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  • so always having the car in a neutral position is ideal when taking corners? except when it's AWD cause the extra slip angle and throttle to make use of those front wheel power would cause the car to turn-in tighter?

  • zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz­zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • I've only after waking up

  • This is quite basic stuff but having a good feel for how much the slip angle of the tyres is one of the most important things for fast lap times and not to steer with just the wheel when ur at the absolute limet but the pedals aswell.

    For any beginner driver there a good starting point and one thing also its not where you begin braking its where and how you finish braking that is more important.

  • 85 ppl were bad in school

  • He says some Awesome Science on Auto Racing... "Devil in the Details", and that's what separates "OK" from "Best"...

  • I am sorry to see that your first video met with so many dreadful comments mate. I enjoyed it and would happily sit through a series of these.

  • well clarkson doesnt go as fast as stig because he is not a race car driver oh yeah and clarkson screams "POOOWWWWWEEEERRRRRRR" easy as that

  • i wonder if anyone got pass the 1 min mark?

  • @davyoa Actually I did ! But yeah ok, I skipped some :)

  • now THAT my friend is the technology that they call "whiteboard"

  • @tradward lol

  • No disrespect but this comes across as a comedy video

  • Purpose of this seems to be mostly to insult Clarkson. How childish.

  • 2:04 Bacon!?

  • Well done presentation of some basic principals!!! Will check out your web-link.

    Boy ... reading some of the threaded postings was very depressing (so many people having such limited understanding ... )

  • I'll have to remember that next time the police pull me over for being tail-happy - "Sorry officer.... the car has an attitude angle..."

  • i wanted to learn how to drive..not another physics class. fml

  • Lol, all of that is not needed AT all. I'd say. Do what I did. Go out find a REALLY fuckn twisty road. Go through it first, normal speed, go back again a little faster, test out how the car feels and how it handles, then slowly push it more and more and before you know it you'll be comfortable with how fast you're going and you'll be going nuts as fuck.

  • Great vid. It's very hard to explain this kind of thing to most people, but you seem to do it quite well. On a downhill course I can get a very minimal slip angle with my Focus, and it cuts out a lot of understeer, allows me to corner a lot faster than normal. But I suspect it's because the Focus suspension setup is for mild oversteer/neutral steer. =)

  • WTF

  • mann let me stick to my racing games. -.- i dont understand wth hes saying

  • go play forza 3 and soon 4.its way better the need for speed

  • Want a good tutorial go play Need for speed

  • fail on you mate, fail!

  • What is attitude angle? Direction of force?

  • the trick is weight shifting, if you use a really tiny feint motion going into a corner, while holding the grip, you will be able to enter corners faster

  • 0:16 fail

  • Stig has his own ECU in his Suit.

  • Well considering I race in the F3 Euro series, I'd have some idea of how to drive a car fast. And what your saying is not the fastest way you can drive, it may seem cool to your buddies. But I can assure you the fastest way around a corner is not to exceed grip levels and pitch the car around a corner as it isn't faster and it ruins your tyres. It is keeping the car on the limit of adhesion throughout braking, cornering and exit.

    Find me a video of a F1 driver sliding a car, retard.

  • @macka311

    LOL LOL

    This video is about slip angle not sliding, retard. And that is the basics, even kids from younger karting series know such things. I dont know how can you call yourself professional without knowing it. There are alot of shitty drivers in F3 Euro series and you must be one of them. Another renta driver, arent you?

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  • @formsdn He's talking about driving the car past the maximum grip value on the tyre, letting the rears slide and lose grip because the slip angle has become to great for the tyre to work. And I'm saying that although it looks cool to your buddies with the tail out because your gone past the limit of adhesion. It isn't the fastest way of driving.

    Especially when you have high downforce corners with wings

  • Welldone.

  • thank you very much, Very well explained. Video could be "made" a little better, lights are in a bad place and cause a hectic reflection.

  • 1) Be a billionaire

    2) Buy a Veyron

    3) ???

    4) Profit!

  • Kind of a skewed comparison, IMO. Clarkson flicks the car hard and hangs the tail out as wide as he can, creating as much smoke as he can, before (or sometimes does) spinning out. Clarkson has a bunch of fun with the car, I haven't seen him out there trying to put down lap times, most of the time he doesn't even mind the lines at all. The stig is trying to get it around the track as quickly as possible. As I said, you're comparing people out there with 2 different purposes on the track...

  • This is for people with no common sense... not for me!

  • WELL DONE CAPTAIN OBVIOUS

  • @Spoksy Obvious to you maybe, but not everybody. Not everybody is as smart as you.

  • Thanks for that vid! Can you show it real...for better imagine?

  • so DRIFTING basically

  • @Sasori327

    His showing the momentum of the car is traveling forward while the wheels/steering wheel is turning the car around the corner, his saying that if you can keep the car under balance throughout the corner you will go much faster.

  • Most people commenting here, don't even know the fact, that all car tires have either a slight toe angle in or out, depending on the purpose of the car (everyday use, sport use on tarmac or gravel i.e. rally) and aren't even aware of what Slip Diff. is nor what it is for.

    Not to mention that the Slip Angle doesn't have that much to do with Under/Oversteer, but more of about the point where the car's weight kick in, the steering takes effect and the tire grip is fully used for max.driving speed.

  • /watch?v=6bx3RO7FaRA&NR=1

  • Hola alguien tradusca plz no entiendoo :(

    and who is jeremy?

  • @jh0ssimar Que no entiendes? Jeremy Clarkson es el conductor de un programa automotriz britanico (Top gear) en donde prueban carros nuevos y los comparan con otros.

  • dude driving is not learnt on a board. the stig has thousands of hours racing experience thats what makes him so fast, not some lame ass white board sketch

  • @steven6996 LOL, the "Stig" is not one person. He's essentially the random driver of the week that Top Gear can get their hands on. His "Power Lap" is really about 30 laps which they film and take the best parts for the show. His driving on the "Power Lap" is not maximized for speed, and is largely for show. Real racing does not include the ridiculous oversteer and corner cutting seen on Top Gear.

  • That's right... in just 4 minutes and eights seconds... you can learn all the you need to know to go out and win races.

  • This guy just made racing boring. WTF????

  • Jeez, Mark Skaife has aged terribly since retiring. Poor guy's getting lonely, taken to making race-craft vids for YouTube.

  • A very good video. To understand this would improve anybody's speed. Apply this theory into your technique and it would shave seconds off your time.

  • let me summarize what he just said in one sentence. "press the accelerator pedal."

  • a sincere thanks for the video sir! 

  • FF cars don't HAVE to under steer. You can add a ton of rear camber

  • reason why the FF cars have under steer its because its not getting grip to power the car. cause the tires to spin without turning. adding wait to the back will only cause more under steer causing the center of gravity to more in the rear.

  • not a very smart statement

  • Rear camber to counter a front end problem, genious.

  • I always thought the Stig could drive faster becuase he was an F1 driver...

  • actually he can drive fast because he has a humongous speed dick.

  • @thefallguy1986 He's not, he's a test driver and a nascar racer actually that's been in the Formula 3000 races. Also, just because someone's a Formula 1 driver, doesn't make them the best driver in the world; Tiff Needell beat David Coulthard twice in racing on Fifth Gear! :P

  • I meant it as a bit of a joke.. you know because the stig has been "revealed" as Michael Schumacher and other F1 drivers at times...

  • @Larmour

    Tiff used to be a pro driver I believe

  • @kevcsmith Yes but that was donks ago, and it shows that Formula 1 drivers aren't the bees' knees! :P

  • rofl...

  • um when i drive i feel my way around the turns

  • lol... he's talking about racing like hotlapping not sunday driving or speeding downtown.everyone can feel that.you could countersteer in emergency situations for example but at high speed like racedrivers go you would go panic and spin out or be as slow as Clarkson compared to the Stig :)

  • very interesting ^^

  • Well, I get the point behind this. I see what is being explained, but this is only saying what happens. It does not give instruction on how to do it best.

  • I'm sorry but you do not tell us how to drive "really really fast". You tell us what happens when you go around a corner. Very detailed though.

  • driving really fast straight is pretty straight forward, how u handle a corner in a tracked race makes the difference in race times, so it is pretty important to learn how to handle a corner properly when racing

  • too much theory ! more practicE! ... i'm not really a theoratical person :P

  • nice powerpoint presention

  • interesting stuff.. Do i have to pay anything?

  • basically the best line you cant take involves a combination of grip and drift.

    Front end keeps as close as possible to grip line while back gives you the angle you need to best that corner.

  • Great vid!

  • Cool :). Anymore videos on the same theme with maybe "samples"?

  • thx fot the vid man, and keep doing the good job !

  • excellent vid, nice to hear neutral steer explained in a methodical way. Any chance of a vid showing how an adjustible anti-rollbar system can be used to balance the handling of a car???

  • then you can transfer all this in to a real car or race car... why I use karts like example?, because they don´t have shock absorbers, so you get 100% feedback from it and every little twist you do with your hands the car will respond to it until it looses traction, wich is the "feel" you are looking for.. (continues)...

  • the exact point where it looses that rear or front grip... so the fastest way to drive trought a cornes it to stay closer to that "grip line" and don´t loose the car.

    hope it helps to explain better what it has being discused on this video..

    Great video!

    Greetings from Mexico.

  • Thanks for your comments, Surfo. The "attitude angle" is what tells you when you are approaching maximum grip. You feel the increasing attitude angle, as you build cornering force.

  • And feels AWSOME!!! :)

  • so whats the tcick

  • interesting stuff, just new wtf he was on about the whole time. Whats an attitude angle?

  • Buy a real car (muscle) and powerslide. Slower through the corner, but oh so much fun.

  • wats this???physics class?

  • racing cars don't drive in this way... wtf is he saying ?

  • Using all available grip in every phase of the corner is quickest, not slow in fast out. The Stig balances the car on the limit, using the feedback he is getting, primarily the change in attitude angle.

  • Excellent videos! Listen though I really think its interesting and original what your doing so don't let these mindless idiots get you because I bet most of them think there hot shit because they can go fast in a straight line haha! Keep the videos coming!

  • Thanks for your comments, MetalHead

  • I completely agree with you metal head, i think people just think you just get in a racing car and go... However you can see by racingcartech, soz forgotten your name, that there are major forces at work here, i study physics at university and believe me we talk about forces all the time with car tyres, ppl think more BHP means you go faster, well great tyres help heaps! Also looking at his diagram you can see how important regidity is in your racing car. Are you based in melbourne RCTECH???

  • No he doesn't you idiot he might slow down a little but not alot

  • that's the same method i use slow in fast out.

  • What language is your comment in?

  • @stevenshortt1

    You are a bit off there. You want to brake BEFORE the turn and put your self in the correct gear if possible for the exit. Enter the turn at the maximum speed you can with control. And at the apex start squeezing the throttle on until you have a good line and maximum speed.

  • @kevcsmith Took the words out my mouth !! stevenshortt wants to ''drop it a gear'' mid corner with a LSD and find out what happens ! ha ha ha oooops . . . bouncing off the walls with the diff locking up i see ! tut tut

  • @stevenshortt1 lol learn to type properly

  • In the video I refer to Michael Schumacher's comment that the best drivers have a "feel" for the car. He said, "You have to have the senses in your whole body, that come up to your brain, and then ,in the end, you have to transfer the information to the steering wheel (and/or throttle). It is how you do this that is the difference between drivers."

    The feedback the driver is feeling is the change in the "attitude angle".

  • its called drifting...

  • The shortest distance between two points is a straight line so treat corners like trying to get from point A to point B the Entrance and Exit least amount of imputs is closer to a straight line...

  • I've hard that best way to get around a track quicker is to steer less....

  • Yay, freebody diagrams. I assume this all means that the fastest way round any course is staying on the preferred line, with all four tires just at the limit of adhesion?

  • All 4 tyres just at the limit is the ideal. Sometimes car design will work against that eg heavy front or rear weight.

  • I think the most difficult thing for the driver is to "feel" the car, know the slip angle of the tires while driving, and the change of the weight shifting. Thanks a lot for the valuable lesson.

  • so stick to the inside of the corners is what your saying...

  • The racing driver still follows his intended path through the corner. He can maintain his line in spite of understeer or oversteer by immediately applying steering or throttle corrections.

  • nice explanation.... ta very much!

  • Interesting.

  • I thought you could take corners faster without sliding, or drifting

  • This is true. I did not make that clear enough in the video. In the example, the tyres are not sliding. The tyre slip angles causes the the vehicle to adopt an attitude angle. There is a peak value of slip angle where the tyre achieves maximum grip and therefore fastest possible cornering. If you push past that, the tyres will slide, and as you point out the car will be slower.

  • Great video, Maybe you could include a Slip angle vs Lateral force curve in the next vid. Also Explain how self aligning torque is one of the main ways drivers feel the limits of the car.

  • ..........er yeh what he just said ^^

    : /

  • top gear rules

  • That was a great physics lesson. However is Clarkson Really that slow? He looked rather fast in that Ford GT that he drove in the states and all of other cars as well.

  • You're right. I'm trying to send Jeremy up a bit. He would be able to drive very well, with all his experience. But in racing terms, if he was 2 seconds a lap slower than the Stig around their test track, then this would make him slow. Remember at the Nurburgring, that "Bridgette" was just faster than Jeremy, but she was driving the van, and Jeremy was driving a Jag (diesel I think)

  • she was actually a little slower than Jeremy if i remember correctly

  • the stigs a boy

  • the stig wasnt driving the nurburgring

  • drifting, power slding...

  • nice clear explanation...

  • Drifting 101...

  • thanks, would like more vidoes like this.

  • Great. Will do.

  • very informative.... good diagrams..

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