Noam...the 93 WTC Bombing (same CIA asstes)...very nearly came close to succeeding.
WTF?..."nearly succeed" in bringing down 3skyscrapers at speeds totally consistent with controlled demolitions?
DID they?....
And people actually buy this guy's "debate" here?
"It nearly succeed"....could u be a little more vague, yet try to put in a little more effort to sound like you have a point please?..maybe use a lot of hand-gesture?
CIA AGENT: "your going to expose things about the government that nobody else will be talking about in books and what not."
NOAM: "okay"
CIA AGENT: "but heres the catch, we're planning an attack in 2001, and its going to be absolutely obvious that we did it, so were going to need you to deny the possibility of it being an inside job and that will confuse the people who will be following you."
NOAM: "Brilliant! sounds like a plan! satan rules!"
9/11 was the mother of all pretexts, a neo-con's dream. The PNAC Report, written the year before, even states the desirability of such an attack. There are plenty of scientists who challenge both 9/11 and climate change. But they are not given and will not be given a voice in the MSM. They will be attacked and destroyed as necessary. Our reality is being constructed and fed to us to consume. Chomsky is drinking the coolade here and offering us some too. Thanks but I'll get my own.
Chomsky is way wide of the mark here. He underestimates the power of the eletes to infiltrate the orginizations necessary to carry out a plan like 9/11. The "official" story is also a conspiracy theory based mostly on unsubstantiated evidence. Of course it is impossible to get a group of scientists to peer review a paper challenging the official line. It would be like mass career suicide, same as challenging "Climate Change", previously known as "Global Warming".
As far as I'm aware the government has likewise produced no peer reviewed evidence to support THEIR conspiracy theory. In a recent article Chomsky writes that the government has never produced any evidence connecting bin Laden or al Qaeda to the 9/11 attacks and that Obama was therefore lying when he said as much in his speech the day after the alleged "killing" of bin Laden and dumping at sea of his body. Not a shred of evidence to support that story either.
@glazinq That's because 9/11 was used as an excuse to further the elite agenda. That's the predictable outcome. Doesn't mean the whole thing was staged.
Kinda like how if you say something stupid, and I use that opportunity to point out how dumb you are, it doesn't necessarily mean that I mind-controlled you into saying that stupid thing you said just in order to set myself up for such an opportunity.
Well thanks for pointing out how dumb I am but all you have really pointed out is that 9/11 debonkers are always forced to resort to name-calling rather than rational argument. You probably believe every word of the official bin Laden death story too. I, on the other hand, require proof and independant verification before accepting such claims. Staged and photo-shopped images, lies and contradictions in the story; these things also make me suspicious. Oh well, me dumb, you smart...
"The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise their power from behind the scenes."
-- Justice Felix Frankfurter, U.S. Supreme Court.
"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within."
-- General Douglas MacArthur
..Either Noam really is clueless ('intellectual' my ass) or he's knowingly covering for his MIT/Wall street buddies.
"The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise their power from behind the scenes."
-- Justice Felix Frankfurter, U.S. Supreme Court.
"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within."
My logic is straight-forward: I prefer not to correspond with you so I throw out a bunch of ad hominems in order to irritate you to the point where you will simply bugger off.
@djamorpheus "The evidence provided by the 911 truthers is essentially worthless." - Noam Chomsky
Noam Chomsky is a shill for the New World Order.
The reason why all people hate you filthy Jews is because you filthy Jews hate all people. So I offer this compromise: When you filthy Jews stop being anti-Christian then I will stop being anti-Semitic.
You Jews created Hitler. He is your god, not mine. He is the one you love and cherish. He is the one you idolize. He is your role model, not mine.
@GoodVibezin He was referring to the evidence that the US government actually did it, and he's right. Also, saying that anyone who disagrees with you is a NWO shill doesn't help your case. It's the equivalent of some nutcase preacher on the street shouting that everyone should convert, and when someone challenges it, the preacher resorts to calling them the 'spawn of Satan'.
As for the rest of your comment, anyone with any sense can see that it isn't worth addressing, so I won't.
@GoodVibezin >No, he's wrong, and you're a pretentious idiot who simply doesn't understand.
That's not even a retort. Tell me how what you're doing (simply labelling people who disagree with you in an attempt to discredit their position) is any different from what a preacher does, as described in my analogy.
@Korona41 you sir may very well be retarded.. the wars are being fought over terrorism???????? you might wanna do a little research before spewing such utter ignorance...
It's a bit weird to see a smart person like Chomsky being so obviously ignorant of the problems with the official story of 9/11. Especially about the WTC demolitions.
Did Chomsky just say that the Bush Administration would've had to have been insane? Is he serious? What rock has he been hiding under for the past dozen or so years? It is disturbing, given the lack of credibility in the "official report," he and other intellectuals nearly trip over themselves to rebuff more scientific, independent investigations on a crime that changed the course of the geopolitical landscape forever, killed countless innocents and still enriches war profiteers and bankers.
@bofors7715 He clearly wasn't literally saying "video tapes are useless". He was just making a point on how easy it is to fool yourself by pointing out coincidences, and the extraordinary lengths scientists have to go to to avoid doing this.
Moreover, Chomsky has no idea about the numerous submissions to the Journal of Engineering Mechanics, several of which have published, disputing the official story of 9/11.
Chomsky should be ashamed about speaking like this.
Michael Ruppert will show you that PLENTY of people knew about this Mi6, Saudi, CIA insidejob. Their are plenty of CIA assets out there, that knew of this attack way before it was going down. Shit look at Bill Cooper, he predicted 9/11 3 or 4 months before it happened. He was just an independent researcher/ radio host. assassinated. one more look up Larry McDonald if you dont believe in the NWO. Zbigniew Brzezinski The Grand Chessboard. Lets wake up like Bill Hicks said 20 years ago, died in 94.
I don't intend to argue against any conspiracy theories over what they believe in, the arguments are always the same and generally fruitless, but there is one question that I have:
What's the average level of education of the people who believe in the 9/11 conspiracy? What percentage of them have a 4-year degree, a master's, or a doctorate?
@ha38bb1 Normally I don't comment on conspiracy quotes like that but did you honestly just cite a comedian who died over 16 years ago as a source?
@majordbag2 Bill Hicks was young, awake, and brilliant in his stand ups. I didnt like Highschool much, why would i want to go to indoctrination college? I do my own research check the sources and come to my own conclusions. Now that i look at my last response, i wasent saying Bill Hicks predicted 9/11, i was stating that he was awake and felt the pain we feel, along time ago. Bill Hicks-JFK. (All the names that i dropped on my last response, are they all not awake to the agenda?).
@ha38bb1 After reading that all I can say is: thank you for more or less proving (or at least heavily reinforcing) to me what I already expected to be true about 9/11 conspiracy theorists.
WTC7 collapse is available in high quality video right here in youtube, you can hear the explosion and you can see clear as day the penthouse on top of WTC7 collapse seconds before the actual building collapses. After the penthouse on TOP of WTC7 collapses the rest of the building begins falling at near free fall speed.
How can ANYBODY look at that and come to the conclusion that it was anything BUT a demolition? Un fucking believable.
@jankowitts Severely damaged by debris from WTC north, further compromised by uncontrolled fires not combated by depleted sprinkler systems, emergency workers heard it groaning well before it began to collapse and thus evacuated their people from it leading to no casualties when it fell, and it eventually fell, taking ~41 seconds to do so at a sectional rate. No explosions heard, no windows blown out, and otherwise no evidence of any explosives having been used.
@jankowitts No, explosions weren't heard, or this would have been blown over when alllll the firefighters/cops etc heard and saw the explosions and the glass blowing out. They also probably wouldn't have heard the building groaning and anticipated its collapse, and it would have come down very quickly rather than taking 41 seconds or so.
Even if there were actual signs of explosives in action, the logistics behind smuggling them in and planting them without anyone noticing is highly implausible.
@BigMikeMcBastard watch?v=MwSc7NPn8Ok I advise you to watch that video. It seems you havn done much research on the subject. The collapse was anticiapted, and it didnt take 41 one secs to fall.....idk where you came upwith that. All im saying is just look ruther into it.
@jankowitts What am I supposed to be looking for in this video? I've seen this stuff before.
It did in fact take around 41 seconds to fall based on the guys on the ground who saw it collapsing (in sections) and timed it. And again, no explosions were heard, and the windows were not blown out. I'm sure your watching YouTube videos has made you qualified to determine how and why buildings like 7 WTC collapse, but have you ever considered that you're suggesting something there's no evidence for?
@BigMikeMcBastard And timed it? Your just flat out lying if you say tower 7 took that long fall because not even the other towers took that long. In that video there is a eye witness interview that explains what was happening in the building right before it's collapse. You should cite the sources of your information because I don't believe you.
@jankowitts Firefighters heard it groaning and knew it was going to collapse well before it collapsed, which is why nobody was hurt/killed when it fell as they had cleared all their guys out beforehand. They are the ones who gave accounts of how it fell, what parts fell first, and how long it took to fall.
I don't care if you believe me. I'm just relaying what the firefighters reported. If you think they're maybe in on the conspiracy or otherwise untrustworthy, well, that's that then.
@jankowitts I've yet to read any report in a peer reviewed engineering journal which refutes the assessment FEMA gave. I guess you're assuming it's inaccurate because you believe the government is responsible and thus automatically any government-related body is untrustworthy?
@jankowitts Who cares what I believe happened? The best you or I can do is to read what the experts have to say, use a little common sense to deduce which experts are credible and which aren't, and choose one side of the issue or the other to accept as closest to reality.
In this case, the people saying it was fire/etc are renowned experts who work at universities around the world and who have published their opinions in peer-reviewed journals. The other guys write stuff on the Internet.
@BigMikeMcBastard Why were70% of the questions asked by victims family members unanswered? Why was there molten steel burning months later after the attacks? Why was tower 7 left out of the official 9/11 report? How did the buildings fall as quickly as they did? There are so many unanswered questions......if you defend the 9/11 story that was fed to you by the media and the false official reports then I feel as if you are sleep walking
@jankowitts Nice arbitrary percentage, 70%. Sure it's not 70.03%?
There was no molten steel.
7 WTC was addressed by the NIST report.
Read what the engineers have written if you want to know whyy they fell.
There aren't unanswered questions, there are just answers you've decided don't count because they disagree with what you have decided actually happened. It's the same strategy creationists use. Decide X thing happened and then reject all the evidence that disagrees with your conclusion.
@BigMikeMcBastard There was molten steel..you must be working for them...hope to god I dont see a response to this from you because you havnt done any research to why people are questioning 9/11 .
@jankowitts They're questioning because they live in a fantasy world and have decided to focus their energy on shit that didn't happen instead of all the ACTUAL bad stuff the US government was guilty of and continues to be guilty of.
If they go to progressive outlets, many follow the same pattern because it's "good radio". Look at the content on several Pacifica stations. More of it now is commercial hosts/content. Why? Bottom line corporate MSM reasoning: money and ratings.
Ambushing Amy Goodman on 9/11 might get you lots of views. But other than that, has it changed anything? No.
The other thing that he didn't mention was the egos of many of the people involved.
At the moment, we're still in a corporate MSM soundbite culture. Many people for whatever reason choose to stick with this. Then, when different 9/11 "experts" come on, theyr'e told by the network to either play ball or no access. Viewers see a screaming head "debate" and think they're nuts.
@iamborghini1 I am smart. From what I can tell you're hardly even literate.
"u aren't very smart are u.... that okay..." Ironic that you're telling me I'm not smart whilst exemplifying your own illiteracy.
Also, if by smart you mean able to assess what is likely to have happened on 9/11, clearly you and your friends on youtube are the morons in this regard. You see planes hitting buildings, fire (which explain building 7 which feel hours after the other two), debris flying,etc...
@bahramf ... And somehow you think it's more likely that the gov't planted explosives in the buildings than that they feel b/c of the planes. Answer this question: Why would it be worth all the trouble for the gov't to plant explosives in buildings when they were hit by planes anyways?
Even if for whatever whacky reasons, planes hitting buildings could not possibly bring them down, it's not like 9/11 would not have been a tragedy if they hadn't come down.
@bahramf ... You'd think planes hitting two of the largest buildings in the world (I think, the largest) in the middle of New York would have been enough to justify the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Instead of using your conspiracy theory avoidance techniques actually address and try to fill in this gaping hole in your theory.
@iamborghini1 No, I'm even less smart than the millions on scientists and engineers who agree that planes flying into buildings could have brought them down.
@bahramf Me I am fully open to change my mind. But after seeing countless testimonies and videos of explosions, all you have to say is "Do I have to believe everything publicity whore firemen say?" lol ok that is not going to convince me I am not as gullible as you are im afraid.
@bahramf Osama was also a CIA agent, William Cooper predicted the event, Bush didnt react as he was told of the attacks (filmed), somehow the government wasnt able to counter hijacked planes (maybe thats why they rushed on site to find the black box and hide it, because it contains evidence that they were aware of the hijacking ) and you know I can go on and on and on. Now you are pretty good at disregarding absolutely everything by just saying everything is bullshit. But I understandwhatgoingon
@FloMonKish Why do you think someone predicting an event means??? That really isn't evidence for anything. Do you not understand why?
"somehow the government wasnt able to counter hijacked planes" That's evidence for bad national security, not an inside job. Sorry bud. Chomsky admits the gov't didn't do enough to stop the attacks. I'll admit that. This doesn't mean they were behind it.
I could not stop someone from throwing an egg at your house, and yet I'm notthereforeresponsible.
@bahramf Ok ill hand it to you theres no evidence that says the government did it FOR SURE. But does that really mean anything as well? I mean you put all the pieces of the puzzle together and what you find is very much less than promising for their innocence. And seriously, with all their efforts to brainwash and oppress the people, dont you find it hard to believe they have nothing to do with this? when it is just SO CONVENIENT for them?
@FloMonKish Well, I'm glad you admitted the obvious fact that there is no evidence that actually connects the gov't to the tragedies of 9/11. What you fail to understand is that there is no puzzle to be solved. And unless all the connecting pieces are there (which you admit they are not all there) you don't have a convincing picture.
It's convenient that I was sleeping in my bed the morning of 9/11/2001. Does that mean I had something to do with it?
@FloMonKish Well, I'm glad you admitted the obvious fact that there is no evidence that actually connects the gov't to the tragedies of 9/11. What you fail to understand is that there is no puzzle to be solved. And unless all the connecting pieces are there (which you admit they are not all there) you don't have a convincing picture.
It's convenient that I was sleeping in my bed the morning of 9/11/2001. Does that mean I had something to do with it?
@bahramf You'd think they would never do such a thing but what tells you they are not relying on this to get away with it? 3000 people dead, for the ruling class, thats nothing man. The amount of benefit they can get out of that event... now THATS something for them. They wouldnt lose sleep over this im sure your aware of this. They are the illuminated ones, they think what they did was for the good of mankind, sacrifices must be made for the new world order.
@FloMonKish Unfortunately all of what you're writing is non-sense. As Chomsky pointed out, just because someone benefits from a tragedy does not make them the offender of the tragedy.
They're relying on me thinking logically and not making wild assumptions and unfounded accusations? Sure; let them.
I don't know if they're illuminated, but you're basically in the dark.
@FloMonKish Also, stop putting words in my mouth. I never said they're not capable of killing 3000 of their own people or that they did not benefit from the events. They could, and they may have been in on 9/11. What I'm pointing out is that you have no good evidence that they were in on it, so it's hard to understand why any reasonable person should agree with you.
@FloMonKish As Chomsky says, if you really have evidence, submit it to a scholarly, peer-reviewed journal. A movie isn't evidence for anything. Especially a shoddy movie like "Loose Change". No one will try and silence you if you submit to any scholarly journal. Actually, give me the data and I'll submit it. That way you don't have to risk the gov't killing you or whatever other crazy thing you think is going on.
@bahramf lol alright well I personally have no evidence, all I have seen is the videos of explosions, 45 degree cut molten steel pictures, weird events such as the building evacuation couple weeks before, no black box found, no plane rubble at the pentagon, no plane footage of the pentagon (my phone camera films better than the pentagon security cam lol wow I wonder why) and the overall sens that it was conveninent for the government, Bush had good relations with osama
@FloMonKish ...It is apparent to the meanest intellect upon the slightest reflection that that movie is propaganda and full of inconsistencies and fallacies. I can point them out to you one by one. Popular Mechanics made a response to all their claims and show why they're all bogus. Search "Popular Mechanics 9/11" on youtube.
Actually search for the truth from both sides. So far you've looked at conspiracy videos made by a few 20 year olds. If you call that searching for the truth...
@bahramf (this is a NOTE to ALL people watching this video and reading these comments, @bahramf is either an employed "agent" sitting in his little room, probably obese and unable to leave is room, being fed by the government to spread doubt and keep the people asleep OR is is such an ignorant AssHOLE MORON that his little brain cannot see past his McDonald's and next vaccinate appointment. WAKE UP PEOPLE and IGNORE this excuse for a human. WAKE UP PEOPLE, the Truth is upon YOU
@ukbands Yeah, I work for George Bush directly. This is all a conspiracy. Be afraid, be very afraid. Also, listen to ukbands and his ad hominem argument. Don't listen to the logical arguments I've presented. Don't worry ukbands, if people who watch this are anything like you, they'll have to problem closing their ears to reason.
I hope if nothing else, you'll all consider taking a critical thinking course. They're probably available at a local community college. Present your theory to the prof, see what she/he says. I'm confident that once they explain to you how flawed your reasoning is, unless you're just morons, you'll reconsider your ridiculous theory.
I hope if nothing else, you'll all consider taking a critical thinking course. They're probably available at a local community college. Present your theory to the prof, see what she/he says. I'm confident that once they explain to you how flawed your reasoning is, unless you're just morons, you'll reconsider your ridiculous theory.
Chomsky is the most critical scholar of US foreign policy. Aside from that address one of his arguments. Don't just call him a fraud b/c he has good arguments. You have all stupid arguments and people yelling on video tape calling everyone but themselves sheep and morons... for believing that two giant planes carrying jet fuel could bring down two buildings.
@bahramf Fools are those who, in front of all the facts and proofs, decide to turn a blind eye to the reality. That is all. If a government manages to kill thousands of its own citizen voluntarily without causing a revolution. That indicates they have their population very well enslaved.
@FloMonKish Where are all the facts and proofs? It seems to me you're ignoring reality and trying to save a wild conspiracy theory which is completely unfounded.
NO CREDIBILITY WHATSOEVER... Notice the 2 comments on the top and stay there regardless of how many people like the other comments below... Noam Chomsky's "Theory of the truth" is so flawed its unreal. the threats he talks about are fiction , blatant false propaganda videos using Bin laden look-a-likes is hilarious , only a mug would believe the official story... are you a MUG?
There are plenty of "Leaks" just no one listens to the "leaks" The few people at the top who are fully aware of the agenda of control don't admit this to the supposedly unaware people in high places who make things happen (all mesons) but assure them also that it is no a conspiracy, in exactly the way this guy is attempting to do. You would think the way he talks this has never happened, it has and is fully documented and in the public domain, but few bother to research the facts.
@ukbands There are "leaks" of people seeking publicity making wild and unfounded accusations. Fortunately, as with any whistle-blowing, the whistle-blower needs evidence to support their claims.
@bahramf hehehe yes the video was posted by some random person in 2009, but William Cooper's radio show aired June 2001, and I think it was written on the video also? So if you do the math, its about 3 months before the attack
@bahramf He knew there would be an attack, and that it would be blamed on Ben laden, so that they would have a reason to go to war. What he had predicted, is exactly what happened 3 months later. And for you to say he loses his credibility after something so irrelevant as that comment, proves you are running away from the facts, and that you are searching for anything you can find to bring him down. What you are lacking, is evidence for your claims.
@FloMonKish That's not a fact. That's a guy on the radio running his mouth blabbering and something of all the nonsense he speaks magically comes true. Also for a prediction to e a prediction it has to be specific.
@bahramf Iv tried putting up links to interesting articles pointing out facts but youtube is not letting me.....i wonder why? anyways look them up yourself if you want to know the truth its up to you
@bahramf From what I can see, you have only been pointing fingers, claiming the government had no involvement despite all the facts being presented to you. Im afraid you need to present some type of evidence for your unfounded claims. Or else there is no point for me to continue educating you, since you already decided to turn a blind eye to it all.
@FloMonKish WHAT FACTS!!! You haven't presented any. Certainly the burden of proof is on you. You have a crazy opinion, you need a crazy amount of evidence to support it.
@bahramf History suggests that if you believe in your government, YOU are crazy. No empire has ever been righteous and honnest. For you to believe this one is, makes you the one needing to provide evidence of its righteousness. I would love and am fully willing to believe the government is what you say it is, by all means. But facts prove otherwise
@FloMonKish ...Also, the gov't doesn't have to be righteous and honest (as Chomsky as pointed out thousands of time, the US is not) to have not killed thousands of their own people and one of the largest capitalist symbols in the country.
@bahramf The US Government ALSO needed evidence to support their CLAIMS of real terrorists, that have none, just lies which have been squashed many times, so which version do you believe? the government lies and the press who publish all their lies OR the truth seekers (which holds more weight and evidence) which the press/media do not publish, the Governments Theory was blown out of the water so they need to come up with more lies if they want the mass population to be sucked in
@ukbands That's not true, there are videos made by popular mechanics on youtube explaining that there is no evidence for a conspiracy theory.
The US gov't has evidence. Bin Laden is video-taped confessing his involvement in the attacks. There's video tape of planes flying into buildings... Honestly, what more do you want? How skeptical are we supposed to be not to be sheep.
Incidentally, you've presented no evidence for your side. I'm skeptical of you and your intelligence.
@bahramf you obviously watch too much TV and don't do enough evidence collection yourself , its all out there, The official conspiracy theory (official story & lies which the people have been fed) which is filled with many many flaws and unanswered questions.
Anyone who believes the official crap does need a BIG wake up call to the real world,
Do you know all about the London 7/705 so called terrorist bombing?
its like they nicked the scrip from the CIA on how to do a 911 False Flag
@ukbands The truth is "out there" huh? Take a critical thinking course; I beg of you. Most community colleges offer them.
Yeah, I know about the transport bombers in London... Your point is???
That's the thing about bad logic, you make claims and expect everyone else to connect that dots. Be explicit and clear and actually argue. Don't just tell me I'm a sheep. That won't convince anybody - and it shouldn't!!!
It probably has convinced you at some point, and that's why you need help.
@bahramf Its NOT up to me to educate YOU, go do this yourself son, simply believing the official shit they spew out to the sheep via the totally controlled media, like I say, all the evidence is there for an inquiry for 7/7 yet there has never been one, the BBC tried to discredit the people who raise the questions but all the UK people received was a load of lies, contradictions and many many inconsistencies, that's all I have to say on the matter, go research and think what you want,
@ukbands There are plenty off leaks. Not about 9/11 being an inside job though. Read the wikileaks documents. No leaks that support your conspiracy theory.
I'm totally with you 2caledonia,the official story is riddled with lies and huge inaccuracies,i get bored of the ignorant deniers,let them think what they will,there are none so blind as those who dont want to see.Check out "September Clues".
Anyone who could say or even think that nobody cares if their Government blows their own innocent citizens to pieces has got to be a stark raving lunatic.
Why anyone would even bother to listen to anything this madman has to say is way beyond me.
One of many, King just happens to be from MIT as is Chomsky who suggested, such people have the serious [technical] knowledge and understanding required to judge. Believe what you like. You ask elsewhere - who are the real fools - which is also exactly what the Chemist Prof. Niels Harrit of the uni of Copenhagen said after pointing out that there is no evidence to support the official theory at all. Every point Chomsky makes is totally flawed - THAT is a shock.
@bahramf Facts are things like molten steel cut in a precise angle so that the building would fall, something planes could never do, only pre-planted devices. The WTC was evacuated by governement officials couple weeks before to sustain "inspection" the only time they could implant thermite cutter charge in the building. There are large amount firemen on site that testified hearing explosions post crash, coming from underground. This fact points out government involvement, how do you defend?
@bahramf There are other facts I can enumerate but theres so much and I cant possibly write all of them, maybe this one will be enough to make you think outside the box
@bahramf You are not a philosopher because if you were, you wouldnt call me a moron blindly like this. And you would know how to conduct an argument without interference of your ego. Just give me your thoughts on the facts, we'll see what gives
@FloMonKish I think that Osama Bin Laden made a video where he confessed his involvement in the attacks (fact). That's usually enough to get someone in convicted in court. So, what's your evidence that he was lying? You know there is a huge bounty of his head, right?
@bahramf This is a very good thing to point out actually. Did you know that osama was a former cia agent? He had a very good relationship with Bush, several meetings have taken place recorded and it is known that they were on good terms and shared common interests. Could there really be a conspiracy without fabricated evidence?
@FloMonKish I knew that, but they were not on good terms after the attack. As far as anyone knows, Bin Laden was in some cave in Pakistan or Afghanistan; Bush was in Washington DC USA.
They could have had sex with each other. This still isn't evidence of anything.
Also, when, eventually you present some evidence, can I just say it is fabricated?
Also, my next piece of evidence is the videos of planes hitting buildings on Sept. 11th 2001. Was that fabricated too?
@FloMonKish That's not how it works. The burden of proof is on you. I can't counter an argument that hasn't been made either, and none of you have put together any arguments with premises leading to a conclusion.
Also, the facts you've presented are a half prediction by a guy on the radio who probably says crazy things like that every day, and finally one sort of came true (although he didn't predict the method of attack, the state or city, etc...).
@bahramf .... you see how that's not a prediction?
That's something that happens all the time. I didn't predict the size, the place, or anything else substantial. Also, you brought up attacks in London on the transit system which you take to be a classical gov't controlled attack, however you've presented no evidence for that being the case.
You all just seem to believe something with little to no evidence. Why don't you join a cult? Better yet, the catholic church.
@bahramf explain the 45 degree motel steel pillars ignited by pre-placed thermite bombs? Which is in fact the only way the building could collapse. Tell me why terrorists would fly planes into the building if they already have everything in place to make the building collapse? Ill tell you what the planes flying on the building are for, its for a cover up, if you think not then explain?
@bahramf explain why both of the plane's blackbox were never found? If like you said, the terrorists "admitted" they committed the act, what possible reasons could they have to hide the blackbox? explain please
@bahramf Dont worry, I dont expect you to come up with anything constructive since all you been doing is evading the subject and pointing fingers at irrelevant things. It doesnt matter if you dont understand what really happened. You can live in your fairy tale all you want it wont change anything actually its probably better for all of us thanks.
@bahramf lol ok well it would of been better if you could of explained couple things but its not like you could really do anything except deny the facts. Regardless of what you think about the situation, you cant just assume the government was not involved so blindly. That is such an American brainwashed sheep way to go about it. Tell me when in history, have a government been righteous? Your gonna tell me the states now? haha so naive
@FloMonKish I'm not saying their righteous, only that there is no evidence that they are so wicked as to have killed 3000 of their own people - in as direct a way as you seem to believe. They may very well have not done enough to stop the attacks (as Chomsky is saying). That's not a sheepish belief. I might be wrong about it, but this is just to pay lip-service to human fallibility. It's a very moderate, sensible belief.
Yours is crazy and btw, you haven't provided any 'facts'...
@FloMonKish ...in your favour. I don't know how you think you have since you literally haven't even presented what you think are fact, nevertheless actual facts.
Again, I'm not naive, since I, nor Chomsky, believe, or have to believe, the gov't is righteous to believe they were not directly involved in the death of 3000 people. I believe they are responsible to a great degree for not stopping the attacks.
@bahramf ... You've very convincingly demonstrated your dogmatism about this issue to me.
What would it take for you not to have faith in the wickedness of the US. It seems to me no amount of evidence, reason, etc. would do it for you, so I don't think this convo is going very well. You'll just believe what you want despite evidence to the contrary, and I'll be sensible and believe things according to reason and facts.
@bahramf The only thing is that, considering the fact that there was 3 following explosions after the crash, and that the building only fell after those explosions, and that these explosions were required to molt the steel in a 45 degree angle causing the buldings to collapse. This renders the plane crash unnecessary for a terrorist attack. The only plausible reason for having planes crashing into the buildings would be for everyone to see them as the cause, to make the talibans obvious to blame
@bahramf oh damn ok you really havent searched up on this. Somehow I cant post the direct link, but if you go on google and search : firemen 911 explosions
You will see a lot of testimonial videos of firemen on site at 911 explaining the explosions and the following collapse of the buildings.
stupid fucking truthers, you are cancer of peoples mind
dnch 5 days ago
Noam...the 93 WTC Bombing (same CIA asstes)...very nearly came close to succeeding.
WTF?..."nearly succeed" in bringing down 3skyscrapers at speeds totally consistent with controlled demolitions?
DID they?....
And people actually buy this guy's "debate" here?
"It nearly succeed"....could u be a little more vague, yet try to put in a little more effort to sound like you have a point please?..maybe use a lot of hand-gesture?
Noam...THAT "lacks credibility"
old, stale, "intellect" sock puppet.
homerbear46 2 weeks ago
@bcbk93 The governments of all countries?
Name one thing the government of Norway is doing that is horrible.
I believe that if we didnt act as a world police, they wouldnt care about us.
gulbirk 6 months ago
Noam is what the Soviets used to call a ' useful idiot '.
goatman257 6 months ago
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jooks223 6 months ago
sometime 40 yrs ago:
NOAM: "so whats my role?"
CIA AGENT: "your going to expose things about the government that nobody else will be talking about in books and what not."
NOAM: "okay"
CIA AGENT: "but heres the catch, we're planning an attack in 2001, and its going to be absolutely obvious that we did it, so were going to need you to deny the possibility of it being an inside job and that will confuse the people who will be following you."
NOAM: "Brilliant! sounds like a plan! satan rules!"
frogger1017 7 months ago
@frogger1017 Troll?
gulbirk 6 months ago
@frogger1017
Hahaa. I'm a little bit offended for Mr.Chomsky, but the dialogue you've made up has painted a perfectly hilarious picture in my head. Nice job.
PonyboyCurtisIsGold 5 months ago
@frogger1017 shut up fag
ShookOnesTO 5 months ago
@frogger1017 LMAO
ColJochen 2 weeks ago
what a dirtbag
frogger1017 7 months ago
@frogger1017 hahahahah
jonLukasC 7 months ago
9/11 was the mother of all pretexts, a neo-con's dream. The PNAC Report, written the year before, even states the desirability of such an attack. There are plenty of scientists who challenge both 9/11 and climate change. But they are not given and will not be given a voice in the MSM. They will be attacked and destroyed as necessary. Our reality is being constructed and fed to us to consume. Chomsky is drinking the coolade here and offering us some too. Thanks but I'll get my own.
glazinq 8 months ago
Chomsky is way wide of the mark here. He underestimates the power of the eletes to infiltrate the orginizations necessary to carry out a plan like 9/11. The "official" story is also a conspiracy theory based mostly on unsubstantiated evidence. Of course it is impossible to get a group of scientists to peer review a paper challenging the official line. It would be like mass career suicide, same as challenging "Climate Change", previously known as "Global Warming".
glazinq 8 months ago
@glazinq Or maybe no one intelligent enough to write for a pier reviewed paper believes that 9/11 and global warming is a conspiracy.
kyral210 7 months ago
@kyral210
As far as I'm aware the government has likewise produced no peer reviewed evidence to support THEIR conspiracy theory. In a recent article Chomsky writes that the government has never produced any evidence connecting bin Laden or al Qaeda to the 9/11 attacks and that Obama was therefore lying when he said as much in his speech the day after the alleged "killing" of bin Laden and dumping at sea of his body. Not a shred of evidence to support that story either.
glazinq 7 months ago
@glazinq That's because 9/11 was used as an excuse to further the elite agenda. That's the predictable outcome. Doesn't mean the whole thing was staged.
Kinda like how if you say something stupid, and I use that opportunity to point out how dumb you are, it doesn't necessarily mean that I mind-controlled you into saying that stupid thing you said just in order to set myself up for such an opportunity.
JessAtlas 7 months ago
@JessAtlas
Well thanks for pointing out how dumb I am but all you have really pointed out is that 9/11 debonkers are always forced to resort to name-calling rather than rational argument. You probably believe every word of the official bin Laden death story too. I, on the other hand, require proof and independant verification before accepting such claims. Staged and photo-shopped images, lies and contradictions in the story; these things also make me suspicious. Oh well, me dumb, you smart...
glazinq 7 months ago 3
Yes Naom they are insane. You're usually pretty smart
Scobo11 8 months ago
Say's it all really:
"The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise their power from behind the scenes."
-- Justice Felix Frankfurter, U.S. Supreme Court.
"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within."
-- General Douglas MacArthur
..Either Noam really is clueless ('intellectual' my ass) or he's knowingly covering for his MIT/Wall street buddies.
FeelGood30 8 months ago 2
Noam is f*cking clueless.
pmsan29 8 months ago
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"The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise their power from behind the scenes."
-- Justice Felix Frankfurter, U.S. Supreme Court.
"I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within."
-- General Douglas MacArthur
pmsan29 8 months ago
My logic is straight-forward: I prefer not to correspond with you so I throw out a bunch of ad hominems in order to irritate you to the point where you will simply bugger off.
GoodVibezin 8 months ago
When the Jews will stop being anti-Christian, the Christians will stop being anti-Jew.
GoodVibezin 9 months ago
Noam Chomsky is a pretentious, know-it-all Jew boy. Then again, it's quite typical behavior for a degenerate monkey.
GoodVibezin 9 months ago
@GoodVibezin fuckoff you nazi
djamorpheus 9 months ago
@djamorpheus "The evidence provided by the 911 truthers is essentially worthless." - Noam Chomsky
Noam Chomsky is a shill for the New World Order.
The reason why all people hate you filthy Jews is because you filthy Jews hate all people. So I offer this compromise: When you filthy Jews stop being anti-Christian then I will stop being anti-Semitic.
You Jews created Hitler. He is your god, not mine. He is the one you love and cherish. He is the one you idolize. He is your role model, not mine.
GoodVibezin 9 months ago
@GoodVibezin He was referring to the evidence that the US government actually did it, and he's right. Also, saying that anyone who disagrees with you is a NWO shill doesn't help your case. It's the equivalent of some nutcase preacher on the street shouting that everyone should convert, and when someone challenges it, the preacher resorts to calling them the 'spawn of Satan'.
As for the rest of your comment, anyone with any sense can see that it isn't worth addressing, so I won't.
GiantSandles 8 months ago
@GiantSandles No, he's wrong, and you're a pretentious idiot who simply doesn't understand. Typical.
As for any of your comments, anyone with any sense can see that they aren't worth addressing, so I won't.
GoodVibezin 8 months ago
@GoodVibezin >No, he's wrong, and you're a pretentious idiot who simply doesn't understand.
That's not even a retort. Tell me how what you're doing (simply labelling people who disagree with you in an attempt to discredit their position) is any different from what a preacher does, as described in my analogy.
GiantSandles 8 months ago
Chumpsky says "Bush & Blair didn't care much about terrorist attacks!"!?!?
Has this idiot EVER uttered or known anything even remotely close to truth!?
What does he think the war in Afghanistan & Iraq are being fought over!?
He probably sees OBL's execution as an extension of the Crusades.
He uses typical fringe liberal/left moonbat spin, with a generous dose of paranoid delusional conspiratorial leaps of logic!
He should be locked up in a loony bin, instead of idolized!
Korona41 9 months ago
@Korona41 you sir may very well be retarded.. the wars are being fought over terrorism???????? you might wanna do a little research before spewing such utter ignorance...
irishjuwan 8 months ago
@irishjuwan says,"the wars are being fought over terrorism?you might wanna do a little research"
And you may want to take an adult approach to doing research instead of spewing anything that supports your immature & limited understanding!
Korona41 8 months ago
@Korona41 exactly the retort i was expecting .... thks.... terrorism-----lol, you sir have been had....
irishjuwan 8 months ago
Last year Dr. Chomsky told Iranian TV that at the time the USA attacked Afghanistan they had no evidence that al Qaeda had done 9/11.
See my video:
Chomsky on Faith-Based Wars and 9/11
punxsutawneybarney 9 months ago
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It's a bit weird to see a smart person like Chomsky being so obviously ignorant of the problems with the official story of 9/11. Especially about the WTC demolitions.
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Funkadelic2 11 months ago
Did Chomsky just say that the Bush Administration would've had to have been insane? Is he serious? What rock has he been hiding under for the past dozen or so years? It is disturbing, given the lack of credibility in the "official report," he and other intellectuals nearly trip over themselves to rebuff more scientific, independent investigations on a crime that changed the course of the geopolitical landscape forever, killed countless innocents and still enriches war profiteers and bankers.
init4fun 11 months ago
@init4fun Insane in terms of previous administrations.
Mjhavok 11 months ago
Video tapes are useless?
Is quite obvious that Chomsky has absolutely no research experience in physics or engineering.
What an embarrassment for MIT.
Chomsky has ruined his legacy with absurd statements about 9/11.
bofors7715 11 months ago
@bofors7715 He clearly wasn't literally saying "video tapes are useless". He was just making a point on how easy it is to fool yourself by pointing out coincidences, and the extraordinary lengths scientists have to go to to avoid doing this.
Chronosaur 9 months ago
Moreover, Chomsky has no idea about the numerous submissions to the Journal of Engineering Mechanics, several of which have published, disputing the official story of 9/11.
Chomsky should be ashamed about speaking like this.
This is ridiculous.
bofors7715 11 months ago
Chomsky has no idea what the the 1993 WTC bombing was really about.
It is amazing how far his head is actually up his ass.
He just doesn't understand the implications of his own theories.
This is so typical of academic myopia.
bofors7715 11 months ago
Michael Ruppert will show you that PLENTY of people knew about this Mi6, Saudi, CIA insidejob. Their are plenty of CIA assets out there, that knew of this attack way before it was going down. Shit look at Bill Cooper, he predicted 9/11 3 or 4 months before it happened. He was just an independent researcher/ radio host. assassinated. one more look up Larry McDonald if you dont believe in the NWO. Zbigniew Brzezinski The Grand Chessboard. Lets wake up like Bill Hicks said 20 years ago, died in 94.
ha38bb1 11 months ago
I don't intend to argue against any conspiracy theories over what they believe in, the arguments are always the same and generally fruitless, but there is one question that I have:
What's the average level of education of the people who believe in the 9/11 conspiracy? What percentage of them have a 4-year degree, a master's, or a doctorate?
@ha38bb1 Normally I don't comment on conspiracy quotes like that but did you honestly just cite a comedian who died over 16 years ago as a source?
majordbag2 11 months ago
@majordbag2 Bill Hicks was young, awake, and brilliant in his stand ups. I didnt like Highschool much, why would i want to go to indoctrination college? I do my own research check the sources and come to my own conclusions. Now that i look at my last response, i wasent saying Bill Hicks predicted 9/11, i was stating that he was awake and felt the pain we feel, along time ago. Bill Hicks-JFK. (All the names that i dropped on my last response, are they all not awake to the agenda?).
ha38bb1 11 months ago
@ha38bb1 After reading that all I can say is: thank you for more or less proving (or at least heavily reinforcing) to me what I already expected to be true about 9/11 conspiracy theorists.
majordbag2 11 months ago
How crazy are people.
WTC7 collapse is available in high quality video right here in youtube, you can hear the explosion and you can see clear as day the penthouse on top of WTC7 collapse seconds before the actual building collapses. After the penthouse on TOP of WTC7 collapses the rest of the building begins falling at near free fall speed.
How can ANYBODY look at that and come to the conclusion that it was anything BUT a demolition? Un fucking believable.
idontfkinknow1234 1 year ago
Tower 7..is all I have to say
jankowitts 1 year ago
@jankowitts Severely damaged by debris from WTC north, further compromised by uncontrolled fires not combated by depleted sprinkler systems, emergency workers heard it groaning well before it began to collapse and thus evacuated their people from it leading to no casualties when it fell, and it eventually fell, taking ~41 seconds to do so at a sectional rate. No explosions heard, no windows blown out, and otherwise no evidence of any explosives having been used.
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
@BigMikeMcBastard Exploions were heard inside tower 7. Just by looking how it came down is so obvious that it was brought down by explosives.
jankowitts 1 year ago
@jankowitts No, explosions weren't heard, or this would have been blown over when alllll the firefighters/cops etc heard and saw the explosions and the glass blowing out. They also probably wouldn't have heard the building groaning and anticipated its collapse, and it would have come down very quickly rather than taking 41 seconds or so.
Even if there were actual signs of explosives in action, the logistics behind smuggling them in and planting them without anyone noticing is highly implausible.
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
@BigMikeMcBastard watch?v=MwSc7NPn8Ok I advise you to watch that video. It seems you havn done much research on the subject. The collapse was anticiapted, and it didnt take 41 one secs to fall.....idk where you came upwith that. All im saying is just look ruther into it.
jankowitts 1 year ago
@jankowitts What am I supposed to be looking for in this video? I've seen this stuff before.
It did in fact take around 41 seconds to fall based on the guys on the ground who saw it collapsing (in sections) and timed it. And again, no explosions were heard, and the windows were not blown out. I'm sure your watching YouTube videos has made you qualified to determine how and why buildings like 7 WTC collapse, but have you ever considered that you're suggesting something there's no evidence for?
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
@BigMikeMcBastard And timed it? Your just flat out lying if you say tower 7 took that long fall because not even the other towers took that long. In that video there is a eye witness interview that explains what was happening in the building right before it's collapse. You should cite the sources of your information because I don't believe you.
jankowitts 1 year ago
@jankowitts Firefighters heard it groaning and knew it was going to collapse well before it collapsed, which is why nobody was hurt/killed when it fell as they had cleared all their guys out beforehand. They are the ones who gave accounts of how it fell, what parts fell first, and how long it took to fall.
I don't care if you believe me. I'm just relaying what the firefighters reported. If you think they're maybe in on the conspiracy or otherwise untrustworthy, well, that's that then.
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
@BigMikeMcBastard Na man I'm just asking for the sources of the information youd sharing because I heard differently.
jankowitts 1 year ago
@jankowitts Have you read the FEMA report on it?
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
@BigMikeMcBastard Yea it's false information. Your believing lies..
jankowitts 1 year ago
@jankowitts I've yet to read any report in a peer reviewed engineering journal which refutes the assessment FEMA gave. I guess you're assuming it's inaccurate because you believe the government is responsible and thus automatically any government-related body is untrustworthy?
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
@BigMikeMcBastard So you 100% believe a fire took tower 7 down in the fashion that it fell?
jankowitts 1 year ago
@jankowitts Who cares what I believe happened? The best you or I can do is to read what the experts have to say, use a little common sense to deduce which experts are credible and which aren't, and choose one side of the issue or the other to accept as closest to reality.
In this case, the people saying it was fire/etc are renowned experts who work at universities around the world and who have published their opinions in peer-reviewed journals. The other guys write stuff on the Internet.
So...
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
@BigMikeMcBastard Why were70% of the questions asked by victims family members unanswered? Why was there molten steel burning months later after the attacks? Why was tower 7 left out of the official 9/11 report? How did the buildings fall as quickly as they did? There are so many unanswered questions......if you defend the 9/11 story that was fed to you by the media and the false official reports then I feel as if you are sleep walking
jankowitts 1 year ago
@jankowitts Nice arbitrary percentage, 70%. Sure it's not 70.03%?
There was no molten steel.
7 WTC was addressed by the NIST report.
Read what the engineers have written if you want to know whyy they fell.
There aren't unanswered questions, there are just answers you've decided don't count because they disagree with what you have decided actually happened. It's the same strategy creationists use. Decide X thing happened and then reject all the evidence that disagrees with your conclusion.
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
@BigMikeMcBastard There was molten steel..you must be working for them...hope to god I dont see a response to this from you because you havnt done any research to why people are questioning 9/11 .
jankowitts 1 year ago
@jankowitts They're questioning because they live in a fantasy world and have decided to focus their energy on shit that didn't happen instead of all the ACTUAL bad stuff the US government was guilty of and continues to be guilty of.
BigMikeMcBastard 1 year ago
@BigMikeMcBastard Thanks for your awful opinion George w bush...little do u know you are in that fantasy world.
jankowitts 1 year ago
@jankowitts Just watch Michael Ruppert on 9/11 and come back and say that same statment.
ha38bb1 11 months ago
If they go to progressive outlets, many follow the same pattern because it's "good radio". Look at the content on several Pacifica stations. More of it now is commercial hosts/content. Why? Bottom line corporate MSM reasoning: money and ratings.
Ambushing Amy Goodman on 9/11 might get you lots of views. But other than that, has it changed anything? No.
whereismybailouttv 1 year ago
The other thing that he didn't mention was the egos of many of the people involved.
At the moment, we're still in a corporate MSM soundbite culture. Many people for whatever reason choose to stick with this. Then, when different 9/11 "experts" come on, theyr'e told by the network to either play ball or no access. Viewers see a screaming head "debate" and think they're nuts.
whereismybailouttv 1 year ago
9/11 ruined my conspiracy that New York was just a film set.... Damn....
SmogHouseTradingCo 1 year ago
@iamborghini1 I am smart. From what I can tell you're hardly even literate.
"u aren't very smart are u.... that okay..." Ironic that you're telling me I'm not smart whilst exemplifying your own illiteracy.
Also, if by smart you mean able to assess what is likely to have happened on 9/11, clearly you and your friends on youtube are the morons in this regard. You see planes hitting buildings, fire (which explain building 7 which feel hours after the other two), debris flying,etc...
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf ... And somehow you think it's more likely that the gov't planted explosives in the buildings than that they feel b/c of the planes. Answer this question: Why would it be worth all the trouble for the gov't to plant explosives in buildings when they were hit by planes anyways?
Even if for whatever whacky reasons, planes hitting buildings could not possibly bring them down, it's not like 9/11 would not have been a tragedy if they hadn't come down.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf ... You'd think planes hitting two of the largest buildings in the world (I think, the largest) in the middle of New York would have been enough to justify the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Instead of using your conspiracy theory avoidance techniques actually address and try to fill in this gaping hole in your theory.
bahramf 1 year ago
@iamborghini1 No, I'm even less smart than the millions on scientists and engineers who agree that planes flying into buildings could have brought them down.
bahramf 1 year ago
@iamborghini1 Except, that's not a fact.
bahramf 1 year ago
Are you guys even open to changing your minds or is this 9/11 conspiracy your religion or something?
bahramf 1 year ago
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@bahramf Me I am fully open to change my mind. But after seeing countless testimonies and videos of explosions, all you have to say is "Do I have to believe everything publicity whore firemen say?" lol ok that is not going to convince me I am not as gullible as you are im afraid.
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@bahramf watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE
footage of the explosions
footage of the 45 degree molten steel
along with tons of other facts kk thx
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish I've seen the movie, it's full of logical fallacies.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf Osama was also a CIA agent, William Cooper predicted the event, Bush didnt react as he was told of the attacks (filmed), somehow the government wasnt able to counter hijacked planes (maybe thats why they rushed on site to find the black box and hide it, because it contains evidence that they were aware of the hijacking ) and you know I can go on and on and on. Now you are pretty good at disregarding absolutely everything by just saying everything is bullshit. But I understandwhatgoingon
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish I'm not disregarding this stuff; it's just not credible. I don't know why you don't get that.
bahramf 1 year ago
@FloMonKish Popular Mechanics debunks all this supposed evidence.
bahramf 1 year ago
@FloMonKish Why do you think someone predicting an event means??? That really isn't evidence for anything. Do you not understand why?
"somehow the government wasnt able to counter hijacked planes" That's evidence for bad national security, not an inside job. Sorry bud. Chomsky admits the gov't didn't do enough to stop the attacks. I'll admit that. This doesn't mean they were behind it.
I could not stop someone from throwing an egg at your house, and yet I'm notthereforeresponsible.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf *The first word should be What, not Why.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf Ok ill hand it to you theres no evidence that says the government did it FOR SURE. But does that really mean anything as well? I mean you put all the pieces of the puzzle together and what you find is very much less than promising for their innocence. And seriously, with all their efforts to brainwash and oppress the people, dont you find it hard to believe they have nothing to do with this? when it is just SO CONVENIENT for them?
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish Well, I'm glad you admitted the obvious fact that there is no evidence that actually connects the gov't to the tragedies of 9/11. What you fail to understand is that there is no puzzle to be solved. And unless all the connecting pieces are there (which you admit they are not all there) you don't have a convincing picture.
It's convenient that I was sleeping in my bed the morning of 9/11/2001. Does that mean I had something to do with it?
bahramf 1 year ago
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@FloMonKish Well, I'm glad you admitted the obvious fact that there is no evidence that actually connects the gov't to the tragedies of 9/11. What you fail to understand is that there is no puzzle to be solved. And unless all the connecting pieces are there (which you admit they are not all there) you don't have a convincing picture.
It's convenient that I was sleeping in my bed the morning of 9/11/2001. Does that mean I had something to do with it?
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf You'd think they would never do such a thing but what tells you they are not relying on this to get away with it? 3000 people dead, for the ruling class, thats nothing man. The amount of benefit they can get out of that event... now THATS something for them. They wouldnt lose sleep over this im sure your aware of this. They are the illuminated ones, they think what they did was for the good of mankind, sacrifices must be made for the new world order.
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish Unfortunately all of what you're writing is non-sense. As Chomsky pointed out, just because someone benefits from a tragedy does not make them the offender of the tragedy.
They're relying on me thinking logically and not making wild assumptions and unfounded accusations? Sure; let them.
I don't know if they're illuminated, but you're basically in the dark.
bahramf 1 year ago
@FloMonKish Also, stop putting words in my mouth. I never said they're not capable of killing 3000 of their own people or that they did not benefit from the events. They could, and they may have been in on 9/11. What I'm pointing out is that you have no good evidence that they were in on it, so it's hard to understand why any reasonable person should agree with you.
bahramf 1 year ago
@FloMonKish As Chomsky says, if you really have evidence, submit it to a scholarly, peer-reviewed journal. A movie isn't evidence for anything. Especially a shoddy movie like "Loose Change". No one will try and silence you if you submit to any scholarly journal. Actually, give me the data and I'll submit it. That way you don't have to risk the gov't killing you or whatever other crazy thing you think is going on.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf lol alright well I personally have no evidence, all I have seen is the videos of explosions, 45 degree cut molten steel pictures, weird events such as the building evacuation couple weeks before, no black box found, no plane rubble at the pentagon, no plane footage of the pentagon (my phone camera films better than the pentagon security cam lol wow I wonder why) and the overall sens that it was conveninent for the government, Bush had good relations with osama
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish Yeah, well you're right; that's not evidence.
bahramf 1 year ago
@FloMonKish No plane rubble... rense [.] com/general32/phot [.] htm So, how do you explain these photographs?
bahramf 1 year ago
@FloMonKish ...It is apparent to the meanest intellect upon the slightest reflection that that movie is propaganda and full of inconsistencies and fallacies. I can point them out to you one by one. Popular Mechanics made a response to all their claims and show why they're all bogus. Search "Popular Mechanics 9/11" on youtube.
Actually search for the truth from both sides. So far you've looked at conspiracy videos made by a few 20 year olds. If you call that searching for the truth...
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf (this is a NOTE to ALL people watching this video and reading these comments, @bahramf is either an employed "agent" sitting in his little room, probably obese and unable to leave is room, being fed by the government to spread doubt and keep the people asleep OR is is such an ignorant AssHOLE MORON that his little brain cannot see past his McDonald's and next vaccinate appointment. WAKE UP PEOPLE and IGNORE this excuse for a human. WAKE UP PEOPLE, the Truth is upon YOU
ukbands 1 year ago
@ukbands Yeah, I work for George Bush directly. This is all a conspiracy. Be afraid, be very afraid. Also, listen to ukbands and his ad hominem argument. Don't listen to the logical arguments I've presented. Don't worry ukbands, if people who watch this are anything like you, they'll have to problem closing their ears to reason.
bahramf 1 year ago
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I hope if nothing else, you'll all consider taking a critical thinking course. They're probably available at a local community college. Present your theory to the prof, see what she/he says. I'm confident that once they explain to you how flawed your reasoning is, unless you're just morons, you'll reconsider your ridiculous theory.
bahramf 1 year ago
I hope if nothing else, you'll all consider taking a critical thinking course. They're probably available at a local community college. Present your theory to the prof, see what she/he says. I'm confident that once they explain to you how flawed your reasoning is, unless you're just morons, you'll reconsider your ridiculous theory.
bahramf 1 year ago
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Do Professor Chomsky know about the organization called Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth?
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jstoltz309 1 year ago
Chomsky is the most critical scholar of US foreign policy. Aside from that address one of his arguments. Don't just call him a fraud b/c he has good arguments. You have all stupid arguments and people yelling on video tape calling everyone but themselves sheep and morons... for believing that two giant planes carrying jet fuel could bring down two buildings.
Who are the real fools here?
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf Fools are those who, in front of all the facts and proofs, decide to turn a blind eye to the reality. That is all. If a government manages to kill thousands of its own citizen voluntarily without causing a revolution. That indicates they have their population very well enslaved.
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish Where are all the facts and proofs? It seems to me you're ignoring reality and trying to save a wild conspiracy theory which is completely unfounded.
bahramf 1 year ago
He doesnt even address the FED. Or either banking cartels..
noogetful 1 year ago
NO CREDIBILITY WHATSOEVER... Notice the 2 comments on the top and stay there regardless of how many people like the other comments below... Noam Chomsky's "Theory of the truth" is so flawed its unreal. the threats he talks about are fiction , blatant false propaganda videos using Bin laden look-a-likes is hilarious , only a mug would believe the official story... are you a MUG?
ukbands 1 year ago
@ukbands What "theory of truth" are you talking about.
bahramf 1 year ago
There are plenty of "Leaks" just no one listens to the "leaks" The few people at the top who are fully aware of the agenda of control don't admit this to the supposedly unaware people in high places who make things happen (all mesons) but assure them also that it is no a conspiracy, in exactly the way this guy is attempting to do. You would think the way he talks this has never happened, it has and is fully documented and in the public domain, but few bother to research the facts.
ukbands 1 year ago 2
@ukbands There are "leaks" of people seeking publicity making wild and unfounded accusations. Fortunately, as with any whistle-blowing, the whistle-blower needs evidence to support their claims.
That's what you "truthers" lack.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf you seem to think everything is unfounded yet people are able to predict future actions of the government. here is an example :
watch?v=zrTjPGy2k_U&feature=related
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish That video was posted in 2009 and the attacks were in 2001. If you ask me, that's not a prediction.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf hehehe yes the video was posted by some random person in 2009, but William Cooper's radio show aired June 2001, and I think it was written on the video also? So if you do the math, its about 3 months before the attack
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish I don't see how he predicted the attacks.
He just said be prepared for an attack amongst other non-sense. He didn't mention NY, the trade center or any time or date. How is that a prediction?
Also, I didn't think the "Marxist, Communist, puke-faced, lying, subversive, Nazi Jack-booted Gestapo thugs..." remarks helped his credibility.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf He knew there would be an attack, and that it would be blamed on Ben laden, so that they would have a reason to go to war. What he had predicted, is exactly what happened 3 months later. And for you to say he loses his credibility after something so irrelevant as that comment, proves you are running away from the facts, and that you are searching for anything you can find to bring him down. What you are lacking, is evidence for your claims.
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish That's not a fact. That's a guy on the radio running his mouth blabbering and something of all the nonsense he speaks magically comes true. Also for a prediction to e a prediction it has to be specific.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf Iv tried putting up links to interesting articles pointing out facts but youtube is not letting me.....i wonder why? anyways look them up yourself if you want to know the truth its up to you
cheers
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish No, it's not up to me. Reality doesn't depend on my wanting to believe in conspiracy theories.
You think youtube is with the gov't??? You're a moron.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf From what I can see, you have only been pointing fingers, claiming the government had no involvement despite all the facts being presented to you. Im afraid you need to present some type of evidence for your unfounded claims. Or else there is no point for me to continue educating you, since you already decided to turn a blind eye to it all.
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish WHAT FACTS!!! You haven't presented any. Certainly the burden of proof is on you. You have a crazy opinion, you need a crazy amount of evidence to support it.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf History suggests that if you believe in your government, YOU are crazy. No empire has ever been righteous and honnest. For you to believe this one is, makes you the one needing to provide evidence of its righteousness. I would love and am fully willing to believe the government is what you say it is, by all means. But facts prove otherwise
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish What facts??? What history shows that?
You're just making things up, do you know the difference between that and facts?
bahramf 1 year ago
@FloMonKish ...Also, the gov't doesn't have to be righteous and honest (as Chomsky as pointed out thousands of time, the US is not) to have not killed thousands of their own people and one of the largest capitalist symbols in the country.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf The US Government ALSO needed evidence to support their CLAIMS of real terrorists, that have none, just lies which have been squashed many times, so which version do you believe? the government lies and the press who publish all their lies OR the truth seekers (which holds more weight and evidence) which the press/media do not publish, the Governments Theory was blown out of the water so they need to come up with more lies if they want the mass population to be sucked in
ukbands 1 year ago 7
@ukbands That's not true, there are videos made by popular mechanics on youtube explaining that there is no evidence for a conspiracy theory.
The US gov't has evidence. Bin Laden is video-taped confessing his involvement in the attacks. There's video tape of planes flying into buildings... Honestly, what more do you want? How skeptical are we supposed to be not to be sheep.
Incidentally, you've presented no evidence for your side. I'm skeptical of you and your intelligence.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf you obviously watch too much TV and don't do enough evidence collection yourself , its all out there, The official conspiracy theory (official story & lies which the people have been fed) which is filled with many many flaws and unanswered questions.
Anyone who believes the official crap does need a BIG wake up call to the real world,
Do you know all about the London 7/705 so called terrorist bombing?
its like they nicked the scrip from the CIA on how to do a 911 False Flag
ukbands 1 year ago
@ukbands The truth is "out there" huh? Take a critical thinking course; I beg of you. Most community colleges offer them.
Yeah, I know about the transport bombers in London... Your point is???
That's the thing about bad logic, you make claims and expect everyone else to connect that dots. Be explicit and clear and actually argue. Don't just tell me I'm a sheep. That won't convince anybody - and it shouldn't!!!
It probably has convinced you at some point, and that's why you need help.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf Its NOT up to me to educate YOU, go do this yourself son, simply believing the official shit they spew out to the sheep via the totally controlled media, like I say, all the evidence is there for an inquiry for 7/7 yet there has never been one, the BBC tried to discredit the people who raise the questions but all the UK people received was a load of lies, contradictions and many many inconsistencies, that's all I have to say on the matter, go research and think what you want,
ukbands 1 year ago
@ukbands I can't believe this sort of non-sense gets thumbs up. Paranoid nut-job w/o argument believes whacko conspiracy.
Great!
bahramf 1 year ago
@ukbands You called yourself a 'truth seeker'. Do you really think someone as uneducated as yourself deserves that title?
bahramf 1 year ago
@ukbands You're just such a moron.
bahramf 1 year ago
@ukbands That's b/c the leaks are not credible.
bahramf 1 year ago
@ukbands There are plenty off leaks. Not about 9/11 being an inside job though. Read the wikileaks documents. No leaks that support your conspiracy theory.
bahramf 1 year ago
I'm totally with you 2caledonia,the official story is riddled with lies and huge inaccuracies,i get bored of the ignorant deniers,let them think what they will,there are none so blind as those who dont want to see.Check out "September Clues".
mark9780 1 year ago
WHO CARES???????
This guy is out of his mind.
Anyone who could say or even think that nobody cares if their Government blows their own innocent citizens to pieces has got to be a stark raving lunatic.
Why anyone would even bother to listen to anything this madman has to say is way beyond me.
Atom299 1 year ago
@Atom299 people who seek the truth listens, people who are too weak to believe ignore
FloMonKish 1 year ago 2
They would have had to be insane.
Airlines would not need to be involved in the conspiracy
The 'leaks' have happened, and not yet ended up in firing squads, or the end of the republican party
The implication, or lack of, Iraq in 9/11 has nonetheless worked, we're at war, Blair and Bush aren't in jail
Does Chomsky realise that Jeff King - an engineer from MIT thinks the towers were demolished
It is Chomskys 'denial of the obvious' that the inside job view is credible, that lacks credibility.
wearechangenorwich 1 year ago 2
@wearechangenorwich Wow, a single engineer seeking publicity made an unfounded claim?! What a shock.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf
One of many, King just happens to be from MIT as is Chomsky who suggested, such people have the serious [technical] knowledge and understanding required to judge. Believe what you like. You ask elsewhere - who are the real fools - which is also exactly what the Chemist Prof. Niels Harrit of the uni of Copenhagen said after pointing out that there is no evidence to support the official theory at all. Every point Chomsky makes is totally flawed - THAT is a shock.
wearechangenorwich 1 year ago
@wearechangenorwich How are they flawed? Show me!!!! Argue. You take a Chemist's words about political philosophical arguments???
"Believe what you like."
I won't believe what I like. I'll believe what's true; you believe what you like.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf Facts are things like molten steel cut in a precise angle so that the building would fall, something planes could never do, only pre-planted devices. The WTC was evacuated by governement officials couple weeks before to sustain "inspection" the only time they could implant thermite cutter charge in the building. There are large amount firemen on site that testified hearing explosions post crash, coming from underground. This fact points out government involvement, how do you defend?
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@bahramf There are other facts I can enumerate but theres so much and I cant possibly write all of them, maybe this one will be enough to make you think outside the box
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish You're such a cliche conspiracy theorist moron.
I'm a philosopher. I think outside the box. You're a moron, you don't.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf You are not a philosopher because if you were, you wouldnt call me a moron blindly like this. And you would know how to conduct an argument without interference of your ego. Just give me your thoughts on the facts, we'll see what gives
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish I think that Osama Bin Laden made a video where he confessed his involvement in the attacks (fact). That's usually enough to get someone in convicted in court. So, what's your evidence that he was lying? You know there is a huge bounty of his head, right?
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf This is a very good thing to point out actually. Did you know that osama was a former cia agent? He had a very good relationship with Bush, several meetings have taken place recorded and it is known that they were on good terms and shared common interests. Could there really be a conspiracy without fabricated evidence?
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish I knew that, but they were not on good terms after the attack. As far as anyone knows, Bin Laden was in some cave in Pakistan or Afghanistan; Bush was in Washington DC USA.
They could have had sex with each other. This still isn't evidence of anything.
Also, when, eventually you present some evidence, can I just say it is fabricated?
Also, my next piece of evidence is the videos of planes hitting buildings on Sept. 11th 2001. Was that fabricated too?
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf You have not provided any counter for the facts, therefore you have lost the argument
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish That's not how it works. The burden of proof is on you. I can't counter an argument that hasn't been made either, and none of you have put together any arguments with premises leading to a conclusion.
Also, the facts you've presented are a half prediction by a guy on the radio who probably says crazy things like that every day, and finally one sort of came true (although he didn't predict the method of attack, the state or city, etc...).
I predict an earthquake in the new year.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf .... you see how that's not a prediction?
That's something that happens all the time. I didn't predict the size, the place, or anything else substantial. Also, you brought up attacks in London on the transit system which you take to be a classical gov't controlled attack, however you've presented no evidence for that being the case.
You all just seem to believe something with little to no evidence. Why don't you join a cult? Better yet, the catholic church.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf explain the 45 degree motel steel pillars ignited by pre-placed thermite bombs? Which is in fact the only way the building could collapse. Tell me why terrorists would fly planes into the building if they already have everything in place to make the building collapse? Ill tell you what the planes flying on the building are for, its for a cover up, if you think not then explain?
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@bahramf explain why both of the plane's blackbox were never found? If like you said, the terrorists "admitted" they committed the act, what possible reasons could they have to hide the blackbox? explain please
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@bahramf Dont worry, I dont expect you to come up with anything constructive since all you been doing is evading the subject and pointing fingers at irrelevant things. It doesnt matter if you dont understand what really happened. You can live in your fairy tale all you want it wont change anything actually its probably better for all of us thanks.
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish You're living in a fairly tale. The person who is skeptical is not (i.e. me).
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf lol ok well it would of been better if you could of explained couple things but its not like you could really do anything except deny the facts. Regardless of what you think about the situation, you cant just assume the government was not involved so blindly. That is such an American brainwashed sheep way to go about it. Tell me when in history, have a government been righteous? Your gonna tell me the states now? haha so naive
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish I'm not saying their righteous, only that there is no evidence that they are so wicked as to have killed 3000 of their own people - in as direct a way as you seem to believe. They may very well have not done enough to stop the attacks (as Chomsky is saying). That's not a sheepish belief. I might be wrong about it, but this is just to pay lip-service to human fallibility. It's a very moderate, sensible belief.
Yours is crazy and btw, you haven't provided any 'facts'...
bahramf 1 year ago
@FloMonKish ...in your favour. I don't know how you think you have since you literally haven't even presented what you think are fact, nevertheless actual facts.
Again, I'm not naive, since I, nor Chomsky, believe, or have to believe, the gov't is righteous to believe they were not directly involved in the death of 3000 people. I believe they are responsible to a great degree for not stopping the attacks.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf ... You've very convincingly demonstrated your dogmatism about this issue to me.
What would it take for you not to have faith in the wickedness of the US. It seems to me no amount of evidence, reason, etc. would do it for you, so I don't think this convo is going very well. You'll just believe what you want despite evidence to the contrary, and I'll be sensible and believe things according to reason and facts.
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf The only thing is that, considering the fact that there was 3 following explosions after the crash, and that the building only fell after those explosions, and that these explosions were required to molt the steel in a 45 degree angle causing the buldings to collapse. This renders the plane crash unnecessary for a terrorist attack. The only plausible reason for having planes crashing into the buildings would be for everyone to see them as the cause, to make the talibans obvious to blame
FloMonKish 1 year ago
@FloMonKish What explosions? Do you have any evidence for them?
bahramf 1 year ago
@bahramf oh damn ok you really havent searched up on this. Somehow I cant post the direct link, but if you go on google and search : firemen 911 explosions
You will see a lot of testimonial videos of firemen on site at 911 explaining the explosions and the following collapse of the buildings.
FloMonKish 1 year ago