why if there are ppl who u think are ugly, but they might be genius or talented in many many other ways or hardworking, why u shitty "white" ppl cant handle that. Why do u think darker skin ppl should always suffer or be the ones dying, and if someone who is darker alittle is more succesful than u, u wanna kill yourself or hurt someone.
As an Iranian national.I would have voted for Ahmadinezhad myself because I see Ahmadinezhad to have more of socialist leanings, but at the same time I construe the agitation as a positive movement to loosen the clerical grip on power.
کو روش و پا ر سها ا ز هند به ا یر ا ن آمدند و با ما د ر و خو ا هر خو د شا ن همبستر می شد ند و به ا ین علت فا ر سها ز شت و خبیث هستند و ا یر ا ن قا بل ا صلا ح نیست چو ن کو ر و ش کثیف ا یر ا ن ر ا د ر ست کر د ه ا ست-2500 سا ل فر هنگ شا هنشا هی و بها ئی = فحا شی , تجا وز ,
70 % of population leave in cities only 30% leave in roaral areas. Assuming AhamdiNejad won by 63% is to unreal when you look at what is happening in cities.
Subjective reasoning is certainty that there was no foul play in the election, which you have no proof of. Unless you feel that the Ayatollah is sacrosanct proof, which is revealing. You are dealing with your opinion/agenda which is based on narrow assumption that votes were counted properly. The protests are valid and embrace a wide range of problematic gov't issues with a 'democracy' within dictatorship, and it is actually that larger picture that is of greater relevance.
Res Ipsa Loquitur folks. The "thing speaks for itself". When a nation's people get together and agree they did NOT vote for the 'prevailing' candidate, it calls the results into question. As to evidence of fraud, there is not exactly a court examining evidence, of course "we don't know". The early result, comm. shutdown, public reaction, gov't unwillingness to investigate: yes, that's all we have, folks, what else do we need?
A loud minority of people who believed lies that oil money would be deposited to their bank accounts in 1979 is what caused this problem.
What proof is there that what we have now is a "loud minority of college students"? When free speech is forbidden and communications are thwarted or shut down, surely there is a plurality of historic proportion wanting change. As with Obama, the whole world is for it.
You made the supposition. Yet you offer no proof. What we have are videos of educated english speaking smart phone using persians. We saw no minority groups. No unions had a strike. And as for oil that is where rafsanjanis loyalty lays....let's not forget moussavi was an unpopular president and started the nuclear program. Nothing indicates he is anything but the same as he was when he was president. There were noprotests in the poor regions. The rural regions. The small cities.
You have made an intelligent conclusion based on what you have observed, as a US citizen who is accumstomed to perceiving events in the Middle East by what you have seen on TV or read on the internet. Respectable. However, being a dual US-Persian national, talking to people and firsthand experience, every1 I've spoken to and every1 they've spoken to all voted for Mousavi. Change has been in the air in Iran for awhile, and for good reason, a lot of it has been quiet. Unions strikes? Please.
Yes a strike was called for by the crowds. It was ignored. That is teeling. Ny info came from persian sources as well as arabic sources. Can u name one source that claims that the majoroty of folks voted for moussavi. None of the independant polls indicated it. In fact notihng indicates. You offered no proof. Just subjective reasoning. I source mine in the side bar
how u count 40 million paper ballots in four hours?muasavi had bigger rallys nationwide, for any of u living in iran knows this!! we dont want noones help besides help thru protest means not militarize
Iran does not have a history of election fraud. In the months leading up to the election, some 30 polls were conducted by respected polling organizations. Averaging the results, Ahmadinejad had a predicted victory by some 20%.
Ahmadinejad also has been a political leader for many years. His opposition had only been campaigning for a very short time.
Nevertheless, the writing is on the wall for the current leadership in Iran.
al gore lost tennesee. you also ignore the supreme leader comes from that hometown. you seem to only regale in half the facts. do you know how many us presidents have lost their home state? quite a few. no poll had him 2 to 1. name one. i have sourced many polls and not one have moussavi winning. academic sourcing or you lose.
and polls were done in iran prior, and every single independant one has moussavi losing 2 to one. referneces in side bar. love how you removed your silly comments.
I haven't found any good news articles that went into detail about how the voter fraud investigation so I don't know what to think but I'm sure at the very most it was 55/45 I hope Obama saying he won't intervene isn't him saying essentially, "after all, I'm not Bush. Am I right?! Am I right?!". I hope it was directed towards Europe and other Countries that assume we're going to police everything. They don't like us when we do and they wonder why, almost broken hearted, why we don't intervene.
I've got Batman on the run. Better get your boyfriend robin to help. I should have known u were a poser when I saw that you censor thumbs up/down. Now you are removing posts that are FACT based and leaving the ones where I rant at your self delusion. hmmm.
As for..."Pointing to Bush with no proof"
I REPEAT.
Bush doing everything he can to stop the most IMPORTANT INVESTIGATION in American history IS evidence.
Stop manipulating. I check 2 c if things post..cont
A mere 15mill dollars given to the 911 commission to start the investigations ONE YEAR LATER. Bush did EVERYTHING he could to stop ALL investigations; private or governmental.
45mill was spent on Bill Clintons BLOW JOB within one WEEK of the "controversy"
I noticed that my most current and most RELEVANT post just seemed to dissappear!.. hmm. So I posted it again because SURELY you did not censor it, seeing that it had no Reptillians or name calling in it, just plain factual reporting. oooh scary!
i am sure the comment will post. i am haviong problems with it too. its stagnating at post comment, ive had to repost several comments the past few days. i have not deleted one comment, give it five minutes before you start making accusations.
"The committee has already learned that Ben Bernanke and the Federal Reserve made inappropriate threats to fire Bank of America management unless they went ahead with the 'shotgun wedding' that was the Merrill Lynch acquisition," Rep. Issa of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee
The Federal Reserve also engaged in a cover-up and deliberately hid concerns and pertinent details regarding the merger from other federal regulatory agencies," the statement said.
Also, saying that "you would enjoy arguing for OJ's innocence"
and "you would probably let Michael Jackson babysit your kid" (after all he's "not guilty") lol
is analogy humor, not straw man. I don't claim to be R. Pryor or Bill Hicks.
You are SERIOUSLY implying that I believe in Reptillians, Masons, alex jones, neo nazis, etc.
I also notice that you did not have a counter for all the down bets placed on the 911 airlines; that clearly proves thousands of people knew it was coming. hmm?
you are clearly the typical conspiracist. when you do something its intellectual and when someone else does it back you cry foul. you are a paranoid little goon who seriously has been a joy to ridicule. you are a joke. you and your new world order illuminati reptilian conspiracies. i am implying that your rhetoric is exactly the same. you have no idea what a straw man tactic or an ad hom is. why do you keep coming back? typical conspiracy nutjobs obsessed with anyone who doesnt believe.
LOL.. still on about the Reptilles? I am beginning to think you are the one who believes in Reptillians, you are obsessed with them even AFTER I said they have no relevance.
You are the Batman! lol. I am enjoying ridiculing your ridiculous contrarian bullshit.
Notice how you never have a counter argument? Just more ad hom, Reptillian bullshit with every reply.
Stop being a PUSSY and censoring your thumbs up/down.
Your fragile Ego cannot take any resistance. Spammers? lol Paranoid much?
2) I don't listen to alex jones, his voice annoys me.
3) Masons are impotent geezers with no power.
4) "NWO" is simply humanities true nature coming to fruition . Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Power ALWAYS divides, conquers, consolidates, usurps and absorbs until competition is eliminated. If you don't get that by now you are a child. World leaders will play teams for a while.. cont.
and then the "winners" will turn on each other until there is one central power.
Also, lawyers for families of 911 victims have recently connected actual payments from Bushes Saudi Friends to the "Al qaeda operatives" and are very close to tying the same saudis to 911. Bush did everything to stop these investigations.
Thousands of down bets on the airlines just before 911 proves that thousands of people knew it was coming. But NO ONE in our government knew? LOL You're retarded.
okey dokey. lol. you dont listen to any of them but you sound just like them. its all a big conspiracy, you are right. everyone in academia is wrong and you are right. what a joke.
I happen to think that poll was very likely accurate, but even if it wasn't you have to admit it's very obvious that the political establishment and therefore the media is pushing an anti-Iranian agenda big time.
The amount of media attention that is focused on demonizing Iran and questioning the elections (with out any solid proof) is unbelievable. Oh gee I guess it's just a coincidence that they are constantly trying to portray Iran as having nuclear weapons too, sounds familiar.
Saying that Bush clearly won the 2004 election is not true. The exit polls in Ohio were way off of what the vote totals were. The owner of Diebold the company that ran the electronic voting machines in Ohio said publicly that he would sway the election in favour of Bush. The whole election was untrustworthy because of electronic voting.
I'm not a liberal either I'm a libertarian, and don't buy into the fraud that is the left/right paradigm. Kerry would have been pretty much as bad.
it doesn't matter who won that election.. they are both fanatic Iranians. musawii is not Obama like free leader of a free republic. electing ahmadinajad just showed the reality of the Iranian intentions . moreover, the man who stands behind the Iranian megalomaniac Islamic republic is Khamenni (supreme leader) ...
yeah and poiting to bush as the culprit to 911 with no proof isn't strawman, you started this whole conversation with a strawman. now go shave your head and join the movement nazi.
Guess I was wrong. I figured all these protest would provoke Iran to begin to filter the material that comes in from the net into their country...seems that some time ago Nokia Siemans Network has already set up a system to where keywords and data can be deconstructed and monitored throughout the whole country...allowing them to monitor all citizens, not even china does that, (of course they have 300 million people online, Iran only has 23 mil). So much for freedom of information...
Ah Greens - I replied to your earlier comment before I saw this additional one. Yes, the Iranian government has already engaged in filtering information, has even been known to completely block access to certain social websites like Facebook for a brief period of time.
Ahmadinejad lost the election. It is simple thoses millions of people are more pssz off than anything. Ahmadinejad lost the election the election was rigged and the majority of the iranians meaning 80 per cent. They are fraudalent the government iran. George bush election was rigged and he should never have been president. He was the worst in the free world and did not represent freedom. His family were buddies with the bin laden. This is all fact
Hello resident of Spain! For my edification, would you please explain to me (providing links to factual information from credible sources) that the election in which Bush was the victor was "rigged?" You state it's "fact" please provide your sources on that.
can you source one academic source that claims 80 percent voted for mousavi? just one? or do you always post simplified responses to complicated issues without one source?
He didn't say "2 to 1." But I guess he was rounding up. :)
The reporting I heard on CNN was that in the few weeks before the election there was a massive surge for Moussavi, according to the many reporters on the ground there.
Did you notice in the #s reported by the government that, in contrast with the previous 'election,' all provinces in suddenly voted very uniformly, with no regional differences? Or that 40 million votes were cast, gathered, and counted by hand in just 12 hours?
who is he? there are seven reference to the right, and the poll he speak to says it was "larger than the official results" and considering they official results were 2 to 1, there a larger margin would be what? lol. same things happened in reagans second term, you cliaming that was fixed to?
1) it is pronunced eeyrrAn like India not like I ran.
2)there was no Election. they did not count any votes!!!how can they count 39 Million hand written ballots in 2 hours and declare A N the winner.
3)reformist got 75% of the vote in 1997 and 2001 and in 2005 they boycoted the election which was the main reason A N got elected.this time vast majority of people even religous ones voted for Mousav.just to defeat A N.
Dialect escapes folks like you. Being a citizen of a country qualifies as an expert at notihng. Its like saying a crackhead on the street in washington is an expert at american elections because he lives here. As for a refromist...what reform has there been in iran...lol. you mean mandating head dresses again or local imposition of sharia law in regions. Or would it be moussavi and rafsanjanis close ties to oil...that is refromist in yourworld? Its your supreme leader...deal or change it.
So You can not even pronounce the name of my country and i should learn about my country from you!!!???
By the way i did not see any response to my points there.
Mousavi ties to oil?can you elaborate..
There were a lot of reforms in iran during khatami and hardliners try to close the doors and turn back the clock by shuting down news papers,well they can not and they failed and lost all their legitimacy in the eyes of the world and all iranians.
Not sure how the Iranians are trying to convince themselves that these protest are being encouraged by the British and U.S. governments (though i'm sure there glad for this opportunity ). But I wonder if the Iranian gov will use this has a way to censor information that comes from the West.
They don't need a 'way' to do things. They are lying, and they know it. And they already censor a lot now. My guess is they'll be consulting w/ the Chinese in the near future on how to expand this exponentially. In ten years every Iranian will be convinced their genocidal government is the model of democratic perfection and all dissenters are 'troublemakers' due every conceivable cruelty.
cant deny they excuse genocide, regardless, moussavi, as president started the nuclear program and is virently anti-jewish. deal with it, regardless of who won, it would be the same.
battim, no doubt about that. The hope is that this conflict would at least split the old power structure so that the country would be at least more capable of focusing on internal problems rather than furthering their 'revolution' everywhere else.
what does either side of that power structre, in their ideology, favors the west? nothing. its will still be pro chinese anti western policy. regardless.
The majority in Iran won the vote. The minority started riots. Then they ask for help with their "Peaceful protests". Peaceful is not the word for these protests. It is hard to be sympathetic towards the minority from all the rioting. I do believe though that before the year is up Iran will need our help to fend off the Zionist state of Israel. They have already stated they will attack them and are preparing for such an attack. Has anyone thought why we are attacking Muslim states?
Wow, ROFL Geek! Never give up a chance to spout anti-semitism. The rift between sunnis and shiites is far more unstable for the Middle East than the differences, great as they are, between Arabs and Jews. You know, sometimes people just have enough after 30 years of facist religious dictatorship. I think that's what we're seeing here. Not the rioting of a leftist minority who didn't get their way.
Some other prominent TIN FOIL HAT conspiracy "theorists". LOL See video "NWO From the mouths of the Elite" If anyone can discredit those quotes, Please do so. Benjamin Disraeli Woodrow Wilson Henry Ford John Hylan (mayor of New York 1918-1925) JFK Joseph Kennedy Franklin Roosevelt Curtis Dall (FDR's son in law) James Warburg (Rothchild Banking Agent).. cont
All those peole did not speak of a one world government...conspiracists have taken there words out of context. Some of these folks have been dead for a century...so where is this one world government? It doesn't exist and it was not their intent...we had two world wars that would have given them the opportunity and it never happened....out of context rubbish. Oogie boogie the world ministry of illuminati coming to get ya....a hiundred years later...lol. oh my your paranoia
"oh my your paranoid" .."haven't used that term (NWO) in 20yrs"
The International Economic Forum of the Americas is having their conference here in Montreal from June 8 to June 11. It is entitled... Drum roll please
a new world order, you make it sound as if those words only have some conspiratorial meaning you moron. lol. of course, every time powers fall and things realign there is a new world order, its doesnt mean one world government you twit
Well considering academia agree with me and provacateurs like alex jone agree with you. Keep aligning yourself with the far right....then you can shave your head and have the sequel to american history x penned after your life story...ill buy a ticket
Yeah oj is a new world order guy. He is illuminati so they let him go. He is part of the 911 plot so they needed him...right conspiracy boy, or maybe he was a reptilian
Hoesntly I saw very little of the trial. So as I said in this vlog/..ten time...we don't know..u can pretend to know things like the religous...don't make it real. Bottom line is you don't belive any government is legit anyway...would it matter if moussavi won in your twisted little delusion of the world. Litmus test time...if there is no legitimate authority...why do u eveb care?
Tim, I saw most of the trial (considering I lived in Los Angeles and well, worked for LAPD), but pay no mind to folks like tbgx here...the system actually worked in that case. Did he do it? Maybe or even probably...but our system mandates a jury to find a defendant "not guilty" when reasonable doubt is present, and as much as people like tbgx might refuse to see it - reasonable doubt was indeed present and the jury did it's job. And just WTF are we talking about this anyway? LOL
Aside from the glove thing (which you've pointed out three times already, get some new material) there were plenty of other factors and other evidence that absolutely created reasonable doubt. I happen to think the glove wasn't part of the reasonable doubt - of course they didn't fit, they'd been blood-soaked, liquid shrinks leather, duh. You don't have much in the way of critical thinking skills, do ya?
lol you actually went back and counted? I took a guess because an exact number wasn't all that important. Guessing a wrong number has no relation to critical thinking skills. Sorry I missed your point; it's a little deluded and all over the board, hard to get a read on where you're coming from considering you're not interested in being consistent and concise, but rather wanna argue just for the sake of arguing.
Furman using the N word had no bearing on the evidence of the case, it only proved he's a racist. Furman's impact on the trial was incredibly minimal. I don't believe everything I read in the media, but I absolutely take people at their word until they give me reason not to. You have Hollywood listed as where you live, I took you at your word, are you now disclosing to us that you're a liar?
Say, I bet you think the officers who were acquitted for beating Rodney King were guilty, is that correct? Litmus test time, let's see if you believe all that you read. :-)
lol Obviously you aren't interested in an intelligent conversation on the matter. Again, you just wanna argue just to argue and do so by tossing out ridiculous statements. I'm not taking the bait kiddo, I'm a tad smarter than you seem to think. Have a good one tb, I easily grow bored with your kind.
M..No, stating a wrong # show's that you CREATED what you wanted to see(as Tim likes to say) not what was there. Same with ur HW and RAGM comment.
Furman no bearing?
He was the excuse used to dismiss the fact that OJ had the VICTIMS BLOOD all over the inside of his bronco, on his shoe,his gloves,his socks, in his house.lol
But because furman used N word, that means he planted all that evidence. Gathered blood from the crime scene and smeared it all over Oj's stuff when no one was looking LOL
Because counter cultuire boy seems to think he knows how the workd works. He whines and pontificates against the system that affords him the very lifestyle he lives that he can sit on his ass and play on the internet.
Tim, plenty of his type all over SoCal and they never cease to amuse me. He lives in Hollywood (the real city actually being VERY different from the one people have glamorized in their heads) - it's a cesspool of starving artists, hookers, drug addicts - just a step or two up from ghetto. Totally loaded with rage against the machine mindsets.
Afraid the american media doesn't share your point of view. There trying to sell outrage on the images of "peaceful" protesters being beaten by men in black uniform with the word "police" on the back (thought you said they were milithia). I'm sure the American gov would prefer that it's people have another reason to dislike Iran...may come in handy in the future.
The only thing funny abour your statement is you seem to think it matters who won. As if making a silly straw man comparison to oj means a thinf. Substance is not your stronmg point. Name one legitimate government that is questioning the results. Even media agrees that he did probably win. But live in a fantasy world believing there is a diffeerence between the candidates. The imans have and will rule iran. No president did or will will the revolutioary guard exists. Silly people
"Name one legitimate government that is questioning the results".. lol
Yes, name one legitimate government, period.
lol.. Your so brilliant you have outsmarted your own common sense. You like to analyze the trees. Someday you should decide to climb one and take a look at the forrest, the panorama is breathtaking.
Well genius. U apparently don't understand what legitimate entails. It mean legal and there is not one recognized legal government that agrees with you. Consesnus is how science works. Looking over the trees to s ee ehat u want and not what actually is is called superstition.
It does mean something. Denying thayt is denying empiricism. Rule of law is effectiove...even if u wanna play rebel bad guy you sit on the internet that is a product of said system. I love listening to wanna be counterculture folkd who live under the protection and liberty of the very government they whine about
Tell that to Palestine and Israel on behalf of the world court!
Laws are for people who don't count. Power does what it wants.
"protection and liberty of the very government they whine about"... lol Say's the wizzard of OZ as my protection and liberty become less and less with each passing "legal" administration.
Laws are for everyone.. its why we have orderly traffic and standards in technology. Its why we have labor protections and why rapists are murderers are in prison. You are living in oz if you think thst for a second without the liberites the government. That is. The people afford you the ability to do so. Such entitled little words from a person who again sits on the internet that without a legitimate government. Wouldn't exist
Many people living in the lawless ghettos of brazil and elsewhere have internet and computers,(and tv, dvd, cell phone etc.) so your point is moot.
"Rapists and murders in prison".. Only the ones without power. O.J, case in point. Just enough power to squeek by on that first round of criminal behavior. 2ond round, no power... jail.
Oh contrare. The law od the jungle is still the law. But genius again...the internet regardless of where it is. Is still a product of the government. It was invented for and vy them. There are many kingpins with power in jail or dead. Ask hoffa and capone.. what a vapid excuse for humanity you are
Try again.. The internet is a product of corporations, as is government. If you think the military indrustry is there to serve the government? lol
"many kingpins"
What you meant to say is that their power kept them OUT of Jail for many years, and when their power waned, or better yet, someone with MORE power wanted them in jail; usually for personal reasons.. to jail they went.
lol.. That's why so many leaders in the western world use the term.
Wake up dip shit. "Reptillian" ? Your so full of straw men and baseless assumptions. You're like Fox News, your arguments suck and you take yourself waaay too seriously.
Lol. You are a moron who doesn't get context. When the soviet union fell the was a new order. Its wasn't a proper noun you morn. Noone has used that term in 20 years...except alex jones and rush limbaugh and others of the far right paranoid delusional bend. I hope you have
FAIL... Bill Clinton, Henry Kissinger, Sarkosky, George bush 1 and 2, Dick Cheney, Regan, Ron Paul.. on and on. In spoken word and written Document. Many leaders are now talking world currency.
Now Fuck yourself and your Propaganda. You're the kind of asshole who questions everything except his own Opinion.
Now If I say FUCK YOUR MOTHER, she's a stinky whore.. Will you stop inviting me back to your page?
Oh now I get it...all this to pick on mom. Dad stop posting on my videos again. Lol. China spoke of a currency and the world giggled...I supoose yoll ignore russia. The usa and the eu mocking the idea...
The internet was invented by the military you moron. Lol. And capone was illuminati reptilian new world order right conspiracy boy? You are fun....really. they have medication for paranoid delusions. Look out put on your tin foil cap..lol
Lol. Is it an s corp or an llc? Lol. So the president is the ceo? So therefore if the head of state is the head of this corp in your delusional world therefore the government invented it...even in your delusional logic
Yeah because alex jones illumnati conspiracies are real and not proganda by any means....even if they borrow soviet rhetoric on a regular basis...lol. I seriously worry about folks like you...they start conspiracy websites and open fire at holocaust museums... same rhetoric as the neonazis
More straw man bullshit.. WEAK and Lame Tim. Get real.
Believing the Mountain of evidence =
"they start conspiracy websites and open fire at holocaust museums... same rhetoric as the neonazi"
Your a douche bag.
You think by throwing out ad hominim crap like,( "tin foil hat", Neo Nazi, Reptillian shape shifter, koolaid drinker, paranoid") That you have made a great argument.
Well considering u started this entrie conversation with an ad hom wrapped in a straw man tactic turn about is fair play. Shaving cream is on sale at cvs to shave your head...
tbgx1, you do realize the Internet consists of way, way more than few PCs and cell phones? I mean, infrastructure-wise it took decades to build before even a rudimentary 'web' ever existed.
I get your points. Have to day though, not only do I not trust polls in general, I certainly don't trust them taken in a place like Iran. We are seeing what happens when one opposes over there.
Also, there are truths behinds why elections turn out the way they do - truths that often times the media goes to great lengths to squelch. Case in point - Bush/Gore 2000. I voted for Gore and was rabidly enraged by what happened and how he took office...until I learned the truth, a truth the media will never admit (because THEY and they alone caused the fiasco in FL). Once I learned the truth, I accepted that in reality, Bush had FL all along, Gore never did.
Sounds like he didn't really stand a chance to win. Perhaps the reason he was selected in the first place. We call if rigged, others call it voter fraud - it's all pretty much the same - actions were taken to ensure those in control got their man elected. BTW, it's not just old people who kept Bush in office over Kerry, I was 37 when I cast my vote against Kerry, that ain't old!
Also BTW, how's the N.K. situation looking to ya now? MFing missiles pointed at Hawaii, ain't that some shit?
I didn't take them too serious until the jackass recently announced that he considers the UN sanctions against N.K. as "an act of war." And since he thinks an "act of war" has been committed against his country, he also thinks he needs to defend it in a military sense...that means he's gonna draw first blood. Whose blood? Guess we'll learn soon enough...
Bingo Tim - and that's the part that alarms me the most - the fact that our defensive reaction will be hard, more violent than anything we've ever seen. UN sanctions were unanimous, if he chooses military actions in response, I've no doubt UN vote for a world response will also be unanimous. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions will die. I would not be surprised if while we're emabattled with NK, Iran starts its own shit with Israel.
The actions. Hypothetically. Would give israel an excuse to use nuclear force. Using kim as the precedent. Persia and the world as we know it will never be the same.
tbgx, usually the dipwads who find their way over here are usually at least entertaining. Your extemporaneous comments don't even serve up a chuckle.
I hope you wouldn't want to place money on that bet - Tim and I have a long history of disagreeing as much as we agree. We've had it out a few times in the past - the difference now is, we learned to disagree civilly. You certainly just love to see yourself type, don't ya?
I think we (and I include myself in this) over estimate just how much influence we have, not to mention how much we *should* have. On the surface it can seem like the answers WE come up with for others' conflicts are the best and logical ones, but it's rarely that simple.
You wouldn't believe the ridiculous drama that just erupted on twitter over people opting out of making their icons green. Good grief!
I switched mine back to normal just to protest the bullying.
" We screamed for democracy in palestine and got hamas. Go figure"
And then, true to what we always do when our s.o.b doesn't get into power, we did everything possible to undermine Hamas who had swept the elections even though Israeli had prohibited Hamas candidates from campaigning in Bethlehem and Jerusalem.
I believe that this is both, privatly founded, by a wealthy U.S. lobby which has the interest to bring some heavy capitalism with no-limits into Iran. Also the U.S. probably pays a fair ammount to promote some candidate who will do the limbo according to U.S. rulez. As I said, not necessarily a bad deal, but unfortunately highly probable. As we all know: In politics, there is no love affairs, only interests! Just logically the U.S. would be stupid not to crave for a more U.S. friendly gov't.
I think what is going on in Iran right now, is pretty much a U.S. staged and funded coup d'etat. They didn't want to attack Iran's leader in the open because military intelligence says he is a madman, so they try to use the elections to bring him down. I'm not saying that what is happening is necessarily a bad thing, but I think it is partially funded by the U.S. to bring yet another 'dicktater' down.Winston Churchill: Democracy isn't perfect, but it's the best thing we have at the moment.
lol "...intelligence says he is a madman..." No one needs an intelligence report to know he is a madman - he publicly and solidly claims there are no gay people in Iran and the Holocaust never happened. He might be right on one account - Iran doesn't have any gay people....because they are hanged in public, executed to this day, under his control...even teenagers.
Because A ) they have trouble believing a formerly progressive culture like Iran could give credence to a handful of religious nuts who proclaim fatwahs on everything from wife-beating to when it's proper to FART, and B ) um....oh.... I guess I covered both my points in " A "... meh...
not to mention even among those who may favor progressivism, sometimes that ideology is trumped by a hatred of the west. folks seem to forget that huge youth protests against the west happen regularly in iran.
why if there are ppl who u think are ugly, but they might be genius or talented in many many other ways or hardworking, why u shitty "white" ppl cant handle that. Why do u think darker skin ppl should always suffer or be the ones dying, and if someone who is darker alittle is more succesful than u, u wanna kill yourself or hurt someone.
seannouri 2 years ago
racism much?
battim 2 years ago
I don't have a problem with the idea. Anyone in the World can have genius, white, black, Asian, whatever...
mike4ty4 2 years ago
As an Iranian national.I would have voted for Ahmadinezhad myself because I see Ahmadinezhad to have more of socialist leanings, but at the same time I construe the agitation as a positive movement to loosen the clerical grip on power.
thuderbay 2 years ago
fucking bahai+jews behind terro
کو روش و پا ر سها ا ز هند به ا یر ا ن آمدند و با ما د ر و خو ا هر خو د شا ن همبستر می شد ند و به ا ین علت فا ر سها ز شت و خبیث هستند و ا یر ا ن قا بل ا صلا ح نیست چو ن کو ر و ش کثیف ا یر ا ن ر ا د ر ست کر د ه ا ست-2500 سا ل فر هنگ شا هنشا هی و بها ئی = فحا شی , تجا وز ,
Democrat2020 2 years ago
Iranians are unhappy with the government.
The fraud was a reason to explode. There
can be no doubt that the election was riiged.
70 % of population leave in cities only 30% leave in roaral areas. Assuming AhamdiNejad won by 63% is to unreal when you look at what is happening in cities.
SaeedBaba 2 years ago
Subjective reasoning is certainty that there was no foul play in the election, which you have no proof of. Unless you feel that the Ayatollah is sacrosanct proof, which is revealing. You are dealing with your opinion/agenda which is based on narrow assumption that votes were counted properly. The protests are valid and embrace a wide range of problematic gov't issues with a 'democracy' within dictatorship, and it is actually that larger picture that is of greater relevance.
MeredithWaters 2 years ago
Res Ipsa Loquitur folks. The "thing speaks for itself". When a nation's people get together and agree they did NOT vote for the 'prevailing' candidate, it calls the results into question. As to evidence of fraud, there is not exactly a court examining evidence, of course "we don't know". The early result, comm. shutdown, public reaction, gov't unwillingness to investigate: yes, that's all we have, folks, what else do we need?
MeredithWaters 2 years ago
What u need is proof. A loud minority of college students is not a plurality.
battim 2 years ago
A loud minority of people who believed lies that oil money would be deposited to their bank accounts in 1979 is what caused this problem.
What proof is there that what we have now is a "loud minority of college students"? When free speech is forbidden and communications are thwarted or shut down, surely there is a plurality of historic proportion wanting change. As with Obama, the whole world is for it.
MeredithWaters 2 years ago
You made the supposition. Yet you offer no proof. What we have are videos of educated english speaking smart phone using persians. We saw no minority groups. No unions had a strike. And as for oil that is where rafsanjanis loyalty lays....let's not forget moussavi was an unpopular president and started the nuclear program. Nothing indicates he is anything but the same as he was when he was president. There were noprotests in the poor regions. The rural regions. The small cities.
battim 2 years ago
You have made an intelligent conclusion based on what you have observed, as a US citizen who is accumstomed to perceiving events in the Middle East by what you have seen on TV or read on the internet. Respectable. However, being a dual US-Persian national, talking to people and firsthand experience, every1 I've spoken to and every1 they've spoken to all voted for Mousavi. Change has been in the air in Iran for awhile, and for good reason, a lot of it has been quiet. Unions strikes? Please.
MeredithWaters 2 years ago
Yes a strike was called for by the crowds. It was ignored. That is teeling. Ny info came from persian sources as well as arabic sources. Can u name one source that claims that the majoroty of folks voted for moussavi. None of the independant polls indicated it. In fact notihng indicates. You offered no proof. Just subjective reasoning. I source mine in the side bar
battim 2 years ago
Why was it good for it to be quiet until this point? How can you get things to happen with something quiet?
mike4ty4 2 years ago
how u count 40 million paper ballots in four hours?muasavi had bigger rallys nationwide, for any of u living in iran knows this!! we dont want noones help besides help thru protest means not militarize
jassy345 2 years ago
Iran does not have a history of election fraud. In the months leading up to the election, some 30 polls were conducted by respected polling organizations. Averaging the results, Ahmadinejad had a predicted victory by some 20%.
Ahmadinejad also has been a political leader for many years. His opposition had only been campaigning for a very short time.
Nevertheless, the writing is on the wall for the current leadership in Iran.
getplaning 2 years ago
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chrisbord 2 years ago
al gore lost tennesee. you also ignore the supreme leader comes from that hometown. you seem to only regale in half the facts. do you know how many us presidents have lost their home state? quite a few. no poll had him 2 to 1. name one. i have sourced many polls and not one have moussavi winning. academic sourcing or you lose.
battim 2 years ago
Gallup did polling there in the 2 weeks prior. Epic win.
chrisbord 2 years ago
and polls were done in iran prior, and every single independant one has moussavi losing 2 to one. referneces in side bar. love how you removed your silly comments.
battim 2 years ago
I haven't found any good news articles that went into detail about how the voter fraud investigation so I don't know what to think but I'm sure at the very most it was 55/45 I hope Obama saying he won't intervene isn't him saying essentially, "after all, I'm not Bush. Am I right?! Am I right?!". I hope it was directed towards Europe and other Countries that assume we're going to police everything. They don't like us when we do and they wonder why, almost broken hearted, why we don't intervene.
VonHOG 2 years ago
WOW 2 comments are missing!..
I've got Batman on the run. Better get your boyfriend robin to help. I should have known u were a poser when I saw that you censor thumbs up/down. Now you are removing posts that are FACT based and leaving the ones where I rant at your self delusion. hmmm.
As for..."Pointing to Bush with no proof"
I REPEAT.
Bush doing everything he can to stop the most IMPORTANT INVESTIGATION in American history IS evidence.
Stop manipulating. I check 2 c if things post..cont
tbgx1 2 years ago
I also repeat..
A mere 15mill dollars given to the 911 commission to start the investigations ONE YEAR LATER. Bush did EVERYTHING he could to stop ALL investigations; private or governmental.
45mill was spent on Bill Clintons BLOW JOB within one WEEK of the "controversy"
Keep censoring you prick.
tbgx1 2 years ago
not missing...they are taking forever to show up bro.
battim 2 years ago
I noticed that my most current and most RELEVANT post just seemed to dissappear!.. hmm. So I posted it again because SURELY you did not censor it, seeing that it had no Reptillians or name calling in it, just plain factual reporting. oooh scary!
tbgx1 2 years ago
i am sure the comment will post. i am haviong problems with it too. its stagnating at post comment, ive had to repost several comments the past few days. i have not deleted one comment, give it five minutes before you start making accusations.
battim 2 years ago
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chrisbord 2 years ago
do you have sourcing or academic studies to make a point? or do you always guess at geopolitical theories?
battim 2 years ago
Rule of Law?... LOL
"The committee has already learned that Ben Bernanke and the Federal Reserve made inappropriate threats to fire Bank of America management unless they went ahead with the 'shotgun wedding' that was the Merrill Lynch acquisition," Rep. Issa of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee
The Federal Reserve also engaged in a cover-up and deliberately hid concerns and pertinent details regarding the merger from other federal regulatory agencies," the statement said.
tbgx1 2 years ago
Also, saying that "you would enjoy arguing for OJ's innocence"
and "you would probably let Michael Jackson babysit your kid" (after all he's "not guilty") lol
is analogy humor, not straw man. I don't claim to be R. Pryor or Bill Hicks.
You are SERIOUSLY implying that I believe in Reptillians, Masons, alex jones, neo nazis, etc.
I also notice that you did not have a counter for all the down bets placed on the 911 airlines; that clearly proves thousands of people knew it was coming. hmm?
tbgx1 2 years ago
you are clearly the typical conspiracist. when you do something its intellectual and when someone else does it back you cry foul. you are a paranoid little goon who seriously has been a joy to ridicule. you are a joke. you and your new world order illuminati reptilian conspiracies. i am implying that your rhetoric is exactly the same. you have no idea what a straw man tactic or an ad hom is. why do you keep coming back? typical conspiracy nutjobs obsessed with anyone who doesnt believe.
battim 2 years ago
LOL.. still on about the Reptilles? I am beginning to think you are the one who believes in Reptillians, you are obsessed with them even AFTER I said they have no relevance.
You are the Batman! lol. I am enjoying ridiculing your ridiculous contrarian bullshit.
Notice how you never have a counter argument? Just more ad hom, Reptillian bullshit with every reply.
Stop being a PUSSY and censoring your thumbs up/down.
Your fragile Ego cannot take any resistance. Spammers? lol Paranoid much?
tbgx1 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
watch?v=uDleaY8wrOE
check out my video about the Iranian Elections
charr05 2 years ago
So I can spare you more strawman embarrassment.
1) I don't believe in Reptillians.
2) I don't listen to alex jones, his voice annoys me.
3) Masons are impotent geezers with no power.
4) "NWO" is simply humanities true nature coming to fruition . Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Power ALWAYS divides, conquers, consolidates, usurps and absorbs until competition is eliminated. If you don't get that by now you are a child. World leaders will play teams for a while.. cont.
tbgx1 2 years ago
and then the "winners" will turn on each other until there is one central power.
Also, lawyers for families of 911 victims have recently connected actual payments from Bushes Saudi Friends to the "Al qaeda operatives" and are very close to tying the same saudis to 911. Bush did everything to stop these investigations.
Thousands of down bets on the airlines just before 911 proves that thousands of people knew it was coming. But NO ONE in our government knew? LOL You're retarded.
tbgx1 2 years ago
okey dokey. lol. you dont listen to any of them but you sound just like them. its all a big conspiracy, you are right. everyone in academia is wrong and you are right. what a joke.
battim 2 years ago
i wanna have unsafe sex with battim & play with his hair. thanks and god bless
kuhkoowee 2 years ago
I happen to think that poll was very likely accurate, but even if it wasn't you have to admit it's very obvious that the political establishment and therefore the media is pushing an anti-Iranian agenda big time.
The amount of media attention that is focused on demonizing Iran and questioning the elections (with out any solid proof) is unbelievable. Oh gee I guess it's just a coincidence that they are constantly trying to portray Iran as having nuclear weapons too, sounds familiar.
jackson32 2 years ago
Saying that Bush clearly won the 2004 election is not true. The exit polls in Ohio were way off of what the vote totals were. The owner of Diebold the company that ran the electronic voting machines in Ohio said publicly that he would sway the election in favour of Bush. The whole election was untrustworthy because of electronic voting.
I'm not a liberal either I'm a libertarian, and don't buy into the fraud that is the left/right paradigm. Kerry would have been pretty much as bad.
jackson32 2 years ago
nothing in academia indicates bush lost the election in 2004. ohio taken away he still won electorally, your point?
battim 2 years ago
it doesn't matter who won that election.. they are both fanatic Iranians. musawii is not Obama like free leader of a free republic. electing ahmadinajad just showed the reality of the Iranian intentions . moreover, the man who stands behind the Iranian megalomaniac Islamic republic is Khamenni (supreme leader) ...
ramanf 2 years ago
i agree.
battim 2 years ago
Also, guess who the founder of "Forum of the Americas" is.
David Rockefeller.
Who is also founder of; The council of the Americas,
The Americas society,
The institute for international economics,
The Trilateral commission.
He was also chairman of CFR council of foreign relations.
Silly me for thinking that these facts are relevant.
I wont bore you with some great quotes from D. Rock (and other Rockafuckers) himself.
tbgx1 2 years ago
dont forget the rothchilds and the masons and the reptilians.
battim 2 years ago
*more batman strawman crap as usual.
tbgx1 2 years ago
yeah and poiting to bush as the culprit to 911 with no proof isn't strawman, you started this whole conversation with a strawman. now go shave your head and join the movement nazi.
battim 2 years ago
We support a brutal authoritarianism in Egypt that is pro israel why stop now?
J1Goro 2 years ago
No shit he lost
abydos5 2 years ago
Could'nt have taken it that personally...where's the video of you fully hydraded and speed talking....
Greensborrow210 2 years ago
lol
battim 2 years ago
i couldnt even watch a minute of it bc of your voice omg so annoying, drink some water and talk faster
bmx23 2 years ago
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bmx23 2 years ago
i take this so personally!!!!!!!!!! you look like one of those people that talk to much at a party about bull shT
bmx23 2 years ago
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bmx23 2 years ago
Guess I was wrong. I figured all these protest would provoke Iran to begin to filter the material that comes in from the net into their country...seems that some time ago Nokia Siemans Network has already set up a system to where keywords and data can be deconstructed and monitored throughout the whole country...allowing them to monitor all citizens, not even china does that, (of course they have 300 million people online, Iran only has 23 mil). So much for freedom of information...
Greensborrow210 2 years ago
Ah Greens - I replied to your earlier comment before I saw this additional one. Yes, the Iranian government has already engaged in filtering information, has even been known to completely block access to certain social websites like Facebook for a brief period of time.
Michelle5451 2 years ago
Ahmadinejad lost the election. It is simple thoses millions of people are more pssz off than anything. Ahmadinejad lost the election the election was rigged and the majority of the iranians meaning 80 per cent. They are fraudalent the government iran. George bush election was rigged and he should never have been president. He was the worst in the free world and did not represent freedom. His family were buddies with the bin laden. This is all fact
MrWorldking 2 years ago
Hello resident of Spain! For my edification, would you please explain to me (providing links to factual information from credible sources) that the election in which Bush was the victor was "rigged?" You state it's "fact" please provide your sources on that.
Michelle5451 2 years ago
can you source one academic source that claims 80 percent voted for mousavi? just one? or do you always post simplified responses to complicated issues without one source?
battim 2 years ago
Reread his comment. He didn't say Moussavi got 80%. All the rest of it was shit though. ;)
chrisbord 2 years ago
2 to 1 isnt 80 percent. one credible source that shows polling in moussavi's favor. just one please.
battim 2 years ago
He didn't say "2 to 1." But I guess he was rounding up. :)
The reporting I heard on CNN was that in the few weeks before the election there was a massive surge for Moussavi, according to the many reporters on the ground there.
Did you notice in the #s reported by the government that, in contrast with the previous 'election,' all provinces in suddenly voted very uniformly, with no regional differences? Or that 40 million votes were cast, gathered, and counted by hand in just 12 hours?
chrisbord 2 years ago
who is he? there are seven reference to the right, and the poll he speak to says it was "larger than the official results" and considering they official results were 2 to 1, there a larger margin would be what? lol. same things happened in reagans second term, you cliaming that was fixed to?
battim 2 years ago
I am an iranian.here are the facts.
1) it is pronunced eeyrrAn like India not like I ran.
2)there was no Election. they did not count any votes!!!how can they count 39 Million hand written ballots in 2 hours and declare A N the winner.
3)reformist got 75% of the vote in 1997 and 2001 and in 2005 they boycoted the election which was the main reason A N got elected.this time vast majority of people even religous ones voted for Mousav.just to defeat A N.
CYRUS2060 2 years ago
Dialect escapes folks like you. Being a citizen of a country qualifies as an expert at notihng. Its like saying a crackhead on the street in washington is an expert at american elections because he lives here. As for a refromist...what reform has there been in iran...lol. you mean mandating head dresses again or local imposition of sharia law in regions. Or would it be moussavi and rafsanjanis close ties to oil...that is refromist in yourworld? Its your supreme leader...deal or change it.
battim 2 years ago
So You can not even pronounce the name of my country and i should learn about my country from you!!!???
By the way i did not see any response to my points there.
Mousavi ties to oil?can you elaborate..
There were a lot of reforms in iran during khatami and hardliners try to close the doors and turn back the clock by shuting down news papers,well they can not and they failed and lost all their legitimacy in the eyes of the world and all iranians.
CYRUS2060 2 years ago
Right when you said you think, you should shut the fuck up....
cageynerd 2 years ago
right when you dont have the balls to put your opinion and a face to it, you should shut the fuck up.
battim 2 years ago
Unless a revolution happens, all of this just proves your point - Iran is scarier than previously thought!
capslock86 2 years ago
Not sure how the Iranians are trying to convince themselves that these protest are being encouraged by the British and U.S. governments (though i'm sure there glad for this opportunity ). But I wonder if the Iranian gov will use this has a way to censor information that comes from the West.
Greensborrow210 2 years ago
Greens, the Iranian government has been censoring information from the West loooooong before this recent election and resulting riots.
Michelle5451 2 years ago
They don't need a 'way' to do things. They are lying, and they know it. And they already censor a lot now. My guess is they'll be consulting w/ the Chinese in the near future on how to expand this exponentially. In ten years every Iranian will be convinced their genocidal government is the model of democratic perfection and all dissenters are 'troublemakers' due every conceivable cruelty.
chrisbord 2 years ago
cant deny they excuse genocide, regardless, moussavi, as president started the nuclear program and is virently anti-jewish. deal with it, regardless of who won, it would be the same.
battim 2 years ago
battim, no doubt about that. The hope is that this conflict would at least split the old power structure so that the country would be at least more capable of focusing on internal problems rather than furthering their 'revolution' everywhere else.
chrisbord 2 years ago
what does either side of that power structre, in their ideology, favors the west? nothing. its will still be pro chinese anti western policy. regardless.
battim 2 years ago
The majority in Iran won the vote. The minority started riots. Then they ask for help with their "Peaceful protests". Peaceful is not the word for these protests. It is hard to be sympathetic towards the minority from all the rioting. I do believe though that before the year is up Iran will need our help to fend off the Zionist state of Israel. They have already stated they will attack them and are preparing for such an attack. Has anyone thought why we are attacking Muslim states?
ROFLGeek 2 years ago
Wow, ROFL Geek! Never give up a chance to spout anti-semitism. The rift between sunnis and shiites is far more unstable for the Middle East than the differences, great as they are, between Arabs and Jews. You know, sometimes people just have enough after 30 years of facist religious dictatorship. I think that's what we're seeing here. Not the rioting of a leftist minority who didn't get their way.
lolamagooful 2 years ago
amen lola
battim 2 years ago
If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.
Quick who said that?
arielsandersmusic 2 years ago
churchill
battim 2 years ago
I agree, are things going to change, yeh not realy.
onemon22 2 years ago
tbgx1 2 years ago
Felix Frankfurter (u.s. Supreme court justice)
William Fulbright (u.s. senator)
Barry goldwater (senator)
Carroll Quigley (GU professor)
David Rockefeller (Trilateral Commission founder)
They all speak of the coming world government aka NWO
Henry Kissinger
Strobe Talbott (us dep. Sec. of state)
Arthur Schlesinger (us historian)
tbgx1 2 years ago
All those peole did not speak of a one world government...conspiracists have taken there words out of context. Some of these folks have been dead for a century...so where is this one world government? It doesn't exist and it was not their intent...we had two world wars that would have given them the opportunity and it never happened....out of context rubbish. Oogie boogie the world ministry of illuminati coming to get ya....a hiundred years later...lol. oh my your paranoia
battim 2 years ago
"oh my your paranoid" .."haven't used that term (NWO) in 20yrs"
The International Economic Forum of the Americas is having their conference here in Montreal from June 8 to June 11. It is entitled... Drum roll please
"ADAPTING TO A NEW WORLD ORDER".
Fukin BURN. You need to keep up.
tbgx1 2 years ago
*had
tbgx1 2 years ago
a new world order, you make it sound as if those words only have some conspiratorial meaning you moron. lol. of course, every time powers fall and things realign there is a new world order, its doesnt mean one world government you twit
battim 2 years ago
Hey Asshole, you said that no one says that term anymore.
I proved you wrong on a grand scale, so go fuck yourself shithead.
tbgx1 2 years ago
I almost forgot Tony Blair. So suck on it.
tbgx1 2 years ago
There are more private contractors in our "Military" than there are soldiers, you idiot.
You already admitted that you are being contrarian. So your arguments are shitty and dishonest.
I should have known when I saw your page that this was some form of "schtick" entertainment. Yawn.
tbgx1 2 years ago
I admit I am contrarian when it comes to medials agenda...its called skepticism based on reasonbut in your world its all a nwo plot...I know
battim 2 years ago
Um no, It's called "I have my own TV show, so I need to think of way's to get attention and be provocative".
tbgx1 2 years ago
Well considering academia agree with me and provacateurs like alex jone agree with you. Keep aligning yourself with the far right....then you can shave your head and have the sequel to american history x penned after your life story...ill buy a ticket
battim 2 years ago
what the hell ever dude!!!!!!!!!!!
seecretgemz 2 years ago
Btw Batim.. Im sure I don't have to tell you that the Federal Reserve is a private corporation.
Then again, they don't have much influence anyway, so I guess my point is moot.. LOL
tbgx1 2 years ago
Yeah oj is a new world order guy. He is illuminati so they let him go. He is part of the 911 plot so they needed him...right conspiracy boy, or maybe he was a reptilian
battim 2 years ago
Battim.. You and Michelle like to call people out for making assumptions then you both make about 4 or 5 each about me.
And I am supposed to take you seriously?
Talk about seeing what you want to see.
tbgx1 2 years ago
Litmus test time;
Did O.J. simpson kill his wife?
*Remember, you were not there, so you can not be 100% sure. lol
tbgx1 2 years ago
I can say with 100% certainty that OJ did not kill his wife. It was his ex-wife that was murdered.
Michelle5451 2 years ago
Michelle... Good answer!
Johnny L Cochran Jr. would be proud.
tbgx1 2 years ago
Hoesntly I saw very little of the trial. So as I said in this vlog/..ten time...we don't know..u can pretend to know things like the religous...don't make it real. Bottom line is you don't belive any government is legit anyway...would it matter if moussavi won in your twisted little delusion of the world. Litmus test time...if there is no legitimate authority...why do u eveb care?
battim 2 years ago
Tim, I saw most of the trial (considering I lived in Los Angeles and well, worked for LAPD), but pay no mind to folks like tbgx here...the system actually worked in that case. Did he do it? Maybe or even probably...but our system mandates a jury to find a defendant "not guilty" when reasonable doubt is present, and as much as people like tbgx might refuse to see it - reasonable doubt was indeed present and the jury did it's job. And just WTF are we talking about this anyway? LOL
Michelle5451 2 years ago
Oh, yes, reasonable doubt!
"If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!".. Totally reasonable!
tbgx1 2 years ago
Aside from the glove thing (which you've pointed out three times already, get some new material) there were plenty of other factors and other evidence that absolutely created reasonable doubt. I happen to think the glove wasn't part of the reasonable doubt - of course they didn't fit, they'd been blood-soaked, liquid shrinks leather, duh. You don't have much in the way of critical thinking skills, do ya?
Michelle5451 2 years ago
Mich...The glove thing 3 times huh? Wrong. Try again. So much for YOUR powers of observation and your critical thinking skills..lol
"of course they didn't fit, they'd been blood-soaked, liquid shrinks leather, duh. Um.. That was my point. Duh.
Oh yeah, one of the many police officers involved in the case had been known to use the "N" word.. LOL NOT GUILTY!
"He lives in hollywood".. More great detective work. You should return to LAPD. Do You believe everything you read?
tbgx1 2 years ago
lol you actually went back and counted? I took a guess because an exact number wasn't all that important. Guessing a wrong number has no relation to critical thinking skills. Sorry I missed your point; it's a little deluded and all over the board, hard to get a read on where you're coming from considering you're not interested in being consistent and concise, but rather wanna argue just for the sake of arguing.
Michelle5451 2 years ago
Furman using the N word had no bearing on the evidence of the case, it only proved he's a racist. Furman's impact on the trial was incredibly minimal. I don't believe everything I read in the media, but I absolutely take people at their word until they give me reason not to. You have Hollywood listed as where you live, I took you at your word, are you now disclosing to us that you're a liar?
Michelle5451 2 years ago
Say, I bet you think the officers who were acquitted for beating Rodney King were guilty, is that correct? Litmus test time, let's see if you believe all that you read. :-)
Michelle5451 2 years ago
mich..Guilty of what exactly?
I thought it was legal for cops to beat on citizens if they felt like it?..oops, I mean "if their life is in danger".. lol.. am I wrong?
tbgx1 2 years ago
lol Obviously you aren't interested in an intelligent conversation on the matter. Again, you just wanna argue just to argue and do so by tossing out ridiculous statements. I'm not taking the bait kiddo, I'm a tad smarter than you seem to think. Have a good one tb, I easily grow bored with your kind.
Michelle5451 2 years ago
Sorry, If I could take your "arguements" seriously, I would.
You know like your claim that hollywood is "a cesspool of starving artists, hookers, drug addicts - just a step or two up from ghetto."
Is that what you mean by "intelligent conversation".. LOL
You would be shocked to know how much it costs to live a "step or two up from the Ghetto".
Anymore intelligent assumptions?
tbgx1 2 years ago
M..No, stating a wrong # show's that you CREATED what you wanted to see(as Tim likes to say) not what was there. Same with ur HW and RAGM comment.
Furman no bearing?
He was the excuse used to dismiss the fact that OJ had the VICTIMS BLOOD all over the inside of his bronco, on his shoe,his gloves,his socks, in his house.lol
But because furman used N word, that means he planted all that evidence. Gathered blood from the crime scene and smeared it all over Oj's stuff when no one was looking LOL
tbgx1 2 years ago
You really are a testy little delusional one aren't you. Crying about an election in a system you claim sint legit. Walking contradiction anyone?
battim 2 years ago
More assumptions from the Wizzard of Batland?
Who's crying? I see what I see, no tears here. Any more assumptions mr. science?
tbgx1 2 years ago
Because counter cultuire boy seems to think he knows how the workd works. He whines and pontificates against the system that affords him the very lifestyle he lives that he can sit on his ass and play on the internet.
battim 2 years ago
Tim, plenty of his type all over SoCal and they never cease to amuse me. He lives in Hollywood (the real city actually being VERY different from the one people have glamorized in their heads) - it's a cesspool of starving artists, hookers, drug addicts - just a step or two up from ghetto. Totally loaded with rage against the machine mindsets.
Michelle5451 2 years ago
Afraid the american media doesn't share your point of view. There trying to sell outrage on the images of "peaceful" protesters being beaten by men in black uniform with the word "police" on the back (thought you said they were milithia). I'm sure the American gov would prefer that it's people have another reason to dislike Iran...may come in handy in the future.
Greensborrow210 2 years ago
Nice try.
I imagine you to be someone who would enjoy arguing for the innocence of O.J. Simpson.
"If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!" lol
tbgx1 2 years ago
The only thing funny abour your statement is you seem to think it matters who won. As if making a silly straw man comparison to oj means a thinf. Substance is not your stronmg point. Name one legitimate government that is questioning the results. Even media agrees that he did probably win. But live in a fantasy world believing there is a diffeerence between the candidates. The imans have and will rule iran. No president did or will will the revolutioary guard exists. Silly people
battim 2 years ago
"seem" is the operative word. "matters"?..To who?
It certainly matters to the Iranian people.
"Name one legitimate government that is questioning the results".. lol
Yes, name one legitimate government, period.
lol.. Your so brilliant you have outsmarted your own common sense. You like to analyze the trees. Someday you should decide to climb one and take a look at the forrest, the panorama is breathtaking.
tbgx1 2 years ago
Well genius. U apparently don't understand what legitimate entails. It mean legal and there is not one recognized legal government that agrees with you. Consesnus is how science works. Looking over the trees to s ee ehat u want and not what actually is is called superstition.
battim 2 years ago
"Legal".. lol
You say that as if it means something. Legal is a term used by people without any power.
tbgx1 2 years ago
It does mean something. Denying thayt is denying empiricism. Rule of law is effectiove...even if u wanna play rebel bad guy you sit on the internet that is a product of said system. I love listening to wanna be counterculture folkd who live under the protection and liberty of the very government they whine about
battim 2 years ago
"Rule of law is effective".. lol
Tell that to Palestine and Israel on behalf of the world court!
Laws are for people who don't count. Power does what it wants.
"protection and liberty of the very government they whine about"... lol Say's the wizzard of OZ as my protection and liberty become less and less with each passing "legal" administration.
Surely you jest?
tbgx1 2 years ago
Laws are for everyone.. its why we have orderly traffic and standards in technology. Its why we have labor protections and why rapists are murderers are in prison. You are living in oz if you think thst for a second without the liberites the government. That is. The people afford you the ability to do so. Such entitled little words from a person who again sits on the internet that without a legitimate government. Wouldn't exist
battim 2 years ago
Nice try.
Many people living in the lawless ghettos of brazil and elsewhere have internet and computers,(and tv, dvd, cell phone etc.) so your point is moot.
"Rapists and murders in prison".. Only the ones without power. O.J, case in point. Just enough power to squeek by on that first round of criminal behavior. 2ond round, no power... jail.
Try again OZ.
tbgx1 2 years ago
Oh contrare. The law od the jungle is still the law. But genius again...the internet regardless of where it is. Is still a product of the government. It was invented for and vy them. There are many kingpins with power in jail or dead. Ask hoffa and capone.. what a vapid excuse for humanity you are
battim 2 years ago
Try again.. The internet is a product of corporations, as is government. If you think the military indrustry is there to serve the government? lol
"many kingpins"
What you meant to say is that their power kept them OUT of Jail for many years, and when their power waned, or better yet, someone with MORE power wanted them in jail; usually for personal reasons.. to jail they went.
Any more wisdom OZ?
tbgx1 2 years ago
New world order conspiracies are your idea of injtelligence....so when u used words like that its moot
battim 2 years ago
lol.. That's why so many leaders in the western world use the term.
Wake up dip shit. "Reptillian" ? Your so full of straw men and baseless assumptions. You're like Fox News, your arguments suck and you take yourself waaay too seriously.
Now piss off, so I don't have to come back here.
tbgx1 2 years ago
Lol. You are a moron who doesn't get context. When the soviet union fell the was a new order. Its wasn't a proper noun you morn. Noone has used that term in 20 years...except alex jones and rush limbaugh and others of the far right paranoid delusional bend. I hope you have
battim 2 years ago
FAIL... Bill Clinton, Henry Kissinger, Sarkosky, George bush 1 and 2, Dick Cheney, Regan, Ron Paul.. on and on. In spoken word and written Document. Many leaders are now talking world currency.
Now Fuck yourself and your Propaganda. You're the kind of asshole who questions everything except his own Opinion.
Now If I say FUCK YOUR MOTHER, she's a stinky whore.. Will you stop inviting me back to your page?
Or do you just love the attention TV boy?
tbgx1 2 years ago
Oh now I get it...all this to pick on mom. Dad stop posting on my videos again. Lol. China spoke of a currency and the world giggled...I supoose yoll ignore russia. The usa and the eu mocking the idea...
battim 2 years ago
The internet was invented by the military you moron. Lol. And capone was illuminati reptilian new world order right conspiracy boy? You are fun....really. they have medication for paranoid delusions. Look out put on your tin foil cap..lol
battim 2 years ago
The Military is a corporation, you moron. Keep your stupidity to yourself so I don't have to listen to it. Fuck, you're like Rush Limpdick.
tbgx1 2 years ago
Lol. Is it an s corp or an llc? Lol. So the president is the ceo? So therefore if the head of state is the head of this corp in your delusional world therefore the government invented it...even in your delusional logic
battim 2 years ago
If I want any more of your crap, I'll watch TV. Thanks for the propaganda.
tbgx1 2 years ago
Yeah because alex jones illumnati conspiracies are real and not proganda by any means....even if they borrow soviet rhetoric on a regular basis...lol. I seriously worry about folks like you...they start conspiracy websites and open fire at holocaust museums... same rhetoric as the neonazis
battim 2 years ago
More straw man bullshit.. WEAK and Lame Tim. Get real.
Believing the Mountain of evidence =
"they start conspiracy websites and open fire at holocaust museums... same rhetoric as the neonazi"
Your a douche bag.
You think by throwing out ad hominim crap like,( "tin foil hat", Neo Nazi, Reptillian shape shifter, koolaid drinker, paranoid") That you have made a great argument.
Get a clue Gilligan.
tbgx1 2 years ago
Well considering u started this entrie conversation with an ad hom wrapped in a straw man tactic turn about is fair play. Shaving cream is on sale at cvs to shave your head...
battim 2 years ago
tbgx1, you do realize the Internet consists of way, way more than few PCs and cell phones? I mean, infrastructure-wise it took decades to build before even a rudimentary 'web' ever existed.
Try again idiot.
chrisbord 2 years ago
chris
Um, no shit. Your point?
tbgx1 2 years ago
I get your points. Have to day though, not only do I not trust polls in general, I certainly don't trust them taken in a place like Iran. We are seeing what happens when one opposes over there.
Michelle5451 2 years ago
Also, there are truths behinds why elections turn out the way they do - truths that often times the media goes to great lengths to squelch. Case in point - Bush/Gore 2000. I voted for Gore and was rabidly enraged by what happened and how he took office...until I learned the truth, a truth the media will never admit (because THEY and they alone caused the fiasco in FL). Once I learned the truth, I accepted that in reality, Bush had FL all along, Gore never did.
Michelle5451 2 years ago
Moussavi wasn't opposition. He was hand selected by the imans. He is no different than imadouchbag
battim 2 years ago
Sounds like he didn't really stand a chance to win. Perhaps the reason he was selected in the first place. We call if rigged, others call it voter fraud - it's all pretty much the same - actions were taken to ensure those in control got their man elected. BTW, it's not just old people who kept Bush in office over Kerry, I was 37 when I cast my vote against Kerry, that ain't old!
Also BTW, how's the N.K. situation looking to ya now? MFing missiles pointed at Hawaii, ain't that some shit?
Michelle5451 2 years ago
Its looking like there ain't much we can do without seeing south korea and parts of japan turn into an ashtray
battim 2 years ago
I didn't take them too serious until the jackass recently announced that he considers the UN sanctions against N.K. as "an act of war." And since he thinks an "act of war" has been committed against his country, he also thinks he needs to defend it in a military sense...that means he's gonna draw first blood. Whose blood? Guess we'll learn soon enough...
Michelle5451 2 years ago
And when kim does...if he does...we will have to strike hard and fast...and maybe more violently than anything mankind has ever seen
battim 2 years ago
Bingo Tim - and that's the part that alarms me the most - the fact that our defensive reaction will be hard, more violent than anything we've ever seen. UN sanctions were unanimous, if he chooses military actions in response, I've no doubt UN vote for a world response will also be unanimous. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions will die. I would not be surprised if while we're emabattled with NK, Iran starts its own shit with Israel.
Michelle5451 2 years ago
The actions. Hypothetically. Would give israel an excuse to use nuclear force. Using kim as the precedent. Persia and the world as we know it will never be the same.
battim 2 years ago
"Bingo Tim".. Lol. You two make a cute couple. Seriously. Your both decent looking and on the same side of the illusion. I bet you would never argue!
Sorry for interrupting. Don't mind me, It must be all the hookers and drugs that I can't get enough of. Now I'll crank my RATM!!
tbgx1 2 years ago
tbgx, usually the dipwads who find their way over here are usually at least entertaining. Your extemporaneous comments don't even serve up a chuckle.
I hope you wouldn't want to place money on that bet - Tim and I have a long history of disagreeing as much as we agree. We've had it out a few times in the past - the difference now is, we learned to disagree civilly. You certainly just love to see yourself type, don't ya?
Michelle5451 2 years ago
wtf is ur FB... message me...
ps, fucking flashback thanks to the color scheme of this vid, thanks!
thork86 2 years ago
I confess that when it comes to Iranian politics, I AM one of those folks who doesn't fully get how it works. So commentary like this is helpful.
Trying to reserve my opinion here but it's SO difficult.
:-)
OhCurt 2 years ago
Yes. Hoping for the best doesn't mean it works out. We screamed for democracy in palestine and got hamas. Go figure
battim 2 years ago
I think we (and I include myself in this) over estimate just how much influence we have, not to mention how much we *should* have. On the surface it can seem like the answers WE come up with for others' conflicts are the best and logical ones, but it's rarely that simple.
You wouldn't believe the ridiculous drama that just erupted on twitter over people opting out of making their icons green. Good grief!
I switched mine back to normal just to protest the bullying.
Have I used up all 500 charact
OhCurt 2 years ago
" We screamed for democracy in palestine and got hamas. Go figure"
And then, true to what we always do when our s.o.b doesn't get into power, we did everything possible to undermine Hamas who had swept the elections even though Israeli had prohibited Hamas candidates from campaigning in Bethlehem and Jerusalem.
fctchk 2 years ago
I believe that this is both, privatly founded, by a wealthy U.S. lobby which has the interest to bring some heavy capitalism with no-limits into Iran. Also the U.S. probably pays a fair ammount to promote some candidate who will do the limbo according to U.S. rulez. As I said, not necessarily a bad deal, but unfortunately highly probable. As we all know: In politics, there is no love affairs, only interests! Just logically the U.S. would be stupid not to crave for a more U.S. friendly gov't.
tomthemd 2 years ago
self interest indeed, and the usa and iran have so many geopolitical goals in common in the region. for certain.
battim 2 years ago
you're cute. are your balls real pink? do they have blonde hairs on them? thanks
kuhkoowee 2 years ago
no and no
battim 2 years ago
I think what is going on in Iran right now, is pretty much a U.S. staged and funded coup d'etat. They didn't want to attack Iran's leader in the open because military intelligence says he is a madman, so they try to use the elections to bring him down. I'm not saying that what is happening is necessarily a bad thing, but I think it is partially funded by the U.S. to bring yet another 'dicktater' down.Winston Churchill: Democracy isn't perfect, but it's the best thing we have at the moment.
tomthemd 2 years ago
publically funded or privately funded? there is a wealthy persian population in the states...
battim 2 years ago
lol "...intelligence says he is a madman..." No one needs an intelligence report to know he is a madman - he publicly and solidly claims there are no gay people in Iran and the Holocaust never happened. He might be right on one account - Iran doesn't have any gay people....because they are hanged in public, executed to this day, under his control...even teenagers.
Michelle5451 2 years ago
why are folks so shocked the majority of iran advocates the mullahs?
yefknha 2 years ago
Because A ) they have trouble believing a formerly progressive culture like Iran could give credence to a handful of religious nuts who proclaim fatwahs on everything from wife-beating to when it's proper to FART, and B ) um....oh.... I guess I covered both my points in " A "... meh...
TheMercilessEye 2 years ago
not to mention even among those who may favor progressivism, sometimes that ideology is trumped by a hatred of the west. folks seem to forget that huge youth protests against the west happen regularly in iran.
battim 2 years ago