"and that is why micfranklin...you will be broke and work for the rest of your life...cuz u have 1 of the diseases...go read magic of thinking big then open your mouth. i dont believe the LTD/AMWAY business is a welfare...which is what u'll need here soon. get free go diamond"----hahaha
I'm pretty much done with LTD. Amway, on the other hand, is fine. LTD, to me, is shady to say the least. After spending two yrs in it, going to countless meetings ($5 a pop), night owls ($10) & conferences ($250-$300 four times a yr), I can't take my wallet being bleed dry with nothing to show for it. I'm only 24, I can't afford this "knowledge," which in reality is mostly common sense and slideshows of the Diamonds on vacation. Oh, and Larry Winters doing stand-up comedy.
Answer to question 1:- Because they are looking for a better way to live then the current occupation and options in life have to offer. Question for you is why go to your job to get nothing much to show for it by the time u retire? 80% retire below the median wage and most cannot retire at the age that is recommended, how much worse do u suppose this would be 20yrs or so from now if it's this bad now?
This business isn't for everyone, theres certainly those who like working pyramids, a job, where everyone is trying to get up the ladder where the money is but theres fewer and fewer positions the higher you go. Whatever you do, I wish you all the best, but don't be a critic because theres no money in that.
Criticism is necessary to unveil truths. Being a blind critic is another thing. The average IBO makes a little over 100 dollars and leave the business in 6 months...and its not a business is a distributorship you're basically and independent contractor not a business owner nor an employee... considering the amount of people that are in it that average is severely low in comparison to the average income non amway which is around $35000...far greater
@burson007 All that $100 average means is they take the number of ibo's divided by the total compensation payout. There are people who are making alot of money who has been around for a while, There are those who are not making money, because they are not doing nothing, but jthey renew every year. There are more than 3 million ibo. Just like society among college grad, some people are making millions as ceo's, business owners, or in sales etc. Some college grads are making $10/hour.
@burson007 Thats how it calculated. I'm not in Amway and not trying to promote them. You have to renew to stay active. There is no minimum sales required every month to be active.
Yep he did, getting paid to speak at functions and selling those motivational tools. That's how he and the other 0.001% of IBOs makes their thousands of dollars while the other 99.999% spend thousands a year trying to keep up.
Tell ya what if you ever get a chance to meet ask him how much he makes and see what he says.
Thats what the "average" IBO makes.....not the ones that actually do the work that produces the kind of income Larry Winters is speaking of. He did it the hardest way possible.
I've a better suggestion.....just keep working your job, keep your negative attitudes and views to others that do not want to pursue a dream, and you'll have nothing to complain about.
Let others pursue what they want, and you won't have to be concerned about it.
Please send me the picture of the "anniversary watch" when you get it. I can't wait to see how much they value your tenure and employment at your job.
Tell me how Sucessful are you really? Are you living the dream or can you see that you're a brainwashed tool believing in ultra-right wing religious fanatical cult
Keep waiting.........it's pointless for me or anyone else that has dreams, goals and ambitions to further explain the differences between job mentality and entrepreneurial mindset.
98% of the American public have a job and work for a company. The other 2% own those companies and write the paychecks.
Ok where did you get that knowledge because the most successful business man in America would highly disagree in fact the most wealthy of Americans are liberal and would disagree with this busniess mentality bullshit you buy i to. By the way you're not a business owner you're a sales person look at the agreement a little closer
Hey kinda sounds like a cop out too me...usually when people cop out early its because they can't logically argue any points. Although its pretty hard for a ultra right-wing religious nut who believes in absolutes to argue their points logically anyway
....any "discussion" will wind up as an arguement. The only thing we would agree is we totally disagree on "everything".
Call it a cop out all you want. You'll see only what you want to see. Since our conversation is over, you'll find someone else to repeat this crap with.
Man if only our forefathers thought like you we woudnt have the USA...so essentially the same principles that gave freedom oh which your copping out on? So basically you're saying you have no backing to you're arguments then.
So tell me where you "saved" cuz that would be rich adding to blind ignorance because it would blind any existence to logic at all
You're very good at talking in circles and "blah, blah". I said you'd find plenty of excuses for me to depart this conversation, and you've already proved me right.
Go bother someone else......I have goals and ambitions to accomplish. One is pursuing professional photography. I'm sure you'll find a way to be negative about that and "tie it into the busines".
I'm talking in circles huh? I might be talking in circles due to the fact that i've been responding to you're post which add nothing into the discussion. You haven't provided any points to back you're claims the only thing you've basically have been saying is that im "negative"....
Actually i love photography (one of my hobbies) which is by far more worth while than Amway and believing in ideas that blind people from logic
Oh yeah, make sure you ask IBOs why they're paying for their own hotel meetings to draw interest. As successful as they claim they are they should be funding them well in advance.
i'm sorry but you just seem like a person that thinks they know everything about something. b4 u say anything please be something. its ok we understand if you cant succeed at it...go find a j-o-b and work there for 50+ more yrs. while my 19 yr old butt is enjoying my days hanging out with friends and family.
Well I already have a job and the thing about that is I know exactly what I'm entitled to and what I'm getting from it from the start, paychecks, time off and everything. What you're about to get into is a world full of surprises and sudden changes. You're 19 years old, its typical that a college student is taken prey by this "opportunity," because they know college students are poor and need money. Before you head off in LTD and Amway outings watch the Dateline video about Quixtar first.
My suggestion is that you get off any "college student", 19 or otherwise, anyone that has a dream of being financially free.
You have a job...that in itself shows your limited thinking beyond a week to week paycheck.
No, you don't know what surprises are in store for you in this business, but life happens whether you're in this business of not........it's called excuseidas
The Dateline video is another example of hidden motive NOT to be unbiased, but to undermine the entire truth.
If you cant even tell people you're with Amway when recruiting then that right there is a nasty surprise once they find out, along with all the extra fees, payments and the money to cover travelling to those functions that are so important. As for being financially free you'll be hard pressed to get that when you only average $1400/year.
And again the $1400/year comes from Quixtar's own manual if you doubt me, which I'm sure you do.
dude i like it, lol. i'm almost 19 and free as well able to take vacations whenever i want wherever i want for as long as i want. and impact the world more than some of these politicians. its great to see people our age with the right mentality.
I'm not new in this "Business" because I haven't register and don't plan to, especially after seeing the Dateline story and listening to everyone's stories. That and I've noticed so many inconsistencies with members of this team, such as why none of the 7 people on the "team" I'm supposed to be with ever have any money.
And another thing, why is it that whenever people talk about how much money they have LOST because of Amway, why is the only reason for this being that because they're lazy? I know lazy people exist but I refuse to believe that everyone that fails at something (especially proven scams) is a lazy bastard that will never be "free."
@micfranklin Reply to your 3rd question i don't know. I'm told it's because they don't want people to assume incorrectly about any one person ability to build this business solely on income because it's more about the structure and long term growth then the mediate income they may appear to make. I have found however that some are more open to telling you then others and it comes down to individual preferences.
Again to build a business and be successful takes investment and u have 90days to get your money back if you don't feel it's worth the investment and some products carry extended warranties anyway. So what are you really objecting to exactly?
Issues within a business do not mean the whole thing is shady/scam or bad. Learn the differences in the system and why it works before you critique it please. I did and find nothing wrong with this business model.
#1, I have paid 300 and know people who have paid 30k to sit in on similar training sessions for fortune 500 companies. #2 if youre not paying to attend you have little invested. #3 the amount varies from IBO do to the type of structure in place. I have seen checks of 60K for 1 month. #4 like any business its called training and education. I spend 3-5k a year in training for my full time job, plus $100 a year to keep my certification current. Good questions though.
@crfranchises1 True, and understandable, but me spending nearly $500 to attend a conference in April and only getting vacation slideshows from the Diamonds and comedy act from Larry Winters was the last straw for me. If I invest that much into it and don't get jack squat in return, I'm going to be pissed. I took zero notes that weekend. I'm 24 with barely any disposable income. $500 is a lot for me.
@paqman3d Thank you for the polite response, I can tell you're a class act. I can understand where you are coming from, when I was your age I tried my hand at Quixtar, and I spent more money on tools than anything. I found it hard to justify spending $ with zero to show for it, and myself was on a limited income. One word of advice I got from Larry, if you’re going to build the business go to the function, if you are going to spend money but not do the work needed, you’re just wasting money.
@crfranchises1 Ah, sarcasm. I've been around the business long enough to know it can work, I'm not doubting that, I'm just not in it to go diamond. I feel like LTD puts too much pressure on useless activities that distract me from succeeding. I don't need conferences, CEP, web office, and etc. to sell some stinking XS. C'mon, get real. And Impact '10 was the worst conference I've attended in terms of content. Summit 09 was prob. the best.
@paqman3d Hope you don’t think I was being sarcastic, I meant what I said about you, I'm sure if you have read some of the other comments regarding Amway, they are not so nice. My advice to you is to study Zig, Gitmore, get the book on Connecting by John Maxwell. Pick a couple products you really like and start promoting. It can be done without LTD, A truck driver went 7500 in 2 months selling X's. My team goal is 1000pv customer volume. Good Luck and Merry Christmas.
@crfranchises1 Oh, then my apologies. To me, I felt like it was just a waste of time and money to continue going to meetings, acting like I was doing something with the business. I was so wrapped up in getting set up on the "LTD side" of things, I barely put time into the "Amway side". Everytime I'd make headway selling and contacting with XS, I had to stop and spend $275 on a conference. And on my budget, that derailed my biz for 3-4 months, which was time for another conference lol
@crfranchises1 So it was vicious cycle every 3-4 months. I'd get a batch of new customers interested with product i had on hand, then I'd have stop ordering XS and promo materials to afford a conference. It was really annoying and I missed out on dozens upon dozens of customers. I even told my upline I'd rather not go if I didn't have the money and I was still talked into going. Shame on me. I'll still attend *some* LTD things, but only when my business is worth doing so again.
@crfranchises1 To me, too many IBOs (not you) just fall into LTD robot mode and don't look into doing things themselves. It seemed like I was too busy being my upline's employee rather than "owning" my own business. Cutting myself away from LTD functions for 8 months was the best thing I could have done mentally. I now have a clear direction with what I want to do without my upline clouding it all up and telling me to sell vitamins and ribbon or how i need to pawn my stuff to go to a conference
@paqman3d Wow, sounds like your sponsor is similar to my first. Never took the time to figure out what it is I wanted out of the business. That’s my first question for new people, what do you want? If its a few $100 a month, set up some Grand Openings, teach you how to get referrals, your best type of customer, and help you meet your goals. I remember sitting down as a new IBO, my upline setting up my first “Ditto” and asking me for my credit card. $600?! I don’t think so.
@crfranchises1 My sponsor is a great guy, I just don't appreciate my bank account being disrespected. After I spent nearly $500 going to Impact in April, he was telling me to order backordered junk to get my PV in for the month. Seriously, that was the last straw. He knew how much of a stretch it was to get me and my gf to the function and for him to tell me I need to spend another $300 on dumb stuff to get 150PV took the cake.
@paqman3d The Diamonds in LTD are truly word class. I was invited to a leadership at Terry Taylors house and he and the rest of our leaders do want us to succeed. I am not your up line, but if you need a cross line running buddy please use me. What had me stuck was contacting, building my list. I was and still am scared to death and no one ever tells you what to say. Easy, “Could you use some more money” my email is crfranchises at gmail. I want to see everyone successful.
@crfranchises1 Yeah, they're all nice guys. I have nothing against them personally, I'm just taking a break from LTD overload to clear my head and do my own thing. I know how the plan works, I don't want a big group. Honestly I'd rather just sell stuff and pay for a few bills. My upline, who is approaching platinum, continuously pushed me to sponsor and spend money I didn't have. I don't need LTD to succeed with Amway.
@micfranklin I got sucked into LTD for two yrs, man. I never understood why I had to keep paying $5 to go to a meeting to hear the exact same crap every week. Sure, the "training" (which is usually a pep talk) is different every week, but largely you learn nothing new. I'd say after a month's worth of meetings you honestly don't need to show up anymore because it's repetitive as hell. And registering is only $50ish, not $100.
Honestly y'all, calling Mr and Mrs Winters cunts and retards doesn't do anything for anyone, but regardless the whole LTD/Amway thing is a scam. For example I went to this function called Impact 2009 in Greensboro, NC which was a month ago and the ticket costs $120 and was bumped up to $145 after the start of April. I mean damn, I live in the Baltimore area and it turns out tickets for a decent seat at a Ravens game are at least $20 less than the original price of the function ticket.
and that is why micfranklin...you will be broke and work for the rest of your life...cuz u have 1 of the diseases...go read magic of thinking big then open your mouth. i dont believe the LTD/AMWAY business is a welfare...which is what u'll need here soon. get free go diamond
Then you and other recruiters should have no problem stating that Amway is the name of the business you are partnered with when calling in people, since none of the recruiters have given the name upfront.
And also Quixtar/Amway IBOs average only $1400 a year, that fact comes straight out of the company's own manual.
Y'all griping about Larry and Pam need to get a life (and a bar of soap for your mouths, and some grammar skills). They help more people and make more money in a year than the rest of you idiots probably will in a lifetime. Go LTD!
he can also toss Bill Britt's salad and get AIDS while he's at it. If I had the power, I'd ban these faggots from Minneapolis but according to you "people", Minneapolis is very hot right now. Thats fine, say what you need to fool yourself into believing so dont go home and cry yourself to sleep at night. Dont be surprised if you hear stories about your fellow "crossline" getting punched in the face at the mentioning of Quixtar, coz that will probably be me.
Answer to question 1:- Because they are looking for a better way to live then the current occupation and options in life have to offer. Question for you is why go to your job to get nothing much to show for it by the time u retire? 80% retire below the median wage and most cannot retire at the age that is recommended, how much worse do u suppose this would be 20yrs or so from now if it's this bad now?
Add to that fact that u have 80-90% of all the wealth now owned by 20-10% This business model allows people to close that gap a little. Most people fail in this business for much the same reason they fail in others as well. 9 out of 10 traditional business fail within 5yrs and if its a big business that's a high price to pay but good learning experience, 1 out of 3 franchises fail withing a few yrs as well. They also cost $100,00-$1.5 Million just to start one up. Amway costs Less then $200.
How many businesses have you been in where you haven't had to pay to be trained and haven't had to pay for the equipment to do so? How many shops you know pay you or offer you a financial reward outside of the direct sales industry for helping them promote their products or services? How much do you think it costs to get an MBA and then you still have no grantee's of making it big. To build a good business you have to change the way you think about money and investing and do ur research well.
I'd like to say that most of you weak minded zombies who are in this need to be slapped, but you'll never listen anyway. but here it goes...i got sucked into this when I was 20 (young and nieve) and quickly learned it was all bs. Saw larry in knoxville and thought he was biggest cocksucking childmolester Ive ever seen and quit. now im 26, a lawyer, and making more a month than this assclown did in his first 10 years toiling away at this circle jerk of a "business". Larry can fuck a goat.
and now he makes more in a year than you will your whole life. its an OPPORTUNITY, not a lottery or get rich quick scheme(its not a get rich never scheme either if you actually work your business not treat it like a hobby) before you spew more ignorant garbage, please give me just one example where you can invest an initial fee of $200 and get the POTENTIAL to make many millions a year?? (btw, i didnt include cds and books bc they are not needed to build the business) cont.
cont. btw, other than your foul language you are obviously somewhat bright being a lawyer so i feel that a decent convo with you is not out of the question, but why do you feel the need to bash something you know very little about? you had a negative attitude from the get go, has it ever occurred to you that the reason people fail at this is actually THEM? many people get in with expectations that are simply unreasonable, success in any endeavor is based on work, its not a lottery.
I remember Larry doing small home plans in Lauringburg, NC in the late 80's with a handfull of people in his group. Larry and his group grew so fast from that point it made all the other diamonds of their time look like they are moving backwards. "Depth vs. Tap Root" classic tape/cd that is a must learn. My favorite tape of his is a bootleg tape made by Art Leezure (spelling). But make no mistake, their business is motivation/seminars and books. Amway/Quixtar is just the cover. Not that I care
I'm sorry I said that Amway/Quixtar is just the cover. I didn't mean to imply what that sounds like. I know they pay. But, I would bet my last nickle that the Diamonds earn substantially more money with the "System" money of books, tapes and functions than they do with moving the products through their networks. Again, I don't mind either way. I just hope they have started letting people know that they DO make a ton of money on the tools. I was in the dark for 2 years before I found out.
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cowsarefun123 1 year ago
and it sounds like an AA meeting. wow.
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cowsarefun123 1 year ago
I'm pretty much done with LTD. Amway, on the other hand, is fine. LTD, to me, is shady to say the least. After spending two yrs in it, going to countless meetings ($5 a pop), night owls ($10) & conferences ($250-$300 four times a yr), I can't take my wallet being bleed dry with nothing to show for it. I'm only 24, I can't afford this "knowledge," which in reality is mostly common sense and slideshows of the Diamonds on vacation. Oh, and Larry Winters doing stand-up comedy.
paqman3d 1 year ago
LTD - Listening To Douchebags
hnican 1 year ago
Larry Wimpers
hnican 1 year ago
Answer to question 1:- Because they are looking for a better way to live then the current occupation and options in life have to offer. Question for you is why go to your job to get nothing much to show for it by the time u retire? 80% retire below the median wage and most cannot retire at the age that is recommended, how much worse do u suppose this would be 20yrs or so from now if it's this bad now?
mrsinclair1977 1 year ago
So you'd admit he's fat?
How do you know I'm not rich?
Typical Amway loser. Bringing up income.
Guess how far behind his taxes fat old Larry is? Does being rich mean you don't pay taxes? Not in the real world.
I'll give you a link if you like.
hnican 2 years ago
He's a lard ass. For a guy with so much money, he's a fat pig.
Go for a run, porky.
hnican 2 years ago
how does income relate to his weight?? id rather be fat and rich than skinny and broke wouldnt you?
slbigred78 2 years ago
This business isn't for everyone, theres certainly those who like working pyramids, a job, where everyone is trying to get up the ladder where the money is but theres fewer and fewer positions the higher you go. Whatever you do, I wish you all the best, but don't be a critic because theres no money in that.
numbers111222 2 years ago
Criticism is necessary to unveil truths. Being a blind critic is another thing. The average IBO makes a little over 100 dollars and leave the business in 6 months...and its not a business is a distributorship you're basically and independent contractor not a business owner nor an employee... considering the amount of people that are in it that average is severely low in comparison to the average income non amway which is around $35000...far greater
burson007 2 years ago
@burson007 All that $100 average means is they take the number of ibo's divided by the total compensation payout. There are people who are making alot of money who has been around for a while, There are those who are not making money, because they are not doing nothing, but jthey renew every year. There are more than 3 million ibo. Just like society among college grad, some people are making millions as ceo's, business owners, or in sales etc. Some college grads are making $10/hour.
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GGreg2010 1 year ago
@GGreg2010 still more than Amway distrubutors, and in that statistic they are active ibo's that are active...not so much passive.
burson007 1 year ago
@burson007 Thats how it calculated. I'm not in Amway and not trying to promote them. You have to renew to stay active. There is no minimum sales required every month to be active.
GGreg2010 1 year ago
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05Eagles1 2 years ago
Yep he did, getting paid to speak at functions and selling those motivational tools. That's how he and the other 0.001% of IBOs makes their thousands of dollars while the other 99.999% spend thousands a year trying to keep up.
Tell ya what if you ever get a chance to meet ask him how much he makes and see what he says.
micfranklin 2 years ago
Thats what the "average" IBO makes.....not the ones that actually do the work that produces the kind of income Larry Winters is speaking of. He did it the hardest way possible.
I've a better suggestion.....just keep working your job, keep your negative attitudes and views to others that do not want to pursue a dream, and you'll have nothing to complain about.
Let others pursue what they want, and you won't have to be concerned about it.
ewultd 2 years ago
Hey thats a great bottle feed line of crap...how many times was that repeated at a function or meeting? got to love brain washing!
burson007 2 years ago
Please send me the picture of the "anniversary watch" when you get it. I can't wait to see how much they value your tenure and employment at your job.
ewultd 2 years ago
Tell me how Sucessful are you really? Are you living the dream or can you see that you're a brainwashed tool believing in ultra-right wing religious fanatical cult
burson007 2 years ago
Well i'm waiting for a response
burson007 2 years ago
Keep waiting.........it's pointless for me or anyone else that has dreams, goals and ambitions to further explain the differences between job mentality and entrepreneurial mindset.
98% of the American public have a job and work for a company. The other 2% own those companies and write the paychecks.
ewultd 2 years ago
Ok where did you get that knowledge because the most successful business man in America would highly disagree in fact the most wealthy of Americans are liberal and would disagree with this busniess mentality bullshit you buy i to. By the way you're not a business owner you're a sales person look at the agreement a little closer
burson007 2 years ago
Say what you want, do what you will...
There is absolutely no need to continue conversation with you.
.....bye........
ewultd 2 years ago
Hey kinda sounds like a cop out too me...usually when people cop out early its because they can't logically argue any points. Although its pretty hard for a ultra right-wing religious nut who believes in absolutes to argue their points logically anyway
burson007 2 years ago
....any "discussion" will wind up as an arguement. The only thing we would agree is we totally disagree on "everything".
Call it a cop out all you want. You'll see only what you want to see. Since our conversation is over, you'll find someone else to repeat this crap with.
ewultd 2 years ago
Man if only our forefathers thought like you we woudnt have the USA...so essentially the same principles that gave freedom oh which your copping out on? So basically you're saying you have no backing to you're arguments then.
So tell me where you "saved" cuz that would be rich adding to blind ignorance because it would blind any existence to logic at all
burson007 2 years ago
You're very good at talking in circles and "blah, blah". I said you'd find plenty of excuses for me to depart this conversation, and you've already proved me right.
Go bother someone else......I have goals and ambitions to accomplish. One is pursuing professional photography. I'm sure you'll find a way to be negative about that and "tie it into the busines".
Bye........and good luck in all your pursuits.
ewultd 2 years ago
I'm talking in circles huh? I might be talking in circles due to the fact that i've been responding to you're post which add nothing into the discussion. You haven't provided any points to back you're claims the only thing you've basically have been saying is that im "negative"....
Actually i love photography (one of my hobbies) which is by far more worth while than Amway and believing in ideas that blind people from logic
burson007 2 years ago
Circles, or whatever you want to call it.
It's irrelevant to me. I'll make this last, final statement, and thats it.
I choose to believe what I do about this business. So do you....so if we go in different directions, so be it.
I'm going in mine..........regardless of your next post, don't expect me to respond......it's an endless and pointless discussion.
I wish you the best of luck in whatever you do.
ewultd 2 years ago
@ewultd Amen. Don't suppose you went to Impact 2010 or are going this weekend? What an amazing weekend.
puaqumopapsidn 1 year ago
Oh yeah, make sure you ask IBOs why they're paying for their own hotel meetings to draw interest. As successful as they claim they are they should be funding them well in advance.
micfranklin 2 years ago
i'm sorry but you just seem like a person that thinks they know everything about something. b4 u say anything please be something. its ok we understand if you cant succeed at it...go find a j-o-b and work there for 50+ more yrs. while my 19 yr old butt is enjoying my days hanging out with friends and family.
Get free go diamond
Druwn 2 years ago
Well I already have a job and the thing about that is I know exactly what I'm entitled to and what I'm getting from it from the start, paychecks, time off and everything. What you're about to get into is a world full of surprises and sudden changes. You're 19 years old, its typical that a college student is taken prey by this "opportunity," because they know college students are poor and need money. Before you head off in LTD and Amway outings watch the Dateline video about Quixtar first.
micfranklin 2 years ago
My suggestion is that you get off any "college student", 19 or otherwise, anyone that has a dream of being financially free.
You have a job...that in itself shows your limited thinking beyond a week to week paycheck.
No, you don't know what surprises are in store for you in this business, but life happens whether you're in this business of not........it's called excuseidas
The Dateline video is another example of hidden motive NOT to be unbiased, but to undermine the entire truth.
Jeff
ewultd 2 years ago
If you cant even tell people you're with Amway when recruiting then that right there is a nasty surprise once they find out, along with all the extra fees, payments and the money to cover travelling to those functions that are so important. As for being financially free you'll be hard pressed to get that when you only average $1400/year.
And again the $1400/year comes from Quixtar's own manual if you doubt me, which I'm sure you do.
micfranklin 2 years ago
dude i like it, lol. i'm almost 19 and free as well able to take vacations whenever i want wherever i want for as long as i want. and impact the world more than some of these politicians. its great to see people our age with the right mentality.
ryanlogan 2 years ago
HAHAHA yea right...yes because what the world really needs is ultra right wing religious nuts in the world. hahaha living the dream... sell it man
burson007 2 years ago
i registered right about the time the pq came out...man business is growing like wildfire now...
Druwn 2 years ago
I REMEMBER THE QI BROCHURE.....
MsRobinDuke 2 years ago 2
I'm not new in this "Business" because I haven't register and don't plan to, especially after seeing the Dateline story and listening to everyone's stories. That and I've noticed so many inconsistencies with members of this team, such as why none of the 7 people on the "team" I'm supposed to be with ever have any money.
micfranklin 2 years ago
wow didn't know about that. parents that let their kids go with micheal jackson show the same stupidy that people do when joining this business.
matrixwithin 2 years ago
And another thing, why is it that whenever people talk about how much money they have LOST because of Amway, why is the only reason for this being that because they're lazy? I know lazy people exist but I refuse to believe that everyone that fails at something (especially proven scams) is a lazy bastard that will never be "free."
micfranklin 2 years ago 2
Furthermore there's other questions I had/have:
1. Why pay $6 just to sit in a motel meeting room for 2 hours and hear this?
2. If the people hosting it are so successful why aren't they supplying the money for said meetings?
3. Why exactly do uplines never discuss the exact amount of money they've made since starting?
4. And why does one have to pay at least $100 to register for LTD and then start paying more to buy the products they need to sell and other tools?
micfranklin 2 years ago 2
@micfranklin Reply to your 3rd question i don't know. I'm told it's because they don't want people to assume incorrectly about any one person ability to build this business solely on income because it's more about the structure and long term growth then the mediate income they may appear to make. I have found however that some are more open to telling you then others and it comes down to individual preferences.
mrsinclair1977 1 year ago
@micfranklin
Again to build a business and be successful takes investment and u have 90days to get your money back if you don't feel it's worth the investment and some products carry extended warranties anyway. So what are you really objecting to exactly?
Issues within a business do not mean the whole thing is shady/scam or bad. Learn the differences in the system and why it works before you critique it please. I did and find nothing wrong with this business model.
mrsinclair1977 1 year ago
#1, I have paid 300 and know people who have paid 30k to sit in on similar training sessions for fortune 500 companies. #2 if youre not paying to attend you have little invested. #3 the amount varies from IBO do to the type of structure in place. I have seen checks of 60K for 1 month. #4 like any business its called training and education. I spend 3-5k a year in training for my full time job, plus $100 a year to keep my certification current. Good questions though.
crfranchises1 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 True, and understandable, but me spending nearly $500 to attend a conference in April and only getting vacation slideshows from the Diamonds and comedy act from Larry Winters was the last straw for me. If I invest that much into it and don't get jack squat in return, I'm going to be pissed. I took zero notes that weekend. I'm 24 with barely any disposable income. $500 is a lot for me.
paqman3d 1 year ago
@paqman3d Thank you for the polite response, I can tell you're a class act. I can understand where you are coming from, when I was your age I tried my hand at Quixtar, and I spent more money on tools than anything. I found it hard to justify spending $ with zero to show for it, and myself was on a limited income. One word of advice I got from Larry, if you’re going to build the business go to the function, if you are going to spend money but not do the work needed, you’re just wasting money.
crfranchises1 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 Ah, sarcasm. I've been around the business long enough to know it can work, I'm not doubting that, I'm just not in it to go diamond. I feel like LTD puts too much pressure on useless activities that distract me from succeeding. I don't need conferences, CEP, web office, and etc. to sell some stinking XS. C'mon, get real. And Impact '10 was the worst conference I've attended in terms of content. Summit 09 was prob. the best.
paqman3d 1 year ago
@paqman3d Hope you don’t think I was being sarcastic, I meant what I said about you, I'm sure if you have read some of the other comments regarding Amway, they are not so nice. My advice to you is to study Zig, Gitmore, get the book on Connecting by John Maxwell. Pick a couple products you really like and start promoting. It can be done without LTD, A truck driver went 7500 in 2 months selling X's. My team goal is 1000pv customer volume. Good Luck and Merry Christmas.
crfranchises1 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 Oh, then my apologies. To me, I felt like it was just a waste of time and money to continue going to meetings, acting like I was doing something with the business. I was so wrapped up in getting set up on the "LTD side" of things, I barely put time into the "Amway side". Everytime I'd make headway selling and contacting with XS, I had to stop and spend $275 on a conference. And on my budget, that derailed my biz for 3-4 months, which was time for another conference lol
paqman3d 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 So it was vicious cycle every 3-4 months. I'd get a batch of new customers interested with product i had on hand, then I'd have stop ordering XS and promo materials to afford a conference. It was really annoying and I missed out on dozens upon dozens of customers. I even told my upline I'd rather not go if I didn't have the money and I was still talked into going. Shame on me. I'll still attend *some* LTD things, but only when my business is worth doing so again.
paqman3d 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 To me, too many IBOs (not you) just fall into LTD robot mode and don't look into doing things themselves. It seemed like I was too busy being my upline's employee rather than "owning" my own business. Cutting myself away from LTD functions for 8 months was the best thing I could have done mentally. I now have a clear direction with what I want to do without my upline clouding it all up and telling me to sell vitamins and ribbon or how i need to pawn my stuff to go to a conference
paqman3d 1 year ago
@paqman3d Wow, sounds like your sponsor is similar to my first. Never took the time to figure out what it is I wanted out of the business. That’s my first question for new people, what do you want? If its a few $100 a month, set up some Grand Openings, teach you how to get referrals, your best type of customer, and help you meet your goals. I remember sitting down as a new IBO, my upline setting up my first “Ditto” and asking me for my credit card. $600?! I don’t think so.
crfranchises1 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 My sponsor is a great guy, I just don't appreciate my bank account being disrespected. After I spent nearly $500 going to Impact in April, he was telling me to order backordered junk to get my PV in for the month. Seriously, that was the last straw. He knew how much of a stretch it was to get me and my gf to the function and for him to tell me I need to spend another $300 on dumb stuff to get 150PV took the cake.
paqman3d 1 year ago
@paqman3d The Diamonds in LTD are truly word class. I was invited to a leadership at Terry Taylors house and he and the rest of our leaders do want us to succeed. I am not your up line, but if you need a cross line running buddy please use me. What had me stuck was contacting, building my list. I was and still am scared to death and no one ever tells you what to say. Easy, “Could you use some more money” my email is crfranchises at gmail. I want to see everyone successful.
crfranchises1 1 year ago
@crfranchises1 Yeah, they're all nice guys. I have nothing against them personally, I'm just taking a break from LTD overload to clear my head and do my own thing. I know how the plan works, I don't want a big group. Honestly I'd rather just sell stuff and pay for a few bills. My upline, who is approaching platinum, continuously pushed me to sponsor and spend money I didn't have. I don't need LTD to succeed with Amway.
paqman3d 1 year ago
@micfranklin I got sucked into LTD for two yrs, man. I never understood why I had to keep paying $5 to go to a meeting to hear the exact same crap every week. Sure, the "training" (which is usually a pep talk) is different every week, but largely you learn nothing new. I'd say after a month's worth of meetings you honestly don't need to show up anymore because it's repetitive as hell. And registering is only $50ish, not $100.
paqman3d 1 year ago
Honestly y'all, calling Mr and Mrs Winters cunts and retards doesn't do anything for anyone, but regardless the whole LTD/Amway thing is a scam. For example I went to this function called Impact 2009 in Greensboro, NC which was a month ago and the ticket costs $120 and was bumped up to $145 after the start of April. I mean damn, I live in the Baltimore area and it turns out tickets for a decent seat at a Ravens game are at least $20 less than the original price of the function ticket.
micfranklin 2 years ago
and that is why micfranklin...you will be broke and work for the rest of your life...cuz u have 1 of the diseases...go read magic of thinking big then open your mouth. i dont believe the LTD/AMWAY business is a welfare...which is what u'll need here soon. get free go diamond
Druwn 2 years ago
Then you and other recruiters should have no problem stating that Amway is the name of the business you are partnered with when calling in people, since none of the recruiters have given the name upfront.
And also Quixtar/Amway IBOs average only $1400 a year, that fact comes straight out of the company's own manual.
Knowledge is power.
micfranklin 2 years ago
wow "Druwn" you sound like you are in deep, btw how will we be broke by working a job?
05Eagles1 2 years ago
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05Eagles1 2 years ago
Haha, you must be a new one. It's only a matter of time before you realize the truth.
matrixwithin 2 years ago
Y'all griping about Larry and Pam need to get a life (and a bar of soap for your mouths, and some grammar skills). They help more people and make more money in a year than the rest of you idiots probably will in a lifetime. Go LTD!
WingedRider 2 years ago
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he can also toss Bill Britt's salad and get AIDS while he's at it. If I had the power, I'd ban these faggots from Minneapolis but according to you "people", Minneapolis is very hot right now. Thats fine, say what you need to fool yourself into believing so dont go home and cry yourself to sleep at night. Dont be surprised if you hear stories about your fellow "crossline" getting punched in the face at the mentioning of Quixtar, coz that will probably be me.
wist0301 3 years ago 2
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@wist0301
Answer to question 1:- Because they are looking for a better way to live then the current occupation and options in life have to offer. Question for you is why go to your job to get nothing much to show for it by the time u retire? 80% retire below the median wage and most cannot retire at the age that is recommended, how much worse do u suppose this would be 20yrs or so from now if it's this bad now?
mrsinclair1977 1 year ago
Add to that fact that u have 80-90% of all the wealth now owned by 20-10% This business model allows people to close that gap a little. Most people fail in this business for much the same reason they fail in others as well. 9 out of 10 traditional business fail within 5yrs and if its a big business that's a high price to pay but good learning experience, 1 out of 3 franchises fail withing a few yrs as well. They also cost $100,00-$1.5 Million just to start one up. Amway costs Less then $200.
mrsinclair1977 1 year ago
How many businesses have you been in where you haven't had to pay to be trained and haven't had to pay for the equipment to do so? How many shops you know pay you or offer you a financial reward outside of the direct sales industry for helping them promote their products or services? How much do you think it costs to get an MBA and then you still have no grantee's of making it big. To build a good business you have to change the way you think about money and investing and do ur research well.
mrsinclair1977 1 year ago
I'd like to say that most of you weak minded zombies who are in this need to be slapped, but you'll never listen anyway. but here it goes...i got sucked into this when I was 20 (young and nieve) and quickly learned it was all bs. Saw larry in knoxville and thought he was biggest cocksucking childmolester Ive ever seen and quit. now im 26, a lawyer, and making more a month than this assclown did in his first 10 years toiling away at this circle jerk of a "business". Larry can fuck a goat.
wist0301 3 years ago 2
and now he makes more in a year than you will your whole life. its an OPPORTUNITY, not a lottery or get rich quick scheme(its not a get rich never scheme either if you actually work your business not treat it like a hobby) before you spew more ignorant garbage, please give me just one example where you can invest an initial fee of $200 and get the POTENTIAL to make many millions a year?? (btw, i didnt include cds and books bc they are not needed to build the business) cont.
slbigred78 2 years ago
cont. btw, other than your foul language you are obviously somewhat bright being a lawyer so i feel that a decent convo with you is not out of the question, but why do you feel the need to bash something you know very little about? you had a negative attitude from the get go, has it ever occurred to you that the reason people fail at this is actually THEM? many people get in with expectations that are simply unreasonable, success in any endeavor is based on work, its not a lottery.
slbigred78 2 years ago
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fuck you larry winters. u bitch ass dog. u are such a scam. u fat moutherfucker. u proably sucking mike bundy's dick 2.
fabifutbol 3 years ago 3
I remember Larry doing small home plans in Lauringburg, NC in the late 80's with a handfull of people in his group. Larry and his group grew so fast from that point it made all the other diamonds of their time look like they are moving backwards. "Depth vs. Tap Root" classic tape/cd that is a must learn. My favorite tape of his is a bootleg tape made by Art Leezure (spelling). But make no mistake, their business is motivation/seminars and books. Amway/Quixtar is just the cover. Not that I care
c130dave1 3 years ago
lol. You are funny. Amyway/Quixtar pays. Motivation/Seminars books Educates if we wanna be honest about it!
dmandmusic 3 years ago
I'm sorry I said that Amway/Quixtar is just the cover. I didn't mean to imply what that sounds like. I know they pay. But, I would bet my last nickle that the Diamonds earn substantially more money with the "System" money of books, tapes and functions than they do with moving the products through their networks. Again, I don't mind either way. I just hope they have started letting people know that they DO make a ton of money on the tools. I was in the dark for 2 years before I found out.
c130dave1 3 years ago
Real mature idiot.
mm123 3 years ago
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these faggot scam artists better not come to minneapolis.
wist0301 3 years ago
Hah, don't know about all that, but LTD is makin things happen nationwide! Minneapolis is HOT!
ROOTSGSR 3 years ago
minneapolis is very hot
you lose
:)
jonnyXcraze 3 years ago
Wow that shows how green I am... I have never seen that version nor the wheel.
IBOinDRC 4 years ago
I saved some of those too. Cool. Do you have the original WHEEL presentation? Remember THE WHEEL? BR
barahn1115 4 years ago
You even have a Grandma going Diamond on this one!
ivy13645 4 years ago
Wow that's pretty cool. I want to see one of those up close here pretty soon
StephenDavis3 4 years ago
This is Awesome! keep'm coming Larry
notthehulk442 4 years ago
Wow!! What a blast from the past!!!! How cool.
sunsetloungejc 4 years ago