Ha - I do this trick all the time. The cameras have a speed sensor and they "assume" if you are approaching fast, then you are not stopping. I get the cameras to take my photo every time, but I always stop before the limit line. (That way they have to waste their time and money reviewing the video, then move on to the next one). Works every time.
As a pedestrian, a cyclist, a motorcyclist, a car driver, a commercial helicopter and aeroplane pilot and instructor, and accordingly - a broad minded person, I can't abide small minded people who feel the need to project their inadequacies onto everyone else in an effort to elevate themselves.
@Ucster Ha! People that stop in the xwalk will blow right past a stop bar. @Retired You have a strange perspective on the law. How far do you take it? Should a driver just drive through a red light if they don't see anyone else around if they believe it wouldn't hurt anyone? It would have been so easy for this person to just stop lawfully. There really is no excuse.
There are supposed to be "stop bars" painted on the pavement indicating where traffic is supposed to stop. This intersection does not meet Federal MUTCD design standards.
As a retired law enforcement officer, I do not think this ticket is justified. Unlike straight-through violations, right turn violations in my experience working years of both traffic crashes and traffic homicides did not result in many crashes. They are not the severe crashes people think of when they hear of someone running a red light. The fact the front wheels were a few inches over the line did not endanger anyone- other than the financial well being of the vehicle owner.
According to the related article, the driver paid $110, not $480. ATS does not issue tickets. They provide information to law enforcement agencies who then decide whether to issue the ticket. The driver was driving slowly (16 mph according to the article). He (or she) could have easily stopped before the pedestrian crosswalk. Why didn't they stop? My guess is that they have a habit of stopping in the crosswalk, red light cam or not. As a pedestrian, I think this ticket is justified.
Ha - I do this trick all the time. The cameras have a speed sensor and they "assume" if you are approaching fast, then you are not stopping. I get the cameras to take my photo every time, but I always stop before the limit line. (That way they have to waste their time and money reviewing the video, then move on to the next one). Works every time.
CaliforniaOpenRoad 1 month ago
As a pedestrian, a cyclist, a motorcyclist, a car driver, a commercial helicopter and aeroplane pilot and instructor, and accordingly - a broad minded person, I can't abide small minded people who feel the need to project their inadequacies onto everyone else in an effort to elevate themselves.
58manwell 1 month ago
@Thunkazoid I didn't say the driver was driving correctly, he was not. My statement was that the pavement markings are incorrect. Thanks.
Ucster 1 month ago
@Ucster Ha! People that stop in the xwalk will blow right past a stop bar. @Retired You have a strange perspective on the law. How far do you take it? Should a driver just drive through a red light if they don't see anyone else around if they believe it wouldn't hurt anyone? It would have been so easy for this person to just stop lawfully. There really is no excuse.
Thunkazoid 1 month ago
There are supposed to be "stop bars" painted on the pavement indicating where traffic is supposed to stop. This intersection does not meet Federal MUTCD design standards.
Ucster 1 month ago
As a retired law enforcement officer, I do not think this ticket is justified. Unlike straight-through violations, right turn violations in my experience working years of both traffic crashes and traffic homicides did not result in many crashes. They are not the severe crashes people think of when they hear of someone running a red light. The fact the front wheels were a few inches over the line did not endanger anyone- other than the financial well being of the vehicle owner.
RetiredPublicSafety 1 month ago
According to the related article, the driver paid $110, not $480. ATS does not issue tickets. They provide information to law enforcement agencies who then decide whether to issue the ticket. The driver was driving slowly (16 mph according to the article). He (or she) could have easily stopped before the pedestrian crosswalk. Why didn't they stop? My guess is that they have a habit of stopping in the crosswalk, red light cam or not. As a pedestrian, I think this ticket is justified.
TivoTierney 1 month ago