Thoughts on Antisemitism and Zionism from Adath Israel Synagogue (Massena Blood Libel)

[mrfish4lyfe]

thank you coming from a jew against zionism

[Kalahridudex]

There are 2 options on the Jewish people's table, we either go to israel in it's present borders or we go back to the camps. Eventually we will come to our senses and realize that Israel is the only option and you self-haters from the exile can't do anything about it.

[hcwcars1]

fuck jews and or israel

blood suckers all

die basterds

[ElderOfTzion]

@hcwcars1

If you don't like Jews quit telling people to sleep with them. Also, it's pretty hard to have sex with a country--take a spoon or something to dig a hole for it, and make sure to use a condom.

[unorthodoxtrotsky]

Establishment of Israel was zionist colonization. When European Jews tried to cross over to U.S. from Hitler's thread, U.S. zionist supported U.S. government to prevent European Jews to come to U.S. as refugees for they believe land of Israel/Palestine is the only proper place that any Jews to be in. And zionists also supported anti-Semitic regimes(including Nazi Germany) to force Jews to move to Israel/Palestine.

[sldstt]

So you're not antisemitic, you're just anti-Israeli.

I am an Israeli, so it doesn't sound much better to me.

[sci1024]

@bundangbear

You call yourself an Internationalist, therefore you don't want us Jews to have our own state or our own culture.

Maybe sir you have forgotten that in the Torah it states clearly that we must remain attached to the Land.

Numbers 33:53

"And ye shall drive out the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein; for unto you have I given the land to possess it."

[bundangbear]

But again you fail to mention I speak out against antisemitism. Linking antisemitism to antizionism is a false analogy: Judaism is a RELIGION; Zionism is a POLITICAL THEORY. They are NOT mutually exclusive.

I have traveled extensively in the Middle East, in Lebanon, Egypt, as well as Tunisia, Turkey, and Morocco, studied Arabic in Byblos, Lebanon for a summer semester, and I was treated with great respect. Yes, I have a very Jewish-sounding name.

[yone71]

@bundangbear You again are an ignorant twit. Judaism, as a religion, is Zionist. All 3 daily prayers clearly call for a return to Zion. So does grace after meals. In fact, the last thing you say during the Yom Kippur rayers, the holiest prayer of the year, is "next year in Jerusalem". & only the Neturei Karta, a minor minority,, say that that should happen only when the Messiah comes. I know you like seeing yourself on YT but you really are an ignorant tool !!

[bundangbear]

@yone71 Those prayers are METAPHORICAL. "Zion" is a STATE of mind, NOT a geographical locale, according to my rabbi when I was growing up.

[Kalahridudex]

@bundangbear wow, your rabbi is self-hating slime

[bundangbear]

@Kalahridudex Don't judge my synagogue. They let gays in, too. I suppose you want to say something bad about that, you dumb sabra!

[TheWiretap]

bundangbear you rock!

[Nawas7]

Being Jewish doesn't mean being Zionist.

Zionism is an ideology, which's founded in the late 1800s, & it's influenced by the ideologies of that time. It's influenced by racism, social Darwinism, colonialism, & imperialism.

Many Israeli radicals today preach for greater Israel from the Euphrates to the Nile, which means an invasion to Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq. Possible even Turkey & Sudan.

[TheAntiV]

"It's influenced by racism, social Darwinism, colonialism, & imperialism."

I'm sorry but I haven't seen any evidence of this whatsoever.

[Nawas7]

Colonialism & Imperialism? I believe it's apparent in the words of the Zionists who call for greater Israel.

Racism, & social Darwinism? It can be seen in the Israeli school books & they way it demonize & dehumanize Arabs/Muslims.

[TheAntiV]

You mean in the Palestinian school books which describe Jews being sub-human and evil? Not to mention the constant rhetoric from the government which constantly spews ethnic cleansing against Jews?

Colonialism and imperialism? Escaping genocide and oppression isn't colonialism nor is it imperialism.

[Nawas7]

No, I don't mean the Arab nationalist propaganda in school books. I mean the Zionist Anti-Arab Anti-Islam propaganda in the Israeli school books. Both are wrong.

[TheAntiV]

No offense but I have yet to see "anti-Arab anti-Islam propaganda" in Israeli school books. 20% of the Israeli population is of Arab descent not to mention the fact that there are Arabs in the Israeli government. I'm not denying that there are Israeli radicals, but they are dwarfed in comparison with the Islamic radicals.

[Nawas7]

According to the Van Leer survey:

- 60% of Israeli youthes are pro deportation of all Arabs

- 56% are against equality with those Arab citizens of Israel

- 40% are pro any secret organization that might avenge Arabs

[TheAntiV]

Do you have a link to this survey? Because I had trouble finding it over the net.

[bundangbear]

Both are wrong.

Agreed. you've pretty much proven yourself the victor in this debate4 beyond the shadow of a doubt. TheAntiV has no leg to stand on!

[Nawas7]

To punish Palestinians for what the Nazis dead is wrong too.

It's as if China became the world super power, invaded the US, forced African Americans (or people like you) out of their homes, & brought the natives in their place because "It's their native land"

[TheAntiV]

Isn't China Already a superpower? The Jews who came to the middle-east did not bring loads of weapons with them nor was it their intention to attack anyone especially those who migrated to the area in the late 1800s.

[Nawas7]

TheAntiV

For many centuries Jews were treated much better in the Ottoman empire than in Europe. In the early 1800s They had even more privilege in Egypt. But the Hagana & Argon are different.

[TheAntiV]

Its true Jews were better treated in the middle-east compared to treatment they received in Europe. However their treatment in Muslim countries was far from perfect. There was even a mass exodus from Muslim lands by Jews to escape oppression.

[bundangbear]

TheAntiV, don't bring your red herrings to this debate. As far as I'm concerned, as one of Jewish heritage, you're just stirring up trouble for the sake of trouble. The history of what is now Palestine is long and complex, and the current status quo is the only problem i have: it's making world Jewry look bad: to be imperialist and colonist in these days and ages is shameful, and you cannot deny that! Never mind the history! Look at the present! It's an apartheid state!

[TheAntiV]

What red herrings are you talking about? Do you even know what a red herring is or are you just using random words for the purpose of trying to make your opposition seem flawed? My purpose was never meant to stir up trouble. If I was trying to I would of used ad0hominems are such. Its also obvious you haven't the slightest clue what apartheid is.

[bundangbear]

Both are wrong, said Nawas7. So he's pretty much won any debate or rabble rousing you're trying to start up. Henceforth in this debate, you've taken a blow you cannot recover from. He's agreed both are wrong. Don't you agree? So why keep on, arguing history? We're talking about NOW in terms of Zionism, and as for historical treatment of Jews, it has varied in both Europe and the Middle East, but the Ottoman Empire was profoundly tolerant of ALL religions of its citizens.

[TheAntiV]

Apartheid in the Republic of South Africa was an official policy of discrimination against blacks enforced through police violence, based on minority control over a majority population who could not vote. In contrast, Israel is a majority-rule democracy with equal rights for all citizens including Arab citizens of Israel. Israel contends with prejudice in its population as all societies do, but such prejudices are opposed by law. The the West Bank and Gaza are not governed by Israel.

[bundangbear]

I'm talknig about Arab citizens OF Israel and how they are openly treated as second class citizens, such as not being allowed to join the army. If that is not aparthe3id, then what is?

[TheAntiV]

bundangbear, what the hell are you talking about? Each year between 5%-10% of the Bedouin population of draft age volunteered for the Israeli army, and Bedouin were well-known for their unique status as volunteers. Arabs in Israel have the right to vote and even hold seats in Israels Knesset. Now where is the Apartheid? You are just using emotionally driven words to fuel your opinion.

[bundangbear]

Instead of peacefully serving the country, the soldiers are forced to worry over the fate of their homes, wondering whether or not their house will remain intact upon their return, said Menaheshs uncle, Mussa Albinath, who served in the IDF for 20 years. His five sons and nephew also served in the army.

The problematic treatment of Bedouin soldiers by their community is evident in the fact that the Remembrance Day siren was heard for the first time only in 2005 in the Hura community.

[TheAntiV]

"the Ottoman Empire was profoundly tolerant of ALL religions of its citizens."

Tell that to the christian Armenians.

Well, first of all the Ottoman Empire wasn't the only country in the middle-east. In June 1941 there was a pro-Nazi coup in Iraq. Following the collapse of the new regime, an anti-Jewish pogrom took place, leading to the death of 180 Jews. Movement of Jews inside this block due to persecution has occurred before the twentieth century also.

[bundangbear]

So you've agreed with me again. I said the history of the Jews in the Middle East was too complex to pigeonhole, and you agree. The Baath Party of Iraq, Nazi, and secular, had better religious relations than current US controlled Iraq. Tariq Azzis was himself a Christian. THINK!

[TheAntiV]

Yes, the history of Jews is certainly complex but I never said I agreed with you in terms of Muslim treatment towards Jews. And who is Tariq Azzis? You mean Tariq Aziz? Also, you are all over the place that its hard to follow you.

[luckysex125]

Fucken red skin immigrant!

[bundangbear]

lucky, that is hate speech. I order you to close your account NOW or reap the whirlwind!

[RabbitNexus]

I don't accept the term anti-semitism. That word is itself a racist concept, implying that racism or bigotry is different just because it is directed at Jews.

The reaction by the community was racist, ignorance, bigotry. We should be able to criticise racism, ignorance and bigotry anywhere, without there being one race or group which has special status such that criticism of them can be labelled with a "card of higher value", a special word for criticising them alone, anti-semitism.

[RabbitNexus]

By allowing those who attack Jews in blind ignorance and without regard for individiual to be called something special, instead of just racists or bigots, we give license for the same term to be used against any criticism of those people as a group for any reason.

When I am called an anti-semite I just think, 'what a stupid word" and realise the other person has nothing at all to put up and is a waste of time.

[bundangbear]

watch?v=pm4s6MA8kA8

[RabbitNexus]

My post was an answer to someone referring to Zionism, not anything to do with anti-semitism my friend the Bunniest of Dang Bears. I agree fully of course to the concept of anti-semitism referring in definition to Semites all, which includes Arabs of all people and actually doesn't include Ashkenazi Jews - but they can play too and be honorary semites if they would learn to not slaughter the original semites, that's all.

[bundangbear]

Agreed. The slaughter of the indigenous people of Palestine is what you and I and our allies are all working to stop. This colonialism is wrong!

[bundangbear]

watch?v=pm4s6MA8kA8

[ushaiaa]

i can't agree more with you bundangbear!

i mean it's just obvious to notice what you say is true!

love all your videos!i love u as a person! i mean keep on spreading love !

[J1Goro]

Is that a South African hat? Israel never supported South African blacks or Mandela. In fact Israel traded with the apartheid regime of South Africa. You shame yourself.

[bundangbear]

I am AGAINST Israel. Salaam.

[Cefuroxx]

Fuck israel

[blairzel]

This has nothing to do with Israel....it has ALL to do with bigoted North Country Catholics. Ignorant Catholics who use Israel as a reason to hate American Jews. Gutless and cowardly...none of them have the balls to tell people that...they just rant on about Zionists. American Jews are AMERICAN.

[J1Goro]

What are converts to Judaism in Khazaria again? Oh yeah not Hebrew at all and sorta fake Jews. As these Jews were white skinned as opposed to the real Jews of Judea that were obviously dark skinned.

[VeryPalpableHit]

This is a very interesting and sad piece of history.

[bundangbear]

WHY DO YOU HIDE YOUR FRIENDS???

[bundangbear]

I see you didn't even try to defend the fact you're antisemitic, huh?

[madmimerz]

This makes as much sense as to say that the British dont have a right to England, and then claiming to not be anti-British, or to say that the Muslims have no right to Mecca, and then claiming to not be anti-muslim. If this is the case, I think I may fairly say that the "Palestinians" have no right to any sort of home land , and now you cannot call me anti-Palestinian.

[madmimerz]

Zionism is the yearning of the jewish people for the last 2,000 years to return to their home land. Therefore, to be anti-zionist means, in essence, to deny the Jewish nation the right to their homeland; a right every other nation has. In effect, you have singled out the Jewish nation as the one nation among nations that does not have a right to their own land.

[RabbitNexus]

Rubbish. What a load of myths and rubbish all rolled up into a belief system.

[bundangbear]

ANTI SEMITISM ALSO MEANS ANTI ISLAMIC

[RabbitNexus]

Hope you realise this was reply to

madmimerz who was just talking about Zionism and trying to dress it up as some weird myth I seem to have seen first mentioned about 1870.

[bundangbear]

Oh this damned Youtube can never keep comments straight. Yeah, everyone know you're not anti-Jewish. Bob Dylan is of Jewish heritage, as am I, partly, but not of the religion at all. Salaam to you, man!

[RabbitNexus]

Just making sure you hadn't missed that my comment was not directed at your video because as you say this crappy YT system makes comments lose their context so easily.

Fact is my friend, that apart from Mr Zimmerman, at least a third of my favorite people are Jewish, so as you say, I could hardly be Anti-Semitic, though I am called it so often from scumbags who revolt me to the core of my being, I do begin to feel it as something of a compliment more often than not I'm sorry to say. :(

[bundangbear]

Oh Rabbit, I get it too, being called an "anti-Semite," even though I am of partly "Jewish" heritage myself, and then when Zionists hear this, they call me a "self-hating Jew" and a "traitor to my people." They always have an insult ready, the Zionists! Sad!

[RabbitNexus]

I didn't realise you're Jewish until this video I think.

However my reaction to this knowledge though I never said anything then, should make my position clear. I was delighted. So someone I like, who agrees on the basics of human life and decency and all that good stuff is Jewish. What a relief to be reminded by serendipty that I am not anti-Semitic. It isn't always easy to remember when its being screached at one every hour of the day almost by comment, email or panting/ranting phone call. :)

[bundangbear]

You are most certainly not anti-Jewish. You are anti-Zionist, as am I, as are a number of practicing Jews (I am not a practicing Jew), who are also anti-Zionist, like Naturei Karta and Rabbi Weiss, a true freedom fighter and a RABBI. I'm sure you know about him, right?

[RabbitNexus]

Ah ha, but anti-Zionist is a code word for us anti-semites, I have been told this. :)

[bundangbear]

LOL! Israeli Zionists have no monopoly on language!

[RabbitNexus]

Doesn't mean they see it this way.

[madmimerz]

You claim that one can be anti-zionist, while not being anti-semitic . Now, lets analyze this for a second. What is zionism ?

[bundangbear]

Well, sadly, it seems you're certainly a homophone and sexist, and even antisemitic. That's not cool!

[madmimerz]

please can people understand such people like therapist what ever he is on your list stop marking my messages or comments as spam theyr not spam its a person with a voice whos feinately allowed to use it and since other people can write their thoughts and opinions about your videos why shouldnt i i am not writing anything offensive and its not regarding any one in a negative way whaever i have writtend is in format of examples aswell so stop marking them as spam

[bundangbear]

I'm sorry if viewers are doing that. Feel free to post your comments again if you wish. This is supposed to be an open forum for ALL to comment, irregardless of ideas.

[CloeBuckingham]

I do not believe Israel has committed genocide by killing less than 0.1% of Palestinians. Even if Israel killed 1,500 Palestinians PER YEAR, it would hardly dent the growth in their population. In the animal kingdom, it might be called culling the herd to keep the species strong, though I don't agree.

We know that when Israel holds all the cards, Palestinians will not suffer genocide. But can we trust to let the Palestinians hold half the cards? I wonder.

[CloeBuckingham]

Israel, in my opinion, has a right to protect itself. But if they want to build a wall, it should not be inside the green line. Chopping up the West Bank into separate little bits is wrong. I think the settlements should be dismantled, and the wall should be well outside the green line.

[bundangbear]

But don't forget there are a lot of good Jews out there who fight for peace and justice and oppose the NWO and world domination, right?

[bundangbear]

It is not in any way antisemitic to bring up real crimes of real Jews like the invasion of Gaza. However, it seems that Jews are pretty peaceful and peace-loving,\ while it is the Zionists that have besmeared the Jewish name. My roots are part Jewish, and I'm anti-Zionist.

[CloeBuckingham]

I oppose settlements, but not the state of Israel. I am not Jewish. so am I a Zionist?

[bundangbear]

One does not need be Jewish to be a Zionist, Cloe. That's an accepted fact by even Zionists.

[CloeBuckingham]

Well, I just want to know what I am, because I want Israel to continue to exist. I do not want the Israelis to be chased into the sea. However, I disagree with aggressive actions by Israel, such as building settlements. I oppose and have always opposed the settlements. Also, I do not oppose the wall, but I oppose the way the wall is being built, which is in such a way that steals territory from the Palestinians and makes free movement difficult or impossible.

[bundangbear]

I don't really see you as a Zionist, Cloe, but you are an enabler to Zionism.

[LogieBeatsLies]

Chinese military supremacy is inevitable, and when it comes, and the American economy and its supported empire collapses, Japan will be Chinese.

[bundangbear]

How so?

[LogieBeatsLies]

China has growth rates of 8% per year and a population of 1.33B. The USA has growth rates of 2% and a population of 0.304B. It is inevitable that China will become a bigger economy than the US, and a bigger economy will support a bigger military.

The US has a strong position, because most trade is dollar denominated. But with such a loose monetary policy and so much debt, that won't last forever. When the USA loses its position, it will tank, and peaceful Japan will be ripe for China's picking.

[CloeBuckingham]

When a country like the People's Republic of China, which has engaged in so many wars against foreign countries and its occupied territories, wants to invade and occupy Japan, it cannot do it impulsively. It takes planning

Generations of Chinese must be brainwashed with fake history. They must be programmed as children to hate Japan through a process of indoctrination, based on 143 fake photos of a fictive Nanjing massacre.

Rather than caring about past blood libel, care about today's!

[CloeBuckingham]

Innocent, peace-loving present day Japanese must endure the blood libel of South Koreans, North Koreans, and Chinese who make up fictitious massacres to propagate hatred against Japan. One day this will be used to justify invading Japan.

If you start to debate what Japan did or did not do, you are already lost. None of that matters anymore.

What matters is that the governments of China and Korea have a policy of inciting hatred against Japan based on the notion of victimhood.

[bundangbear]

Cloe, do do know the definition of "blood libel"? Tell me please.

[CloeBuckingham]

It is the accusation that a religious group is using human beings who do not belong to that religious group of using in religious rituals.

In other words, when Christians in South Korea accuse Japanese of killing Koreans in Shinto ceremonies.

[cozmikgate]

Arabs are semites

[bundangbear]

YES they sure are!

[bundangbear]

Or like Native Americans who have no right to run their country? Which became true. Zionism is just New Colonialism, and Jews were used and exploited BY the powers of Western Europe to secure a "Western" foothold in the Middle East. Israel is more a puppet of the West than it is a glorious gathering of Jews. Ask some of the Hasidim in Crown Heights, Brooklyn what they think of Israel. Many of the Hasidim rebbes were AGAINST going to Israel even in the face of the Holocaust. WHY?

[bundangbear]

Not really. zionism is a colonialist movement supported by the COLONIAL POWERS of Western Europe to attack, pacify, and make reservations for the Palestinians. It equals the atrocities of the early explorers against the Native Americans in every way! Zionists are like Columbus! See this vid:

watch?v=77-VN_D_0CM&feature=ch­annel_page

[TheAntiV]

That is factually incorrect bundangbear. Most of the Israeli settlers were refugees who wanted nothing to do with the countries they fled to escape pogroms and religious discrimination. The came to Palestine with few weapons unless you classify rakes and hoes as weapons. The land from which they cultivated was not stolen from its rightful owners but was in fact purchased from absentee landlords and real estate speculators.

[bundangbear]

You make Zionism sound like a 2,000 year old tradition. NOT. Theodor Hertzl first coined the tern in the LATE 19th CENTURY! Not very old, not very righteous, is it?

[Therapist1972]

yeah, I loathe antisemiticm too. peace. you rock.

[eddiesluver]

I guess what i really don't understand, and want to know is... why is there a word created and used to specifically describe racism against Jewish people? I don't think I know of anyother race in the world that has a special word to describe racism against their particular race of people. o.O

[eddiesluver]

You know, I never really understood, and still don't understand why racism against Jews is called "anti-semitism". When you say "anti-semitism" are you refering to racism against people of the Jewish religion, or people who are ethnically Israeli? It's so confusing to me. Because not all Israeli's are Jewish, yet you can only ever be born into the religion, so only Israeli's can be Jewish, right?

[bundangbear]

Well, people of Jewish decent, like myself, who choose not to be part of the atrocities of the current nation of Israel, are still Jews, by definition, even though we do not practice the religion, even by legal definition of the nation of Israel. To be a Jew, by definition, you mother has to be Jewish, and that is all. This doesn't account for my other multiracial components--Mohawk and Quebecois.

[natashalatiff]

Wow. Excellent. Good video!

[johnswackyworld]

BIGGEST BLUNDER IN MY HOMETOWN'S HISTORY!! the mayor should have never been involved in 1928. but he boycotted jewish stores. the KKK was also here. the police chief got caught up in it by pressure, the state trooper should have never believed the blood libel story, the jewish should have never been interrogated, the father of the little girl lost didnt believe any of the rumor. he thought it was insane. people gathered at the griiffth home to support the family with food. it was quite an event

[johnswackyworld]

They then questioned Rabbi Berel Brennglass of the Adath Israel synagogueA State Police Officer asked, Can you give any information whether your people in the Old Country offer human sacrifices? Was there ever a time when the Jewish people used human blood? Brennglass became angry.the girl turned up safe and sound. The mayor apologized, but anti-Semitic townspeople persisted in believing that the girl had been kidnapped and that only the fact that she was found in time foiled the evil plot

[johnswackyworld]

On September 22, 1928, two days before Yom Kippur, four-year-old Barbara Griffiths went for a walk and got lost. After searchers did not find her, a Greek immigrant apparently initiated the that the girl had been kidnapped and killed by the town's Jews for a religious ritual associated with Yom Kippur. The following day, the state police questioned Morris Goldberg, a Jew raised in a non-Jewish orphanage, with little knowledge of Jewish tradition.

[johnswackyworld]

There have been several cases of false murder or violence accusations against Jews in the United States, including the Phagan case in Atlanta Georgia in 1912 and the recent case of Tawana Brawley, but there was probably only one real ritual murder accusation. It took place in Massena N.Y. in 1928.

[bundangbear]

He sure is!

[HwangMyungShin]

Boy, no wonder your so amazing. Bundang Bear....what makes the Jewish people soo special? In the world of classical music, all the Jewish musicians are at the top. You know Bundang Bear, your on a roll know your in North America, good on you. ^ _ ^

[johnswackyworld]

the people of the jewish faith are very talented in the arts...i think there wouldnt be a hollywood without the jewish..jon stewart, mel brooks, woody allen, and on and on and on..some of the best artist ever in comedy and music!

[Cefuroxx]

you forgot mel gibson, a wonderful jew!

[seouldave69]

I never knew about this. Great location there!

I totally agree with you on this. I read some professor say that israel actually caused antisemitism because there is so much hate for the government of that nation, and that is something people need to think about. Governemnts don't ever represent the people, why would they in Israel?

Antisemitism SUCKS!

[meltingiovanni]

Your jewish huh.

[bundangbear]

I'm 50% French-Canadian, 42.5% Jewish (ETHNICALLY, not religiously), and 7.5% Mohawk.

[meltingiovanni]

So many ppl in my life told me I was jewish looking so I claimed myself as jewish and told them i was full blooded jewish lol. A few also accused me of being a zionist too.

[Eurynomos69]

Interesting, always nice to learn something new. Salam.

[bundangbear]

My pleasure, Artur! Salaam!

[bambizzoozled]

please add subtitles, or a transcription in the description.

[bundangbear]

Watch in HQ for better sound!

[tuberpie68]

How can you be so sure that that was the only blood libel incident anywhere in the U.S.? ----yocoxcayotl, peace, sholom, shalam, paz.

[bundangbear]

It was the only one published by Jewish sources. Sure, there may be unpublished incidents elsewhere. Yocoxcayotl!

[johnswackyworld]

all true from my research and its documented very well. an unfortunate incident of my hometown's past. book has been written called the incident at massena and hopefully a movie someday..john