The demand is there: the biggest users of the H1B are the Indian outsourcing firms: Tata, Winpro and Infosys. The H1B has loopholes that allow H1Bs to be paid less than a prevailing wage. There are about 1.5M jobs skilled worker jobs held by foreign visa hold at a time when American college kids cannot get jobs. If H1B was reformed to let in only the rare workers and the cheap labor was deported, then the unemployment rates of native born college kids would be zero
Yes, we need the best and brightest too bad virtually none of the 85K H1Bs that come each year are of that caliber. Even if they cant come they dont compete against us, they simply work for the multi-nationals like Microsoft in their own country. Even if they are the B&B they dont need to be here; all the multi-nationals have a presence in almost every country and can put these rare workers to work there.
When you open up a slot at a tech company, you automatically create 5 jobs any way; it doesnt matter if they are a H1B or native born worker. However, when you hire a local workers there is the change that they may be a Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, Paul Allen or Bill Gates. To date NO H1B has risen to that status. Yes, Senator, you are taking jobs; NCIS studies have shown that H1B/L1 workers displace native born workers with cheap disposable foreign labor. What Senator Gregg says is a lie.
Senator Gregg says Lets attract Smart people. How do you define and test for smartness and those who dont measure up simply dont get in sounds very Nazi to me. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Larry Ellison, the founders of the most successful technolog companies of all time, were college drop outs and academic failures. Einstein was a C student. By Senator Greggs standard they would never get into the country.
Yes, we are a nation of immigrants BUT NOT a nation of H1Bs! Yes, we need to attract the best and brightest; however, H1B does not do that because its completely random. 85-90% of H1Bs is entry level and earns less than $50K/year some as low as $9/hour; only 5-10% is the rare workers earning over $200K/year that Senator Gregg is referring to.
H1bs are not immigrants they are guest workers- NIVs(None Immigrant Visa holders). Most H1Bs are not highly skilled rare workers but are low paid entry level workers according to NCIS study. No H1B has ever founded a Fortune 500 company. H1B cannot be brining in the best and brightest its completely random.
excellent... anybody who wants to work in tech must speak hindu.... most IT shops in the US are now staffed by incompetent indians, and cast system minded indians only hire indians...
Twistedboomer, the problem wid people like u is the same american arrogance that many of us have and thats "WE ARE THE BEST". I have worked wid these H1B candidates. You want ur breaks and u wont sacrifice ur time for the company. But these people are very aggressive in work. And Senator is correct when he says 1H1b creates 5 US jobs. Look at google/sun microsystem/etc etc. They have been started by people who once came on H1b.Look at our healthcare We r way behind asain countries and their docs
U talk like a company rat. We're going to work at unionizing the valley & jokers like U will get the sh** kicked out of U for this kind of talk. U want an education? Read labor history in the US and LEARN SOMETHING. So who was the H1B who started Sun?
Just because you need a calculator for 2x2 and an immigrant doesnt need it, dont be jealous. How do u term urself smarter than these people. Do u know that top 5% of the techies at Microsoft are 96% indians. The problem is that if we oppose programs like this, it wil bite us somewhere. Remember, globalization means everyone eats the cake. Otherwise, 60% of caterpillar sales are in asian countries. They will also protect their own products and their markets. US cant eat this cake alone.
Indians are some of the worst engineers in the world. Go to India and see 4 yourself.
Most Indians are stupid, unmotivated, unable to solve problems, poor communicators, slow, and they stink to boot.
Time 4 them to return 2 india and build some more bridges & buildings that fall over. In the interim, they can go back to making rugs and eating sh**.
Why is it that when American defend their right to keep their jobs in their country they are racist, but when assholes like you call them racists without even knowing what the term means, it's not racism? India is one of the most xenophobic, protectionist countries on the planet next to China.
Tell me how its not racist to take jobs away from Black American engineers since you're so fucking wise.
You have no real response for that since you are an idiot
Bill Gates has already moved some part of his headquarters in vancouver because of our immigration policies. If Obama maniacs like you will try to protect urself, guys like him will eventualy move out of US. 56% of the companies in San jose-silicon valley is owned by immigrants. If you want to kick them out, lets kick all of them, so they we will have more unemployment. IF YOU'RE THE BEST, WHY WUD UR COMPANY HIRE H1B'S.
Yer picking a bad role model. I think it's time for Bill Gates to take his act to India where he can set up shop and STAY THERE. His crummy software fits in nicely with the Indian culture. It's time to cut off his air supply & he can take John Chambers & Ellison with him.
Ok, do one thing. Goto washington and set urslf on fire. Protest against H1B's. Im sure the government will listen to u after ur death and ur soul will rip!!!. People like u and unions like GM are responsible for fucking up this economy and obviously CEO like AIG ones. Now u need a scapegoat. Go tell ur Prez to find the right solution to fix the economy instead of making harsh comments on immigrants. Not even a single good word has bee said to get a good sentiment about economy.
Are u a GM union employee. Yes, u shud be the best. If youre being paid $74/hour, u have to be the best worker in the world. Well, now u can enjoy the blood youve sucked out of people for a long long time. Big 3 will and should go down, but the taxpayesr money is gone down the drain. Better outsource the $74 jobs, because the same quality of work can be done in India/china for $3/hour. And yes, $3/hour is not victimization in these countries. They can enjoy their life. Its all abt $ difference
On February 12, 1982 Vinod Khosla, Andy Bechtolsheim, and Scott McNealy, all Stanford graduate students, founded Sun Microsystems Wikipedia you moron. U guyz dont even know to use google effectively.
The first one, came on a visa to the US. Twisted Boomer, all that i can say is that instead of pointing fingers on H1, which form like 1% of the total workforce, the government shud concentrate in getting the economy running. I am on H1 and laid off. The people who u are targeting, most of us have already been laid off. When the economy is buzzing, we will get jobs after you get. So i dont understand what the fuss is about. We are not taking away ur job now as we ourselves are laid off.
This is my last post to u. Not because im afraid or running away, cos its getting nasty wid u. I have been here for the last 6 years. did my education here. Have many more american friends than asians and hang out wid them almost every weekend. Unfortunately, just to show ma frustration, im speaking bad abt american people in general which i dont mean at all. I like and love people here. Its because of u im getting to this level that i myself is ashamed off. Please spread love instead of war
The first lesson you can learn, having been in America, is to play it straight and cut the bullsh**. You struck out TWICE on your claims that both Google and Sun were founded by foreigners on the H1B visa program.
In the case of Google, you ran into someone knows the visa status of its founders. Same at Sun which formed in 1982. H1B visas weren't used before the early 1990's.
H1B is just another corporate subsidy, which we DON'T NEED here.
None of them were H1Bs; H1B started in 1990 so it had nothing to do with Khosla or Bechtolsheim coming to the US. Khosla was non-technical basically and accountant; Bechtolsheim can from Germany not China or India.
I have worked with them. theyre the best. Im in medical industry since the last 20 years. And am married to an indian doc. They are the best because of their education back home.
That doesn't say much for your abilities. H1B Visas are specifically designed to force DOWN wages of all workers. They were first lobbied by that prick David Packard (HP) as a way of importing cheap engineers for his sh*t company. Gates is just as bad, if not worse.
I met an Indian physician once. It was last year, in fact. He thought that U could contract diabetes by eating too many apples. I asked him how many was "too many" he said he didn't know, but maybe a bushel or so a day would do it.....
Next time U get advice from an Indian doctor, RUN don't walk to the nearest exit.
Does anyone really think that immigrants who have a Phd in computer science of health field (or other key fields) will really be a drain on our economy?
Andrew Carnegie Einstein and Sergey Brin of google aren't exactly home grown.. But they profoundly changed the American economy.
Carnegie & Einstein became American citizens. The old-fashioned way.
I've met Sergey & Larry. Sergey is a bright guy but NOT an H1B visa recipient. From Wikipedia:
"Brin emigrated to the United States at the age of six due to his familys educational barriers in the Soviet Union. Earning his undergraduate degree at the University of Maryland, he followed in his father's and grandfather's footsteps by studying mathematics, double-majoring in computer science."
Its the attitude of the family and the culture that made him great and not the education system. Cos most of u need calculators for doing a 2x2. Accept it. I mean the truth Cos u know u do that all the time
What bothers me is that there are a lot of skilled immigrants that we have trained in our University system. We spend billions of dollars every year to educating foriegn immigrants in areas we have huge shortages. They can get a student visa but they can't get a work visa. So they go home to their home country to compete with US workers and US companies..
Its as Microsoft was training Google's workforce... That is brilliant!!!
The H-1b is not about the best and brightest. It is about exploiting people. The program is riddled with fraud and abuse. The top sponsors of H-1b visas happen to be offshore outsourcing firms.
Judd Gregg has no clue as to what the H-1b visa really does. Or perhaps he does - which makes his comments appalling.
It is a mistake for Obama to make this man a part of his cabinet. It makes no sense to continue supporting a program that harms American tech workers.
The demand is there: the biggest users of the H1B are the Indian outsourcing firms: Tata, Winpro and Infosys. The H1B has loopholes that allow H1Bs to be paid less than a prevailing wage. There are about 1.5M jobs skilled worker jobs held by foreign visa hold at a time when American college kids cannot get jobs. If H1B was reformed to let in only the rare workers and the cheap labor was deported, then the unemployment rates of native born college kids would be zero
linuxguru1968 2 years ago
Yes, we need the best and brightest too bad virtually none of the 85K H1Bs that come each year are of that caliber. Even if they cant come they dont compete against us, they simply work for the multi-nationals like Microsoft in their own country. Even if they are the B&B they dont need to be here; all the multi-nationals have a presence in almost every country and can put these rare workers to work there.
linuxguru1968 2 years ago
When you open up a slot at a tech company, you automatically create 5 jobs any way; it doesnt matter if they are a H1B or native born worker. However, when you hire a local workers there is the change that they may be a Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, Paul Allen or Bill Gates. To date NO H1B has risen to that status. Yes, Senator, you are taking jobs; NCIS studies have shown that H1B/L1 workers displace native born workers with cheap disposable foreign labor. What Senator Gregg says is a lie.
linuxguru1968 2 years ago
Senator Gregg says Lets attract Smart people. How do you define and test for smartness and those who dont measure up simply dont get in sounds very Nazi to me. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Larry Ellison, the founders of the most successful technolog companies of all time, were college drop outs and academic failures. Einstein was a C student. By Senator Greggs standard they would never get into the country.
linuxguru1968 2 years ago
Yes, we are a nation of immigrants BUT NOT a nation of H1Bs! Yes, we need to attract the best and brightest; however, H1B does not do that because its completely random. 85-90% of H1Bs is entry level and earns less than $50K/year some as low as $9/hour; only 5-10% is the rare workers earning over $200K/year that Senator Gregg is referring to.
linuxguru1968 2 years ago
H1bs are not immigrants they are guest workers- NIVs(None Immigrant Visa holders). Most H1Bs are not highly skilled rare workers but are low paid entry level workers according to NCIS study. No H1B has ever founded a Fortune 500 company. H1B cannot be brining in the best and brightest its completely random.
linuxguru1968 2 years ago
Well there's another traitor for your money America?
Dagdason 2 years ago
excellent... anybody who wants to work in tech must speak hindu.... most IT shops in the US are now staffed by incompetent indians, and cast system minded indians only hire indians...
BoycottH1BCompanies 2 years ago
Judd Gregg = traitor, anti American worker, anti union.
American engineers ARE the best and brightest in the world, bar none, with OR WITHOUT a level playing field.
HIB is pure expoitation plain and simple.
Time for this a**h*** to move on down the line....
twistedboomer 3 years ago
Twistedboomer, the problem wid people like u is the same american arrogance that many of us have and thats "WE ARE THE BEST". I have worked wid these H1B candidates. You want ur breaks and u wont sacrifice ur time for the company. But these people are very aggressive in work. And Senator is correct when he says 1H1b creates 5 US jobs. Look at google/sun microsystem/etc etc. They have been started by people who once came on H1b.Look at our healthcare We r way behind asain countries and their docs
kahvas 3 years ago
U talk like a company rat. We're going to work at unionizing the valley & jokers like U will get the sh** kicked out of U for this kind of talk. U want an education? Read labor history in the US and LEARN SOMETHING. So who was the H1B who started Sun?
twistedboomer 3 years ago
Just because you need a calculator for 2x2 and an immigrant doesnt need it, dont be jealous. How do u term urself smarter than these people. Do u know that top 5% of the techies at Microsoft are 96% indians. The problem is that if we oppose programs like this, it wil bite us somewhere. Remember, globalization means everyone eats the cake. Otherwise, 60% of caterpillar sales are in asian countries. They will also protect their own products and their markets. US cant eat this cake alone.
kahvas 3 years ago
Indians are some of the worst engineers in the world. Go to India and see 4 yourself.
Most Indians are stupid, unmotivated, unable to solve problems, poor communicators, slow, and they stink to boot.
Time 4 them to return 2 india and build some more bridges & buildings that fall over. In the interim, they can go back to making rugs and eating sh**.
twistedboomer 2 years ago
So why do companies hire H1B's and not frustrated idiots like you. Racist jackass. Learn something instead of making $74/hour.
kahvas 2 years ago
Why is it that when American defend their right to keep their jobs in their country they are racist, but when assholes like you call them racists without even knowing what the term means, it's not racism? India is one of the most xenophobic, protectionist countries on the planet next to China.
Tell me how its not racist to take jobs away from Black American engineers since you're so fucking wise.
You have no real response for that since you are an idiot
Dagdason 2 years ago
Bill Gates has already moved some part of his headquarters in vancouver because of our immigration policies. If Obama maniacs like you will try to protect urself, guys like him will eventualy move out of US. 56% of the companies in San jose-silicon valley is owned by immigrants. If you want to kick them out, lets kick all of them, so they we will have more unemployment. IF YOU'RE THE BEST, WHY WUD UR COMPANY HIRE H1B'S.
kahvas 3 years ago
Yer picking a bad role model. I think it's time for Bill Gates to take his act to India where he can set up shop and STAY THERE. His crummy software fits in nicely with the Indian culture. It's time to cut off his air supply & he can take John Chambers & Ellison with him.
twistedboomer 3 years ago
Ok, do one thing. Goto washington and set urslf on fire. Protest against H1B's. Im sure the government will listen to u after ur death and ur soul will rip!!!. People like u and unions like GM are responsible for fucking up this economy and obviously CEO like AIG ones. Now u need a scapegoat. Go tell ur Prez to find the right solution to fix the economy instead of making harsh comments on immigrants. Not even a single good word has bee said to get a good sentiment about economy.
kahvas 2 years ago
No, I have a better idea. We'll find YOU, take you to Judd Greg's office in washington and set YOU on fire.
twistedboomer 2 years ago
Are u a GM union employee. Yes, u shud be the best. If youre being paid $74/hour, u have to be the best worker in the world. Well, now u can enjoy the blood youve sucked out of people for a long long time. Big 3 will and should go down, but the taxpayesr money is gone down the drain. Better outsource the $74 jobs, because the same quality of work can be done in India/china for $3/hour. And yes, $3/hour is not victimization in these countries. They can enjoy their life. Its all abt $ difference
kahvas 2 years ago
Hey Jacka**, U still haven't answered my question: which H1B was it who founded Sun Microsystems? (your claim NOT mine).
I'm waiting 4 UR answer...
twistedboomer 2 years ago
On February 12, 1982 Vinod Khosla, Andy Bechtolsheim, and Scott McNealy, all Stanford graduate students, founded Sun Microsystems Wikipedia you moron. U guyz dont even know to use google effectively.
kahvas 2 years ago
so which one wuz here on H1B?
twistedboomer 2 years ago
The first one, came on a visa to the US. Twisted Boomer, all that i can say is that instead of pointing fingers on H1, which form like 1% of the total workforce, the government shud concentrate in getting the economy running. I am on H1 and laid off. The people who u are targeting, most of us have already been laid off. When the economy is buzzing, we will get jobs after you get. So i dont understand what the fuss is about. We are not taking away ur job now as we ourselves are laid off.
kahvas 2 years ago
This is my last post to u. Not because im afraid or running away, cos its getting nasty wid u. I have been here for the last 6 years. did my education here. Have many more american friends than asians and hang out wid them almost every weekend. Unfortunately, just to show ma frustration, im speaking bad abt american people in general which i dont mean at all. I like and love people here. Its because of u im getting to this level that i myself is ashamed off. Please spread love instead of war
kahvas 2 years ago
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twistedboomer 2 years ago
The first lesson you can learn, having been in America, is to play it straight and cut the bullsh**. You struck out TWICE on your claims that both Google and Sun were founded by foreigners on the H1B visa program.
In the case of Google, you ran into someone knows the visa status of its founders. Same at Sun which formed in 1982. H1B visas weren't used before the early 1990's.
H1B is just another corporate subsidy, which we DON'T NEED here.
Go Back 2 India Mac.
twistedboomer 2 years ago
None of them were H1Bs; H1B started in 1990 so it had nothing to do with Khosla or Bechtolsheim coming to the US. Khosla was non-technical basically and accountant; Bechtolsheim can from Germany not China or India.
linuxguru1968 2 years ago
Judd Gregg is a traitor, how does he get elected.
YragQuillo 3 years ago
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normality123 3 years ago
I have worked with them. theyre the best. Im in medical industry since the last 20 years. And am married to an indian doc. They are the best because of their education back home.
kahvas 3 years ago
That doesn't say much for your abilities. H1B Visas are specifically designed to force DOWN wages of all workers. They were first lobbied by that prick David Packard (HP) as a way of importing cheap engineers for his sh*t company. Gates is just as bad, if not worse.
twistedboomer 3 years ago
I met an Indian physician once. It was last year, in fact. He thought that U could contract diabetes by eating too many apples. I asked him how many was "too many" he said he didn't know, but maybe a bushel or so a day would do it.....
Next time U get advice from an Indian doctor, RUN don't walk to the nearest exit.
twistedboomer 2 years ago
Hahaha. U a gm employee right. Probably the doctor thought u shud die for the bettermet of peoople. he said the right thing.
kahvas 2 years ago
So now U have a claim 2 clairvoyance? U can make a good living reading tarot cards & doing horoscopes, esp. in India. Destiny is calling U2 move back!
While UR at it, get a new spell-checker so U can stop sounding like an ignorant hillbilly.
twistedboomer 2 years ago
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Go and die you fucking cunt, piece of shit! Jud Gregg, asshole and cocksucker, fucking republican!
wodanowitz 3 years ago
Judd Gregg steps down! This is a good day for America! Step down and stay the h_ll out of politics - Judd Gregg you socialist.
ChicagoJoe57 3 years ago
Does anyone really think that immigrants who have a Phd in computer science of health field (or other key fields) will really be a drain on our economy?
Andrew Carnegie Einstein and Sergey Brin of google aren't exactly home grown.. But they profoundly changed the American economy.
davidmesaaz 3 years ago
Carnegie & Einstein became American citizens. The old-fashioned way.
I've met Sergey & Larry. Sergey is a bright guy but NOT an H1B visa recipient. From Wikipedia:
"Brin emigrated to the United States at the age of six due to his familys educational barriers in the Soviet Union. Earning his undergraduate degree at the University of Maryland, he followed in his father's and grandfather's footsteps by studying mathematics, double-majoring in computer science."
twistedboomer 2 years ago
Its the attitude of the family and the culture that made him great and not the education system. Cos most of u need calculators for doing a 2x2. Accept it. I mean the truth Cos u know u do that all the time
kahvas 2 years ago
stupid troll. go back 2 india & take ur "doctor" w/you. you'll be dead in 5 years to the benefit of everyone else on the planet.
twistedboomer 2 years ago
Well he was born overseas... His family came to the United States to study...
davidmesaaz 2 years ago
What bothers me is that there are a lot of skilled immigrants that we have trained in our University system. We spend billions of dollars every year to educating foriegn immigrants in areas we have huge shortages. They can get a student visa but they can't get a work visa. So they go home to their home country to compete with US workers and US companies..
Its as Microsoft was training Google's workforce... That is brilliant!!!
davidmesaaz 3 years ago
The H-1b is not about the best and brightest. It is about exploiting people. The program is riddled with fraud and abuse. The top sponsors of H-1b visas happen to be offshore outsourcing firms.
Judd Gregg has no clue as to what the H-1b visa really does. Or perhaps he does - which makes his comments appalling.
It is a mistake for Obama to make this man a part of his cabinet. It makes no sense to continue supporting a program that harms American tech workers.
floridacoder 3 years ago