Fantastic video for a very fine, often underrated movie. Thank you. As to Lincoln, one of the best thing our government could do to still heal this war's wounds would be to eliminate Lincoln's birthday as a federal holiday. As a northerner, even I can't defend what Lincoln historians today admit he allowed union troups to do in the South. Raping women, lashing them, killing women and children; it's still indefensible. He didn't care about slaves, only the union staying together.
I'm English and don't know much about your civil war but it seems odd that there were a significant number of non white or native troops(as in black, chinesse or mexican) in the Rebel army? is this true? or propaganda? I do know that lots of us Brits wanted to break up the Union by backing the Confederates, we were worried about a new world power to have to compete with.
@tomashize missouri,kansas,texas,arkansas were on the outer edges of civilization. oklahoma was indian territory (no state hood). the fed government was pushing to resettle all indians into oklahoma. so theres the motivation to often side with the south. the other states mentioned, are where most brown people flocked to, trying to carve out a life away from the big city racism back east. skin color didnt mean much out on the perimeter where life was rough and unstable. hope this helps. cheers
LINCOLN WAS A MURDERER BASTARD OF OUR SOUTHERN PEOPLE. HE HATED THE SOUTH. THE MAJORITY OF THE SOUTHERN PEOPLE HAD NO SLAVES. WOMEN AND CHILDREN WERE KILLED BY LINCOLN AND HIS BASTARDS OF HATE, GRANT SHERMAN. THE TRUTH OF WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IS OUT THERE IF YOU WILL LOOK FOR IT. LONG LIVE THE SOUTH, AND ITS TRUE HERITAGE.
ummmm Ft Sumter is in SC ... we didnt invade anything , it was our home not theirs ... Proud that my family were "traitors" who were great grandsons of other traitors who fought the English for your right to free speech ... and served in every american war from 1776 to Nam ... yep damn proud to be a "tratior" from a long line of "tratiors" ... better than being a damn yankee Deo Vindice
@porterbehling And it is exactly that kind of ignorant and stupid attitude that makes people wish to secede from those in the North who betray such cultural arrogance. Secession from controlling government was what built your nation in the first place in your hard fought war of independence.
@WodenUberAlles And it is your kind of ignorance, stupidity, and lack of knowledge that makes me happy that you don't live in America.
Now, you are from the United Kingdom, so you would have a lot in common with the south. Remember how your empire enslaved all of Africa, India, Australia, etc.
We fought for freedom against the British because they were over powering, cruel, taxed the hell out of us, and we wanted freedom.
No nation did more to fight against slavery than Britain once it got it's act together, including the white slave markets of Arabia. Part of the American war of independence was centred around the colonists wish of their "freedom" to keep slaves. As for your trolling insults, they are totally baseless and centred on your own ignorant assumptions and chauvanistic bigotry. I'm through throwing pearls at swine.
@WodenUberAlles lol, I love how your trying to make Great Britain look good, when it was nothing but a souless country.
Your telling me Britain did more? BULLSHIT!
your entire comment was only that of insulting me with words that don't represent me at all. lol, it seems like you just threw in as much hate as you could.
If you look at History you would know that Great Britain was a terrible Empire, and I just thank God that the British Empire is no more.
@porterbehling You are wrong. Lincoln wanted to exploit the South the same way the Britsh empire exploited the colonists. Lincoln favored a national bank, protectionist tariffs, and corporate welfare. Because the South’s economy was mostly agrarian, high tariffs benefited Northern industries while burdening Southerners with the lion’s share of the cost of government.
@porterbehling Less than one-fourth of Southern adults owned slaves. The average Southerner was a yeoman farmer or merchant with no special interest in slavery. Wealthy plantation owners were the most reluctant secessionists. In 1864, President Jefferson Davis approved a plan for emancipation in return for the official recognition of the Confederacy by Britain and France. If the South was fighting mainly for “slavery,” why were they willing to free the slaves in order to win the war?
@porterbehling its funny how if you do your research Lincoln was going to free them then ship them over to south america because he didnt want them in America and also the emancipation proclamation didnt free ANY slaves.
@SouthernHeritage1865 once again your ignorance knows no bounds. Lincoln wasn't going to ship them to South America, I have no idea where you got that idea. I have studied history, and NO where did they EVER say he was sending them to South America, dipshit.
when he ordered the proclamation, we were still fighting you hicks. So of course it didn't free slaves in your barbaric south. But after the war it did, and it was the first step to a free world. Something your against!
@SouthernHeritage1865 not to mention, that if you think this Video is anything but brainless propaganda of a lost traitor nation, then you are a retard.
And so is the creator of this film, they know NOTHING of the real civil war or what really happened.
These men grew up in hell, and lost everything they loved before they were even old enough to understand what was going on. These men are braver men than you and I will ever be. Show some damn respect.
The definition of a state, according to Merriam-Webster, is: a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite territory. They may have been traitors to the Federal government, but not to their state---just like our founding fathers in the American Revolution.
"Our state was invaded by the Union forces..the governor, Calib Jackson, issued his proclamation calling out fifty thousand militia to repel the invader." - Mark Twain. Whose the traitor?
@RomanticizedCowboy yup, Mark Twain was a traitor if he fought for the Confederacy. This thing isn't a discussion, it's fact. UNION= America CONFEDERACY= TRAITORS
simple as that... Mark Twain is no exception.
Oh, and it was the Confederates that started the war. By invading Fort Sumter, they began the Civil War. They invaded Federal ground.
U.S. Public Law 85-425: Sec. 410 Approved 23 May 1958 gave all Confederate veterans the same benefits and status of US veterans. Although there were only a few still alive, it was meant to make all Confederate veterans American veterans. Learn to forgive, and stop calling American veterans traitors.
@RomanticizedCowboy well, to me they will always be racist traitors, and they will never be as good as American veterans in my eyes. But hey, that's just my opinion
Firing on a federal fort isn't exactly peaceful is it? It was about slavery,its a complete lie to say it was "States rights " or my favorite lie,the one used by the secession ball "southern taxes being used to build northern industry"
So...even if it was over slavery, who the hell cares? It was almost 150 years ago---slavery was still common. If I wear a powered wig today, they might look at me funny, but 200 years ago, it was what everyone wore. You can't compare today's morals to morals of the past. That's why it's called the past.
@markmason1000 The best place to look for why people were fighting in the ACW is the letters of the people involved themselves. Pretty much all of those of the Confederacy speak of fighting for their freedom and defending their homes and hearths from Northern aggression. You will not find many (if any at all) writing of shoring up the slave holders.
Furthermore if you look at the letters of the Federalists you will only find a very few speaking of freeing slaves the vast majority fought either as their patriotic duty or because they were German or Irish immigrants enlisted into the Federal army as soon as they stepped off the boat to America.
Of the South's white population of five million, only 48000 were identified as planters, that is, men owning more than twenty slaves. Only 3000 owned more than a hundred slaves, only 11 more than five hundred. The vast majority of the Southern fighters were not slave owners and many of the battles were fought on territory which did not own a large slave owning class and many of the Southerners even resented the slave owning class.
@WodenUberAlles the Southerners that resented the slave owning class were the ones that fought against the Confederacy (people from Western Maryland and Virginia, Eastern Tennessee, and Northern Georgia)
@markmason1000 I don't think that the evidence backs that up at all Mark. Southerners did not join the Federalists in any great numbers at all. Certainly plenty of them deserted towards the end of the war, in the Western theatre in particular, but this was more a case that they wanted to get back to defend their homes and womenfolk from Sherman and others brutal war against civilians and also the futile butchery of their brigades in a senseless war of attrition but incompetent generals like Hood
@WodenUberAlles Look up the Convention of Wheeling and The state of Nickajack and the German Militias in Missouri, Tennessee actually gave 56 white volunteer units to the Union Army,thats more than the combined volunteers from states of Connecticut and California combined, Arkansas gave 17, and Texas gave 4, all cavalry. When the Army entered Knoxville they were actually welcomed as liberators and the same for MaClellan in western Virginia
@markmason1000 I'm not disputing that Southerners fought for the North or that Northerners fought for the South either for that matter. I can't see much significance in an Army being welcomed as liberators (Federalists weren't welcomed as liberators in Atlanta or New Orleans although I'm sure they'll have got the blacks out in big numbers before shipping them off to some squatter camp to rot.
@markmason1000 Any invading army will get welcomed as liberators by the conformist portions of their population. It is a basic human survival mechanism to get in with the New Lords. My point is that you initial comment about the ACW being totally about slavery is false given the motivations of the actual soldiers on the ground. Northerners felt themselves to be patriotically putting down a insurrection, Southerners fighting for their states and homes.
@WodenUberAlles Mcellan was an incompetent idiot who put his own ego before serving the Country,Congress and the President. Conformist portions of their population? You realize who your talking about? Eastern Tennessee and North Western Virginia we're filled to the brim with farmers and mountain men. If it's not about slavery what other reason would the South have to leave the Union?
@markmason1000 An agrarian economic society of "farmers and mountain men" trying to break free from an industrialised urban "free market" economy with increasingly centralised federal government control.
@WodenUberAlles their society had nothing to do with the civil war, the West was just as agrarian as the South and they didn't try to dissolve the Union, It doesn't seem like most Southern states had any problem's with "increasingly centralized federal government control" before the war, The only things different in politics between the 1860's and the 1840's was now an anti-slavery party had a anti-slavery candidate voted into office and the wealthy power holding planters didn't like that
If you go back to the motivations for an individual fighting for the Confederacy- letters, diaries, etc- they inevitably talk of fighting for their homes, families, culture, against centralised Northern power, etc no upholding slavery, plenty of the poor whites fighting for the CSA hated the planters anyway. And on the other side of the coin very, very few Northerners spoke of fighting to free slaves- they were fighting in their mind as their "patriotic duty" to uphold the Union.
Furthermore had you told the Federalist soldiers that the War Between States was about freeing blacks most of them- bar a few of what were then considered extremist abolitionists and radicals- would undoubtably have downed tools and refused to fight.
@WodenUberAlles "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery -- the greatest material interest of the world,Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of the commerce of the earth. . . . A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization." That's from Mississippi's actual declaration of secession, does that sound like a freedom loving government to you?
@markmason1000 here's Georgia's declaration of secession
For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slaveholding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property
She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy
@markmason1000 continued They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.
That's all well and good but that does not mean that the North fought to free slaves. They fought to uphold the Union. Look at the letters, diaries, correspondence of the people who fought in the war to get a true picture of the motivations of those who fought rather than the revisionists who came afterwards and reinvented what the war was about often viewing it through modernist interpretation.
Lincoln's emancipation proclaimation was far more motivated by politicial measures to prevent European recognition of the Confederacy. Remember at the time that Britain & US had very nearly gone to war over the Trent affair and there were concerns the Feds would invade Canada. By making the ACW about slavery no European power could ever back the South and they were deserted. Lincoln even admitted as much.
"I cannot imagine that any Euro power would dare to recognise & aid the CSA if it became clear that the Confederacy stands for slavery & the Union for freedom."- Lincoln. As you mention McClellan hear are some of his thoughts on the emanicpation proc-"how you... regard the recent Proc... inaugurating servile war, emancipating the slaves & at one stroke of the pen changing our free institutions into a despotism- for such i regard the natural effect of the proclaimation."
@2manynegativewaves Lousy comparison. The Taliban ruled A-stan at one point and behaved like the Nazis. They also follow a fascist ideology which poses as religion. The farmers are not in charge of anything, they're cannon fodder for the imams, "clerics" and warlords. You want to compare the Taliban and AQ with someone? Try the Nazis.
@PaulMichaelHoffman Yeah, let's say someone attacks your house. Hangs your father because he's a "sympathiser" and then locks up your sisters without trial or warrant. If that would happen to my family... that's when the gloves come off.
So,what do all you guys think of the Taliban then? Farmers,with an aversion to centralised government,defending their homelands from an Invading army by using hit and run tactics and terror raids? ..BTW,great video and thanks for the info,fascinating stuff. Im from Robin Hood country,I get it.
So,what do all you guys think of the Taliban then? Farmers,with an aversion to centralised government,defending their homelands from an Invading army by using hit and run tactics and terror raids?
Born and raised in Clay County MO, they dont even teach this history in our schools, I had to learn it from all the old timer county boys and the internet. The schools teach that missouri was neutral in the cival war????? Nothing could be further from the truth IMO.
My Great Great Grandfather was a bushwhacker out of Cass County, Missouri. He rode with Quantril at times and other times with independent bands. Towards the end of the war he Joined the Missouri 3rd Cavalry, CSA. He was like most Missourians in that he did not want to take sides. But Lincoln ordered Missouri invaded. One day Union soldiers stole 40 of his mules, so he joined the Confederacy. Missouri's elected government seceded a couple months later, 31 Oct 1861
This was an absolutely wonderful video. One think I must point out though is Jesse James did not ride with Quantrill he rode with Bloody Bill. His brother Frank rode with Quantrill. It's a common misconception.
@dcharles63 When South Carolina no longer considered themselves a part of the Union and recognized the United States as a foreign power didn't they have the right to demand the removal of all military forces from that power from their territory? I mean its not like we let the British keep their forts after we seceded from their empire.
Great vid. Clips from pehaps one of the best films ever made about this sad period. T.J. Stile's book about Jesse James is very good have you read it?
Thanks for watching my video. Just to clarify: the biographical information about the Bushwhackers is all legit, but the characters in the movie are loosely based on real Buswhackers. For example, in real life, John Noland was a free black, as I describe. But in the movie, the black dude is a slave named Holt.
What fact do you think are wrong? I have a MA in History and lived in Missouri for many years and the fact are very accurate. As with all movies their is some embellishment but exactly what fact do you think they got wrong?
I have just received the movie to watch for the first time, hence "Seems" or "let's see if this movie holds true". Sorry if my comment isn't clearly written. I will judge this film when I see it soon.
When the time comes for the break-away states to pull away from this corrupt union, the "Bushwackers" will be a pretty good model for a hit-and-run militia unit to emulate --albeit with modern weapons.
Sorry, but you gotta do what you gotta do. How many Japanese did we kill in order to end WWII? It has to be done sometimes to end the pain of war.
wvu3 2 weeks ago
Long live the south YEEEEHAAAAWWWWWWW :D
2Theepicguy 1 month ago
@DramaQueen1776
what is the movie called
dawaffleman1 1 month ago
@dawaffleman1 Ride with the Devil. Criterion has released a long version, with added footage of Quantrill's rade on Lawrence, KS.
Tamsyn12003 1 month ago
@dawaffleman1 Sorry about my spelling. "Raid", not "rade".
Tamsyn12003 1 month ago
Fantastic video for a very fine, often underrated movie. Thank you. As to Lincoln, one of the best thing our government could do to still heal this war's wounds would be to eliminate Lincoln's birthday as a federal holiday. As a northerner, even I can't defend what Lincoln historians today admit he allowed union troups to do in the South. Raping women, lashing them, killing women and children; it's still indefensible. He didn't care about slaves, only the union staying together.
Tamsyn12003 1 month ago
I'm English and don't know much about your civil war but it seems odd that there were a significant number of non white or native troops(as in black, chinesse or mexican) in the Rebel army? is this true? or propaganda? I do know that lots of us Brits wanted to break up the Union by backing the Confederates, we were worried about a new world power to have to compete with.
tomashize 2 months ago
@tomashize missouri,kansas,texas,arkansas were on the outer edges of civilization. oklahoma was indian territory (no state hood). the fed government was pushing to resettle all indians into oklahoma. so theres the motivation to often side with the south. the other states mentioned, are where most brown people flocked to, trying to carve out a life away from the big city racism back east. skin color didnt mean much out on the perimeter where life was rough and unstable. hope this helps. cheers
Tarten46 1 month ago
LINCOLN WAS A MURDERER BASTARD OF OUR SOUTHERN PEOPLE. HE HATED THE SOUTH. THE MAJORITY OF THE SOUTHERN PEOPLE HAD NO SLAVES. WOMEN AND CHILDREN WERE KILLED BY LINCOLN AND HIS BASTARDS OF HATE, GRANT SHERMAN. THE TRUTH OF WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IS OUT THERE IF YOU WILL LOOK FOR IT. LONG LIVE THE SOUTH, AND ITS TRUE HERITAGE.
doversniper 3 months ago in playlist Dixie
3:11 Best seen ever, invisible black man (no racism) grabs a gun and just pounds through the wall
CSAmerican 3 months ago
Bushwackers like bloody Bill Anderson are just a murdering pieces of shit who killed and munilated innocent civilians theres nothing good about them.
Pwnasaurus1 3 months ago
@Pwnasaurus1
No better than the Jayhawkers. It's war dammit; it not sunshine and rainbows.
LukeWapelhorst 3 months ago
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Long live the Bushwhackers! They rise again in my soul.....stirring in the wind......restless, ready to avenge!
UFOsaucer1 7 months ago
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UFOsaucer1 7 months ago
I think I'm gonna bushwhack those 2 dislikes
jimmylink0990 7 months ago
@jimmylink0990 ha ha hell ya
cowboyfromky 6 months ago
ummmm Ft Sumter is in SC ... we didnt invade anything , it was our home not theirs ... Proud that my family were "traitors" who were great grandsons of other traitors who fought the English for your right to free speech ... and served in every american war from 1776 to Nam ... yep damn proud to be a "tratior" from a long line of "tratiors" ... better than being a damn yankee Deo Vindice
beaupurdom13 7 months ago
read the book The Real Lincoln by Thomas DiLorenzo
TNSONSOFLIBERTY 7 months ago
The south were nothing but racist, cruel, incompetent, ungrateful, and traitors to America.
Anyone who tells you otherwise are fucking morons, and anyone who agrees with the south are traitors to America.
God Bless the U.S.A, and God Bless the North.
porterbehling 8 months ago
@porterbehling And it is exactly that kind of ignorant and stupid attitude that makes people wish to secede from those in the North who betray such cultural arrogance. Secession from controlling government was what built your nation in the first place in your hard fought war of independence.
WodenUberAlles 8 months ago
@WodenUberAlles And it is your kind of ignorance, stupidity, and lack of knowledge that makes me happy that you don't live in America.
Now, you are from the United Kingdom, so you would have a lot in common with the south. Remember how your empire enslaved all of Africa, India, Australia, etc.
We fought for freedom against the British because they were over powering, cruel, taxed the hell out of us, and we wanted freedom.
Non of this happened to the south.
porterbehling 8 months ago
No nation did more to fight against slavery than Britain once it got it's act together, including the white slave markets of Arabia. Part of the American war of independence was centred around the colonists wish of their "freedom" to keep slaves. As for your trolling insults, they are totally baseless and centred on your own ignorant assumptions and chauvanistic bigotry. I'm through throwing pearls at swine.
WodenUberAlles 8 months ago
@WodenUberAlles lol, I love how your trying to make Great Britain look good, when it was nothing but a souless country.
Your telling me Britain did more? BULLSHIT!
your entire comment was only that of insulting me with words that don't represent me at all. lol, it seems like you just threw in as much hate as you could.
If you look at History you would know that Great Britain was a terrible Empire, and I just thank God that the British Empire is no more.
porterbehling 8 months ago
@porterbehling You are wrong. Lincoln wanted to exploit the South the same way the Britsh empire exploited the colonists. Lincoln favored a national bank, protectionist tariffs, and corporate welfare. Because the South’s economy was mostly agrarian, high tariffs benefited Northern industries while burdening Southerners with the lion’s share of the cost of government.
DramaQueen1776 6 months ago
@WodenUberAlles They were worried that they wouldn't have enough slaves to tend to the crops.
You supporting the South not only makes you a complete inhumane asshole, but a racist bigot as well... congratulations, you must be sooo proud.
porterbehling 8 months ago
@porterbehling Less than one-fourth of Southern adults owned slaves. The average Southerner was a yeoman farmer or merchant with no special interest in slavery. Wealthy plantation owners were the most reluctant secessionists. In 1864, President Jefferson Davis approved a plan for emancipation in return for the official recognition of the Confederacy by Britain and France. If the South was fighting mainly for “slavery,” why were they willing to free the slaves in order to win the war?
DramaQueen1776 6 months ago
@porterbehling lol your a yankee idiot the South aint racists the north had slaves, doesnt that make you racist then??
SouthernHeritage1865 8 months ago
@SouthernHeritage1865 your right, the north was soooo racist, that's why we abolished slavery... cause we loved slaves... dipshit
porterbehling 8 months ago
@porterbehling its funny how if you do your research Lincoln was going to free them then ship them over to south america because he didnt want them in America and also the emancipation proclamation didnt free ANY slaves.
SouthernHeritage1865 8 months ago
@SouthernHeritage1865 once again your ignorance knows no bounds. Lincoln wasn't going to ship them to South America, I have no idea where you got that idea. I have studied history, and NO where did they EVER say he was sending them to South America, dipshit.
when he ordered the proclamation, we were still fighting you hicks. So of course it didn't free slaves in your barbaric south. But after the war it did, and it was the first step to a free world. Something your against!
porterbehling 8 months ago
@SouthernHeritage1865 not to mention, that if you think this Video is anything but brainless propaganda of a lost traitor nation, then you are a retard.
And so is the creator of this film, they know NOTHING of the real civil war or what really happened.
porterbehling 8 months ago
@porterbehling
These men grew up in hell, and lost everything they loved before they were even old enough to understand what was going on. These men are braver men than you and I will ever be. Show some damn respect.
RomanticizedCowboy 8 months ago 2
@RomanticizedCowboy show respect to traitors who killed American soldiers? NEVER
porterbehling 7 months ago
@porterbehling
The definition of a state, according to Merriam-Webster, is: a politically organized body of people usually occupying a definite territory. They may have been traitors to the Federal government, but not to their state---just like our founding fathers in the American Revolution.
"Our state was invaded by the Union forces..the governor, Calib Jackson, issued his proclamation calling out fifty thousand militia to repel the invader." - Mark Twain. Whose the traitor?
RomanticizedCowboy 7 months ago
@porterbehling
By the way, Mark Twain was also a traitor according to you. He fought against the Union.
RomanticizedCowboy 7 months ago
@RomanticizedCowboy yup, Mark Twain was a traitor if he fought for the Confederacy. This thing isn't a discussion, it's fact. UNION= America CONFEDERACY= TRAITORS
simple as that... Mark Twain is no exception.
Oh, and it was the Confederates that started the war. By invading Fort Sumter, they began the Civil War. They invaded Federal ground.
porterbehling 7 months ago
@porterbehling
U.S. Public Law 85-425: Sec. 410 Approved 23 May 1958 gave all Confederate veterans the same benefits and status of US veterans. Although there were only a few still alive, it was meant to make all Confederate veterans American veterans. Learn to forgive, and stop calling American veterans traitors.
RomanticizedCowboy 7 months ago
@RomanticizedCowboy well, to me they will always be racist traitors, and they will never be as good as American veterans in my eyes. But hey, that's just my opinion
porterbehling 7 months ago
Firing on a federal fort isn't exactly peaceful is it? It was about slavery,its a complete lie to say it was "States rights " or my favorite lie,the one used by the secession ball "southern taxes being used to build northern industry"
markmason1000 11 months ago
@markmason1000
So...even if it was over slavery, who the hell cares? It was almost 150 years ago---slavery was still common. If I wear a powered wig today, they might look at me funny, but 200 years ago, it was what everyone wore. You can't compare today's morals to morals of the past. That's why it's called the past.
OleSouthernGentleman 11 months ago
@markmason1000 The best place to look for why people were fighting in the ACW is the letters of the people involved themselves. Pretty much all of those of the Confederacy speak of fighting for their freedom and defending their homes and hearths from Northern aggression. You will not find many (if any at all) writing of shoring up the slave holders.
WodenUberAlles 9 months ago
Furthermore if you look at the letters of the Federalists you will only find a very few speaking of freeing slaves the vast majority fought either as their patriotic duty or because they were German or Irish immigrants enlisted into the Federal army as soon as they stepped off the boat to America.
WodenUberAlles 9 months ago
Of the South's white population of five million, only 48000 were identified as planters, that is, men owning more than twenty slaves. Only 3000 owned more than a hundred slaves, only 11 more than five hundred. The vast majority of the Southern fighters were not slave owners and many of the battles were fought on territory which did not own a large slave owning class and many of the Southerners even resented the slave owning class.
WodenUberAlles 9 months ago
@WodenUberAlles the Southerners that resented the slave owning class were the ones that fought against the Confederacy (people from Western Maryland and Virginia, Eastern Tennessee, and Northern Georgia)
markmason1000 9 months ago
@markmason1000 I don't think that the evidence backs that up at all Mark. Southerners did not join the Federalists in any great numbers at all. Certainly plenty of them deserted towards the end of the war, in the Western theatre in particular, but this was more a case that they wanted to get back to defend their homes and womenfolk from Sherman and others brutal war against civilians and also the futile butchery of their brigades in a senseless war of attrition but incompetent generals like Hood
WodenUberAlles 9 months ago
@WodenUberAlles Look up the Convention of Wheeling and The state of Nickajack and the German Militias in Missouri, Tennessee actually gave 56 white volunteer units to the Union Army,thats more than the combined volunteers from states of Connecticut and California combined, Arkansas gave 17, and Texas gave 4, all cavalry. When the Army entered Knoxville they were actually welcomed as liberators and the same for MaClellan in western Virginia
markmason1000 9 months ago
@markmason1000 I'm not disputing that Southerners fought for the North or that Northerners fought for the South either for that matter. I can't see much significance in an Army being welcomed as liberators (Federalists weren't welcomed as liberators in Atlanta or New Orleans although I'm sure they'll have got the blacks out in big numbers before shipping them off to some squatter camp to rot.
WodenUberAlles 9 months ago
@markmason1000 Any invading army will get welcomed as liberators by the conformist portions of their population. It is a basic human survival mechanism to get in with the New Lords. My point is that you initial comment about the ACW being totally about slavery is false given the motivations of the actual soldiers on the ground. Northerners felt themselves to be patriotically putting down a insurrection, Southerners fighting for their states and homes.
WodenUberAlles 9 months ago
@WodenUberAlles Mcellan was an incompetent idiot who put his own ego before serving the Country,Congress and the President. Conformist portions of their population? You realize who your talking about? Eastern Tennessee and North Western Virginia we're filled to the brim with farmers and mountain men. If it's not about slavery what other reason would the South have to leave the Union?
markmason1000 8 months ago
@markmason1000 An agrarian economic society of "farmers and mountain men" trying to break free from an industrialised urban "free market" economy with increasingly centralised federal government control.
WodenUberAlles 8 months ago
@WodenUberAlles their society had nothing to do with the civil war, the West was just as agrarian as the South and they didn't try to dissolve the Union, It doesn't seem like most Southern states had any problem's with "increasingly centralized federal government control" before the war, The only things different in politics between the 1860's and the 1840's was now an anti-slavery party had a anti-slavery candidate voted into office and the wealthy power holding planters didn't like that
markmason1000 8 months ago
If you go back to the motivations for an individual fighting for the Confederacy- letters, diaries, etc- they inevitably talk of fighting for their homes, families, culture, against centralised Northern power, etc no upholding slavery, plenty of the poor whites fighting for the CSA hated the planters anyway. And on the other side of the coin very, very few Northerners spoke of fighting to free slaves- they were fighting in their mind as their "patriotic duty" to uphold the Union.
WodenUberAlles 8 months ago
Furthermore had you told the Federalist soldiers that the War Between States was about freeing blacks most of them- bar a few of what were then considered extremist abolitionists and radicals- would undoubtably have downed tools and refused to fight.
WodenUberAlles 8 months ago
@WodenUberAlles "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery -- the greatest material interest of the world,Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of the commerce of the earth. . . . A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization." That's from Mississippi's actual declaration of secession, does that sound like a freedom loving government to you?
markmason1000 8 months ago
@markmason1000 here's Georgia's declaration of secession
For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slaveholding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property
markmason1000 8 months ago
@markmason1000 Here's Texas
She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy
markmason1000 8 months ago
@markmason1000 continued They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.
markmason1000 8 months ago
That's all well and good but that does not mean that the North fought to free slaves. They fought to uphold the Union. Look at the letters, diaries, correspondence of the people who fought in the war to get a true picture of the motivations of those who fought rather than the revisionists who came afterwards and reinvented what the war was about often viewing it through modernist interpretation.
WodenUberAlles 8 months ago
Lincoln's emancipation proclaimation was far more motivated by politicial measures to prevent European recognition of the Confederacy. Remember at the time that Britain & US had very nearly gone to war over the Trent affair and there were concerns the Feds would invade Canada. By making the ACW about slavery no European power could ever back the South and they were deserted. Lincoln even admitted as much.
WodenUberAlles 9 months ago
"I cannot imagine that any Euro power would dare to recognise & aid the CSA if it became clear that the Confederacy stands for slavery & the Union for freedom."- Lincoln. As you mention McClellan hear are some of his thoughts on the emanicpation proc-"how you... regard the recent Proc... inaugurating servile war, emancipating the slaves & at one stroke of the pen changing our free institutions into a despotism- for such i regard the natural effect of the proclaimation."
WodenUberAlles 9 months ago
How can southerners still be harping about the Civil War...
MrFrost1980 11 months ago
@2manynegativewaves Lousy comparison. The Taliban ruled A-stan at one point and behaved like the Nazis. They also follow a fascist ideology which poses as religion. The farmers are not in charge of anything, they're cannon fodder for the imams, "clerics" and warlords. You want to compare the Taliban and AQ with someone? Try the Nazis.
higuma75 11 months ago
Curious, the amount of black troops in the South seems to have been "forgotten" to be mentioned in a lot of literature about the Civil War.
higuma75 11 months ago
Murders, good thing everyone of them got what was coming to them in the end.
PaulMichaelHoffman 1 year ago
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And that is where you are wrong. Many of them just formed criminal gangs after the war was over.
Jonnyreb1988 1 year ago
@PaulMichaelHoffman Yeah, let's say someone attacks your house. Hangs your father because he's a "sympathiser" and then locks up your sisters without trial or warrant. If that would happen to my family... that's when the gloves come off.
higuma75 11 months ago
So,what do all you guys think of the Taliban then? Farmers,with an aversion to centralised government,defending their homelands from an Invading army by using hit and run tactics and terror raids? ..BTW,great video and thanks for the info,fascinating stuff. Im from Robin Hood country,I get it.
2manynegativewaves 1 year ago
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higuma75 11 months ago
So,what do all you guys think of the Taliban then? Farmers,with an aversion to centralised government,defending their homelands from an Invading army by using hit and run tactics and terror raids?
2manynegativewaves 1 year ago
Born and raised in Clay County MO, they dont even teach this history in our schools, I had to learn it from all the old timer county boys and the internet. The schools teach that missouri was neutral in the cival war????? Nothing could be further from the truth IMO.
MissouriGuerrilla 1 year ago 2
My Great Great Grandfather was a bushwhacker out of Cass County, Missouri. He rode with Quantril at times and other times with independent bands. Towards the end of the war he Joined the Missouri 3rd Cavalry, CSA. He was like most Missourians in that he did not want to take sides. But Lincoln ordered Missouri invaded. One day Union soldiers stole 40 of his mules, so he joined the Confederacy. Missouri's elected government seceded a couple months later, 31 Oct 1861
steve0448 1 year ago
This was an absolutely wonderful video. One think I must point out though is Jesse James did not ride with Quantrill he rode with Bloody Bill. His brother Frank rode with Quantrill. It's a common misconception.
LegallyMoi 1 year ago
Fort Sumter had nothing to do with the south's "Peaceful secession" then? If the facts don't fit, then change them right?
dcharles63 1 year ago
@dcharles63 When South Carolina no longer considered themselves a part of the Union and recognized the United States as a foreign power didn't they have the right to demand the removal of all military forces from that power from their territory? I mean its not like we let the British keep their forts after we seceded from their empire.
jddrafts 1 year ago
Very good video! Well made and although I don't care for Bon Jovi, this song fits.
ConfederateGypsy 1 year ago
Great vid. Clips from pehaps one of the best films ever made about this sad period. T.J. Stile's book about Jesse James is very good have you read it?
BradBrassman 1 year ago
Awsome and made with clips from one if not the best Civil War movie ever made. Great song, great info, great everything! Just awsome!
LegallyMoi 2 years ago
Thanks for watching my video. Just to clarify: the biographical information about the Bushwhackers is all legit, but the characters in the movie are loosely based on real Buswhackers. For example, in real life, John Noland was a free black, as I describe. But in the movie, the black dude is a slave named Holt.
DramaQueen1776 2 years ago
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@DramaQueen1776 You should be ashamed of yourself you damn traitor.
porterbehling 8 months ago
it's an excellent movie I highly reccomend
Chestero88 2 years ago
Benn to Lawrence a few times. I checked the phone book and needless to say, aren't any Quantrills listed.
Our only hope now is to step away from the criminal Federal government.
odanak100 2 years ago
Seems like it might be a good movie. Not many historical facts are accurately told. Let's see if this movie holds true.
tokarewich 2 years ago
What fact do you think are wrong? I have a MA in History and lived in Missouri for many years and the fact are very accurate. As with all movies their is some embellishment but exactly what fact do you think they got wrong?
JesusFishMinistries 2 years ago
I have just received the movie to watch for the first time, hence "Seems" or "let's see if this movie holds true". Sorry if my comment isn't clearly written. I will judge this film when I see it soon.
tokarewich 2 years ago
There were embellishments that is for sure. Artistic licensing was used. But the events themselves as well as the attitudes displayed were spot on.
JesusFishMinistries 2 years ago
When the time comes for the break-away states to pull away from this corrupt union, the "Bushwackers" will be a pretty good model for a hit-and-run militia unit to emulate --albeit with modern weapons.
globbo100 2 years ago
@globbo100 folks from missouri are good shots
mizzoulibertarian 1 year ago