Whats more boring .. guys taking breathers on the floor on top of each other after 3 mins of a 5 round fight .. or guys exchanging combinations for 12 rounds non stop with the exception of 1 min break after each round ? I guess sport is bigger then a brand .. MMA ? what was MMA 20 years ago ? MMA isnt even an art of combat realistically (its just an ideology) Just the way there isnt any Art that involves Soccer,Basket ball and Baseball all together as one..
@TheRey4you Most people new to fighting would prefer watching mma over boxing. Boxing is something that people watch because their dad watched it so they grew up with it. Go look up shogun vs henderson MMA is just a lot more fun to watch in my opinion. Ideology as in a cult? MMA is an art of combat it's just not refined yet cause it's new.
@Gonzoidzz Lol, people boo because MMA fans easily get restless. We're use to seeing all out wars, punches, kicks, elbows, knees, slams. MMA is where fight fans go when they're tired of boring boxing. In boxing, there are typically entire rounds without anyone getting in a decent tag but the fans never boo because a boring fight is what they expect.
@JOSH7141 Dont think so. It would happen already if it was about it. Cain Vs Dos santos. UFC preferred if cain was because he would still be a mexican heavyweight champion and would attract fans in mexico to the ufc/mma. Dos santos won by ko 1 round.
Ok mma fellowers seens like u guyz think your sport is bigger then any other... I hear mma fans say is bigger than football,soocer,basketball,baseball,and boxing... Does it really if it is... Plus the peoplethat actually watch the ufc are the age 25 to 13... This explains y u guys think the ufc better then any other sport...
@mjordan1998 Fuck no bro soccer in the world cup gets 1 billion views world wide, so that makes soccer the better sport... UFC can't even pass boxing ratings thats a fact too dont BS UFC can barely even get a million views or not even a million so stfu... American football gets 95 million veiws on the super bowl so stfu
He is 100% wrong to say there's no 11 year olds in MMA gyms and also wrong to say that MMA doesn't have a culture around it....just because you aren't apart of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Open your eyes
I personally dont care if boxing brings in bigger numbers and money. Money is what killed boxing for me years ago. Whatever fighter brings in the most money will remain on top. Fixed matches, bad matchups, and dodging good fights (pacman and mayweather). Whatever it takes to keep the money coming. Boxing is garbage and i hope mma never gets to that point
for any mma fan who aint from UK, let me catergorically say that MMA/UFC is no where near boxing in terms of popularity, viewership, attendance and financial figures. that aint an opinion. thats a fact.
if you ever go to local mma events they are the absolute worst organised and run shows but most yall dont know that cos you never go to events and know nothing about mma to try defend it..
you only see the ufc which is a world wide promotion and how they run it like real pros and assume al other shows are the same
Lol, I've seen a lot of great fights outside of the UFC. DREAM, Bellator, Strike Force, and many other organizations that aren't as popular put on fantastic fights. This guy is biased.
@Thiagosilva2487 there are probably more than 10 if not 100 more boxing gyms in europe than mma gyms,easily,every single town has a boxing gym,its properly organised and the standard of coaching is way better than mma clubs.MMA will never replace boxings popularity because untrained grapplers dont undersatnd or like grappling,everyone understands a punch in the head.Ive boxed for 10 yrs and done combat sports for 26 ,mma for 6 of those.
@scarred10 im pretty sure in 10 years boxing will be quiet and MMA will be a reconized top sport.... because while the uneducated fan doesnt appreciate grappling... the mayweathers/pacmans of today are the last stars boxing is gonna get all the young fighters are training MMA and getting into MMA class's just the way i see it... where boxing was 5 years ago and where MMA was 5 years ago is how i see it in 10 years but inversed
@ottawatchit more fans worldwide? Look at the comments dude don't see to many boxing fans bro. There's a reason this videos got 83% dislikes... Dumbass 😔
@jizztastics That's the dumbest shit ever. LOL. You do know that this video is posted on many mma sites. MMA SITES YOU FUCKING DUMBASS. And yes there is more boxing fans than mma fans for the time being. Using the comments section and dislike bar is fucking stupid. 83% dislikes doesn't equal a lot of mma fans.
For example: A popular, very well liked video starts getting bad rates because they decided to put in the stupid youtube songs "let the body hit the floor" or "stereo" something, I forgot.
Look at "Bernard Hopkins - "The UFC Is Gay Porn"" video, 262 Likes and 127 dislikes. Does that mean that there are more boxing fans then??? There are other factors why the vid is liked or disliked, i.e. preference, video quality, ALL FUCK IT you too stupid to understand. AND IF you're wondering why I'm going crazy right now is because you called me a dumbass first and proceeded with a dumbass comment...
@jizztastics Oh yeah, DON'T BE SCARED HOMIE!!! Deleting the "G" in my username, gottawachit so that it won't send me an email of your reply to my comment. Trying to talk smack while trying not to get noticed. LOL. What a bitch move...
300 boxing events? where? i haven't heard of any :/ not even in the fucking metro. I guess the boxing community can be as arrogant while they can as there sport is getting swallowed.
These days, Anybody can shout nonsense on tv without even educating themself, that one guy sits there with an agenda, And that agenda is 'proctect boxing no matter what' its a real shame a ESPN affiliate comes across like this.
There are only what? 3-5 significant boxing matches a year? Ok maybe round it up to 10. There are that many significant matches in 2 UFC cards, so arguing that boxing is bigger than mma is ludicrous.
@FilthySlutCorp I love MMA and like Boxing but even I find your comment funny/ridiculous. LOL
It's like saying American Football is more significant than the Olympics because Football has a significant match each year and the Olympics is once each four years.
***Not saying which is bigger, only that your approach is... flawed...
@gottawachit key-word in my argument: significant. I argued that there are more significant mma matches, not more mma matches overall (although that's probably true too). I agree with you that the number of events isn't what makes the sport better, but the number of significant events does. My approach is only flawed in the sense it doesn't spell everything out to you, because, well, youtube has a word count. Also: the Olympics isn't a sport.
Look at it this way. MMA has "many significant matches", I tend to agree. And boxing has "3-5 significant boxing matches a year". Compare the number of views, coverage, numbers, etc and boxing will come on top. Boxing is liked in a lot of countries. MMA is still penetrating through to new markets. Right now Boxing is bigger.
@gottawachit If hypothetically boxing does get more views overall then you have to consider the argument you have just put through in some of your other posts: if boxing has given all it has to give, is on the decline and mma is up and coming, on the rise etc, does that really make boxing bigger than mma? Numbers may matter, but concrete potential for growth is also important and I would argue makes mma bigger than boxing. It certainly seems to get talked about a lot more than boxing.
@FilthySlutCorp WHAT I AM SAYIN is that lets say: Boxing (Bigger, for now) is at 80% and going down and MMA (new and up and coming) is at 50% and going up. I NEVER SAID MMA is not going to top boxing or ever will. I'm saying that Boxing, RIGHT NOW, is bigger for the time being, OVERALL. There are more Boxing fans in the world than MMA when compared to eachother and it may flip flop in the years coming. Just because it's declining doesn't mean its smaller, it means it's getting smaller. GOT IT???
@gottawachit I can see the points behind that argument, however I would still argue that the moment you evaluate that something is on the decline and dying and something is up and coming, the latter instantly becomes the more successful, even if the numbers don't reflect that. It might not be success that can be measured by the numbers, but it's the same as dropping a ball: it may have not reached the ground yet, but it will, so it might as well be considered on the ground while mid air
@gottawachit well put it to you this way: if you were to invest in either boxing or mma, which would you choose? Does that help you understand my argument now? Being bigger isn't just about the numbers it is pulling now, it's about it's overall potential as well. And that's on a basic level, before we even begin to explore what the numbers being pulled now put in the correct context mean.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT "NOW" and "IS", NOT "POTENTIAL" or "GOING TO BE"
If i invest in Boxing right now I will lose investments in the future, but BOXING IS BIGGER RIGHT NOW even though it's in the decline!!!! NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW
NOT LATER, NOT IN THE FUTURE, NOT GOING TO BE, NOT TRYING TO BE, NOT MAYBE, (((BUT RIGHT NOW)))
@gottawachit You are taking everything in a very linear, rigid, literal, mathematical way. You need to understand that I get what you're saying, but am arguing that "which sport is bigger" goes further than the raw numbers being pulled at the precise second that argument is made. It is a more multifaceted debate than simply 2>1. Again: I get your point, you can stop repeating it. Now try and understand mine. It's not about "going to be", it's about the value of that placed in the now.
@FilthySlutCorp I understood your argument on potential, but you argued as tho this "context" was a separate issue... We, well I was talking about which of the two is currently bigger. I was not talking about what will be, may be, is going to be, etc... I'm talking about now and you're talking about the future. Geez, I can not simplify this any longer.
@gottawachit I already have. If you know for certain it is going to bring in more numbers, that makes it a bigger sport. If the current cutting edge markets with the money, vision and ability to make it a worldwide phenomenon have an incline that is more impressive than boxing's decline, it is the bigger deal. Hell if you even look at the nature of the sport itself: mma is boxing+other martial arts.
@FilthySlutCorp If you know for certain it is going to bring in more numbers, that makes it a bigger sport.
"going to bring"... I know it is GOING TO BRING IN MORE NUMBERS, but right now boxing brings in the bigger number. You may not agree with my analytical view/explanation, but all I have pointed out proves boxing is the bigger sport right now. Value doesn't overthrow the boxing's greater fan-base, coverage, practitioners, popularity, acceptance, ppv buys, knowledge, recognition.
@gottawachit Running out of space, but try and see that the term "bigger" as more than simply a headcount of money made, fan views etc. It also encompasses what those numbers mean, not just their face value.
@FilthySlutCorp RIGHT NOW = Boxing fans > MMA fans Boxing coverage > MMA coverage Boxing gyms > MMA gyms Boxing popularity > MMA popularity Boxing acceptance > MMA acceptance Boxing fighters > MMA fighters Boxing ppv buys > MMA ppv buys Boxing knowledge > MMA knowledge Boxing recognition > MMA recognition LATER THAT MAY CHANGE BY FLIP FLOPPING, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW. NOT LATER OR POTENTIAL TO BE.
@gottawachit Bxoing is bigger regionally, however you don't seem to take into account the reason the UFC people buy the huge boxing PPV's, it's tto see the few famous boxers who are left not to see boxing itself. The UFC sells the entire card as part of the package- boxing sells 1 fight.
@gottawachit 1. FIFA and the NFL are in different countries though. You need to put everything in its context. In the countries that matter UFC and MMA blows boxing out of the water, through both interest, significance and entertainment.
2. But you need to consider that the UFC has more events, so their overall ppv buys and viewer-ship again trumps that of boxing.
3. significance wise I was referring in regards to the sport itself: there simply aren't that many important boxing matches anymore
1. OVERALL, I mean OVERALL like I said, "Boxing is liked MORE around the world right now" I'm not talking locally, regionally, or nationally. OVERALL assessment is most fair.
2. Yes but ONE BOXING FIGHT can trump over a whole UFC CARD. That's the point I'm tryin to make.
3. Yes I do AGREE that there aren't that many significant matches in boxing anymore but is still bigger even without star power
@gottawachit 1, going with that logic we should all be speaking Chinese, cause more people speak Chinese than English, despite English being in more countries. U see what I mean about context?
In points 2 and 3 you lost me. When was the last competitive, genuinely exciting boxing fight? A UFC fight card has interest and excitement in the undercard of their shows when boxing has fuck-all in their main event, star power and all that crap aside.
@FilthySlutCorp WHAT THE FUCK??? DO YOU UNDERSTAND ANYTHING???
1. We're talking about which is bigger. Boxing=more known, accepted, practiced, etc than MMA. English=MMA/Chinese=Boxing. More people speak Chinese OVERALL IN THIS WORLD but English is building up.
2. One Boxing Fight > 8 UFC Fights means Boxing is bigger right now!
3. More fans of Boxing than there is MMA.
4. Boxing is on the decline and MMA is on the incline, BUT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, OVERALL, OVERALL, BOXING IS STILL BIGGER!!!
@gottawachit I understand all your points and what you're trying to say. I'm just saying that they are irrelevant, and when discussing something as complex as "which sport is bigger" there are other things that come into play, i.e. context context context. Again: I understand where you're coming from, now try and understand my side. The "Bigger" sport isn't just about the current numbers
@FilthySlutCorp YOU WANNA ELABORATE ON THIS "CONTEXT". It seems as though you're just spitting that word out. "Context" is very vague. What context do you speak of? Elaborate. WHAT'S "there are other things that come into play, i.e. context context context. The "Bigger" sport isn't just about the current numbers." OKAY? So what are you getting at? If numbers don't cut it, then what? You want illogical reasoning involved? It's like you're just saying whatever. Well that's what I got from ur post
funny how he disses other mma promotions but says good things about the UFC who by the way are on ESPN. This guy has no clue what he's talking about. there are plenty of great organisations outside the UFC which are quality.
to be fair, he was asked if the 'UFC is bigger than Boxing' when the real question should have been 'is MMA bigger than Boxing' and even then, the 15 seconds he has to answer, is nowhere near long enough.
The only impression i got from this, is that he is a Boxing fan and rather than being 'anti - UFC/MMA' he's just being defensive of Boxing, which is fair enough.
Read what I said: There are not enough MMA shows in UK COMPARED TO BOXING which puts on hundreds, MMA has not reached that number yet.
As for most mma promotions being rubbish I watched a few bellators, dream and a few bamma fights and imo they nowhere near as good as the UFC. Again just my opinion but you can understand why he thinks the smaller promotions suck, tiny arenas full of boozed up skinheads watching fighters you've never heard of showing no technique whatsoever.
@shocco where exactly are these 'hundreds of shows' ?
UFC is outstanding that doesn't make the rest 'not good' and i doubt you have watched them if you think they're in 'tiny arena' the shows i listed are infront of 5,000+ people every show.
no technique ? dude go to a fucking gym, you have no idea what your talking about, you think the UFC guys just get put in the UFC ? no, they fight on smaller shows first, thus, the smaller shows have many great prospects fighting.
Sure some have technique but thats only the top 5%. Do you think most of the fighters in Bamma make it to the UFC? Hell no most they stay their lives fighting at that level or even smaller promotions. Thats why the majority of fights at smaller shows suck compared to ufc. It's like football the premier league is awesome because thats where the money and talent is the smaller shows might have some decent prospects like the smaller leagues only a few.
@shocco you seriously have no idea what your talking about, many of the worlds best fighters fight outside the UFC for many different reasons, BAMMA recently signed Nate Martquardt, who is the #4 ranked middleweight, infact on the next BAMMA card there are 3 former UFC fighters, a former Bellator fighter and a former Ultimate Fighter cast member.
@shocco 90% of pro MMA fighter are very skilled, at any level, MMA fights are rarely mis-matches like in boxing, which makes for close exciting fights, even on the regional circuit. Unlike boxing where almost every fight on the card is a total mis-match to help pad someones record, why do you think there are so many 20-0 fighters in boxing, because they fight cans for the first half of there career, MMA is not like that, and it's better for it.
And funnily enough I say that, yet UFC are currently back to back with events, relevant ones, no. 1 contender fight was last week with Diaz and Penn, in Birmingham you have Leben looking for another title shot, and next week we get to see Cain fight JDS for the HW title.
UFC puts on stellar events multiple times a month, Since UFC fighters don’t get given cans to pad their records you can guarantee that the majority of fights in an event are relevant, and most importantly, entertaining, whether its between guys climbing the ladder, contender eliminators and so on, next year there will be 34 or so UFC events over a 12 month period. How many truly amazing, RELEVANT boxing events are there in that same time scale?
Someone let this guy know that many children of differnt ages train in mma gyms. Kids train in karate, jit su, n other martial arts, y wouldn't they do mma??
This guy is not far off with his opinion. Hes right that most MMA shows are run down and have no star power and are horribly run/ miss managed with terrible miss matches a dude with a record 6-0 vs 2-5 . hes right most local shows end with a million finishes KOs TKO and the like cause they are miss matched with real prospects vs guys that are just there to fight the prospects
@Acailyn @Acailyn dude, Boxers fight mis-matches for the first 20 fights of their career, how else do you think a guy winds up 20-0 ?, he fights people with a lower skill set. That rarely happens in MMA, Cain Valesquez is the UFC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION after just 9 fights, because he fought and beat the best from his first fight. Even a lot of regional shows put on stellar cards, no disrespect to Buncey but he clearly isn't very interested, or educated on MMA or the worldwide scene.
@dom800 He still had a very stupid view on the sport, there are thousands of kids training in MMA how dare here even attempt to say such an idiotic statement.
I've been a major boxing fan all my life, im starting to watch ufc see because lately boxing has been a let down. Mayweather and Pacquiao may be the fight that can get boxing interest back.
Whats more boring .. guys taking breathers on the floor on top of each other after 3 mins of a 5 round fight .. or guys exchanging combinations for 12 rounds non stop with the exception of 1 min break after each round ? I guess sport is bigger then a brand .. MMA ? what was MMA 20 years ago ? MMA isnt even an art of combat realistically (its just an ideology) Just the way there isnt any Art that involves Soccer,Basket ball and Baseball all together as one..
TheRey4you 2 weeks ago
@TheRey4you Most people new to fighting would prefer watching mma over boxing. Boxing is something that people watch because their dad watched it so they grew up with it. Go look up shogun vs henderson MMA is just a lot more fun to watch in my opinion. Ideology as in a cult? MMA is an art of combat it's just not refined yet cause it's new.
mjordan1998 5 days ago
@Gonzoidzz Lol, people boo because MMA fans easily get restless. We're use to seeing all out wars, punches, kicks, elbows, knees, slams. MMA is where fight fans go when they're tired of boring boxing. In boxing, there are typically entire rounds without anyone getting in a decent tag but the fans never boo because a boring fight is what they expect.
UsurperOfThrones 1 month ago
MMA is more boring, you just need to hear the boos after every other mma card when they don't throw enough punches. People want KO's and action.
Gonzoidzz 3 months ago
Believe if the ufc gets to the level as boxing... it will get corrupt their will be fixed figths and yes it will be all about the money
JOSH7141 3 months ago
@JOSH7141 Dont think so. It would happen already if it was about it. Cain Vs Dos santos. UFC preferred if cain was because he would still be a mexican heavyweight champion and would attract fans in mexico to the ufc/mma. Dos santos won by ko 1 round.
Demoniiiic 2 months ago
Ok mma fellowers seens like u guyz think your sport is bigger then any other... I hear mma fans say is bigger than football,soocer,basketball,baseball,and boxing... Does it really if it is... Plus the peoplethat actually watch the ufc are the age 25 to 13... This explains y u guys think the ufc better then any other sport...
JOSH7141 3 months ago
@JOSH7141 UFC is better than those sports but it's certainly not more popular. In time
mjordan1998 5 days ago
@mjordan1998 Fuck no bro soccer in the world cup gets 1 billion views world wide, so that makes soccer the better sport... UFC can't even pass boxing ratings thats a fact too dont BS UFC can barely even get a million views or not even a million so stfu... American football gets 95 million veiws on the super bowl so stfu
JOSH7141 4 days ago
@JOSH7141 I said it's NOT more popular man are you high haha.
mjordan1998 4 days ago
He is 100% wrong to say there's no 11 year olds in MMA gyms and also wrong to say that MMA doesn't have a culture around it....just because you aren't apart of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Open your eyes
XxSeminolexX 3 months ago
I personally dont care if boxing brings in bigger numbers and money. Money is what killed boxing for me years ago. Whatever fighter brings in the most money will remain on top. Fixed matches, bad matchups, and dodging good fights (pacman and mayweather). Whatever it takes to keep the money coming. Boxing is garbage and i hope mma never gets to that point
mobregonjr 3 months ago
MMA is no where near as big as boxing on a world scale. How can this even be argued?
johnciv6 3 months ago 2
for any mma fan who aint from UK, let me catergorically say that MMA/UFC is no where near boxing in terms of popularity, viewership, attendance and financial figures. that aint an opinion. thats a fact.
martygi 3 months ago
As usual a boxing guy talking nonsense about mma. Please do your research people.
SuperBambaHFC 3 months ago
its not a PPV product in the UK thats why they are only ever going to come once or twice. and there isn't any big boxing fights in the UK anymore
DjMik101 3 months ago
listening to that guy talk is excruciating.
jakovasour 3 months ago
im a mma fan and i agree 100%
if you ever go to local mma events they are the absolute worst organised and run shows but most yall dont know that cos you never go to events and know nothing about mma to try defend it..
you only see the ufc which is a world wide promotion and how they run it like real pros and assume al other shows are the same
mo31293 3 months ago
im a mma fan and i agree 100%
mo31293 3 months ago
Lol, I've seen a lot of great fights outside of the UFC. DREAM, Bellator, Strike Force, and many other organizations that aren't as popular put on fantastic fights. This guy is biased.
XMMAFANX 4 months ago
Lol i know many kids 15 and under who go 2 MMA gyms.. 2 be honest i see more MMA gyms then boxing these days.
Thiagosilva2487 4 months ago
@Thiagosilva2487 there are probably more than 10 if not 100 more boxing gyms in europe than mma gyms,easily,every single town has a boxing gym,its properly organised and the standard of coaching is way better than mma clubs.MMA will never replace boxings popularity because untrained grapplers dont undersatnd or like grappling,everyone understands a punch in the head.Ive boxed for 10 yrs and done combat sports for 26 ,mma for 6 of those.
scarred10 4 months ago
@scarred10 im pretty sure in 10 years boxing will be quiet and MMA will be a reconized top sport.... because while the uneducated fan doesnt appreciate grappling... the mayweathers/pacmans of today are the last stars boxing is gonna get all the young fighters are training MMA and getting into MMA class's just the way i see it... where boxing was 5 years ago and where MMA was 5 years ago is how i see it in 10 years but inversed
Thiagosilva2487 4 months ago
I love how dumb asses talk about something like theyre experts
MarkLKJ 4 months ago
HAHA THIS GUYS A JOKE!!
flex077 4 months ago
@ottawatchit more fans worldwide? Look at the comments dude don't see to many boxing fans bro. There's a reason this videos got 83% dislikes... Dumbass 😔
jizztastics 4 months ago
@jizztastics That's the dumbest shit ever. LOL. You do know that this video is posted on many mma sites. MMA SITES YOU FUCKING DUMBASS. And yes there is more boxing fans than mma fans for the time being. Using the comments section and dislike bar is fucking stupid. 83% dislikes doesn't equal a lot of mma fans.
For example: A popular, very well liked video starts getting bad rates because they decided to put in the stupid youtube songs "let the body hit the floor" or "stereo" something, I forgot.
gottawachit 4 months ago
@jizztastics that was a retarded comment....
Look at "Bernard Hopkins - "The UFC Is Gay Porn"" video, 262 Likes and 127 dislikes. Does that mean that there are more boxing fans then??? There are other factors why the vid is liked or disliked, i.e. preference, video quality, ALL FUCK IT you too stupid to understand. AND IF you're wondering why I'm going crazy right now is because you called me a dumbass first and proceeded with a dumbass comment...
gottawachit 4 months ago
@jizztastics Oh yeah, DON'T BE SCARED HOMIE!!! Deleting the "G" in my username, gottawachit so that it won't send me an email of your reply to my comment. Trying to talk smack while trying not to get noticed. LOL. What a bitch move...
gottawachit 4 months ago
Rollover and die boxing, go where you belong - to the dustbin of history!
stipaaa91 4 months ago
2 good boxing fights worth watching a year
smoothmickey4 4 months ago
300 boxing shows? and how many of them are rubbish?
killthesilence 4 months ago
300 boxing events? where? i haven't heard of any :/ not even in the fucking metro. I guess the boxing community can be as arrogant while they can as there sport is getting swallowed.
mm4junkie 4 months ago
These days, Anybody can shout nonsense on tv without even educating themself, that one guy sits there with an agenda, And that agenda is 'proctect boxing no matter what' its a real shame a ESPN affiliate comes across like this.
tnafan 4 months ago
no 11 year olds training MMA? LOL if you train bjj,karate,taekwondo,kickboxing,wrestling etc then you train mma, what a dumbfuck this guy is
Astrix321 4 months ago
There are only what? 3-5 significant boxing matches a year? Ok maybe round it up to 10. There are that many significant matches in 2 UFC cards, so arguing that boxing is bigger than mma is ludicrous.
FilthySlutCorp 4 months ago
@FilthySlutCorp I love MMA and like Boxing but even I find your comment funny/ridiculous. LOL
It's like saying American Football is more significant than the Olympics because Football has a significant match each year and the Olympics is once each four years.
***Not saying which is bigger, only that your approach is... flawed...
gottawachit 4 months ago
@gottawachit key-word in my argument: significant. I argued that there are more significant mma matches, not more mma matches overall (although that's probably true too). I agree with you that the number of events isn't what makes the sport better, but the number of significant events does. My approach is only flawed in the sense it doesn't spell everything out to you, because, well, youtube has a word count. Also: the Olympics isn't a sport.
FilthySlutCorp 4 months ago
@FilthySlutCorp Okay then. I'll take another approach.
Look at it this way. MMA has "many significant matches", I tend to agree. And boxing has "3-5 significant boxing matches a year". Compare the number of views, coverage, numbers, etc and boxing will come on top. Boxing is liked in a lot of countries. MMA is still penetrating through to new markets. Right now Boxing is bigger.
gottawachit 4 months ago
@gottawachit Bxoing has an established local market, MMA is still a work in progress.
Andsormida01 4 months ago
@gottawachit If hypothetically boxing does get more views overall then you have to consider the argument you have just put through in some of your other posts: if boxing has given all it has to give, is on the decline and mma is up and coming, on the rise etc, does that really make boxing bigger than mma? Numbers may matter, but concrete potential for growth is also important and I would argue makes mma bigger than boxing. It certainly seems to get talked about a lot more than boxing.
FilthySlutCorp 4 months ago
@FilthySlutCorp WHAT I AM SAYIN is that lets say: Boxing (Bigger, for now) is at 80% and going down and MMA (new and up and coming) is at 50% and going up. I NEVER SAID MMA is not going to top boxing or ever will. I'm saying that Boxing, RIGHT NOW, is bigger for the time being, OVERALL. There are more Boxing fans in the world than MMA when compared to eachother and it may flip flop in the years coming. Just because it's declining doesn't mean its smaller, it means it's getting smaller. GOT IT???
gottawachit 4 months ago
@gottawachit I can see the points behind that argument, however I would still argue that the moment you evaluate that something is on the decline and dying and something is up and coming, the latter instantly becomes the more successful, even if the numbers don't reflect that. It might not be success that can be measured by the numbers, but it's the same as dropping a ball: it may have not reached the ground yet, but it will, so it might as well be considered on the ground while mid air
FilthySlutCorp 4 months ago
@FilthySlutCorp "but concrete potential for growth is also important and I would argue makes mma bigger than boxing."
We're talking about "IS" bigger not "GOING TO BE" bigger. Talking more about doesn't necessarily mean that it's bigger.
REMEMBER: Is =/= going to be/could be/will be
gottawachit 4 months ago
@gottawachit well put it to you this way: if you were to invest in either boxing or mma, which would you choose? Does that help you understand my argument now? Being bigger isn't just about the numbers it is pulling now, it's about it's overall potential as well. And that's on a basic level, before we even begin to explore what the numbers being pulled now put in the correct context mean.
FilthySlutCorp 3 months ago
@FilthySlutCorp OH MY LORD!!! LORDY LORDY LORDY!!!
Potential = going to be
Now = is
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT "NOW" and "IS", NOT "POTENTIAL" or "GOING TO BE"
If i invest in Boxing right now I will lose investments in the future, but BOXING IS BIGGER RIGHT NOW even though it's in the decline!!!! NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW
NOT LATER, NOT IN THE FUTURE, NOT GOING TO BE, NOT TRYING TO BE, NOT MAYBE, (((BUT RIGHT NOW)))
gottawachit 3 months ago
@gottawachit You are taking everything in a very linear, rigid, literal, mathematical way. You need to understand that I get what you're saying, but am arguing that "which sport is bigger" goes further than the raw numbers being pulled at the precise second that argument is made. It is a more multifaceted debate than simply 2>1. Again: I get your point, you can stop repeating it. Now try and understand mine. It's not about "going to be", it's about the value of that placed in the now.
FilthySlutCorp 3 months ago
@FilthySlutCorp I understood your argument on potential, but you argued as tho this "context" was a separate issue... We, well I was talking about which of the two is currently bigger. I was not talking about what will be, may be, is going to be, etc... I'm talking about now and you're talking about the future. Geez, I can not simplify this any longer.
gottawachit 3 months ago
@FilthySlutCorp Okay then, explain that value and how that value makes mma bigger
gottawachit 3 months ago
@gottawachit I already have. If you know for certain it is going to bring in more numbers, that makes it a bigger sport. If the current cutting edge markets with the money, vision and ability to make it a worldwide phenomenon have an incline that is more impressive than boxing's decline, it is the bigger deal. Hell if you even look at the nature of the sport itself: mma is boxing+other martial arts.
FilthySlutCorp 3 months ago
@FilthySlutCorp If you know for certain it is going to bring in more numbers, that makes it a bigger sport.
"going to bring"... I know it is GOING TO BRING IN MORE NUMBERS, but right now boxing brings in the bigger number. You may not agree with my analytical view/explanation, but all I have pointed out proves boxing is the bigger sport right now. Value doesn't overthrow the boxing's greater fan-base, coverage, practitioners, popularity, acceptance, ppv buys, knowledge, recognition.
gottawachit 3 months ago
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FilthySlutCorp 3 months ago
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@gottawachit watch this: /watch?v=Jr5uv2d_Q4g
FilthySlutCorp 3 months ago
@FilthySlutCorp That's funny. I saw it this afternoon. LOL. But it still doesn't prove your point.
gottawachit 3 months ago
@gottawachit it doesn't prove it because it was already proven. I was hoping it would explain it to you
FilthySlutCorp 3 months ago
@gottawachit Running out of space, but try and see that the term "bigger" as more than simply a headcount of money made, fan views etc. It also encompasses what those numbers mean, not just their face value.
FilthySlutCorp 3 months ago
gottawachit 3 months ago
@FilthySlutCorp Olympics is a sporting event, close enough. LOL.
1. Look at it this way as well then. FIFA is bigger then the NFL. Here we say NFL is beigger and is... here. Overall in the world FIFA is bigger.
2. UFC has a lot of big events, lets say 250,000 ppv buys but BOXING has fewer events with lets say 1,000,000 ppv buys
3. Signifance also depends on which group they're targeting. To MMA fans, UFC events are way more significant but to non MMA fans, not really...
gottawachit 4 months ago
@gottawachit Bxoing is bigger regionally, however you don't seem to take into account the reason the UFC people buy the huge boxing PPV's, it's tto see the few famous boxers who are left not to see boxing itself. The UFC sells the entire card as part of the package- boxing sells 1 fight.
Andsormida01 4 months ago
@Andsormida01
-Exactly my point, One fight vs One card of fights. Boxing wins.
-Like I said, MMA is still brand new, were you reading at all. "MMA is new/not generally accepted/mainstream popular"
-Right now boxing is bigger. MMA will spread later on in years. Boxing is liked MORE around the world right now... thats all I'm sayin.
gottawachit 4 months ago
@gottawachit 1. FIFA and the NFL are in different countries though. You need to put everything in its context. In the countries that matter UFC and MMA blows boxing out of the water, through both interest, significance and entertainment.
2. But you need to consider that the UFC has more events, so their overall ppv buys and viewer-ship again trumps that of boxing.
3. significance wise I was referring in regards to the sport itself: there simply aren't that many important boxing matches anymore
FilthySlutCorp 4 months ago
@FilthySlutCorp
1. OVERALL, I mean OVERALL like I said, "Boxing is liked MORE around the world right now" I'm not talking locally, regionally, or nationally. OVERALL assessment is most fair.
2. Yes but ONE BOXING FIGHT can trump over a whole UFC CARD. That's the point I'm tryin to make.
3. Yes I do AGREE that there aren't that many significant matches in boxing anymore but is still bigger even without star power
gottawachit 4 months ago
@gottawachit 1, going with that logic we should all be speaking Chinese, cause more people speak Chinese than English, despite English being in more countries. U see what I mean about context?
In points 2 and 3 you lost me. When was the last competitive, genuinely exciting boxing fight? A UFC fight card has interest and excitement in the undercard of their shows when boxing has fuck-all in their main event, star power and all that crap aside.
FilthySlutCorp 4 months ago
@FilthySlutCorp WHAT THE FUCK??? DO YOU UNDERSTAND ANYTHING???
1. We're talking about which is bigger. Boxing=more known, accepted, practiced, etc than MMA. English=MMA/Chinese=Boxing. More people speak Chinese OVERALL IN THIS WORLD but English is building up.
2. One Boxing Fight > 8 UFC Fights means Boxing is bigger right now!
3. More fans of Boxing than there is MMA.
4. Boxing is on the decline and MMA is on the incline, BUT RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, OVERALL, OVERALL, BOXING IS STILL BIGGER!!!
gottawachit 4 months ago
@gottawachit I understand all your points and what you're trying to say. I'm just saying that they are irrelevant, and when discussing something as complex as "which sport is bigger" there are other things that come into play, i.e. context context context. Again: I understand where you're coming from, now try and understand my side. The "Bigger" sport isn't just about the current numbers
FilthySlutCorp 4 months ago
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@FilthySlutCorp YOU WANNA ELABORATE ON THIS "CONTEXT". It seems as though you're just spitting that word out. "Context" is very vague. What context do you speak of? Elaborate. WHAT'S "there are other things that come into play, i.e. context context context. The "Bigger" sport isn't just about the current numbers." OKAY? So what are you getting at? If numbers don't cut it, then what? You want illogical reasoning involved? It's like you're just saying whatever. Well that's what I got from ur post
gottawachit 4 months ago
@FilthySlutCorp I'll simplify just in case.
1. Bob has $800,000 going to be $600,000. Joe has $300,000 going to be $700,000.
RIGHT NOW Bob > Joe
2. I Bob=1mil ppv sales> 8 Joes=200k ppv sales
3. More Bobs everywhere > fewer Joes everywhere If you still cant understand that, then I cant help you out.
gottawachit 4 months ago
MMA >= Boxing
Boxing is a part of MMA.
MMA encompasses and respects all forms of combat sports.
amirjitsu 4 months ago
funny how he disses other mma promotions but says good things about the UFC who by the way are on ESPN. This guy has no clue what he's talking about. there are plenty of great organisations outside the UFC which are quality.
StuartJones3 4 months ago
this guy is an uneducated cunt.
kingvulcan44 4 months ago
to be fair, he was asked if the 'UFC is bigger than Boxing' when the real question should have been 'is MMA bigger than Boxing' and even then, the 15 seconds he has to answer, is nowhere near long enough.
The only impression i got from this, is that he is a Boxing fan and rather than being 'anti - UFC/MMA' he's just being defensive of Boxing, which is fair enough.
B52TheFortress 4 months ago 19
@B52TheFortress stop using your logic and level headness not only is this the internet but YOUTUBE must be greatly offened either way
mazzacanemedia 4 months ago
@B52TheFortress Yeah he's a boxing commentator and the two points he made were:
1. Most MMA promotions are rubbish
2. But the UFC is a fantastic product
3. There are not enough MMA shows in UK compared to Boxing
Which imo he's right on all three. He wasn't hating on MMA at all.
shocco 3 months ago
@shocco There are not enough UK MMA shows ?
BAMMA (which btw is nominated for 'promotion of the year' along side the UFC in the world MMA awards)
Cage Warriors
Cage Rage
I could go on, there are a ton of promotions in the UK.
No disrespect intended, but you obviously don't follow MMA to deeply if you think there aren't many UK MMA promotions..
and to say 'most MMA promotions are rubbish' is the dumbest thing i've ever heard, go watch Bellator, BAMMA, Dream, Titan.. all, stellar products.
B52TheFortress 3 months ago
@B52TheFortress
Read what I said: There are not enough MMA shows in UK COMPARED TO BOXING which puts on hundreds, MMA has not reached that number yet.
As for most mma promotions being rubbish I watched a few bellators, dream and a few bamma fights and imo they nowhere near as good as the UFC. Again just my opinion but you can understand why he thinks the smaller promotions suck, tiny arenas full of boozed up skinheads watching fighters you've never heard of showing no technique whatsoever.
shocco 3 months ago
@shocco where exactly are these 'hundreds of shows' ?
UFC is outstanding that doesn't make the rest 'not good' and i doubt you have watched them if you think they're in 'tiny arena' the shows i listed are infront of 5,000+ people every show.
no technique ? dude go to a fucking gym, you have no idea what your talking about, you think the UFC guys just get put in the UFC ? no, they fight on smaller shows first, thus, the smaller shows have many great prospects fighting.
B52TheFortress 3 months ago
@B52TheFortress
Sure some have technique but thats only the top 5%. Do you think most of the fighters in Bamma make it to the UFC? Hell no most they stay their lives fighting at that level or even smaller promotions. Thats why the majority of fights at smaller shows suck compared to ufc. It's like football the premier league is awesome because thats where the money and talent is the smaller shows might have some decent prospects like the smaller leagues only a few.
shocco 3 months ago
@shocco you seriously have no idea what your talking about, many of the worlds best fighters fight outside the UFC for many different reasons, BAMMA recently signed Nate Martquardt, who is the #4 ranked middleweight, infact on the next BAMMA card there are 3 former UFC fighters, a former Bellator fighter and a former Ultimate Fighter cast member.
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B52TheFortress 3 months ago
@shocco 90% of pro MMA fighter are very skilled, at any level, MMA fights are rarely mis-matches like in boxing, which makes for close exciting fights, even on the regional circuit. Unlike boxing where almost every fight on the card is a total mis-match to help pad someones record, why do you think there are so many 20-0 fighters in boxing, because they fight cans for the first half of there career, MMA is not like that, and it's better for it.
Comparing football to MMA is stupid.
B52TheFortress 3 months ago
The UFC is like the NBA, NFL, NHL...Its the primary mma company. Football and basketball too have smaller shows that are not very great...
eLLriDe420 4 months ago
And funnily enough I say that, yet UFC are currently back to back with events, relevant ones, no. 1 contender fight was last week with Diaz and Penn, in Birmingham you have Leben looking for another title shot, and next week we get to see Cain fight JDS for the HW title.
SolidReflection 4 months ago
UFC puts on stellar events multiple times a month, Since UFC fighters don’t get given cans to pad their records you can guarantee that the majority of fights in an event are relevant, and most importantly, entertaining, whether its between guys climbing the ladder, contender eliminators and so on, next year there will be 34 or so UFC events over a 12 month period. How many truly amazing, RELEVANT boxing events are there in that same time scale?
quality > quantity
SolidReflection 4 months ago
@ ciokoye- that's the same question I was asking. PTI UK. UK ain't on shit. Pick ur mma game up then come try n tell us something.
kingcaja 4 months ago
Someone let this guy know that many children of differnt ages train in mma gyms. Kids train in karate, jit su, n other martial arts, y wouldn't they do mma??
kingcaja 4 months ago
UK PTI??
ciokoye 4 months ago 2
This guy is not far off with his opinion. Hes right that most MMA shows are run down and have no star power and are horribly run/ miss managed with terrible miss matches a dude with a record 6-0 vs 2-5 . hes right most local shows end with a million finishes KOs TKO and the like cause they are miss matched with real prospects vs guys that are just there to fight the prospects
Acailyn 4 months ago
@Acailyn @Acailyn dude, Boxers fight mis-matches for the first 20 fights of their career, how else do you think a guy winds up 20-0 ?, he fights people with a lower skill set. That rarely happens in MMA, Cain Valesquez is the UFC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION after just 9 fights, because he fought and beat the best from his first fight. Even a lot of regional shows put on stellar cards, no disrespect to Buncey but he clearly isn't very interested, or educated on MMA or the worldwide scene.
B52TheFortress 4 months ago
@Acailyn what about boxing at the lower levels - doubt its any different. there are plenty good local UK events which are good
StuartJones3 4 months ago
@Acailyn 1. Depends on the org and media coverage (MMA still viewed negatively)
2. Boxing and MMA has its shares of mismatches as well
3. MMA is a lot more difficult to pair up (6-0 striker-based vs 2-5 grappler-based) Grappler-based will most likely win
4. Smaller orgs' fighters tend to put on a show to get more money and views (brawl)
5. And whole lotta other reasons on certain stuff i dont wanna get into
gottawachit 4 months ago
He wasnt being an idiot, he agreed that UFC product was amazing... Some boxing fans still cant admit it.
dom800 4 months ago
@dom800 He still had a very stupid view on the sport, there are thousands of kids training in MMA how dare here even attempt to say such an idiotic statement.
indio2dr 4 months ago
What the fuck? This guy has absolutely no clue what mma is about. Fuck off you boxing fanboy
MLGCODSTER24 4 months ago
I have two cousins under the age of 11 who train in MMA gyms, every single MMA gym here in Cornwall has kids classes.
TheGadjetz 4 months ago
boxing is bigger than mma fact and this guy say the ufc is greatt, but i bet there will be so much raging in the comments
ChrisAtWar93 4 months ago
Of the "300 boxing events" in the UK he talks about, 200 are barenuckle fights in some warehouse with Pykes.
kronker 4 months ago
This guy's a total cunt
redomegaz 4 months ago
There's no 11 year olds in MMA gyms? They have kids classes at many MMA gyms.
JdashRIDE 4 months ago 35
@JdashRIDE UK is like 10 years back on MMA.
indio2dr 4 months ago
That guy is McIdiot.
indio2dr 4 months ago
i agree with him about the kids being in the gyms
HypeGGbelgian 4 months ago
@HypeGGbelgian Why exactly? the gym where I go to have over 40 kids training MMA?
And ive been to other gyms where the kids classes have been backed?
And thats in Northern Ireland, its not like we're famous or even... heard of ... for mma.
jaywray1 4 months ago
@HypeGGbelgian
MMA is new/not generally accepted/mainstream popular, but they have gyms for kids in MMA.....
gottawachit 4 months ago
I've been a major boxing fan all my life, im starting to watch ufc see because lately boxing has been a let down. Mayweather and Pacquiao may be the fight that can get boxing interest back.
yomofo890 4 months ago