de verdad no es mi intencion aguarles el tema pero apsolutamente ningun arte marcial sirve cuando te atacan 3 o mas atacantes eso es solo en peliculas o contra 3 idiotas que no sepan que coño estan haciendo... pero si son tres experimentados ni la defensa personal ni el aikido. solo dos piernas y corre duro
I realise BJJ is one of the most effective self defence systems for ground grappling and 1v1. But what if say.... on the street where you could be facing 3 - 4 attackers? You can't go to the ground then because if you do, you won't get back up.
@CODLiver0ils true, but then again, why would you try to fight 3-4 attackers?? lol but in all seriousness if faced with that problem grappling would not be the best way to get out of that situation..RUNNING would be and certain techniques for keeping them away from you
@TheHaptik I absolutely agree with you there with running away because thats exactly what we're told to do if such a situation ever occurs. My point was that BJJ would be a VERY effective martial arts 1v1, more so than others, but if say for example you were cornered by multiple attackers with no option to fight your way out, Would that decrease the effectiveness of BJJ as its mainly ground fighting? That was my original point but hey, I don't do BJJ so inform me if you know.
@CODLiver0ils It could very well be used against multiple attackers.. It all depends on the skill level of the person... In all honesty there is ABSOLUTELY no martial art that is effective against multiple attackers.. ppl might use the false argument that stand up styles will be effective.. but what happens when u drop someone and turn to fight their friend and they get up again.. BJJ can be just as effective as any other style.. choking someone unconscious could be more effective than a punch
@Wrestlefan1 True, true. I don't do BJJ so I don't know. I was just throwing it out there as it may be difficult to use against multiple attackers but thanks for informing me on the truth.
@TheBestBoxingGame He knew he was about to fight. He just did not know what he was in for. Hapkido guy walked into the gym "not ready" for what was about to happen. Gracie could have given that guy an eternity to get ready & still all splits & punching the air still would have been useless.
WTF is a DOUCHEBACK? They put there reputation & well being on the line to prove what they teach is real so I guess it opens them up to criticisms from DOUCHEBAGS!
@TheBestBoxingGame Ur a boxing fan? What's rule number 1? Protect urself at all times. I am not saying what Gracie did was what u saw, but once a fight starts if the other guys is paying attention to anything but the guy trying to kick his ass...well he gets what he deserves.
Spell police? DOUCHEBACK & DOUCHEBAG? Those r 2 diffrent words. U know that. U made a mistake just like singing wrong song lyrics.
@cfrancisco74 your opinion is null and void to me. To me, that guy is a bitch. So many BJJ dudes are bitches. Remember when Gracie pulled Kimos hair ? another bitch right there.
Fact-Boxing refs instruct fighters 2 protect themselves at all times.
Fact-In UFC 3 hair pulling was legal.
Fact-The Gracies have an open invitation to all who wish to test the effectiveness of GJJ (bithes indeed).
Opinion-Effectiveness of BJJ compells so many practitioners of other combative arts to defame it by whatever means. If u cant attack the art attack the artist
Yes, null & void 2 u. Just as bjj nullifies & voids alot of strikers.
@cfrancisco74 If you pull hair, your a bitch. No matter the rules, theres still unwritten rules. There's no way you can run from that. He got desperate, then started that shit. That=bitch
@cfrancisco7 in a death and life battle hair pulling is OK of course, UFC is not and was never a life and death battle. He lost a lot of respect "pulling" that move. BIATCH !
@cfrancisco74 And no I dont agree with boxers suckerpunching their opponents.Still, this is different,he was out to prove something, "proved" it then proclaimed his "superiority". Just..low.
@TheBestBoxingGame What r these unwritten rules u r talking about? Who makes them? You? Was the attempted ball grabbing in the video a violation of that? R these statements of fact or ur opinion?
And the whole purpose of these challenge matches is to show GJJ's effectiveness. How is proclaiming that in victory low? or is it another one ofthese unwritten rules?
BJJ guys may be bitches (IYO) but they r some stangleing. bone breaking, fight winning bitches.
@cfrancisco74 If I was out to prove that BJJ is the superior art, I would refrain from using tactics that would make me look like a thirteen year old schoolgirl fighting her former BFF.
@TheBestBoxingGame But you r not. U r out to prove it is ineffectual, but cant so insult the practitioners like a 20 homosexual scorned by a former BF.
@cfrancisco74 Where did I say its not effective, ur neurotic now.. ? I said he partly sucker attacked him. Which is clear pretty clear unless you dont want to see it.
@cfrancisco74 I have nothing against BJJ its only some of the brazilians,mainly the gracies. They take it all, and esp themselves, too serious.Other guys, like Eddie Bravo for example, are cool though
@TheBestBoxingGame By accusing Gracie of a sucker punch u imply that BJJ is insufficient in a fight & must rely on underhanded techniques.
Neutrotic? U r outraged by a preceived sucker punch & hair pulling as if it were perperated against u personally, insult the gracies as if they were the assailants & 4 lack of adherance to some unwritten fighting eticate. Me neurotic? Alright then.
Oh ya and you dont revolutionize martial arts & create the UFC by being willy-nilly about what u do.
@cfrancisco74 Well he DID suckerpunch him. The guy suddenly got distracted or wasnt clear on what was going on. The right thing to do would have been to wait a little.
But its those brazilians. No honor, no respect.
And the hair pulling incident was just embarrassing.
@TheBestBoxingGame 1. This video was taken in the 80 or early nineties BEFORE Youtube.
2. The gracies did not post it.
3. The Gracies have had an open challenge to ALL opponents since inseption of the art. Cherry picking?
4. When Helio Gracie lost 2 Kimura he did not try to hide it. He incorperated the technique employed to beat him into the art & named it after his opponent. The Royler & Royce lost in Pride. No cover up tere.
5. Bjj is not enough to compete in MMA Bcoz it is MMA.
@TheBestBoxingGame 1. This video was taken in the 80 or early nineties BEFORE Youtube.
2. The gracies did not post it.
3. The Gracies have had an open challenge to ALL opponents since inseption of the art. Cherry picking?
4. When Helio Gracie lost 2 Kimura he did not try to hide it. He incorperated the technique employed to beat him into the art & named it after his opponent. The Royler & Royce lost in Pride. No cover up tere.
5. Bjj is not enough to compete in MMA Bcoz it is MMA.
@cfrancisco74 What I dont like about these guys is this. They run a propaganda campaign. Cherry pick opponents that none have ever heard of, and that they are pretty sure they will beat, then post it to youtube.
If a good kick boxer went into their gym and beat up everybody, you think they would post it ? No way.
It's already clear that BJJ is no longer enough to compete in MMA. And its a fact they cant handle.
@TheBestBoxingGame 1. This video was taken in the 80 or early nineties BEFORE Youtube.
2. The gracies did not post it.
3. The Gracies have had an open challenge to ALL opponents since inseption of the art. Cherry picking?
4. When Helio Gracie lost 2 Kimura he did not try to hide it. He incorperated the technique employed to beat him into the art & named it after his opponent. The Royler & Royce lost in Pride. No cover up tere.
5. Bjj is not enough to compete in MMA Bcoz it is MMA.
@TheBestBoxingGame U did not accuse Gracie of a sucker punch? "Well he DID suckerpunch him." Contradict much?
tgis video is proof that bjj is superior to hapkido? Sure. And what? Was that supposed to be a burn. Ur combacks r as weak as ur irrational hatred for brazillians & Gracies.
Then I accuse, who cares. To me when you accuse someone, theres doubt that he is not guilty. Here im simply saying, he IS guilty if suckerpunching. Thats why im not really accusing.retard.
@cfrancisco74 Yes unwritten rules of fighting in TOURNAMENTS. Are you so stupid that you confuse fighting on the street with that ? Its not a fucking deathmatch you stupid cunt.
@TheBestBoxingGame So how many deathmatches have u been in Sensei Online? How many tournaments? How did u happen upone there codes? did u google them?
@TheBestBoxingGame Yes they lost in pride. So what they had guts enough to get in the ring. they r not INTERNET WARRIORS hurling insults & hiding behind a computer.
@cfrancisco74 Many has the guts to go into the ring and at the same time have honor and respect. Its nothing special going fighting in combat sport you think that alone makes me respect them ? LOL
@TheBestBoxingGame Is that all u got? Blah blah blah sucker punch. blah blah blah bitch, slut, cunt. Blah blah blah hair pulling. Blah blah blah no honor...Lol.
I refute every point u have made & called u on ur stupidity. U repeat the same shit & ignore every relevant point. Black belt hair puller? OK. I guess it breaks the unwritten rules of a black belt in troller & violates the honor code of an internet warrior.
@cfrancisco74 What more do I need ? But it seems like you like Sucker Punching and Hairpulling. But each to his own. What relevant points did you have lol, except that you think its OK to pull hair according to the rules, and you like it when a gracie win because of a sucker punch.
@cfrancisco74 Again you prove my point. You are unable to comment in any intelligent fashion. What can I say ? typical BJJ nuthuggers...Dont you have anything else to do ? Like hair to pull ? Suckers to punch ? Gracies to nuthug ?
@TheBestBoxingGame AND OF COURSE BJJ is not enough to be successful in MMA Bcoz it is MIXED MARTIAL ARTS. But if not for the Gracies there may not have been MMA. AND there would not have been a UFC. I will say this when u see a mma fighter in trouble getting pounded no what usually saves his ass is BJJ.
BJJ superior than judo? how old are you kid? Do even know what BJJ is(roots) ?
Why Hélio and Valmedar got both owned easily by Kimura? And no Kimura was no giant, he was smaller than hélio and had at most 10-15 kilos advantage, and he completely owned Hélio(many eye witness told that) , its not about the art it is all about the practitioner.
PS: Jiu Jisu is Japanese, Judo is like a twin art, and BJJ is Maeda (kodokan member) Judo neowasa in a nut shell.
@pkjdm It would have been irrational for Bruce Lee to try to punch and kick against man, who is a 9th degree black belt guru in groundfighting, and has a 95% takedown rate. You must have being to retarded to not listen to the truth by Rorion, when he said that most fights end up on the ground.
I just stated some facts about Bruce lee striking power.
Its irrational to try to punch or kick a good grappler? how you are going to defeat him so ? hugging and kissing? Bruce lee trained grappling with GENE LABEL do you even know who this guys is?
Bruce could tko Rorion with a single punch or kick, Rorion could submit Bruce if the fight went to the ground ... We will never know ...
@pkjdm There's no video footage of Bruce Lee showing good take down defense against a well-trained freestyle wrestler, Greco-Roman wrestler, or black belt in ju-jitsu.
@SenseiGrove you need to do some research man, got to the closest GJJ school, odds are you will get to roll with the instructor. The Gracie's have made plenty of challenges. And there is no proof to back up all the cliche "multiple opponent street fight" hoopla.
@hybridcombatives "chambered punch stuff"? Its standard boxing technique to punch from the chamber, every MMA fighter who can exchange punches knows to punch from the chamber. The window of getting counter punched or taken down is exponentially smaller if your punching from the chamber, it's also how you chain you arm to you leg and hip = power punch, is not archaic at all
@hybridcombatives "chambered punch stuff"? Its standard boxing technique to punch from the chamber, every MMA fighter who can exchange punches knows to punch from the chamber. The window of getting counter punched or taken down is exponentially smaller if your punching from the chamber, it's also how you chain you arm to you leg and hip = power punch, is not archaic at all
@Histruth1977 Hapkido isn't a grappling art either. It is essentially Tae Kwon do with Daito Ryu Aikijutsu/aikido elements infused. It maintains training in throws and joint locks but not at a full press grappling level like Brazillian jiu-litsu or submission wrestling.
@Histruth1977 the Gracie's aren't the ones making the challenges, its the people from other style trying to legitimize theirs by defeating someone else of another style. from what i'v heard you can't start sparring a black belt or gracie family member until you have faught some of the lower ranking students.
@asuraizen I'm sure that Hapkido instructor could have easily knocked Rorion out, it doesn't matter how powerful your strikes are, you still need a certain amount of space and an opening to use it. It's very possible for a GJJ instructor to get knocked out but the striker will have to be aware that the grappler wants to close the distance, even then, throwing a punch commits your weight forward
@lsloewen2 thus the creation of MMA. Good close range boxing fundamentals without the chambered punch stuff of archaic traditional martial arts, and good grappling/counter grappling of jj and wrestling.
Lo increíble es además que los contrincantes de los Gracie, que son maestros o expertos en sus respectivos estilos, parecen simplemente aficionados al enfrentarse a ese estilo superior.
What I would say is that every martial art has its pros and cons, grapplers have to be physically resilient to get into close quarters to attempt a take down. Now here if there was a person having powerful strikes where a single strike would suffice to knock the guy down... what then? Once a take down is done, yes on the ground striking would be useless, but trying to prove that one is greater than the other wouldn't be fair.
It seems like you can't execute hapkido without your enemy's cooperation. So it kinda seems like Korean martial arts meets pro wrestling here. Are some of those fancy moves of hapkido really necessary?
@Flavioxeneize I imagine ground-fighting has become more popular in Hapkido only in recent years, after the Gracies showed its usefulness in the UFC. I imagine many Hapkidoka discounted ground-fighting and emphasized only standing striking/joint-locks before the advent of MMA.
Just because it's technically in the system doesn't mean all schools will emphasize it or even teach it at all.
@Flavioxeneize I studied Hapkido for two years about 20 years ago. My instructors never taught us any ground fighting techniques. I just recall learning strike, as well as a lot of trips, flips, and standing wrist locks.
I love how he adds a slap to humiliate the other guy, not like the other guy is going to do anything back, unless he wants to get put to sleep or his shoulder split
I have never seen any "martial arts instructor" back pedal and then get taken sown like this, what a bullshit set up these videos are such phony shit.
Man this HKD SMF entered the fight like he was going for a semi contact fight, he didn't show any knowledge of HKD and worse he didn't show any knowledge of what to expect from a BJJ fighter.
this shit is like 20 years old and verified by the most trusted martial arts magazine in the world and u people are still in denial .........over 45,000 viewers on this hapkido ass whoppin alone and not one "hapkido master" to your liking...that saw this steps up and says hey i can do better..not even YOUR MASTER...people read these next words closely and obey..................................shut the fuck up...im a proud member of the gracie academy and we still accept challenges....pleeeease
this shit is like 20 years old and verified by the most trusted martial arts magazine in the world and u people are still in denial .........over 45,000 viewers on this hapkido ass whoppin alone and not one "hapkido master" to your liking...that saw this steps up and says hey i can do better..not even YOUR MASTER...people read these next words closely and obey..................................shut the fuck up...im a proud member of the gracie academy and we still accept challenges....pleeeease
this shit is like 20 years old and verified by the most trusted martial arts magazine in the world and u people are still in denial .........over 45,000 viewers on this hapkido ass whoppin alone and not one "hapkido master" to your liking...that saw this steps up and says hey i can do better..not even YOUR MASTER...people read these next words closely and obey..................................shut the fuck up...im a proud member of the gracie academy and we still accept challenges....pleeeease
the only reason gracie was able to beat him is because the instructor sucked. Hapkido in the hands of a perfect fighter is unbeatable and if theyd had a real instructor in thier gracie wouldntve stood a chance in heck plus the instructor was probably just a regular black belt gracie wouldve been taken out in a split second against a perfect hapkido grandmaster
My friend this is not a Hapkido instructor, he stinks, Hapkido is even more effective than BJJ on ground, try fighting a real Hapkido grandmaster, I do not know where you bring these guys from and call them Hapkido instructors
@ninjatoolkit You are forgeting the first rule of any martial artist. That you must always be AWARE of your surroundings. If you are fighting multiple attackers the obvious thing to do would be to not go to the. But what if you are getting taken down? Jiu Jistu can help prevent that.
@ThePinkMan I think you misunderstand me- this is an 'exhibition' fight, with rules [see 0:45 'out of desperation he tries to....']
Similar rules apply in all the variants of 'cage combat' that I'm aware of- they are sports, albeit sports with highly skilled competitors. They are NOT lethal fights.
Clearly BJJ is highly effective in the sports arena but in the real world? Have a look at footage of real world fights- they don't go to the ground.
I train military and police. Fights do go to the ground. Even highly trained fighters get taken down. Another point is that a grappler understands balance and base and has a lower chance of being taken down then someone who doesn't. In a case where they do they can get back up easier. There are multiple street fighting videos online. Go watch them for yourself. Majority go to the ground and if they don;t you can see that someone with training could easily take them there.
@mizmera Uhhhh that isnt the point, They didnt put the best fighters against them for these confrontations in fact they usually put up the younger, smaller weaker gracies (which in most other martial is considered an inferior fighter) to prove that there styles show a totally new unheard of and effective way of fighting and exposed all the BS about martial arts :P
@k00lkane - I understand what you are saying, but what you forget is that to those fighters surprised them. Do you really think somebody with karate and experience in fighting somebody with bjj would end up like that? Will not happen like that. They also showed bjj vs knife... got knifed about 30 times while the bjj guy tried a take down. Do you know how many bjj guys have been knocked out? Does that mean the other style is better? NO. Just means he was good.
@mizmera your comment is a little old but I just have to tell you something: Karate alone is typically a stand up martial art and even with a lot of fighting experience a karate-only fighter will end up on the ground just the same. A common pattern in fighting is 2 fighters trade blows, clinch up, then go to the ground. And the vast majority of karate instructors only teach the tag-sparring crap. And a knife against any unarmed martial artist only results in the unarmed martial artist's death.
@mizmera While anyone will agree that you shouldn't go down to the ground at all in a fight outside of the ring (even the Gracies will say this), the point in learning a grappling art is that you will be prepared if you are taken down to the ground. You see all these strikers claiming that they will never be taken down, but they end up being taken down because they are too used to the rules of their own school (no take downs or ground fighting).
@amerexile001 - So true. Interesting that most of the damn classes you get from tae kwon do, karate, etc teaches you how to fight against the same type of combat. And in this lies the problem. This is why karateka get taken down easily by bjj. They dont know what they are up against.
@amerexile001 I have been in a lot of street fights when I was in high school. I grew up in a ruff area in Oakland California. And 90% of the fights Ive seen men or women ended on the ground. Even when you look at youtube street fights you will see this ALL the time. The cool thing about Bjj is most of the movies you can do standing off a clinch. My little brother got jumped by 3 guys. He choked out the 1st. Broke the 2nd 1 arm(kimura) & broke the 3rd leg heelhook. All this in less then a min.
@b7r7u7c7e No offense but your brother is either a prodigy in bjj or was the least capable guys ever, because just in the time it would take someone to get the choke and put their opponent to sleep, even if he is very good, would be more than enough time to be smashed in the head, and get stomped on or kicked on the ground. The truth is bjj is very good for some situations, and very bad for others, like multiple opponents and or weapons
@themi90 Fact is if your a prodigy in boxing, Wrestling, judo, kung fu, Karete etc multiple attacks will always put you in bad position. The problem with stand up types of Martial Arts is that alot of guys think they CAN take on multiple guys. They think there Bruce Lee that can take 50 guys. lolFrom what ive seen from being out in the street is if you dont know some basic wrestling, or clinch fighting your done. I think the best combo is boxing and wrestling for self defense. Basic & effective
@b7r7u7c7e I agree completely, multiple guys are always a big problem, for anyone, and you should no a grappling art to be well rounded, I'm just saying that being well rounded and prepared means knowing more that bjj. That's all.
The best thing the Gracies did was to expose all the BS that was in martial arts. Some traditional martial artists, like these Hapkido guys were con-men who tricked people into paying hundreds or even thousands of dollars to learn what amounted to dancing instead of self defense. The Gracies are heroes in my book.
@KingBedlam I don't think this guy was a con-man. Con-men seldom respond to fight challenges and virtually never seek out opponents who they don't know if they can beat.
So I don't think he was a con-man, just ignorant of his own limitations like many martial artists were and still are.
Hapkido was the first art i trainned in, & then TKD, then later, Wing-Chung. Out of the 3 i think Wing-Chung was the most effective but difficult stlye to learn. I'm to old in my mid 40's to train in ground fighting. Any art that is taken seriously can be effective, & no one system is greater than the other. It's the fighter & motivation that he has. Ground fighting looks boaring, but not to be taken for granted.
El desafío Gracie fue el verdadero orígen del UFC y por supuesto de las diferentes variantes de las Artes Marciales Mixtas; fue la adaptación del "Vale Tudo" a los EE.UU.
And what martial art would you choose for the fantasy scenario? Hip throws, knee on belly, super slap, clinch controls, controlling distance, front and side kicks, bear-hug and various hold defenses, getting up in base, all effective techniques (to name some basics!) against a mugging with multiple opponents scenario, all have been in the GJJA curriculum from the very beginning, verifiable by GrandMaster Helio Gracie's book
jujitsu is the only martial art that effectively trains for ground combat? Somebody better go explain this to Kazushi Sakuraba who is a catch-as-catch-can wrestler ( and beat several Gracies )
Now that MMA fighters have learned how to defend themselves against Jujitsu techniques, Jujitsu has become like the Kenpo Karate instructor as far as being a one trick pony is concerned. An expertise in Jujitsu alone is no longer enough to stay competitive in MMA where you now need to be well rounded, as over the years more and more Gracies have found out the hard way.
@benthemiester Agreed. Though some may not want to admit it, majority of MMA fights in the last 10 years result in KO more than submission. Not because BJJ sucks, on the contrary. It's because strikers have learned to adapt to groundfighting and at the very least develop a serviceable ground defense. Rather than knock it, they accept it as part of the game and learn how to roll with it so they can play to their strengths. Adapt and overcome, as my sensei says.
@deek77 Yes, but dont get me wrong, I have respect for all the martial arts. Its just that MMA is a recent fusion and is still foreign to some of hardcore traditionalist, but thats changing. Progress is a good thing. The fighters now days are the best Iv'e ever seen.
I have video tapes that go back to when they had to do this in secret, and even the audience didn't know where the event was going to take place until the last minute.
@benthemiester Totally agree, and I didn't take you wrong at all. Just agreeing with you that the most important part of unarmed combat isn't what system you use, but how you can adapt to different things. What's interesting is the great warriors of the past were ones that either learned several ways to fight and/or knew to fight against several ways. Samurai, for example, were famous for katana but were skilled in 26 methods of armed and unarmed combat.
@JordForster i started at 16 u will be a bad man if u take it serious and spare with it as much as possible i got good by fighting ppl who was 15-25lbs more then me'
@JordForster I have also discovered BJJ 6 years ago & i am a 3 stripe Purple belt. I love BJJ as much as any1 & i'd be the first to tell U that there is no such thing AS AN INFERIOR MARTIAL ART. Every single Martial Art has a weakness. It is about the ARTIST & how well he/she can use his/her discipline to the best of his/her ability. If your Martial art does not emphasize kicks, punches, knees & elbows, thats a weakness. If ur Martial art does not emphasize ground techniques, That's a weakness.
@kanguesso Thank you so much for saying that. I've been in karate 17 years, also learning some judo on the side, and I have come to the same conclusion. No such thing as best or worst martial art, each art has weaknesses, because each person has weaknesses. How can an imperfect person develop an perfect art? But they can develop an art form that fits them, and even then our bodies change over time, so we'll always have something to improve on. Thanks again.
@ulkord Yea, tell that to a Gracie....Before MMA it was Jiu Jitsu vs everything else and Jiu Jitsu was usally comin out on top thats why we have the UFC today cause as you can see it changed that whole game.
I love it how some people claim, Gracie/Brazilian JJ haters say it's useless against multiple opponents. In reality, ALL fighting styles are useless against multiple opponents. When Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, or Steven Seagal beat up a group of attackers, remember this: IT'S A MOVIE. It's CHOREOGRAPHED. If multiple people wanted to fight me, I'd get the hell out. The beautiful thing about BJJ is that it gives us little guys a chance against big guys.
@hondaciviccoupe10 not muay thai thats great for multiple opponents just thing inside leg kick (knee out of place) teep (knocked over) headkick (knockout) then fight whose left however if these guys are trained you'd probably be screwed
Thanks for the support, glad your safe after doing that. I once was in a friendly sparring match and got body slammed while on the opponents back, most of his 200 lbs body weight landed on my groin and I had a ruptured testicle (everything I ok now) but the point is, amidst the massive pain I was able to finish even a friendly sparring match with a submission even after probably the worlds worst groin strike
Dirty fighting tactics are bad strategies, simply put. Any hold can be escaped from with a leverage based JJ technique, dirty fighting techniques usually will just infuriate your opponent, if dirty fighting techniques were the ultimate finishing move, why don't we hear more about rapes, murders, robberies that are countered with a simple groin strike?
@lsloewen2 That's true. I worked Loss Prevention (Under Cover Security) I was in a few very violent fights with shoplifters. One was an buffed ex con fresh out of prison stealing a bottle Tequila. Since we could not strike. I had to rely on my BJJ training. No matter how tough they were, I was always able to submit them.
Your a armchair martial artist, if your claims were true, you wouldn't be able to make them. GJJ is highly effective in every setting and anyone who has actually been in street fights knows better.
@lsloewen2 You are a youtube yakuza. You have never been in a fight outside of the childrens class in your dojo. I never claimed to be a master but I have used my training to save my live. Gracie Jujitsu may be effective but only an idiot would not concede that it is too commital in a multiple attacker, fight for your life urban situation.
I am by no means a master but my training has saved my life and the life of others on the street. The ruthless application of dirty tactics has served me well and has served me well. Conditioning from my training has enabled me to apply these tactics. BJJ is cool but in an urban street situation give me a few months of high school wrestling over BJJ any day. Being body slamed on concrete ends a conflict faster than squirming around in the guard for 20 minuets.
@DoctorKhajavs Out of all the comments that I made the only thing you can focus on is the mount not involving putting balls in someones mouth, I will take that as a compliment. These are not "old arguments" this is the reality of a street fight. I have seen "grapplers stomped" in a crowded violent situation. I am no bad ass but I am no slouch either. BJJ has it's place but there is a reason the Gracies train in boxing and Muy Thai, BJJ by itself is not enough.
@DoctorKhajavs "Have I ever trained BJJ" Foolish question why would I need to? The real question is have you been in a real street fight? I have numerous times. I even have a citation from a local youth center for protecting some of their kids who were in harms way from an armed assailant. I also have spared with some BJJ guys and I've won some and lost some wrestlers have given me the most trouble. It is their superior strength and forward aggression that is hard to overcome.
de verdad no es mi intencion aguarles el tema pero apsolutamente ningun arte marcial sirve cuando te atacan 3 o mas atacantes eso es solo en peliculas o contra 3 idiotas que no sepan que coño estan haciendo... pero si son tres experimentados ni la defensa personal ni el aikido. solo dos piernas y corre duro
gerardoeross 1 day ago
I realise BJJ is one of the most effective self defence systems for ground grappling and 1v1. But what if say.... on the street where you could be facing 3 - 4 attackers? You can't go to the ground then because if you do, you won't get back up.
CODLiver0ils 6 days ago
@CODLiver0ils true, but then again, why would you try to fight 3-4 attackers?? lol but in all seriousness if faced with that problem grappling would not be the best way to get out of that situation..RUNNING would be and certain techniques for keeping them away from you
HOOPE I cleared things up :D
TheHaptik 6 days ago
@TheHaptik I absolutely agree with you there with running away because thats exactly what we're told to do if such a situation ever occurs. My point was that BJJ would be a VERY effective martial arts 1v1, more so than others, but if say for example you were cornered by multiple attackers with no option to fight your way out, Would that decrease the effectiveness of BJJ as its mainly ground fighting? That was my original point but hey, I don't do BJJ so inform me if you know.
CODLiver0ils 5 days ago
@CODLiver0ils It could very well be used against multiple attackers.. It all depends on the skill level of the person... In all honesty there is ABSOLUTELY no martial art that is effective against multiple attackers.. ppl might use the false argument that stand up styles will be effective.. but what happens when u drop someone and turn to fight their friend and they get up again.. BJJ can be just as effective as any other style.. choking someone unconscious could be more effective than a punch
Wrestlefan1 1 day ago
@Wrestlefan1 True, true. I don't do BJJ so I don't know. I was just throwing it out there as it may be difficult to use against multiple attackers but thanks for informing me on the truth.
CODLiver0ils 1 day ago
Does that fag attack him while he is not ready ? Fucking cunts..BJJ might be very good, but that dont make these guys less douchebacks
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame He knew he was about to fight. He just did not know what he was in for. Hapkido guy walked into the gym "not ready" for what was about to happen. Gracie could have given that guy an eternity to get ready & still all splits & punching the air still would have been useless.
WTF is a DOUCHEBACK? They put there reputation & well being on the line to prove what they teach is real so I guess it opens them up to criticisms from DOUCHEBAGS!
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 Guy is looking to the side, then the bjj suddenly jumps him. He would have lost anyway, im pretty sure. But why the cheap move ?
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 Thank God, the internet spelling police is here.
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
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cfrancisco74 1 week ago
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@TheBestBoxingGame Ur a boxing fan? What's rule number 1? Protect urself at all times. I am not saying what Gracie did was what u saw, but once a fight starts if the other guys is paying attention to anything but the guy trying to kick his ass...well he gets what he deserves.
Spell police? DOUCHEBACK & DOUCHEBAG? Those r 2 diffrent words. U know that. U made a mistake just like singing wrong song lyrics.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 your opinion is null and void to me. To me, that guy is a bitch. So many BJJ dudes are bitches. Remember when Gracie pulled Kimos hair ? another bitch right there.
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame OK then here some facts 4 u:
Fact-Boxing refs instruct fighters 2 protect themselves at all times.
Fact-In UFC 3 hair pulling was legal.
Fact-The Gracies have an open invitation to all who wish to test the effectiveness of GJJ (bithes indeed).
Opinion-Effectiveness of BJJ compells so many practitioners of other combative arts to defame it by whatever means. If u cant attack the art attack the artist
Yes, null & void 2 u. Just as bjj nullifies & voids alot of strikers.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 If you pull hair, your a bitch. No matter the rules, theres still unwritten rules. There's no way you can run from that. He got desperate, then started that shit. That=bitch
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@cfrancisco7 in a death and life battle hair pulling is OK of course, UFC is not and was never a life and death battle. He lost a lot of respect "pulling" that move. BIATCH !
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 And no I dont agree with boxers suckerpunching their opponents.Still, this is different,he was out to prove something, "proved" it then proclaimed his "superiority". Just..low.
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame What r these unwritten rules u r talking about? Who makes them? You? Was the attempted ball grabbing in the video a violation of that? R these statements of fact or ur opinion?
And the whole purpose of these challenge matches is to show GJJ's effectiveness. How is proclaiming that in victory low? or is it another one ofthese unwritten rules?
BJJ guys may be bitches (IYO) but they r some stangleing. bone breaking, fight winning bitches.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 If I was out to prove that BJJ is the superior art, I would refrain from using tactics that would make me look like a thirteen year old schoolgirl fighting her former BFF.
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame But you r not. U r out to prove it is ineffectual, but cant so insult the practitioners like a 20 homosexual scorned by a former BF.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 Where did I say its not effective, ur neurotic now.. ? I said he partly sucker attacked him. Which is clear pretty clear unless you dont want to see it.
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 I have nothing against BJJ its only some of the brazilians,mainly the gracies. They take it all, and esp themselves, too serious.Other guys, like Eddie Bravo for example, are cool though
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame By accusing Gracie of a sucker punch u imply that BJJ is insufficient in a fight & must rely on underhanded techniques.
Neutrotic? U r outraged by a preceived sucker punch & hair pulling as if it were perperated against u personally, insult the gracies as if they were the assailants & 4 lack of adherance to some unwritten fighting eticate. Me neurotic? Alright then.
Oh ya and you dont revolutionize martial arts & create the UFC by being willy-nilly about what u do.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 Well he DID suckerpunch him. The guy suddenly got distracted or wasnt clear on what was going on. The right thing to do would have been to wait a little.
But its those brazilians. No honor, no respect.
And the hair pulling incident was just embarrassing.
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
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@TheBestBoxingGame 1. This video was taken in the 80 or early nineties BEFORE Youtube.
2. The gracies did not post it.
3. The Gracies have had an open challenge to ALL opponents since inseption of the art. Cherry picking?
4. When Helio Gracie lost 2 Kimura he did not try to hide it. He incorperated the technique employed to beat him into the art & named it after his opponent. The Royler & Royce lost in Pride. No cover up tere.
5. Bjj is not enough to compete in MMA Bcoz it is MMA.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
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@TheBestBoxingGame 1. This video was taken in the 80 or early nineties BEFORE Youtube.
2. The gracies did not post it.
3. The Gracies have had an open challenge to ALL opponents since inseption of the art. Cherry picking?
4. When Helio Gracie lost 2 Kimura he did not try to hide it. He incorperated the technique employed to beat him into the art & named it after his opponent. The Royler & Royce lost in Pride. No cover up tere.
5. Bjj is not enough to compete in MMA Bcoz it is MMA.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 What I dont like about these guys is this. They run a propaganda campaign. Cherry pick opponents that none have ever heard of, and that they are pretty sure they will beat, then post it to youtube.
If a good kick boxer went into their gym and beat up everybody, you think they would post it ? No way.
It's already clear that BJJ is no longer enough to compete in MMA. And its a fact they cant handle.
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame 1. This video was taken in the 80 or early nineties BEFORE Youtube.
2. The gracies did not post it.
3. The Gracies have had an open challenge to ALL opponents since inseption of the art. Cherry picking?
4. When Helio Gracie lost 2 Kimura he did not try to hide it. He incorperated the technique employed to beat him into the art & named it after his opponent. The Royler & Royce lost in Pride. No cover up tere.
5. Bjj is not enough to compete in MMA Bcoz it is MMA.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 "By accusing Gracie of a sucker punch u imply that BJJ is insufficient in a fight & must rely on underhanded techniques."
I dont accuse him of anything. I simply made an observation. Why he did id it don't know.
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame And as for the "sucker punch," I see the fight beginning & Gracie starting 2 fight. And was there a sucker ounch in the 2nd fight?
IDK if the Gracies take themselves too seriously. I have never met them, but I do know ur taking this video too seriously.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 And your not taking this video serious ? To you, this peace of shit video is the ultimate proof that bjj is superior to hapkido.
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame U did not accuse Gracie of a sucker punch? "Well he DID suckerpunch him." Contradict much?
tgis video is proof that bjj is superior to hapkido? Sure. And what? Was that supposed to be a burn. Ur combacks r as weak as ur irrational hatred for brazillians & Gracies.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
Then I accuse, who cares. To me when you accuse someone, theres doubt that he is not guilty. Here im simply saying, he IS guilty if suckerpunching. Thats why im not really accusing.retard.
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame Guilty by u "unwritten" rules of fighting. And that is the stupidest logic EVER. FUCKTARD!
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 Yes unwritten rules of fighting in TOURNAMENTS. Are you so stupid that you confuse fighting on the street with that ? Its not a fucking deathmatch you stupid cunt.
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
gracies HAVE no honor. Always bathmouthing any other style, bitching when they lose (look at their reaction to sakuraba LOLLLL).
Pulling hair, suckerpunch,only post their wins etc etc.
They are Sluts
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame This honor thinng u speak of? U write the codes as well?
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 I didnt write the code of honor, its pretty much a built in in every man. Except the gracies its seems.
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame So how many deathmatches have u been in Sensei Online? How many tournaments? How did u happen upone there codes? did u google them?
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame Yes they lost in pride. So what they had guts enough to get in the ring. they r not INTERNET WARRIORS hurling insults & hiding behind a computer.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 Many has the guts to go into the ring and at the same time have honor and respect. Its nothing special going fighting in combat sport you think that alone makes me respect them ? LOL
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame Built into every Man, slut and bitch. LOL! U r 2 stupid. Rules r clearly defined in every sport.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 So he proved the superiority of BJJ BY PULLING HAIR !!??!! So he is a black belt hair puller now ?
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame Is that all u got? Blah blah blah sucker punch. blah blah blah bitch, slut, cunt. Blah blah blah hair pulling. Blah blah blah no honor...Lol.
I refute every point u have made & called u on ur stupidity. U repeat the same shit & ignore every relevant point. Black belt hair puller? OK. I guess it breaks the unwritten rules of a black belt in troller & violates the honor code of an internet warrior.
This is getting redundant.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 What more do I need ? But it seems like you like Sucker Punching and Hairpulling. But each to his own. What relevant points did you have lol, except that you think its OK to pull hair according to the rules, and you like it when a gracie win because of a sucker punch.
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 Thats not points, thats opinions.
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame blah blah blah opinion. blah blah blah hair pulling. Blah blah blah sucker punch.and on and on and on.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 Again you prove my point. You are unable to comment in any intelligent fashion. What can I say ? typical BJJ nuthuggers...Dont you have anything else to do ? Like hair to pull ? Suckers to punch ? Gracies to nuthug ?
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame LMAO! What r u talking about? Comical.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame Of course I was not saying anything intelligent! I was quoting you! LOL
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 Ok mister Hairpuller, w/e
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame U got it Keyboard Cammando!
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@cfrancisco74 This this discussion is over..and I even won it without pulling hair. Bitch
TheBestBoxingGame 1 week ago
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@TheBestBoxingGame LOL What was ur prize? World Heavy Weight Troller of the Internet World? How did u win by points?
I think someone once said, "Thats not points, thats opinions."
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame Calling guys Sluts & Bitches...Hmmm. Very telling.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame 1. This vid was taken in the 80s or 90s B 4 youtube.
2. The gracies did not post it.
3. There has been an open challenge to ALL since Helio was developing the art. He once challenged Joe Louis 2 a fight. Cherry Picking?
4. They have lost. Helios lost 2 kimura & did not try to cover it up. He incorperated the tech. & named it after his opponent.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame AND OF COURSE BJJ is not enough to be successful in MMA Bcoz it is MIXED MARTIAL ARTS. But if not for the Gracies there may not have been MMA. AND there would not have been a UFC. I will say this when u see a mma fighter in trouble getting pounded no what usually saves his ass is BJJ.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
@TheBestBoxingGame The Gracie's contributions to Martial Arts r undeniable. NO MATTER WHAT U THINK OF THEM OR HOW HARD U HATE ON THEM.
cfrancisco74 1 week ago
lol he kept grabbing rorion's nuts what a homo
JahnNeema 1 week ago
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@Rookerfy
BJJ superior than judo? how old are you kid? Do even know what BJJ is(roots) ?
Why Hélio and Valmedar got both owned easily by Kimura? And no Kimura was no giant, he was smaller than hélio and had at most 10-15 kilos advantage, and he completely owned Hélio(many eye witness told that) , its not about the art it is all about the practitioner.
PS: Jiu Jisu is Japanese, Judo is like a twin art, and BJJ is Maeda (kodokan member) Judo neowasa in a nut shell.
pkjdm 2 weeks ago
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pkjdm 2 weeks ago
Bruce Lee wouldn't have standed a chance againt Rorion Gracie!
Rookerfy 3 weeks ago
@Rookerfy
Bruce lee punch knocked the f*** out a man using a helmet made of iron...
Bruce lee side kick made one 300 lbs heavy bag touch the selling....
And he could strike as fast as light....
Imagine what would happen to Rorion if he got hitted?
Also Bruce trained grappling with Gene( a real grappling master)...
pkjdm 2 weeks ago
@pkjdm Would you have allowed gay Bruce Lee to fuck you in your ass, while he bitch slapped your mother?
Rookerfy 2 weeks ago
@pkjdm It would have been irrational for Bruce Lee to try to punch and kick against man, who is a 9th degree black belt guru in groundfighting, and has a 95% takedown rate. You must have being to retarded to not listen to the truth by Rorion, when he said that most fights end up on the ground.
Rookerfy 2 weeks ago
@Rookerfy
I just stated some facts about Bruce lee striking power.
Its irrational to try to punch or kick a good grappler? how you are going to defeat him so ? hugging and kissing? Bruce lee trained grappling with GENE LABEL do you even know who this guys is?
Bruce could tko Rorion with a single punch or kick, Rorion could submit Bruce if the fight went to the ground ... We will never know ...
pkjdm 2 weeks ago
@pkjdm It's tough to have a stand up game against a man who has a high percentage take down rate.
Rookerfy 2 weeks ago
@Rookerfy
Same way around with a guy that has good TDD, like Aldo or Chuck Liddell, fedor... etc etc..
pkjdm 2 weeks ago
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@pkjdm There's no video footage of Bruce Lee showing good take down defense against a well-trained freestyle wrestler, Greco-Roman wrestler, or black belt in ju-jitsu.
Rookerfy 2 weeks ago
@cheesemonkey1990 low quality troll
lsloewen2 3 weeks ago
@rivalpaws21 HAHAHA! thats hilarious! good point my man
RepHollywood 3 weeks ago
@SenseiGrove you need to do some research man, got to the closest GJJ school, odds are you will get to roll with the instructor. The Gracie's have made plenty of challenges. And there is no proof to back up all the cliche "multiple opponent street fight" hoopla.
lsloewen2 3 weeks ago
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@hybridcombatives "chambered punch stuff"? Its standard boxing technique to punch from the chamber, every MMA fighter who can exchange punches knows to punch from the chamber. The window of getting counter punched or taken down is exponentially smaller if your punching from the chamber, it's also how you chain you arm to you leg and hip = power punch, is not archaic at all
lsloewen2 3 weeks ago
@hybridcombatives "chambered punch stuff"? Its standard boxing technique to punch from the chamber, every MMA fighter who can exchange punches knows to punch from the chamber. The window of getting counter punched or taken down is exponentially smaller if your punching from the chamber, it's also how you chain you arm to you leg and hip = power punch, is not archaic at all
lsloewen2 3 weeks ago
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... but i wonder how effective BJJ would do against numerous aggressors. that is the average street fight, not just one on one.
SenseiGrove 4 weeks ago
@SenseiGrove It wouldn't do well at all. You would have your face kicked in with all the bullshit humping each other on the ground.
dance2noise002 3 weeks ago
what film/documentary is this clip from?
jon780 1 month ago
Thats not hapkido lol, the gracies only challenge people who cant grapple
Histruth1977 1 month ago
@Histruth1977 Hapkido isn't a grappling art either. It is essentially Tae Kwon do with Daito Ryu Aikijutsu/aikido elements infused. It maintains training in throws and joint locks but not at a full press grappling level like Brazillian jiu-litsu or submission wrestling.
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 3 weeks ago
@Histruth1977 the Gracie's aren't the ones making the challenges, its the people from other style trying to legitimize theirs by defeating someone else of another style. from what i'v heard you can't start sparring a black belt or gracie family member until you have faught some of the lower ranking students.
SenseiGrove 3 weeks ago
@asuraizen I'm sure that Hapkido instructor could have easily knocked Rorion out, it doesn't matter how powerful your strikes are, you still need a certain amount of space and an opening to use it. It's very possible for a GJJ instructor to get knocked out but the striker will have to be aware that the grappler wants to close the distance, even then, throwing a punch commits your weight forward
lsloewen2 1 month ago
@lsloewen2 thus the creation of MMA. Good close range boxing fundamentals without the chambered punch stuff of archaic traditional martial arts, and good grappling/counter grappling of jj and wrestling.
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 3 weeks ago
Humilliated!
ticosexy22 1 month ago
4th times a charm? lol
jtk159 1 month ago
Lo increíble es además que los contrincantes de los Gracie, que son maestros o expertos en sus respectivos estilos, parecen simplemente aficionados al enfrentarse a ese estilo superior.
rbrtdornel 2 months ago
What I would say is that every martial art has its pros and cons, grapplers have to be physically resilient to get into close quarters to attempt a take down. Now here if there was a person having powerful strikes where a single strike would suffice to knock the guy down... what then? Once a take down is done, yes on the ground striking would be useless, but trying to prove that one is greater than the other wouldn't be fair.
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It seems like you can't execute hapkido without your enemy's cooperation. So it kinda seems like Korean martial arts meets pro wrestling here. Are some of those fancy moves of hapkido really necessary?
kev3145 2 months ago
The funny thing is that Hapkido has a lot of ground fighting, which this "Hapkido instructor" doesn´t have at all.
Flavioxeneize 3 months ago
@Flavioxeneize I imagine ground-fighting has become more popular in Hapkido only in recent years, after the Gracies showed its usefulness in the UFC. I imagine many Hapkidoka discounted ground-fighting and emphasized only standing striking/joint-locks before the advent of MMA.
Just because it's technically in the system doesn't mean all schools will emphasize it or even teach it at all.
ThePinkMan 3 months ago
@Flavioxeneize I studied Hapkido for two years about 20 years ago. My instructors never taught us any ground fighting techniques. I just recall learning strike, as well as a lot of trips, flips, and standing wrist locks.
krnpowr 2 months ago
I love how he adds a slap to humiliate the other guy, not like the other guy is going to do anything back, unless he wants to get put to sleep or his shoulder split
CantFearWontFear 4 months ago
hahahaha. he couldn't even hit him
yusufulhas 4 months ago
I have never seen any "martial arts instructor" back pedal and then get taken sown like this, what a bullshit set up these videos are such phony shit.
bnsaints 4 months ago
Man this HKD SMF entered the fight like he was going for a semi contact fight, he didn't show any knowledge of HKD and worse he didn't show any knowledge of what to expect from a BJJ fighter.
DobieGinger 5 months ago
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this shit is like 20 years old and verified by the most trusted martial arts magazine in the world and u people are still in denial .........over 45,000 viewers on this hapkido ass whoppin alone and not one "hapkido master" to your liking...that saw this steps up and says hey i can do better..not even YOUR MASTER...people read these next words closely and obey..................................shut the fuck up...im a proud member of the gracie academy and we still accept challenges....pleeeease
whyhategetadayjob 5 months ago
this shit is like 20 years old and verified by the most trusted martial arts magazine in the world and u people are still in denial .........over 45,000 viewers on this hapkido ass whoppin alone and not one "hapkido master" to your liking...that saw this steps up and says hey i can do better..not even YOUR MASTER...people read these next words closely and obey..................................shut the fuck up...im a proud member of the gracie academy and we still accept challenges....pleeeease
whyhategetadayjob 5 months ago
this shit is like 20 years old and verified by the most trusted martial arts magazine in the world and u people are still in denial .........over 45,000 viewers on this hapkido ass whoppin alone and not one "hapkido master" to your liking...that saw this steps up and says hey i can do better..not even YOUR MASTER...people read these next words closely and obey..................................shut the fuck up...im a proud member of the gracie academy and we still accept challenges....pleeeease
whyhategetadayjob 5 months ago
the only reason gracie was able to beat him is because the instructor sucked. Hapkido in the hands of a perfect fighter is unbeatable and if theyd had a real instructor in thier gracie wouldntve stood a chance in heck plus the instructor was probably just a regular black belt gracie wouldve been taken out in a split second against a perfect hapkido grandmaster
wizardmeditation 5 months ago
My friend this is not a Hapkido instructor, he stinks, Hapkido is even more effective than BJJ on ground, try fighting a real Hapkido grandmaster, I do not know where you bring these guys from and call them Hapkido instructors
pilotl1011 5 months ago
I thought that Hapkido was mainly a grappling art? Guy looked ost on the ground.
BandakaKush 6 months ago
@BandakaKush its about throwing from aikido presure point strikes from tgms and kicks from taekwondo
xxxN1nJa5k1LZxxx 5 months ago
"..ground grappling..the most important, yet most neglected aspect of any real fight"
Well, hardly. Perhaps the most important aspect of a rules based 'cage' fight.
No gloves? Eye/groin/pressure point strikes? Biting? Let's see how the BJJ boys do then...
Great for sport, no doubt, but are you REALLY going to roll around on the ground on broken glass with other guys ready to stomp on your head?
No, didn't think so.
ninjatoolkit 6 months ago
@ninjatoolkit You are forgeting the first rule of any martial artist. That you must always be AWARE of your surroundings. If you are fighting multiple attackers the obvious thing to do would be to not go to the. But what if you are getting taken down? Jiu Jistu can help prevent that.
BandakaKush 6 months ago
@ninjatoolkit No gloves? You mean like in this video? Didn't seem to be a problem.
Pressure point strikes? Legal in MMA.
Biting/Eye-gouging/groin attack? BJJ guy can do them too. Also, it didn't help the Hapkido guy here.
Glass? BJJ guy is going to be on top like in this video, so the one who'll have to deal with it is his opponent.
Multiple opponents? It's not like his friends are going to let you beat him up on your feet, either.
ThePinkMan 6 months ago
@ThePinkMan I think you misunderstand me- this is an 'exhibition' fight, with rules [see 0:45 'out of desperation he tries to....']
Similar rules apply in all the variants of 'cage combat' that I'm aware of- they are sports, albeit sports with highly skilled competitors. They are NOT lethal fights.
Clearly BJJ is highly effective in the sports arena but in the real world? Have a look at footage of real world fights- they don't go to the ground.
ninjatoolkit 6 months ago
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@ninjatoolkit you've never been in a real fight.
knownpornographer 5 months ago
@ninjatoolkit
I train military and police. Fights do go to the ground. Even highly trained fighters get taken down. Another point is that a grappler understands balance and base and has a lower chance of being taken down then someone who doesn't. In a case where they do they can get back up easier. There are multiple street fighting videos online. Go watch them for yourself. Majority go to the ground and if they don;t you can see that someone with training could easily take them there.
Ilanactingreel 5 months ago
LOL. All you bjj pro's... Point is. With your bjj you would not have stood a chance vs gracie either. :P
The guy was good. That is it.
mizmera 6 months ago
@mizmera Uhhhh that isnt the point, They didnt put the best fighters against them for these confrontations in fact they usually put up the younger, smaller weaker gracies (which in most other martial is considered an inferior fighter) to prove that there styles show a totally new unheard of and effective way of fighting and exposed all the BS about martial arts :P
k00lkane 6 months ago
@k00lkane - I understand what you are saying, but what you forget is that to those fighters surprised them. Do you really think somebody with karate and experience in fighting somebody with bjj would end up like that? Will not happen like that. They also showed bjj vs knife... got knifed about 30 times while the bjj guy tried a take down. Do you know how many bjj guys have been knocked out? Does that mean the other style is better? NO. Just means he was good.
mizmera 6 months ago
@mizmera your comment is a little old but I just have to tell you something: Karate alone is typically a stand up martial art and even with a lot of fighting experience a karate-only fighter will end up on the ground just the same. A common pattern in fighting is 2 fighters trade blows, clinch up, then go to the ground. And the vast majority of karate instructors only teach the tag-sparring crap. And a knife against any unarmed martial artist only results in the unarmed martial artist's death.
amerexile001 5 months ago
@amerexile001 - Point taken. But I would suggest not trying to go down if you were ever confronted with a knife or been faced by 2 attackers.
mizmera 4 months ago
@mizmera While anyone will agree that you shouldn't go down to the ground at all in a fight outside of the ring (even the Gracies will say this), the point in learning a grappling art is that you will be prepared if you are taken down to the ground. You see all these strikers claiming that they will never be taken down, but they end up being taken down because they are too used to the rules of their own school (no take downs or ground fighting).
And thanks for responding kindly. :)
amerexile001 4 months ago
@amerexile001 - So true. Interesting that most of the damn classes you get from tae kwon do, karate, etc teaches you how to fight against the same type of combat. And in this lies the problem. This is why karateka get taken down easily by bjj. They dont know what they are up against.
mizmera 4 months ago
@amerexile001 I have been in a lot of street fights when I was in high school. I grew up in a ruff area in Oakland California. And 90% of the fights Ive seen men or women ended on the ground. Even when you look at youtube street fights you will see this ALL the time. The cool thing about Bjj is most of the movies you can do standing off a clinch. My little brother got jumped by 3 guys. He choked out the 1st. Broke the 2nd 1 arm(kimura) & broke the 3rd leg heelhook. All this in less then a min.
b7r7u7c7e 4 months ago
@b7r7u7c7e No offense but your brother is either a prodigy in bjj or was the least capable guys ever, because just in the time it would take someone to get the choke and put their opponent to sleep, even if he is very good, would be more than enough time to be smashed in the head, and get stomped on or kicked on the ground. The truth is bjj is very good for some situations, and very bad for others, like multiple opponents and or weapons
themi90 3 months ago
@themi90 Fact is if your a prodigy in boxing, Wrestling, judo, kung fu, Karete etc multiple attacks will always put you in bad position. The problem with stand up types of Martial Arts is that alot of guys think they CAN take on multiple guys. They think there Bruce Lee that can take 50 guys. lolFrom what ive seen from being out in the street is if you dont know some basic wrestling, or clinch fighting your done. I think the best combo is boxing and wrestling for self defense. Basic & effective
b7r7u7c7e 3 months ago
@b7r7u7c7e I agree completely, multiple guys are always a big problem, for anyone, and you should no a grappling art to be well rounded, I'm just saying that being well rounded and prepared means knowing more that bjj. That's all.
themi90 3 months ago
The best thing the Gracies did was to expose all the BS that was in martial arts. Some traditional martial artists, like these Hapkido guys were con-men who tricked people into paying hundreds or even thousands of dollars to learn what amounted to dancing instead of self defense. The Gracies are heroes in my book.
KingBedlam 6 months ago 19
Ditto!
IceVikingDeathGrip 6 months ago
@KingBedlam Awesome comment.
JohnBigmon 6 months ago
@KingBedlam hapkido is korean. its stolen from the japanese aikido . so ofc its bullshit
ulkord 4 months ago
@KingBedlam I don't think this guy was a con-man. Con-men seldom respond to fight challenges and virtually never seek out opponents who they don't know if they can beat.
So I don't think he was a con-man, just ignorant of his own limitations like many martial artists were and still are.
ThePinkMan 2 months ago
@KingBedlam I bet anything that Steven Seagal could beat any of the Gracie brothers. Real Martial arts are battle feld tested, not octogon tested.
cheesemonkey1990 3 weeks ago
Hapkido was the first art i trainned in, & then TKD, then later, Wing-Chung. Out of the 3 i think Wing-Chung was the most effective but difficult stlye to learn. I'm to old in my mid 40's to train in ground fighting. Any art that is taken seriously can be effective, & no one system is greater than the other. It's the fighter & motivation that he has. Ground fighting looks boaring, but not to be taken for granted.
rickames 6 months ago
El desafío Gracie fue el verdadero orígen del UFC y por supuesto de las diferentes variantes de las Artes Marciales Mixtas; fue la adaptación del "Vale Tudo" a los EE.UU.
rbrtdornel 6 months ago
@miracleboy1
And what martial art would you choose for the fantasy scenario? Hip throws, knee on belly, super slap, clinch controls, controlling distance, front and side kicks, bear-hug and various hold defenses, getting up in base, all effective techniques (to name some basics!) against a mugging with multiple opponents scenario, all have been in the GJJA curriculum from the very beginning, verifiable by GrandMaster Helio Gracie's book
lsloewen2 6 months ago
what if he will face a wudang kung fu instructor... no rules but a real fight....
volikoto 6 months ago
LOL, a who?? Have you watched any of the UFC fights? Basically, that's your answer :)
IceVikingDeathGrip 6 months ago
That's right Hapkido guy stretch out! Don't forget the neck because ur neck is about to be strecthed out! ASSHOLE!
cfrancisco74 6 months ago
Damn that Hapkido guy was hard headed lol!
harr77 7 months ago
Hapkido rockin the blue Crocs!
gaBehcuoDsuoitneterP 7 months ago
jujitsu is the only martial art that effectively trains for ground combat? Somebody better go explain this to Kazushi Sakuraba who is a catch-as-catch-can wrestler ( and beat several Gracies )
oeyesea 7 months ago
Now that MMA fighters have learned how to defend themselves against Jujitsu techniques, Jujitsu has become like the Kenpo Karate instructor as far as being a one trick pony is concerned. An expertise in Jujitsu alone is no longer enough to stay competitive in MMA where you now need to be well rounded, as over the years more and more Gracies have found out the hard way.
benthemiester 7 months ago
@benthemiester Agreed. Though some may not want to admit it, majority of MMA fights in the last 10 years result in KO more than submission. Not because BJJ sucks, on the contrary. It's because strikers have learned to adapt to groundfighting and at the very least develop a serviceable ground defense. Rather than knock it, they accept it as part of the game and learn how to roll with it so they can play to their strengths. Adapt and overcome, as my sensei says.
deek77 7 months ago
@deek77 Yes, but dont get me wrong, I have respect for all the martial arts. Its just that MMA is a recent fusion and is still foreign to some of hardcore traditionalist, but thats changing. Progress is a good thing. The fighters now days are the best Iv'e ever seen.
I have video tapes that go back to when they had to do this in secret, and even the audience didn't know where the event was going to take place until the last minute.
benthemiester 7 months ago
@benthemiester Totally agree, and I didn't take you wrong at all. Just agreeing with you that the most important part of unarmed combat isn't what system you use, but how you can adapt to different things. What's interesting is the great warriors of the past were ones that either learned several ways to fight and/or knew to fight against several ways. Samurai, for example, were famous for katana but were skilled in 26 methods of armed and unarmed combat.
deek77 6 months ago
Thank god i discovered BJJ now, at 16 years old, so i didn't waste my time in an inferior martial art
JordForster 7 months ago
@JordForster i started at 16 u will be a bad man if u take it serious and spare with it as much as possible i got good by fighting ppl who was 15-25lbs more then me'
MrSilent937 7 months ago
@JordForster I have also discovered BJJ 6 years ago & i am a 3 stripe Purple belt. I love BJJ as much as any1 & i'd be the first to tell U that there is no such thing AS AN INFERIOR MARTIAL ART. Every single Martial Art has a weakness. It is about the ARTIST & how well he/she can use his/her discipline to the best of his/her ability. If your Martial art does not emphasize kicks, punches, knees & elbows, thats a weakness. If ur Martial art does not emphasize ground techniques, That's a weakness.
kanguesso 7 months ago
@kanguesso Thank you so much for saying that. I've been in karate 17 years, also learning some judo on the side, and I have come to the same conclusion. No such thing as best or worst martial art, each art has weaknesses, because each person has weaknesses. How can an imperfect person develop an perfect art? But they can develop an art form that fits them, and even then our bodies change over time, so we'll always have something to improve on. Thanks again.
deek77 7 months ago
@deek77 You're welcome.
kanguesso 7 months ago
rorion you da man...wish i lived in cali so i can train at your gym...you da man
mattyblues101 7 months ago
i fuckin love how they cant understand they have no chance against bjj
eddiereyes1988 7 months ago 22
@eddiereyes1988 i dont like how you say that bjj is superior to every single martial art... which is not the truth
ulkord 4 months ago
@ulkord Yea, tell that to a Gracie....Before MMA it was Jiu Jitsu vs everything else and Jiu Jitsu was usally comin out on top thats why we have the UFC today cause as you can see it changed that whole game.
eddiereyes1988 4 months ago
@eddiereyes1988 lol i do jiu jitsu myself but still i dont believe its superior to any other martial art...
ulkord 4 months ago
@ulkord and why is that
eddiereyes1988 4 months ago
I would love to spar against one of the gracy's. Not because I think I might win. But because I think I might learn something.
Outragedjoker 7 months ago
I love it how some people claim, Gracie/Brazilian JJ haters say it's useless against multiple opponents. In reality, ALL fighting styles are useless against multiple opponents. When Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, or Steven Seagal beat up a group of attackers, remember this: IT'S A MOVIE. It's CHOREOGRAPHED. If multiple people wanted to fight me, I'd get the hell out. The beautiful thing about BJJ is that it gives us little guys a chance against big guys.
hondaciviccoupe10 8 months ago
@hondaciviccoupe10 not muay thai thats great for multiple opponents just thing inside leg kick (knee out of place) teep (knocked over) headkick (knockout) then fight whose left however if these guys are trained you'd probably be screwed
limbylooms 7 months ago
It's a REAL shame for a master to be defeated in his own training ground, in front of all of his students... He couldn't even give a kick!
Papillonmx 8 months ago
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Papillonmx 8 months ago
@jpd782
Thanks for the support, glad your safe after doing that. I once was in a friendly sparring match and got body slammed while on the opponents back, most of his 200 lbs body weight landed on my groin and I had a ruptured testicle (everything I ok now) but the point is, amidst the massive pain I was able to finish even a friendly sparring match with a submission even after probably the worlds worst groin strike
lsloewen2 8 months ago
Dirty fighting tactics are bad strategies, simply put. Any hold can be escaped from with a leverage based JJ technique, dirty fighting techniques usually will just infuriate your opponent, if dirty fighting techniques were the ultimate finishing move, why don't we hear more about rapes, murders, robberies that are countered with a simple groin strike?
lsloewen2 8 months ago
@lsloewen2 That's true. I worked Loss Prevention (Under Cover Security) I was in a few very violent fights with shoplifters. One was an buffed ex con fresh out of prison stealing a bottle Tequila. Since we could not strike. I had to rely on my BJJ training. No matter how tough they were, I was always able to submit them.
jpd782 8 months ago
@ miracleboy1
Your a armchair martial artist, if your claims were true, you wouldn't be able to make them. GJJ is highly effective in every setting and anyone who has actually been in street fights knows better.
lsloewen2 8 months ago
@lsloewen2 You are a youtube yakuza. You have never been in a fight outside of the childrens class in your dojo. I never claimed to be a master but I have used my training to save my live. Gracie Jujitsu may be effective but only an idiot would not concede that it is too commital in a multiple attacker, fight for your life urban situation.
miracleboy1 7 months ago
Cool full split from the Hapkido Black belt before the match? Rorion was like "WTF... like that's going do you any good"
ramrod20042000 8 months ago
I am by no means a master but my training has saved my life and the life of others on the street. The ruthless application of dirty tactics has served me well and has served me well. Conditioning from my training has enabled me to apply these tactics. BJJ is cool but in an urban street situation give me a few months of high school wrestling over BJJ any day. Being body slamed on concrete ends a conflict faster than squirming around in the guard for 20 minuets.
miracleboy1 8 months ago
@DoctorKhajavs Out of all the comments that I made the only thing you can focus on is the mount not involving putting balls in someones mouth, I will take that as a compliment. These are not "old arguments" this is the reality of a street fight. I have seen "grapplers stomped" in a crowded violent situation. I am no bad ass but I am no slouch either. BJJ has it's place but there is a reason the Gracies train in boxing and Muy Thai, BJJ by itself is not enough.
miracleboy1 8 months ago
@DoctorKhajavs "Have I ever trained BJJ" Foolish question why would I need to? The real question is have you been in a real street fight? I have numerous times. I even have a citation from a local youth center for protecting some of their kids who were in harms way from an armed assailant. I also have spared with some BJJ guys and I've won some and lost some wrestlers have given me the most trouble. It is their superior strength and forward aggression that is hard to overcome.
miracleboy1 8 months ago