Keysi FM is a good fighting method for when you have got inside someones guard, however, it will not work if you cannot get passed their guard, so in some ways it's bad :/
I see some good stuff and many flaws in it but its not in the system its all in the practitioner, the system is only as good as the person who is using it.
This looks good. Lot of close combat elbows that definitely wil knock a bastard out cold. Good defence offence balance. I mainly think training this is a good way to strengthen your defences alongside grapple techniques since the combat they are featuring is mainly and mostly in-fighting. Do not forget the value of a well placed kick or punch from out-fighting. But learning this is definitely not a waste of time.
KFM works, but it doesn't work for everything. It's not a universal truth, it's a specific response to a specific variable. Instead of criticizing it, go train in it. I did as a supplement to my combatives training and I am glad I did.
@WalksWithNoFear agreed. i think people are still stuck in a specific mind-frame, looking for a 1 time deal. just learn everything you can from anything. where one style lacks, another could be good at.
Now in your head imagine this scenario. You've been stopped by a gang of youths. You put up the fence and try to talk your way out of it but the other guy moves in and they all surround you and attack you as a group.
STOP HAMMER TIME!.
Now tell me that what KFM teaches does not apply in that situation. Very close-quarters with constant blows to the head (Pensador) to force you down to the ground (level work) and very little room to maneuver (Pensataq).
I first started my interest in the Keysi Fighting Method like most people after Batman Begins, and I do think that some of the comments about KFM on some of the other videos that Trig0r has posted are by people who treat the method as a general answer.
KFM I think however can be more defined as a response to a specific question.
I like the way it looks. Haven´t seen it before, but read about it and Dieguez background in a magazine like a year ago. Seems basically very funcyional/brutal, appreciate the effectiveness-thinking, the constant elbowslicing etc....
The idea behind grabbing the cheek is to rip it off, same goes for ears etc. you dont grab with the thumb, grab with the palm.
Theres nothing new in ANY martial art, the average human has two legs, two arms a torso and a head, how many variations are there where its original and doesnt appear in some other art from some other position?
As for sounding negative, try it, there will be something that you can learn from it and take back into whatever art you do.
you can't rip somebodys cheek off (ears yes), the cheek is made of stretchy muscle that will adapt to the pulling force, hence why ''fishhooks'' still take ALOT of force (& that is getting a full grab of something)
exactly as you said how many variations can be made? there are over 1000 recognised style of martial arts (& within them hundreds of styles again)
as for trying it no thank you, i do Silat already & without sounding rude it makes this fighting stlye look terrible
if you want i can actually run you through all 8 minutes of this & show you from footwork to positions how this art comes off weak.
it's slightly better than a guy that goes out & fights regularly on the streets.
some moves resemble REALLY bad looking techniques from other martial arts (bad as in, not technicaly right & so can't summon its full potential in levearge & body mechanics.)
there are alot of people in ''mcdojos'' in Taekwondo that like what they learn.
but that doesn't compensate for the style being taught.
i can't see how KFM works, its easily telegraphed moves (hands on your head will not work, maybe for a once off strike but to adapt that position in a fight is suicide)
this style appears to just be a ''candy to the eye'' art that meshes techniques from all different styles.
hm @tvrulesnation...im training kfm since ~6 months in "traunstein" at the school of serkan tuglu. im a police officer and in my spare time im training kfm with another college. he is doing kickboxing and i try my kfm...and guess what!? it works pretty well...the defense is the best. plz watch some boxing or mma...how do u thing u can dodge or defend urself against some hits??like in wt? or what? no...just put ur hands on your head! try it instead of talking of something u dont know!
so rather than tell me to get in touch with reality & laugh. how about actually debating against my points to prove you arn't just another youtube idiot who thinks BJJ & Muay Thai= the ultimate fighter
didnt said anything about bbj&muaythai or mma...btw kfm isnt a martial art or a "fight sport" its a self defense system...in tired to discuss with ppl who never saw kfm live or took a kfm lesson...just watching a vid and say it dont work? sry but this is lame...
plz, do ur self a favor and stfu about it or try it...u dont have to like it but plz dont say it dont work if u dont have a clue...
KFM is a martial art as it has a system of training for combat (ie ''forms/drills'') & shares the general rule ''do what is necessary to defend''
a self defence system is pretty much a martial art, your saying boxing isn't a martial art or wrestling or savate? just because they are sports & of european origin?
if you wanted to REALLY push it you could call ''point shooting'' used in the army a martial art.
& you still haven't provided anything to debate against my arguements.
sry dude but kfm is not a martial art..who are you dare to say that...u are even not training kfm...so plz...boxing is a sport etc...kfm is not for sport or to be an art...
@tvrulesnation not to burst your bubble I know what you are getting at but KM is not a martial art. I train KM and they do not go along with the whole MA style or way of teaching as a matter of fact most good KM instructors will do anything they can do to stay away from that line of thought. I do think that KFM can be usefull and would love the chance to spar with some people well versed in the system though man that D looks great!
Technically it is, a martial art is classed as a system of fighting, hence why there is such big debate on jeet Kune Do being taught as a style, which wasn't what BL wanted.
Not all martial arts have to include philosophy & ettiquette thats just the stereotypical image of them & can help to denote traditional systems from other arts that don't focus on philosophy eg boxing/wrestling
@tvrulesnation I agree with your statement about Bruce and the JKD methodology. KM is different from a traditional MA, because it doesn't hold to any fixed way. In KM you are taught to do whatever it takes to survive, at my school rank just kinda denotes how long you have been training. You start getting all the tools you need from day one, a P1 at my school may of been training for years and know the same material a P4 does. We like the term Self Defense class
I'm telling you ask any grappling art practicioner what he thinks of the style & he would take it apart, hands on your head is used to surrender our anatomy isn't in a strong point to fight in that position hence why POWs do so in war/thugs on the street. You can generate just as much power & keep a low centre of gravity with any other art dealing in CQC that doesn't rely on mainly the elbows
@tvrulesnation Hmm I kinda grapple as well, Judo, KM grappling, and some with Brazilian influence as well. Its all speculation till we see it happen. However there are some techniques used on the ground to guard someone from closing off your space while inside of guard which utilize the the elbow kinda like KFM. Also we are talking street fighting against multiple opponents. I can tell you from RL being struck while trying to hold guard messes up your game big time and elbows hurt alot !
@tvrulesnation "hands on your head is used to surrender"
isn't the one aspect of this fighting style knowing how human instinct works in a fight. So putting hands on your head makes the opponent think that you are just trying to guard yourself from getting hurt, but actually you can deal devastating blows once they get close.
at least in ufc fights, when the other guy guards his head with both hands, all the techniques are thrown aside and massive pounding to the head begins.
KFM is NOT a martial art. It was not born or reinvented in the 'dojo'; KFM was born on the streets of Spanish gypsy origin. It has grown, developed and matured on the streets and the KFM Instructor Development Program is now a direct consequence of real events, experiences and subsequent years of investigation. KFM is an amazing multi dimensional journey into the world of self-discovery.
KFM is an art form dedicated towards the study and investigation of survival of the modern day streets. It is in a state of constant evolution, never standing still and fuelled by research and investigation. You must allow yourself to evolve and grow on a daily basis if you are to truly absorb the essence of KFM and KFM lives in the blood and not in the collection of techniques.
Are there any real video fight clips out there ? All the videos I have seen are choreographed. Would like to see keysi vs BJJ or anything not staged. Big deal they used it on BATMAN. Batman is not real.
@Davidlovesmac good question, I went training yesterday and we were punching, hammering, kicking and elbowing, throw in a take down or two and a bit of grappling and away you go ;)
I have been training some Keysi now for a while and i have even had a seminar with andy norman just need some training music. Any advices ? But not heavy metal. Thanks :D
I currently train Jiu Jitsu and MMA... and I gotta say this shit looks AWESOME... Not only that it looks like it does work... I saw a training clip by Andy Norton of fighting in someones gaurd that blew my mind... I really hope they bring it to MIAMI!
Justo was of gypsy decent yes, he also worked in the mines, was in a monastery for a while and also in the military. He had a rather varied childhood from the things Andy was talking about.
KFM has its long range applications, but it teaches you to look for those opportunities to get in close where muay thai and boxing aren't that effective.
I can see this working on a guy that dosen't know how to fight. But if a guy actually punches straight and is more elusive and moves and dosen't let you get close. A guy with a boxing background or something or muay thai.. Then i'm not so sure, but hey. Sure looks effective in a close quaters, like a bar fight or something.
Keysi FM is a good fighting method for when you have got inside someones guard, however, it will not work if you cannot get passed their guard, so in some ways it's bad :/
kez4hkr 2 months ago
I see some good stuff and many flaws in it but its not in the system its all in the practitioner, the system is only as good as the person who is using it.
koshkudro 1 year ago
This looks good. Lot of close combat elbows that definitely wil knock a bastard out cold. Good defence offence balance. I mainly think training this is a good way to strengthen your defences alongside grapple techniques since the combat they are featuring is mainly and mostly in-fighting. Do not forget the value of a well placed kick or punch from out-fighting. But learning this is definitely not a waste of time.
TboneXS 1 year ago
KFM works, but it doesn't work for everything. It's not a universal truth, it's a specific response to a specific variable. Instead of criticizing it, go train in it. I did as a supplement to my combatives training and I am glad I did.
It's just another tool in your tool box.
WalksWithNoFear 1 year ago 9
@WalksWithNoFear agreed. i think people are still stuck in a specific mind-frame, looking for a 1 time deal. just learn everything you can from anything. where one style lacks, another could be good at.
DJUnrealGL 1 year ago
@WalksWithNoFear what makes it anymore useful than the standard grappling/muy thai combination of martial arts?
BootyBot 6 months ago
@WalksWithNoFear
Very well said. That is why I've trained in so many different styles and why I started trainng in kfm.
ahellfreak 1 month ago
Okay first go check out the other vids.
Now in your head imagine this scenario. You've been stopped by a gang of youths. You put up the fence and try to talk your way out of it but the other guy moves in and they all surround you and attack you as a group.
STOP HAMMER TIME!.
Now tell me that what KFM teaches does not apply in that situation. Very close-quarters with constant blows to the head (Pensador) to force you down to the ground (level work) and very little room to maneuver (Pensataq).
WalksWithNoFear 1 year ago 3
I first started my interest in the Keysi Fighting Method like most people after Batman Begins, and I do think that some of the comments about KFM on some of the other videos that Trig0r has posted are by people who treat the method as a general answer.
KFM I think however can be more defined as a response to a specific question.
WalksWithNoFear 1 year ago
I like the way it looks. Haven´t seen it before, but read about it and Dieguez background in a magazine like a year ago. Seems basically very funcyional/brutal, appreciate the effectiveness-thinking, the constant elbowslicing etc....
Might try it in the future....
anigeus 2 years ago
grab a guys cheek ?? are you taking the piss.
whats the one thing that happens in any grappling art when you grab somebody? (they pull away immediately with force)
any grabs you see here are reacted too way too slow, hence why arts use traps (they don't grab with their thumb).
seriously is there anything new about this art?
i know im sounding really negative but all i'm seeing is a mix of different techniques from different arts & a very bad stance system.
tvrulesnation 2 years ago
The idea behind grabbing the cheek is to rip it off, same goes for ears etc. you dont grab with the thumb, grab with the palm.
Theres nothing new in ANY martial art, the average human has two legs, two arms a torso and a head, how many variations are there where its original and doesnt appear in some other art from some other position?
As for sounding negative, try it, there will be something that you can learn from it and take back into whatever art you do.
Trig0r 2 years ago
@Trig0r
you can't rip somebodys cheek off (ears yes), the cheek is made of stretchy muscle that will adapt to the pulling force, hence why ''fishhooks'' still take ALOT of force (& that is getting a full grab of something)
exactly as you said how many variations can be made? there are over 1000 recognised style of martial arts (& within them hundreds of styles again)
as for trying it no thank you, i do Silat already & without sounding rude it makes this fighting stlye look terrible
tvrulesnation 2 years ago
@Trig0r
if you want i can actually run you through all 8 minutes of this & show you from footwork to positions how this art comes off weak.
it's slightly better than a guy that goes out & fights regularly on the streets.
some moves resemble REALLY bad looking techniques from other martial arts (bad as in, not technicaly right & so can't summon its full potential in levearge & body mechanics.)
tvrulesnation 2 years ago
Anyone with a bit of MA knowledge can pick apart a demo from any art, until you try it and apply it you wont see what works and be able to use it.
There are lots of people that slate KFM but there are a few out there that actually tried it, those that have liked what they learnt..
Trig0r 2 years ago
@Trig0r
your statement means nothing.
there are alot of people in ''mcdojos'' in Taekwondo that like what they learn.
but that doesn't compensate for the style being taught.
i can't see how KFM works, its easily telegraphed moves (hands on your head will not work, maybe for a once off strike but to adapt that position in a fight is suicide)
this style appears to just be a ''candy to the eye'' art that meshes techniques from all different styles.
i can't see it working properly
tvrulesnation 2 years ago
Ok, so you say you cant see how it works, thats fine, but seeing as you also said that you would never try it we'll just have to agree to disagree..
Trig0r 2 years ago
hm @tvrulesnation...im training kfm since ~6 months in "traunstein" at the school of serkan tuglu. im a police officer and in my spare time im training kfm with another college. he is doing kickboxing and i try my kfm...and guess what!? it works pretty well...the defense is the best. plz watch some boxing or mma...how do u thing u can dodge or defend urself against some hits??like in wt? or what? no...just put ur hands on your head! try it instead of talking of something u dont know!
TierDrama 2 years ago
well what hits are you on about?
personally i can't see as you being a police officer how you think raising your hands over your head is a good move seeming as
A) it is one of the most common moves alongside pinning arms to a persons back to arrest them
B) your periphial vision is blocked ALOT
C) your whole body is open fully to attack
D) don't police men generally take out bats/guns if under physical attack?
E) arn't most police trained by their academy/institution?
tvrulesnation 2 years ago
hahah, sry dude but A) D) E) ??? seriously??? wtf come to reality plz
TierDrama 2 years ago
believe me i'm very in touch with street reality, more so than alot of dojos out teaching defence classes.
A) what do you see in war when oppositions are told to surrender ''hands over your head & get on your stomach''
D) yes guards do use their bats if being physically threatened in times of multiple attackers/when necessary to keep the civil peace.
E) maybe not in your country but alot of countries do teach their guards how to defend themselves or recommend them to do a martial art.
tvrulesnation 2 years ago
so rather than tell me to get in touch with reality & laugh. how about actually debating against my points to prove you arn't just another youtube idiot who thinks BJJ & Muay Thai= the ultimate fighter
or that MMA is the only worthy art
tvrulesnation 2 years ago
didnt said anything about bbj&muaythai or mma...btw kfm isnt a martial art or a "fight sport" its a self defense system...in tired to discuss with ppl who never saw kfm live or took a kfm lesson...just watching a vid and say it dont work? sry but this is lame...
plz, do ur self a favor and stfu about it or try it...u dont have to like it but plz dont say it dont work if u dont have a clue...
<3
TierDrama 2 years ago
Tier.
KFM is a martial art as it has a system of training for combat (ie ''forms/drills'') & shares the general rule ''do what is necessary to defend''
a self defence system is pretty much a martial art, your saying boxing isn't a martial art or wrestling or savate? just because they are sports & of european origin?
if you wanted to REALLY push it you could call ''point shooting'' used in the army a martial art.
& you still haven't provided anything to debate against my arguements.
tvrulesnation 2 years ago
sry dude but kfm is not a martial art..who are you dare to say that...u are even not training kfm...so plz...boxing is a sport etc...kfm is not for sport or to be an art...
end, bb
TierDrama 2 years ago
you need to look up the definition of a martial art if you think boxing & KFM would not be considered an art.
there is a reason why on MARTIAL ART pages/forums on the internet they are listed.
you know the isreali fighting style Krav Maga that is pretty popular internationall? thats a martial art too.
& when you say martial ART it doesn't always have to refer to the traditional side (ie dances etc).
your just another idiot on youtube who has no clue on other arts & the history.
tvrulesnation 2 years ago
@tvrulesnation not to burst your bubble I know what you are getting at but KM is not a martial art. I train KM and they do not go along with the whole MA style or way of teaching as a matter of fact most good KM instructors will do anything they can do to stay away from that line of thought. I do think that KFM can be usefull and would love the chance to spar with some people well versed in the system though man that D looks great!
whowouldofguessed 1 year ago
@whowouldofguessed
Technically it is, a martial art is classed as a system of fighting, hence why there is such big debate on jeet Kune Do being taught as a style, which wasn't what BL wanted.
Not all martial arts have to include philosophy & ettiquette thats just the stereotypical image of them & can help to denote traditional systems from other arts that don't focus on philosophy eg boxing/wrestling
tvrulesnation 1 year ago
@tvrulesnation I agree with your statement about Bruce and the JKD methodology. KM is different from a traditional MA, because it doesn't hold to any fixed way. In KM you are taught to do whatever it takes to survive, at my school rank just kinda denotes how long you have been training. You start getting all the tools you need from day one, a P1 at my school may of been training for years and know the same material a P4 does. We like the term Self Defense class
whowouldofguessed 1 year ago
@whowouldofguessed
I'm telling you ask any grappling art practicioner what he thinks of the style & he would take it apart, hands on your head is used to surrender our anatomy isn't in a strong point to fight in that position hence why POWs do so in war/thugs on the street. You can generate just as much power & keep a low centre of gravity with any other art dealing in CQC that doesn't rely on mainly the elbows
tvrulesnation 1 year ago
@tvrulesnation Hmm I kinda grapple as well, Judo, KM grappling, and some with Brazilian influence as well. Its all speculation till we see it happen. However there are some techniques used on the ground to guard someone from closing off your space while inside of guard which utilize the the elbow kinda like KFM. Also we are talking street fighting against multiple opponents. I can tell you from RL being struck while trying to hold guard messes up your game big time and elbows hurt alot !
whowouldofguessed 1 year ago
@tvrulesnation "hands on your head is used to surrender"
isn't the one aspect of this fighting style knowing how human instinct works in a fight. So putting hands on your head makes the opponent think that you are just trying to guard yourself from getting hurt, but actually you can deal devastating blows once they get close.
at least in ufc fights, when the other guy guards his head with both hands, all the techniques are thrown aside and massive pounding to the head begins.
Loiske4real 4 months ago
@TierDrama KFM isnt a "sport" or "classic" martial art, but I would still call it a martial art.
Trig0r 2 years ago
This is strait of the KFM website
KFM is NOT a martial art. It was not born or reinvented in the 'dojo'; KFM was born on the streets of Spanish gypsy origin. It has grown, developed and matured on the streets and the KFM Instructor Development Program is now a direct consequence of real events, experiences and subsequent years of investigation. KFM is an amazing multi dimensional journey into the world of self-discovery.
bigschatz1 2 years ago
KFM is an art form dedicated towards the study and investigation of survival of the modern day streets. It is in a state of constant evolution, never standing still and fuelled by research and investigation. You must allow yourself to evolve and grow on a daily basis if you are to truly absorb the essence of KFM and KFM lives in the blood and not in the collection of techniques.
bigschatz1 2 years ago
ah, thy
finally one who gets it..
TierDrama 2 years ago
Yeah read that before, and disagree with it.
imho, KFM has a philosophy similar to that of JKD/Bruce Lee, a philosophy that manifests itself as a martial art..
Look up the meaning of "martial art" on somewhere like wikipedia and then tell me that KFM by definition isnt a "Martial Art"..
Trig0r 2 years ago
I've done some martial art styles and some techniques I've seen and learned are good. But others are a bit impractical.
With your experiences in KFM and as a cop I was wondering if it actually works on the streets?
I'm trying to be a cop and I live in a really bad neighborhood and I'm in need of help with my martial prowess.
Lukash636 2 years ago
u got mail
TierDrama 2 years ago
jaja pinche sistema keysa fusilandose cosas de jiujitsu brazileño y sus golpes con lo exceso de codos.
prefiero mas la tecnica de muay thai para golpear con codos.
aladonocturno 2 years ago
your systen keysi are pure elbows
krav maga is more effective in a real street fight.
aladonocturno 2 years ago
Its not pure elbows, feel free to check the other video's and you'll see what I mean.
Trig0r 2 years ago
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Are there any real video fight clips out there ? All the videos I have seen are choreographed. Would like to see keysi vs BJJ or anything not staged. Big deal they used it on BATMAN. Batman is not real.
bigschatz1 2 years ago
Krav Maga is the major lie ... the Jews are merchants
The people only like the fantasies and to say that it is a military Jewish art...
They make this fantasy for the people who pays fortunes
You believe that the high kicks are effective in a street fight?
In the boxing, kick boxing, when the fighters are joined the umpire it separates them
In the street rapidly these in the distance felling
Very much effective mas they are the elbows, head, knee and grasps
ZASCA7 2 years ago
@ZASCA7 LOL high kick to the head what KM school did you train at?
whowouldofguessed 1 year ago
i just came back from keysi class why is that i did punches with my fists and without my elbows???????? since your such a pro at keysi
Davidlovesmac 2 years ago
@Davidlovesmac good question, I went training yesterday and we were punching, hammering, kicking and elbowing, throw in a take down or two and a bit of grappling and away you go ;)
Trig0r 2 years ago
muay thai and krav maga are better.
aladonocturno 2 years ago
Because...?
Trig0r 2 years ago
is completely different
TitanSkillz 2 years ago
What's the name of the song man?
I have been training some Keysi now for a while and i have even had a seminar with andy norman just need some training music. Any advices ? But not heavy metal. Thanks :D
ThugzWar 2 years ago
die....die by my hand...i creep across the land....it fits completely to kfm :D
Unplugfish 2 years ago
good stuff. The JKD/pangamut influence is really obvious.... nice evolution.
HYBRIDCOMBATIVES 2 years ago
Not a fan of the headbutts but everything else looks okay
AltronGenuous13 2 years ago
name of the background music;)
oskar100pre 2 years ago
I currently train Jiu Jitsu and MMA... and I gotta say this shit looks AWESOME... Not only that it looks like it does work... I saw a training clip by Andy Norton of fighting in someones gaurd that blew my mind... I really hope they bring it to MIAMI!
verdolagation 3 years ago
You mean Andy "Norman".
Sheik06 2 years ago
he was a spanish gypsy
gregmann378 3 years ago
Justo was of gypsy decent yes, he also worked in the mines, was in a monastery for a while and also in the military. He had a rather varied childhood from the things Andy was talking about.
Trig0r 3 years ago
my trainer is trained in kfm and it is brutal. there is a seminar soon in milton keens
gregmann378 3 years ago
KFM has its long range applications, but it teaches you to look for those opportunities to get in close where muay thai and boxing aren't that effective.
dirtydawg469 3 years ago
I can see this working on a guy that dosen't know how to fight. But if a guy actually punches straight and is more elusive and moves and dosen't let you get close. A guy with a boxing background or something or muay thai.. Then i'm not so sure, but hey. Sure looks effective in a close quaters, like a bar fight or something.
Sleepdancer87 3 years ago
So? he keeps moving and his fists are destroyed with your elbows.
Sheik06 2 years ago
lol elaborate on that please?
Sleepdancer87 2 years ago
finaly a selfdefence system that is better than kali and krav maga..
snikene 3 years ago
why are there only ever promo videos by the founders and no training clips by students or instructors?
Petervigors 3 years ago
petervigors:
because "the dark knight" just came out... no students yet ;)
katodmx007 3 years ago
If you hate your self do this....
ScoutRanger45 4 years ago
how do u block a kick to all the vital areas?
khmerpatriot 4 years ago
Depends on what sort of kick and what your doing and where you are, same as any style?
Trig0r 4 years ago
compliments,orignal,real,profesional !
candreis 4 years ago