That's just it though its not your body. She says she learned something but it wasn't enough. strict definition makes it clear that a new organism is formed on conception. It is Considered to be a separate living organism not the mother. That is the non religious view I have and looking at it from a scientific point of view
She is hypocrite - who claims to be a 'Mom helping Moms'! The only help she is giving is to help make their wallets lighter by selling overpriced designer junk to poor women. Check out "Kathy Ireland Hawaiian Homes". Yes, she knows about poor women, alright. She sees them from her mansions!
So she has essentially won the freaking lottery over and over again - first genetically, second having been picked as a supermodel in HIGH SCHOOL no less (good thing she wasn't going to school in Podunk, KS!), and then gets an offer to endorse discount consumer goods at K-Mart, cashing in on 13 years as a world-famous super model. The 'life lesson' here? Be lucky.
Kathy is just another republican shill, cashing in on poor suckers who think if they buy her junk they can be her. How sad.
People throw the word Christianity as something bad...the reality is ''we'' are not bad people for wanting Pro Life, we just wish people can see that to remove a life from somebody's body is a spirit that was there BEFORE it's conception...we do believe in the internal life and the thought of eternal pain saddens us. There is 1,5 Million abortions in the US per year that is 3 per minute. There are many ways to remove them and some are quite horrific...complete with heartbeat, brain etc...
Its not apart of her body that is true. But here the thing is that its growing in her body its using her body functions. If a women doesnt want another organism to grow in her body human or other wise then its her choice. That women does not want another human growing inside her. You cant have the right to force someone else to carry you to term
my best argument is that at the early stages of a human fetus they can combine with each other. That means if a women has two eggs during her period and that both get sperm. Under prolifers definition there would be 2 humans living inside her. But every scientist will tell you that days later those two zygote cells they can fuse into one. So basically what happened to the other human did it just disappear where did it go??? There Kathy you have an argument now.
Im pro-life all the way. Let's make this the year we shut down Planned Parenthood and make abortion, contraception and gay-marriage illegal across the world. Pray for the Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI, may the Lord grant him length of days and deliver him not to the will of his enemies. Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with Thee blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen
@l337pwnage That does not make sense....we believe in life, period. When you die you had a choice to make during this lifetime, then your 2nd return depends on what you decide for the here and now...which is your future. Please read more before taking your life so lightly..you may laugh about it but when there is so many evidence out there you WILL be shocked to find the truth, & you will wish you had chosen to become a Christian, there are no 2nd chances in life once you decide what you believe
@julichoi888 The christian god is far to immoral to worship. Only cowards capitulate to his threats, and only sadists bring children into a christian environment.
You have piqued my interest with this "2nd return" comment, tho. I've seen many variations of the Jesus Cult, and I haven't seen that used except to comment on Jebus's "2nd return" (which is technically his 3rd, but I digress).
So, you believe we come back to Earth after some non-death?
@l337pwnage ''We'' um only the righteous..the ones that follow their way it is by DEFAULT u go to the underworld. I get this response often ''Rubbish'' well that is fine no loss to me, so when the people of this world reach the pearly gates u cannot say ''Oh it's real can I repent now?'' Ok take away the numerous literature out there, God is REAL as he is real to the person sitting next 2 me. Reason? Simple I have experienced overwhelming miracles that no-one can fathom..jaw-dropping MIRACLES!
@l337pwnage Sorry an Atheist will always be an Atheist..in THEIR reality it's that very belief that they stay in mediocrity..for me no thanks. When u sit at home & feel that void that so many Atheists feel u will have to remind yourself God takes away pain & that empty void. Sorry u can watch the deluded truth..remain in it. In God's world the spirit of God/heart reigns power over humanly facts. If Einstein was alive today he would say the same...the energy force within us is what creates LIFE!
@julichoi888 Um, I'm an anti-theist, I really don't care if any gods exist. An atheist is one who simply rejects peoples claims that a god, or gods, exist.
O, I have no doubt many people "need" "god" to help them, some people also "need" alcohol, or "need" marijuana, but that doesn't mean that it is a good idea indulge in such things.
Einstein didn't believe in a personal god or life after death. If you want to say "the universe is god", ok, but I'll just call it the "universe".
People really show their true colors when you comment to a video like this and say you've had an abortion. I understand not everyone agrees with me, and that's okay. It wasn't your choice to make, it was mine. And, I'm happy with my choice and my life since. People shouldn't be so concerned and critical of other people's choices when I'm sure they have their own lives to focus on.
@missatralissa: So what you are saying is that no one should care that you killed your unborn child no matter if it was legal or not? No matter if you are a Christian or not or if you fell out of Christianity or not that is your challenge but when you sit here and say that you are happy that you had an abortion with no remorse about the unborn baby then you are truly an immoral person with no better values than the common murderer. I just wonder why you won't have the guts to answer my question?
@bond519 I never said I was happy I had an abortion, I said I have lived a happy life since. No one is happy they have to have an abortion. You will clearly never know what a hard choice it is. I know you wont believe me or care if I tried to explain it to you, so I wont waste our time. But, should you have questions I am more than willing to answer them. Though, i would kindly ask you to stop calling me names and being so rude. Please and thank you.
@missatralissa: I will tell you like I tell other people. I am a very direct person and I call things what they really are and when someone believes that killing unborn babies is ok I will call them what they really are "Baby Killers". I don't know your story but unless you were raped you decided to have sex, maybe used protection, got pregnant. So getting pregnant was your doing and you don't have enough committment in your body to take care of that baby you made. Instead "YOU KILL IT" Nice!!!!
@bond519 I don't need you or anyone to police my sex life. You clearly don't care about the unborn if you think a pregnancy from rape is acceptable for termination. You are making exceptions for which pregnancies to terminate based on your personal belief about the sex lives of others. I'm a grown woman who will have sex when and how I want, and will deal with the results how I see fit for mine and my partner's life. I don't have to base my life on your feelings, your world view is not mine.
@missatralissa: Well if you would actually read my post I did excuse rape. Rape pregnancies are less than 3% of all pregnancies and I believe it is less than that. So there is a 97% chance that you knew you had a chance to get pregnant so unless you were raped which I doubt you were you just plain didn't have the courage and the guts to live up to your responsibility of making that child. Instead you killed it because you didn't have any GUTS. Women like you are nothing but Scum.
@bond519 I'm done with you. I have no time for people who only want to be rude and call me names. It's a shame you can't be mature and talk to me like an adult, but who knows, perhaps you are a child. If so, I truly hope you grow up soon and realize you can talk to other people without resorting to Ad Hominem filled arguments. If you ever want to be mature and talk to me without being rude I'm always open for debate and answering questions.
@missatralissa: So in other words you are too chicken to handle the truth. I don't consider anyone that kills babies a legit adult. Your problem is that you don't have guts to stand up to your mistakes and you get pissed off when other people call you out on your bad decision. I rather doubt if you are a Christian but none the less you will have to answer for your murdering your unborn baby. Good luck with that. Now on the other hand if you were to beg God for forgiveness I beleive he would.
@bond519 You are truly ridiculous. You call me chicken because I choose not to fight back. I'm not angry or scared to answer question about my abortion. I spend a lot of time talking to other people about my abortion. I often council others who have or are considering having one. You are not debating, you are acting like a petulant child who can only call another person names and not make mature responses or arguments. I hope you grow up, if you do come back and we'll talk.
@missatralissa: No I called you chicken because you are too gutless to take care of your baby instead of killing it. Maybe I am wrong but you show no remorse about it. I know women that have had an abortion and they realize how much of a mistake it was and they realize they took a life. They also realize they can not change the action but they also council other women to not have an abortion. What do you do, tell other women yeah go ahead and have an abortion? It's just a lousy clump of cells.
@bond519 As I said, we see the unborn differently. At 5 weeks I aborted, and I do not have remorse or regrets over it. It was a time in my life that changed me, and forced me to grow beyond that choice. But, my choice is not the right one for everyone, and I have counseled some and told them that abortion is probably not right for them. I support all choices; so long as people are educated and safe, each person's pregnancy is their responsibly and it's their choice how to handle it.
@missatralissa: You didn't watch the video did you. You don't listen that scientific proof that life begins at conception and yet you can be such a selfish person and sit here and say "We see the unborn differently" Yes we do. I have five children, the first four were all planned and the youngest "the twinkle of my eye" we never even thought of killing. But you obvously would. It is never easy to have a child but you are too chicken to live up to that challenge. You are typical abortionist scum.
@bond519 Yes, at conception there is an evolving form that is growing and adapting. It is living, because all cells are living. You don't know my situation and why I chose to abort. You don't know my medical history and what factors led me to the decisions I made. Yet, you choose to assume things about me, like I would have killed your fifth child. It's comments like this that prove to me how little you know or care about having a mature conversation. I wish you all the best to your family.
@missatralissa: But you have excuses for killing your baby? My point was that our fifth child was not planned but we never even had a thought about aborting. My wife ended up quitting her $50K a year Job because my daughter had some issues. So keep your lame butt excuses about circumstances. The truth is that you just plain didn't have the guts to go through those circumstances and you felt killing your unwanted baby was a good thing to do. You're the one that can't handle a mature converstaion
@bond519 I had reasons for needing to terminate the pregnancy at that time in my life. You don't get to have an opinion that matters on my uterus or my life. When I am ready to have & adopt children I hope to be the best mother I can be for them. I don't understand what you get from putting me down, but I guess it makes you feel good to try and verbally hurt people. If you are a follower of Christ might I suggest you attempt to walk more in his shoes and show more compassion to others.
@missatralissa: You must not have a very good reason for aborting your baby even when YOU say you needing to terminate your pregnancy. I would almost understand rape but I doubt that is your reason. I would understand but not necessarily agree with aborting the baby because of an endangered mother but I doubt that is it either. You seem to believe that a the NEED to abort is any reason that the baby isn't wanted. By the way, before you suggest for me to walk in Christ shoes you should yourself.
@missatralissa Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
@marionetemanJ I was actually raised Christian, and then fell out of it. Now I'm an Anthropology major who studies evolution, both physical and cultural. Sorry to say, but in all my studies I have not seen any of the "historical evidence" you speak of. You may see things differently, and that's okay. That's your world view and culture. But, that's not mine. So, thank you for your concern for my "soul" but I'm doing just fine as a Humanist and atheist. :)
@missatralissa: So what you are saying is that if you didn't have an abortion then that clump of cells wouldn't have grown into a baby? So knowing that you don't feel bad that your son or daughter that you personally made doesn't have a chance to grow up to be a doctor, a lawyer or even a mother or father? Of course you don't see a 5 week old baby as a born human. You are no better than a snake that would eat a rat. Of course I am not sure which one you are, The snake or the rat.
@bond519 Thank you for such a lovely comment. It's good to see you are willing to judge & say such rude things to a stranger. I can honestly say that your ignorance & hate towards me is silly. I'm sure you have enough things in your own life to worry about, so feel free to not be so concerned with me. My abortion was the right choice for me. It meant that I was able to go to college and meet an amazing man who I plan to have & adopt children with. But, thanks for your nasty words. Take care.
@missatralissa: Looks like you are a little testy about your abortion. What is the matter, you can't handle someone asking you a simple question? Your guilt shows when you say I hate you. I don't hate you. I just asked you a question in which as normal you abortionists won't answer. By the way I am not concerned with you I couldn't care less about you but I care more for your aborted baby than you ever will. You can't even answer a question. I don't care what your excuse, Abortion is murder.
@bond519 I never said a 5 week embryo wasn't going to evolve into a born baby. But, at five weeks there was no pumping heart valve (I asked) and it is long before any nerves start to map out and connect to the brain to register touch/pain recognition. I don't believe in souls, so I do not see an embryo or fetus as anything other than just what those medical terms imply. You were the one who got nasty with me and resorted to calling me names and judging me.
@bond519 Also, you can worry about that aborted baby all you like. I will be more concerned with the children I will have in the future, who will be wanted and prepared for. I also care more for the children who are alive on this planet and have no homes, families, water, food, medicine, education or love. There are a lot of children who need homes. I spend my time concerned with them, they're the ones who could become doctors, lawyers or whatever they want if people would care to educate them.
@missatralissa: I just love the excuses of people like you that think killing unborn babies is Ok. You justify killing unborn babies with your justifications that you care more for children who are alive on this planet who need homes food medicine etc. Who in the heck are you kidding? You sit here and nearly brag on you having an abortion and that you care more about other children that are not your child! What a line of B.S. You are lying to yourself and the whole world when you say that crap.
People say that a unborn baby isn't really a person because they can't survive without the mother... My son is 20 months old and still depends on me for survival. So when did he magically go from being non human to human? Slaves and Jews were considered non human. So maybe one day the unborn will have some rights too. Cause they are just little people. Pro choice people are just agesist.
'human being can only produce other human beings' no shit sherlock, it took her this long to figure that out? And the quote about a mother carrying a male child which means it will have a penis which women dont have... maybe she should go and read a few more books, every human is a female in the first stages of development even if their DNA is of a male... thats why men have nipples.
@Twinpact Well, a human life is a lot of the time dictated as a being that can survive/sustain life physically separated from their mother. I agree with that statement, but that's just me.
I take this very personally because my mother was "older" when she found out that she deal with a third child at 42 years old....a lot of people told her that she should get rid of "it" cause she was too old to have another child.She told them all to stuff it where the sun don't shine!If she wasn't pro-life then I would not be sitting here typing this out!
So, because someone is a woman, they should be able to commit murder? Because that's what abortion is. All scientific evidence shows that, at conception, the fetus is a human being. How is killing that human being NOT murder?
This ho is retarded. Why are dumb people so fickle? Looked at medical books? What, did the bitch think that abortions are all rainbows, bunnies, and lollipops? See, this is why some women shouldn't be allowed to think. They're too emotional, they don't know what's right for the world. This is why you don't see female commercial airline pilots.
If Kathy changed her mind that quickly, I'm sure she'd change it back if she or one of her family members was raped or accidentally impregnated.
"If the fetus is not Human, then no justification is necessary for an abortion. If the fetus is Human, no justification is sufficient." You commented that "pro-choice activists...work very hard to limit the number of abortions to a minimum..." My initial question to you then is, on your view, why bother limiting abortions at all? Why limit this practice if it is morally benign? Could it be because it is indeed immoral to kill an innocent human being - in or out of the womb?
@broncoalum97 My mother is also Pro Choice .... being pro choice doesn't mean you support the idea of abortions but rather the idea that a woman has the right to choose.
@iluvpinkandgold Ok, so if you support a woman's right to choose, you support her right to choose an abortion, or not to choose an abortion. You then are saying you support abortions, you can't say you're pro-choice but are anti-abortion. How many babies didn't have a 'choice' if they could live or not?
Then still thank your mom for choosing life, because she could have choosen abortion. Just think how your life "wouldn't have been" had your mom not choosen life for you.
@broncoalum97 yes my mother CHOOSE to not have an abortion. I believe every woman has the right to choose. I may or may not agree with the choices they've made but I'm not here to judge. yes pro choice means people have the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion. I believe in freedon of choice. you don't know the personal reasons why women get abortions. Would I ever get one? no. that's my CHOICE. a woman has the right to choose
@mandolinroad she looked at the her ever decreasing acting roles and her shrinking marketability and decided to seek cash from the religious, conservative crowd.
Kathy ireland is a hypocrite. She faulted bikinis in magazines for men to gawk at, which is VERY against chritainity's belief of modesty. She does that even a little bit today too. She also lends her name to jewelry and clotthes so retailers can charge more. Is this moral? Then she wants to talk about being anti abortion? lmao. I'm NOT even a Christian, yet I see through her fakeness. See her snake eyes and find out how she really is.
Even if you think that a fetus is not a human being at conception - you are still killing a *potential* human through an abortion: If you terminate a pregnancy in the womb, you are ending that fetus' chance at having a life, which it would have had had it not been terminated. It ain't rocket science.
Excellent, well-articulated argument. You don't have to be Christian; you don't have to be Republican; you don't have to be conservative to be against abortion. I agree - take politics and religion and money out of the issue, and all you have is two human lives: the mother and the developing child.
I also liked her statement about treating people with love. As MLK Jr. said, "Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
If the abortion lobby can keep people thinking that a child is part of the mother's body, then women will think it's just tissue, even though they regret doing it. Abortion clinics bitterly condemn alternatives to abortion being presented to pregnant women because it's a billion dollar business, of course.
Excellent video! What species is a "fetus" if not human? That nails it! I had abortions over 20 years ago out of ignorance and I still regret it every day. I wish there had been ultra sound back then....when you see a tiny little hand or foot ...no matter how small it is it is a hand, a foot , a body a little heart is beating...I am so sorry for the "choice" I made to destroy my babies life. Thank you for posting the video. From a mother who regrets her "choice".
@idarejoice Can a hand or a heart store memory or think or feel or have opinions? Can an embryo of fetus do anything other than grow? It is a potentiality at that stage- and putting a potentiality above an ACTUALITY- a real person, for your own personal pleasure, is barbaric. There is no 'baby' in an abortion- babies are born. From a mother who doesn't regret her choice. I'm not sorry for my choice, and my entire family, including my real, born, ACTUAL son, benefit from it. I'm not saying -c
-c you can't regret it or be hurt by it, but not everyone is, and abortion is whatever you want to make of it. You don't deserve to regret or be sad about having an abortion, b/c you are better than that. I'm sorry you hurt, but you shouldn't. Don't try to take away or hurt other people based on your mistakes and regrets- you'll do much more harm than good.
The bottom line on abortion is this. Its murder plain and simple. The womans right to choose definition would be the same no matter what the age of the child is for that matter. Hell, i guees its ok to kill kids when they are 10 if they qare inconvenient for these so called women who have abortions. You have to be an idiot not to see that abortion is wrong. Unfortunately most people are idiots and their "inconvenience" is an excuse for murder.
@filoIII so if somebody isn't perfect they can't exhort women not to kill their own little son or daughter before she can grow big enough to be born? Nobody's perfect - not you nor me. But we still have a RESPONSIBILITY to protect innocent human life. Abortion hurts women - no woman really wants to kill her own son or daughter. It's unnecessary - esp in the USA. We CAN and MUST help women, not tell them to just kill the little human child within. Everything Kathy Ireland said is SPOT ON.
I agree with Kathy. If the woman's life is threatened she should abort if she has no other choice. But the fetus is a living human living inside his/her mother.
Christians and Pro Lifers have condemned Pro Choicers. I think in order to stop the arguement, both Pro Lifers and Pro Choicers should make a compromise and come to an agreement. That way it would probably STOP the arguement.
The right to abortion isn't a simple 'rights issue', just like gay rights (which I agree with) etc, because in the case of abortion, TWO people's rights are at issue - those of the mother and those of the yet unborn child.
Out of all the SI models throughout the years, I don't think one ever had a face as striking as Kathy Ireland. Those bushy browse, those piercing eyes...wow!! Only drawback is, she's a Jesus freak. What a waste of good looks.
You should say the guy has his fun. Intercourse is never fun for the girl. She does it b/c she is emotionally attached to the guy, and needs to feel close to be secure. That's what marriage is for.
Unless she is completely heartless, she aborts b/c she feels abandoned, or ashamed, or fearful.
We need to empower our girls not to be so needy as to give themselves as sex slaves, expecting something in return.
I don't hear you mention love ... marriage should be about mutual love & respect. Bringing a life into the world should come out of such love. Today's young are being bombarded with messages of casual sex & non commitment ... this is where change has to come. Where have family values gone?
Good question, Mags. Young'uns are not given the example they need. As you described, they're conditioned to think it is abnormal not to be promiscuous, then wonder why nothing goes right when they try to switch gears, if they even know to. Many do not know better, the others are not strong enough to go against the tide. I know first hand what that is like. That's why I say, we must empower the girls so they won't be browbeaten into going against their instincts. Family love must be modeled.
Wonderful, Bravo!! ! Abortion is the most tragic problem of the modern times, We now look back to slavery and we can not understand how it was possible for a human to own another human person, Well I think in 100 years from now people are going to do the same thing and look back and say "how targic for a generation to kill humans in that way"
The notion of abortion for the life of the mother is a sad dillusion. Abortion is never medically necessary. Induce labor if the mother's life is genuinely going to be ended by carrying the pregnancy to term. By inducing labor, death is not a given, and life can possibly be saved for not only the mom, but also her unborn child. Why we've come to a place where abortion is just another procedure is beyond my comprehension. What a sad time we're in.
The pseudo Christian's argument is always about the woman. It's the woman's fault. OK, let's say they're successful and the gov't now controls a woman's body. What about the MAN? The woman didn't get pregnant by herself! Part of the law should punish the MAN. He gets one woman pregnant....FORCE HIM to pay half the cost of raising the child. If he does it again....jail. A 3rd time....forced vasectomy. Or do we just PUNISH WOMEN? You so-called Christians answer that one.
Raising a child is a joy, not a punishment. And am I to take care of you when you get old b/c you were too self-centered to have a child? How? The economy will collapse with so many old people and not enough workers. How about we all make sacrifices for each other? The outcome can only be good.
We live in an American Pie-throwaway baby era. If a woman is raped, as terrible and as cruel as the act is, the conception did not originate from God's choice. It was human choice for the man to rape the woman. From that point on its damage control: The only ethical thing to do from that point is to have the child and keep it or give it up for abortion. There is no biblical excuse for murdering a human being. If you don't believe in the bible/Q'uran/Torah anything goes.
You obviously have not understood Kathy Ireland at all!!! Nothing to do with being 'a nice lady' ... abortion is wrong - it leads to the same thing for whatever reason ... and that is the killing of a growing child in the womb! I'm surprised at you, Tipperary Man!!! Don't you think the developing child deserves a choice too?!!!
'They are terminating millions of unwanted pregnancies' yes, they are killing millions of babies!!! Who said these babies are unwanted? Maybe by the parents, but many couples are desperate to adopt a baby! 'Give women the right to choose' - give defenceless unborn children a chance - give them a choice!!! All these wrongs you mention can never make abortion right. The woman most definitely had a choice and chose - to risk pregnancy. If it's bad timing - just kill your offspring! Unbelievable!
If you don't like abortion then don't have one then.
If people are desperate to adopt a baby that does not mean that woman who want to terminate their pregnancy must be forced to carry a baby to full term.
What are you suggesting we do?
Lock women in the basement for 9 months? Jail women for having abortions? Jail their boyfriends or husbands or their friends and relations or the doctors and nursing staff at abortion clinics?
Not everyone has sex in a married relationship or has financial security or is not carrying a deformed foetus or has not been raped or is not a victim of incest.
Women have abortions because it is not convenient - they will have to give up college, give up their job, change their lives and raise a child they don't want by a father they don't love.
They save themselves and society the trouble with an abortion.
Shame ... I like the Irish, but you are showing them up big style!!! Your attitude stinks! Throw in your worst possible reason (excuse) - it will never make abortion right! Typical stupid comment 'if you don't want an abortion - don't have one' we aren't talking about a dessert after dinner - it's a life! Who are you to say that a child with a deformity of some kind, will not live a happy, fulfilled life! Don't play God here! At least give the child a chance of life with people who will love it!
... and who are YOU to condone a woman taking the life of her unborn child?!!! Poor woman has her fun and then won't take the responsibility of her selfish actions! You say, it is frankly none of my business, so, therefore, why are you here having your say? You have a total disrespect for life, and I have wasted enough time on you already! Have a nice life - sad to say that perhaps a child who is conceived with your help - may not!!!
one last reply to you ... uneducated I am not!!! It seems that the 'uneducated' comment comes freely to the Pro aborts! You are right I do not have sympathy for people who have their good times & end up killing the result of it!!! Adoption ... perhaps you have never heard of the word - but that would take someone who is unselfish!!! Did I say that Kathy Ireland was a good role model ... I said that she has made good points which are clear and easily understood! Wake up!!!
YOU are the loser!!! Maybe if abortion was illegal, you would re-think your promiscuous ways!!!
I have a nice life - thank you, and I'm certainly not a loser!!! Kathy Ireland states herself so eloquently ... but I realise that you have difficulty understanding her!!! I've wasted enough time with you!!!!
I agree. I don't think abortion should be used as a form of contraception and I think it is legitimate for societies to strive to reduce the number of abortions but an outright ban is counterproductive. Kathy is right about taking the politics out of the debate. The hysteria generated by both sides should also be discarded
Abortion is justifiable if the foetus is so malformed and unrecognisable as a human being, or if the mother is at risk also. To abort girls cause you want a boy, or if a foot is missing or minor conditions that a person can live with and live a productive life then it's totally WRONG to abort. I believe money incentives should be given to young people who can't look after a child instead of abortion, cause there are lots of people who want to adopt children.
If you are "pro-choice", please take a few minutes to watch a sonogram of an actual abortion. (They are rare for viewing. But one, from the 1980s, is on "YouTube": Silent Scream part 3.) Watch the human fetus respond to physical touch while the abortionist is killing her. How much pain does she feel being aborted? Judge for yourself. Of course, none of us know personally how much pain she feels...because none of us were aborted.
I think it's relatively easy to be against abortion when you're a woman with a successful career behind you and in front of you with a loving husband, fiancial security, and children of your own. Her thoughts on the subject hold about as much weight with me as a chiding lecture from Oprah on the perils of being overweight. Give me the live-in cook, fully stocked gym, and personal life coach and I'll be as skinny as you want.
So you believe that human beings have the right to live because the created the internet? Isn't that a spiritually poor self-perception?
No, animals do not ponder abortion. They kill their offspring after birth if necessary (for example, when a new alpha male becomes leader of a group of lions, the lionesses kill their young if the former alpha male had fathered them).
Please read Darwin before you misquote him: A chameleon is just as able of surviving as a human (probably even more so).
A female child is also not born with pubic hair and breasts, both usually grow later (not in all cases, though ...). Still, they are considered part of a female body.
I repeat, if the fetus isn't part of a woman's body, why don't we raise it elsewhere? Would simplify matters enormously.
But this is exactly the point. When a pregnant woman is depressive and plans to commit suicide because she finds she won't be able to care for a child, does that count as "life at risk"? After all, such cases have happened in the past (just check the medicine reports of earlier centuries!).
How much is a woman supposed to suffer until she is granted the right to decide what is happening to her own body?
Why don't we care for the children who are already born????? Remember the oh so Christian stepfather who raped his eight-year-old stepdaughter somewhere in Latin America, impregnating her? She couldn't have the child, because her body wouldn't have been able to survive the pregnancy. She was just too small, her womb much too fragile ... The stepfather didn't care about the fate of the child whom he raped, but he was outspokenly against the abortion she had!
As it is, th pro-life activists completely disregard the lie of the mother for the sake of the child; the pro-choice activists give the life of the mother a higher value than the life of the fetus, but work very hard to keep the number of abortions to a minimum which should, nevertheless, remain an opportunity to all women in need. Remember: pro-choice means you can always make a choice, you can always decide against an abortion.
If you believe that pro-choice activists work very hard to keep the number of abortions to a minimum, you are not only strongly mistaken, but borderline ignorant.
Thanks for calling me 'borderline ignorant' - always nice when sb. shows respect for others' opinions ...
I was referring to the fact that since abortion has become legal, which should and has always been accompanied by reasonable sexual education, access to contraceptives etc., the numbers of abortions have dropped considerably. Just compare the figures in Ireland and the Netherlands. Pro-choice is NOT the same as pro-abortion.
I'm with u andy. I am vehemently prochoice and would NEVER claim that prochoicers in general do our best to keep the # of abortions down. Our top priority is keeping abortions safe and legal. If some stupid crackhead wants to have 30 abortions, that is her choice
As a female, I'll be damned if a dick tells me what I can or cant do with my vagina
You are right, they sell abortions. They don't sell keeping the baby. They don't sell giving the baby up for adoption. They don't sell delivering that baby in any form. They only sell abortions.
@MildredMunk You're absolutely wrong. Planned parenthood and other abortion providers don't care if the number of abortions are low, they're making lots of money on lying to women. Also why would it matter how often women aborted their babies if "it's" nothing but a clump of cells? I think they just don't care and want to dismiss themselves of any adult responsibility, men and women alike. By the way the word "fetus", means small child or little one.
@MildredMunk No, prochoice doesn't mean you can always decide against an abortion, pro choice means other people are prepared to stand by when another human being is robbed of their entire life. We must support the poor woman, so often driven to abortion and we must support her child. Is anythng else even remotely human? I once supported abortion and I was very, very wrong. And I knew it.
"If the fetus is not Human, then no justification is necessary for an abortion. If the fetus is Human, no justification is sufficient." You commented that "pro-choice activists...work very hard to limit the number of abortions to a minimum..." My initial question to you then is, on your view, why bother limiting abortions at all? Why limit this practice if it is morally benign? Could it be because it is indeed immoral to kill an innocent human being - in or out of the womb?
She obviously hasn't read her hubby's medicine books very well. Only because a son has a penis doesn't mean the male child is not part of the woman's body. Both son and daughter get 50 per cent of their DNA from the mother, and the mother's body provides both female and male hormones during pregnancy. A male child is part of a pregnant woman's body; if it weren't, we wouldn't have the abortion issue, because we could separate the fetus from the woman and raise it elsewhere.
The child IS human, and one person's human rights cannot intrude upon another person's human rights. Human beings are interdepedent. That is how God and nature wired us to be. No one stands alone and can say they can take another persons life because that person is inconventient or stands in your way.
We can't outlaw abortion because there are underlying issues we need to resolve?? Would you say that we can't outlaw rape or child abuse because there are underlying issues to be resolved first? Of course not. If its wrong to take a human life, then its wrong. You don't wait until every issue is resolved before doing the right thing.
This really seems to break it down pretty clearly. If the unborn isn't a human, then you really don't need to justify abortions by talking about privacy, or womn's rights or anything else... but if the unborn is human, no reason is good enough to justifty elective abortion. So is the unborn a human or what??
This really is the question, isn't it ... we don't mind slaughtering animals and killing them for fun because they're not human. We believe that animals are inferior to humans, less valueable, because humans have a soul, or consciousness. When does that start then? When do we begin to develop a soul?
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Everyones entitled to their opinions but.. or as Miss California would say.. No offense to anyone but ..
With the extent that American bastard factories are bringing unwanted children into the world as it is .. Thank my imaginary friend Jesus for Abortions!
Au Shawster - Are you saying that if a child is unwanted, it is OK to kill it? or is it that if a child is unwanted they cannot become someone great? or is it that the 'suffering' an unwanted child may go through is reason enough to kill it? I am just not quite sure I understand the point you are trying to make. After all, even bastard children have something to offer.
ok maybe she got it can't tell. first comment I hadn't finished watching. HAHA.
devmanl 3 days ago
That's just it though its not your body. She says she learned something but it wasn't enough. strict definition makes it clear that a new organism is formed on conception. It is Considered to be a separate living organism not the mother. That is the non religious view I have and looking at it from a scientific point of view
devmanl 3 days ago
She is hypocrite - who claims to be a 'Mom helping Moms'! The only help she is giving is to help make their wallets lighter by selling overpriced designer junk to poor women. Check out "Kathy Ireland Hawaiian Homes". Yes, she knows about poor women, alright. She sees them from her mansions!
c0uchp0tat0e1 4 days ago
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So she has essentially won the freaking lottery over and over again - first genetically, second having been picked as a supermodel in HIGH SCHOOL no less (good thing she wasn't going to school in Podunk, KS!), and then gets an offer to endorse discount consumer goods at K-Mart, cashing in on 13 years as a world-famous super model. The 'life lesson' here? Be lucky.
Kathy is just another republican shill, cashing in on poor suckers who think if they buy her junk they can be her. How sad.
c0uchp0tat0e1 4 days ago
People throw the word Christianity as something bad...the reality is ''we'' are not bad people for wanting Pro Life, we just wish people can see that to remove a life from somebody's body is a spirit that was there BEFORE it's conception...we do believe in the internal life and the thought of eternal pain saddens us. There is 1,5 Million abortions in the US per year that is 3 per minute. There are many ways to remove them and some are quite horrific...complete with heartbeat, brain etc...
julichoi888 5 days ago
@julichoi888 Ya, you certainly wouldn't want someone to die before they can sin and send themselves to hell, that would be a damn shame.
l337pwnage 5 days ago
Its not apart of her body that is true. But here the thing is that its growing in her body its using her body functions. If a women doesnt want another organism to grow in her body human or other wise then its her choice. That women does not want another human growing inside her. You cant have the right to force someone else to carry you to term
animejerk05 6 days ago
my best argument is that at the early stages of a human fetus they can combine with each other. That means if a women has two eggs during her period and that both get sperm. Under prolifers definition there would be 2 humans living inside her. But every scientist will tell you that days later those two zygote cells they can fuse into one. So basically what happened to the other human did it just disappear where did it go??? There Kathy you have an argument now.
animejerk05 6 days ago
Im pro-life all the way. Let's make this the year we shut down Planned Parenthood and make abortion, contraception and gay-marriage illegal across the world. Pray for the Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI, may the Lord grant him length of days and deliver him not to the will of his enemies. Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with Thee blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen
victrolajake 6 days ago
Funny how christians believe in life after death, until it comes to abortion, lol.
l337pwnage 1 week ago
@l337pwnage That does not make sense....we believe in life, period. When you die you had a choice to make during this lifetime, then your 2nd return depends on what you decide for the here and now...which is your future. Please read more before taking your life so lightly..you may laugh about it but when there is so many evidence out there you WILL be shocked to find the truth, & you will wish you had chosen to become a Christian, there are no 2nd chances in life once you decide what you believe
julichoi888 5 days ago
@julichoi888 The christian god is far to immoral to worship. Only cowards capitulate to his threats, and only sadists bring children into a christian environment.
You have piqued my interest with this "2nd return" comment, tho. I've seen many variations of the Jesus Cult, and I haven't seen that used except to comment on Jebus's "2nd return" (which is technically his 3rd, but I digress).
So, you believe we come back to Earth after some non-death?
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@l337pwnage ''We'' um only the righteous..the ones that follow their way it is by DEFAULT u go to the underworld. I get this response often ''Rubbish'' well that is fine no loss to me, so when the people of this world reach the pearly gates u cannot say ''Oh it's real can I repent now?'' Ok take away the numerous literature out there, God is REAL as he is real to the person sitting next 2 me. Reason? Simple I have experienced overwhelming miracles that no-one can fathom..jaw-dropping MIRACLES!
julichoi888 4 days ago
@julichoi888 I think you need to take a deep breath and organize your thoughts.
I'm sure you believe what you believe, and you believe you saw what you think you saw, but that does not mean that it was real.
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@l337pwnage Sorry an Atheist will always be an Atheist..in THEIR reality it's that very belief that they stay in mediocrity..for me no thanks. When u sit at home & feel that void that so many Atheists feel u will have to remind yourself God takes away pain & that empty void. Sorry u can watch the deluded truth..remain in it. In God's world the spirit of God/heart reigns power over humanly facts. If Einstein was alive today he would say the same...the energy force within us is what creates LIFE!
julichoi888 3 days ago
@julichoi888 Um, I'm an anti-theist, I really don't care if any gods exist. An atheist is one who simply rejects peoples claims that a god, or gods, exist.
O, I have no doubt many people "need" "god" to help them, some people also "need" alcohol, or "need" marijuana, but that doesn't mean that it is a good idea indulge in such things.
Einstein didn't believe in a personal god or life after death. If you want to say "the universe is god", ok, but I'll just call it the "universe".
l337pwnage 2 days ago
People really show their true colors when you comment to a video like this and say you've had an abortion. I understand not everyone agrees with me, and that's okay. It wasn't your choice to make, it was mine. And, I'm happy with my choice and my life since. People shouldn't be so concerned and critical of other people's choices when I'm sure they have their own lives to focus on.
missatralissa 2 weeks ago
@missatralissa: So what you are saying is that no one should care that you killed your unborn child no matter if it was legal or not? No matter if you are a Christian or not or if you fell out of Christianity or not that is your challenge but when you sit here and say that you are happy that you had an abortion with no remorse about the unborn baby then you are truly an immoral person with no better values than the common murderer. I just wonder why you won't have the guts to answer my question?
bond519 2 weeks ago
@bond519 I never said I was happy I had an abortion, I said I have lived a happy life since. No one is happy they have to have an abortion. You will clearly never know what a hard choice it is. I know you wont believe me or care if I tried to explain it to you, so I wont waste our time. But, should you have questions I am more than willing to answer them. Though, i would kindly ask you to stop calling me names and being so rude. Please and thank you.
missatralissa 2 weeks ago
@missatralissa: I will tell you like I tell other people. I am a very direct person and I call things what they really are and when someone believes that killing unborn babies is ok I will call them what they really are "Baby Killers". I don't know your story but unless you were raped you decided to have sex, maybe used protection, got pregnant. So getting pregnant was your doing and you don't have enough committment in your body to take care of that baby you made. Instead "YOU KILL IT" Nice!!!!
bond519 2 weeks ago
@bond519 I don't need you or anyone to police my sex life. You clearly don't care about the unborn if you think a pregnancy from rape is acceptable for termination. You are making exceptions for which pregnancies to terminate based on your personal belief about the sex lives of others. I'm a grown woman who will have sex when and how I want, and will deal with the results how I see fit for mine and my partner's life. I don't have to base my life on your feelings, your world view is not mine.
missatralissa 2 weeks ago
@missatralissa: Well if you would actually read my post I did excuse rape. Rape pregnancies are less than 3% of all pregnancies and I believe it is less than that. So there is a 97% chance that you knew you had a chance to get pregnant so unless you were raped which I doubt you were you just plain didn't have the courage and the guts to live up to your responsibility of making that child. Instead you killed it because you didn't have any GUTS. Women like you are nothing but Scum.
bond519 2 weeks ago
@bond519 I'm done with you. I have no time for people who only want to be rude and call me names. It's a shame you can't be mature and talk to me like an adult, but who knows, perhaps you are a child. If so, I truly hope you grow up soon and realize you can talk to other people without resorting to Ad Hominem filled arguments. If you ever want to be mature and talk to me without being rude I'm always open for debate and answering questions.
missatralissa 2 weeks ago
@missatralissa: So in other words you are too chicken to handle the truth. I don't consider anyone that kills babies a legit adult. Your problem is that you don't have guts to stand up to your mistakes and you get pissed off when other people call you out on your bad decision. I rather doubt if you are a Christian but none the less you will have to answer for your murdering your unborn baby. Good luck with that. Now on the other hand if you were to beg God for forgiveness I beleive he would.
bond519 2 weeks ago
@bond519 You are truly ridiculous. You call me chicken because I choose not to fight back. I'm not angry or scared to answer question about my abortion. I spend a lot of time talking to other people about my abortion. I often council others who have or are considering having one. You are not debating, you are acting like a petulant child who can only call another person names and not make mature responses or arguments. I hope you grow up, if you do come back and we'll talk.
missatralissa 2 weeks ago
@missatralissa: No I called you chicken because you are too gutless to take care of your baby instead of killing it. Maybe I am wrong but you show no remorse about it. I know women that have had an abortion and they realize how much of a mistake it was and they realize they took a life. They also realize they can not change the action but they also council other women to not have an abortion. What do you do, tell other women yeah go ahead and have an abortion? It's just a lousy clump of cells.
bond519 2 weeks ago
@bond519 As I said, we see the unborn differently. At 5 weeks I aborted, and I do not have remorse or regrets over it. It was a time in my life that changed me, and forced me to grow beyond that choice. But, my choice is not the right one for everyone, and I have counseled some and told them that abortion is probably not right for them. I support all choices; so long as people are educated and safe, each person's pregnancy is their responsibly and it's their choice how to handle it.
missatralissa 2 weeks ago
@missatralissa: You didn't watch the video did you. You don't listen that scientific proof that life begins at conception and yet you can be such a selfish person and sit here and say "We see the unborn differently" Yes we do. I have five children, the first four were all planned and the youngest "the twinkle of my eye" we never even thought of killing. But you obvously would. It is never easy to have a child but you are too chicken to live up to that challenge. You are typical abortionist scum.
bond519 2 weeks ago
@bond519 Yes, at conception there is an evolving form that is growing and adapting. It is living, because all cells are living. You don't know my situation and why I chose to abort. You don't know my medical history and what factors led me to the decisions I made. Yet, you choose to assume things about me, like I would have killed your fifth child. It's comments like this that prove to me how little you know or care about having a mature conversation. I wish you all the best to your family.
missatralissa 2 weeks ago
@missatralissa: But you have excuses for killing your baby? My point was that our fifth child was not planned but we never even had a thought about aborting. My wife ended up quitting her $50K a year Job because my daughter had some issues. So keep your lame butt excuses about circumstances. The truth is that you just plain didn't have the guts to go through those circumstances and you felt killing your unwanted baby was a good thing to do. You're the one that can't handle a mature converstaion
bond519 2 weeks ago
@bond519 I had reasons for needing to terminate the pregnancy at that time in my life. You don't get to have an opinion that matters on my uterus or my life. When I am ready to have & adopt children I hope to be the best mother I can be for them. I don't understand what you get from putting me down, but I guess it makes you feel good to try and verbally hurt people. If you are a follower of Christ might I suggest you attempt to walk more in his shoes and show more compassion to others.
missatralissa 2 weeks ago
@missatralissa: You must not have a very good reason for aborting your baby even when YOU say you needing to terminate your pregnancy. I would almost understand rape but I doubt that is your reason. I would understand but not necessarily agree with aborting the baby because of an endangered mother but I doubt that is it either. You seem to believe that a the NEED to abort is any reason that the baby isn't wanted. By the way, before you suggest for me to walk in Christ shoes you should yourself.
bond519 2 weeks ago
I don't regret my abortion. Everyone is entitled to their own feelings on the subject, but don't see a 5 week fetus as being equal to a born human.
missatralissa 1 month ago
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@missatralissa Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
marionetemanJ 4 weeks ago
@marionetemanJ I was actually raised Christian, and then fell out of it. Now I'm an Anthropology major who studies evolution, both physical and cultural. Sorry to say, but in all my studies I have not seen any of the "historical evidence" you speak of. You may see things differently, and that's okay. That's your world view and culture. But, that's not mine. So, thank you for your concern for my "soul" but I'm doing just fine as a Humanist and atheist. :)
missatralissa 2 weeks ago
@missatralissa: So what you are saying is that if you didn't have an abortion then that clump of cells wouldn't have grown into a baby? So knowing that you don't feel bad that your son or daughter that you personally made doesn't have a chance to grow up to be a doctor, a lawyer or even a mother or father? Of course you don't see a 5 week old baby as a born human. You are no better than a snake that would eat a rat. Of course I am not sure which one you are, The snake or the rat.
bond519 2 weeks ago
@bond519 Thank you for such a lovely comment. It's good to see you are willing to judge & say such rude things to a stranger. I can honestly say that your ignorance & hate towards me is silly. I'm sure you have enough things in your own life to worry about, so feel free to not be so concerned with me. My abortion was the right choice for me. It meant that I was able to go to college and meet an amazing man who I plan to have & adopt children with. But, thanks for your nasty words. Take care.
missatralissa 2 weeks ago
@missatralissa: Looks like you are a little testy about your abortion. What is the matter, you can't handle someone asking you a simple question? Your guilt shows when you say I hate you. I don't hate you. I just asked you a question in which as normal you abortionists won't answer. By the way I am not concerned with you I couldn't care less about you but I care more for your aborted baby than you ever will. You can't even answer a question. I don't care what your excuse, Abortion is murder.
bond519 2 weeks ago
@bond519 I never said a 5 week embryo wasn't going to evolve into a born baby. But, at five weeks there was no pumping heart valve (I asked) and it is long before any nerves start to map out and connect to the brain to register touch/pain recognition. I don't believe in souls, so I do not see an embryo or fetus as anything other than just what those medical terms imply. You were the one who got nasty with me and resorted to calling me names and judging me.
missatralissa 2 weeks ago
@bond519 Also, you can worry about that aborted baby all you like. I will be more concerned with the children I will have in the future, who will be wanted and prepared for. I also care more for the children who are alive on this planet and have no homes, families, water, food, medicine, education or love. There are a lot of children who need homes. I spend my time concerned with them, they're the ones who could become doctors, lawyers or whatever they want if people would care to educate them.
missatralissa 2 weeks ago
@missatralissa: I just love the excuses of people like you that think killing unborn babies is Ok. You justify killing unborn babies with your justifications that you care more for children who are alive on this planet who need homes food medicine etc. Who in the heck are you kidding? You sit here and nearly brag on you having an abortion and that you care more about other children that are not your child! What a line of B.S. You are lying to yourself and the whole world when you say that crap.
bond519 2 weeks ago
People say that a unborn baby isn't really a person because they can't survive without the mother... My son is 20 months old and still depends on me for survival. So when did he magically go from being non human to human? Slaves and Jews were considered non human. So maybe one day the unborn will have some rights too. Cause they are just little people. Pro choice people are just agesist.
Maberunited 1 month ago
'human being can only produce other human beings' no shit sherlock, it took her this long to figure that out? And the quote about a mother carrying a male child which means it will have a penis which women dont have... maybe she should go and read a few more books, every human is a female in the first stages of development even if their DNA is of a male... thats why men have nipples.
xxSophiexSmithxx 1 month ago
Another reason why I love Kathy Ireland.
Naturalhit 3 months ago
Glad she is PRO-LIFE.
computerpurple 4 months ago 2
I do not understand people who say killing a fetus is not murder. Logic dictates that it is.
Twinpact 4 months ago
@Twinpact Well, a human life is a lot of the time dictated as a being that can survive/sustain life physically separated from their mother. I agree with that statement, but that's just me.
edawg792 4 months ago
she reminds me of Kelly Preston
thalialuvmx 7 months ago
I take this very personally because my mother was "older" when she found out that she deal with a third child at 42 years old....a lot of people told her that she should get rid of "it" cause she was too old to have another child.She told them all to stuff it where the sun don't shine!If she wasn't pro-life then I would not be sitting here typing this out!
spiked200 8 months ago 5
@spiked200 go her! :)
chocchipcookiegirl 6 months ago
@iluvpinkandgold
So, because someone is a woman, they should be able to commit murder? Because that's what abortion is. All scientific evidence shows that, at conception, the fetus is a human being. How is killing that human being NOT murder?
Yatta317 9 months ago 2
Very good! Spot on!
ooderbraten 11 months ago
This ho is retarded. Why are dumb people so fickle? Looked at medical books? What, did the bitch think that abortions are all rainbows, bunnies, and lollipops? See, this is why some women shouldn't be allowed to think. They're too emotional, they don't know what's right for the world. This is why you don't see female commercial airline pilots.
If Kathy changed her mind that quickly, I'm sure she'd change it back if she or one of her family members was raped or accidentally impregnated.
SmallpoxRot 11 months ago
@SmallpoxRot Yeah. I am the opposite. I used to be pro life but now i am pro choice. Life has taught me too mcuh.
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@MildredMunk
"If the fetus is not Human, then no justification is necessary for an abortion. If the fetus is Human, no justification is sufficient." You commented that "pro-choice activists...work very hard to limit the number of abortions to a minimum..." My initial question to you then is, on your view, why bother limiting abortions at all? Why limit this practice if it is morally benign? Could it be because it is indeed immoral to kill an innocent human being - in or out of the womb?
jammalammaDD 11 months ago
Oh, thanks for the video, I just lost all respect for Kathy Ireland.
rubberbaby00 1 year ago
I am pro choice
iluvpinkandgold 1 year ago
@iluvpinkandgold
Then you should thank your mother for being "pro life" and not aborting you!
broncoalum97 10 months ago
@broncoalum97 My mother is also Pro Choice .... being pro choice doesn't mean you support the idea of abortions but rather the idea that a woman has the right to choose.
iluvpinkandgold 10 months ago
@iluvpinkandgold Ok, so if you support a woman's right to choose, you support her right to choose an abortion, or not to choose an abortion. You then are saying you support abortions, you can't say you're pro-choice but are anti-abortion. How many babies didn't have a 'choice' if they could live or not?
Then still thank your mom for choosing life, because she could have choosen abortion. Just think how your life "wouldn't have been" had your mom not choosen life for you.
broncoalum97 10 months ago
@broncoalum97 yes my mother CHOOSE to not have an abortion. I believe every woman has the right to choose. I may or may not agree with the choices they've made but I'm not here to judge. yes pro choice means people have the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion. I believe in freedon of choice. you don't know the personal reasons why women get abortions. Would I ever get one? no. that's my CHOICE. a woman has the right to choose
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@iluvpinkandgold Then you should thank your mother for being "pro life" and not aborting you!
broncoalum97 10 months ago
She got so many things wrong.
teafortess 1 year ago
"When I looked at some medical books and saw the scientific evidence..." I rest my case
mandolinroad 1 year ago
@mandolinroad she looked at the her ever decreasing acting roles and her shrinking marketability and decided to seek cash from the religious, conservative crowd.
magicpet 1 year ago
@magicpet SPREAD OUT! {GOUGES EYES} Moe masturbated to this video, see? Now go cook me something to eat, porcupine!
MoeTheOriginalTroll 1 year ago
Kathy ireland is a hypocrite. She faulted bikinis in magazines for men to gawk at, which is VERY against chritainity's belief of modesty. She does that even a little bit today too. She also lends her name to jewelry and clotthes so retailers can charge more. Is this moral? Then she wants to talk about being anti abortion? lmao. I'm NOT even a Christian, yet I see through her fakeness. See her snake eyes and find out how she really is.
3333sweetie 1 year ago
The issue still remains, regardless of the morality of the decision, "who will choose."
We will either have a centralized authority, such as a government, decide; or we will decentralize the decision to the individual.
SSArcher11 1 year ago
Even if you think that a fetus is not a human being at conception - you are still killing a *potential* human through an abortion: If you terminate a pregnancy in the womb, you are ending that fetus' chance at having a life, which it would have had had it not been terminated. It ain't rocket science.
uk6strings 1 year ago
she is so stupid and gross
taja4u 1 year ago
@taja4u i know she's stpid, but why do u say gross?
3333sweetie 1 year ago
How anyone can argue with this is beyond me! Perfectly said Kathy!
TheGwynnSmith 1 year ago 2
Excellent, well-articulated argument. You don't have to be Christian; you don't have to be Republican; you don't have to be conservative to be against abortion. I agree - take politics and religion and money out of the issue, and all you have is two human lives: the mother and the developing child.
I also liked her statement about treating people with love. As MLK Jr. said, "Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that."
Ihateqwerty 1 year ago 9
If the abortion lobby can keep people thinking that a child is part of the mother's body, then women will think it's just tissue, even though they regret doing it. Abortion clinics bitterly condemn alternatives to abortion being presented to pregnant women because it's a billion dollar business, of course.
spankula123 1 year ago
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Kathy is the one who should have been aborted
HowardSternn 1 year ago
Haha, that was a smart way to market her book. Go on Fox"news" and spew anti-abortion crap! : )
winterstellar 1 year ago
Excellent video! What species is a "fetus" if not human? That nails it! I had abortions over 20 years ago out of ignorance and I still regret it every day. I wish there had been ultra sound back then....when you see a tiny little hand or foot ...no matter how small it is it is a hand, a foot , a body a little heart is beating...I am so sorry for the "choice" I made to destroy my babies life. Thank you for posting the video. From a mother who regrets her "choice".
idarejoice 1 year ago 17
@idarejoice Can a hand or a heart store memory or think or feel or have opinions? Can an embryo of fetus do anything other than grow? It is a potentiality at that stage- and putting a potentiality above an ACTUALITY- a real person, for your own personal pleasure, is barbaric. There is no 'baby' in an abortion- babies are born. From a mother who doesn't regret her choice. I'm not sorry for my choice, and my entire family, including my real, born, ACTUAL son, benefit from it. I'm not saying -c
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
-c you can't regret it or be hurt by it, but not everyone is, and abortion is whatever you want to make of it. You don't deserve to regret or be sad about having an abortion, b/c you are better than that. I'm sorry you hurt, but you shouldn't. Don't try to take away or hurt other people based on your mistakes and regrets- you'll do much more harm than good.
ryddelwearsahat 3 months ago
The bottom line on abortion is this. Its murder plain and simple. The womans right to choose definition would be the same no matter what the age of the child is for that matter. Hell, i guees its ok to kill kids when they are 10 if they qare inconvenient for these so called women who have abortions. You have to be an idiot not to see that abortion is wrong. Unfortunately most people are idiots and their "inconvenience" is an excuse for murder.
liveevil9081 1 year ago
Gay rights are for everyone!!!
ScientificalnessUSA 1 year ago
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@ScientificalnessUSA I agree glad you agree with me.
RealTime88 1 year ago
Wank wank emotional arguments from pro lifers are so funny.
Brezable 1 year ago
@filoIII so if somebody isn't perfect they can't exhort women not to kill their own little son or daughter before she can grow big enough to be born? Nobody's perfect - not you nor me. But we still have a RESPONSIBILITY to protect innocent human life. Abortion hurts women - no woman really wants to kill her own son or daughter. It's unnecessary - esp in the USA. We CAN and MUST help women, not tell them to just kill the little human child within. Everything Kathy Ireland said is SPOT ON.
urbanh196398105 1 year ago 2
"Who am I to impose my beliefs on someone else?" Good question, Kathy. Now shut your fucking mouth.
dougmanjones 1 year ago
She's gorgeous and dead on!!!
kevinrobbins85 1 year ago 4
I agree with Kathy. If the woman's life is threatened she should abort if she has no other choice. But the fetus is a living human living inside his/her mother.
Christians and Pro Lifers have condemned Pro Choicers. I think in order to stop the arguement, both Pro Lifers and Pro Choicers should make a compromise and come to an agreement. That way it would probably STOP the arguement.
mjt19741 1 year ago 2
The right to abortion isn't a simple 'rights issue', just like gay rights (which I agree with) etc, because in the case of abortion, TWO people's rights are at issue - those of the mother and those of the yet unborn child.
bacabu30 1 year ago
Anyone seen "Alien from LA" it was an excellent piece of cinema.
BTW, Ireland is a dumb cunt.
gnigged68 1 year ago
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Out of all the SI models throughout the years, I don't think one ever had a face as striking as Kathy Ireland. Those bushy browse, those piercing eyes...wow!! Only drawback is, she's a Jesus freak. What a waste of good looks.
handsomedevill1001 2 years ago
she doesn't mention if someone is sexually assaulted either...
missamelie17 2 years ago
LMAO! "I looked into *science* books and that made me hate abortion...it was hard to overlook evolution while I was in there, but I managed."
HarlotBug3 2 years ago
so Christians can get 3/4 naked and show off what their mama gave 'em on national magazines? I hope she's saved and repented for causing men to lust
filoIII 2 years ago 2
i hear ya!! sooooo true what you said
missamelie17 2 years ago
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@Magisemagee:
You should say the guy has his fun. Intercourse is never fun for the girl. She does it b/c she is emotionally attached to the guy, and needs to feel close to be secure. That's what marriage is for.
Unless she is completely heartless, she aborts b/c she feels abandoned, or ashamed, or fearful.
We need to empower our girls not to be so needy as to give themselves as sex slaves, expecting something in return.
I always liked Kathy Ireland. Now, I know why.
tjttzcspplt 2 years ago
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basementsystems 2 years ago
tjttz....
I don't hear you mention love ... marriage should be about mutual love & respect. Bringing a life into the world should come out of such love. Today's young are being bombarded with messages of casual sex & non commitment ... this is where change has to come. Where have family values gone?
Magsiemagee 2 years ago
Good question, Mags. Young'uns are not given the example they need. As you described, they're conditioned to think it is abnormal not to be promiscuous, then wonder why nothing goes right when they try to switch gears, if they even know to. Many do not know better, the others are not strong enough to go against the tide. I know first hand what that is like. That's why I say, we must empower the girls so they won't be browbeaten into going against their instincts. Family love must be modeled.
tjttzcspplt 2 years ago
Wonderful, Bravo!! ! Abortion is the most tragic problem of the modern times, We now look back to slavery and we can not understand how it was possible for a human to own another human person, Well I think in 100 years from now people are going to do the same thing and look back and say "how targic for a generation to kill humans in that way"
SuperMrkato 2 years ago
The notion of abortion for the life of the mother is a sad dillusion. Abortion is never medically necessary. Induce labor if the mother's life is genuinely going to be ended by carrying the pregnancy to term. By inducing labor, death is not a given, and life can possibly be saved for not only the mom, but also her unborn child. Why we've come to a place where abortion is just another procedure is beyond my comprehension. What a sad time we're in.
Good video!
yamagoof 2 years ago
The pseudo Christian's argument is always about the woman. It's the woman's fault. OK, let's say they're successful and the gov't now controls a woman's body. What about the MAN? The woman didn't get pregnant by herself! Part of the law should punish the MAN. He gets one woman pregnant....FORCE HIM to pay half the cost of raising the child. If he does it again....jail. A 3rd time....forced vasectomy. Or do we just PUNISH WOMEN? You so-called Christians answer that one.
saladwagon 2 years ago
Raising a child is a joy, not a punishment. And am I to take care of you when you get old b/c you were too self-centered to have a child? How? The economy will collapse with so many old people and not enough workers. How about we all make sacrifices for each other? The outcome can only be good.
tjttzcspplt 2 years ago
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basementsystems 2 years ago
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boredomqueen09 1 year ago
We live in an American Pie-throwaway baby era. If a woman is raped, as terrible and as cruel as the act is, the conception did not originate from God's choice. It was human choice for the man to rape the woman. From that point on its damage control: The only ethical thing to do from that point is to have the child and keep it or give it up for abortion. There is no biblical excuse for murdering a human being. If you don't believe in the bible/Q'uran/Torah anything goes.
fashklash 2 years ago
While I understand where someone like Kathy Ireland is coming from - she is a very nice lady - the choice still remains that of the mother.
What if a 14 year old girl gets pregnant after having sex with a 14 year old boy because they both wanted to see what sex was like?
How about a young woman in college who got pregnant after a foolish one night stand?
What if a mother with 4 kids finds herself pregnant and can't cope with another baby?
They deserve a choice.
TheTipperaryMan 2 years ago
You obviously have not understood Kathy Ireland at all!!! Nothing to do with being 'a nice lady' ... abortion is wrong - it leads to the same thing for whatever reason ... and that is the killing of a growing child in the womb! I'm surprised at you, Tipperary Man!!! Don't you think the developing child deserves a choice too?!!!
Magsiemagee 2 years ago
Millions of American women have abortions every year. They are terminating millions of unwanted pregnancies.
Who is going to take care of all those children?
Are you going to prevent women from having abortions?
Are you going to send all those women to prison for 1st degree murder or death row?
Give women the right to choose.
It is not my business or your business.
It is the woman's choice whether a growing child remains in her womb and if she doesn't want to be pregnant and to be mother.
TheTipperaryMan 2 years ago
'They are terminating millions of unwanted pregnancies' yes, they are killing millions of babies!!! Who said these babies are unwanted? Maybe by the parents, but many couples are desperate to adopt a baby! 'Give women the right to choose' - give defenceless unborn children a chance - give them a choice!!! All these wrongs you mention can never make abortion right. The woman most definitely had a choice and chose - to risk pregnancy. If it's bad timing - just kill your offspring! Unbelievable!
Magsiemagee 2 years ago
If you don't like abortion then don't have one then.
If people are desperate to adopt a baby that does not mean that woman who want to terminate their pregnancy must be forced to carry a baby to full term.
What are you suggesting we do?
Lock women in the basement for 9 months? Jail women for having abortions? Jail their boyfriends or husbands or their friends and relations or the doctors and nursing staff at abortion clinics?
Yeah that makes sense.
Let's live in a police state.
Why not?
TheTipperaryMan 2 years ago
I have to break it to you.
Not everyone has sex in a married relationship or has financial security or is not carrying a deformed foetus or has not been raped or is not a victim of incest.
Women have abortions because it is not convenient - they will have to give up college, give up their job, change their lives and raise a child they don't want by a father they don't love.
They save themselves and society the trouble with an abortion.
Deal with that.
Women have the right to choose.
TheTipperaryMan 2 years ago
Shame ... I like the Irish, but you are showing them up big style!!! Your attitude stinks! Throw in your worst possible reason (excuse) - it will never make abortion right! Typical stupid comment 'if you don't want an abortion - don't have one' we aren't talking about a dessert after dinner - it's a life! Who are you to say that a child with a deformity of some kind, will not live a happy, fulfilled life! Don't play God here! At least give the child a chance of life with people who will love it!
Magsiemagee 2 years ago 2
Don't play God and let women have the right to choose.
Who are you to force a woman who does want to be pregnant, who does not want to a child, to carry the baby to full term?
There is not a single woman who makes the decision to abort lightly.
It is quite frankly none of your business.
TheTipperaryMan 2 years ago
... and who are YOU to condone a woman taking the life of her unborn child?!!! Poor woman has her fun and then won't take the responsibility of her selfish actions! You say, it is frankly none of my business, so, therefore, why are you here having your say? You have a total disrespect for life, and I have wasted enough time on you already! Have a nice life - sad to say that perhaps a child who is conceived with your help - may not!!!
Magsiemagee 2 years ago
"poor woman has her fun"
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about and you are totally unreasonable.
Your entire worldview is delusional and childish to say the very least.
Have a nice life.
TheTipperaryMan 2 years ago
Who are we to muder what we did not put into being? An abortionist plays God. I think you are confusing the two.
tjttzcspplt 2 years ago
If it truly is a human being then can any amount of innocence or ignorance on behalf of the mother justify killing?
Christislife 2 years ago
@Christislife
The woman decides if she wants to carry the baby to full term. It is her choice.
TheTipperaryMan 2 years ago
Christislife ...
absolutely not!!!
Magsiemagee 2 years ago
Pants ...
one last reply to you ... uneducated I am not!!! It seems that the 'uneducated' comment comes freely to the Pro aborts! You are right I do not have sympathy for people who have their good times & end up killing the result of it!!! Adoption ... perhaps you have never heard of the word - but that would take someone who is unselfish!!! Did I say that Kathy Ireland was a good role model ... I said that she has made good points which are clear and easily understood! Wake up!!!
Magsiemagee 2 years ago
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basementsystems 2 years ago
EasyPants ...
YOU are the loser!!! Maybe if abortion was illegal, you would re-think your promiscuous ways!!!
I have a nice life - thank you, and I'm certainly not a loser!!! Kathy Ireland states herself so eloquently ... but I realise that you have difficulty understanding her!!! I've wasted enough time with you!!!!
Magsiemagee 2 years ago
atta girl. so confident, such truth.
kathleendunn 2 years ago
I'm pro-choice and will remain as such. But that was the clearest and most articulate reasoning I've heard on the pro-life side.
danni1030 2 years ago
I agree. I don't think abortion should be used as a form of contraception and I think it is legitimate for societies to strive to reduce the number of abortions but an outright ban is counterproductive. Kathy is right about taking the politics out of the debate. The hysteria generated by both sides should also be discarded
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
well said!
chloeandmattie 2 years ago
Abortion is justifiable if the foetus is so malformed and unrecognisable as a human being, or if the mother is at risk also. To abort girls cause you want a boy, or if a foot is missing or minor conditions that a person can live with and live a productive life then it's totally WRONG to abort. I believe money incentives should be given to young people who can't look after a child instead of abortion, cause there are lots of people who want to adopt children.
MrArtman101 2 years ago
Have just seen and 'favourited' this video. So clear and simply stated ... thank you very much for posting!!!
Magsiemagee 2 years ago
If you are "pro-choice", please take a few minutes to watch a sonogram of an actual abortion. (They are rare for viewing. But one, from the 1980s, is on "YouTube": Silent Scream part 3.) Watch the human fetus respond to physical touch while the abortionist is killing her. How much pain does she feel being aborted? Judge for yourself. Of course, none of us know personally how much pain she feels...because none of us were aborted.
kweer58 2 years ago
I think it's relatively easy to be against abortion when you're a woman with a successful career behind you and in front of you with a loving husband, fiancial security, and children of your own. Her thoughts on the subject hold about as much weight with me as a chiding lecture from Oprah on the perils of being overweight. Give me the live-in cook, fully stocked gym, and personal life coach and I'll be as skinny as you want.
saprater25 2 years ago
So you believe that human beings have the right to live because the created the internet? Isn't that a spiritually poor self-perception?
No, animals do not ponder abortion. They kill their offspring after birth if necessary (for example, when a new alpha male becomes leader of a group of lions, the lionesses kill their young if the former alpha male had fathered them).
Please read Darwin before you misquote him: A chameleon is just as able of surviving as a human (probably even more so).
MildredMunk 2 years ago
A female child is also not born with pubic hair and breasts, both usually grow later (not in all cases, though ...). Still, they are considered part of a female body.
I repeat, if the fetus isn't part of a woman's body, why don't we raise it elsewhere? Would simplify matters enormously.
MildredMunk 2 years ago
Because they haven't invented artificial wombs yet.
JohananRaatz 2 years ago
But this is exactly the point. When a pregnant woman is depressive and plans to commit suicide because she finds she won't be able to care for a child, does that count as "life at risk"? After all, such cases have happened in the past (just check the medicine reports of earlier centuries!).
How much is a woman supposed to suffer until she is granted the right to decide what is happening to her own body?
MildredMunk 2 years ago
Love, love, love this. Well thought-out and nicely articulated; I'm impressed.
guitar4799 2 years ago
Why don't we care for the children who are already born????? Remember the oh so Christian stepfather who raped his eight-year-old stepdaughter somewhere in Latin America, impregnating her? She couldn't have the child, because her body wouldn't have been able to survive the pregnancy. She was just too small, her womb much too fragile ... The stepfather didn't care about the fate of the child whom he raped, but he was outspokenly against the abortion she had!
That's what I call hypocrisy.
MildredMunk 2 years ago
As it is, th pro-life activists completely disregard the lie of the mother for the sake of the child; the pro-choice activists give the life of the mother a higher value than the life of the fetus, but work very hard to keep the number of abortions to a minimum which should, nevertheless, remain an opportunity to all women in need. Remember: pro-choice means you can always make a choice, you can always decide against an abortion.
MildredMunk 2 years ago
If you believe that pro-choice activists work very hard to keep the number of abortions to a minimum, you are not only strongly mistaken, but borderline ignorant.
andymmmkay 2 years ago 20
Thanks for calling me 'borderline ignorant' - always nice when sb. shows respect for others' opinions ...
I was referring to the fact that since abortion has become legal, which should and has always been accompanied by reasonable sexual education, access to contraceptives etc., the numbers of abortions have dropped considerably. Just compare the figures in Ireland and the Netherlands. Pro-choice is NOT the same as pro-abortion.
MildredMunk 2 years ago
@andymmmkay
I'm with u andy. I am vehemently prochoice and would NEVER claim that prochoicers in general do our best to keep the # of abortions down. Our top priority is keeping abortions safe and legal. If some stupid crackhead wants to have 30 abortions, that is her choice
As a female, I'll be damned if a dick tells me what I can or cant do with my vagina
HaveAnAbortion 1 year ago
@andymmmkay
You are right, they sell abortions. They don't sell keeping the baby. They don't sell giving the baby up for adoption. They don't sell delivering that baby in any form. They only sell abortions.
gonziaczek1 1 year ago 2
@andymmmkay Abortion is a selfish act. Even rape vitims that decided not to abort have said that.
franciscodudeful 7 months ago 4
@MildredMunk You're absolutely wrong. Planned parenthood and other abortion providers don't care if the number of abortions are low, they're making lots of money on lying to women. Also why would it matter how often women aborted their babies if "it's" nothing but a clump of cells? I think they just don't care and want to dismiss themselves of any adult responsibility, men and women alike. By the way the word "fetus", means small child or little one.
kevinrobbins85 1 year ago
@MildredMunk
Because of abortion, the innocent little pre-born baby doesn't get to decide to live, you pissant.
RichKnight2010 1 year ago
@MildredMunk No, prochoice doesn't mean you can always decide against an abortion, pro choice means other people are prepared to stand by when another human being is robbed of their entire life. We must support the poor woman, so often driven to abortion and we must support her child. Is anythng else even remotely human? I once supported abortion and I was very, very wrong. And I knew it.
Youdamana 1 year ago
@MildredMunk Too bad that the victim (baby) has no choice.
EuropeanProLifer 1 year ago
@MildredMunk
"If the fetus is not Human, then no justification is necessary for an abortion. If the fetus is Human, no justification is sufficient." You commented that "pro-choice activists...work very hard to limit the number of abortions to a minimum..." My initial question to you then is, on your view, why bother limiting abortions at all? Why limit this practice if it is morally benign? Could it be because it is indeed immoral to kill an innocent human being - in or out of the womb?
jammalammaDD 11 months ago
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jammalammaDD 11 months ago
She obviously hasn't read her hubby's medicine books very well. Only because a son has a penis doesn't mean the male child is not part of the woman's body. Both son and daughter get 50 per cent of their DNA from the mother, and the mother's body provides both female and male hormones during pregnancy. A male child is part of a pregnant woman's body; if it weren't, we wouldn't have the abortion issue, because we could separate the fetus from the woman and raise it elsewhere.
MildredMunk 2 years ago
I hope Huckabee runs for president again at the next election!
becandtrey 2 years ago
The child IS human, and one person's human rights cannot intrude upon another person's human rights. Human beings are interdepedent. That is how God and nature wired us to be. No one stands alone and can say they can take another persons life because that person is inconventient or stands in your way.
dawnthi 2 years ago
Amen to that Kathy Ireland.
loveslife55 2 years ago
We can't outlaw abortion because there are underlying issues we need to resolve?? Would you say that we can't outlaw rape or child abuse because there are underlying issues to be resolved first? Of course not. If its wrong to take a human life, then its wrong. You don't wait until every issue is resolved before doing the right thing.
ps4455 2 years ago 2
This really seems to break it down pretty clearly. If the unborn isn't a human, then you really don't need to justify abortions by talking about privacy, or womn's rights or anything else... but if the unborn is human, no reason is good enough to justifty elective abortion. So is the unborn a human or what??
hockleyagg 2 years ago
is the un-dead not alive?
AuShawster 2 years ago
This really is the question, isn't it ... we don't mind slaughtering animals and killing them for fun because they're not human. We believe that animals are inferior to humans, less valueable, because humans have a soul, or consciousness. When does that start then? When do we begin to develop a soul?
Is there somebody who does know that?
MildredMunk 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this! Kathy Ireland is amazing. So well spoken. And beautiful.
ps4455 2 years ago 3
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Everyones entitled to their opinions but.. or as Miss California would say.. No offense to anyone but ..
With the extent that American bastard factories are bringing unwanted children into the world as it is .. Thank my imaginary friend Jesus for Abortions!
AuShawster 2 years ago
Au Shawster - Are you saying that if a child is unwanted, it is OK to kill it? or is it that if a child is unwanted they cannot become someone great? or is it that the 'suffering' an unwanted child may go through is reason enough to kill it? I am just not quite sure I understand the point you are trying to make. After all, even bastard children have something to offer.
hockleyagg 2 years ago 9