Exploring Fischer's Openings #4: K.Indian Defence vs Q.Pawn

[08Mryuvraj]

OOHsum !

[MoPar7055]

When white released the tension in the center by capturing with the pawn why didn't Fischer recapture with his light squared bishop and develop a piece in the process?

[rossschcheese]

we arent exploring his openings, were exploring his defence

[TheDansutube]

thank u, i struggle vs d4, next time i will try this and maybe even get back to you,

[jozan9]

And thanks for flying with American Airlines

[favoredsongs]

After ...h6, fxe5 and dxe5, Taimanov still has his Knight under attack and therefore plays c5???? What sense does that make... You could have explained that, from this point on you stopped analyzing the moves and just hurried over them for a while. I will give you neither a thumbs up or a thumbs down, but I'm not very impressed...

[koolaidking123]

nice

[MilitaryMan006]

This violates so much principles:

Don't move a piece more than once in the opening

Don't move the 3 pawns in front of a castled king.

Yet Fischer is a Grandmaster clearly these principles are rubbish they lead beginners such as myself astray

[slowdream101]

I still don understand how to play the game

[iBishopEsquire]

Yeah, I don't get why Fischer didn't take the knight when White's rook landed on the c3 square. I know I would of. Great video though.

[aLeonDegiuamelle]

@iBishopEsquire when he takes the knight Bc4 follows pinning the knight and making the defence with Be6 impossible because of the rook

[Electromusicaus]

Much appreciated. Keep it up!

[facebookfriendfounde]

very nice video.excellent!!!

[Akshayphadke]

Man I love u

[Norbert66676667]

Why didn't Fischer take the Night on g5 whet Taimonovs Rook landed on c6??

[factualfilms]

why does he not take the knight before it retreats?

[ubanare]

@factualfilms

From memory I think white's bishop was defending the knight, so if the pawn captured it would be unprotected, and black's "tension" and control of the centre would be broken, as now white's bishop has an open attack line.

[jkbell2088]

@factualfilms If he did, white could move D-5 to D-6 with a discovered check on black's king and attacking the kight at E-7

[MoPar7055]

that's incredible on fischer's part

[Rhidgeback]

Jrobi, your observation and explanation of the openings and the game as a whole is helping me have a better understanding of what to do and what not to do, and to really think before one moves a piece, keep up the awesome work!! And thanks again.

[KaTieZCrAZyCasTZ]

Hey. My name's Katie, I'm 16 and I play chess regularly when I can since I was around 8 so I'd say I'm middle intermediate and pretty good at it but these videos helped so much. When I was looking at the pawn and the knight I was wondering why that wasn't captured but I found out the advantages black received in the long run. Your openings and explinations helps tremendously and I thank you for posting these videos up! =)

[AZJANGJAY747]

Jrobi THE ONLY THING THAT TAKES AWAY FROM YOUR GRATE PRESENTATION IS WHEN YOU RUN OUT OF BREATH, YOU SWALLOW-TAKE A BREATH, AND THEN YOU SMACK YOUR LIPS BEFORE YOU CONTINUE. THE MORE EXCITED YOU BECOME, THE MORE YOU DO THESE THINGS, BUT OTHERWISE I LOVE WHAT YOU ARE DOING. PEACE. Jangjay

[100winners]

cool chess leasons. i'll beat my dad with theese!

[rsh102]

Why Fischer no take knight on G5??? and how did it end???

[rsh102]

Why doesn't Fischer take knight on G5???

[STEVo2614]

What about move whites move 6. Nf3 - would g3 be a good move - could fianchetto or even Bh3 as a future move which would also put another one of white's pieces closer to where Fischer was trying to instigate the action?

I really like how Fisher maintains his minor pieces early in the game - It seems like he never gets a minor piece in-front of his central pawn structure (center meaning where he wants the action) and uses the minor pieces to bait the other players into attacking

[ytun97531]

Interesting game... but at the point you stopped, it still looks very winnable/drawable for white - did Taimanov blunder ? or did Fischer's position give him the edge? ... or both?

[HolyHolcomb]

What are some other defensive moves for black to counter the Queen's pawn opening by white? This is a great defense for Bobby Fischer, but I would be terrified to dismantle my castle position as part of my offensive strategy.

[itiller69]

thanks a lot im ur fan

[GarzaHector9]

at 1:29 white could play f3 and that becomes samish

[TheRocker1414]

Hey Jrobi, I am a new subscriber having just found you in one of my recommended videos. I wish I would have found you years ago :) Your analyses are very well organized, and you are a brilliant tactician, seeing much of what the grandmasters see. Let me be the voice of all of your fans when I say thank you so much for what you do :) Do you play at chess ( dot ) com or similar sites?

[gtamateur]

hum... this isnt consider has the main system than white use. most nearly every time white go in bayonnet attack with b4 and c5

[jrobichess]

Fischer had some fun with this one. Thanks for checking it out!

[MrJackanthony]

@jrobichess Hey, utter beginner here and I thank you so much eos. What do you call it when black moves queen's pawn to D4 in response to a king's pawn opening? Do you have a video?

[HerrFickt]

Dude, you are doing awesome work, I definetly own you.

[sunlion55]

the bishop movement was very helpful thx

[FlamingLion116]

The threat is stronger than the execution indeed, it impedes your opponents movement.

Always make sure your enemies have something you can take from them.

[vietmaste12]

threat is stronger than the execution!

[Aleneden]

Thanks, I understand what should do with the King's Indian attack and defense....thanks you've really help my game lately!

[ArseneLupin2009]

I agree with StratChess.

Your explanation are excellent. And one more important thing, you speak clearly and the sound quality is pretty good, which I appreciate.

[StratChess]

Hey, Jrobi, your videos are the best ones I have seen on youtube. They are very well explained and are very deep also. it would be very good if you do one on King's Indian Defense covering the main variations.

[jrobichess]

Thanks Strat!

[facebookfriendfounde]

very nice video.

[nefiurki]

i want to see the end of this match , someone knows where i could see it ?

[lasmachas]

on a GM level game what is the time frame per move and for the overall game?

[adamjew36]

Can anybody explain to me why white wouldn't capture Fischer's strong pawn push to e5 at 2:24??? Jrobi says it's because it could lead to a queen exchange with white's uncastled king, however white's queen is also defended by the light square bishop and a knight, so the exchange wouldnt effect the uncastled king.

can somebody please explain?

[SeanGGodley]

Hi Adam - there's a few reasons why this pawn isn't taken by white (it's still well within the book lines). After dxe5 ... dxe5 there is no Nxe5 for white because of Nxe4!, discovering an attack on the knight at e5. So, after black plays dxe5 if Qxd8 then Rxd8 and black has strong control of the only open file, and what's more a juicy outpost at d4 which is relatively easy to get a knight to. It's best either to castle or play d5 immediately, the Petrosian variation. Hope this helps!

Sean

[lasmachas]

hello, when I read books on openings or chess books in general (i am a beginner) one thing that is strongly emphasized is to NOT move the pawns protecting the castle king, only if need be, most likely in the end game, but here fisher "put them to work" and exchanged them earlier in the game, exposing his castle king. Is this something frequently done? I know fisher "The King" can do whatever he wants but isn't this risky? or technically incorrect? I'm confused, any thoughts anyone?

[SeanGGodley]

Hi. Yes this idea with moving the kingside pawns (especially playing f5) is standard in the King's Indian Defence. It's not as dangerous as usual because the centre pawns are locked together and on the contrary black can often generate a crushing attack using them in combination with pieces. I recommend learning this opening if you are a beginner, it's hugely dynamic and lots of fun - no wonder Fischer, Kasparov et al used it to great effect. All the best,

Sean

[sourdiezel0916]

wow, these guys are brilliant, normally, i just try to go equal piece for equal piece and outplay them at the end, but it seems like they think ahead about five moves each turn.

[dougpoon]

hehe 5 moves? try the whole game, or at least a substantial amount ahead, probably at least 10 moves each.

[conodelamadreputa]

True, ive seen Alekhine thinking of 16 moves ahead, and Fischer was better.

[IHATENEDAH]

i dont think thats true and of course Fischer was better he knew the most about chess and had the greatest ideas. But because he spoke his mind every idiot now has a excuse to make his greatness smaller... you have to know that he came up with everything himself sadly we never will understands tals true potential if he wouldnt have been drinking and taking chess more seriously

[AnarchistsCigarette]

When at the grandmaster level what I think it comes down to is if one opponent is thinking 10 moves ahead the winner will be thinking 11 moves ahead

[IHATENEDAH]

if that would be the case everytime the same people would win, it also has something to do with great ideas and deep positional understanding.. if it only had something to do with thinking nakamura would win every game and korchnoi would never have lasted 50 years at the top and roman wouldnt have such a success as a coach..

[napone0]

Bobby loved his bishops!

[quagapp]

He also a played a lot of Nimzo's

[crystal5666]

wow man i wanted to see fischer check mate him thats the best part you ahole. you left me high and dry like a hooker that was to expensive to pay

[LexMassive]

@crystal5666 Pretty sure Taimanov resigned after Fischer's 41st move.

[oneputtsteven]

@crystal5666 Dude the videos title says OPENINGS, how hard is that to understand.

[PuzzledJoker]

Great video

[downding]

5:59. Ok, full lines... If black took the g5 knight.

1. Rc6, hxg5

2. Bc4, Kh7 (must be h7 and NOT h8)

3. Bxd5 (whites even in material and ahead position wise)

The white bishop on d5 is just ridiculously strong and the black king looks pathetic. White can cause all sort of havoc on blacks position now either by swinging his dark bishop to b4 to hit the f8 rook or moving his f1 rook on d1 to hit the black queen eventually or maybe even a rook lift to h-file.

[downding]

5:59. After

1. Rc6, hxg5

2. Bc4,

Black can not play Kh8 because then hes losing a defender for the h6 square which would allow white to swing his c6 rook over. Had to use engine to find the exact lines though...

2. Kh8

3. Bxg5!, Qxg5 (White down two whole pieces temporarily, but his attack is simply devastating and he will recover his losses with surplus)

4. Qh3+ Bh6

5. Rxh6+ (Whites got one piece back and can take the black knight at will and his attack will continue)

[downding]

5:59. White "could" take the g5 knight with the pawn but it's NOT for "free."

After hxg5

Black has the very neat

1 Bc4 (hitting the pinned d5 knight a second time)

White can not defend the knight because Be6 will be met by Rxe6 and Ra5 with Bxa5.

And if White moves his king, his knight will fall and allow Black to bring his powerful white bishop to the d5 square while hes left with a demolished castle position. Fischers king move was to get out of this dangerous pin I believe.

[downding]

Hmm, actually this is basically the main system I use against Queen's pawn opening... also about the only system I have much luck with. It requires some work though as you are a bit squeezed in as black unless white blunder and leaves pawns or pieces hanging. Very though. Thanks for sharing.

[badmofker]

hey jrobi, your vids are excellent.. played chess when i was younger and have a go every now and then, your vids have made learning openings and strategies effortless, rather than read dreary books on the subject

[lpjuunin]

I agree with you badmofker, jrobi's vids are quite good, in fact (I hope this is all right with jrobi) I downloaded some of his videos to watch on the go on my mp3 player. ^^

But I can't quite agree with you on the 'dready book' part, as books on various openings and strategies can be a big help too. I find myself reading my personal copy of MCO-13 (Modern Chess Openings, 13th edition) almost anywhere, school, church, public transits, you name it!

[acollyte33]

jrobi tnx very much for posting all of your vids on youtube. im gonna watch them all. :) keep it up buddy .. hope you post more tnx :D

[jrobichess]

I don't see a fork at 5:46.

[XPur3Poon3rX]

Ne6 forking the Queen and Rook but black's Bishop can take and why doesn't Fischer take the Knight with his pawn?

[flyingbirdwithoutwin]

Because the black Knight is protected by the black Queen at d1

[elvarg711]

Do you mean the G5 knight coming down to E6?

[SantahClaus]

At the last position displayed, it appears that regardless what Taimanov does, he loses his rook in a few turns.

[jrobichess]

Fischer definitely built up an amazing position. Thanks for checking out the vid!

[lupe12345]

what if on 1:23 Taimanov play e4-e5 attacking the knight?

[Akavall]

6. e5 dxe5 7. dxe5 Qxd1 This can't be good for white.

If, 7. Nxe5 Nbd7, I think black is ok.

[volumeradio]

Where can you find his databases? Thank's all the videos are great!!!

[jrobichess]

I have a Fischer database on my personal site. Thanks for checking out the vid!

[flyingbirdwithoutwin]

Thank you for sharing this video, it's really helpful and great!!

[jrobichess]

Thanks flyingbirdwithoutwin!

[Wanthy]

@5:59 why doesn't fisher take the knight with the PAWN ? paw H6G5

[colorconnection]

i'd like to know that too... i've watched it a few times and i still can't figure out why he'd rather trade knights over a pawn instead of taking a knight for free. all i can think of is that he wanted to have his king in h8 corner very badly, and so needed to keep the pawn in h6 for protection.

maybe there was some mechanic to the pawn and knight exchanges on the queen side of the board that demanded immediate action, but which im too stupid to notice.

[kirtan55]

lots*

[kirtan55]

the kings indian defence has helped me a lot against queen pawns opeaning. it also creates los of tactics in online play. thank you jrobic

[medra1980]

d5 is a blunder for black unless the fritz 11 is wrong. But i could figure it out myself => it simply loses a pawn, after the queen trade white plays bishop g5

[NaturalistJuris]

Bishop takes G5. If the queen recaptures the white queen takes the hanging knight with check, then captures the black rook

[Frista100]

At 5:59 why doesnt Fischer just capture the knight outright? im an ok player about 1200, but i dont see the point in moving the king to H8 rather than capturing the knight on G5?

Can you explain for me?

[Nimzomyth68]

It fischer captures the Knight immediately then White can put more pressure on Fishcers pinned Knight in the centre with Bc4. There would be no way for Black to defend this Knight because or Whites Rook on c6. By playing Kh8 Fischer is moving out of the pin, making his threat on the Knight real.

[lighteviltwn]

thx, u also answered my question, im sure as well as many others.

[NaturalistJuris]

bishop to c4 is countered by Be6, the correct threat is Bg5, see the post above

[theczechfamous]

Be6? I think not. With the rook on c3 you've just given me your bishop Rxe6 and most probably the game. Bg5 as we can see is occupied by the knight. Maybe you mean ...hxf5 Bxf5 Qxf5 Qxd5 which leaves black up a bishop.

[pinkyfrogs23]

Thankyou for the video Jrobichess!

[TheDude541]

In 2:18, why doesn't white just move his king's pawn up attacking the knight? Black will capture with his queen's pawn and white will recapture and the pawn will still be attacking the knight and white's knight it protecting the pawn. There is a potential queen trade incase black wants to do that but white has it's queen's knight to recapture and then white eventually moves out his bishop and castle. There's not much black can do to stop it considering he has to save his knight from the pawn.

[Nimzomyth68]

After the queen exchange black plays Ng4, white can defend the pawn with his bishop, but then Black plays Nc6. The pawn is surrounded and Black has better development. For White to play that pawn advance he needs to develop first.

[TheDude541]

I have to remember that, I use K. Indian Defense a lot now and I recently ran into some trouble with something like this. Luckily I'm getting a rematch since we never got to finish our game.

[DarkReignie]

Another good video of yours! I have learnt so much in about 2 weeks just by watching your vids! In particular positional play and positional advantages plus a huge improvement in my endgame due to triangulation and pawn breakthroughs. Keep up the giood work! By the way, what program do you use for analysing your games? Thanks.

[jrobichess]

Thanks for the comment and checking it out! I use a variety of programs, both retail and free. A good one to get started out with is the graphical interface provided by the FICS. I have a video on how to get it up and running.

[jonjon2034]

ive noticed that in master games.. if you ask why.. u simply dont understand.. its insane some of there moves seem so wierd.. lol but they are Perfect..

[bobx2x2]

Since studying some of Fischer's games I have been using the King's Indian Defense. I still have a lot to learn about it. This video was a big help. Thanks.

[jrobichess]

Thanks for checking it out Bob!

[Saoff]

awesome video, i was specifically looking for something that explained the strategies of both players. Thanks!

[Elvyne963]

Why is it that Fisher doesn't take the knight (complete left) when he has the chance, and instead he simply move his king ?

[localtruth]

If he had captured the knight, white would be able to advance further into Fischer's territory with the pawns and a knight, rook, and queen for support.

[localtruth]

Also, his knight was pinned by the queen, so he moved the king to remove the pressure and reduce the threat.

[furrer08]

Isnt Rc1 completly wrong considering modern theory?

[jrobichess]

Not too sure what you're thinking of - could you get into a bit more detail?  Thanks for checking out the vid!

[christian16273847]

why does he push the pawn up to E5? wouldnt that lead to white gaining a pawn??

[furrer08]

He can play Knight takes d4, winning it back in an even endgame, some even means that it is better for black (because white cant really improve his postition).

[Scinauticando]

thank man, really useful video

[jrobichess]

Thanks for checking out the vid Scinauticando!

[reikorarasu]

nice game of the king's indian defense jrobi!

[jrobichess]

Thanks reikorarasu!

[NoNameLeftToTake]

thanks for the video... but where does black's knight go if white's king's pawn pressures the F6 knight in the opening by pushing down to E5

[smooch0408]

i can never maintain tension on the board....something to work on, obviously

[davidmingming]

Can you tell me where can I download the same type like the chess set on the board. Great video!

[jugarul]

Thanks ! How can I post a game this way...do I need a web camera or can I do it without ?

[jrobichess]

Nope - just need windows media encoder which you can get from Microsoft. Thanks for checking out the vid!

[davidmingming]

Where did you get this software? Where did you download it?

[jrobichess]

Thanks for checking out the vid David - you can get functionality from a few different sources for this kind of software. Most PGN viewers or engines will work.

[AugustKamppur]

Cool video, thanks for posting it.

[jrobichess]

Thanks August!

[scacchis]

thx for posting this, I really can use this xD

[jrobichess]

Thanks for checking out the vid scacchis!

[Nader7777]

thank you jrobi , i have seen some of your videos and enjoyed alot.. and fischer is amazing in positions..he could play out the machine if they ever play once

[jrobichess]

Thanks Nader7777 - I appreciate the comment!

[nKhid]

I have a question(sorry if it's obvious), but how come white can't play pawn to e5? I thought they would just trade pawns, but white would be attacking black's knight, what's so bad about that?

[muskovite]

maybe it would lead to queen trade where white would have to take with king stopping castle.

[nKhid]

white has the knight to take the queen

[Larravok]

nKhid this cant be the sense for white to give away any advantage he might have in the opening and even trading early queens for his disadvantage.Secondly e5 pawn is quite weak and the white center isnt holdable so black is after e5 at least equal quite fast in my opinion

[jrobichess]

Great discussion and comments everyone!

[jrobichess]

Thanks for checking out the video Didi! An English opening from white would start out with pawn to C4 instead of pawn to D4.

[didi444444]

thank you for that analyze .. i have a Q?

wasn't that the english opening for white in the beginning of the game?

[jrobichess]

Thanks for the comment Sakio - I appreciate that! I totally agree, there was definitely some deep thinking in this match, and tension was definitely key.

[Sakio442]

hmmm... this is a good lesson on tension... playing someone else who doesn't like tension with a strategy to keep tension could be confusing I think. I'm no Grandmaster, but it doesn't even take one to acknowledge that this game took some thought. I thoroughly enjoyed the video.

[andsanp]

very complicated game for me

[ecspade]

An interesting game.

Thanks for the video!

[jrobichess]

Thanks - I have enjoyed looking at Fischer's matches for these videos.