the concept of this god bringing people to his heaven by acting nice and proper and by believing in him and going out of your way to please him seems like that six year old with the ‘secret club’ that he reserved only for people that either embarrassed themselves on his ‘initiation’ or sucked up to him
(2) That we're being taxed for all the burdens, benefits and or consequences for something we could never agree or reject to (existing); which is permanent, according to the Bible, because we possess the "soul."
(1) The choice between heaven and hell is an imposition and nor is it our responsibility to choose between the two, as we weren't given a choice to accept the circumstances -- they were imposed, and not necessarily for or against our will -- though, that is irrelevant; for we had no choice of being able to accept the circumstances before being born (and neither do we have the capability to choose afterwards; it is forced then, too); and that this imposition is what could be considered..unjust.
@GriiiiinD dead people are sleeping in their tombs? Do you hear what you're saying? What about a Christian who gets burnt to death? His spirit is sleeping? These stories keep getting better and better.
@GriiiiinD you say God can't be in the presence of sin and God has no choice. That's pretty bold of you telling God what he can and can't do. that makes him fallible. You yourself just distorted God by putting human bounds on him. I'm sure he's pissed that you're telling him what he can and can't do. Good job.
I love these videos but I especially love what you wrote in the description. Christians act like their offense at our bursting their bubble means we should shut up, and sometimes we get guilted into forgetting how truly wicked and harmful those beliefs are, and that in the long run we're really doing them a favor by forcing them to re-examine their faith. Thanks for doing it in such an elegant- and funny!- manner.
Lastly, hell was made for fallen angels as 360jab stated. The reason man goes there is because God cannot be in the presence of sin. If you didn't accept Jesus into your heart before you died you won't be covered in his blood and therefore yours sins have not been washed away. So God has no choice but to cast you away. Sorry for lots of replies i just couldnt fit all of it in.
Secondly, Hell is not eternal, Read the bible. The bible says that no-one is in heaven or hell yet. The dead are all asleep in their tombs and during the second coming of Christ all those who trusted him and accepted him will rise from their graves first and ascend with him to heaven. All those who refuse will rise second and then be judged. And if found guilty, will be tossed into the lake of fire, the SECOND Death. If hell was eternal Jesus did not pay the full price of sin.
First, God does love EVERYONE, even sinners. When Jesus was eating with the tax collectors, the pharisees said: "Look, this man eats with sinners!" And Jesus replied: "It is not the healthy who need a doctor but the sick." If God only loved you if you loved him why does he constantly try to make sinners repent? He loves us all and wants us all to be saved. He gives us guidance and knowledge to help our lives but most hear the word but refuse it.
Yes you have a choice and no matter what people may think God is a loving God but who would refuse his love and forgiveness? I tell you this those who do are the ones deserving of hell and to point out hell was made for the falling angels not mankind so whoever made this stupid portrayal has it wrong and should know what the bible truly teaches before making sin look justified
@360jab You totally missed the point in these vids. You should check out part one. Then ask yourself is God truly good? God loves you ONLY if you love him. Don't believe that? Just look to Hell. Does God eternally weep for those souls, or does he just shrug his shoulders and say "Next," for the next soul in line for judgement? If Hell was meant for fallen angels, then why does he send people there? And why would someone who simply rejects the notion of God, deserve nothing less than hell?
@360jab as @neojoeytabornal said, God only loves you if you love him. A Christian, of any sort, can not preach God's unconditional love and forgiveness b/c it is in foundation a completely conditional love. Yet that love of God from u is not stipulated on u having to do in any good works, honoring his creation and people and living a good life, but on getting down on your knees and accepting the fact that he briefly killed himself for you to save you from what he was going to do to you.
@360jab a truly loving god that still wanted to enact justice and give people free will in the way Christians want to define it, leaving room for consequences for ill actions, would not make it on the condition that you accept any sort of sacrifice from him, or even acknowledge his existence, for that can be based in nothing but narcissism from our dear all-loving God, and would merely want people to be good, and would allow them the ability to do that w/out belief in him, and acceptance
The Jesus portrayed in the first part, if demonstrably true, would be worthy of my worship. It's a real shame that religion isn't this fair. Isn't it funny how us petty humans can create an idea so much purer than the supposed all-knowing and all-loving true deity that so many people worship?
I feel really sad here, the first part where you portrayed God as a loving being is the type of God I thought he was when I was a Christian. Sadly that was just a fever dream.
NonStampCollecter, it's not that "He" doesn't give us a choice, it's that the choices are IMPOSED -- in that we never had a say in the matter before we were born or later on in life to refuse to live with these choices -- that apparently, in the bible, you'll go to hell, even if you reject what he has "given" you. Though, it's a "gift" with a "load," one in which we never have the ability to be exempted from. If "God" exists . . how fucked we are, He is.
Is it not impossible for a perfect being to be jealous?...because jealousy implies a character flaw and to be insecure about anything and insecurity is imperfection at it's source? Therefore if the premise follows if God is jealous than he is flawed and therefore is imperfect and therefore must not be a perfect God?
This really has nothing to to about choice but conscience. Do you think your a good person? If you have lied, your a liar if you have Lusted after a woman you are an adulterer at heart, if you have hated someone than God sees that as murderer. I would never want to serve a God that was less on morals Jesus payed the price for your sin (for the wages of sin is death) so God is not punishing you but evil cannot reside with God and all that is evil so repent and be saved!
@MsChristiangirl33 I'm sorry. The god of the Bible is a wicked and cruel monster who endorses slavery, rape, mass murder, genocide, torture and child abuse. For all that he has done, Hitler could only dream of being so evil. And now I'm supposed to give myself to this psychopath who impregnated a teenage girl with himself and then sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself? It's absurd. I may not be perfect, but I'm a million times more moral than the god of the Bible.
@MsChristiangirl33 But belief in Jesus has absolutely nothing to do with morals. There is no correlation between being good/evil and believing in God/Jesus. If I rape someone, that crime would not in any way be lessened by me saying, "Oh, yeah, I believe in Jesus now, so I guess everything is fine?" Believing in Jesus has nothing to do with ethics.
On the contrary, claiming the bible as a moral compass portrays you as being outright evil, even though you most likely are not.
you know, if someone created a psychological profile of the biblical god (someone probably has i just dont know about it) i bet it would match up with many dictators and other crazy people
That guy is right. No mistakes. It's just an unfinished sentence, as indicated by the two consecutive periods at the end. We don't know exactly what it is that our watching in 2011 might have entailed, but that's got nothing to do with spelling. Your just assuming he meant to say "you are" is indeed just, though. I'll give you that.
@iDrinkPlainMilk Jesus really does have six fingers, I saw him at the bar last night. I said "Hey jesus! Gimme a high six!" LOL. He has two middle fingers on each hand hahaha.
FREEWILL as in choose the path of goodness i.e being a harmless,mannered, civilised person OR a human that HURTS others in very many ways becoz of their devious ways!its NOT just living their man made law lives,n keeping themselves 2 themselves,but the problem comes when they cause other suffering of all sorts of nature!sorry not acceptable...so ya best follow wot god says n b a harmless human.thats wot muslims believe...*
So, you think that it would be better if we were obligated to follow Jesus? Of course you are free.Also, God does not punish people, they CHOOSE to be punished or not...and it looks like you already made your choice...Oh, and a last thing. Why do you try to take people away from God? Are you such a good person that you care about the others and what they believe in? I don't think so. I think you're just a lifeless guy who has nothing else to do than making silly videos to draw people's attention
@shagoosty He created it in order to separate the good from the bad people and to send them there to make them regret about the sins they commited in life. Let's also don't forget that in the Second Coming of Christ all the people will be judged again! (and by all I mean alive AND DEAD)
@shagoosty I said, there they can regret about the sins they commited in life... Hell is not a place with big fires and stuff like this. When we say that they "burn" it is a metaphor, this actually means that they do not feel any good feelings there, only misery, sadness and pain
@shagoosty They will go to heaven only if they really regret about their sins... It's something like a prison I'd say, but you can choose whether you will get out or not
@shagoosty Come on, didn't you understand a word? The dead will be judged again in the Second Coming of Christ!! I said it 3 times, what don't you understand?
@shagoosty You're right about this, but after all why do you think you can judge? Are you a saint or something? And a last thing to end this conversation because it's pointless I think...I believe in God because He (or the thought of His existence if you like) gives me strength when every other hope is gone and because I want to believe that there is some kind of justice that you can't find anywhere in this unfair world...that's why I believe in God
@00darkrai00 I'm always open to new beliefs. Your beliefs however are warped and demented. If that's how all Christians are then I want to avoid them as much as possible.
@shagoosty Hah, you're funny, because I'm not even a very religious person. I'm generally very open minded I'd say. If you take into account the music I'm listening to (heavy metal) you will see that. What I'm expressing is my beliefs, I don't try to convert you into a Christian, I just say what I think is right. If you prefer to believe that justice is wrong then I can't do anything to fix that.
@00darkrai00 Yes because Heavy metal is antichristian. You're beliefs make no sense. If god created Hell to send bad people then hell is punishment which means that god punishes people.
@shagoosty Ok, if that's what you want to hear... Also, I don't think that Heavy Metal is generally anti-Christian, what I meant is that I have no problem to listen to songs with even satanic lyrics (I love the "Headless Cross" by Black Sabbath) and I'm not as narrow minded as you think
@shagoosty Generally not, but in this songs case it is... If "there's been no escape from the power of Satan" is not satanic then what is it? And that's just a verse, all the song goes like this, but I have absolutely no problem with that because I love the music. Also I listen to Bathory, Rotting Christ and many other bands like these and again I don't have any problems with their lyrics, although they are sometimes against Christianity
@shagoosty Well, I can say that I'm an atheist and then take part in black masses. Saying that I'm an atheist doesn't mean that I actually am, but anyways, I don't think we should make a conversation about Black Sabbath right now :P (by the way, they also have a song with Christian lyrics which is called "After Forever" .This is actually very ironic as you said)
@00darkrai00 Ummmm... A black mass is preformed by the Satanic Church founded by Anton LeVay, who was an atheist. The Satanic Church is a group of like minded anti-theists who are against the actual premise of god and relgion and preform rituals as a spite against Christianity. If you are taking part in a Black Mass in 2011, it's probably being done by the Satanic Church, which means you are probably an atheist. Your statement makes no sense.
@00darkrai00 My mistake for the typo. And I have to disagree, if you say that atheism and antitheism are different things you're just splitting hair to try to seperate people.
@00darkrai00 You know what happens when you break down the word atheist right? A, as in asexual, as in lack of, and theist. Anti is opposite or lack of. So how is it different.?
@shagoosty Anti doesn't mean lack of, it shows only opposistion. I know this very well because it's a Greek word and also because the dictionary says it :P
@00darkrai00 Things aren't real because someone likes them, or wish them true. Some of use are bias toward believing the things that are actually true, even if we don't like the truth or is it ugly.
@shagoosty Also, I think that you have learned something wrong... Hell is not a place made of matter with little red horned demons that kick your ass, it is a spiritual place where the bad people go to regret and feel sorry about their sins and not even permanently!! In the Second Coming of Christ they will be judged again... And a last thing...do you think it would be fair if all the people, good and bad, ended up in the same place? I don't think so...this is called JUSTICE
The religious are deluded with superstition and suffer from the illusion of a "higher morallity". Because of this, atheists are have a moral advantage over theists.
Free will is an out-dated idea that has no evidence for it's existence. Even atheists that subscribe to the idea of free will say they 'believe' they have free will. They know they are shaky ground at best. Free will is the religion of atheism.
You can be a Christian and not believe in an infinite hell (note, I said infinite, not eternal, because those two things are ultimately different things). The Church adopted a dualistic approach to the concept of the afterlife due to the influence of medieval gnosticism, but in truth the idea of hell as a place of torment forever is a misinterpretation of the concept of hell as given in the scriptures. Truly, hell is nothing like what many people conceive.
this is probably your most important video nonstampcollector. well done. I would suggest you make videos comparing the religious mindset to that of the soviet union. the berlin wall is a great example of an omnipotent (compared to an individual civilian) entity being so petty as to label those who wanted to leave the USSR "traitors", and wanting to catch and punish insignificant individuals who just wanted out.
@crashpilot2 Did we just switch from justifying God's punishments in the OT, to explaining Hell? I know you tried to make it more obvious, but I really don't get what you're trying to say. I'm sorry... =(
What "immoral" stuff does the Bible teach? It is the basis for having morals. Where do you get them from otherwise? I realize there are harsh punishments in the O.T. but the Isrealites were a very disobedient people, js. I am actaully reading through the OT, I'm in Leviticus.
If you only hone in on the bulk of the text you think is awful, then of course the Bible seems "horor", you take it out of context and kill the beauty. But I can't blame you I can tell you don't get the Bible's mesage
You should watch NonStampCollector's video titled "Context!!!!!!".
Also, does God have the right to murder men, women and children just because the Isrealites were disobedient? Genocide is never acceptable, no matter the context.
I am guessing you are opposed to capital punishment then? You need to remember to distinguish between murder/genocide and punishment. The first is something inflicted on an "inocent" person, usually I'd say by someone mentally unstable. The second is basically a consequence.
But as the video said, bad actions have their own bad consequences. Why would you have to add to them? And what did the Israelites do that permitted genocide? Why did they deserve that punishment? I mean shouldn't God, a supposed omnipotent being, have a better way to solve the problem?
@AxGodxInxRuins Yes, bad actions have their own bad consequences. Isreal was God's chosen people though, and obviously, the natural "bad consequences" was not enough for them to obey God's laws. He enforced them. Just like we have a justice system now. Instead of saying couldn't He have come up with a "better solution", maybe we should say He knew what the best solution was. Its reasonable, if there is a perfect God (not how He is described in these videos), He knows better than humans do.
So you're trying to justify genocide by claiming that the Israelites wouldn't obey God? So each of the people he killed were bad and deserved death? Did they all go to hell? And I'm doubting he knows better than humans if he doesn't know the nature of his "chosen people". Shouldn't he have known they would disobey him? He's omniscient, right?
@AxGodxInxRuins You are still assuming that it is something illegal and not a punishment, js. I'd say yes, they deserved their punishment, at least by the laws of the time, but I doubt they went to Hell. It was only an earthly punishment. He did know their nature, and how they would act, and He knew best. Don't ask me to explain why God did everything, that I don't know.
Again, when is genocide ever justified? Men, women and children were slaughtered. And I thought God never changed. Why do his laws? Did he all of a sudden have a change of heart? Is he indecisive?
@AxGodxInxRuins Well, would you allow "genocide" if it was the exucution of mass muderers, alot of them? God never does change, but life here on earth does, so it is obovious for how we approach it to change go. The same principles that are behind the laws haven't changed, just the laws themselves.
So the women and children and animals that God killed were all mass murderers? Is that what you're saying? So life on earth changes and so do God's laws change? Well, if God is omniscient shouldn't he have seen all this coming? Shouldn't he have just made a single system that works? The more and more you try to defend your God the more imperfect he sounds. I mean, he's already a jealous God. That's a very human emotion. And I thought humans were imperfect.
@AxGodxInxRuins Well as an imperfect human, so is my defense, and if through my efforts I make God sound human, I truly wish to do better. You see, the first system was designed for before Jesus came, many of the ceremonial laws needed to teach the need for Jesus. The second system is the one we have today, after Jesus has come, they are two very different times separted by an amazing event. It is natural that the laws would change.
@AxGodxInxRuins No, I am not saying that and you know it. You asked me to supply a time when genocide was ever acceptable. Now, here on earth, with flawed human understanding, we have that scenario. If you truly believe that God is possible, its not much of an assumption to say He knew what He was doing.
In humans, jealousy is bad because we are wanting something that is not rightfully ours. In God, it is perfect, because He wants what is rightfully His. Since He is Creator, therfor owner.
So genocide is acceptable when they're all mass murderers? I disagree, but okay. And were the Israelites all mass murderers? And that's the thing, it doesn't seem like God knows what he's doing. He doesn't sound like any God I can imagine. I have too much respect for the idea God to associate it with what you consider to be a God.
Isn't that a double standard? Is that the type of God you believe in?
@AxGodxInxRuins Thats exactly what I asked you last time, would you allow it if it was mass murderers. But then you changed the direction of the conversation so I assumed you agreed. My mistake. The point I am trying to make is if flawed human beings like ourselves can find a reason today for exectution for a crime to be ok, a perfect God in a completly different time can do the same.
And I suggest we continue the debate about God over private chanels so were not taking up the comments page.
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Wow. I'm really sad if this is how so many people view the Bible and Christianity. As a Christian, I can tell you this is not what the Bible teaches at all, and you have twisted the truth immensly.
However, I guess you just go on what you already think about Christianity, so I can't critisize. It really makes me sad though, I wish you understood the beauty of the Bible.
@LoveHisTruth I think the opposite. As a non-christian (ie, objective), I can tell you that the bible teaches all sorts of immoral, awful stuff, and to view it through rose-colored glasses doesn't "twist the truth", but certainly misses the overwhelming bulk of the text.
I guess you just go on what you already think about Christianity, but I do criticize, in as friendly a way as possible. It really makes me sad, though, I wish you could see the horror of the bible. Read the O.T. especially.
@NonStampCollector NonstampCollector I find it funny that the secular god in the second part is the real god that the abrahamic theist praise but oddly enough they call his god when there holy text say otherwise great videos I am a big fan.
@LoveHisTruth yeah about ten pages in yawhe has already killed everything in the entire world, launched a brutal series of war, personally endorsed slavery and his prophet has already had a son by one of his slaves from egypt
@lonewolfM16 Judgement for sins of the world, judgement for sins of different nations, judgement, aaand personal sin. Yes, the O.T. is about a lot of judging. It sets the stage for the N.T.
I get how you can see it as horrible and all, but its so sad none of you can see the big picture. Sigh, it was a different time, before Jesus fufilled the law and rid us for the need of all that. But I know I probably can't convince you, you've already decided what you know...
@LoveHisTruth The only problem here is that I (An Atheist) can see the big picture, it's the Theist with the narrow view, my journey to becoming an Atheist was long and had some painful times as I was heavily indoctrinated, but now I wouldn't change a thing about my journey, it's amazing to see with open eyes and not blinders, I feel like I've been unplugged from the Matrix. I hope one day you ask a question and are brave enough to follow it to the end, don't stop in fear just keep going.
@kittley1984 You know its funny, the way you say you "see with open eyes" now, is how so many people describe going from Atheist to Christian. When you say you were "indoctrinated", really sounds like you never thought for yourself, or accepted Christ for yourself either. Sounds more like a "parents believe it so i did" thing. If you never really understood Christianity, then what you said makes total sense. I hope one day you can see Chrstianity the same way I do=)
@LoveHisTruth I was expecting that exact answer. I did find Jesus, I thought I had a "relationship" with him, I used to cry at church when they went through what Christ went through. I was probably "closer" to Him than most people would imagine. That doesn't change the fact that Christ is a mental state, one that feels good, you feel connected it feels real, it fills that hole inside you, it still doesn't make it real. I now feel that this feeling is our connection with the Universe. -cont
@LoveHisTruth -cont Now it feels real. Jesus is wonderful at filling a hole that is explained by the fact that everything in our world is made of stardust were connected to everything, I love this Universe, I love this world, to lose the wonder and awe and fill it in with God cheapens the whole experience. Please don't fool yourself with "You don't understand Christianity" I hear it and I hate it. I hope you loose this false belief and revel in the wonder of the truth of this world.
@kittley1984 Would you believe I also expected that answer? I knew if I was wrong in that, this is what you would say. Christianity is more than just a "feeling" its very dangerous to look at it that way. Dangerous I mean in that it leads away from true Christianity. Time and time again Christianity warns against just the "feelings" of things. And you prove that. But I wonder, if your whole life is just to "experience the universe" how to you deal with morals, right and wrong, and suffering?
Evolution explains all those things. Try reading some books on it.
Even animals care for their young, and others young at times, often hunt in packs in order to survive (aka dont just kill the shit out of each other), and can have complex communication systems in order to warn others of danger. If animals can 'care' about each other, work with each other for the greater good of their species, why is it so hard to think that humans can as well?
@LoveHisTruth this is your big chance to convince atheists otherwise. refute what you think is wrong about the video, come on, discussion is important.
@LoveHisTruth I've read the bible and was a Xian for many years this seems pretty accurate to me, which Bible are you reading? Is there a new version I'm not aware of?
@kittley1984 Personally I don't know what version you read or what a Xian is, but from my expereince most translations say the same thing, just different words. I'm not the authority on the subject though. I read the New King James Version. The reason the video is innacurate, is because it interprets the Bible from a secular, "God is falliable view. You need to let scripture interpret scripture. It puts a different spin on the whole situation. I wish I could explain everything, but letter limit.
@LoveHisTruth ok Xian is Christian thought that would be self explanatory it's just shortened. Riddle me this how many "mental back flips" does it take for you to say something like "let scripture interpret scripture"?. Your God should of been more than capable of expressing himself so that we could understand him and not have a need for us to say something as ridiculous as "let scripture interpret scripture". How sad he needs people to justify and interpret it in the first place.
@kittley1984 Sorry I'd never herad that before lol=) Why does everyone keep talking about "mental flips"? Is that what you all mean by thinking Christianly? Let scripture interpret scripture basically means that you can't just take one part out of context with the whole Bible. If they way you interpret it contradicts what the Bible says, than you are looking at it wrong. How sad people can not understand something as simple as context anymore. (and not blow it ot of proportion like Nonstamp)
@LoveHisTruth I don't understand your comment. Are you saying that there's no hell? Or that the Bible doesn't tell you that you're going to hell if you don't believe in Jesus? Are you saying that mainstream Christian theology doesn't threaten non-believers with hell? I'm honestly confused. I've read the bible and ALL those things are explicitly stated there. How can you say we are "viewing" it wrong when all we did was read the bible? Our "view" comes from direct biblical passages.
@DenisSweet Well, lol idk which comment, I have ton on this vid, woops=) No, I'm not saying any of that at all, if you do not accept Jesus as your Savior to take away your sins, you will pay for those sins in hell. And what exactly are we talking about viewing right now? Its easier to talk to people over messages, don't fill up the comments page lol.
the concept of this god bringing people to his heaven by acting nice and proper and by believing in him and going out of your way to please him seems like that six year old with the ‘secret club’ that he reserved only for people that either embarrassed themselves on his ‘initiation’ or sucked up to him
infernalone666 7 hours ago
Thumbs up if you noticed Jesus has 8 feet.
By the way, REPENT 2012 IS HERE!
Your friendly atheist Jarb.
Jarb2104 1 day ago
nail. in. the. coffin. gg. christianity. thanks.for.playing.(not)
TheLuckySaGe 2 days ago
5:18 the song is Pines of Rome
MmmBrowneisMmm 2 days ago
beautiful
MakeshiftEstablished 1 week ago
(2) That we're being taxed for all the burdens, benefits and or consequences for something we could never agree or reject to (existing); which is permanent, according to the Bible, because we possess the "soul."
JosiahSCooper 2 weeks ago
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(1) The choice between heaven and hell is an imposition and nor is it our responsibility to choose between the two, as we weren't given a choice to accept the circumstances -- they were imposed, and not necessarily for or against our will -- though, that is irrelevant; for we had no choice of being able to accept the circumstances before being born (and neither do we have the capability to choose afterwards; it is forced then, too); and that this imposition is what could be considered..unjust.
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d007ization 2 weeks ago
@GriiiiinD dead people are sleeping in their tombs? Do you hear what you're saying? What about a Christian who gets burnt to death? His spirit is sleeping? These stories keep getting better and better.
paramattic70 3 weeks ago
@GriiiiinD you say God can't be in the presence of sin and God has no choice. That's pretty bold of you telling God what he can and can't do. that makes him fallible. You yourself just distorted God by putting human bounds on him. I'm sure he's pissed that you're telling him what he can and can't do. Good job.
paramattic70 3 weeks ago
I love these videos but I especially love what you wrote in the description. Christians act like their offense at our bursting their bubble means we should shut up, and sometimes we get guilted into forgetting how truly wicked and harmful those beliefs are, and that in the long run we're really doing them a favor by forcing them to re-examine their faith. Thanks for doing it in such an elegant- and funny!- manner.
HelFKiernan 3 weeks ago
Can some start a religion with the first God. Please, please, pretty please with cherries and sprinkles on top.
shreyapanda 4 weeks ago
Thumbs if you're watching in 2012..
And if you noticed Jesus has 6 fingers.
iDrinkPlainMilk 1 month ago
There is no Hell, only death.
CygniBild 1 month ago
@meojoeytabornal
Lastly, hell was made for fallen angels as 360jab stated. The reason man goes there is because God cannot be in the presence of sin. If you didn't accept Jesus into your heart before you died you won't be covered in his blood and therefore yours sins have not been washed away. So God has no choice but to cast you away. Sorry for lots of replies i just couldnt fit all of it in.
GriiiiiiinD 1 month ago
@GriiiiiiinD Evidence for your claims?
atheistram 3 weeks ago
@GriiiiiiinD
"So God has no choice but to cast you away."
Has no choice? Who forces him to do that? When he is god, he can do what he wants.
Ulixes83 3 weeks ago
@neojoeytabornal
Secondly, Hell is not eternal, Read the bible. The bible says that no-one is in heaven or hell yet. The dead are all asleep in their tombs and during the second coming of Christ all those who trusted him and accepted him will rise from their graves first and ascend with him to heaven. All those who refuse will rise second and then be judged. And if found guilty, will be tossed into the lake of fire, the SECOND Death. If hell was eternal Jesus did not pay the full price of sin.
GriiiiiiinD 1 month ago
@neojoeytabornal
First, God does love EVERYONE, even sinners. When Jesus was eating with the tax collectors, the pharisees said: "Look, this man eats with sinners!" And Jesus replied: "It is not the healthy who need a doctor but the sick." If God only loved you if you loved him why does he constantly try to make sinners repent? He loves us all and wants us all to be saved. He gives us guidance and knowledge to help our lives but most hear the word but refuse it.
GriiiiiiinD 1 month ago
@GriiiiiiinD "He loves us all and wants us all to be saved."
Saved from who?
upisoft2 1 month ago
Yes you have a choice and no matter what people may think God is a loving God but who would refuse his love and forgiveness? I tell you this those who do are the ones deserving of hell and to point out hell was made for the falling angels not mankind so whoever made this stupid portrayal has it wrong and should know what the bible truly teaches before making sin look justified
360jab 1 month ago
@360jab You totally missed the point in these vids. You should check out part one. Then ask yourself is God truly good? God loves you ONLY if you love him. Don't believe that? Just look to Hell. Does God eternally weep for those souls, or does he just shrug his shoulders and say "Next," for the next soul in line for judgement? If Hell was meant for fallen angels, then why does he send people there? And why would someone who simply rejects the notion of God, deserve nothing less than hell?
neojoeytabornal 1 month ago
@360jab as @neojoeytabornal said, God only loves you if you love him. A Christian, of any sort, can not preach God's unconditional love and forgiveness b/c it is in foundation a completely conditional love. Yet that love of God from u is not stipulated on u having to do in any good works, honoring his creation and people and living a good life, but on getting down on your knees and accepting the fact that he briefly killed himself for you to save you from what he was going to do to you.
HagarenXneko 1 week ago
@360jab a truly loving god that still wanted to enact justice and give people free will in the way Christians want to define it, leaving room for consequences for ill actions, would not make it on the condition that you accept any sort of sacrifice from him, or even acknowledge his existence, for that can be based in nothing but narcissism from our dear all-loving God, and would merely want people to be good, and would allow them the ability to do that w/out belief in him, and acceptance
HagarenXneko 1 week ago 2
The Jesus portrayed in the first part, if demonstrably true, would be worthy of my worship. It's a real shame that religion isn't this fair. Isn't it funny how us petty humans can create an idea so much purer than the supposed all-knowing and all-loving true deity that so many people worship?
Lurdanjo 1 month ago
dude choose no the music in hell is fuckin awsome dude \m/
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Amashkitotamoes 2 months ago
Wonderfully true!
ipeklofijs 2 months ago
Definite Fave!
calmreason 2 months ago
WHY do people assume a god would be sane?
Strangerinasland 2 months ago
(O.o) It's sad because it's the secular god that the christians worship awesome video NonStampCollector!
Man4Goodwill 2 months ago
Thanks, NonStampCollector. Another good upload.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
I feel really sad here, the first part where you portrayed God as a loving being is the type of God I thought he was when I was a Christian. Sadly that was just a fever dream.
ThePrinceOfMoose 3 months ago 5
God's face at 5:55
priceless
DuckReconMajor 3 months ago
,,,I know what I'll do I'll kill myself to MYSELF...mmm Blood sacrifice can't wait.
MrEmeraldfusion 3 months ago
NonStampCollecter, it's not that "He" doesn't give us a choice, it's that the choices are IMPOSED -- in that we never had a say in the matter before we were born or later on in life to refuse to live with these choices -- that apparently, in the bible, you'll go to hell, even if you reject what he has "given" you. Though, it's a "gift" with a "load," one in which we never have the ability to be exempted from. If "God" exists . . how fucked we are, He is.
JosiahSCooper 4 months ago
@JosiahSCooper You're not a fan of reading descriptions are you?
b33p3rz 4 months ago
The god of the Bible is actually GLaDOS.
Life is after all one big test.
TheIDCLeader 4 months ago
@TheIDCLeader Brilliant! I shall start the Church of GLaDOS!
b33p3rz 4 months ago
@4:20 I know I know I am trying to find a loophole in the laws I created
MrEmeraldfusion 4 months ago
Is it not impossible for a perfect being to be jealous?...because jealousy implies a character flaw and to be insecure about anything and insecurity is imperfection at it's source? Therefore if the premise follows if God is jealous than he is flawed and therefore is imperfect and therefore must not be a perfect God?
MrEmeraldfusion 4 months ago
This really has nothing to to about choice but conscience. Do you think your a good person? If you have lied, your a liar if you have Lusted after a woman you are an adulterer at heart, if you have hated someone than God sees that as murderer. I would never want to serve a God that was less on morals Jesus payed the price for your sin (for the wages of sin is death) so God is not punishing you but evil cannot reside with God and all that is evil so repent and be saved!
MsChristiangirl33 4 months ago
@MsChristiangirl33 I'm sorry. The god of the Bible is a wicked and cruel monster who endorses slavery, rape, mass murder, genocide, torture and child abuse. For all that he has done, Hitler could only dream of being so evil. And now I'm supposed to give myself to this psychopath who impregnated a teenage girl with himself and then sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself? It's absurd. I may not be perfect, but I'm a million times more moral than the god of the Bible.
Peidanful 4 months ago
@MsChristiangirl33 In m y life, I've played exactly one round of golf. Does that make me a golfer?
Guitcad1 4 months ago
@Guitcad1 yes for that moment in time you were.
MsChristiangirl33 3 months ago
@MsChristiangirl33 But I'm not a golfer now? (Hint: No, I'm not.)
Guitcad1 3 months ago
@MsChristiangirl33 But belief in Jesus has absolutely nothing to do with morals. There is no correlation between being good/evil and believing in God/Jesus. If I rape someone, that crime would not in any way be lessened by me saying, "Oh, yeah, I believe in Jesus now, so I guess everything is fine?" Believing in Jesus has nothing to do with ethics.
On the contrary, claiming the bible as a moral compass portrays you as being outright evil, even though you most likely are not.
Superslemmet 3 months ago
you know, if someone created a psychological profile of the biblical god (someone probably has i just dont know about it) i bet it would match up with many dictators and other crazy people
deathman1021 4 months ago
@CynicalCatharsis
To serve and protect.
NonStampCollector 6 months ago
@NonStampCollector I give you free will to make more videos but if you don't I'm gonna torture you. The choice is totally up to you.
stephanorion 6 months ago 6
The first two parts were pretty funny, and I like this one the most, since it brings the whole silliness of the atonement into it.
"Why not just forgive them?"
"No, no, I require death."
BarlowFilms 6 months ago
Your videos made me lose fear of hell.
THANK YOU !
Scelestus7 6 months ago
PANTERAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGHHHH!!!!!!
raekpenis 6 months ago
Thumbs if your watching in 2011..
And if you noticed Jesus has 6 fingers.
iDrinkPlainMilk 6 months ago 53
@iDrinkPlainMilk Thumbs down for the punctuation/spelling mistake.
NonStampCollector 6 months ago 44
@NonStampCollector You're a meany.
iDrinkPlainMilk 6 months ago 15
@iDrinkPlainMilk True, that.
NonStampCollector 6 months ago 23
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HeyYouPMme 6 months ago
@HeyYouPMme Thumbs down for you, too, then. I'm a commandant in the Apostrophe Police, and you're under arrest.
NonStampCollector 6 months ago 35
@NonStampCollector nahhh from the moment i typed that comment till like now , ive been watching your videos ^_^ subscribed =)
HeyYouPMme 6 months ago
@NonStampCollector
That guy is right. No mistakes. It's just an unfinished sentence, as indicated by the two consecutive periods at the end. We don't know exactly what it is that our watching in 2011 might have entailed, but that's got nothing to do with spelling. Your just assuming he meant to say "you are" is indeed just, though. I'll give you that.
JackyVSO 1 month ago
@HeyYouPMme IT's you're, not your.
That is what we non-trolling people calling a punctuation/spelling mistake.
shreyapanda 4 weeks ago
@shreyapanda yes lol that was 5 months ago, I was illiterate then I admit :), I sub to this dude, I love him.
HeyYouPMme 4 weeks ago
@HeyYouPMme Go back to grammar school.
kiasta 2 days ago
@iDrinkPlainMilk Jesus really does have six fingers, I saw him at the bar last night. I said "Hey jesus! Gimme a high six!" LOL. He has two middle fingers on each hand hahaha.
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@iDrinkPlainMilk It was thumbs down... it is 2012
upisoft2 1 month ago
"Because they wanna use their choice to choose things that I don't chose to allow them to choose!"
xD
I LITERALLY rofled!
11/10 :'-)
saxoman1 6 months ago
@DeeFuzR your religious and watching this? hmmm... "your anger makes you ignorant"
mrsvinarich26 6 months ago
what was the song on 3:40? please anyone....
slay3r43v3r 6 months ago
God has a lot of fingers
TheGermanAlex 7 months ago
"religion gives hope in a world torn apart by religion"
mrsvinarich26 7 months ago 3
Stupid video, God is not pleased! Been reported.
smurfboywv 7 months ago
@smurfboywv what "god"?
mrsvinarich26 7 months ago
@mrsvinarich26 God our father, the holy creator, our way to salvation.
smurfboywv 7 months ago
@smurfboywv
God is pleased, he totally enjoyed this comedy, you worthless liar. He just told me that.
timfidotru 6 months ago
Jesus is a liar.
teyut88 7 months ago 2
The music played at 2:50 on made me expect a jedi fight or x wing fight. Also I didn't catch all that. What's the message? Am I going to burn?
mistereveready 7 months ago
God is British?
alismouha 7 months ago
FREEWILL as in choose the path of goodness i.e being a harmless,mannered, civilised person OR a human that HURTS others in very many ways becoz of their devious ways!its NOT just living their man made law lives,n keeping themselves 2 themselves,but the problem comes when they cause other suffering of all sorts of nature!sorry not acceptable...so ya best follow wot god says n b a harmless human.thats wot muslims believe...*
Galaxy0981 7 months ago
So, you think that it would be better if we were obligated to follow Jesus? Of course you are free.Also, God does not punish people, they CHOOSE to be punished or not...and it looks like you already made your choice...Oh, and a last thing. Why do you try to take people away from God? Are you such a good person that you care about the others and what they believe in? I don't think so. I think you're just a lifeless guy who has nothing else to do than making silly videos to draw people's attention
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 "God does not punish people, they CHOOSE to be punished or not..."
Yeah, that's a bunch of crap. That's like saying a murder victim chooses to get killed by yelling for help, when the mugger clearly told him not to.
JackDavid6405 7 months ago 5
@JackDavid6405 You can't relate God to a mugger. God does not use violence...
00darkrai00 7 months ago
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@00darkrai00 "God does not use violence..."
Ha.... ha..... ha...... It's like you've never heard of the Old Testament.
JackDavid6405 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 So who punishes them?
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty None punishes them. They punish themselves. God only chooses if someone will be punished or not, he does not punish them
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 So he created hell to punish us but doesn't punish us? Why did he create hell?
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty He created it in order to separate the good from the bad people and to send them there to make them regret about the sins they commited in life. Let's also don't forget that in the Second Coming of Christ all the people will be judged again! (and by all I mean alive AND DEAD)
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 So he created hell for bad people? What do they do in hell?
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty I said, there they can regret about the sins they commited in life... Hell is not a place with big fires and stuff like this. When we say that they "burn" it is a metaphor, this actually means that they do not feel any good feelings there, only misery, sadness and pain
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 Isn't pain a form of punishment?
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty Not physical pain you noob xD
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 So emotional pain, sadness, and misery for all eternity is not punishment?
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty No, it's a way to tell people that they have done something wrong
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 So that they can learn to not do it again?
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty So that they can really repent and be forgiven in the Second Coming of Christ...I hate repeating the same thing again and again
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 So they go to hell to be forgiven? Do they get to go heaven afterwords?
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty They will go to heaven only if they really regret about their sins... It's something like a prison I'd say, but you can choose whether you will get out or not
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 So after a few years in hell if you regret what you did you'll get into heaven?
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty Come on, didn't you understand a word? The dead will be judged again in the Second Coming of Christ!! I said it 3 times, what don't you understand?
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 So if Hitler feels regret he'll be in Heaven?
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty Well...it depends on the amount and the importance of the sins you have commited in life, but I think he can be saved too...
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 Then fuck your religion. I don't want to go to a heaven where people like Hitler are allowed.
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty You're right about this, but after all why do you think you can judge? Are you a saint or something? And a last thing to end this conversation because it's pointless I think...I believe in God because He (or the thought of His existence if you like) gives me strength when every other hope is gone and because I want to believe that there is some kind of justice that you can't find anywhere in this unfair world...that's why I believe in God
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 Well thank you for convincing me to not be a Christian.
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty Do you mean that prior to our conversation you were or were going to be a Christan? XD
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 I'm always open to new beliefs. Your beliefs however are warped and demented. If that's how all Christians are then I want to avoid them as much as possible.
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty Hah, you're funny, because I'm not even a very religious person. I'm generally very open minded I'd say. If you take into account the music I'm listening to (heavy metal) you will see that. What I'm expressing is my beliefs, I don't try to convert you into a Christian, I just say what I think is right. If you prefer to believe that justice is wrong then I can't do anything to fix that.
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 Yes because Heavy metal is antichristian. You're beliefs make no sense. If god created Hell to send bad people then hell is punishment which means that god punishes people.
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty Ok, if that's what you want to hear... Also, I don't think that Heavy Metal is generally anti-Christian, what I meant is that I have no problem to listen to songs with even satanic lyrics (I love the "Headless Cross" by Black Sabbath) and I'm not as narrow minded as you think
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 Black Sabbath is not satanic.
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty Generally not, but in this songs case it is... If "there's been no escape from the power of Satan" is not satanic then what is it? And that's just a verse, all the song goes like this, but I have absolutely no problem with that because I love the music. Also I listen to Bathory, Rotting Christ and many other bands like these and again I don't have any problems with their lyrics, although they are sometimes against Christianity
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 Well considering that the band is atheist: it's probably ironic. I haven't heard the song so I can't tell you out of the context.
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty Well, I can say that I'm an atheist and then take part in black masses. Saying that I'm an atheist doesn't mean that I actually am, but anyways, I don't think we should make a conversation about Black Sabbath right now :P (by the way, they also have a song with Christian lyrics which is called "After Forever" .This is actually very ironic as you said)
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 Ummmm... A black mass is preformed by the Satanic Church founded by Anton LeVay, who was an atheist. The Satanic Church is a group of like minded anti-theists who are against the actual premise of god and relgion and preform rituals as a spite against Christianity. If you are taking part in a Black Mass in 2011, it's probably being done by the Satanic Church, which means you are probably an atheist. Your statement makes no sense.
(PS use to be a satanist)
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty Firstly his name is Anton LaVey and not Anton LeVay. Secondly, atheism and anti-theism is not the same thing...
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 My mistake for the typo. And I have to disagree, if you say that atheism and antitheism are different things you're just splitting hair to try to seperate people.
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty I mean that you can be an atheist, but not an aggressive one...
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 You know what happens when you break down the word atheist right? A, as in asexual, as in lack of, and theist. Anti is opposite or lack of. So how is it different.?
shagoosty 7 months ago
@shagoosty Anti doesn't mean lack of, it shows only opposistion. I know this very well because it's a Greek word and also because the dictionary says it :P
00darkrai00 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 Either way it's still splitting hair over semantics to try to split people who aren't even really together to begin with.
shagoosty 7 months ago
@00darkrai00 Things aren't real because someone likes them, or wish them true. Some of use are bias toward believing the things that are actually true, even if we don't like the truth or is it ugly.
no2religions 7 months ago
@shagoosty Also, I think that you have learned something wrong... Hell is not a place made of matter with little red horned demons that kick your ass, it is a spiritual place where the bad people go to regret and feel sorry about their sins and not even permanently!! In the Second Coming of Christ they will be judged again... And a last thing...do you think it would be fair if all the people, good and bad, ended up in the same place? I don't think so...this is called JUSTICE
00darkrai00 7 months ago
The religious are deluded with superstition and suffer from the illusion of a "higher morallity". Because of this, atheists are have a moral advantage over theists.
treysharkk 7 months ago
What's that big lump in the front of Jesus's robes?
RejectorofDelusion 8 months ago in playlist god
Free will is an out-dated idea that has no evidence for it's existence. Even atheists that subscribe to the idea of free will say they 'believe' they have free will. They know they are shaky ground at best. Free will is the religion of atheism.
rcguy69 8 months ago
You can be a Christian and not believe in an infinite hell (note, I said infinite, not eternal, because those two things are ultimately different things). The Church adopted a dualistic approach to the concept of the afterlife due to the influence of medieval gnosticism, but in truth the idea of hell as a place of torment forever is a misinterpretation of the concept of hell as given in the scriptures. Truly, hell is nothing like what many people conceive.
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Pantera - Suicide Note Part 2 is the song at 3:37!
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i've been thinking, what would be worse, eternal bliss or torture, note the eternal bit, im gonna call it even steven at this point
DemoticTruth 9 months ago
this is probably your most important video nonstampcollector. well done. I would suggest you make videos comparing the religious mindset to that of the soviet union. the berlin wall is a great example of an omnipotent (compared to an individual civilian) entity being so petty as to label those who wanted to leave the USSR "traitors", and wanting to catch and punish insignificant individuals who just wanted out.
georgek19 9 months ago
What was the song that played at 3:39?
DrSpooglemon 9 months ago
@crashpilot2 Did we just switch from justifying God's punishments in the OT, to explaining Hell? I know you tried to make it more obvious, but I really don't get what you're trying to say. I'm sorry... =(
LoveHisTruth 9 months ago
What "immoral" stuff does the Bible teach? It is the basis for having morals. Where do you get them from otherwise? I realize there are harsh punishments in the O.T. but the Isrealites were a very disobedient people, js. I am actaully reading through the OT, I'm in Leviticus.
If you only hone in on the bulk of the text you think is awful, then of course the Bible seems "horor", you take it out of context and kill the beauty. But I can't blame you I can tell you don't get the Bible's mesage
LoveHisTruth 9 months ago
@LoveHisTruth
You should watch NonStampCollector's video titled "Context!!!!!!".
Also, does God have the right to murder men, women and children just because the Isrealites were disobedient? Genocide is never acceptable, no matter the context.
AxGodxInxRuins 9 months ago
@AxGodxInxRuins Ok I will get to that when I have time.
I am guessing you are opposed to capital punishment then? You need to remember to distinguish between murder/genocide and punishment. The first is something inflicted on an "inocent" person, usually I'd say by someone mentally unstable. The second is basically a consequence.
LoveHisTruth 9 months ago
@LoveHisTruth
But as the video said, bad actions have their own bad consequences. Why would you have to add to them? And what did the Israelites do that permitted genocide? Why did they deserve that punishment? I mean shouldn't God, a supposed omnipotent being, have a better way to solve the problem?
AxGodxInxRuins 9 months ago
@AxGodxInxRuins Yes, bad actions have their own bad consequences. Isreal was God's chosen people though, and obviously, the natural "bad consequences" was not enough for them to obey God's laws. He enforced them. Just like we have a justice system now. Instead of saying couldn't He have come up with a "better solution", maybe we should say He knew what the best solution was. Its reasonable, if there is a perfect God (not how He is described in these videos), He knows better than humans do.
LoveHisTruth 9 months ago
@LoveHisTruth
So you're trying to justify genocide by claiming that the Israelites wouldn't obey God? So each of the people he killed were bad and deserved death? Did they all go to hell? And I'm doubting he knows better than humans if he doesn't know the nature of his "chosen people". Shouldn't he have known they would disobey him? He's omniscient, right?
AxGodxInxRuins 9 months ago
@AxGodxInxRuins You are still assuming that it is something illegal and not a punishment, js. I'd say yes, they deserved their punishment, at least by the laws of the time, but I doubt they went to Hell. It was only an earthly punishment. He did know their nature, and how they would act, and He knew best. Don't ask me to explain why God did everything, that I don't know.
LoveHisTruth 9 months ago
@LoveHisTruth
Again, when is genocide ever justified? Men, women and children were slaughtered. And I thought God never changed. Why do his laws? Did he all of a sudden have a change of heart? Is he indecisive?
AxGodxInxRuins 9 months ago
@AxGodxInxRuins Well, would you allow "genocide" if it was the exucution of mass muderers, alot of them? God never does change, but life here on earth does, so it is obovious for how we approach it to change go. The same principles that are behind the laws haven't changed, just the laws themselves.
LoveHisTruth 9 months ago
@LoveHisTruth
So the women and children and animals that God killed were all mass murderers? Is that what you're saying? So life on earth changes and so do God's laws change? Well, if God is omniscient shouldn't he have seen all this coming? Shouldn't he have just made a single system that works? The more and more you try to defend your God the more imperfect he sounds. I mean, he's already a jealous God. That's a very human emotion. And I thought humans were imperfect.
AxGodxInxRuins 9 months ago
@AxGodxInxRuins Well as an imperfect human, so is my defense, and if through my efforts I make God sound human, I truly wish to do better. You see, the first system was designed for before Jesus came, many of the ceremonial laws needed to teach the need for Jesus. The second system is the one we have today, after Jesus has come, they are two very different times separted by an amazing event. It is natural that the laws would change.
LoveHisTruth 9 months ago
@AxGodxInxRuins No, I am not saying that and you know it. You asked me to supply a time when genocide was ever acceptable. Now, here on earth, with flawed human understanding, we have that scenario. If you truly believe that God is possible, its not much of an assumption to say He knew what He was doing.
In humans, jealousy is bad because we are wanting something that is not rightfully ours. In God, it is perfect, because He wants what is rightfully His. Since He is Creator, therfor owner.
LoveHisTruth 9 months ago
@LoveHisTruth
So genocide is acceptable when they're all mass murderers? I disagree, but okay. And were the Israelites all mass murderers? And that's the thing, it doesn't seem like God knows what he's doing. He doesn't sound like any God I can imagine. I have too much respect for the idea God to associate it with what you consider to be a God.
Isn't that a double standard? Is that the type of God you believe in?
AxGodxInxRuins 9 months ago
@AxGodxInxRuins Thats exactly what I asked you last time, would you allow it if it was mass murderers. But then you changed the direction of the conversation so I assumed you agreed. My mistake. The point I am trying to make is if flawed human beings like ourselves can find a reason today for exectution for a crime to be ok, a perfect God in a completly different time can do the same.
And I suggest we continue the debate about God over private chanels so were not taking up the comments page.
LoveHisTruth 9 months ago
@LoveHisTruth
Agreed.
AxGodxInxRuins 9 months ago
@LoveHisTruth Slavery is condoned in the NT
kittley1984 9 months ago
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Wow. I'm really sad if this is how so many people view the Bible and Christianity. As a Christian, I can tell you this is not what the Bible teaches at all, and you have twisted the truth immensly.
However, I guess you just go on what you already think about Christianity, so I can't critisize. It really makes me sad though, I wish you understood the beauty of the Bible.
LoveHisTruth 9 months ago
@LoveHisTruth I think the opposite. As a non-christian (ie, objective), I can tell you that the bible teaches all sorts of immoral, awful stuff, and to view it through rose-colored glasses doesn't "twist the truth", but certainly misses the overwhelming bulk of the text.
I guess you just go on what you already think about Christianity, but I do criticize, in as friendly a way as possible. It really makes me sad, though, I wish you could see the horror of the bible. Read the O.T. especially.
NonStampCollector 9 months ago 33
@NonStampCollector NonstampCollector I find it funny that the secular god in the second part is the real god that the abrahamic theist praise but oddly enough they call his god when there holy text say otherwise great videos I am a big fan.
Man4Goodwill 7 months ago
@NonStampCollector Yeah NSC the Abrahamic god is very tyrannical
Man4Goodwill 7 months ago
@LoveHisTruth yeah about ten pages in yawhe has already killed everything in the entire world, launched a brutal series of war, personally endorsed slavery and his prophet has already had a son by one of his slaves from egypt
lonewolfM16 9 months ago
@lonewolfM16 Judgement for sins of the world, judgement for sins of different nations, judgement, aaand personal sin. Yes, the O.T. is about a lot of judging. It sets the stage for the N.T.
I get how you can see it as horrible and all, but its so sad none of you can see the big picture. Sigh, it was a different time, before Jesus fufilled the law and rid us for the need of all that. But I know I probably can't convince you, you've already decided what you know...
LoveHisTruth 9 months ago
@LoveHisTruth The only problem here is that I (An Atheist) can see the big picture, it's the Theist with the narrow view, my journey to becoming an Atheist was long and had some painful times as I was heavily indoctrinated, but now I wouldn't change a thing about my journey, it's amazing to see with open eyes and not blinders, I feel like I've been unplugged from the Matrix. I hope one day you ask a question and are brave enough to follow it to the end, don't stop in fear just keep going.
kittley1984 9 months ago
@kittley1984 You know its funny, the way you say you "see with open eyes" now, is how so many people describe going from Atheist to Christian. When you say you were "indoctrinated", really sounds like you never thought for yourself, or accepted Christ for yourself either. Sounds more like a "parents believe it so i did" thing. If you never really understood Christianity, then what you said makes total sense. I hope one day you can see Chrstianity the same way I do=)
LoveHisTruth 9 months ago
@LoveHisTruth I was expecting that exact answer. I did find Jesus, I thought I had a "relationship" with him, I used to cry at church when they went through what Christ went through. I was probably "closer" to Him than most people would imagine. That doesn't change the fact that Christ is a mental state, one that feels good, you feel connected it feels real, it fills that hole inside you, it still doesn't make it real. I now feel that this feeling is our connection with the Universe. -cont
kittley1984 9 months ago
@LoveHisTruth -cont Now it feels real. Jesus is wonderful at filling a hole that is explained by the fact that everything in our world is made of stardust were connected to everything, I love this Universe, I love this world, to lose the wonder and awe and fill it in with God cheapens the whole experience. Please don't fool yourself with "You don't understand Christianity" I hear it and I hate it. I hope you loose this false belief and revel in the wonder of the truth of this world.
kittley1984 9 months ago 9
@kittley1984 Would you believe I also expected that answer? I knew if I was wrong in that, this is what you would say. Christianity is more than just a "feeling" its very dangerous to look at it that way. Dangerous I mean in that it leads away from true Christianity. Time and time again Christianity warns against just the "feelings" of things. And you prove that. But I wonder, if your whole life is just to "experience the universe" how to you deal with morals, right and wrong, and suffering?
LoveHisTruth 9 months ago
@LoveHisTruth
Evolution explains all those things. Try reading some books on it.
Even animals care for their young, and others young at times, often hunt in packs in order to survive (aka dont just kill the shit out of each other), and can have complex communication systems in order to warn others of danger. If animals can 'care' about each other, work with each other for the greater good of their species, why is it so hard to think that humans can as well?
Hillbilly616 9 months ago 27
@LoveHisTruth this is your big chance to convince atheists otherwise. refute what you think is wrong about the video, come on, discussion is important.
georgek19 9 months ago
@LoveHisTruth I've read the bible and was a Xian for many years this seems pretty accurate to me, which Bible are you reading? Is there a new version I'm not aware of?
kittley1984 9 months ago
@kittley1984 Personally I don't know what version you read or what a Xian is, but from my expereince most translations say the same thing, just different words. I'm not the authority on the subject though. I read the New King James Version. The reason the video is innacurate, is because it interprets the Bible from a secular, "God is falliable view. You need to let scripture interpret scripture. It puts a different spin on the whole situation. I wish I could explain everything, but letter limit.
LoveHisTruth 9 months ago
@LoveHisTruth ok Xian is Christian thought that would be self explanatory it's just shortened. Riddle me this how many "mental back flips" does it take for you to say something like "let scripture interpret scripture"?. Your God should of been more than capable of expressing himself so that we could understand him and not have a need for us to say something as ridiculous as "let scripture interpret scripture". How sad he needs people to justify and interpret it in the first place.
kittley1984 9 months ago
@kittley1984 Sorry I'd never herad that before lol=) Why does everyone keep talking about "mental flips"? Is that what you all mean by thinking Christianly? Let scripture interpret scripture basically means that you can't just take one part out of context with the whole Bible. If they way you interpret it contradicts what the Bible says, than you are looking at it wrong. How sad people can not understand something as simple as context anymore. (and not blow it ot of proportion like Nonstamp)
LoveHisTruth 9 months ago
@LoveHisTruth I don't understand your comment. Are you saying that there's no hell? Or that the Bible doesn't tell you that you're going to hell if you don't believe in Jesus? Are you saying that mainstream Christian theology doesn't threaten non-believers with hell? I'm honestly confused. I've read the bible and ALL those things are explicitly stated there. How can you say we are "viewing" it wrong when all we did was read the bible? Our "view" comes from direct biblical passages.
DenisSweet 8 months ago
@DenisSweet Well, lol idk which comment, I have ton on this vid, woops=) No, I'm not saying any of that at all, if you do not accept Jesus as your Savior to take away your sins, you will pay for those sins in hell. And what exactly are we talking about viewing right now? Its easier to talk to people over messages, don't fill up the comments page lol.
LoveHisTruth 8 months ago
5:24 God has 6 fingers. Made in his image my arse :/
SamdeSquirell 9 months ago
@SamdeSquirell baaaahaha
kittley1984 9 months ago