ASRAAM

[krhonhos]

did he said 50 kilometers ,FIFTY KILOMETERS?

[worlwr2]

ATC: "How many have you assram'ed today?"

Pilot: "Well it's not how many, its how many they all took, raped 3, each dual assramed"

Ron Jeremy: "U noob ive been assram'ing since the 70s"

[Lusocompvid]

That's a lot of money to research on one missile.

[us79er]

6 billion pounds! охереть можно...

[bestamerica]

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hope this missile can hit and destroy ussr russia jetfighter

[TheARMAProductions]

@thelleht Yeah Wiki has it at 300 m – 18 km. The guy got it totally wrong lol

[Dreadnought942]

assraam nice rocket name

[stalkingalizee]

6 billion quid on a fucking missile... no way

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee It shouldn't of cost that much as initially, the US and Europe were involved but then pulled out. The reason why the UK had no choice but to continue development of this missile is because of the agility advantage that the Russian jets had over ours at the time (namely the Tornados, Harriers and jaguars). ASRAAM is a very good system.

[stalkingalizee]

@TheARMAProductions You could buy two new ACs for that much quid. The only export was to RAAF. Better just to buy IRIS-T or AIM-9X and put that money back into MoD's budget.  Now there is a 38 billion black hole and a host of underfunded projects. Latest complaint is from Chief of Landforces saying British soldiers will be walking by 2015.

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee The missiles don't cost 6 billion quid mate. Ahh lol now I know why you were so shocked. The actual unit cost is more like £200,000. The 6 billion is the price it cost to develop the missile. keep in mind that METEOR is estimated to cost around £1,000,000 UK Sterling.

[stalkingalizee]

@TheARMAProductions I know it is development cost... that is why I am shocked. Missiles get developed in the hundreds of millions, not billions. The total cost to develop AND produce METEOR is only 1.6 billion quid, so less than a billion in R&D. ASRAAM is a total fuck up.

[stalkingalizee]

Excuse my French... a total money pit

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee There was issues with nations pulling out of the ASRAAM project which is what bumped up the cost and caused the delay. Why is ASRAAM a total fuck up mate? It was delayed due to idiots pulling out but the Ozzies were keen to buy it. Are you saying that the ASRAM is not a good WVR missile?

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee Be fair now mate...you think all of British technology is shit lol. We have done ok over the years. BAE is the worlds no.1 arms company so we must be doing somethign right. BAE owns allot of the USA's weapons companies now.

[stalkingalizee]

@TheARMAProductions It isn't shit... it is a money pit. Everything coming out of BAE is almost 50% over budget. Lockheed is #1, BAE is #2 and most of its employees and orders are in the US. It has become a monopoly in the UK and now their is no competition to keep prices down. I think it has done the UK defence industry serious wrong by bankrupting MoD.

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee I'd agree with the money pit thing. This is a big issue which is being addressed but your wrong on Lockheed being the biggest arms dealer. I can see why someone would assume that but here's data from Sipri:-

w w w . guardian . c o . u k / business/2010/apr/12/bae-syste­ms-weapons-arms-manufacturers

"BAE tops global list of largest arms manufacturers"

If I'm wrong then fair play but back what you say up with evidence my friend.

[stalkingalizee]

@TheARMAProductions

Defense News Top 100 has Lock Mart at #1 

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee Well Defence News is an American based media outlet. Spiri is an independant international comapny keeping track of arms sales world wide. Which one are you going to believe?

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee BAE owns allot of the US arms industry. 50% of it's business comes from it's US subs. I don't see how the Mod is banrupt either? They are cutting due to the Tories wanting to get out od debt asap but if the shit hits the fan we can just recal our place as the worlds largest foriegn aid donator (in terms of % of GDP). Our priority is the economy at the moment as that's the real key. Without that there's no miitary. France is no better which is why their also keen to work with us

[stalkingalizee]

@TheARMAProductions Made in USA for US doesn't help the UK. If Thales and Safran merged they would be just as big and not rely on US outsourcing for its size. £38 billion blackhole says they are bankrupt. Cutting 1/3 of RAF, decom of RN carriers, 1/4 of 1st rate ships and losing a third of armour/artillery are the effects and there is still £1.6 billion a year that has to cut.

DGA does a far better job spending money in procurement and R&D than the UK.

[TheARMAProductions]

These are all short term cuts so as to get out of debt. Whether you admit it or not, the public sectors have gotten too big in Western nations and that inludes France. The Tories are going down the route of cuts. Had Labour of been in power then it would of been a different story altho I'm with the Tory posistion on this. Cut now, reap the gains later. Well i'm not arguing about who does a better job mate. i was telling you just how big BAE really are.  We are stillg etting the carriers btw

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee UK does ok man. We manage to fight in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, NI as well as keep an eye on places like the Falkalnds and fight there if need be. No other nation on earth can do that with the budget we have. UK is somethign special....

[stalkingalizee]

@TheARMAProductions Just looking at Libya shows how far the UK has declined compared to France with 2X the fighters, 3X the ships and 4X the helicopters deployed. UK spends more and does less. Value for money is not there.

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee What your not taking into account is that the UK has to maintain a presence in the Falklands. Unlike all these other wars, if that kicks off then we will be on our own. France, US, Germany etc will not fight on thier own but have to fight under NATO. Do less? We have over 10, 000 soldiers currently in Afghanistan and in Helamnd. What does France have? Where was France in iraq? The Falklands etc? It's the UK who does far more. If I'm wrong then correct me.

Big difference....

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee To say France has done more is laughable mate...you have to admit that. France has done more in Libya but only because we are fighting all over the damn place. France does very little in Afghanistan and did nothing in Iraq. Your casualty figures and the places where you put your troops show this. Just because you have dropped more bombs, have a few more ships for Libya, that does not mean your doing more in the world lol

[stalkingalizee]

@TheARMAProductions Not really. UK ops in Iraq ended 2 yrs ago. France has a combat brigade running two provinces in Astan and does it well. We do that, overthrow dictators in Cote d'Ivoire, fight a civil war in Chad, hunt kidnappers in Nigeria, fight pirates in Somalia, keep the peace in Lebanon and Kosovo, and run naval patrols the world over at the same time while leading the operation in Libya.

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee Astan is not Hellmand. Only the brits/yanks dare fight in helmand. I'm not bashing your soldiers as it's your leaders who decide where to put them. We are also fighting Pirates in Somalia as with many...big deal. That's just a side show and not a real fight. I'm talking real fighting like Agfhanistan, Falklands, iraq etc etc. As for France being Europes no.1 power...it's not just about numbers but about experience. The UK is far more experienced than France over the last 50 years

[stalkingalizee]

@TheARMAProductions You really want to rehash Helmand and the embarrassment brought out by wikileaks? I am not bashing your soldiers but their performance was so poor the US Marines had to take over. France does more than just run a ship off Somalia, it runs a huge base in Djibouti launching commando raids deep into Puntland, runs ATL 2s all over the IOR and a dozen ships capturing more pirates than anyone. Falklands and Iraq are over, it is about activity and France is more active ops.

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee It's not that their performace was poor. 10,000 soldiers is not enough to cover Helmand and we have been there the longest 9as usual). If France and others were to help then we may stand a better chance but not even the Americans can control that place. It's why France dares to come down to Helmand. They fear the casualties that would come with it. Helmand is where the activity is at and to criticize us when your country refuses to get it's hands dirty is ridiculous.

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingal The truth is we will all loose in Afghanistan. We are fighting with one hand tied behind our backs. I used Helmand as an example of our will to fight compared to Frances unwillingness to fight on the ground (where it counts anyway). What ur saying is let's forget the last 30 yearsand focus on this particular moment because it suits your argument. When judging who does more, you have to look at a time period and not the current year. France has very little front line combat experience

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee I can agree that Helmand is a struggle but the Yanks are struggling so it's not just the UK. If France or anyone else think they can do a better job then they should come down and play with us :)

Logic tells you that if you fight in the parts where there's real fighting going on then your going to have the worst of it. This is why we have now lost over 371 soldiers compared to France's 59. Your being dishonest by even bringing that into this lol

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee Lets put it another way mate...It would be interesting to see what would happen if France were to try and attack the UK :)

That's hypothetical ofc lol. My money sais that when the bayonets come out...you guys stop. This is what i mean by numbers. Look, on paper, even Japan is stronger than the UK but what do you think would happen there? Nobody really knows unless we put it to the test between UK and France. Their very equal and allot would come down to heart.

[stalkingalizee]

@TheARMAProductions Let us put it another way mate... if Scotland gets independence, MoD is going to be gutted far worse than any SDSR cuts.

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee Do you really belive that Scotland, with a population of 5 million are going to vote to be independent mate? They had a vote years ago and 90% were against it. London subsidizes them as well as Wales massively. The SNP are like a protest vote as the Scots historically hate the Tories and are pissed off with Labour. Mark my words...you'll never see an independence referrendum in your lifetime. That's Russia Today propaganda :)

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee Scotlands an interesting debate tho (assuming u really are interested and not just trolling). Look, Scotlands population is around 5 million. Wales is even less. Englands is around 52 million. The public services in both Wales & Scotland are heavily subsidized by London. The intrest alone that we pay on our national debt is larger than Scotlands entire budget. Any independence will be minimal. More devolution is what will likely happen. Scotlands too small to be truly independent

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee Now you can see why the UK decided to cut it's public sector so deeply (which includes the military). Now you can see the importance of the economy over the military. France is about to loose their AAA credit rating which will mean French people paying more for their mortgages and your companies paying more for their loans. The only issue with cuts is that you get civil unrest but that's a price worth paying. The Yanks lost their top rating due to refusing to cut too

[stalkingalizee]

@TheARMA France isn't about to lose AAA, the Big Three ratings all say it is stable. Deficit reduction is on track and the economy has good growth with low inflation. Now, taking the UK with its no growth, high inflation (stagflation) and mass anarchy on the streets, I would be more worried for you. More money is going to be diverted to police which will cut military even more.

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee That's not what I'm hearing dude. Your stock market has more or less crashed. Nah, the rioting has stopped now. The cops are litterally rounding them all up as they were all caught on CCTV (UK is the biggest in the world for CCTV). The rioters are not stupid. They know they can get away with it for a few days but then there will be a crack down. Over 1000 have been charged. It's better than going bankrupt....

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee The reason why France has so far refused to cut deeply is because the Frrench by nature tend to not stand for it. France has a rioting history and if your government cuts then all your Unions will go on the rampage. The Unions are what lost the UK it's car industry for contantly going on strike.

[stalkingalizee]

@TheARMAProductions Our riots don't involve rampant looting and we never seen as bad as UK riots. We are meeting deficit reduction targets and it is far lower than UK deficits. We already cut the hardest issue with pension reform, the rest is downhill. We got a strong auto industry with global empires in Renault and Peugeot Citroën. Introduction of all battery models will lead us into this century and set us for energy independence.

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee These riots were really bad altho they have only gone on for a few days. I think that's a price worth paying to keep our economy intact and our AAA credit rating. Believe....when the cuts come to France we will see the same thing. Maybe not the mindless looting lol but we will see riots and buildings being burnt. It was only a few years ago that the Muslim Ghetto's did this in France over your government cutting their benefits. The French are really defensive of their lifestyles

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee A big problem for the EU is the southern countries such as Greece, Italy, Spain etc. They have issues with corruption and it's they who are bringing us all down. Really, the EU should just be Northern & Western Europe.

[gregrutz]

@stalkingalizee France will be Muslim in 20 Years !

[stalkingalizee]

@gregrutz 15,000 Muslims convert to Christianity every year in France, another 18,000 are deported. There are only 400 full mosques and 1200 smaller registered gathering places compared to 40,000 full size churches. Islamic identity is calculated by national origin, half of those from Islamic countries don't even practice and quite a few of those being counted as Muslim are actually Christians or Tribal religion.

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee France could loose credit rating:

watch?v=2UEmo3WxIxs

French banks collapsing:

watch?v=LILxzWt23TE

Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking the piss because this will have implications all over the globe. I am just justifying the UK public spending cuts mate. It's time to get real and that includes all of us.

[stalkingalizee]

@TheARMAProductions Have you looked at the FTSE lately? It crashed harder than the CAC 40. It is both US and EU debt fears, once it abates it goes back up. Has nothing to do with the fundamentals and France AAA is "secure" and "stable." S&P said both France and UK have no downgrade on horizon. That was the fear and it was false.

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee Well I hope your correct because a downgrade in France's credit rating or a massive failure in your banks will hit us all. This isn't just a French issue but a European one. We are all in this together but like I said, qwe need to deal with these southern EU countries as it's they who are bringing the EU down...

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingal France can be proud that for once it's taking the lead altho that's because you now have a decent leader. Chirac was a wanker. If the UK is so broke and so shit then why is France so keen to work with us? Surely, if France is ok financially and ok technically then they would have no interest in sharing with is no? Your entire complex seems to be about beating the UK at everything but dude, your working with us lol. You should know that unless you've been asleep for the last 6 months

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee I believe the UK gives out roughly 10 billion UK £ in aid each year. This includes the likes of China, India, Russia...I shit you not lol. That's an instant saving there. If times get really hard then we will cut that. We should cut it now but you know how political correctness has crippled the West in general.

[stalkingalizee]

@TheARMAProductions I am not anti-UK... I just know that France has surpassed them as the leading power in Europe. You can thank that on your backwards procurement policy and wasted money at BAE.

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee The English/British are a warrior race. The French were too and just as much but not so much now. You guys seem more liberal in your ways. You guys rely on your tech/numbers a little more but our fighting ways is why we are not liked...even to this day. If you want to see what i'm talking about then just come to any town in the UK on the weekend and you'll see what I mean.

We are known as brutes lol

[TheARMAProductions]

One thing I like about you is that your not disrepectful. Your just a proud Frenchman but you'd be in for a shock if you think France can walk over the UK my friend.

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee Here's another source:

w w w . timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/pol­itics/article4161341 . ece

Just google it mate.

[TheARMAProductions]

"UK Trade and Investment (UKTI) said that arms exporters had added £9.7 billion in new business last year, giving them a larger share of global arms exports than the United States"

[TheARMAProductions]

Trust people...UK got the arms industry on lockdown :)

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee When they talk about this so called special relationship between the US and UK...this is what they really mean. It's the arms industry their talking about. BAE are a lot bigger than you seem to realize my friend. They are the ones developing the advanced electronical warfare systems for the F-15 Silent Eagle and allot of their work is behind the scenes. For example....when you look at a Bardely fighting Vechile your really looking at a BAE system.

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee Then there's RR who own 40% of the comercial airliner engines alone. UK are players in this field.

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee Let's take a look at what the UK is cutting....

Hariers, old carriers, Tanks in Germany, a few bases etc. In other words...old technology that we don't need and that is soon to be replaced. It's a small risk in the short term altho we can do without the carriers for a decade. The only place we may have to fight on our own is the falklands but we are well dug in there and will be the defender ina ny war thus we won't need carriers

[TheARMAProductions]

@stalkingalizee You need to seperate the Mod from BAE too. The MoD is part of the public sector. BAE is part of the private sector. We don't operate like socialist Russia. If our government cuts the public sector spending then this isn't going to have a big effect on BAE. It will have an effect but like I said, over 50% of BAE's business comes from it's subs in the US

[EvicorThunderbolt]

Who knows, maybe it will get as good as R-73 Archer ;)

[TheGroundedAviator]

@EvicorThunderbolt It's faster, so it hits the targer before it can respond, the basic version cannot turn as sharp but a slight modifcation called the P31 would, I'd do it.

[TheGroundedAviator]

@TheGroundedAviator I ment P3I.

[Battery9876]

It has no datalink, shooting it in BVR is likely to be a miss. An expensive miss.

[sufianansari7]

Effective between 2 and 50km? Did I hear or understand that right!

[Hairysteed]

I'm sure that's head-on aspect only

[95predator]

iris-t is better. cant understand why you british didnt have the same requirements for a short ange missile?

[TheARMAProductions]

We had different requirements. At the time of development we didn't have the EF in service which meant that Russian jets could control the engagement at WVR. This is why a very agile missile was needed to off set the agility disadvatage of the Tornado/Harrier/Jaguar at the time. Iris-t doesn't have the off bore capability that ASRAAM has altho is has a longer range envelope. This is why the Ozzies brought ASRAAM as they too were worried about agility

Different nation = different requirements.

[Hairysteed]

Ass-ram ;D

[peepeevagi]

If it's considered good enough to replace the Aim-9 then it really will give the enemy a good ASRAAMing.

[mrgeneralpinochet]

we should have called it the assram....