Also Mike Tyson got beaten by bums at the end of his career who he would have destroyed in his prime it happens to everyone, does that mean he was no good any more coz that happened ? No he is a legend and so is Fedor anyone with some intelligence will come to the same conclusion end of !!!
Fedor is a living legend and I respect him alot but his time has come it happens to everyone look at Mohamed Ali at the end of his career he was geting beaten by bums who he would have destroyed in his prime just like Fedor !!! People need to remember he went ten years undefeated and the only reason Dana White talks smack about Fedor is coz Fedor didn't fight in Danas organization the UFC !!!! It's time people woke up Fedor is a legend pieriod !!!!!!
you have good points, but fighters from Japan dissappointed in the UFC. CroCop won the pride tourney when he went to the UFC and couldn't do anything there. And what about the Japanese fighters.
And also many people don't trust the Japanese setting.
@ArmTriangleChoke Who would have been a real fight for him? An ex WWE wrestler? lol he got alot more competition in strikeforce than he did in the UFC.
@ArmTriangleChoke You should've watched this video. It's a shame how people are fans of "UFC" and not "MMA" but oh well. Back in his era he DOMINATED PRIDE. Regardless of whether "competition has improved", you can say the same about many other athletes... Would Rocky Marciano have dominated so heavily if he fought against guys like Lennox Lewis? It doesn't matter, because he cleared out and dominated his era.
@SpyWhoLovedHimself Fact is Fedor is a fake. 3-3. He did great in his fake catchwrestling bouts. None of which were mma. UFC is the only relevant mma now.
@ArmTriangleChoke You are a complete fucking moron. What you said is straight out of Chael Sonnen's mouth - you know this. The fact is that you are a typical AMERICAN fan of MMA: completely biased in favor of the UFC and incapable of having a thought of your own and just follows what Dana White tells you. Fact is that Fedor of 2004 would DEMOLISH Cain Velasquez and take the UFC heavyweight belt. The ONLY fighter in the UFC I can see beating prime Fedor is Jon Jones, but even then odds favor Fedo
@PCoderch Fedor can demolish anyone in his fake fights. I already state that. But when Fedor goes to mma, he gets dominated by Werdum, Bigfoor (who sucks) and Hendo.
@PCoderch Fedor can demolish anyone in his fake fights. I already state that. But when Fedor goes to mma, he gets dominated by Werdum, Bigfootr (who sucks) and Hendo.
about fedor, i agree with the points u made on him too, about how he will never be the same because of age and most of all his DECADE OF LEGACY and how he will always be the best mma fighter of all time
I am very impressed by all the points you made and covered, especially the one with the past Pride vs UFC skill level, which I agree is ridiculous. I think one of the main reasons why people believe if a fighter isnt in the UFC, it means he really isnt that good, is because of the money, popularity, and hype that surrounds the UFC vs any other fighting organization, especially with all the silly talk that Dana White makes which brainwashes naivee mma fans.
@dhood619 Anderson Silva beat nothing but cans since Dan Henderson. Seriously who are they gonna put him against next to keep him having a perfect record in the UFC? Rematch with Chris Leben? Akiyama? Maybe Bispbing? lol
@ARandomCanadian ya thats true, but who has fedor fought? who has he fought in his hole career, it seems like hes been fighting nobodies his hole career, i mean is their any fighter in the ufc rite now that fedor has fought? lol i dnt think so
@dhood619 Just about every UFC champ there was. Nog, Crocop, Mark Hunt and those guys aren't doing too bad either considering how old they are and how many beatings they took.
@dhood619 Crocop 38, Nog 35, Mark Hunt 37. Nottice a patern there? They're all old fighters, they're past their prime. I'm still chuckling that Brendan Schaub who was supposed to become a #1 contender got knock the fuck out by a 35 year old Noguera. JDS barely finished an old crocop, Mark Hunt beat Ben Rothwell who apparently everybody said Cain deserved a title shot because that he beat him.
He didn't fight Shogan, Silva, Rampage, Wandi and he just lost to hendo you can't judge pride's talent pool for heavyweights based on middleweights. All you can base it on are people he fought at heavyweight and how they did after. That's Cro Cop, Nog and Barrett
@dgtdsgn there was no big difference between middleweights and heavyweights in pride, hard to say which was the better division, i mean wandi was the most dominant middleweight in prid, he koed rampage twice and and is 1-1 with hendo, lost to him after this devasting knockout loss to cro cop, and did you know that wandi was heavier than cro cop in their first fight?
@UsernameAKvsM I'm not saying any middleweights in Pride were lacking in skill, I was just pointing out that fedor didn't fight any of them, so the quality of his heavyweight opponents in Pride (most of whom never fought anywhere else but Japan and with only Japanese Promotion competition) have nothing to do with the quality of the middleweights to come out of PRIDE
MMA as a sport is growing so fast. Unfortunately the majority of the fans are brain washed it to believing fightings like GSP are p4p best in the world
I think I started regardin' Fedor Emelianenko as a FALSE GOD when ppl were so overzealous in thinkin' dat he'd never lose. Now dat he's lost twice, it does seem like he's declined... He might have some more fights in 'em, tho.
Also, there have been ppl dat said Fedor doesn't have good boxing; one of which was a fan of Fedor, ironically, an' we all seen proof o' dat when he fought Arlovski an' basically had his shit pushed up in 'em in da standin' portion of dat fight.
... legacy, but da fact of da matter is, an' dis has been proven time an' time again, no matter how good u think u or some1 else is, there's always some1 better. He'll probably never get into da UFC cuz of da fact dat... well... his management, an' Dana.
Fedor's decline is attributed to a combination of things IMO. His body is getting old, his M1 promotion/management team got the big head and became too greedy, MMA fighters are constantly evolving and figuring his game and his style, just like they eventually did with R.Gracie back in the day, and lastly, he has lost is killer instinct. I think sometimes fighters like him focus on bigger priorities in their lives at certain stages, such as family, religion, and side businesses. Still a legend!
Im a huge Fedor fan. As we know now he plan to carry on fighting. First in Russia then in Japan and when he win this two fight he suppose to be back in USA in 2012. Well, I will always watch Fedor fights and support him but my mind tell me he is over. He is not the same physically and mentally. Also I think he realized all modern fighters evolved so much since Pides days. And this fact makes he's not so confident before fight.
26 wins in a row, 18 wins over top-10, more wins over any former/future UFC fighter, only heavy weight to defend title against number two heavyweight...twice. The results speak for themselves, Fedor is G.O.A.T. Anyone saying otherwise hasn't been following MMA closely and long enough to properly evaluate Fedor's skills.
Look you're right with your underlying point, but your basing it all on inaccurate "facts." Yes Fedor absolutely IS the greatest MMA fighter of all time. But your facts have far too many holes in them and it weakens your case significantly.
6.) Mr Josh Barnett is the poster boy for steriod users and cheating for all of MMA. Not everyone can claim to have destroyed an entire MMA promotion by cheating, but Barnett can. No way in hell Dana White lets him back in the UFC.
5.) The big guys Fedor fought? You missed most of them. Kerry Schall, Semmy Schilt, Mark Hunt, Zuluzino (Wagner Martins), Tim Sylvia, Hong-Man Choi, Brett Rogers. These are the huge guys he fought and beat. You missed most of the really big ones.
4.) Fedor evolved? To some degree sure, but he almost never threw a kick in his career. What would it be like if he'd mastered Muay Thai? Fedor was amazing, but he could have been even better IMHO. He was so successful with what he had, I don't think he ever saw the need to train in any other disciplines.
3.) How would UFC fighters from the same era have done? Well, Tito Ortiz beat Wanderlei Silva with relative ease and that was before Wanderlei went on to dominate Pride FC. Coleman, Randleman, Barnett -- all of them lost their title and then went to Pride FC ... and still did pretty good. Coleman won the first ever Grand Prix, for instance. But they were not the UFC's best.
2.) Yes Wanderlei Silva DID do bad when he got the the UFC. He's never been the same fighter since consecutive KO losses to Cro Cop and Dan Henderson. He's been terrible in the UFC -- but that doesn't mean Wandy wasn't one of the best ever.
I do gotta call BS on some of what the guy in the video said:
1.) Liddell fought in the UFC five times before setting foot in the Pride ring with Guy Mezger. He would fight in the UFC five more times before entering the Pride 2003 Grand Prix tournament in which he beat Alistair Overeem and then lost to Rampage Jackson. Three total Pride FC fights. Chuck Liddell came from the UFC, and the person in the video is the ignorant, uneducated idiot -- at least in this case.
Great video and its great to see knowledged fans of the sport expressing their toughts. I have had enough with all these fans disrespecting the legends like Fedor who were the best of all time in MMA so far.
This is a great video. You argue convincingly and you do so with the same class the man himself is known for. Thanks for creating.
I think the reason we see so much scorn poured on Fedor is because of the influence a certain promoter has over fans and over the MMA media.
Few boxing fans or media go to Don King for balanced, unbiased views about boxers, least of all boxers with whom Don has collided. Sadly, the MMA landscape is different, and the man in question yields unmerited influence.
I love Fedor, but one thing you can't overlook is he turning down a shit load of money to come fight Brock for the UFC title - which i think he could've won at the time. Had this happen people would've not bitch about him right now, and his legacy would've been forever cemented.
@lastscv That's not true at all. Ufc fans have always said Fedor needs to fight whoever the current champ is to prove himself to them. The same idiots used to say the same thing about Sylvia and Arlovski. Whoever is the champ is the guy Fedor has to beat, then he beat them then they said oh that guy sucked he has to beat so and so now. Fedor could never win with those "fans" because they are simply biased. No one ever bashed Fedor until dana started his smear campaign.
I don't know if he will fight again or not; I'll respect his choice either way. But I do think that with an improved camp and a SMART gameplan he is still an elite fighter. You've said it many times before - he is excellent in all aspects of MMA. Those skills couldn't have disappeared - Fedor keeps in shape and works on technique year-round. He has to implement them again, fight smarter, focus, don't rush and brawl and end up in stupid situations like he has in the past several fights.
@geosochi That's his only real problem now, he comes to brawl instead of fight smart like he used to. If he mixed up his game again and spent more time training on the ground he would easily have some more fights left in him.
I think you hit it on the nail when you said that Fedor has come out to brawl in his last three fights. True, he's done the same in his previous three fights, and it worked - only because they weren't world class opponents. He seems to have fallen in love with the one-punch knockout. The problem is that brawling and going for the big knockout punch against the TRULY elite opponents is a horrible idea, I think it's obvious enough. He clears lacks a gameplan and underutilizes his other talents.
U dont understand? Difference is those pride fighters chose to fight top contenders recently. Fact is last time Fedor fought top contender was in 2005. Since then he has not fought top contender. And even in Pride he fought a few cans to pat that record. So at best Fedor was the best in 2005. And he has lost 3 straight, not even to top contender. He avoided ufc 2x. Fine. He avoided Overeem 2x. All those are facts. Deny them and u are a functioning retard.
guys in 2002 fedor destroyed prime contender heath herring in the first round tko doctors stoppage in 2009 brock fought heath and took him to decision.... need i say more?
@toyhunter9 when fedor was in his prime fighting people the level of competition was not very good. Ali is known as the greatest ever because when he was champ in the early 70's boxing has already been around for a couple of decades and the level of competition was at a high. Should Fedor be labled as "GOAT" even tho he has not faced the competition levels as a "GOAT" like Ali? fedor is great but goat is far fetched.
But that's the point. PRIDE's collapse gave the UFC a magnet for new talent. In '04 or '05, Velasquez or Dos Santos (or guys their equivalent) would have probably gone into PRIDE had it continued, and given Fedor new competition. I agree that despite 3 losses, he's still the best P4P of all time, due to how good Cro-Cop and Noguiera were (Silva is certainly close, I just don't think the middleweight division has ever been "stacked"). But he has avoided the best in the last 5 years.
CHUCK LIDDELL fought in pride just for the tournament and had only 2 fights there...
and randy couture has less fights than fedor but randy startet in mma with 36...
but with the most arguments i agree....
Fedor fought for over 15 years in mma, judo, sambo and people gets old... chuck liddell got knocked out his last 3 fights, randy couture, mirko crocop, antonio silva...fedor age and his injuries makes the difference between the pride fedor and the fedor we last saw,
@DeepVoiceMan I hate it when people say Fedor avoids top competition. Sylvia, Arlovski, Werdum, and Silva were all top 10 heavyweights at the time he fought them and he would've fought Josh Barnett (another top 10) if Barnett didn't get caught juicing. Plus Coleman, Hunt, Rogers, and Matt Lindland are no slouches either.
Also, your argument of "Fedor accomplished a lot, therefore he would have done well in UFC" is idiotic. What did Werdum or Antonio Silva accomplish compared to Fedor? Didn't stop Werdum from tapping him out like a white belt, or Silva from beating the holy fuck out of him.
Stop polluting Youtube and the MMA community with your nonsense.
You Fedor nuthuggers are pathetic and make yourself look stupid every time you open your mouths. Chuck Liddell isn't a former Pride champion, he went over there as a UFC representative. You killed your credibility before you even got started. Also, I love how, when talking about the talent pool of Pride, you listed ALL LHWs. The talent pool of the LHW division is IRRELEVANT, Fedor fought at HW (although that didnt stop him from fighting LHWs and MWs).
haha what a troll you are??? you seriosly searching for fedor vids in the web, just for talking trash about him and his fans???? man get a girlfriend or a new video game
he didnt say chuck was the pride champion but i posted quiet the same about chuck as you... and he mentioned actually not only LHW....but what gets me is that you say fedor fans are stupid ect...i mean if youre not a fedor fan ok , but why are you watching vids about him and talking trash about his fans???
I fully appreciate Fedor's accomplishments. He was the best HW in the world in his prime. But MMA has moved on and fighters are so well rounded now. It's MMA 2.0. Guys like Valasquez, Jones, GSP etc are on another level in terms of their proficiency is all areas. Fedor was the best then but he hasn't evolved with the sport.
Fedor will be remembered as a guy that faught cans for ten years, chael sonnen said it best, fedors real mma record like like 3-3..... your not the best in my book if your not beating top ten guys
I dont agree greatest of all time, best haevyweight of all time without a doubt right now, but best of all time... I have to go with Anderson Silva. But they both will be surpassed within 10 years.
@thestenly I'd say Silva was #2, he lost twice in Pride, Dan Henderson and Vitor Beltfor were the best guys he fought. Vitor Beltfor has never won against a great (Rich Franklin maybe). And Dan Hendersons greatest win was against Wanderlei in his prime (Whom he lost to before)
@thestenly When has Anderson Silva fought a top level striker.????? He hasn't... Fedor fought a top of the food chain striker in Mark Hunt and Mirko Cro Cop. He fought in the greatest heavyweight divison in MMA History, in Pride you had Mark Coleman , Big Nog, Cro Cop. Anderson Silva's Record is hyped up by ZUFFA. They try to make his record just amazing.... Fedor has beaten 7 former UFC Champions..... 2 K1 champions, a judokhan World Champion..
@Showstoppa17 Mark Hunt top level striker ? What about the rest of his game ? Kinda sucks, doesn't it... Henderson, Griffin, Franklin and Belfort are just as credible wins for Anderson as Cro cop, Coleman and Big Nog for Fedor.
@thestenly I will give you Hendo but Delores Griffin?, Rich "The Math Teacher" Franklin and Vitor " I only have fast hands" Belfort. Silva's record is all hype. You can't even compare the other three to Legends like Cro Cop and Nog, Cro Cop = Most feared striker in MMA at the time and Nog one of the best bjj guys ever. Fedor fought them in their own element and won, Anderson Silva is a good fighter but to say he is an elite fighter is a joke. Put him up against Overeem.. they we will see.
Fedor was scared to fight dan henderson and wanderlei silva in pride come on you can win all those fights in japan but you can't win 2 staright fights in usa lol why didn't fedor face hendo in pride tell me why ???
Fedor was scared to fight dan henderson and wanderlei silva in pride come on you can win all those fights in japan but you can't win 2 staright fights in usa lol why didn't fedor face hendo in pride tell me why ???
Fedor was scared to fight dan henderson and wanderlei silva in pride come on you can win all those fights in japan but you can't win 2 staright fights in usa lol why didn't fedor face hendo in pride tell me why ???
@1strikekiller cause hendo was lw you idiot. if fedor was scared back inthe days he would be scared today as well. can fedor win anything at all by fighting lws?? no .
when pide existed ufc hw divission had only arlovski and sylvia. now ufc has much better hws. but we would never know what kind of fighters would pride have if it existed. i can bet a house that lesnar would be in pride today. when pride existed it was number one
Yes, All the best fighters from Pride came over to the UFC but Fedor pretty much. How do you explain that? I know how, he stayed out of UFC so He could make most of the big bucks, and fight tomatoe cans so He could have more longevity, and collect more money for fighting has beens or 2nd rate fighters. So I have nothing against most pride ex fighters cause they had some awesome fighters, most of which switched over to UFC except Fedor who was looking to make lots of easy $. I cant blame Fedor
You tell these goofs, WTM! The UFC guys obviously wouldn't have fared as well in the 90s because those pride guys were in their primes. Like you said.....lots of ignorant people who don't know any better.
Dana White sumed up Fedor perfectly in his last Ariel Helwani interview. Everybody should go watch it. Fuck Fedor. Actually, fuck his management. Fucking Commies.
@jamiegward1984 he had a hand surgery after the zulu fight. sinc then on he was on a decline. but thanks to not very smart americans he was on top. they first lied that arlovski and sylvia were top fighters and then they had to admit that fedor was number one( cause he beat them). in reality sylvia and arlovski has never been top 10 imo. and fedor wasnt the best.
@jamiegward1984 this is when he had the title. but later on he was still better than ufc champions. he was better than arlovski, sylvia couture, probably he was also better than lesnar . its 50-50 to me. velasquez is the first legit ufc hw champion since few years. and hes the best in the world imo.
Chuck went to Pride to show that UFC fighters were better than Pride fighters, then he ran into Rampage. He had two fights in Pride and most of his fights before then were in the UFC. Actually you can make an argument that during the reign of Liddell,Franklin,Sylvia/Arlovski that Pride champions, and title contenders in that same period of time were superior to those UFC champions. I still agree with pretty much everything you said.
Those who say Pride fighters aren't as good as UFC fighters are ignorant, Big Nog does well in the UFC, Rampage and Shogun held gold. Hendo is a Pride fighter. They point to people like Cro Cop,Wanderlei,and the current Fedor as evidence that Pride was inferior to the UFC. That's BS those guys in their primes were among the best in the world. It's like me pointing to Chuck,Arlovski,and Sylvia as proof that the UFC is inferior to Pride because they were UFC champs who lost to top Pride fighters.
The day someone keeps itself 10 years invicted fighting the elite of pride... Yes... Then he can say something about Fedor, otherwise its just jelowsy.
@Datkylekid Beat all the former UFC champs. Marc Coleman Kevin Randleman Tim Sylvia Andrei Arlovski
If Fedor fought nothing but cans than Cain fought nothing but empty fruit cups. Brock is an ex WWE wrestler who runs everytime he gets hit, Ben Rothwell got beaten by Roy Nelson and Tim Sylvia, Cheick Kongo dropped Cain with a jab and relies on holding the cage and sacking people to win fights. Noguera is a shell of his former self he's taken too many beatings
Thank you for making this video. I agree with almost everything you said. Dana White has been forcing his "opinion", that Fedor supposedly was never that good to begin with, on to the fans and media. The problem is that people are starting to believe him ...
Wanderlei's record, in Japan and in the US, is worse than Fedors record. Nothing against Wanderlei, he's great, but Dana always refers to him as a 'legend of the sport' and an amazing fighter, yet Fedor somehow isn't? Promoter bias?! ...
@MSTBW Fedor could win against Cain, Brock, Santose. They are all tomato cans. Brock is a can and so is Cain. Cain beat Brock who was hyped up by the UFC. Can Fedor beat them now? Maby not but he could back in 2009.
@mendezm50cent1 Watch the entire fight, he was well on his way to lose that fight anyway, confirmed by the commentators, and one of them was MMA experienced personality Bas Rutten :)
@vespaman101 I believe I'm not exaggerating a bit at all...I just say what I saw long ago and have checked again right now:
Daiju Takase fight = COMPLETE DOMINANCE of Daiju, Silva did literally NOTHING in that match, and lost in first round via triangle choke.
Ryo Chonan fight = Chonan was IMO well on his way to win that fight(commentators confirmed that), then he did that "lucky submission" its not lucky, its skilled
@VEGETADTX and i mean come on man. do u think thnose guys wuld stand a chance now? highly doubtable. Silva's much better now than he was than. Those were his early days. he was a beast at the end of his pride career and transferred that over to the ufc and has just gotten better since. Fedor did beat the best of the best for the time. but guys weren't that well rounded back than anyway. there were only a few rwell rounded fighters especially in heavyweight.
Cain - Took the shots like a man and slammed kongo on his ass JDS - Groundgame is mostly likely decent and he has finished all but 2 in the ufc Carwin - Has the gas tank of an old man because he is one. Nuff said. Mir- Some of the best hands and subs in the ufc today but he gets manhandled.
@awreckingball cain velasquez, JDS, Frank Mir, its still a weight class without the most well rounded but it is better than it has been. those r just guys coming off the top of my head. there weren't alot of well rounded heavyweights in pride. there were a few and out of them fedor was the best one. I just think prime fedor would not find it so easy to handle the current ufc's heavyweight division.
@vespaman101 I think that's too exaggerated...Silva is not in his best days now...how can you say that after his Lutter, Cote, Maia, Sonnen fights?? Those are MWs and he is natural HW, and still struggles badly...Fedor is same size as Silva naturally, yet he was beating HWs and SHWs major part of his career...
He is out of prime, but you can't neglect what he's done for 10 years...I think nobody ever could do so...
@VEGETADTX the maia fight was a complete blowout. he had a broken rib in the sonnen fight. and he has a huge weakeness against wrestlers. thats his number one weekness. he's in his prime tho. technique and physically he has reached a peek. but seriously idk y u even cited the maia fight becuz he played with maia the whole time and culd haved finished him at any second. fedor may be naturally silva's size...but he's fat. I wont deny wut he did but i dont think in his prime he culd do t in the ufc
@VEGETADTX they weren't dominating him... did you even see those matches? Anderson was lighting them up until they pulled a submission out of nowhere. with that said Fedor is one of the goat. but not the goat
@Cammie010 I'm sorry I have to ask you the same question...did you even watch those matches? Daiju Takase was dominated by Silva? No, the fight that I watched was completely one sided and Silva did literally nothing in that match. Ryo Chonnan was well on his way of winning that match anyway which was confirmed by experienced commentators and MMA legend Bas Rutten.
Luis Azaredo dominated Silva entire match...
Aleksander Otsuka lost split decision which was bad decision IMO.
I think you're just too much in love with your individuality, that you can't understand that sometimes, when mainstream says something is good, it's GOOD.
Look, you can say all you want, as long as you want etc. but the fact is that Fedor took on Strikeforce (UFC's throwouts except Henderson and Overeem), not UFC, if he doesn't want to fight the best in the world, don't say he is. I have so much respect for Fedor as a warrior and human, but he never was, and never will be the best fighter.
@szczep88 Interesting, cause I think you're too much in love with mainstream...There is a REASON why somebody picks somebody as a top 10 fighter, there is a REASON why Anderson Silva is in top 10 and Gegard Mousasi isn't...even though Gegard has much better record, opponent-wise, weightclass-wise, more fights, more wins, less losses(I seriously don't count ridiclous Jardine and Lawal decisions).
Its called INTEREST, A BUSINESS...and its a sad day when MMA becomes MMB...
@VEGETADTX I don't take sides, I'm not represting mainstream, zuffa etc. here, i represent my own opinion about Fedor, he never fought top level competition, deal with it, there's only one ,,but" he was back in a days when Arlovskiy and Sylvia holded belts, but only because Randy was out ;) Randy came out looking for Fedor, and what? NOTHING. He prefers to fight middleweights and throw-outs, the only way to find out is fight WIN-LOSE, Fedor is dodging, and you guys are just making stupid excuses
@toyhunter9 why i say that is because if you compare some of the best boxers from the 70's with the boxers of today, some of the boxers from the 70's have good chances of winning against todays boxers. If you compare all the mma fighters fedors beat, with todays mma fighters they would be destroyed! thats the difference, thats why Fedor is not the best ever! im a huge fedor fan also.
@toyhunter9 Errr...dude Dan Henderson is naturall 205 pounds... the fact that he cheats and cuts just as 99% of fighters is whole another thing...Fedor never cut, not even for this fight, he just drank less fluids... if he did cut like so many of them do, he'd be fighting in middleweight not in HW...
Too much Dana White brain manipulation here, I really don't want to spend more time on this, its pointless...zombiness at its worst...
@szczep88 After what you wrote right now "he never fought top level competition", "Fedor is dodging".... I honestly can't even take you seriously anymore...If somebody was fighting top competition his entire career that's Fedor! He was beating THE BEST OF BEST at their primes at their own games during PRIDE...And never cared whom he fights...smaller Lindland or much much bigger Hong Man Choi, Sylvia, Zuluzigno etc...he was never afraid of it...just Fedor haters can say what you just said.
@VEGETADTX You see, I'm no hater, i like Fedor, but I fight with bullshit, legends, and fairy tales... He never fought Alistair, Randy Couture, Lesnar, Mir, and all of the guys he fought never achieved shit in UFC, if Zuffa didn't have interest in promoting Cro Cop, wouldn't last there, come on, got KO'd by Gonzaga O_O? How am i suppose to take YOU seriously, give me one big name he fought at his prime? Nogueira - another example of - ,,wouldn't last".... give me the pure facts,
@szczep88 You are obviously a new fan. Fedor beat Herring, Nog x2, Cro Cop, Sylvia, Arlovski (all top 5 guys when he fought them). He also beat other top guys like Coleman x2, Randleman, Arona, babalu, etc etc. Randy had a chance to fight Fedor but turned it down to fight Sylvia instead, that's why Fedor ended up fighting Lindland. Who cares about Lesnar? He is a 1 dimensional wrestler who barely fights and get destroyed when does. Mir gets KO'd all the time.
@Kinosis79 OMG, new fan? Duuude, I'm here since 1993, i mean that's how long i watch MMA... Herring was destroyed by Lesnar, and WTF did he achieve in UFC? What did Nog and Cro Cop achieve? Sylvia and Arlovskiy - ask any UFC fan who they consider as the lamest champions of HW ever... Randleman was out of UFC first, babalu not legit HW, (arona? WTF). So... he fought noone legit. PS. Lesnar would DESTROY Fedor, come on, you think Henderson would stand a chance against Lesnar?
@szczep88 Lesnar's a bitch that goes into fetal mode everytime he gets punched. Fedor finished Heath Herring faster and more efficiently than Lesnar. Old Nog past his prime knocked the fuck out of Brendan Schaub who was supposed to be the next contender. Cain's only wins were against an old nogueira and an ex WWE star. If Overeem goes into the UFC, he will destroy Cain and JDS. Lets not even mention Brock, all he had was his weight advantage and money to bribe the reffs.
@ARandomCanadian It's getting boring, truth is... Brock would fight Fedor. Cain would fight Fedor. Overeem would fight Fedor. Couture would fight Fedor. But Fedor, wants to fight middleweights. And firemen who woke up to be MMA fighters. And of course awesome UFC's throwouts.
@szczep88 Brock couldve left the UFC and fight Fedor anytime he wanted. Same with Cain. Overeem had his kickboxing and was too busy to fight Fedor. Couture and Fedor was supposed to happen but Dana White intervened because Randy left with the belt and wouldve made the UFC heavyweight division irrelevant if he had lost.
@szczep88 What the heck are you saying?! Crocop is not good? Nogueira is not good? You are just too biased man...They are out of their pimes but so what... look at those "legends" that you've listed...how do they do now that they are too out of prime? Randy? Chuck? Come on man...Someday those current champs like Cain will get beaten badly by someone and will that mean they always sucked?! no...its just that nobody lasts forever...
However when it comes who lasted longest - its Fedor by far.
@VEGETADTX OK, but did they all past their prime right away after Pride was out? Well, Fedor didn't join UFC, he hasn't fought the guys, Noogueira, Cro Cop, Herring faced....
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Racist motheruckah, punk bitch faygot, piece of shit!! Go suck off Fedor's cock and swallow his jiss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thesanitycruzer1 5 months ago
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah I wasted time listening to this guy babble!!!
thesanitycruzer1 5 months ago
@thesanitycruzer1 dont be such a nigger faggot
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Man you talk a lot but don't say shit!!!!!!!!
thesanitycruzer1 5 months ago
FEDOR IS THE BEST !!!! EVER HI FROM SERBIA !!!
thebole123 5 months ago 2
spot on. Corporate mma is killing the sport. Fuck zuffa robots...
yogiunlimited1234 5 months ago
Also Mike Tyson got beaten by bums at the end of his career who he would have destroyed in his prime it happens to everyone, does that mean he was no good any more coz that happened ? No he is a legend and so is Fedor anyone with some intelligence will come to the same conclusion end of !!!
MyIceman12345 6 months ago
Fedor is a living legend and I respect him alot but his time has come it happens to everyone look at Mohamed Ali at the end of his career he was geting beaten by bums who he would have destroyed in his prime just like Fedor !!! People need to remember he went ten years undefeated and the only reason Dana White talks smack about Fedor is coz Fedor didn't fight in Danas organization the UFC !!!! It's time people woke up Fedor is a legend pieriod !!!!!!
MyIceman12345 6 months ago
you have good points, but fighters from Japan dissappointed in the UFC. CroCop won the pride tourney when he went to the UFC and couldn't do anything there. And what about the Japanese fighters.
And also many people don't trust the Japanese setting.
condorianno 6 months ago
Great video.
BMoses16 6 months ago
Fedor is 3-3 in mma. He will be remembered as a fighter who was ranked #1 when he had no real fights.
ArmTriangleChoke 6 months ago
@ArmTriangleChoke Who would have been a real fight for him? An ex WWE wrestler? lol he got alot more competition in strikeforce than he did in the UFC.
ARandomCanadian 6 months ago
@ARandomCanadian Fedor is 3-3 in mma. I'm not here to argue that I'm simply telling you his record.
ArmTriangleChoke 6 months ago
@ArmTriangleChoke HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Anderson silva is 3-1 MMA. Belfort, henderson, and sonnen.
Cephalic959 6 months ago
@ArmTriangleChoke You should've watched this video. It's a shame how people are fans of "UFC" and not "MMA" but oh well. Back in his era he DOMINATED PRIDE. Regardless of whether "competition has improved", you can say the same about many other athletes... Would Rocky Marciano have dominated so heavily if he fought against guys like Lennox Lewis? It doesn't matter, because he cleared out and dominated his era.
SpyWhoLovedHimself 5 months ago
@SpyWhoLovedHimself Fact is Fedor is a fake. 3-3. He did great in his fake catchwrestling bouts. None of which were mma. UFC is the only relevant mma now.
ArmTriangleChoke 5 months ago
@ArmTriangleChoke You are a complete fucking moron. What you said is straight out of Chael Sonnen's mouth - you know this. The fact is that you are a typical AMERICAN fan of MMA: completely biased in favor of the UFC and incapable of having a thought of your own and just follows what Dana White tells you. Fact is that Fedor of 2004 would DEMOLISH Cain Velasquez and take the UFC heavyweight belt. The ONLY fighter in the UFC I can see beating prime Fedor is Jon Jones, but even then odds favor Fedo
PCoderch 5 months ago
@PCoderch Fedor can demolish anyone in his fake fights. I already state that. But when Fedor goes to mma, he gets dominated by Werdum, Bigfoor (who sucks) and Hendo.
ArmTriangleChoke 5 months ago
@ArmTriangleChoke rofl you think Pride was fake?
ARandomCanadian 5 months ago
@ARandomCanadian no fucking shit, didn't you read my comments?
ArmTriangleChoke 5 months ago
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@PCoderch Fedor can demolish anyone in his fake fights. I already state that. But when Fedor goes to mma, he gets dominated by Werdum, Bigfootr (who sucks) and Hendo.
ArmTriangleChoke 5 months ago
@ArmTriangleChoke You have not even 1 argument to say that. Fucking zuffa zombie, get the fuck out of here.
Cephalic959 6 months ago
@Cephalic959 You're a fake mma fan. Don't pretend you watch mma. go back to wwe you nerd.
ArmTriangleChoke 6 months ago
fedor is a joke,
a super hyped up guy (by a small group) who is not more than an average fighter.
so stupid fedor declined to take the contract...
i think he didnt get 30 mil in strikeforce lol
Officialdjrs 6 months ago
@Officialdjrs Your comment shows not only how ignorant you are, but that you didn't even listen to this video for a minute.
Next time have a little respect and listen to people, so you can say something congruent
xverxverxverga 6 months ago
@xverxverxverga
i listened.. so stfu
Officialdjrs 6 months ago
@Officialdjrs Made more than that, he co-promoted remember?
ARandomCanadian 6 months ago
about fedor, i agree with the points u made on him too, about how he will never be the same because of age and most of all his DECADE OF LEGACY and how he will always be the best mma fighter of all time
edbn24 6 months ago
I am very impressed by all the points you made and covered, especially the one with the past Pride vs UFC skill level, which I agree is ridiculous. I think one of the main reasons why people believe if a fighter isnt in the UFC, it means he really isnt that good, is because of the money, popularity, and hype that surrounds the UFC vs any other fighting organization, especially with all the silly talk that Dana White makes which brainwashes naivee mma fans.
edbn24 6 months ago
Poor Fedor he jst cant win, i guess hes not the number 1 pound for pound fighter anymore i guess anderson silva is now
dhood619 6 months ago
@dhood619 Anderson Silva beat nothing but cans since Dan Henderson. Seriously who are they gonna put him against next to keep him having a perfect record in the UFC? Rematch with Chris Leben? Akiyama? Maybe Bispbing? lol
ARandomCanadian 6 months ago
@ARandomCanadian ya thats true, but who has fedor fought? who has he fought in his hole career, it seems like hes been fighting nobodies his hole career, i mean is their any fighter in the ufc rite now that fedor has fought? lol i dnt think so
dhood619 4 months ago
@dhood619 Just about every UFC champ there was. Nog, Crocop, Mark Hunt and those guys aren't doing too bad either considering how old they are and how many beatings they took.
ARandomCanadian 4 months ago
@ARandomCanadian nog crocop mark hunt? whens the last time they actually beat a good fighter? because i dont remember
dhood619 4 months ago
@dhood619 Crocop 38, Nog 35, Mark Hunt 37. Nottice a patern there? They're all old fighters, they're past their prime. I'm still chuckling that Brendan Schaub who was supposed to become a #1 contender got knock the fuck out by a 35 year old Noguera. JDS barely finished an old crocop, Mark Hunt beat Ben Rothwell who apparently everybody said Cain deserved a title shot because that he beat him.
ARandomCanadian 4 months ago
great video thanks
333333ahmed 6 months ago
u look like a dick
chiliconcarne2006 6 months ago
He didn't fight Shogan, Silva, Rampage, Wandi and he just lost to hendo you can't judge pride's talent pool for heavyweights based on middleweights. All you can base it on are people he fought at heavyweight and how they did after. That's Cro Cop, Nog and Barrett
dgtdsgn 6 months ago
@dgtdsgn there was no big difference between middleweights and heavyweights in pride, hard to say which was the better division, i mean wandi was the most dominant middleweight in prid, he koed rampage twice and and is 1-1 with hendo, lost to him after this devasting knockout loss to cro cop, and did you know that wandi was heavier than cro cop in their first fight?
UsernameAKvsM 6 months ago
@UsernameAKvsM I'm not saying any middleweights in Pride were lacking in skill, I was just pointing out that fedor didn't fight any of them, so the quality of his heavyweight opponents in Pride (most of whom never fought anywhere else but Japan and with only Japanese Promotion competition) have nothing to do with the quality of the middleweights to come out of PRIDE
dgtdsgn 6 months ago
MMA as a sport is growing so fast. Unfortunately the majority of the fans are brain washed it to believing fightings like GSP are p4p best in the world
jasontrixta 6 months ago
Great vlog.. keep it coming !!
rattsnakeratt 6 months ago
I think I started regardin' Fedor Emelianenko as a FALSE GOD when ppl were so overzealous in thinkin' dat he'd never lose. Now dat he's lost twice, it does seem like he's declined... He might have some more fights in 'em, tho.
Also, there have been ppl dat said Fedor doesn't have good boxing; one of which was a fan of Fedor, ironically, an' we all seen proof o' dat when he fought Arlovski an' basically had his shit pushed up in 'em in da standin' portion of dat fight.
Fedor'll have his...
Gauntlets 6 months ago
Gauntets cont.
... legacy, but da fact of da matter is, an' dis has been proven time an' time again, no matter how good u think u or some1 else is, there's always some1 better. He'll probably never get into da UFC cuz of da fact dat... well... his management, an' Dana.
Gauntlets 6 months ago
Fedor's decline is attributed to a combination of things IMO. His body is getting old, his M1 promotion/management team got the big head and became too greedy, MMA fighters are constantly evolving and figuring his game and his style, just like they eventually did with R.Gracie back in the day, and lastly, he has lost is killer instinct. I think sometimes fighters like him focus on bigger priorities in their lives at certain stages, such as family, religion, and side businesses. Still a legend!
4iamu 7 months ago
He has also lost his strategic timing. I agree he is not the same, but he still has some left in him. He almost beat henderson don't forget.
freemoviesonline23 7 months ago
Im a huge Fedor fan. As we know now he plan to carry on fighting. First in Russia then in Japan and when he win this two fight he suppose to be back in USA in 2012. Well, I will always watch Fedor fights and support him but my mind tell me he is over. He is not the same physically and mentally. Also I think he realized all modern fighters evolved so much since Pides days. And this fact makes he's not so confident before fight.
Beny205 7 months ago
# 1 P4P Goof of all time: Dana White
leonharts 7 months ago
26 wins in a row, 18 wins over top-10, more wins over any former/future UFC fighter, only heavy weight to defend title against number two heavyweight...twice. The results speak for themselves, Fedor is G.O.A.T. Anyone saying otherwise hasn't been following MMA closely and long enough to properly evaluate Fedor's skills.
quangngy 7 months ago
Look you're right with your underlying point, but your basing it all on inaccurate "facts." Yes Fedor absolutely IS the greatest MMA fighter of all time. But your facts have far too many holes in them and it weakens your case significantly.
godofthunder9010 7 months ago
6.) Mr Josh Barnett is the poster boy for steriod users and cheating for all of MMA. Not everyone can claim to have destroyed an entire MMA promotion by cheating, but Barnett can. No way in hell Dana White lets him back in the UFC.
godofthunder9010 7 months ago
5.) The big guys Fedor fought? You missed most of them. Kerry Schall, Semmy Schilt, Mark Hunt, Zuluzino (Wagner Martins), Tim Sylvia, Hong-Man Choi, Brett Rogers. These are the huge guys he fought and beat. You missed most of the really big ones.
godofthunder9010 7 months ago
4.) Fedor evolved? To some degree sure, but he almost never threw a kick in his career. What would it be like if he'd mastered Muay Thai? Fedor was amazing, but he could have been even better IMHO. He was so successful with what he had, I don't think he ever saw the need to train in any other disciplines.
godofthunder9010 7 months ago
3.) How would UFC fighters from the same era have done? Well, Tito Ortiz beat Wanderlei Silva with relative ease and that was before Wanderlei went on to dominate Pride FC. Coleman, Randleman, Barnett -- all of them lost their title and then went to Pride FC ... and still did pretty good. Coleman won the first ever Grand Prix, for instance. But they were not the UFC's best.
godofthunder9010 7 months ago
2.) Yes Wanderlei Silva DID do bad when he got the the UFC. He's never been the same fighter since consecutive KO losses to Cro Cop and Dan Henderson. He's been terrible in the UFC -- but that doesn't mean Wandy wasn't one of the best ever.
godofthunder9010 7 months ago
I do gotta call BS on some of what the guy in the video said:
1.) Liddell fought in the UFC five times before setting foot in the Pride ring with Guy Mezger. He would fight in the UFC five more times before entering the Pride 2003 Grand Prix tournament in which he beat Alistair Overeem and then lost to Rampage Jackson. Three total Pride FC fights. Chuck Liddell came from the UFC, and the person in the video is the ignorant, uneducated idiot -- at least in this case.
godofthunder9010 7 months ago
Great video and its great to see knowledged fans of the sport expressing their toughts. I have had enough with all these fans disrespecting the legends like Fedor who were the best of all time in MMA so far.
BoboCarsi 7 months ago
This is a great video. You argue convincingly and you do so with the same class the man himself is known for. Thanks for creating.
I think the reason we see so much scorn poured on Fedor is because of the influence a certain promoter has over fans and over the MMA media.
Few boxing fans or media go to Don King for balanced, unbiased views about boxers, least of all boxers with whom Don has collided. Sadly, the MMA landscape is different, and the man in question yields unmerited influence.
phootie 7 months ago 20
I love Fedor, but one thing you can't overlook is he turning down a shit load of money to come fight Brock for the UFC title - which i think he could've won at the time. Had this happen people would've not bitch about him right now, and his legacy would've been forever cemented.
lastscv 7 months ago
@lastscv That's not true at all. Ufc fans have always said Fedor needs to fight whoever the current champ is to prove himself to them. The same idiots used to say the same thing about Sylvia and Arlovski. Whoever is the champ is the guy Fedor has to beat, then he beat them then they said oh that guy sucked he has to beat so and so now. Fedor could never win with those "fans" because they are simply biased. No one ever bashed Fedor until dana started his smear campaign.
Kinosis79 7 months ago
I don't know if he will fight again or not; I'll respect his choice either way. But I do think that with an improved camp and a SMART gameplan he is still an elite fighter. You've said it many times before - he is excellent in all aspects of MMA. Those skills couldn't have disappeared - Fedor keeps in shape and works on technique year-round. He has to implement them again, fight smarter, focus, don't rush and brawl and end up in stupid situations like he has in the past several fights.
geosochi 7 months ago 5
@geosochi That's his only real problem now, he comes to brawl instead of fight smart like he used to. If he mixed up his game again and spent more time training on the ground he would easily have some more fights left in him.
Kinosis79 7 months ago
I think you hit it on the nail when you said that Fedor has come out to brawl in his last three fights. True, he's done the same in his previous three fights, and it worked - only because they weren't world class opponents. He seems to have fallen in love with the one-punch knockout. The problem is that brawling and going for the big knockout punch against the TRULY elite opponents is a horrible idea, I think it's obvious enough. He clears lacks a gameplan and underutilizes his other talents.
geosochi 7 months ago
And people, don't forget that all of Fedor's losses came in the cage...
Anyone here really think Silva and Werdum are p4p better than a prime Nog or Cro Crop?
HoneyIEducatedTheWeb 7 months ago
U dont understand? Difference is those pride fighters chose to fight top contenders recently. Fact is last time Fedor fought top contender was in 2005. Since then he has not fought top contender. And even in Pride he fought a few cans to pat that record. So at best Fedor was the best in 2005. And he has lost 3 straight, not even to top contender. He avoided ufc 2x. Fine. He avoided Overeem 2x. All those are facts. Deny them and u are a functioning retard.
spaniardmale77 7 months ago
guys in 2002 fedor destroyed prime contender heath herring in the first round tko doctors stoppage in 2009 brock fought heath and took him to decision.... need i say more?
Mindcircusmoe 7 months ago
fedors mind is not right
ekultus 7 months ago
@ekultus agree
toyhunter9 7 months ago
I couldn't have said it any better myself. These ufc fans are so brain washed it's ridiculous it's actually kinda sad. He's the best ever period.
toyhunter9 7 months ago
@toyhunter9 when fedor was in his prime fighting people the level of competition was not very good. Ali is known as the greatest ever because when he was champ in the early 70's boxing has already been around for a couple of decades and the level of competition was at a high. Should Fedor be labled as "GOAT" even tho he has not faced the competition levels as a "GOAT" like Ali? fedor is great but goat is far fetched.
xkillaz18x 7 months ago
And one more thing - Anderson, you he's ,,one of the guys" when he actually is ,,the only guy", i'll be sorry if Rampage beat Jones
PS. Yes, i know he was a champ earlier, but damn, such a Pride legend gets beaten by guys from the reality show....
szczep88 7 months ago
But that's the point. PRIDE's collapse gave the UFC a magnet for new talent. In '04 or '05, Velasquez or Dos Santos (or guys their equivalent) would have probably gone into PRIDE had it continued, and given Fedor new competition. I agree that despite 3 losses, he's still the best P4P of all time, due to how good Cro-Cop and Noguiera were (Silva is certainly close, I just don't think the middleweight division has ever been "stacked"). But he has avoided the best in the last 5 years.
TenTonHorse 7 months ago
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TenTonHorse 7 months ago
I agree 100% !
BassD77 7 months ago
goofs
imanuel2012 7 months ago
CHUCK LIDDELL fought in pride just for the tournament and had only 2 fights there...
and randy couture has less fights than fedor but randy startet in mma with 36...
but with the most arguments i agree....
Fedor fought for over 15 years in mma, judo, sambo and people gets old... chuck liddell got knocked out his last 3 fights, randy couture, mirko crocop, antonio silva...fedor age and his injuries makes the difference between the pride fedor and the fedor we last saw,
etuar87 7 months ago
Fedor can't compete at the top. His record is padded and he has been avoiding top competition for the past 5 years. That's just the way it is.
DeepVoiceMan 7 months ago
@DeepVoiceMan your moms ass was pretty padded too.
p00gle 7 months ago
@DeepVoiceMan I hate it when people say Fedor avoids top competition. Sylvia, Arlovski, Werdum, and Silva were all top 10 heavyweights at the time he fought them and he would've fought Josh Barnett (another top 10) if Barnett didn't get caught juicing. Plus Coleman, Hunt, Rogers, and Matt Lindland are no slouches either.
RoadDemon9 7 months ago
fedor may not be the best anymore, but he is still easily the greatest hw of all time, cause if hes not, then who the hell is?
omgstoptakingnames 7 months ago
Also, your argument of "Fedor accomplished a lot, therefore he would have done well in UFC" is idiotic. What did Werdum or Antonio Silva accomplish compared to Fedor? Didn't stop Werdum from tapping him out like a white belt, or Silva from beating the holy fuck out of him.
Stop polluting Youtube and the MMA community with your nonsense.
DannyNFLD 7 months ago
You Fedor nuthuggers are pathetic and make yourself look stupid every time you open your mouths. Chuck Liddell isn't a former Pride champion, he went over there as a UFC representative. You killed your credibility before you even got started. Also, I love how, when talking about the talent pool of Pride, you listed ALL LHWs. The talent pool of the LHW division is IRRELEVANT, Fedor fought at HW (although that didnt stop him from fighting LHWs and MWs).
DannyNFLD 7 months ago
@DannyNFLD
haha what a troll you are??? you seriosly searching for fedor vids in the web, just for talking trash about him and his fans???? man get a girlfriend or a new video game
etuar87 7 months ago
@etuar87 Is what I said not the truth?
DannyNFLD 7 months ago
@DannyNFLD
he didnt say chuck was the pride champion but i posted quiet the same about chuck as you... and he mentioned actually not only LHW....but what gets me is that you say fedor fans are stupid ect...i mean if youre not a fedor fan ok , but why are you watching vids about him and talking trash about his fans???
etuar87 7 months ago
Fedor is simply the greatest MMA fighter ever.
When things are said and done people will one day view him as we now view Sugar Ray Robinson in boxing.
boxingnews247 7 months ago
I fully appreciate Fedor's accomplishments. He was the best HW in the world in his prime. But MMA has moved on and fighters are so well rounded now. It's MMA 2.0. Guys like Valasquez, Jones, GSP etc are on another level in terms of their proficiency is all areas. Fedor was the best then but he hasn't evolved with the sport.
providename 7 months ago
Fedor probably would have won the belt when he first got in, given the weak UFC HW division at the time, but he would have lost it soon thereafter.
Cammie010 7 months ago
Good video!
563250 7 months ago
Fedor will be remembered as a guy that faught cans for ten years, chael sonnen said it best, fedors real mma record like like 3-3..... your not the best in my book if your not beating top ten guys
eLLriDe420 7 months ago
Ok, lets analyze this, if Fedor was in the Ufc after the pride implosion, do you guys thing that he would dominate? i really don't believe this.
vaju79 7 months ago
FINALLY!!!! enjoy all the videos you post WTM, but i really apperciate the mma stuff
xkillaz18x 7 months ago
Fedor lost to a 40 year old man that is a lot smaller than him lol fedor is a joke no wonder he didn't fight hendo in pride lol KO 1st round
1strikekiller 7 months ago
@1strikekiller you piece of shit!!Fedor in his prime would kill Hendo bitch stupid
563250 7 months ago
Fedor lost to a 40 year old man that is a lot smaller than him lol fedor is a joke no wonder he didn't fight hendo in pride lol KO 1st round
1strikekiller 7 months ago
@1strikekiller u dumb dickhead
boxingnews247 7 months ago
@1strikekiller u dumb dickhead #2
p00gle 7 months ago
how has fedor not evolved. he knows everything already.
turnbacktime 7 months ago
I dont agree greatest of all time, best haevyweight of all time without a doubt right now, but best of all time... I have to go with Anderson Silva. But they both will be surpassed within 10 years.
thestenly 7 months ago
@thestenly I'd say Silva was #2, he lost twice in Pride, Dan Henderson and Vitor Beltfor were the best guys he fought. Vitor Beltfor has never won against a great (Rich Franklin maybe). And Dan Hendersons greatest win was against Wanderlei in his prime (Whom he lost to before)
But thats my opinion
ARandomCanadian 7 months ago
@thestenly When has Anderson Silva fought a top level striker.????? He hasn't... Fedor fought a top of the food chain striker in Mark Hunt and Mirko Cro Cop. He fought in the greatest heavyweight divison in MMA History, in Pride you had Mark Coleman , Big Nog, Cro Cop. Anderson Silva's Record is hyped up by ZUFFA. They try to make his record just amazing.... Fedor has beaten 7 former UFC Champions..... 2 K1 champions, a judokhan World Champion..
Showstoppa17 7 months ago
@Showstoppa17 Mark Hunt top level striker ? What about the rest of his game ? Kinda sucks, doesn't it... Henderson, Griffin, Franklin and Belfort are just as credible wins for Anderson as Cro cop, Coleman and Big Nog for Fedor.
thestenly 7 months ago
@thestenly I will give you Hendo but Delores Griffin?, Rich "The Math Teacher" Franklin and Vitor " I only have fast hands" Belfort. Silva's record is all hype. You can't even compare the other three to Legends like Cro Cop and Nog, Cro Cop = Most feared striker in MMA at the time and Nog one of the best bjj guys ever. Fedor fought them in their own element and won, Anderson Silva is a good fighter but to say he is an elite fighter is a joke. Put him up against Overeem.. they we will see.
Showstoppa17 7 months ago
Only reason Dana White hates Fedor is because he never got to promote him and never aquired the greatest mma fighter in his prime.
ARandomCanadian 7 months ago
Fedor was scared to fight dan henderson and wanderlei silva in pride come on you can win all those fights in japan but you can't win 2 staright fights in usa lol why didn't fedor face hendo in pride tell me why ???
1strikekiller 7 months ago
Fedor was scared to fight dan henderson and wanderlei silva in pride come on you can win all those fights in japan but you can't win 2 staright fights in usa lol why didn't fedor face hendo in pride tell me why ???
1strikekiller 7 months ago
Fedor was scared to fight dan henderson and wanderlei silva in pride come on you can win all those fights in japan but you can't win 2 staright fights in usa lol why didn't fedor face hendo in pride tell me why ???
1strikekiller 7 months ago
@1strikekiller Because Fedor was a heavyweight and Hendo was a middleweight? Fighters didn't call each other out in Pride.
ARandomCanadian 7 months ago
@1strikekiller cause hendo was lw you idiot. if fedor was scared back inthe days he would be scared today as well. can fedor win anything at all by fighting lws?? no .
jerseyy 6 months ago
when pide existed ufc hw divission had only arlovski and sylvia. now ufc has much better hws. but we would never know what kind of fighters would pride have if it existed. i can bet a house that lesnar would be in pride today. when pride existed it was number one
jerseyy 7 months ago
YOur right that most newscasters are biased. I agree with you there, but you have to be honest with yourself too. Your are Fedor Biased 100%.
charronfamilyconnect 7 months ago
Yes, All the best fighters from Pride came over to the UFC but Fedor pretty much. How do you explain that? I know how, he stayed out of UFC so He could make most of the big bucks, and fight tomatoe cans so He could have more longevity, and collect more money for fighting has beens or 2nd rate fighters. So I have nothing against most pride ex fighters cause they had some awesome fighters, most of which switched over to UFC except Fedor who was looking to make lots of easy $. I cant blame Fedor
charronfamilyconnect 7 months ago
not as unbiased as I had hoped
jin37uk 7 months ago
You tell these goofs, WTM! The UFC guys obviously wouldn't have fared as well in the 90s because those pride guys were in their primes. Like you said.....lots of ignorant people who don't know any better.
BazookaIke 7 months ago
Dana White sumed up Fedor perfectly in his last Ariel Helwani interview. Everybody should go watch it. Fuck Fedor. Actually, fuck his management. Fucking Commies.
longslidenyc 7 months ago
My problem with the whole Feodr thing was, people still calling him the best when he no longer was.
jamiegward1984 7 months ago
@jamiegward1984 when did he stop being the best in your opinion??
jerseyy 7 months ago
@jerseyy I would say he hasn't been "the best" for atleast three years.
Always exciting and great to watch though.
jamiegward1984 7 months ago
@jamiegward1984 he had a hand surgery after the zulu fight. sinc then on he was on a decline. but thanks to not very smart americans he was on top. they first lied that arlovski and sylvia were top fighters and then they had to admit that fedor was number one( cause he beat them). in reality sylvia and arlovski has never been top 10 imo. and fedor wasnt the best.
jerseyy 7 months ago
@jerseyy Well if you go back 5 years, he probably derserved the title.
jamiegward1984 6 months ago
@jamiegward1984 this is when he had the title. but later on he was still better than ufc champions. he was better than arlovski, sylvia couture, probably he was also better than lesnar . its 50-50 to me. velasquez is the first legit ufc hw champion since few years. and hes the best in the world imo.
jerseyy 6 months ago
Chuck went to Pride to show that UFC fighters were better than Pride fighters, then he ran into Rampage. He had two fights in Pride and most of his fights before then were in the UFC. Actually you can make an argument that during the reign of Liddell,Franklin,Sylvia/Arlovski that Pride champions, and title contenders in that same period of time were superior to those UFC champions. I still agree with pretty much everything you said.
mmawilldesha 7 months ago
Those who say Pride fighters aren't as good as UFC fighters are ignorant, Big Nog does well in the UFC, Rampage and Shogun held gold. Hendo is a Pride fighter. They point to people like Cro Cop,Wanderlei,and the current Fedor as evidence that Pride was inferior to the UFC. That's BS those guys in their primes were among the best in the world. It's like me pointing to Chuck,Arlovski,and Sylvia as proof that the UFC is inferior to Pride because they were UFC champs who lost to top Pride fighters.
mmawilldesha 7 months ago
The day someone keeps itself 10 years invicted fighting the elite of pride... Yes... Then he can say something about Fedor, otherwise its just jelowsy.
asforemita 7 months ago
great speech,i agree with everything
HULKMANEC 7 months ago
100% agree WTM
agent152yt 7 months ago
Fedor fought nobody but cans lololololol Idk how you cant see that,,,,
Datkylekid 7 months ago
@Datkylekid Beat all the former UFC champs. Marc Coleman Kevin Randleman Tim Sylvia Andrei Arlovski
If Fedor fought nothing but cans than Cain fought nothing but empty fruit cups. Brock is an ex WWE wrestler who runs everytime he gets hit, Ben Rothwell got beaten by Roy Nelson and Tim Sylvia, Cheick Kongo dropped Cain with a jab and relies on holding the cage and sacking people to win fights. Noguera is a shell of his former self he's taken too many beatings
ARandomCanadian 7 months ago
Thank you for making this video. I agree with almost everything you said. Dana White has been forcing his "opinion", that Fedor supposedly was never that good to begin with, on to the fans and media. The problem is that people are starting to believe him ...
Wanderlei's record, in Japan and in the US, is worse than Fedors record. Nothing against Wanderlei, he's great, but Dana always refers to him as a 'legend of the sport' and an amazing fighter, yet Fedor somehow isn't? Promoter bias?! ...
xenniex2 7 months ago
fedor 4 life
wezzery 7 months ago
i think it's it true that fedor has been sloppy due to his age and the lost of passion
however i just don't think that fedor could win guys like cain, brock, santose and all the heavyweights
that are so called "3rd generation" now with tis being written i'm not a fedor hater
but i just don't think any great athlete can beat the next generation
it's been prove through history
and one more thing is that how can you call a fighter fighting in the 2nd organization and still
called the best?
MSTBW 7 months ago
@MSTBW Fedor could win against Cain, Brock, Santose. They are all tomato cans. Brock is a can and so is Cain. Cain beat Brock who was hyped up by the UFC. Can Fedor beat them now? Maby not but he could back in 2009.
JasionJones 7 months ago
Great Video!
And Fedor haters doesn't deserves any attention.
simba8899 7 months ago
Maybe that's another thing he can't be as aggressive or get any momentum becasue he can't land a punch. He can't let his hands go like he once could.
Frazier172 7 months ago
Great video! Thanks god there are reasonable vloggers like you! Keep up the great job WTM!
Some Zuffa zombies are so biased and blind its unbelievable.
Pride gatekeepers were dominating/beating Andreson Silva badly - Daiju Takase, Ryo Chonan, Aleksander Otsuka...
Yet Fedor was brutalizing THE BEST OF BEST at their own games at their primes and never losing a single round for 10 years...
I think that alone tells the story...
VEGETADTX 7 months ago 6
@VEGETADTX Dominated? Ryo Chonan pulled of a lucky submission, The only fight he got dominated was Daiju Takase.
mendezm50cent1 7 months ago
@mendezm50cent1 Watch the entire fight, he was well on his way to lose that fight anyway, confirmed by the commentators, and one of them was MMA experienced personality Bas Rutten :)
VEGETADTX 7 months ago
@VEGETADTX i've seen all of andersons fights that he lost...he was never dominated. thats kind of an exaggeration dont u think?
vespaman101 7 months ago
@vespaman101 I believe I'm not exaggerating a bit at all...I just say what I saw long ago and have checked again right now:
Daiju Takase fight = COMPLETE DOMINANCE of Daiju, Silva did literally NOTHING in that match, and lost in first round via triangle choke.
Ryo Chonan fight = Chonan was IMO well on his way to win that fight(commentators confirmed that), then he did that "lucky submission" its not lucky, its skilled
Azaredo fight = Azaredo dominated entire match
Otsuka = bad split decision IMO
VEGETADTX 7 months ago
@VEGETADTX and i mean come on man. do u think thnose guys wuld stand a chance now? highly doubtable. Silva's much better now than he was than. Those were his early days. he was a beast at the end of his pride career and transferred that over to the ufc and has just gotten better since. Fedor did beat the best of the best for the time. but guys weren't that well rounded back than anyway. there were only a few rwell rounded fighters especially in heavyweight.
vespaman101 7 months ago
@vespaman101 - Who do you consider to be "well-rounded" in the UFC's current heavyweight division?
awreckingball 7 months ago
@awreckingball Cain, JDS, Carwin, Mir.
xBromsfanx 7 months ago
@xBromsfanx
Cain - perhaps, although even Kongo put him on his arse
JDS's - jury is out, ground game yet to be seen, never finishes anyone
Carwin - no, can barely last a round, has the hand speed of an old man
Mir - was beaten to a pulp by a 1-dimensional WWE star, 'nuff said
awreckingball 7 months ago
@awreckingball
Cain - Took the shots like a man and slammed kongo on his ass JDS - Groundgame is mostly likely decent and he has finished all but 2 in the ufc Carwin - Has the gas tank of an old man because he is one. Nuff said. Mir- Some of the best hands and subs in the ufc today but he gets manhandled.
xBromsfanx 7 months ago
@awreckingball cain velasquez, JDS, Frank Mir, its still a weight class without the most well rounded but it is better than it has been. those r just guys coming off the top of my head. there weren't alot of well rounded heavyweights in pride. there were a few and out of them fedor was the best one. I just think prime fedor would not find it so easy to handle the current ufc's heavyweight division.
vespaman101 7 months ago
@vespaman101 I think that's too exaggerated...Silva is not in his best days now...how can you say that after his Lutter, Cote, Maia, Sonnen fights?? Those are MWs and he is natural HW, and still struggles badly...Fedor is same size as Silva naturally, yet he was beating HWs and SHWs major part of his career...
He is out of prime, but you can't neglect what he's done for 10 years...I think nobody ever could do so...
VEGETADTX 6 months ago
@VEGETADTX the maia fight was a complete blowout. he had a broken rib in the sonnen fight. and he has a huge weakeness against wrestlers. thats his number one weekness. he's in his prime tho. technique and physically he has reached a peek. but seriously idk y u even cited the maia fight becuz he played with maia the whole time and culd haved finished him at any second. fedor may be naturally silva's size...but he's fat. I wont deny wut he did but i dont think in his prime he culd do t in the ufc
vespaman101 6 months ago
@VEGETADTX they weren't dominating him... did you even see those matches? Anderson was lighting them up until they pulled a submission out of nowhere. with that said Fedor is one of the goat. but not the goat
Cammie010 7 months ago
@Cammie010 I'm sorry I have to ask you the same question...did you even watch those matches? Daiju Takase was dominated by Silva? No, the fight that I watched was completely one sided and Silva did literally nothing in that match. Ryo Chonnan was well on his way of winning that match anyway which was confirmed by experienced commentators and MMA legend Bas Rutten.
Luis Azaredo dominated Silva entire match...
Aleksander Otsuka lost split decision which was bad decision IMO.
VEGETADTX 7 months ago
I think you're just too much in love with your individuality, that you can't understand that sometimes, when mainstream says something is good, it's GOOD.
Look, you can say all you want, as long as you want etc. but the fact is that Fedor took on Strikeforce (UFC's throwouts except Henderson and Overeem), not UFC, if he doesn't want to fight the best in the world, don't say he is. I have so much respect for Fedor as a warrior and human, but he never was, and never will be the best fighter.
szczep88 7 months ago
@szczep88 Interesting, cause I think you're too much in love with mainstream...There is a REASON why somebody picks somebody as a top 10 fighter, there is a REASON why Anderson Silva is in top 10 and Gegard Mousasi isn't...even though Gegard has much better record, opponent-wise, weightclass-wise, more fights, more wins, less losses(I seriously don't count ridiclous Jardine and Lawal decisions).
Its called INTEREST, A BUSINESS...and its a sad day when MMA becomes MMB...
VEGETADTX 7 months ago
@VEGETADTX I don't take sides, I'm not represting mainstream, zuffa etc. here, i represent my own opinion about Fedor, he never fought top level competition, deal with it, there's only one ,,but" he was back in a days when Arlovskiy and Sylvia holded belts, but only because Randy was out ;) Randy came out looking for Fedor, and what? NOTHING. He prefers to fight middleweights and throw-outs, the only way to find out is fight WIN-LOSE, Fedor is dodging, and you guys are just making stupid excuses
szczep88 7 months ago
@szczep88
henderson has fought at middle weight but he wasn't 185 the night he fought fedor dumb-ass. you are drinking the dana white punch your a zombie lol
toyhunter9 7 months ago
@toyhunter9 He has the frame of a 185er, if you knew combat sports you would know its not about weight its about frame.
MrKidkapri 7 months ago
@toyhunter9 why i say that is because if you compare some of the best boxers from the 70's with the boxers of today, some of the boxers from the 70's have good chances of winning against todays boxers. If you compare all the mma fighters fedors beat, with todays mma fighters they would be destroyed! thats the difference, thats why Fedor is not the best ever! im a huge fedor fan also.
xkillaz18x 7 months ago
@toyhunter9 I don't talk to trolls. Grow up and then I'll answer.
szczep88 7 months ago
@toyhunter9 Errr...dude Dan Henderson is naturall 205 pounds... the fact that he cheats and cuts just as 99% of fighters is whole another thing...Fedor never cut, not even for this fight, he just drank less fluids... if he did cut like so many of them do, he'd be fighting in middleweight not in HW...
Too much Dana White brain manipulation here, I really don't want to spend more time on this, its pointless...zombiness at its worst...
Have a nice day! :)
VEGETADTX 7 months ago
@szczep88 After what you wrote right now "he never fought top level competition", "Fedor is dodging".... I honestly can't even take you seriously anymore...If somebody was fighting top competition his entire career that's Fedor! He was beating THE BEST OF BEST at their primes at their own games during PRIDE...And never cared whom he fights...smaller Lindland or much much bigger Hong Man Choi, Sylvia, Zuluzigno etc...he was never afraid of it...just Fedor haters can say what you just said.
VEGETADTX 7 months ago
@VEGETADTX You see, I'm no hater, i like Fedor, but I fight with bullshit, legends, and fairy tales... He never fought Alistair, Randy Couture, Lesnar, Mir, and all of the guys he fought never achieved shit in UFC, if Zuffa didn't have interest in promoting Cro Cop, wouldn't last there, come on, got KO'd by Gonzaga O_O? How am i suppose to take YOU seriously, give me one big name he fought at his prime? Nogueira - another example of - ,,wouldn't last".... give me the pure facts,
szczep88 7 months ago
@szczep88 You are obviously a new fan. Fedor beat Herring, Nog x2, Cro Cop, Sylvia, Arlovski (all top 5 guys when he fought them). He also beat other top guys like Coleman x2, Randleman, Arona, babalu, etc etc. Randy had a chance to fight Fedor but turned it down to fight Sylvia instead, that's why Fedor ended up fighting Lindland. Who cares about Lesnar? He is a 1 dimensional wrestler who barely fights and get destroyed when does. Mir gets KO'd all the time.
Kinosis79 7 months ago
@Kinosis79 OMG, new fan? Duuude, I'm here since 1993, i mean that's how long i watch MMA... Herring was destroyed by Lesnar, and WTF did he achieve in UFC? What did Nog and Cro Cop achieve? Sylvia and Arlovskiy - ask any UFC fan who they consider as the lamest champions of HW ever... Randleman was out of UFC first, babalu not legit HW, (arona? WTF). So... he fought noone legit. PS. Lesnar would DESTROY Fedor, come on, you think Henderson would stand a chance against Lesnar?
szczep88 7 months ago
@szczep88 Lesnar's a bitch that goes into fetal mode everytime he gets punched. Fedor finished Heath Herring faster and more efficiently than Lesnar. Old Nog past his prime knocked the fuck out of Brendan Schaub who was supposed to be the next contender. Cain's only wins were against an old nogueira and an ex WWE star. If Overeem goes into the UFC, he will destroy Cain and JDS. Lets not even mention Brock, all he had was his weight advantage and money to bribe the reffs.
ARandomCanadian 6 months ago
@ARandomCanadian It's getting boring, truth is... Brock would fight Fedor. Cain would fight Fedor. Overeem would fight Fedor. Couture would fight Fedor. But Fedor, wants to fight middleweights. And firemen who woke up to be MMA fighters. And of course awesome UFC's throwouts.
szczep88 6 months ago
@szczep88 Brock couldve left the UFC and fight Fedor anytime he wanted. Same with Cain. Overeem had his kickboxing and was too busy to fight Fedor. Couture and Fedor was supposed to happen but Dana White intervened because Randy left with the belt and wouldve made the UFC heavyweight division irrelevant if he had lost.
ARandomCanadian 5 months ago
@szczep88 What the heck are you saying?! Crocop is not good? Nogueira is not good? You are just too biased man...They are out of their pimes but so what... look at those "legends" that you've listed...how do they do now that they are too out of prime? Randy? Chuck? Come on man...Someday those current champs like Cain will get beaten badly by someone and will that mean they always sucked?! no...its just that nobody lasts forever...
However when it comes who lasted longest - its Fedor by far.
VEGETADTX 6 months ago
@VEGETADTX OK, but did they all past their prime right away after Pride was out? Well, Fedor didn't join UFC, he hasn't fought the guys, Noogueira, Cro Cop, Herring faced....
szczep88 6 months ago