i wonder, the USA are so busy with Iran... But if the Indian ''democratic'' government beat the shit out of its population, then they do nothing,, neither do UN... WTF? How are we supposed to trust these capitalist pigs??
The U.S. has an extremely violent labor history: Ludlow Massacre: 25 Dead, 2 Women, 11 Children, Ford Massacre at River Rouge: Detroit police & Ford Guards gun down 4 men. West Virginia Coal Miners War: (largest armed insurrection in the U.S. since the American Civil War... The list goes on and on, and on. We would hope that India would be spared such horrible labor violence, but I guess not. Such is the nature of the eternal battle between Labor and Capital?
"the inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings, the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery" Winston Churchill.
Read Wikipedia. India was miserably socialist until 1991, then living standards in urban areas shot up dramatically after embrace of capitalism. the living standards in the rural areas only increased marginally, thats why so many people here are angry. Relative wealth indicator>>>>income inequality indicator
@TheDeathstarrr Hahahaha Do you take this phrase serious? "Equal sharing of misery" regarding socialism is pure common sense and disinformation. Socialism isn't even for equal sharing of wealth! Just people with zero knowledge on socialism can state such a thing. You should study Marx, Engels and Lenin more, dude. And the history of socialist countries, specially Stakhanovism. :)
@xRHYDDERCHx Oh, the rhetoric. "study socialism more seriously" yes I have studied about Marxism before, about diaclectic materialism and that, about workers cooperatives, oh but i ask you: if you were born in the bourgeoisie, would you have been the scion of compassion and started sharing your wealth? thought so. In fact, you are not even doing it right now with people poorer than you. You dont need government to form a commune, oh but wait, you have to force us. Pathetic.
@TheDeathstarrr You can't explain why India was socialist, so you say "oh rhetoric". There are no ifs in our world, dude, and "sharing wealth with the poor" is reformist capitalism. But you ask: why don't I share my "wealth"? Well, because it won't change anything in the world! It keeps things (the economics, politics, the State, and so on) the way they are at a medium term.
Who forced you to form a commune? No one forces anybody to form one, for it to be called commune. lol
@xRHYDDERCHx Then why do you say the death of the president was justified? Did it make the world a better place? nope, it only caused more misery and suffering.
So in your rosy view of socialism, there is no such thing as "state socialism"?
Why arent you trying to form your commune with other like minded folk? Why must you start a "revolution" against people who dont want socialism? Precisely, if you murdered all the bourgeoisie and seized their property,
@TheDeathstarrr This action alone, not, but it's part of a current revolutionary proccess in India that, yes, will make at least India a better place for the majority of the Indians. Understand something, dude, it's not the murder of all ruling individuals that make a revolution, it's the seizing of political power from an oppressed social class, the end of a political-economical system and the beginning of another.
@xRHYDDERCHx I guessed i misjudged communists then. i have had very distasteteful experiences with heralds of marxism before, one of them an arrogant professor. i am still a supporter of capitalism, but lets see how another country adapts socialism, and pray that it does NOT degenerate into another USSR or China.
@TheDeathstarrr Indeed. I also had arrogant capitalist professors (some still dare to defend the Military Dictatorship), but these are personal issues and can't interfere in our views.
Instead of you, I pray that it become like USSR or China were at least for some decades: socialist superpower achieving lots of advancements in the material, cultural, and social conditions of the working people.
@xRHYDDERCHx But remember, even when these countries became advanced, they had little or no human rights, any human was expendable for the greater good. They can use media suppression, disinformation to make people unaware of anything. Thats why maos great famine occurred and people in other parts of China didnt even know what was going on. The Chernobyl plant was cleaned by workers with little or no radiation protection, and many suffered radiation scars afterward. Be careful.
@TheDeathstarrr Their advancements were bigger in human rights, at least within the considered time, since in capitalism "human rights" is only another form taken by anticommunist propaganda. This so-called "human rights" are the right for imperialists to subjugate, sabotage, block and sanction countries they consider to be "evil"; the right to profit through exploitation, to make one's economy and politics all in the hands of capitalists. (continue)
@TheDeathstarrr Soviet Russia was the 1st to ban racism and male chauvinism, give women the right of abortion, also one of the 1st to give them the right to vote, workers were treated with the deserved respect and not as mere profiting machines, prisoners were obligated to productive work to later come back to society as respectable citizens (at the same time in USA prisoners used to work with iron balls attached to their feet, with no rehabilitation system) (continue)
@TheDeathstarrr The Soviet press were transforming, each day, into the most democratic tool of education and organisation of the masses the world had seen. The total circulation of newspapers being published in the country raised from 9,400,00 in 1928 to 36,500,00 in 1933. In every district newspapers of local radius were edited, about 3,000 of the political section of machine and tractor stations and more than 1,000 from factories and enterprises, with big circulation (cont)
@TheDeathstarrr In 1932, USSR too, things were published in 88 languages. Radio broadcasting had a big impulsion, transformed into a means of cultural publicising in between workers and peasants, a linkage between the people and the State, the cities and the countryside, the incorporation of peasants into the culture of urban population.
And some dare to speak about "media suppression"...
@TheDeathstarrr One of the needs for communism is the development of productive forces; the Soviets learned it and soon the Chinese learned too. And Mao was one of those leading this development campaign, thus ending the famine. Doing otherwise would be what we communists call leftism: dogmatism, ultra-extremism, etc. And, look what's more interesting: Mao was not within this group, instead he was one of the people fighting them inside the party. (continue)
@TheDeathstarrr Chernobyl? The disaster was caused by technical mistakes in its development, it has nothing to do with politics or economy, but physics...
@TheDeathstarrr In the 80's, USA, there were cases of innocent people being sentenced of 30+ years and paying of fines, like Pennsylvania Treasurer Budd Dweimer, who was framed and was going for a maximum sentence of 55 years and payment of 300,000 USD. He committed suicide one day before his sentencing and talked about "American gulag" in his speech. Though, the maximum sentences of GULAG prisoners were usually 5 (FIVE) years. (Continue...)
@xRHYDDERCHx This is where I come to dislike the communist countries. The government officials IN REALITY actually BECOME the new capitalist class. They dictate what you eat, where you sleep, how much food they give you, then turn around and say "the landlords are dead, the vast wealth of this nation will be used to feed the people!!!!!"
All the time living in lavish mansions similar to an aristocracy. Elitism, under the guise of populism. The Tsars could have done the same.
@TheDeathstarrr No, they're not. There's no capitalist class if the country's political-economy model is not capitalism. And bureaucrats don't constitute a class.
@TheDeathstarrr The statistics of Jan/1940 are the following: up to 5 ys, 56,8% - 5 to 10 ys, 42,2% - more than 10 ys, 1,0%. For the year of 1939 we have the statistics from USSR tribunals. The distribution of prison sentences follow: up to 5 ys, 95,9% - 5 to 10 ys, 4,0% - more than 10 ys, 0,1%. There was an obvious increase during WW2, and Nazis suffering abuse from police officers in the GULAG. Stalin intervened some times in defence of these prisoners human rights.
@xRHYDDERCHx I do not deny what is happening in the US, that the police state is increasing, thanks to two rather nasty presidents, but i doubt prisoner treatment in America is worse than in the USSR. I would be pleased If you could link me to what you said about the gulags. Waterboarding IS torture, but its the most benign. Another thing is that people cite isolated cases of oppression under capitalism, but under communism we are talking hundreds of thousands in the Great Purge.
@TheDeathstarrr Also about GULAG, the maximum number of prisoners was of 2.5 million during WW2 (and let's remember way too many millions were involved in this war). That was before the 50's, but in 2007, in USA, the richest country of the world and considered by many ignorant people as "model of democracy", the number of prisoners were 7 million. Bush also defended the use of "alternative interrogatory measures", i.e., torture, by the CIA.
@xRHYDDERCHx Thats a lot of information you gave me, but you see, when Stalin was in power, even the people in other parts of Russia didnt know when the great Ukrainian famine occurred, killing 7-10 million people alone, or the tens of thousands of civilians and party officials killed during the Great Purge, the Holodomor had a lot of man made factors included. Same goes for Maos great famine, 30+ million people, gone in 3 years, thanks to mismanagement. And no one even knew.
@xRHYDDERCHx Wikipedia puts the estimates of the deaths from communist regimes at the range of 85-100 million. Thats even higher than the total deaths of WW2. You are right, they progressed significantly, but didnt capitalist countries in Europe do the same? And we never know how many people disappeared, because the bureaucrats can easily misle the public, having the control of the media.
@xRHYDDERCHx This is where I come to dislike the communist countries. The government officials IN REALITY actually BECOME the new capitalist class. They dictate what you eat, where you sleep, how much food they give you, then turn around and say "the landlords are dead, the vast wealth of this nation will be used to feed the people!!!!!"
All the time living in lavish mansions similar to an aristocracy. Elitism, under the guise of populism. The Tsars could have done the same.
@TheDeathstarrr The invervention only defines the "degree of economic liberalism", but can't define if one country is socialist or capitalist. Why would I form a commune and live like everything is good, when millions of people are suffering "out there" from capitalist exploitation? What's more, any actions like these (which already happened in my country, idea of anarchists...) resulted in reprehension from "outside" and the consequent end of the communes.
...that is, forming alternative societies have no practical effect on the working class. It has an effect on some utopian individuals until the alternative "society" (it seems more like a reclusion camp) is disbanded from the really existing society. I'm not an utopian who follows Robert Owen, or an anarchist. Please, don't mix Marxism with this kind of newbie things.
@xRHYDDERCHx The increase in wealth of each "working class" would be so small its negligible. It will only serve to assuage your inner envy, and thats it.
@TheDeathstarrr When we say "study Marxism" we're saying: read what the own Marxists said and are saying. If you stay believing that Churchill shit, you'll never know what socialism is about. It's really easy to discover, for example, that Marxism is not for egalitarianism. If you did studied Marxism, then you should know one of our mottos: people must be remunerated according to its ability and productivity.
@TheDeathstarrr Why do you say India was socialist? Maybe you think your so-called "socialism" also applies to my country, Brazil, because a party called Worker's Party is in power? Where there's a capitalist economical structure, there's capitalism, NOT socialism. India always threatened the worker's, socialist, communist movements, specially the Maoists, in behalf of capitalists.
"Read Wikipedia", what the fuck? Sorry, I base my knowledge on reality.
@TheDeathstarrr Why would it be? What's their definition of "socialism"? Socialdemocracy, not equal to, socialism; socialdemocracy, equal to, capitalism with social reforms.
@TheDeathstarrr Intervention of the State on economy is not equal to socialism. It happens in every capitalist country in varying degrees and ocasions, what we can say about India before 1991 is that it wasn't - comparing to other capitalist countries - very liberal, or neoliberal.
Was USA socialist, then, when US government applied the New Deal? Is the Welfare State socialist? Like what happened in India, they were protecting capitalism, not creating socialism/communism.
Maoist Rebel News News Just when you thought Krugman couldn't get stupider. Encouraging people to murder their bosses below, lulz! Terrorism, Copyright violation, and lack of knowledge the three things Krugman brags about.
@Bearlizard777 Exactly when did i promote killing your boss? I didn't even take a side in the video, I never gave any statement pro or con you idiot. If you had half the brain you pretend to, you'd know you just made a false statement about what I said.
@MaoistRebelNews2 You took a side in the description, Kugman. I'm not stupid enough to fall for your bullshit. You got a lot of people here that don't like you because of you copyright abuse, plagiarism lack of knowledge on econ and politics as I point out in my video. On My little pony the show may show love and kindness but it is also anticommunist watch return of harmony and you will see what I mean.
India is now home to one of the most powerful Marxist movements in the world and working class consciousness is growing by leaps and bounds. I would expect a revolution sometime in the next twenty to thirty years.
@AtheismCentral Actually, I'm thinking that India is screwed either way. It has a caste system that is steeped in centuries old religious tradition and it has an overpopulation problem with many illiterate and malnourished people that is also due to the superstitious caste system propagating from generations to generations.
@AllahElShaitan It's not hypocrisy, it's pure logical thinking; and a matter of what side you are on the class struggle. To ever defend a capitalist just because he was killed (consequence of exploitation), now that is shameful.
Destabilisation of unions, with the killing of a union leader for example, damages the working class. But also it makes class consciousness grow between them, so those workers answered. Every action leads to some reaction. ;)
socialism means less competition, we aren't gonna see a lot of advancements this way
but capitalism is even worst, today's capitalism society is more like Corporatism, look at all the monopolies in canada..we have 3 isps who signed agreements not to compete with each other ffs...this is one of the reason why so many are poor
@AznDuD333 Then why did the USSR have so many technological advancements before the USA did? Medical advancements? How is it that open-source programs like Linux are innovating every aspect of computer technology even though there is no profit motive? If anything, competition limits innovation and advancement.
@FlairPhoenix Yeah, for example, they were pioneers in space science and the museum of science and technology in Moscow exhibits lots of inventions MOSTLY from the Soviet times. Socialism is more capable of bringing more useful innovations to society because it's not moved by money and greed. And what's more, in USSR there was Stakhanovism, which was a "motivation system" granting bonuses to hard-working people who produced beyond their daily individual plan.
@FlairPhoenix ...As opposed to capitalist countries, workers in socialism receive according to their work. That AznDuD333 has no fucking idea of what he's talking about, like anyone who dare to defend capitalism.
@FlairPhoenix It's not competition what limits innovation. If competition is controlled, like what happens when there's the "socialist emulation", no fight happen between producers. But if the political-economical system allows profiting though production of capital, extraction of surplus-value...then competition is bad. Capitalists naturally tend to form monopolies; produce things only for profit, most not corresponding to propaganda; use cheap toxic ingredients to reduce costs, etc
@AznDuD333 you should mvoe to an island somehwer ein the middle of no where then if you want to be "free". Because apprently socialism isn't perfect enough for you
I spent most of my childhood growing up in northern India, where I grew up, dalits were used as slave labor. Voluntarism was a lie, workers were faced with a choice between watching their families starve or working for next to nothing long grueling hours in often inhumane and unsanitary conditions just so their children could afford bread.
Pay was typically the least amount employers could get away with paying.
"I said the police have a right to use force on the workers if they initiated it."
Only they didn't initiate it. Years of terrible working conditions, poverty, abuse, and no future lead up to them just raising their feet, and stomping some petty bourgeois head. That just burns your right wing ass, doesn't it? It pisses you off to no end to see poor people taking back control in their life.
@JimProfitCommunist Oh gasp!! What is there to be pissed off about? You communists moan about the injustices and oppression of the Third World, but ignore the homeless people in your neighbourhood, and think that everyone on the Right despises poor people and love the "bourgeoisie".Tell me now, are those workers lives going to be any better, after they exacted revenge? No, its going to be a lot worse.
@JimProfitCommunist You see, that is the real irony of socialism, sure, its not going to cause any income inequality problems, or exploitation, but its going to make everyone suffer miserably if a central planner screws up, while government bureaucrats live fabulously. There is NO system in this world that can bring mass prosperity in a short time, because economic scarcity will always be inherent. They didnt deserve to die, but what can we do?
The U.S. has an extremely violent labor history: Ludlow Massacre: 25 Dead, 2 Women, 11 Children. Ford Massacre at River Rouge: Detroit police & Ford Guards gun down 4 men. West Virginia Coal Miners War: (largest armed insurrection in the U.S. since the American Civil War... The list goes on and on, and on. We would hope that India would be spared such horrible labor violence, but I guess not. Such is the nature of the constant battle between Labor and Capital.
"But but - class antagonisms don't exist! Class antagonisms are the product of the STATE, meaning in REAL capitalism they wouldn't exist! ZOMGRONPAUL2012."
@BuecherFuerAlle They have various moist/marxist/communist movements whom operate under the umbrella of Naxalabri/Naxals/Naxalite's who have been waging both political and military campaigns against the inherent corruption of the indian state, which the state have classed as terrorists though internationally they are not regarded as such.
@MaoistRebelNews2 Do you think Nationality should include a minimum and a maximum like rich poor bounds or do you think personal wealth should be more equal.
Im sure these workers were having it worse, living in grinding poverty everyday, before taking up the job. The police did the justified thing, if you want to protest, do it peacefully, otherwise suffer the consequences. Rich people dont use violence on the poor, they do it on themselves. Even if you spread the wealth of every "bourgeoisie" in the US to the other 300 million people they get at most another 10000 dollars. Its not a "contradiction of capitalism"
@waltermh111 But oh no, you keep complaining the rich "hoard" too much money and not spreading it around, when the irony is it is communists that do the least of the wealth sharing. Have you sold your computer or mobile phone and used it to feed the nearest homeless man? No you didnt, which . If you dont do it, then why should anyone else? We already have a welfare state, redistributing income.
@waltermh111 Oh, the rhetoric accusation of me being a Nazi, sociopath and a troll. A great indicator of a Marxist. Blimey.
I dont oppose unions, I said the police have a right to use force on the workers if they initiated it. Tell me now my glorious comrade, would their lives be any better under a socialist system? India was socialist until the 80s, and it wasnt a "workers paradise" either.
@GodOfTheInternets Now i didnt say I was supporting the death of the union leader, or condemning the general idea of unions did I? Its not like the company president paid the police to assassinate him. the blame rests where its due, in the hands of the police officer, should be tried for murder. The death of the president was unprecedented, they could have gone on mass strikes against the company until he relented.
@TheDeathstarrr Why not the police used force against the owner when he initiated it? Well, because he was the owner! The police protects the bourgeoisie in capitalist countries. India was never socialist.
That owner was killed because he was an oppressor, something lesser than dumbass shit; as a consequence of capitalist exploitation there's rebellion from the working class, so he had it coming and deserved it.
@xRHYDDERCHx Dont say "India was never socialist".
It was for some time.
Im sorry, socialism isnt going to make food rain from the sky and everyones living standards to go up magically, it has always been poor, always been oppressed thanks to the British empire and the overpopulation.
Before you described the backlash, I was about to say "this is no doubt gonna lead to some pretty anti worker/union backlash. I can see strong combination laws being put in place".
The murder of the president is still wrong, but this shows that, in the eyes of the media, a rich mans life is worth much, much more than that of a poor man. It wasnt really justified to use violence, but in a way he had it coming, if he was really treating his workers like shit.
@pulsatingremedy no i don't I hate it when people ask for too much money. If there are 10000s of people that can do a job you and you need one of them you dont pay him 100s of dollars its supply and demand!
@InvincibleNumanist I'm not entirely sure but i think the company owner paid for the land because that seems to be the way people get land. And as for the people maybe they don't have education so they can't get a good job or maybe it is just bad luck they were in the wrong place at the wrong time but if everyone got paid the same wage like you communists want then everyone will be in poverty not just some people in this world + nothing new will ever be invented.
@drunkglitch Differences in wages have origins in system of exploitation of third world and transferring these stolen sources to first world where are economical and political centers of imperialism and thanks that people in west belongs to 20% the wealthiest population in the world. Overpaid first worlders aren't radical like third world workers. Imperialists are safe in first world and they can focus on third world.
@stureremil1942 give it a few years and countries like india and china will have more money than places like america. Why? Because they don't pay there workers ridiculously high wages!
@stureremil1942 LOL you contradict yourself if millions had work they would all be paid fuck all. I hope you are looking forward to seeing your quality of life declining under this "communist party"
@drunkglitch My quality of life will decline, because I'm citizen of imperialist European Union and thanks central states I take some part of surplus value that was created in third world thanks exploitation of workers by west corporations, but most people from third world will be richer.
@drunkglitch fuck you unions are designed to make working conditions safe and gives you more money. if you dont like it move to china asshole republican scum
@ComradeCody no they are designed to rip off the money of the government by paying someone 10x more than what they are worth when western governments are already in shit loads of debt
excuse me? arent you capitalists always the ones talking about how value is subjective?
Yet somehow you can determine what theyre worth.
Thats the whole point in collectie bargaining, so that both persons in the transaction can actually come to an agreement on the wage.
Youre probably gonna say its "freedom" because of supposed property rights but where did those property arrangements originate? colonianism, expulsion, the use of the law.
@ComradeCody no they are designed to rip off the money of the government by paying someone 10x more than what they are worth when western governments are already in shit loads of debt
@ComradeCody no they are designed to rip off the money of the government by paying someone 10x more than what they are worth when western governments are already in shit loads of debt
i wonder, the USA are so busy with Iran... But if the Indian ''democratic'' government beat the shit out of its population, then they do nothing,, neither do UN... WTF? How are we supposed to trust these capitalist pigs??
TheDanishMarxist 1 month ago
The U.S. has an extremely violent labor history: Ludlow Massacre: 25 Dead, 2 Women, 11 Children, Ford Massacre at River Rouge: Detroit police & Ford Guards gun down 4 men. West Virginia Coal Miners War: (largest armed insurrection in the U.S. since the American Civil War... The list goes on and on, and on. We would hope that India would be spared such horrible labor violence, but I guess not. Such is the nature of the eternal battle between Labor and Capital?
CosmicFork 1 month ago 2
That's the product of capitalism: unequity, resentment and violence.
giancarlo3000 1 month ago
"the inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings, the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery" Winston Churchill.
Read Wikipedia. India was miserably socialist until 1991, then living standards in urban areas shot up dramatically after embrace of capitalism. the living standards in the rural areas only increased marginally, thats why so many people here are angry. Relative wealth indicator>>>>income inequality indicator
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr Hahahaha Do you take this phrase serious? "Equal sharing of misery" regarding socialism is pure common sense and disinformation. Socialism isn't even for equal sharing of wealth! Just people with zero knowledge on socialism can state such a thing. You should study Marx, Engels and Lenin more, dude. And the history of socialist countries, specially Stakhanovism. :)
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@xRHYDDERCHx Oh, the rhetoric. "study socialism more seriously" yes I have studied about Marxism before, about diaclectic materialism and that, about workers cooperatives, oh but i ask you: if you were born in the bourgeoisie, would you have been the scion of compassion and started sharing your wealth? thought so. In fact, you are not even doing it right now with people poorer than you. You dont need government to form a commune, oh but wait, you have to force us. Pathetic.
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr You can't explain why India was socialist, so you say "oh rhetoric". There are no ifs in our world, dude, and "sharing wealth with the poor" is reformist capitalism. But you ask: why don't I share my "wealth"? Well, because it won't change anything in the world! It keeps things (the economics, politics, the State, and so on) the way they are at a medium term.
Who forced you to form a commune? No one forces anybody to form one, for it to be called commune. lol
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@xRHYDDERCHx Then why do you say the death of the president was justified? Did it make the world a better place? nope, it only caused more misery and suffering.
So in your rosy view of socialism, there is no such thing as "state socialism"?
Why arent you trying to form your commune with other like minded folk? Why must you start a "revolution" against people who dont want socialism? Precisely, if you murdered all the bourgeoisie and seized their property,
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr This action alone, not, but it's part of a current revolutionary proccess in India that, yes, will make at least India a better place for the majority of the Indians. Understand something, dude, it's not the murder of all ruling individuals that make a revolution, it's the seizing of political power from an oppressed social class, the end of a political-economical system and the beginning of another.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@xRHYDDERCHx ...........Then Godspeed to them, if, and i mean if, socialism will truly make India a better place, then India should go for it.
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr And India is already going for it.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@xRHYDDERCHx I guessed i misjudged communists then. i have had very distasteteful experiences with heralds of marxism before, one of them an arrogant professor. i am still a supporter of capitalism, but lets see how another country adapts socialism, and pray that it does NOT degenerate into another USSR or China.
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr Indeed. I also had arrogant capitalist professors (some still dare to defend the Military Dictatorship), but these are personal issues and can't interfere in our views.
Instead of you, I pray that it become like USSR or China were at least for some decades: socialist superpower achieving lots of advancements in the material, cultural, and social conditions of the working people.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@xRHYDDERCHx But remember, even when these countries became advanced, they had little or no human rights, any human was expendable for the greater good. They can use media suppression, disinformation to make people unaware of anything. Thats why maos great famine occurred and people in other parts of China didnt even know what was going on. The Chernobyl plant was cleaned by workers with little or no radiation protection, and many suffered radiation scars afterward. Be careful.
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr Their advancements were bigger in human rights, at least within the considered time, since in capitalism "human rights" is only another form taken by anticommunist propaganda. This so-called "human rights" are the right for imperialists to subjugate, sabotage, block and sanction countries they consider to be "evil"; the right to profit through exploitation, to make one's economy and politics all in the hands of capitalists. (continue)
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr Soviet Russia was the 1st to ban racism and male chauvinism, give women the right of abortion, also one of the 1st to give them the right to vote, workers were treated with the deserved respect and not as mere profiting machines, prisoners were obligated to productive work to later come back to society as respectable citizens (at the same time in USA prisoners used to work with iron balls attached to their feet, with no rehabilitation system) (continue)
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr The Soviet press were transforming, each day, into the most democratic tool of education and organisation of the masses the world had seen. The total circulation of newspapers being published in the country raised from 9,400,00 in 1928 to 36,500,00 in 1933. In every district newspapers of local radius were edited, about 3,000 of the political section of machine and tractor stations and more than 1,000 from factories and enterprises, with big circulation (cont)
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr In 1932, USSR too, things were published in 88 languages. Radio broadcasting had a big impulsion, transformed into a means of cultural publicising in between workers and peasants, a linkage between the people and the State, the cities and the countryside, the incorporation of peasants into the culture of urban population.
And some dare to speak about "media suppression"...
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr One of the needs for communism is the development of productive forces; the Soviets learned it and soon the Chinese learned too. And Mao was one of those leading this development campaign, thus ending the famine. Doing otherwise would be what we communists call leftism: dogmatism, ultra-extremism, etc. And, look what's more interesting: Mao was not within this group, instead he was one of the people fighting them inside the party. (continue)
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr Chernobyl? The disaster was caused by technical mistakes in its development, it has nothing to do with politics or economy, but physics...
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@xRHYDDERCHx ...and engineering.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr In the 80's, USA, there were cases of innocent people being sentenced of 30+ years and paying of fines, like Pennsylvania Treasurer Budd Dweimer, who was framed and was going for a maximum sentence of 55 years and payment of 300,000 USD. He committed suicide one day before his sentencing and talked about "American gulag" in his speech. Though, the maximum sentences of GULAG prisoners were usually 5 (FIVE) years. (Continue...)
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@xRHYDDERCHx This is where I come to dislike the communist countries. The government officials IN REALITY actually BECOME the new capitalist class. They dictate what you eat, where you sleep, how much food they give you, then turn around and say "the landlords are dead, the vast wealth of this nation will be used to feed the people!!!!!"
All the time living in lavish mansions similar to an aristocracy. Elitism, under the guise of populism. The Tsars could have done the same.
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr No, they're not. There's no capitalist class if the country's political-economy model is not capitalism. And bureaucrats don't constitute a class.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr The statistics of Jan/1940 are the following: up to 5 ys, 56,8% - 5 to 10 ys, 42,2% - more than 10 ys, 1,0%. For the year of 1939 we have the statistics from USSR tribunals. The distribution of prison sentences follow: up to 5 ys, 95,9% - 5 to 10 ys, 4,0% - more than 10 ys, 0,1%. There was an obvious increase during WW2, and Nazis suffering abuse from police officers in the GULAG. Stalin intervened some times in defence of these prisoners human rights.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@xRHYDDERCHx I mean, by abuse, violence.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@xRHYDDERCHx I do not deny what is happening in the US, that the police state is increasing, thanks to two rather nasty presidents, but i doubt prisoner treatment in America is worse than in the USSR. I would be pleased If you could link me to what you said about the gulags. Waterboarding IS torture, but its the most benign. Another thing is that people cite isolated cases of oppression under capitalism, but under communism we are talking hundreds of thousands in the Great Purge.
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr Also about GULAG, the maximum number of prisoners was of 2.5 million during WW2 (and let's remember way too many millions were involved in this war). That was before the 50's, but in 2007, in USA, the richest country of the world and considered by many ignorant people as "model of democracy", the number of prisoners were 7 million. Bush also defended the use of "alternative interrogatory measures", i.e., torture, by the CIA.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@xRHYDDERCHx Thats a lot of information you gave me, but you see, when Stalin was in power, even the people in other parts of Russia didnt know when the great Ukrainian famine occurred, killing 7-10 million people alone, or the tens of thousands of civilians and party officials killed during the Great Purge, the Holodomor had a lot of man made factors included. Same goes for Maos great famine, 30+ million people, gone in 3 years, thanks to mismanagement. And no one even knew.
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@xRHYDDERCHx Wikipedia puts the estimates of the deaths from communist regimes at the range of 85-100 million. Thats even higher than the total deaths of WW2. You are right, they progressed significantly, but didnt capitalist countries in Europe do the same? And we never know how many people disappeared, because the bureaucrats can easily misle the public, having the control of the media.
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@xRHYDDERCHx This is where I come to dislike the communist countries. The government officials IN REALITY actually BECOME the new capitalist class. They dictate what you eat, where you sleep, how much food they give you, then turn around and say "the landlords are dead, the vast wealth of this nation will be used to feed the people!!!!!"
All the time living in lavish mansions similar to an aristocracy. Elitism, under the guise of populism. The Tsars could have done the same.
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr The invervention only defines the "degree of economic liberalism", but can't define if one country is socialist or capitalist. Why would I form a commune and live like everything is good, when millions of people are suffering "out there" from capitalist exploitation? What's more, any actions like these (which already happened in my country, idea of anarchists...) resulted in reprehension from "outside" and the consequent end of the communes.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
...that is, forming alternative societies have no practical effect on the working class. It has an effect on some utopian individuals until the alternative "society" (it seems more like a reclusion camp) is disbanded from the really existing society. I'm not an utopian who follows Robert Owen, or an anarchist. Please, don't mix Marxism with this kind of newbie things.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@xRHYDDERCHx The increase in wealth of each "working class" would be so small its negligible. It will only serve to assuage your inner envy, and thats it.
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr When we say "study Marxism" we're saying: read what the own Marxists said and are saying. If you stay believing that Churchill shit, you'll never know what socialism is about. It's really easy to discover, for example, that Marxism is not for egalitarianism. If you did studied Marxism, then you should know one of our mottos: people must be remunerated according to its ability and productivity.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr Why do you say India was socialist? Maybe you think your so-called "socialism" also applies to my country, Brazil, because a party called Worker's Party is in power? Where there's a capitalist economical structure, there's capitalism, NOT socialism. India always threatened the worker's, socialist, communist movements, specially the Maoists, in behalf of capitalists.
"Read Wikipedia", what the fuck? Sorry, I base my knowledge on reality.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@xRHYDDERCHx Your knowledge on "reality"? So the actual statement on wikipedia is not "reality"? Gasp. Oh gasp.
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr Why would it be? What's their definition of "socialism"? Socialdemocracy, not equal to, socialism; socialdemocracy, equal to, capitalism with social reforms.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr Intervention of the State on economy is not equal to socialism. It happens in every capitalist country in varying degrees and ocasions, what we can say about India before 1991 is that it wasn't - comparing to other capitalist countries - very liberal, or neoliberal.
Was USA socialist, then, when US government applied the New Deal? Is the Welfare State socialist? Like what happened in India, they were protecting capitalism, not creating socialism/communism.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
True proletarians :) We all have a lot to learn from them
WorldRevolutionaries 1 month ago
Maoist Rebel News News Just when you thought Krugman couldn't get stupider. Encouraging people to murder their bosses below, lulz! Terrorism, Copyright violation, and lack of knowledge the three things Krugman brags about.
Bearlizard777 1 month ago
@Bearlizard777 Exactly when did i promote killing your boss? I didn't even take a side in the video, I never gave any statement pro or con you idiot. If you had half the brain you pretend to, you'd know you just made a false statement about what I said.
MaoistRebelNews2 1 month ago 5
@MaoistRebelNews2 You took a side in the description, Kugman. I'm not stupid enough to fall for your bullshit. You got a lot of people here that don't like you because of you copyright abuse, plagiarism lack of knowledge on econ and politics as I point out in my video. On My little pony the show may show love and kindness but it is also anticommunist watch return of harmony and you will see what I mean.
Bearlizard777 1 month ago
@Bearlizard777 Krugman advocates killing bosses?
No, Krugman is a keynesian and works for the bosses.
juliaisafilmbuff123 1 month ago
@juliaisafilmbuff123 Wow what a weird Ideology shift, thanks for the info.
Bearlizard777 1 month ago
This makes me proud to be Indian!
jumpnjza2 1 month ago
India is now home to one of the most powerful Marxist movements in the world and working class consciousness is growing by leaps and bounds. I would expect a revolution sometime in the next twenty to thirty years.
blackiron60 1 month ago
We could learn a thing or two from our brothers in India.
ridgetownpimp 1 month ago
This is a revolution, blood will be shed, the blood of those who exploit the needy, will be shed.
Long Live the Naxalites, death to Capitalism. India is a very very poor country, socialism could revive it.
AtheismCentral 1 month ago 13
@AtheismCentral Actually, I'm thinking that India is screwed either way. It has a caste system that is steeped in centuries old religious tradition and it has an overpopulation problem with many illiterate and malnourished people that is also due to the superstitious caste system propagating from generations to generations.
Those twin problems would take decades to fix.
technatezin 1 month ago
So it's okay to kill the owner, but not the union leader? Hum, that's what I'm taking from the hypocrisy shown in this video. Shameful.
AllahElShaitan 1 month ago
@AllahElShaitan It's not hypocrisy, it's pure logical thinking; and a matter of what side you are on the class struggle. To ever defend a capitalist just because he was killed (consequence of exploitation), now that is shameful.
Destabilisation of unions, with the killing of a union leader for example, damages the working class. But also it makes class consciousness grow between them, so those workers answered. Every action leads to some reaction. ;)
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
the workers have nothing but their chains.
tannersanta 1 month ago
@tannersanta nothing to lose but their chains*
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
Worker's of the World Unite!
NorCalNik 1 month ago
Jason, neither communism or capitalism is anygood
neither capitalism nor socialism is any good
socialism means less competition, we aren't gonna see a lot of advancements this way
but capitalism is even worst, today's capitalism society is more like Corporatism, look at all the monopolies in canada..we have 3 isps who signed agreements not to compete with each other ffs...this is one of the reason why so many are poor
i wanna see your input on this
AznDuD333 1 month ago
@AznDuD333 Then why did the USSR have so many technological advancements before the USA did? Medical advancements? How is it that open-source programs like Linux are innovating every aspect of computer technology even though there is no profit motive? If anything, competition limits innovation and advancement.
FlairPhoenix 1 month ago
@FlairPhoenix Yeah, for example, they were pioneers in space science and the museum of science and technology in Moscow exhibits lots of inventions MOSTLY from the Soviet times. Socialism is more capable of bringing more useful innovations to society because it's not moved by money and greed. And what's more, in USSR there was Stakhanovism, which was a "motivation system" granting bonuses to hard-working people who produced beyond their daily individual plan.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@FlairPhoenix ...As opposed to capitalist countries, workers in socialism receive according to their work. That AznDuD333 has no fucking idea of what he's talking about, like anyone who dare to defend capitalism.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@FlairPhoenix It's not competition what limits innovation. If competition is controlled, like what happens when there's the "socialist emulation", no fight happen between producers. But if the political-economical system allows profiting though production of capital, extraction of surplus-value...then competition is bad. Capitalists naturally tend to form monopolies; produce things only for profit, most not corresponding to propaganda; use cheap toxic ingredients to reduce costs, etc
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@AznDuD333 you should mvoe to an island somehwer ein the middle of no where then if you want to be "free". Because apprently socialism isn't perfect enough for you
RedMusicSinging 1 month ago
@RedMusicSinging
read entire comment before replying.
AznDuD333 1 month ago
Republicans may try to use this as a political weapon.
fonkymaster 1 month ago
"Less than a livable wage"
Damn right.
Laughingblades 1 month ago
I take it back, I see this story and see murder.
The police murdered a worker.
Laughingblades 1 month ago
Some see this story and think "murderer"
I see this story and thing "Justice"
I spent most of my childhood growing up in northern India, where I grew up, dalits were used as slave labor. Voluntarism was a lie, workers were faced with a choice between watching their families starve or working for next to nothing long grueling hours in often inhumane and unsanitary conditions just so their children could afford bread.
Pay was typically the least amount employers could get away with paying.
Laughingblades 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarr
"I said the police have a right to use force on the workers if they initiated it."
Only they didn't initiate it. Years of terrible working conditions, poverty, abuse, and no future lead up to them just raising their feet, and stomping some petty bourgeois head. That just burns your right wing ass, doesn't it? It pisses you off to no end to see poor people taking back control in their life.
JimProfitCommunist 1 month ago
@JimProfitCommunist Well said.
Laughingblades 1 month ago
@JimProfitCommunist Oh gasp!! What is there to be pissed off about? You communists moan about the injustices and oppression of the Third World, but ignore the homeless people in your neighbourhood, and think that everyone on the Right despises poor people and love the "bourgeoisie".Tell me now, are those workers lives going to be any better, after they exacted revenge? No, its going to be a lot worse.
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@JimProfitCommunist You see, that is the real irony of socialism, sure, its not going to cause any income inequality problems, or exploitation, but its going to make everyone suffer miserably if a central planner screws up, while government bureaucrats live fabulously. There is NO system in this world that can bring mass prosperity in a short time, because economic scarcity will always be inherent. They didnt deserve to die, but what can we do?
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
The U.S. has an extremely violent labor history: Ludlow Massacre: 25 Dead, 2 Women, 11 Children. Ford Massacre at River Rouge: Detroit police & Ford Guards gun down 4 men. West Virginia Coal Miners War: (largest armed insurrection in the U.S. since the American Civil War... The list goes on and on, and on. We would hope that India would be spared such horrible labor violence, but I guess not. Such is the nature of the constant battle between Labor and Capital.
CosmicFork 1 month ago
you know this sucks and its unfortunate along with everything else. but that is one killer suit you got on today
Smalls2672 1 month ago
"But but - class antagonisms don't exist! Class antagonisms are the product of the STATE, meaning in REAL capitalism they wouldn't exist! ZOMGRONPAUL2012."
juliaisafilmbuff123 1 month ago
0.o I don't think that was just... the President didn't kill anyone, the police did.
CombateArmsOndraya 1 month ago
More workers in India need to stand up for themselves.
ComradeMiller 1 month ago
@ComradeMiller absolutely! the Indians need a strong Workers Movement, and they need it ASAP!
BuecherFuerAlle 1 month ago
@BuecherFuerAlle They have various moist/marxist/communist movements whom operate under the umbrella of Naxalabri/Naxals/Naxalite's who have been waging both political and military campaigns against the inherent corruption of the indian state, which the state have classed as terrorists though internationally they are not regarded as such.
1988theLAW 1 month ago
Class warfare ? lol ? literally ? :p
ShaktipatSeer2 1 month ago
One day or another humanity will blwo itself up, and it will be the greatest achievement in human history
SMGJohn 1 month ago
News is good, but the facts are not, man!
Murali Mohan is not Dead & the police video you show is from Punjab not Andhra Pradesh.....
hyderabadistock 1 month ago
Good for them kill the Rich and eat their children.fuck them.
Kennyforever100 1 month ago
@MaoistRebelNews2 Do you think Nationality should include a minimum and a maximum like rich poor bounds or do you think personal wealth should be more equal.
QPWimblik 1 month ago
market regulation. ;)
greenghost2008 1 month ago
Im sure these workers were having it worse, living in grinding poverty everyday, before taking up the job. The police did the justified thing, if you want to protest, do it peacefully, otherwise suffer the consequences. Rich people dont use violence on the poor, they do it on themselves. Even if you spread the wealth of every "bourgeoisie" in the US to the other 300 million people they get at most another 10000 dollars. Its not a "contradiction of capitalism"
Now, is it class envy i smell?
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr
"Rich people dont use violence on the poor"
This is incorrect.
pulsatingremedy 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr I understand that your a sociopath so just being a hater because its cool to be. I doubt you really feel anything.
But still
1) 10k more a year would be massive for those making 30k or less.
Yes, this video is about a contradiction of capitalism. Its built on exploitation of the worst kind. Justified by people like you.
2) There is no indication that the protest was violent when the union president was killed.
Obstructing morning work is peaceful protest.
waltermh111 1 month ago
@waltermh111 But oh no, you keep complaining the rich "hoard" too much money and not spreading it around, when the irony is it is communists that do the least of the wealth sharing. Have you sold your computer or mobile phone and used it to feed the nearest homeless man? No you didnt, which . If you dont do it, then why should anyone else? We already have a welfare state, redistributing income.
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr So if its peaceful protest and they are still being beaten to death, is the murder justified then?
But I know your just trolling. Even violent protest doesnt deserve death. Or are you that barbaric?
Sure dont belong in society if you are.
waltermh111 1 month ago
@waltermh111 Oh, the rhetoric accusation of me being a Nazi, sociopath and a troll. A great indicator of a Marxist. Blimey.
I dont oppose unions, I said the police have a right to use force on the workers if they initiated it. Tell me now my glorious comrade, would their lives be any better under a socialist system? India was socialist until the 80s, and it wasnt a "workers paradise" either.
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr
India was socialist? Bwaaah! Was there associated labour? No. Was there wage labour. Yes. How is it socialist then?
fuck the police, fuck them, fuck em fuck em fuck em!
And fuck you for supporting oppressive killers.
GodOfTheInternets 1 month ago
@GodOfTheInternets Now i didnt say I was supporting the death of the union leader, or condemning the general idea of unions did I? Its not like the company president paid the police to assassinate him. the blame rests where its due, in the hands of the police officer, should be tried for murder. The death of the president was unprecedented, they could have gone on mass strikes against the company until he relented.
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
@TheDeathstarrr Why not the police used force against the owner when he initiated it? Well, because he was the owner! The police protects the bourgeoisie in capitalist countries. India was never socialist.
That owner was killed because he was an oppressor, something lesser than dumbass shit; as a consequence of capitalist exploitation there's rebellion from the working class, so he had it coming and deserved it.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@xRHYDDERCHx Dont say "India was never socialist".
It was for some time.
Im sorry, socialism isnt going to make food rain from the sky and everyones living standards to go up magically, it has always been poor, always been oppressed thanks to the British empire and the overpopulation.
look for economy of India on Wikipedia.
TheDeathstarrr 1 month ago
It's called right of self-defence, vengeance, justice and so on.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
Before you described the backlash, I was about to say "this is no doubt gonna lead to some pretty anti worker/union backlash. I can see strong combination laws being put in place".
But you just confirmed my fear.
InvincibleNumanist 1 month ago
The murder of the president is still wrong, but this shows that, in the eyes of the media, a rich mans life is worth much, much more than that of a poor man. It wasnt really justified to use violence, but in a way he had it coming, if he was really treating his workers like shit.
yankydoodle83 1 month ago
i want to do this to my principal
MACEX1000 1 month ago
cool
allal231 1 month ago
Irreconcilable
kaushiksays 1 month ago
wow some people are so unthankful. Unions are the shittiest thing invented
drunkglitch 1 month ago
@drunkglitch
You just hate freedom.
pulsatingremedy 1 month ago
@pulsatingremedy no i don't I hate it when people ask for too much money. If there are 10000s of people that can do a job you and you need one of them you dont pay him 100s of dollars its supply and demand!
drunkglitch 1 month ago
@drunkglitch, thats true.
MensRifleAssociation 1 month ago
@drunkglitch
yeah and how did that company owner get the land grants? how did those people end up so destitute in the first place?
InvincibleNumanist 1 month ago
@InvincibleNumanist I'm not entirely sure but i think the company owner paid for the land because that seems to be the way people get land. And as for the people maybe they don't have education so they can't get a good job or maybe it is just bad luck they were in the wrong place at the wrong time but if everyone got paid the same wage like you communists want then everyone will be in poverty not just some people in this world + nothing new will ever be invented.
drunkglitch 1 month ago
@drunkglitch Differences in wages have origins in system of exploitation of third world and transferring these stolen sources to first world where are economical and political centers of imperialism and thanks that people in west belongs to 20% the wealthiest population in the world. Overpaid first worlders aren't radical like third world workers. Imperialists are safe in first world and they can focus on third world.
stureremil1942 1 month ago
@stureremil1942 give it a few years and countries like india and china will have more money than places like america. Why? Because they don't pay there workers ridiculously high wages!
drunkglitch 1 month ago
@drunkglitch
That ridiculous living wage!
pulsatingremedy 1 month ago
@pulsatingremedy food costs next to nothing in india and china And minimum wage in western countries is more than enough to live on
drunkglitch 1 month ago
@drunkglitch And workers will rise.
stureremil1942 1 month ago
@stureremil1942 if they do they will lose there jobs and then some of the millions of unemployed people can take their place
drunkglitch 1 month ago
@drunkglitch Or maybe these millions under leadership of Communist Party do some revolution.
stureremil1942 1 month ago
@stureremil1942 LOL you contradict yourself if millions had work they would all be paid fuck all. I hope you are looking forward to seeing your quality of life declining under this "communist party"
drunkglitch 1 month ago
@drunkglitch My quality of life will decline, because I'm citizen of imperialist European Union and thanks central states I take some part of surplus value that was created in third world thanks exploitation of workers by west corporations, but most people from third world will be richer.
stureremil1942 1 month ago
@drunkglitch
So you do hate freedom.
pulsatingremedy 1 month ago
@drunkglitch fuck you unions are designed to make working conditions safe and gives you more money. if you dont like it move to china asshole republican scum
ComradeCody 1 month ago
@ComradeCody no they are designed to rip off the money of the government by paying someone 10x more than what they are worth when western governments are already in shit loads of debt
drunkglitch 1 month ago
@dg
"what they are worth"
excuse me? arent you capitalists always the ones talking about how value is subjective?
Yet somehow you can determine what theyre worth.
Thats the whole point in collectie bargaining, so that both persons in the transaction can actually come to an agreement on the wage.
Youre probably gonna say its "freedom" because of supposed property rights but where did those property arrangements originate? colonianism, expulsion, the use of the law.
and im a mutualist not a commie
InvincibleNumanist 1 month ago
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@ComradeCody no they are designed to rip off the money of the government by paying someone 10x more than what they are worth when western governments are already in shit loads of debt
drunkglitch 1 month ago
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@ComradeCody no they are designed to rip off the money of the government by paying someone 10x more than what they are worth when western governments are already in shit loads of debt
drunkglitch 1 month ago
@ComradeCody There are unions in China (and very solid worker's rights). They play an important role in Chinese working class politics.
xRHYDDERCHx 1 month ago
@xRHYDDERCHx what i did not know that damn it capitalist media they lied to me
ComradeCody 1 month ago