@headhunterforlogic We have proof that has not been retouched in any manner.
You are a hypocrite. Jesus hates hypocrites. You continually post on our page and yet, when we try to post on yours, it is "pending approval". It never receives that approval. That makes you a hypocrite. Obviously, Jesus hates you.
You have now been informed (although we realize that you do not have the capacity to be informed).
@Swordsage - His wife left him several months ago. When he started becoming a major misogynist who feels women are not the equal of men. After she left him, he went a little mad making video after video attacking women. Thus, it begat this video. You have now been informed.
@MaliceOfChristAgain Yes, I believe I have been. Thank you. This was probably inevitable though, after that agonizing exchange I had with him about marriage a while back, and how his religion pretty much relegates women to subservient positions. I guess his ex wife figured that out herself... that, and that he isn't exactly a pleasant person to deal with, something most of us already know.
@Swordsage It's not even the truth, but if you're foolish enough to think your video was proof women are subserviant (which 3 people debunked it) then you would be foolish enough to fall for a video that gived no evidence.
Krazie316 is MARRIED it's on his page. There are several Married M.R.A.'s they're not mysogynists
@headhunterforlogic well, considering that I've only seen two people say he (or well, YOU) and the wife are separated, I'll say that it's hearsay for now. But as for three people debunking my video? Please. They're so called debunking was a rather pathetic attempt, seen by anyone who can just read the texts I presented on the subject without trying to twist it.
Oh, and if you're not liking people thinking you're really Krazie316, don't give them reason to think so... like knowing my videos.
@MaliceOfChristAgain ok, took some hunting, but I just found his Facebook page. Interestingly enough, it doesn't say divorced... but it doesn't say married either. And I notice under his list of family there's a woman there who doesn't have a title saying who she is... you see a father, mother, brothers, uncles, aunts... but then just this one woman with no title. Probably the wife... and if they're happily married, shouldn't she have the wife label?
@Swordsage - We have a screenshot that was taken when it said divorced (from yesterday). Maybe he changed it after commenting on this video under one his troll names. However, we still have the screen shot and would happily post it if it wasn't against YouTube's terms of service (using a person's real name). Andre has a tendency to flag down our channel at every chance he gets. He hates the truth and refuses to be informed!
@MaliceOfChristAgain I was suspecting he changed it as soon as this video came out... it's not as if he hasn't done similar editing before on his channel. But it's still very telling that "married" isn't on the Facebook page, and there's this one woman under his "family" grouping with no title at all.
Again, if it is true that he is married, all he has to do is ask his wife to show up for a couple of seconds and say she's still with him. But I'm sure we can guess that's not going to happen.
@Swordsage I recall Krazie asking you to prove he changed his profile page and you failed to deliver. This is because he never did change it when you accused him of doing so.
Facebook allows you to keep certain things private thusly you cannot see who his wife is but you may view his posts.
I would really love to see evidence from you people but you never provide it for your accusations, it's pathetic and childish. Grow up
@headhunterforlogic Look Krazie, you know that the only way to be able to prove a profile change is to take a screenshot of an old page. Since I'm not head hunting for you, I'm not going to be taking such pics. So of course I wouldn't have proof of it, and you know it, so you can go around acting like you're on top. But it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I'll admit I have no proof, but I remember what I read, and really, that's good enough for me.
@Swordsage There was already a video by another troll that took a screen shot of Krazie's profile a long time ago shows the relationship status has always been set to private. It never said divorced because he's not.
/watch?v=FQ86SryJKps at the 15th second and beyond.
@Swordsage No where's your excuse you have an old video by an outsider but I bet you'll still put on a facade.
Again I'm not krazie and you don't know what you read because the profile never had an anti-homosexual message such as they should all die. you're a liar straight up and you can't even have the decency to back what you say with evidence. It's really sat you're nothing but a troll like malice because of that
@headhunterforlogic Actually, the thing I noticed in his profile was something that could have been seen disparaging black black women. I never said he had something on his page that said homosexuals should die. In fact, I'm one of the few people on YouTube who never sided with the idea that he said homosexuals should die. I've never seen him say that in a video. I may not like the guy, but I'm not going to accuse him of something I didn't hear.
@Swordsage What he said about black women and men is still there to this day It simply says "I can't stand men that don't wanna grow up and take care of business, especially ones that screw around and run away from the babies and mothers they just made.
I can't stand silly women that open their legs to men and try to Abort when they get pregnant. You spread em, now you take care of the kid.
@Swordsage Then at the end it said "To sum it up, I like when people just do their job and take responsibility for their actions especially us blacks, we need to move forward, not back."
@headhunterforlogic Yes, that was always there. but there was some harsher statements that used to be there, that aren't there anymore. Not that it really matters. Again, it's just my single word against his (or yours). but with what he's been supposedly saying about women these days, does it matter what I remember anymore? It's all there in the videos now, just to all women in general.
@Swordsage There was never anything else there the only changes that have been made in fact recently were only additions but the original content has not been removed or modified.
Krazie, like all M.R.A.'s, are addressing feminism and a group of women, not all women. Therefore you're assumption still fails
@headhunterforlogic saying he and otehr MRA's are just addressing feminism and a group of women underlies the female hatred, as those women are considered a problem because they want to be seen as equals. True, you have your idiots, but they don't make up the majority of these women, and never have.
Again. all this is distracting from the main reason why were are here: THIS VIDEO. Arguing with me and trying to discredit me feels good I'm sure, but it's not solving your problem here.
@Swordsage No with that flawed logic you can say Oprah and most black women have a hatred for black men because they continually throw them under the bus. This is a gross misrepresentation of logic.
How do you explain female M.R.A.'s like Christy0misty and many more that speak against feminism? Try harder swordsage
@headhunterforlogic How can I explain away female MRA's? Seriously? you've never seen people actively speak out against their own group before because of cultural upbringing and/or indoctrination? Hell, I've had baptist women on my doorstep argue with me that the wife IS supposed to be subservient at home.
I also find it interesting that example of flawed logic you used is pretty much the same arguments Krazie and other MRA people seem to make in regards to feminists.
@Swordsage There's no flawed logic in pointing out the many female M.R.A.'s that have the same message we have.
You have no proof of misogyny only a biased want for there to be misogyny.
Fact is the Men's right's advocated advocate true equality which means holding women accountable for their actions as well as men. because presently they're not not in court, not at work, nowhere
@headhunterforlogic That's funny, because that's not what I've observed in real life.
At work, I've seen plenty of women held accountable for their actions. Check out the health profession sometime, and see how many NA's and RN's get fired.
In court, you'd be amazed how many divorces actually end AMICABLY, without the preconceived notion of the male being forced to give half And while I will admit this crap can go on, what about issues of rape in court? How many of those are prosecuted?
@Swordsage What about the issue of false rape allegations? We could go on endlessly about this stuff but there's not enough time and it's K's department more than mine anyway
@headhunterforlogic Oh yes, there is all that crap about false rape accusations, and yes, they can do a whole lot of damage to a guy. it's why I am careful what I say to women. But believe it or not, few of them actually stand up in court. Statistically, it is more probably that the guy will beat the charge than a woman actually winning in court, ESPECIALLY if it can't be proven that she didn't consent.
@Swordsage As far as the accusations of divorce (which you fell for) You have no proof, Malice has no proof, I do because I have a direct connection and I proved it was never modified with an external source from months ago.
There's no where anybody can go from there without posting direct screen capture of it and the only way that can be done is by photoshopping it. Because by your own word today it doesn't even mention a relationship status, this is further backed by the video refrence
@headhunterforlogic You never presented any real proof. Real proof would be showing him presently married happily with his wife, say, like in a recent video or something, which I say again, would blow all of this out of the water. All you did was essentially say "hey, it doesn't say they aren't married". Yeah, but on his own Facebook page, it doesn't say that he is, to a woman who share the same last name. That's odd, no matter how much you want to wave that away as "privacy settings".
@Swordsage I can't show proof of him with his wife if he wants her not to be seen in the first place. Krazie has received death threats and the like as many other black conservatives and Christians have.
machosauceproduction has never showed his wife either not on facebook, not youtube. You probably wouldn't know anything about that because it's your side doing the threats.
The evidence I've given is far more solid than an accusation with no evidence
@headhunterforlogic If he is receiving death threats (which is just plain foul), then why have a Facebook page saying where he lives, where he works, and who his family members are? How is that protecting his wife?? Once again, this makes no sense.
Let me throw you a bone here: I WILL say that the burden of proof is on folks saying he is separated/divorced from his wife. That's obvious. But your own statements have made things a lot more doubtful that he is with her. Too much makes no sense.
@Swordsage Actually he already said several times what city he lives in across multiple videos. There' no actual housing address in that info. the work related info serves no threat because it's a gated distribution center you have to have a badge just to get in the gate let alone into the building. From what I remember from dropping him off with my sister when i visited.
@headhunterforlogic Again, I have to scratch my head here... if you are saying there is nothing to worry about regarding someone coming to get him, then why does his wife need extra privacy protecting on Facebook in order to save her from being attacked by some nut sending death threats??
Also, I hate to tell you this, but if someone knows the general location that you live in, as well as your name, they can find you. It's not hard. I'm not saying this to scare you, just letting you know.
@Swordsage So no one knows what she looks like. none of those family members are even close to where he lives. He gave out that city a long time ago so there's nothing you can do to take that back
@headhunterforlogic No one knows what she looks like.... save for that "mysterious" woman on his Facebook page. The one that you originally hinted at was here, but then later on said was a sister. *shrugs*
Still, even without a picture of her, they have a picture of HIM. With his real name. Even just those two elements alone, that's enough to find somebody if they really want to. And simply removing "married" on his Facebook page isn't enough to keep her from being harmed if they live together.
@Swordsage Nobody is supposed to know what she looks like if she's meant to be mysterious. The other girl is our older sister, the eldest of us.
Everyone knows Andre's real name already it was and still is on his youtube profile. Furthermore he has videos with his face, there's no point in trying to hide it
I can't really make you see the truth without showing it fully, no. But I can present evidence for the fact the relationship status has always been private, enough to disprove this video
@headhunterforlogic I would completely buy that she's your sister if it said sister under her name, like it says for other sisters. it doesn't. That casts doubt on your claim. Surely you can see this.
Look, I'm happily married, so it says "married" on my own Facebook page. If I wanted to protect my wife by not having her associated with my name, I'd not have her listed on my family list, but it would STILL say married on my profile without saying to whom. See why I say this makes no sense?
@Swordsage It doesn't say it on my page either, because her name is too long. it takes up the line where sister would be. if that's your source of skepticism, they you're going off of something that nobody but her has control over.
You can set your profile anyway you like, that's just not the way he set it up evidently. he stated several times in his videos he's married, he even has a video of him discussing different things with his wife on his page titled "My subservient wife" to mock you
@headhunterforlogic Oh come on... that video was made back in 2009; that hardly counts as proof. What about a video made recently?
Also, I just realized something. There's a certain order that names are listed in Facebook, and the spouse is usually way up at the top. The woman in question isn't placed there, so she can't be the wife. Point to you: must be a sister (or other relative). However, that still makes one wonder about the lack of the "married" status. The speculation continues.
@Swordsage Actually the video where the troll screen captured his profile was taken this year, not in 2009 /watch?v=FQ86SryJKps says Apr 23, 2011 Malice has always been a liar and always will, but it's up to you to fall for it or not. K exposed malice for false DMCAing one of his videos as well with his email address. The atheist Lazyintellectual4 will back Krazies claims about the evidence against malice.
@headhunterforlogic The video in 2009 that I'm talking about was the subservient wife one, not the troll one. Either you're attempting misdirection, or you have problems with reading comprehension, since I was clearly responding to you bringing up the subservient wife video.
@Swordsage You weren't clearly responding at all, you didn't specify what video you were responding about. There are a ton of comments here. 2 different video links posted.
@headhunterforlogic Look at the statement you made that I responded to concerning the video... you only mention one video in that statement, which is the subservient wife one. Again, this should be clear. That this wasn't clear to you actually solves a mystery for me, and I feel I have to chalk this up as a learning experience.
@Swordsage I read the whole letter, you're simply excluding what you don't like to make it fit your argument. All you're going to do is respond with the same rebuttal "no it isn't" lol. pointless.
@headhunterforlogic - WE HAVE PROOF! We understand, Andre, that you do not have the capacity to be informed. We also realize that you are trying to goad us into uploading your facebook page so that you can, once again, flag down our channel and, once again, stifle the truth (a word you have no concept of), but we will not play your game. Krazie316 currently does not have a wife. If he has a wife in the future, it will be his 2nd marriage after divorcing his 1st wife.
@headhunterforlogic yeah Krazie, I wonder who she could be... yet despite the same last name SHE IS NOT LISTED AS YOUR WIFE! And even though you claim to be married on your profile page on YouTube, it's not the same of Facebook because of privacy reasons? That doesn't begin to make sense; if you're going to say that on one public page why not the other?
Oh, and you accuse me of being fake, but you use a fake name?? Seriously?
Just have have her say on video this is crap, and I'll believe you.
@Swordsage I am not Krazie number 1, number 2 I talking about what is listed on Krazie's profile page as a non-friend. On facebook it will also list the wife's (or girlfriend of it's just a non-marriage) profile therefore if you have everything open but the relationship private so people can't screw with whoever it is you're in a relationship with. On youtube you can simply say you're married without a link to the person's profile.
I'm not krazie nor am I married I can't have anyone say it.
@headhunterforlogic for someone who isn't krazie316 you sure know a lot about my history with him (which was years ago), as well as post in a style similar to his. so I find your saying otherwise very hard to believe. It's either him or his brother. You guys have done this before.
Also, if the privacy settings on Facebook are keeping the relationship private, then why is she listed under the family grouping? Shouldn't she be listed as just a friend, or not at all to keep her private?
@Swordsage I'm one of the ones that made 1 of the videos against yours on a different channel so yeah I know a lot.
Let me let you in on a bit of info since I've already taken you all the way around the world. That is our sister not his wife. and that is me in the picture with her ;-)
@headhunterforlogic this is hilarious. first you try to get me to believe it's the wife in the picture. now you're saying 'hey look, that's our sister", and then play that off as if you're getting over on me mentally. All this does is further cement the fact that you guys have something to hide... LIKE KAZIE315'S MARITAL STATUS.
What's even funnier that you're arguing with ME about it. I'm not the one who put up this video, or the other one I saw. Shouldn't you be arguing with them?
@Swordsage Oh no you don't, I never said that was his wife and never hinted it was. I said from gate the settings are private so nobody could see her. You made the unfouded baseless assertion, don't try to put it on me.
@headhunterforlogic Oh, and by the way, my point was never that women are supposed to be subservient to men, but rather that Christian dogma stipulates that. If you're going to disagree with something, make certain you actually know what's being said. Just a tip.
Actually, here's a more useful tip you can pass on to Krazie316 (heh...). If he's getting tired of people spreading unfounded rumors about his wife leaving him, just have her tell people to shut up in a new video. Problem solved.
@Swordsage No my point was that you claim the bible says women are supposed to be subserviant however this is not true and your video on this has further been debunked by 3 other people. ove video that came out before you made the ridiculous claims.
@headhunterforlogic Again, those videos did not debunk mine. To debunk something mean to come up with a counter argument that completely disproves anothers statements. Those videos failed to do so, and instead were fantastic examples of twisted logic, and misdirection. Notice that all I did was simply show the words in the text, while you and others had to come with with wild excuses for them. That's not debunking, even if you're deluding yourself to think so.
@Swordsage Those videos severely debunked yours, being in denial doesn't equalte to not being wrong. All three of those videos disproved what you said. Including the vid on the Dreamshade4ever channel.
@headhunterforlogic Because of the character limit and lack of time I can't show you just how insane this is, but let's go over a few pointers:
-saying that a wife isn't subservient because she is cherished above the husbands life is silly when you think of children. Children are not on an equal status to parents, yet parents will sacrifice their lives for them.
-Pauls views on women in church are abundantly clear; he never said women in other churches were fine.
@Swordsage There's no point in arguing something that has already been won. The best video against yours was reallt the one by that other kat I can't remember his name.
Just a pointer about Paul. he was writting a letter to Timpothy about a specific church where women were jumping up disrupting the service and trying to usurp authority over the men.
Please do more research on the matter of the history of these events
@headhunterforlogic I did. No documents suggest that paul's letter to Timothy was just for that specific church, and the wording doesn't even say "these women in this church", but just women period. Plus, when you look at one of Peter's letters, you get the same attitude. Even today's marriage vows reflect the attitude of women obeying men, and there's even recent video of a pastor from a baptist church supporting the idea. This is prevalent in Christianity. Sorry.
@Swordsage No you didn't and you didn't reference any in those video either. It doesn't need to say these women in this church because it was a direct letter to Timothy about the chaos in the Greek church. You're trying to play with semantics it ain't workin. I belive Krazie and the other guy even wen't into the concordance (which you did not) and further proved you wrong with the original meaning of the words over what is written in English.
@headhunterforlogic No, the semantics playing is being done by you and the so called debunkers. again, THE TEXT IS CLEAR. it says, plainly, that women aren't even to be heard in churches. It DOESN'T separate one church from another. This, and other things he said about the relationship of women to men, and husands and wives, goes along with the belief that men are to lead, and women are to follow. It's right there on the pages, no twisting by me needed whatsoever.
@Swordsage No I'm not playing with semantics I'm telling the historical fact as it is. We brought references and the concordance, you brought not reference and simply said a preacher told me...lol
You say I bring up no references, and yet in three videos I have links to the verses in the bible for people read for themselves and come to their own conclusions.
You say all I said was that a preacher told me, yet I spent all that time explaining the flaws in your logic, as well as the verses, and only brought up the priest because AFTER you guys starting coming I wanted to make certain I wasn't crazy in my argument.
@Swordsage You referenced a verse with an opinion of it's meaning. With that anyone can come to whatever conclusion they want to their biases content. but when you add historical references and concordances with the original Greek and Hebrew meaning the opposition is toast. WE know what we're talking about, we live the life and walk it. you read about it.
@headhunterforlogic Yes, I've read and studied it as an objective student, and NOT a blind believing convert. That's why I can present the words in the text the way you and other believers refuse to. Again, I'm not twisting anything, nor putting opinion into it. I simply repeated texts and statements that were right there on the page for anyone to read, and YES, I know the original contexts. You're not the only one with more than one translation.
@Swordsage We don't refuse to do anything other than corrupting the text. You added opinion with your presentation of scripture. Opinions that are not even there in fact. We gave the versus, the versus before and after, the external references, and the concordance. you can't argue with a concordance, lol that's like arguing against the fact that 2+2=4
@headhunterforlogic ... yes, except that I'm the one saying 2+2=4. You guys are going "wait wait, not really you see, if you take this and this and this into account..."
you want context (which I did give in those videos; they're not rated highly for no reason)? How about the fact that the cultures that followed this religion also have had their wives regulated to subservient roles? If I was going to go with your reasoning, I should see more female priests, and more female heads of houses.
@Swordsage You wouldn't be the equivalent of saying 2+2=4 you're the one arguing against it. You can't argue against a concordance, it's that simple.
ratings are not a sign of truth, they are a sign of popularity. lol that was a terrible source of evidence for truth. most to all Christians that make videos against atheists have poorly rated videos part in fact because he majority of Christians don't rate and some don't even know how to. However atheists make their living by rating videos
@headhunterforlogic I don't have that many fans for my ratings being a source for living. Sheesh.
And I have to shake my head at you insisting that I'm arguing the texts from a very straightforward perspective. None of my videos show me going through hoops and trying to explain why the clear cut statements of women not being leaders, or wives having to obey their husbands don't mean what they sound like. Nor have you guys explained the inequality of genders in religious cultures. It's amazing.
It's not about going through hoops, it's about solidifying it to the point you can't really respond unless you're in serious denial.
There are a handful of deep scripture study Christians on youtube including ChristianTruthHammer that have made similar debunks in the same fashion because some people have to be taken there...all the way.
@headhunterforlogic Honestly, you don't have to "take me all the way there". All you have to do is show me the following: - Any time Paul (and Peter) stated that women CAN be leaders in churches, and wives CAN be the heads of their households. - Any examples of Christian tradition consistently putting women in leadership roles, with biblical verses supporting such a thing. - Any examples of men being told to follow women like the Church following Christ.
Yes, the letter IS about doing away with religious inequality... but it was about the abolition of religious inequality between different cultures of people, and not about GENDER inequality. Yes, it does say all are equal in God's eyes... and that was in regards to following His ways and receiving his blessings. Again, nothing to do with gender relations. And it STILL doesn't jive with what Paul DID say about gender relations.
@headhunterforlogic I didn't exclude anything. I'm pointing out that's not the context in which that statement was said. Hell, I'll prove it. If there is no male or female, we are all one in Christ, then doesn't that mean that all this hullabaloo about gays being married is meaningless, since we;re all the same to God? ;)
Again, read the WHOLE letter. This is about ALL being worthy under God's eyes, and all being equally deserving of his blessings, NOT about gender relations.
@Swordsage With that response said, it brings me back to the point I made in my video about yours, you modify versus to fit what you want it to say. Thre;s really no point in arguing with you directly over it because you'll continue to do it. All I know is I personally know 3 videos that have debunked it. and there are several more articled doing that on the internet, let alone a concordance which cannot be argued against. And other videos on the subject we haven't even brought up....
@Swordsage ...I know I won't change your mind i doubt if Christ himself came down and told you in person you would change. So on that note, I'll be making productive use of my time. But I have all the sources I need to make my point.
@headhunterforlogic No, answer my question, don't run away. If we are all the same to god, then isn't it meaningless to complain about homosexual marriage?
@headhunterforlogic ... and you STILL haven't shown me examples of Christianity putting women in leadership roles, such as part of the priesthood, or the heads of their households. *shrugs*
@headhunterforlogic To be properly informed, one only has to look at his facebook status which says "divorced". If you were truly his brother, you would know this!
@MaliceOfChristAgain There's no such status under the profile as relationship status is set to private so that his wife is not visible to trolls like you.
What a poorly made video, furthermore Krazie316 is married not separated nor divorced. Actually apply facts instead of your own silly unfounded baseless assertions
I'll be waiting for your photoshopped screenshot. if it were true you would have already posted it. it's a fallacy therefore you have lied.
Someone already screenshotted his facebook profile long ago and there's was no such status because it has always been set to private.
That video lies here /watch?v=FQ86SryJKps at the 15th second and beyond.
You lose
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic We have proof that has not been retouched in any manner.
You are a hypocrite. Jesus hates hypocrites. You continually post on our page and yet, when we try to post on yours, it is "pending approval". It never receives that approval. That makes you a hypocrite. Obviously, Jesus hates you.
You have now been informed (although we realize that you do not have the capacity to be informed).
MaliceOfChristAgain 7 months ago
@MaliceOfChristAgain I'm not krazie and you have no proof. when you make a claim you need to back it up. Failure to do si eliminates your claim.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
Wait, what? When did that happen?
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage - His wife left him several months ago. When he started becoming a major misogynist who feels women are not the equal of men. After she left him, he went a little mad making video after video attacking women. Thus, it begat this video. You have now been informed.
MaliceOfChristAgain 7 months ago
@MaliceOfChristAgain Yes, I believe I have been. Thank you. This was probably inevitable though, after that agonizing exchange I had with him about marriage a while back, and how his religion pretty much relegates women to subservient positions. I guess his ex wife figured that out herself... that, and that he isn't exactly a pleasant person to deal with, something most of us already know.
How did you find this out?
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage It's not even the truth, but if you're foolish enough to think your video was proof women are subserviant (which 3 people debunked it) then you would be foolish enough to fall for a video that gived no evidence.
Krazie316 is MARRIED it's on his page. There are several Married M.R.A.'s they're not mysogynists
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic gives
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic well, considering that I've only seen two people say he (or well, YOU) and the wife are separated, I'll say that it's hearsay for now. But as for three people debunking my video? Please. They're so called debunking was a rather pathetic attempt, seen by anyone who can just read the texts I presented on the subject without trying to twist it.
Oh, and if you're not liking people thinking you're really Krazie316, don't give them reason to think so... like knowing my videos.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage - To be properly informed, one only has to look at his facebook status which says "divorced".
MaliceOfChristAgain 7 months ago
@MaliceOfChristAgain ok, took some hunting, but I just found his Facebook page. Interestingly enough, it doesn't say divorced... but it doesn't say married either. And I notice under his list of family there's a woman there who doesn't have a title saying who she is... you see a father, mother, brothers, uncles, aunts... but then just this one woman with no title. Probably the wife... and if they're happily married, shouldn't she have the wife label?
Point goes to MaliceOfChrist.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage - We have a screenshot that was taken when it said divorced (from yesterday). Maybe he changed it after commenting on this video under one his troll names. However, we still have the screen shot and would happily post it if it wasn't against YouTube's terms of service (using a person's real name). Andre has a tendency to flag down our channel at every chance he gets. He hates the truth and refuses to be informed!
MaliceOfChristAgain 7 months ago
@MaliceOfChristAgain I was suspecting he changed it as soon as this video came out... it's not as if he hasn't done similar editing before on his channel. But it's still very telling that "married" isn't on the Facebook page, and there's this one woman under his "family" grouping with no title at all.
Again, if it is true that he is married, all he has to do is ask his wife to show up for a couple of seconds and say she's still with him. But I'm sure we can guess that's not going to happen.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage I recall Krazie asking you to prove he changed his profile page and you failed to deliver. This is because he never did change it when you accused him of doing so.
Facebook allows you to keep certain things private thusly you cannot see who his wife is but you may view his posts.
I would really love to see evidence from you people but you never provide it for your accusations, it's pathetic and childish. Grow up
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic Look Krazie, you know that the only way to be able to prove a profile change is to take a screenshot of an old page. Since I'm not head hunting for you, I'm not going to be taking such pics. So of course I wouldn't have proof of it, and you know it, so you can go around acting like you're on top. But it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I'll admit I have no proof, but I remember what I read, and really, that's good enough for me.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage There was already a video by another troll that took a screen shot of Krazie's profile a long time ago shows the relationship status has always been set to private. It never said divorced because he's not.
/watch?v=FQ86SryJKps at the 15th second and beyond.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@Swordsage No where's your excuse you have an old video by an outsider but I bet you'll still put on a facade.
Again I'm not krazie and you don't know what you read because the profile never had an anti-homosexual message such as they should all die. you're a liar straight up and you can't even have the decency to back what you say with evidence. It's really sat you're nothing but a troll like malice because of that
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic Actually, the thing I noticed in his profile was something that could have been seen disparaging black black women. I never said he had something on his page that said homosexuals should die. In fact, I'm one of the few people on YouTube who never sided with the idea that he said homosexuals should die. I've never seen him say that in a video. I may not like the guy, but I'm not going to accuse him of something I didn't hear.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage What he said about black women and men is still there to this day It simply says "I can't stand men that don't wanna grow up and take care of business, especially ones that screw around and run away from the babies and mothers they just made.
I can't stand silly women that open their legs to men and try to Abort when they get pregnant. You spread em, now you take care of the kid.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@Swordsage Then at the end it said "To sum it up, I like when people just do their job and take responsibility for their actions especially us blacks, we need to move forward, not back."
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic Yes, that was always there. but there was some harsher statements that used to be there, that aren't there anymore. Not that it really matters. Again, it's just my single word against his (or yours). but with what he's been supposedly saying about women these days, does it matter what I remember anymore? It's all there in the videos now, just to all women in general.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage There was never anything else there the only changes that have been made in fact recently were only additions but the original content has not been removed or modified.
Krazie, like all M.R.A.'s, are addressing feminism and a group of women, not all women. Therefore you're assumption still fails
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic saying he and otehr MRA's are just addressing feminism and a group of women underlies the female hatred, as those women are considered a problem because they want to be seen as equals. True, you have your idiots, but they don't make up the majority of these women, and never have.
Again. all this is distracting from the main reason why were are here: THIS VIDEO. Arguing with me and trying to discredit me feels good I'm sure, but it's not solving your problem here.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage No with that flawed logic you can say Oprah and most black women have a hatred for black men because they continually throw them under the bus. This is a gross misrepresentation of logic.
How do you explain female M.R.A.'s like Christy0misty and many more that speak against feminism? Try harder swordsage
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic How can I explain away female MRA's? Seriously? you've never seen people actively speak out against their own group before because of cultural upbringing and/or indoctrination? Hell, I've had baptist women on my doorstep argue with me that the wife IS supposed to be subservient at home.
I also find it interesting that example of flawed logic you used is pretty much the same arguments Krazie and other MRA people seem to make in regards to feminists.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage There's no flawed logic in pointing out the many female M.R.A.'s that have the same message we have.
You have no proof of misogyny only a biased want for there to be misogyny.
Fact is the Men's right's advocated advocate true equality which means holding women accountable for their actions as well as men. because presently they're not not in court, not at work, nowhere
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic That's funny, because that's not what I've observed in real life.
At work, I've seen plenty of women held accountable for their actions. Check out the health profession sometime, and see how many NA's and RN's get fired.
In court, you'd be amazed how many divorces actually end AMICABLY, without the preconceived notion of the male being forced to give half And while I will admit this crap can go on, what about issues of rape in court? How many of those are prosecuted?
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage What about the issue of false rape allegations? We could go on endlessly about this stuff but there's not enough time and it's K's department more than mine anyway
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic Oh yes, there is all that crap about false rape accusations, and yes, they can do a whole lot of damage to a guy. it's why I am careful what I say to women. But believe it or not, few of them actually stand up in court. Statistically, it is more probably that the guy will beat the charge than a woman actually winning in court, ESPECIALLY if it can't be proven that she didn't consent.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage I would love to see that statistic because user manwomanmyth already challenged it. Also Angry Harry did as well.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic here are two links you may find interesting, since it shuts up scaremongering on both sides:
fullfact(dot)org/blog/rape_conviction%20rate_six_percent_cameron_ken_clarke-2712
musc(dot)edu/vawprevention/research/sa.shtml
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage As far as the accusations of divorce (which you fell for) You have no proof, Malice has no proof, I do because I have a direct connection and I proved it was never modified with an external source from months ago.
There's no where anybody can go from there without posting direct screen capture of it and the only way that can be done is by photoshopping it. Because by your own word today it doesn't even mention a relationship status, this is further backed by the video refrence
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic You never presented any real proof. Real proof would be showing him presently married happily with his wife, say, like in a recent video or something, which I say again, would blow all of this out of the water. All you did was essentially say "hey, it doesn't say they aren't married". Yeah, but on his own Facebook page, it doesn't say that he is, to a woman who share the same last name. That's odd, no matter how much you want to wave that away as "privacy settings".
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage I can't show proof of him with his wife if he wants her not to be seen in the first place. Krazie has received death threats and the like as many other black conservatives and Christians have.
machosauceproduction has never showed his wife either not on facebook, not youtube. You probably wouldn't know anything about that because it's your side doing the threats.
The evidence I've given is far more solid than an accusation with no evidence
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic If he is receiving death threats (which is just plain foul), then why have a Facebook page saying where he lives, where he works, and who his family members are? How is that protecting his wife?? Once again, this makes no sense.
Let me throw you a bone here: I WILL say that the burden of proof is on folks saying he is separated/divorced from his wife. That's obvious. But your own statements have made things a lot more doubtful that he is with her. Too much makes no sense.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage Actually he already said several times what city he lives in across multiple videos. There' no actual housing address in that info. the work related info serves no threat because it's a gated distribution center you have to have a badge just to get in the gate let alone into the building. From what I remember from dropping him off with my sister when i visited.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic Again, I have to scratch my head here... if you are saying there is nothing to worry about regarding someone coming to get him, then why does his wife need extra privacy protecting on Facebook in order to save her from being attacked by some nut sending death threats??
Also, I hate to tell you this, but if someone knows the general location that you live in, as well as your name, they can find you. It's not hard. I'm not saying this to scare you, just letting you know.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage So no one knows what she looks like. none of those family members are even close to where he lives. He gave out that city a long time ago so there's nothing you can do to take that back
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic No one knows what she looks like.... save for that "mysterious" woman on his Facebook page. The one that you originally hinted at was here, but then later on said was a sister. *shrugs*
Still, even without a picture of her, they have a picture of HIM. With his real name. Even just those two elements alone, that's enough to find somebody if they really want to. And simply removing "married" on his Facebook page isn't enough to keep her from being harmed if they live together.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage Nobody is supposed to know what she looks like if she's meant to be mysterious. The other girl is our older sister, the eldest of us.
Everyone knows Andre's real name already it was and still is on his youtube profile. Furthermore he has videos with his face, there's no point in trying to hide it
I can't really make you see the truth without showing it fully, no. But I can present evidence for the fact the relationship status has always been private, enough to disprove this video
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic I would completely buy that she's your sister if it said sister under her name, like it says for other sisters. it doesn't. That casts doubt on your claim. Surely you can see this.
Look, I'm happily married, so it says "married" on my own Facebook page. If I wanted to protect my wife by not having her associated with my name, I'd not have her listed on my family list, but it would STILL say married on my profile without saying to whom. See why I say this makes no sense?
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage It doesn't say it on my page either, because her name is too long. it takes up the line where sister would be. if that's your source of skepticism, they you're going off of something that nobody but her has control over.
You can set your profile anyway you like, that's just not the way he set it up evidently. he stated several times in his videos he's married, he even has a video of him discussing different things with his wife on his page titled "My subservient wife" to mock you
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic Oh come on... that video was made back in 2009; that hardly counts as proof. What about a video made recently?
Also, I just realized something. There's a certain order that names are listed in Facebook, and the spouse is usually way up at the top. The woman in question isn't placed there, so she can't be the wife. Point to you: must be a sister (or other relative). However, that still makes one wonder about the lack of the "married" status. The speculation continues.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage Actually the video where the troll screen captured his profile was taken this year, not in 2009 /watch?v=FQ86SryJKps says Apr 23, 2011 Malice has always been a liar and always will, but it's up to you to fall for it or not. K exposed malice for false DMCAing one of his videos as well with his email address. The atheist Lazyintellectual4 will back Krazies claims about the evidence against malice.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic The video in 2009 that I'm talking about was the subservient wife one, not the troll one. Either you're attempting misdirection, or you have problems with reading comprehension, since I was clearly responding to you bringing up the subservient wife video.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage You weren't clearly responding at all, you didn't specify what video you were responding about. There are a ton of comments here. 2 different video links posted.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic Look at the statement you made that I responded to concerning the video... you only mention one video in that statement, which is the subservient wife one. Again, this should be clear. That this wasn't clear to you actually solves a mystery for me, and I feel I have to chalk this up as a learning experience.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage I read the whole letter, you're simply excluding what you don't like to make it fit your argument. All you're going to do is respond with the same rebuttal "no it isn't" lol. pointless.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@Swordsage Other than that the profile is open via posts so that others that are not friends may posts on topics listed
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic - WE HAVE PROOF! We understand, Andre, that you do not have the capacity to be informed. We also realize that you are trying to goad us into uploading your facebook page so that you can, once again, flag down our channel and, once again, stifle the truth (a word you have no concept of), but we will not play your game. Krazie316 currently does not have a wife. If he has a wife in the future, it will be his 2nd marriage after divorcing his 1st wife.
MaliceOfChristAgain 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic YOU HAVE NOW BEEN INFORMED (whether you like it or not).
MaliceOfChristAgain 7 months ago
@Swordsage I see one female with no title, interestingly enough her last name is BERRY like his. Hmm I wonder who that could be....
You're such fake swordsage
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic yeah Krazie, I wonder who she could be... yet despite the same last name SHE IS NOT LISTED AS YOUR WIFE! And even though you claim to be married on your profile page on YouTube, it's not the same of Facebook because of privacy reasons? That doesn't begin to make sense; if you're going to say that on one public page why not the other?
Oh, and you accuse me of being fake, but you use a fake name?? Seriously?
Just have have her say on video this is crap, and I'll believe you.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage I am not Krazie number 1, number 2 I talking about what is listed on Krazie's profile page as a non-friend. On facebook it will also list the wife's (or girlfriend of it's just a non-marriage) profile therefore if you have everything open but the relationship private so people can't screw with whoever it is you're in a relationship with. On youtube you can simply say you're married without a link to the person's profile.
I'm not krazie nor am I married I can't have anyone say it.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic for someone who isn't krazie316 you sure know a lot about my history with him (which was years ago), as well as post in a style similar to his. so I find your saying otherwise very hard to believe. It's either him or his brother. You guys have done this before.
Also, if the privacy settings on Facebook are keeping the relationship private, then why is she listed under the family grouping? Shouldn't she be listed as just a friend, or not at all to keep her private?
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage I'm one of the ones that made 1 of the videos against yours on a different channel so yeah I know a lot.
Let me let you in on a bit of info since I've already taken you all the way around the world. That is our sister not his wife. and that is me in the picture with her ;-)
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic this is hilarious. first you try to get me to believe it's the wife in the picture. now you're saying 'hey look, that's our sister", and then play that off as if you're getting over on me mentally. All this does is further cement the fact that you guys have something to hide... LIKE KAZIE315'S MARITAL STATUS.
What's even funnier that you're arguing with ME about it. I'm not the one who put up this video, or the other one I saw. Shouldn't you be arguing with them?
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage Oh no you don't, I never said that was his wife and never hinted it was. I said from gate the settings are private so nobody could see her. You made the unfouded baseless assertion, don't try to put it on me.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic "I see one female with no title, interestingly enough her last name is BERRY like his. Hmm I wonder who that could be...."
Your words, not mine.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic Oh, and by the way, my point was never that women are supposed to be subservient to men, but rather that Christian dogma stipulates that. If you're going to disagree with something, make certain you actually know what's being said. Just a tip.
Actually, here's a more useful tip you can pass on to Krazie316 (heh...). If he's getting tired of people spreading unfounded rumors about his wife leaving him, just have her tell people to shut up in a new video. Problem solved.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage No my point was that you claim the bible says women are supposed to be subserviant however this is not true and your video on this has further been debunked by 3 other people. ove video that came out before you made the ridiculous claims.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic Again, those videos did not debunk mine. To debunk something mean to come up with a counter argument that completely disproves anothers statements. Those videos failed to do so, and instead were fantastic examples of twisted logic, and misdirection. Notice that all I did was simply show the words in the text, while you and others had to come with with wild excuses for them. That's not debunking, even if you're deluding yourself to think so.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage Those videos severely debunked yours, being in denial doesn't equalte to not being wrong. All three of those videos disproved what you said. Including the vid on the Dreamshade4ever channel.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic Because of the character limit and lack of time I can't show you just how insane this is, but let's go over a few pointers:
-saying that a wife isn't subservient because she is cherished above the husbands life is silly when you think of children. Children are not on an equal status to parents, yet parents will sacrifice their lives for them.
-Pauls views on women in church are abundantly clear; he never said women in other churches were fine.
-you accept female priests?
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage There's no point in arguing something that has already been won. The best video against yours was reallt the one by that other kat I can't remember his name.
Just a pointer about Paul. he was writting a letter to Timpothy about a specific church where women were jumping up disrupting the service and trying to usurp authority over the men.
Please do more research on the matter of the history of these events
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic I mean Timothy
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic I did. No documents suggest that paul's letter to Timothy was just for that specific church, and the wording doesn't even say "these women in this church", but just women period. Plus, when you look at one of Peter's letters, you get the same attitude. Even today's marriage vows reflect the attitude of women obeying men, and there's even recent video of a pastor from a baptist church supporting the idea. This is prevalent in Christianity. Sorry.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage No you didn't and you didn't reference any in those video either. It doesn't need to say these women in this church because it was a direct letter to Timothy about the chaos in the Greek church. You're trying to play with semantics it ain't workin. I belive Krazie and the other guy even wen't into the concordance (which you did not) and further proved you wrong with the original meaning of the words over what is written in English.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic No, the semantics playing is being done by you and the so called debunkers. again, THE TEXT IS CLEAR. it says, plainly, that women aren't even to be heard in churches. It DOESN'T separate one church from another. This, and other things he said about the relationship of women to men, and husands and wives, goes along with the belief that men are to lead, and women are to follow. It's right there on the pages, no twisting by me needed whatsoever.
And all this is a distraction.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage No I'm not playing with semantics I'm telling the historical fact as it is. We brought references and the concordance, you brought not reference and simply said a preacher told me...lol
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic Wow, talk about twisting and oversimplifying...
You say I bring up no references, and yet in three videos I have links to the verses in the bible for people read for themselves and come to their own conclusions.
You say all I said was that a preacher told me, yet I spent all that time explaining the flaws in your logic, as well as the verses, and only brought up the priest because AFTER you guys starting coming I wanted to make certain I wasn't crazy in my argument.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage You referenced a verse with an opinion of it's meaning. With that anyone can come to whatever conclusion they want to their biases content. but when you add historical references and concordances with the original Greek and Hebrew meaning the opposition is toast. WE know what we're talking about, we live the life and walk it. you read about it.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic Yes, I've read and studied it as an objective student, and NOT a blind believing convert. That's why I can present the words in the text the way you and other believers refuse to. Again, I'm not twisting anything, nor putting opinion into it. I simply repeated texts and statements that were right there on the page for anyone to read, and YES, I know the original contexts. You're not the only one with more than one translation.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage We don't refuse to do anything other than corrupting the text. You added opinion with your presentation of scripture. Opinions that are not even there in fact. We gave the versus, the versus before and after, the external references, and the concordance. you can't argue with a concordance, lol that's like arguing against the fact that 2+2=4
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic ... yes, except that I'm the one saying 2+2=4. You guys are going "wait wait, not really you see, if you take this and this and this into account..."
you want context (which I did give in those videos; they're not rated highly for no reason)? How about the fact that the cultures that followed this religion also have had their wives regulated to subservient roles? If I was going to go with your reasoning, I should see more female priests, and more female heads of houses.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage You wouldn't be the equivalent of saying 2+2=4 you're the one arguing against it. You can't argue against a concordance, it's that simple.
ratings are not a sign of truth, they are a sign of popularity. lol that was a terrible source of evidence for truth. most to all Christians that make videos against atheists have poorly rated videos part in fact because he majority of Christians don't rate and some don't even know how to. However atheists make their living by rating videos
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic I don't have that many fans for my ratings being a source for living. Sheesh.
And I have to shake my head at you insisting that I'm arguing the texts from a very straightforward perspective. None of my videos show me going through hoops and trying to explain why the clear cut statements of women not being leaders, or wives having to obey their husbands don't mean what they sound like. Nor have you guys explained the inequality of genders in religious cultures. It's amazing.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage It wasn't literal, calm down.
It's not about going through hoops, it's about solidifying it to the point you can't really respond unless you're in serious denial.
There are a handful of deep scripture study Christians on youtube including ChristianTruthHammer that have made similar debunks in the same fashion because some people have to be taken there...all the way.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic Honestly, you don't have to "take me all the way there". All you have to do is show me the following: - Any time Paul (and Peter) stated that women CAN be leaders in churches, and wives CAN be the heads of their households. - Any examples of Christian tradition consistently putting women in leadership roles, with biblical verses supporting such a thing. - Any examples of men being told to follow women like the Church following Christ.
You do that, and I'll concede.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage That evidence was given on 2 of K's responses to your videos one verse being that Gal. verse 3:28
about the abolition of their religious inequality.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic I was wondering when you'd bring up Gal 3:28. :)
Yes, the letter IS about doing away with religious inequality... but it was about the abolition of religious inequality between different cultures of people, and not about GENDER inequality. Yes, it does say all are equal in God's eyes... and that was in regards to following His ways and receiving his blessings. Again, nothing to do with gender relations. And it STILL doesn't jive with what Paul DID say about gender relations.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage No it was also about gender inequalities as well, you can't exclude a portion of the verse to fit your own will, lol
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic I didn't exclude anything. I'm pointing out that's not the context in which that statement was said. Hell, I'll prove it. If there is no male or female, we are all one in Christ, then doesn't that mean that all this hullabaloo about gays being married is meaningless, since we;re all the same to God? ;)
Again, read the WHOLE letter. This is about ALL being worthy under God's eyes, and all being equally deserving of his blessings, NOT about gender relations.
Swordsage 7 months ago
@Swordsage With that response said, it brings me back to the point I made in my video about yours, you modify versus to fit what you want it to say. Thre;s really no point in arguing with you directly over it because you'll continue to do it. All I know is I personally know 3 videos that have debunked it. and there are several more articled doing that on the internet, let alone a concordance which cannot be argued against. And other videos on the subject we haven't even brought up....
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@Swordsage ...I know I won't change your mind i doubt if Christ himself came down and told you in person you would change. So on that note, I'll be making productive use of my time. But I have all the sources I need to make my point.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic No, answer my question, don't run away. If we are all the same to god, then isn't it meaningless to complain about homosexual marriage?
Swordsage 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic ... and you STILL haven't shown me examples of Christianity putting women in leadership roles, such as part of the priesthood, or the heads of their households. *shrugs*
Swordsage 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic To be properly informed, one only has to look at his facebook status which says "divorced". If you were truly his brother, you would know this!
You have now been informed, AGAIN!
MaliceOfChristAgain 7 months ago
@MaliceOfChristAgain There's no such status under the profile as relationship status is set to private so that his wife is not visible to trolls like you.
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
What a poorly made video, furthermore Krazie316 is married not separated nor divorced. Actually apply facts instead of your own silly unfounded baseless assertions
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago
@headhunterforlogic - Thank you Krazie316, or Krazie316's brother (whoever you claim to be this time) for your seriously misinformed opinion.
Krazie316's wife left him. Fact!
You have now been informed AGAIN!
MaliceOfChristAgain 7 months ago
@MaliceOfChristAgain Please provide us with the evidence of your fallacy, I bet you can't do this impossible task
headhunterforlogic 7 months ago