Saying "I believe there is no God" is not the same thing as saying "I know there is no God"." It's a negation of God's existence in both instances. Your sophistry is permeable.

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

"Correct and accurate conclusions may be arrived at if we carefully observe the relation of the spheres of concepts, and only conclude that one sphere is contained in a third sphere, when we have clearly seen that this first sphere is contained in a second, which in its turn is contained in the third. On the other hand, the art of sophistry lies in casting only a superficial glance at the relations of the spheres of the concepts...."

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly "...and then manipulating these relations to suit our purposes, generally in the following way: — When the sphere of an observed concept lies partly within that of another concept, and partly within a third altogether different sphere, we treat it as if it lay entirely within the one or the other, as may suit our purpose."-Arthur Schopenhauer.

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

Quit acting like Brett Keane by making dishonest arguments.

[jcgadfly]

@BELACSAMOHT You brought up the dictionary and it agrees with my position not yours. Nothing like pwning yourself, is there? Keep doing it. where's the evidence that atheism is a knowledge position? Surely you have some?

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

"Keep doing it. where's the evidence that atheism is a knowledge position?" Disbelief is a negation of the contrary position, it's the same thing as denying or asserting. Are you stupid?

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

denying or asserting contrarily.*

[jcgadfly]

@BELACSAMOHT ??? What does that connect to? Certainly not the dictionary definition. Are you really saying that you accept something as true simply because someone says so?

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

Look at the very definition of Argumentum ad ignorantiam, too.

[jcgadfly]

@BELACSAMOHT I think you are making a mistake in applying the fallacy here. Saying "I don't know whether there is a God or not so I don't believe in one" isn't the same as "I don't know how "x" works so God must have done it".

[BELACSAMOHT]

@jcgadfly

Essentially; If a proposition has not been disproven, then it cannot be considered false and must therefore be considered true. If a proposition has not been proven, then it cannot be considered true and must therefore be considered false.

[jcgadfly]

@BELACSAMOHT False dichotomy a la Matt Slick. Two beliefs can't be right, true. Both, however, can be incorrect. It's not an either/or situation as you want it to be.

[okieoneshinobi]

What kind of cowardly piece of garbage. Oh don't call me Edward, my friends will know what a piece of garbage I am. Edward is the worst kind of human. Eddy can make fun of everyone else but then cries every time it bites him. What a coward. It is OK to put his name in a comment because he personally attacks everyone else. What a loser.

[Acrimonator]

@okieoneshinobi LOL, you obviousely didn't watch the show...

[okieoneshinobi]

Straitd zero pe is a cowardly piece of garbage. What kind of coward can't even show his face.

[evilaj2010]

@okieoneshinobi He already explained why he won't show his face and he clearly said AND has evidence that his name is not Edward you moron. He doesn't even make fun of people to begin with, it's called CRITICISM. Learn to think before you type.

[thevoice81111]

@okieoneshinobi Does it matter about his face ? hes probably just being sensible because he wants to protect his identity, the real piece of garbage is Brett Keane who begs strangers on the Internet for money.

[Domzdream]

@okieoneshinobi

I have to agree with evilaj2010 (about hiding his face). If I was doing controversial video's, I'd also hide my face. Firstly in case there are crazy fucks out there (which there are) who'd track you down, or recocnise you. And my career might be in danger. Especially if you've been in school for 6 years, only to lose the chance of getting your dream job due to a few vociferous clips. It's an obvious and safe option- don't show your face.

Sdope's right.

[junihibiki]

I have no idea what's going on, but I think I like Brett more just because the other guy is Anonymous.

;DDD

[evilaj2010]

@junihibiki Let's just say that it's a loooooooong story that has been going on since 2007 x)

[saberman41]

@evilaj2010 how can u make such a long vid are u a partner?

[rossjnd]

@saberman41 The time restriction was lifted.

[Manoichan]

@junihibiki You 'like' a scam-artist e-begger, guiltless bullshitter over someone that provides evidence to all of his claims he's made in the past year and a half because he has a picture of Anonymous to represent himself?.. Wow.. just.. wow..

[evilaj2010]

@Manoichan Relax dude, it was just sarcasm.

[junihibiki]

@Manoichan Precisely.

[Foxhound3857]

@Manoichan At least Brett has the balls to show his face on camera. Dopes reason was bullshit; nobody is gonna fire him or keep him from getting a job simply because of his Youtube videos.

And I'm not defending Brett; I know what a lying, scumbag piece of shit he is. But I know that both parties agreed to be civil with each other, and it seemed like dope wasn't holding up his end of that agreement most of the time. He was insulting Brett more than was warranted.

[evilaj2010]

@Foxhound3857 Uh jackass, there are jobs out there where they won't hire you or can make you lose your job depending on the work that you do so stop living in your fantasy world believing that and Brett deserved to be insulted for getting people like dope's channel suspended for filing false DMCAs.

[Foxhound3857]

@evilaj2010 Provide proof before you make a dumbass assertion like that instead of just expecting everyone to take it at face value.

[evilaj2010]

@Foxhound3857 You must be stupid if you need proof when you can just by oh I don't know, google it perhaps? Moron.

[Foxhound3857]

@evilaj2010 And it shows how shallow and cowardly you are to throw insults at me instead of taking the high road and just providing proof.

[evilaj2010]

@Foxhound3857 Of course I am going to insult you because you are too stupid to even google it. Hell, even Manoichan has told you to google "lost jobs because of facebook". Don't play stupid with me dude, give me a break.

[Manoichan]

@Foxhound3857 There has been plenty who have lost a lot for less. Google 'lost jobs because of facebook' and be in awe by the shit you get slapped with.

[HandsInMyHead]

Respond to this video... Man, Brett is sure getting his just deserts, ... funny how a liar squirms around trying every goddam angle to change the subject & hopefully get out of it.

S.D. makes mince meat out of him, exposing him for the scumbag he is.

Fucking Brett Keanne, what a piece of dirt.

[johncerasi]

Brett Keane, you have been owned. Leave YouTube.

[TheKingOfRuckus]

This video makes it 100% clear as day that Brett Keane is a pathological liar. He knows exactly what he did in each circumstance, yet still tries to double talk himself out of the subject each time he's called on his bullshit. Anyone defending him at this point has no one to blame but themselves.

[TheKingOfRuckus]

Thanks for posting this man, I didn't catch it live:)

[GodsBurden]

I have no idea what this about, but this brett keane guy seems like a dick.

[evilaj2010]

@GodsBurden Check out the link on the annotation to get a better idea.