@weldon29 No, be careful. I am comparing breaking the law in Iran with breaking the law in the USA. I am comparing how our Western entertainment industry portrays those who fight people who break the law in those two different countries.
And finally, I am making mention to Marjane Satrapi's dirty business in Iran. She was one of the "witnesses" of election fraud in 2009 while living thousands of km away in France and demanding regime change for the US Department of State.
It's funny to me that you compare the rebellious Iranians unfavorably to Americans. America was founded on the principle that it's good to rebel against an oppressive government.
The cops in the 20s were good because they were fighting mobsters who did business using scare tactics and violence, not because they stopped people from drinking alcohol. You entirely missed the point of both movies.
@Bananapocolypse Why do you find it funny? Have you taken the trouble to study about Iran free from the lenses of our Western propaganda, or cared to express your condolences to the families of the hundreds or thousands of innocent people and security forces killed in Iran by the mafias and terrorists who feed themselves from the trafficking of alcohol?
How does it make Iranian and American cops different? Oh yes, because Iranians are not secularized Westerners, so they deserve no pity.
@germanicus24 I find it funny because you are criticizing the Iranians for doing exactly what America was founded on - rebelling against an opressive government. The 20s mafia was RIGHT to fight prohibition. They were WRONG to use violence and scare tactics. If you bothered to read Persepolis (or watch it) you'd know that Marjane's family is subjected to violence and scare tactics from the Iranian govt, which makes the Iranian govt morally wrong. It's so simple a child could understand.
@Bananapocolypse Again I ask you, did you even care to study Iran away from the thick layers of propaganda that we get in the West? Have you even bothered to travel there to see for yourself or befriended people from all sides of the Iranian political spectrum to make up your own mind?
Clearly not, and by parroting our Western media mantra on the evilness of the democratically elected Iranian government, you are just showing your utter lack of respect for the people you claim to care about.
@Bananapocolypse Apparently you just take the whims of a few ones who are given the spotlight, like Marjane Satrapi, as your infallible spokesmen for reality.
Your negligence to study reality with your own intellect explains for you being a mouthpiece of third people's agendas, rather than a human being sincerely concerned, one fair to the wills of nations he has bothered to comprehend, and exercising critical thinking towards what is served to him in the comfort of his couch.
@Bananapocolypse It is actually you who is criticizing the Iranians for rebelling against the oppressive claws of NATO and the US, the biggest genocides and warmongers recorded by contemporary history. Because you adhere to their demonizing propaganda - one you never even cared to cross-examine but swallowed willingly - and deny Iranians the right to be self-determined, trying to impose your own beliefs onto them.
@patachu666 Why does Iran need a revolution? Because the Iranian people refuse to please your own personal whims? So much for the tolerance and freedom of expression of our Westerner secularists ^^
You have decided already so there is no piont in me discusing with you.
I will just repeat that the alcohol ban failed in the USA wich is a fact and you can't debate on facts and that Freedom is about a person's right to make choises. A person's Rights stop where the Rights of every other person's begin.
@annarerri I decided after actually caring enough to go to Iran to see for myself rather than sitting on my couch to watch a movie and let it tell me how things go.
This video has nothing to do with the law, it has to do with how those enforcing the exact same law are portrayed in Western entertainment industry, and the hypocrisy is quite arrant.
Every nation should have the self-determination to decide its own law, and you are nobody to force Iranians to adapt to your selfish personal whims.
The alcohol ban in the USA failed misserably because people will drink if they want to and will do bad or good because they want to. No goverment must be the one that decides on ones freedom to drink or not, to smoke or not, to be religious or not. Freedom is about choises. If you can't choose for your self then you are not free.
I don't want to offend anybody but this is what i think the film is all about....
@annarerri I am not talking about the law itself, but about the portrayals of those enforcing it, in our Western media industry.
No government enforces religion. Are European governments religious (in contrast to e.g. native Amazonian tribes) because they demand people to cover their bodies in public or because they make poisonous substances illegal, such as asbestos, cocaine or ecstasy? Should we not have laws against murdering because it takes away the freedom to decide to murder or not?
@annarerri If alcohol should be legal/illegal is something debatable. Each nation can decide on its own. The vast majority of Iran fully agrees with the illegality of alcohol. Who are you or the French producers of this movie to demand Iran to adapt to your whims? Are you that intolerant for diversity of views in our world? Why should all countries consider legal/illegal the same things you do?
This movie isn't about freedoms, but cultural propaganda, racism, and classicism.
2:02 - wrong! There's no Talibans in Iran! Talibans hate Iranians, because Iranians are Shia Moslems, and Talibans are Sunni Moslems in "war" with Shias.
1) Talibans are NOT Sunni Muslims. They are Wahabis, allied of Saudi Arabia, CIA-empowered criminals, precisely the reason why they are against Iran and HAVE indeed committed terrorist attacks against Iranians, such as the slaughtering of the Iranian diplomatic mission in Afghanistan to name one of the latest.
2) The restriction of alcohol and other criminal activities in Iran is precisely the reason why there are few Taliban-allied elements in Iran.
@almuntazhar I call it propaganda because the author of this movie is a professional political propagandist, who claimed the martyrs who defended Iran from Saddam were a bunch of kids brainwashed to get 72 virgins in paradise, and several other anti-Islamic propaganda of the Salman Rushdie style, disrespecting the own Iranian people that she claims to care about. In 2009 Marjane Satrapi, the author of the Persian supremacist Persepolis novel and movie, claimed that elections in Iran were a fraud
@almuntazhar Hehe no way. Look at all the thumbs down and ignorant comments I have received here from people who claim to know it all about Iran by having watched an animated movie which is but a political pamphlet that they have called "art" :P
It is a brilliant graphic novel. But apparently, from your comments, you are a political ideologist. So chances are low you understand art. If you did, you wouldn't ask why the movie got coverage. That random dumb hollywood movie did not, by the way.
@RubenvonZwack Everybody is a political ideologist. Satrapi is no exception, and only someone very ignorant and naive can take seriously or as art her political pamphlet trying to make Iranians look irrational and backwards in order to justify us Westerners spending billions from our own tax payers to force a regime in Iran that is more friendly to our oppression of other oil rich nations of the Middle East.
@germanicus24 Of course you have every right to criticise her movie in the way you see it. Still, both the graphic novel and the movie have an enormous artistic quality.
@RubenvonZwack Who thinks beauty or intelligence have value on themselves? Both can be equally used for bringing good or bad to the world, depending on what direction is given to them. This is why we believers place an emphasis on the direction. A very intelligent person can save us from epidemics, but another very intelligent person can create weapon of mass destruction. Likewise, the usage of beauty is not something good on itself. It may be used to try to demonize a nation as does Satrapi.
@germanicus24 But so many films criticise countries and societies. If you wanted to tell your biography, you might want to criticise the country you grew up too.
@RubenvonZwack And I would love to see some genuine criticism of the Islamic Republic of Iran, because such criticism would allow it to improve.
However, nothing is gained from deceptions. What Satrapi does is not a criticism, it is plain lying, and having visited many provinces of Iran myself I have seen this with my own eyes.
You can watch Mohammad Marandi's comments referring to one of her many lies in a very interesting video called Academic Imperialism.
I see what is your point, the finances to terrorist movements with alcohol, but i don't believe that produce alcohol for your friends -illegaly- finances terrorism... Although, it's not only that, I mean, there are others points as: freedom, be relax, spend a time with your friends... you know the basics rights in a law state... it is a stupid thing keep alcohol forbiden, that make that violence keep going. and you're right in your comentary to uminatsuko...
@peque1204 It is not stupid to make alcohol illegal. You have no idea how safe Iran is thanks to the fact that all people are fully conscious 24/7 even with mayhems like Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan on its borders. Also it is not stupid when only in Spain alone some 5 women are killed by their drunk husbands every single day. It is Islamic law, and you calling it stupid just because it doesn't fit your personal tastes shows only an intolerance to cultural differences on your part.
@germanicus24 well, yeah maybe my comentary it's subjetive, i mean, I am not able to live in a country who punishment drink or produce alcohol (and I'm not alcoholic), but I believe one thing, if something it's forbiden then start a mafia because it's a good business to make money of a way fastest, you know, it's the same thing that happen with drugs; so I'm going to ask you: how many people are dead for the mafia? you say that traffic exists, and then compare it with the numbers that
@germanicus24 you gave me about spanish women. and I really don't believe you that people don't drink alcohol in Iran and they are conscious, I've never lived there, haven't you?...yes, you're right I'm not agree with forbiden alcohol, it's true, that is not movite to call that an idiot institution, I give my apologize. but still I'm not agree. and I respect others cultures but my point of view changes when this culture attempt with human rights this isn't the case, in this specific subject.
@peque1204 I have cared to travel through several provinces to see for myself, and I keep nearly hundreds of friends in many corners of Iran. Of course it is impressively safe (and gorgeous!). How tight would a EU country be if it was surrounded by Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan? People who die from alcohol mafia would be people involved in it, not innocent women who die at the hands of their drunk husbands. If you sincerely care about human rights (not the propaganda we receive against Iran)...
@peque1204 Lo importante es nunca dejar que terceras personas nos metan cosas en la cabeza sin dejarnos ejercer nuestro juicio crítico. Es esa la forma en que poblamos la mente de espejismos que nos dificultan ver la realidad con mayor claridad. Te invito cordialmente a revisar mi blog con algunas perspectivas alternativas, pues siento que es mi deber compartir algunas visiones interesantes que aprendí recorriendo Irán. Saludos de un chileno en Japón! :)
@germanicus24 putting everybody in a cell would keep them even more safe but safety is not everything. There has to be a good balance between safety and freedom. That's why driving drunk is bad but there is no good reason to ban alcohol altogether. Plus alcohol has tons more uses than drinking.
@sunset261 That is a typical fallacy that proves nothing altogether. Can you prove why every single society of the world should do just as you think is best?
@sunset261 All governments of the world operate on a religion. For some, this religion is Islam, for others it is Christianity, and for others it is Secularism. It was not Iran who killed millions in Iraq in the 1990s or in the 2000s. It was not Iran who killed millions in the USSR. As a matter of fact, the Islamic Republic of Iran was not behind any of the major genocides recorded in the history of human kind, but the governments operating on the religion of secularism and Atheism were.
@germanicus24 when i say religion i use the definition "The service and worship of god or the supernatural." in that regard, secularism is not a religion, nor is atheism. We are not talking about military actions, we are discussing what happens inside the country. How would you feel if the government suddenly enacted a state religion that wasn't yours? How can you possibly defend a government that has laws that allow censorship of things critical to islam or the regime?
@sunset261 Of course secularism is a religion. It believes in a thing called "dark matter" and "dark energy" that it has never seen and has never been able to detect, which exists beyond the boundaries of the material and detectable, and which explains to the secularist where the Universe comes from and how physical laws and the Universe's expansion hold up order. This is the same process a believer uses when he recognizes a Creator behind the order in nature.
@sunset261 You are very naive and brainwashed if you think one country censors and other doesn't. All governments and systems on the face of the planet and with any practical application are no exception. The real question is WHY and how well-informed the citizens are. Your naivety clearly shows the secularist system you worship keeps you ignorant of its censorship mechanisms, and it does so precisely because the reasons WHY it censors are not well intended. In contrast, Iran is transparent.
@sunset261 Iranians didn't "suddenly enacted a religion". What planet do you live in? Secularist fanatics like yourself were supporting the secularist dictatorship of the Shah there. The Quran clearly says religion must not be imposed, and Iran follows suit. Iranians chose the Islamic Republic for them, unlike Westerners who were imposed secularism by the Reign of Terror and hanging of tens of thousands of opponents in France.
@sunset261 Iran doesn't censor criticism, it cracks on destabilization attempts. Serve yourself and visit the country, and you will see how people criticize or praise the government in the streets on a daily basis and have been doing so since 1979 when the dictatorship of the Shah was overthrown. Now people in Iran are very politically aware and hold strong opinions in all fields. This is very healthy, unlike Western secularist indifference and alienation of peoples from politics.
@sunset261 The caricature that Iran is ruled by a group of evil/backwards men is very outdated and explains why billions of $ poured by the US/EU for regime change in Iran has never worked: They haven't even cared to understand their rival, reducing it to a ridiculous caricature away from reality. The fact that you parrot it shows you haven't put any effort in the issue. One can doubt whether you are really interested in Iranian people's wellbeing or just retransmit Soviet-like propaganda.
@sunset261 And if those who don't agree with Islam are supposedly persecuted in Iran, then how do you explain the fact that Iran is home to the biggest Jewish colony in the Middle East outside Israel? Or how do you explain the fact that religious minorities such as Zoroastrians, Jews, Armenian Christian, Christian Orthodox, etc. are guaranteed seats in the Majlis (Parliament) even when they don't have enough voters to get elected in a secular democracy? Sounds like you've been spoon fed sorry.
@v19d Why would have it been banned: Saddam led a secularist baathist dictatorship, not an Islamic Republic. He merely used Islam for his personal political gain, not because he was a Muslim.
@bakshi777 We would all like, but our Western media and entertainment industry will never allow for such films from Iran to reach us, and even less feature them with 5 stars globally as they do with any rubbish piece of anti Iranian propaganda like "Persepolis".
@torollu It is in a country where alcohol is not just illegal, but illegally introduced from the borders for the enemies of Iran to step up a cultural war of intoxicating the Iranian people, and when the culture of alcohol trafficking finances border terrorist movements (e.g. the PKK) which are responsible for slaughtering innocent nationals of Iran. Don't judge from the comfort of your couch. Iran has to guarantee safety to its people while surrounded by Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan...
Well, in my humble opinion, I don't believe it is accurate to compare these scenes of the two movies as if they portrayed the exact same situation. The circumstances are completely different--different countries, different times, different backgrounds, history and culture. Still, no one should watch a movie and take it as the ultimate portrait of reality. We should all be critical and have an opinion of our own, not just base our opinions on a single work of art. :)
@uminatsuko You are kindly invited to explain why the analogy is not accurate. The claim is very clear: Illegal trafficking of alcohol feeds a black market that promotes terrorism or gangs. While Hollywood shows the same struggle against crime as heroic when taking place in the US, Western cultural propaganda says the same battle against crime in Iran to prevent terrorism is reprehensible. Mind the double standards?
@germanicus24 Well, first of all, I think it's not proper for you to say "Western" as if the "west" was just one huge country with the exact same rules, moral and ways of thinking. France and America and very, very different. As for you comparison, I don't believe it's the same situation. Al Capone was a criminal who killed and hurt people to obtain money and power. Satrapi's uncle was just a guy who wanted a drink so he provided himself...
@uminatsuko I am a Westerner, but I am sufficiently honest to admit all our countries are hijacked. Just check all our external debts as % of our GDPs and realize we don't own anything we produce, we owe it to foreign bankers, and so we are all equally enslaved and right now Israel can massacre 20 humanitarian activists as we speak yet our Western governments will let them get away with it. Secondly, you have no clue how black market works in Iran. Point is Satrapi shows criminals as heroes.
@germanicus24 ...He didn't even buy it from the illegal market, he made his own wine. He was certainly not hurting anyone nor feeding crime by doing it. And I think you are missing a point here: it is banning which causes the crime. Banning something people consumes will create an illegal market, and the illegal market will indeed generate crime. But there is a huge difference between a guy who cultivates his own pot, for his personal consumption, and a drug lord...
@uminatsuko Try to find it within yourself: ALCOHOL IS ILLEGAL IN IRAN. Satrapi is portraying criminals as freedom fighters. Then lets legalize everything too. Lets show marihuana producers of the US as freedom fighters too and whenever the US military police raids their homes, lets report the US police to every NGO and show indeed what a dictatorship the US is . . .
@germanicus24 ...Also, everyone has the right to their own opinion. What some French producer thinks to be right, a Hollywood one might think to be wrong. That's not a double standard, it's diversity.
@uminatsuko Everyone has the right to their opinion, not everyone gets it featured worldwide thanks to Western media and its double standards which portray American police as heroes when they combat illegal alcohol, and Iranian police as dictators when they do the same.
I glorify the US lawmen? I thought Brian DePalma directed The Untouchables and that ABC produced the series.
The US Bill of Rights is no universal declaration of law for mankind. While you'd like to whine, your grudging from your couch is irrelevant in a country you have systematically intervened.
Iranians broke free from your superiority complex. A freedom on which they based their 98%-accepted constitution (unlike other constitutions/amendments imposed by the head honchos of the time).
Ok, so your video talks about alcohol and breaking the law to bring alcohol, but I think your underlying message goes far deeper than that, but I don't recognize what it is. Would you elaborate for me?
My guesses are:
Persepolis is a false interpretation of how things truly went in Iran's history.
Thus, Persepolis is creating negative propaganda against the Iranian government, on a global scale.
I'm an American, being constantly fed propaganda messages about the Middle East, from movies, tv shows, the internet, and the news report. The last big thing I remember was the big riot breaking out over the counterfeit elections. I was thinking to myself, how close these riots looked to the film Persepolis.
But I've never been to Iran, so I'm probably off on a certain scale about it. Could you explain to me what it is truly like over there? From your point of view?
Persepolis is not creating negative propaganda against the Iranian government. It goes far beyond that. Just look at its title: Persepolis, the former capital of the Persian empire. What it is implying is that Iranians are pure Aryans who should not submit to a racially inferior Arab culture (Islam). It is a same old and long standing propaganda that runs deep to cast division and hatred between Persians and Arabs and create separatism and quarrels in the Middle East for divide and conquer.
I can't fit what Iran is like in a YouTube 500-characters comment ; ) At the same time, it is not me or anyone else to tell you how things go there. Our world is in desperate need for alternative perspectives, and the practice of borrowing our understandings from third peoples should be declared obsolete. I am just trying to suggest the need for everyone to responsibly engage in learning and making use of critical thinking.
@aniki91344 The underlying point is: Stop taking third person's accounts as reality. This is a woman filled with hatred towards Islam but she is too coward to openly state so, else the entire nation of Iran would unanimously stand against her rather than having some naive ones falling for her fanatic propaganda of demonization.
In Belgium, my country, it is forbidden to drink and drive. During an alcohol control, a Belgian policeman will never point his weapon at you and say: " You'd be in hell without your wife". Certain drugs are illegal in Belgium but the police don't do drug raids where they punch people in the stomach and say: " here is my warrant ". If i was a leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran, i would not want germanicus24 as my PR-man. LoL!
"You'd be in hell without your wife". So you think this movie is accurate historically too? You don't make much sense yourself. You think this is an autobiography with factual statements and an unbiased presentation?
You are a funny person indeed, but inshAllah you will drop your arrogance and pride in your ignorance, so that you don't take your realities from movies, in respect for the peoples of the world.
The funniest thing is you claiming I take The Untouchables as historically correct, when not only I don't do this - rather addressing its symbolic elements and representations -, but it is you who, without any slightest interest in the people of Iran and the reality there, takes a movie for an ultimate truth.
And here is the kicker: You are a disgusting Pharisee, so little one wonders why you would make such a crappy argument to perpetuate the lies against those who you have been brainwashed by the Pharisee Tel-Aviv regime that they want to wipe you off maps haha.
But i like the comparison between the "good guys" in the Hollywood entertainment movie and the 15 year old with the gun in Persepolis. This young man has a gun and a good versus evil story to make his behavior seem wright. I prefer it, however, if people watch a mindless American gangster movie and identify with the hero if they want a power kick. Yes, i know, Al Capone is a historical figure, but do you think the American film in the clip is historically correct ?
Don't worry about being clueless. It just takes you to go to Iran to see for yourself and learn about the 15 years old who liberated a nation from the oppression we imposed on them and the millions of them we slaughtered to not lose our influences there ; )
It has nothing to do with historical accuracy of The Untouchables, but with the Western entertainment industry's incoherent caricatures of heroism (Kevin Costner) and evil (Iranian fundamentalists).
I believe I have a clear understanding on what germanicus wanted to tell us. He meant that there is no difference between two countries, two societies and that foreign media exaggerate the handful of truth against a country as obscene and not liberal. Where as comparing to a liberal country to be called so-America, it is alright. And so some people say 'anything goes'.
The media acts this way in a secretive way to brainwash and corrupt minds against views on a particular country to the other.
This is an Israeli animation-documentary feature film. The plot of this film is focused on the events on Lebanon War and also shows the Sabra and Shatila massacre on an actual footage.
I never really heard about this war before, so I'm going to research it futher just to see if this movie is accurate enough. :)
Might very well be. On Iran, the best sources of cultural propaganda come invariably from Europe, either the UK or France. The most interesting is of course not the obvious, but that which appears to be favorable. The only good example of it I have seen from the US on this field, that escapes the unsophisticated CNN-FOX News style, has been "Rick Steves Iran" from MSNBC and JourneyManPictures here in YouTube (although I am not sure if the latter is American).
When I looked at the profile of "JourneyManPictures it claims to be "United Kingdom". Although in my opinion they compare to " National Geographic" for their way of presenting on world cultures, affairs & events on other countres. Note to self, National Geographic magazine does serve the excellence on the aspects of photography. :)
Well Persepolis is a great film, very moving. Indeed it makes me feel lucky I was born in Ireland and not Iran, just as untouchables makes me feel glad I wasn't born in 1930's US. Persepolis is nice as its showing how Iranians are not all fanatical extremists. & yet here we have a guy on youtube fulfilling that stereotype whos angry at the film. She doesn't mindlessly obey/agree with an extreme government and this makes it propaganda? heh....
Another Western arrogant person who takes a movie as if it was reality, without ever having been near to Iran. Why are you people so intolerant and proud in your blindness? Sure, continue believing whatever Hollywood and its European proxies spoon-feed you with. That is why your whole continent is being taken over by corrupted Arab tyrannies and their immigration waves.
I am a Latinamerican Muslim living in Japan. What in this world are you talking about?
"Another Western arrogant person who takes a movie as if it was reality, without ever having been near to Iran"
Typical islamophobe, uh?
Would you mind even reading my comment? CORRUPTED ARAB TYRANNIES AND THEIR IMMIGRATION WAVES. Does it say anything about Arab people or Muslims? How exactly, when those Arab tyrannies are not even Islamic?
Nice way of twisting the silly argument you had just began.
If you care so much about the Iranian people, have you even cared to go there and traveled through several provinces to talk to them and meet them as I did? Something tells me you couldn't care any less.
this is just my opinion: a party isn't a party without food and drink. people will drink no matter what the government says about it (i don't believe that its their business to make rules about what we eat or drink when it is essentially harmless [overdoing anything is deadly. alcohol poisoning is not a valid argument for making alcohol consumption and creation illegal])
It is not a matter of the government to protect its citizens? Then there are no smoking rules in the world, no drug trafficking and consumption rules, no pharmaceutical consumption rules? Everybody is to do whatever they like in the planet in dealing with toxic substances?
Gee, in some countries governments care more about their citizens than about corporate lobbies who profit from intoxicating people. Will we Westerners ever be able to cope with it and tolerate it?
If your concern for humanistic values and listening to what people have to say would be genuine, you wouldn't take your reality from Western cinematographic productions which used millions of dollars, but you would actually care to listen to what the real and genuine people have to say.
That is your problem: That you take your reality from a movie, without the slightest interest to look into the real people out there.
I am talking about the propaganda it means in the context of a regime change attempt against Iran that has been going on for decades. Why do you think the Iranian people don't like Satrapi?
You don't see Persepolis for what it is because you are ignorant about the Iranian context and took things in the way she told you, which is a complete deception.
I am very interested in learning about the Iranian people. During the first four days after the election, I was practically unable to tear myself away from my computer screen because my attention was glued to some of the twitter accounts of Iranian people.
I still keep up to date on it the best I can.
I guess I am ignorant, but I keep my mind open and like to hear opinions from others. Which is why I am in this conversation to begin with.
Yes, and I appreciate it. I don't usually spend time talking about these things because you wouldn't know how many people full of hatred there are out there with nothing but bad intentions. I know your intentions are not bad, I just criticize anyone who take their realities from third people's accounts (whether movies, media or twitter posts).
If you want to understand Iran, you have to go much deeper than what a twitter heavily run by US and Israeli intelligence services showed you.
Satrapi lived in Europe well before publishing anything about Iran. She would be tried in Iran just as anybody in the West who spreads rubbish propaganda against the ruling system. In Europe if you dare question history you can get many years of imprisonment just for doing research.
A religion that bans alcohol is one thing, but a government that tries to ban it will not have full cooperation.
You're comparing a gangster who was using the black market for profit with ordinary people who want to party and drink even though their government was strictly against it. With Al Capone, he was very violent, while in Iran it is/was the government that was aggressive.
The 98% of Iranians are Muslims, and alcohol is forbidden in Islam. Why should a country have to tolerate legalizing something the vast majority opposes to? Why a privileged minority should shape the social rulings? If such is the logic, then there should be no prohibitions at all in the world, including other toxic substances like drugs in the West. Does this make sense?
Maybe I'm ignorant, but in my opinion, the remaining 2% of Iranians shouldn't have to live by Islamic law. The people who are Muslim would live by the laws whether or not the government made laws or not, so I don't understand why others need to as well.
I am friends with a man who is very strictly Muslim. He never drinks, but he will sit with the rest of us when we are drinking and talk to us just the same.
Drugs are a whole different thing from alcohol, in my opinion.
You do realize that that is equivalent to say, that because a 1% of Westerners prefers to go around naked in the streets, that the 99% remaining should cope with it?
Seriously deal with it, with a different culture. I am a Westerner myself, I was non Muslim for 24 years until few days ago. Why do some Westerners can't tolerate a country where things work differently?
Thanks to alcohol hundreds of women are beaten to death daily in our West by drunk husbands, just as one of many examples.
Satrapi's case is well different because she lied systematically and deceived, with inflammatory anti Islamic and classicist propaganda against the system. She did no research, she just had bad intentions, and she is not liked in Iran by the people.
@giuliafelix That is like saying, that the 2% of Americans who don't believe in democracy, don't really have to abide by it. And the 10% of Americans who think it is ok to abuse of drugs and alcohol or to go around naked in the streets should also be allowed to do so. And the 5% of Americans, who are criminals, should also not abide by the law and simply be free.
I am not comparing a gangster with ordinary people. I am comparing a gangster with a gangster, and people who guard for the law with people who guard for the law.
You have no idea what the black market of Iran does. They have dealt with terrorism for 30 years, and thousands of innocents have been killed, even hundreds of government officials during the 1980s.
I am very against Satrapi because I cared enough to go to Iran to see for myself and meet with peoples from all walks of life from many provinces, and it is clear Satrapi is a propagandist who lives bubbled up in a Tehran neighborhood, and spreads racist anti Islamic propaganda as if it was a personal view.
2) Anti Islamic: She claims the martyrs who defended Iran against Saddam were brainwashed youth who wanted 72 virgins in heaven, typical anti Islamic propaganda and rubbish. And she passes many offensive statements as that one as "personal experience".
just to make it clear iim an iranian came to united stated 8 yeaars ago when i was 15. my story i skinda like marji in the book. what i whant o say this is very begining of the new regime in iran(islamic republic of iran) now everything has melowed down.
but everything was just like in this book. they killed and wiped people for doing very simple things if they found it against islam. suck as drinking, dancing,......
drinking is illegal only for muslims , jews can drink alcohol and so can jews , i have never ever ever seen anyone get arrested let alone killed for dancing in iran , so i just wont have that. You are a muslim? if so then why are you defending drinking alcohol? you should condemn its use.
Name a single Iranian killed by Iranian officials because of this reason. Deceiver!
You have no idea who is behind the inforcement of mistreatments in Iran. You think Ahmadinejad sends a note? Please, there are networks of corrupted mafias institutionalized in the previous governments which staged these things precisely for electoral gains and to keep the public away from their corruption in the previous administrations.
What I didn't like about this movie is how it depicts Iran as all grey and dark and evil and oppressive. That's just plain freaking propaganda to demonize a whole country, that is in fact a breathtakingly beautiful and colorful place. Watch the documentary called 'Inside Iran' (on google.video) to have a glimpse at what Iran actually looks like, and compare.
Actually I disapprove of people taking references from any third persons to get their images of reality. "Inside Iran" is just another British imperialist propaganda production of a far more dangerous nature than those which are extremist in their demonization of Iranians and Iran. It is very likely that such British imperialist productions of subtle propaganda are designed to pass as neutral when contrasted to the fanatic American-Israeli propaganda.
but you have no right to impose that view unto others. It's a problem if you can't handle it. Alcohol is not the problem, it's the innate human predisposition to use alcohol in an attempt to escape society's existing problems.
That is exactly the aim of all this cultural war waged on Iran: To make people think that the most fanatic and fundamentalist propaganda against Iran is actually sincere "personal experiences". This is a brutal deception, and if you would be in Iran you would understand why after watching such a deceiving production.
This is no personal experience. This is full of subtle racist propaganda.
Like claiming the Iranian heroes of the war against Saddam were brainwashed kids looking for 72 virgins in paradise. This is hardcore anti Islamic propaganda, and a blatant dehumanization of those who protected Iran from the claws of a Saddam backed by the whole wide world.
Of course the American people and the American political system are worlds apart. It is not like in Iran where the people chose their own entire political system for themselves.
However, this propaganda was not made by the US, but it is typical European propaganda. It is now to become the mainstream type of propaganda against Iran with the Obama administration, since that is the line it takes, more along the track of British Imperialism than neocon approach.
You are so right about the BBC. What they do against Iran is exactly like the most pathetic Soviet propaganda the years before the wall fell. But not even Soviets were that desperate that they would go to the US to interview prostitutes, drug addicts and alcoholics there to portray them as representative, as it is done by the BBC on Iran.
Stupid for those who know the truth, but really brilliant when it comes to the massive brainwashing of human beings, and the massive forcing the acceptance of veiled hatred against Islam.
yep.......when i went to watch the film , the cinema hall was sooo full, that even some pple had to stand coz they didnt find a place to sit......i mean the film was sooo stupid, it even hasnt a real story !!
we live in a time where stupidness takes over the world !!.....i mean im not from iran, but i know that all that is just crap !!
Very true, and when an actual Iranian Muslim woman comes up with a similar story, speaking about her pride of being a religious woman living in the Islamic Republic, she is never given the world wide coverage that the racist Persepolis got.
The saddest thing is when ignorant people take this as a reference instead of reality, and swear on it being an accurate portrait of anything, when in reality it is veiled hardcore anti Islamic propaganda.
Sadly some even like it. I see the same happening with all sorts of false representatives of Islam or Muslims, like queen Rania of Jordan and her monarchy which is Israel's best mate, or Al Qaeda and the Talibans who are CIA and Mossad jobs to make the world hate Islam and get a justification to invade any Middle Eastern country. Hopefully Muslims will always remember it that we get nothing done by pointing fingers at Israel if our own lifestyles are not full of meaning and sense.
Propaganda is just a more evolved tool of population control. Why suppress violently when you can brainwash? We escaped physical colonialism, but now we're in an age of mental colonialism, something more dangerous, sinister and harder to fight off. If few people appreciate this video, that itself is a sign of how grave this problem has become.
Thanks to you. Very few people appreciate this video, since the 'Persepolis' type of propaganda is by far the most sophisticated form of cultural war against Iran.
You should really see the film to learn of the ways in which this European type of propaganda against Iran - which in contrast to the fanaticism of American and Israeli propaganda gets the status of "moderate" -, shapes and molds the minds of unaware public who have no clue how disgustingly they are being indoctrinated. Satrapi refers to hijab as oppressive, and even talks of the Shahid as brainwashed kids wanting to get 72 virgins in Jannah. Hardcore secularist propaganda.
Anyone who has actually saw the movie would know that author was a strong critic of the US and other western nations for their actions in Iran.. The only propaganda is by you Germanicus. To claim the movie "demonizes the beauty of Iran", part of the movie is the author standing up for her identity in a land where people tend to view Iranians as backwards and barbaric. The only thing Iranian she is critical of is the government. And within Iran her position is far from uncommon.
All of that nonsensical paragraph is written by someone who didn't even take the trouble of going to Iran to see for him/herself, yet taking an entire reality from a cinematographic production! And parroting the blindly positive criticism this got in the media.
How do you know about the backgrounds of the author if you havent got the slightest clue on how she lies? How can you affirm this is a sincere biography, when you havent got a clue about the meaning of Behesht-e Zahra?
Everything is propaganda. From my videos to her very fancy and widely advertised productions. You think she does not have an agenda of secularization for Iran? You think she is just drawing some cartoons for the hell of it and satisfying her ego? Get a grip. How naive can you be to think a worldwide production is not propagating an agenda?
I have actually seen the movie, and I have taken the trouble of going to Iran to learn of their reality. What else did you do other than push play?
Not to even mention how far off your comment is from the subject of the video. It is clearly about the hypocrisy on addressing alcohol ban laws in different countries, and all I get from people like you are childish cries that this is not propaganda, just because you got too involved with a cinematographic production without the slightest interest to cross examine anything.
If everything is propaganda, what is your problem with propaganda? Ha, and you're calling my post nonsensical. I do think the women had an agenda to tell the story of her life. She probably favors a secularization of Iran or at least it's laws but so do many other Iranians. Her story didn't come from Hollywood script writers with a political agenda, it came from an Iranian about her own country, a person who lived there. Her story impressed me more then you saying you visited.
What a child. Propaganda has a purpose! What is the purpose of your propaganda when you claim the heroes of a war against Saddam Hussein were brainwashed youngsters who wanted to get 72 virgins in heaven?
My propaganda is to try to give the Iranian people a little of what has been denied to them: a smile. If you have a problem with that propaganda and not with the above, then you clearly have a closed heart, and it is no wonder you take your realities from a global production.
Very valid argument there! "She lived there". I see you took logics for first graders!
So because Bush has lived in the US, because the Shah of Iran also lived in Iran as he murdered the innocents, as the Iranian opposition, simple men and women, who are either behind an internationalist monarchy which profited from blood spilling or a Marxist terrorist movement which killed many innocents, it means what they have to say is accurate and free of bad agendas?
Subscriber of the Israeli Defense Force idfnadesk YouTube channel.
We should have started off from there!
It is just beautiful to see those ignorant calling for secularism in Iran and calling these propagandistic productions as "well intended biographies" are all always tightly along the liens of the Israeli Ministry of Propaganda.
This is for Fayrouz2008-I've gotten and read Marjane's books; including "Chicken with Plums & The Embriodies". I don't really considered Marjane Graphic Novels and her movie "Persepolis" propaganda, but I look another way around it. It is encoraging to me to look deep down at the propaganda and buffet of lies sended by society, media, governments, and churches, and I ask myself why, why do they assume that Iran a part of axis of evil and should be going to war against them?
There's always oppression between the United States & Iran just like Isreal & Palestinian conflict. And bring peace in the Middle East is not going to cure the problem, it's just a temporary opium that the United States gives peace treaties to sign in. What could we do about it?
The best propaganda, "because it is repeated so often, it spreads and receives reinforcement from all quarters as the stupid public regurgitates what it has learned in common discourse."
J.R. Nyquist
WorldNetDaily
"The best propaganda is subtle, even enjoyable, even while it is sneakily putting across a message that the audience might not be consciously aware of."
"The best propaganda is that which the target audience does not recognize as overtly propagandistic in nature."
If you would have been to Behesht-e Zahra and understand what it means in the Iranian spirit, you would not claim this movie is not propaganda when Satrapi portrays the martyrs of the war against Saddam as brainwashed youngsters going for 72 virgins in heaven. That is hardcore anti Islamic propaganda Rushdie style, no autobiography. Everything is propaganda, and you would have to be very naive that such a widely advertised movie, which went global, has no other agenda than a "sincere" view.
Do you think the people from Iran are going to welcome me to their country even though I'm an American? You say Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi is secular propaganda and her purpose is to demonize and secularize Iran and do you think it would of happen right now? But same goes to Mein Kamph by Adolf Hitler and HIS purpose is to establish Nazi Socialist Party in Germany during the 1930's and he did.
I would be very surprised if Iranians would not give you the warmest welcome. When I went to Azadi sq. to see how they celebrated their 1979 Islamic Revolution, I saw myself surrounded by hundreds of thousands of Iranians (no exaggeration), all chanting "Down with America", while they thought I was myself an American. Not only am I still in one piece, but seriously the worst I got from it was an invitation for lunch.
Indeed I have arguments to see Persepolis as evil and disgusting propaganda.
Your comparing Al Capone, one of the most notorious mobsters in America, to a family who owns some alcohol?
weldon29 3 weeks ago
@weldon29 No, be careful. I am comparing breaking the law in Iran with breaking the law in the USA. I am comparing how our Western entertainment industry portrays those who fight people who break the law in those two different countries.
And finally, I am making mention to Marjane Satrapi's dirty business in Iran. She was one of the "witnesses" of election fraud in 2009 while living thousands of km away in France and demanding regime change for the US Department of State.
germanicus24 3 weeks ago
It's funny to me that you compare the rebellious Iranians unfavorably to Americans. America was founded on the principle that it's good to rebel against an oppressive government.
The cops in the 20s were good because they were fighting mobsters who did business using scare tactics and violence, not because they stopped people from drinking alcohol. You entirely missed the point of both movies.
Bananapocolypse 9 months ago
@Bananapocolypse Why do you find it funny? Have you taken the trouble to study about Iran free from the lenses of our Western propaganda, or cared to express your condolences to the families of the hundreds or thousands of innocent people and security forces killed in Iran by the mafias and terrorists who feed themselves from the trafficking of alcohol?
How does it make Iranian and American cops different? Oh yes, because Iranians are not secularized Westerners, so they deserve no pity.
germanicus24 9 months ago
@germanicus24 I find it funny because you are criticizing the Iranians for doing exactly what America was founded on - rebelling against an opressive government. The 20s mafia was RIGHT to fight prohibition. They were WRONG to use violence and scare tactics. If you bothered to read Persepolis (or watch it) you'd know that Marjane's family is subjected to violence and scare tactics from the Iranian govt, which makes the Iranian govt morally wrong. It's so simple a child could understand.
Bananapocolypse 9 months ago
@Bananapocolypse Again I ask you, did you even care to study Iran away from the thick layers of propaganda that we get in the West? Have you even bothered to travel there to see for yourself or befriended people from all sides of the Iranian political spectrum to make up your own mind?
Clearly not, and by parroting our Western media mantra on the evilness of the democratically elected Iranian government, you are just showing your utter lack of respect for the people you claim to care about.
germanicus24 9 months ago
@Bananapocolypse Apparently you just take the whims of a few ones who are given the spotlight, like Marjane Satrapi, as your infallible spokesmen for reality.
Your negligence to study reality with your own intellect explains for you being a mouthpiece of third people's agendas, rather than a human being sincerely concerned, one fair to the wills of nations he has bothered to comprehend, and exercising critical thinking towards what is served to him in the comfort of his couch.
germanicus24 9 months ago 2
@Bananapocolypse It is actually you who is criticizing the Iranians for rebelling against the oppressive claws of NATO and the US, the biggest genocides and warmongers recorded by contemporary history. Because you adhere to their demonizing propaganda - one you never even cared to cross-examine but swallowed willingly - and deny Iranians the right to be self-determined, trying to impose your own beliefs onto them.
germanicus24 9 months ago
iran needs a revolution. again.
it's on its way out, gonna be hard but that's the only way.
patachu666 9 months ago 2
@patachu666 Why does Iran need a revolution? Because the Iranian people refuse to please your own personal whims? So much for the tolerance and freedom of expression of our Westerner secularists ^^
germanicus24 9 months ago 4
@germanicus24 Can you be an Atheist openly in Iran?
jhhjljljwdw 4 months ago
@jhhjljljwdw Sure. I have been one, and warmly welcomed :)
germanicus24 3 months ago
You have decided already so there is no piont in me discusing with you.
I will just repeat that the alcohol ban failed in the USA wich is a fact and you can't debate on facts and that Freedom is about a person's right to make choises. A person's Rights stop where the Rights of every other person's begin.
So simple but yet so hard to grasp.....
annarerri 11 months ago
@annarerri I decided after actually caring enough to go to Iran to see for myself rather than sitting on my couch to watch a movie and let it tell me how things go.
This video has nothing to do with the law, it has to do with how those enforcing the exact same law are portrayed in Western entertainment industry, and the hypocrisy is quite arrant.
Every nation should have the self-determination to decide its own law, and you are nobody to force Iranians to adapt to your selfish personal whims.
germanicus24 11 months ago
I am a bit confused...
The alcohol ban in the USA failed misserably because people will drink if they want to and will do bad or good because they want to. No goverment must be the one that decides on ones freedom to drink or not, to smoke or not, to be religious or not. Freedom is about choises. If you can't choose for your self then you are not free.
I don't want to offend anybody but this is what i think the film is all about....
annarerri 11 months ago 3
@annarerri I am not talking about the law itself, but about the portrayals of those enforcing it, in our Western media industry.
No government enforces religion. Are European governments religious (in contrast to e.g. native Amazonian tribes) because they demand people to cover their bodies in public or because they make poisonous substances illegal, such as asbestos, cocaine or ecstasy? Should we not have laws against murdering because it takes away the freedom to decide to murder or not?
germanicus24 11 months ago
@annarerri If alcohol should be legal/illegal is something debatable. Each nation can decide on its own. The vast majority of Iran fully agrees with the illegality of alcohol. Who are you or the French producers of this movie to demand Iran to adapt to your whims? Are you that intolerant for diversity of views in our world? Why should all countries consider legal/illegal the same things you do?
This movie isn't about freedoms, but cultural propaganda, racism, and classicism.
germanicus24 11 months ago
2:02 - wrong! There's no Talibans in Iran! Talibans hate Iranians, because Iranians are Shia Moslems, and Talibans are Sunni Moslems in "war" with Shias.
HuntressJohanna 1 year ago
@HuntressJohanna
1) Talibans are NOT Sunni Muslims. They are Wahabis, allied of Saudi Arabia, CIA-empowered criminals, precisely the reason why they are against Iran and HAVE indeed committed terrorist attacks against Iranians, such as the slaughtering of the Iranian diplomatic mission in Afghanistan to name one of the latest.
2) The restriction of alcohol and other criminal activities in Iran is precisely the reason why there are few Taliban-allied elements in Iran.
germanicus24 1 year ago
Why do you call this a propaganda ? When they put a pub about to not smoke cigarettes in America it means it is a propaganda too ?
almuntazhar 1 year ago
@almuntazhar I call it propaganda because the author of this movie is a professional political propagandist, who claimed the martyrs who defended Iran from Saddam were a bunch of kids brainwashed to get 72 virgins in paradise, and several other anti-Islamic propaganda of the Salman Rushdie style, disrespecting the own Iranian people that she claims to care about. In 2009 Marjane Satrapi, the author of the Persian supremacist Persepolis novel and movie, claimed that elections in Iran were a fraud
germanicus24 1 year ago
@germanicus24 Oh ok I am sorry I thought that you support those propagandas.
almuntazhar 1 year ago
@almuntazhar Hehe no way. Look at all the thumbs down and ignorant comments I have received here from people who claim to know it all about Iran by having watched an animated movie which is but a political pamphlet that they have called "art" :P
germanicus24 1 year ago
@germanicus24 They claimed it was a fraud because It was!
sezar543 1 year ago
@sezar543
"I will be who I will be" - Exodus
"I think therefore I am" - Descartes
"It is fraud because it was" - sezar543
germanicus24 1 year ago
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ldyfox88 1 year ago
It is a brilliant graphic novel. But apparently, from your comments, you are a political ideologist. So chances are low you understand art. If you did, you wouldn't ask why the movie got coverage. That random dumb hollywood movie did not, by the way.
RubenvonZwack 1 year ago
@RubenvonZwack Everybody is a political ideologist. Satrapi is no exception, and only someone very ignorant and naive can take seriously or as art her political pamphlet trying to make Iranians look irrational and backwards in order to justify us Westerners spending billions from our own tax payers to force a regime in Iran that is more friendly to our oppression of other oil rich nations of the Middle East.
germanicus24 1 year ago
@germanicus24 Of course you have every right to criticise her movie in the way you see it. Still, both the graphic novel and the movie have an enormous artistic quality.
RubenvonZwack 1 year ago
@RubenvonZwack Who thinks beauty or intelligence have value on themselves? Both can be equally used for bringing good or bad to the world, depending on what direction is given to them. This is why we believers place an emphasis on the direction. A very intelligent person can save us from epidemics, but another very intelligent person can create weapon of mass destruction. Likewise, the usage of beauty is not something good on itself. It may be used to try to demonize a nation as does Satrapi.
germanicus24 1 year ago
@germanicus24 But so many films criticise countries and societies. If you wanted to tell your biography, you might want to criticise the country you grew up too.
RubenvonZwack 1 year ago
@RubenvonZwack And I would love to see some genuine criticism of the Islamic Republic of Iran, because such criticism would allow it to improve.
However, nothing is gained from deceptions. What Satrapi does is not a criticism, it is plain lying, and having visited many provinces of Iran myself I have seen this with my own eyes.
You can watch Mohammad Marandi's comments referring to one of her many lies in a very interesting video called Academic Imperialism.
germanicus24 1 year ago
I see what is your point, the finances to terrorist movements with alcohol, but i don't believe that produce alcohol for your friends -illegaly- finances terrorism... Although, it's not only that, I mean, there are others points as: freedom, be relax, spend a time with your friends... you know the basics rights in a law state... it is a stupid thing keep alcohol forbiden, that make that violence keep going. and you're right in your comentary to uminatsuko...
peque1204 1 year ago
@peque1204 It is not stupid to make alcohol illegal. You have no idea how safe Iran is thanks to the fact that all people are fully conscious 24/7 even with mayhems like Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan on its borders. Also it is not stupid when only in Spain alone some 5 women are killed by their drunk husbands every single day. It is Islamic law, and you calling it stupid just because it doesn't fit your personal tastes shows only an intolerance to cultural differences on your part.
germanicus24 1 year ago
@germanicus24 well, yeah maybe my comentary it's subjetive, i mean, I am not able to live in a country who punishment drink or produce alcohol (and I'm not alcoholic), but I believe one thing, if something it's forbiden then start a mafia because it's a good business to make money of a way fastest, you know, it's the same thing that happen with drugs; so I'm going to ask you: how many people are dead for the mafia? you say that traffic exists, and then compare it with the numbers that
peque1204 1 year ago
@germanicus24 you gave me about spanish women. and I really don't believe you that people don't drink alcohol in Iran and they are conscious, I've never lived there, haven't you?...yes, you're right I'm not agree with forbiden alcohol, it's true, that is not movite to call that an idiot institution, I give my apologize. but still I'm not agree. and I respect others cultures but my point of view changes when this culture attempt with human rights this isn't the case, in this specific subject.
peque1204 1 year ago
@peque1204 I have cared to travel through several provinces to see for myself, and I keep nearly hundreds of friends in many corners of Iran. Of course it is impressively safe (and gorgeous!). How tight would a EU country be if it was surrounded by Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan? People who die from alcohol mafia would be people involved in it, not innocent women who die at the hands of their drunk husbands. If you sincerely care about human rights (not the propaganda we receive against Iran)...
germanicus24 1 year ago
@germanicus24 I'm going to read more about it. Saludos desde Colombia.
peque1204 1 year ago
@peque1204 Lo importante es nunca dejar que terceras personas nos metan cosas en la cabeza sin dejarnos ejercer nuestro juicio crítico. Es esa la forma en que poblamos la mente de espejismos que nos dificultan ver la realidad con mayor claridad. Te invito cordialmente a revisar mi blog con algunas perspectivas alternativas, pues siento que es mi deber compartir algunas visiones interesantes que aprendí recorriendo Irán. Saludos de un chileno en Japón! :)
germanicus24 1 year ago
@germanicus24 putting everybody in a cell would keep them even more safe but safety is not everything. There has to be a good balance between safety and freedom. That's why driving drunk is bad but there is no good reason to ban alcohol altogether. Plus alcohol has tons more uses than drinking.
sunset261 1 year ago
@sunset261 That is a typical fallacy that proves nothing altogether. Can you prove why every single society of the world should do just as you think is best?
germanicus24 1 year ago
@germanicus24 i don't. However, it doesn't matter what culture you are a theocracy is wrong.
sunset261 1 year ago
@sunset261 What is a theocracy?
germanicus24 1 year ago
@germanicus24 A society where the government operates on one religion and persecutes those who don't agree with it, such as the islamic republic.
sunset261 1 year ago
@sunset261 All governments of the world operate on a religion. For some, this religion is Islam, for others it is Christianity, and for others it is Secularism. It was not Iran who killed millions in Iraq in the 1990s or in the 2000s. It was not Iran who killed millions in the USSR. As a matter of fact, the Islamic Republic of Iran was not behind any of the major genocides recorded in the history of human kind, but the governments operating on the religion of secularism and Atheism were.
germanicus24 1 year ago
@germanicus24 when i say religion i use the definition "The service and worship of god or the supernatural." in that regard, secularism is not a religion, nor is atheism. We are not talking about military actions, we are discussing what happens inside the country. How would you feel if the government suddenly enacted a state religion that wasn't yours? How can you possibly defend a government that has laws that allow censorship of things critical to islam or the regime?
sunset261 1 year ago
@sunset261 Of course secularism is a religion. It believes in a thing called "dark matter" and "dark energy" that it has never seen and has never been able to detect, which exists beyond the boundaries of the material and detectable, and which explains to the secularist where the Universe comes from and how physical laws and the Universe's expansion hold up order. This is the same process a believer uses when he recognizes a Creator behind the order in nature.
germanicus24 1 year ago
@sunset261 You are very naive and brainwashed if you think one country censors and other doesn't. All governments and systems on the face of the planet and with any practical application are no exception. The real question is WHY and how well-informed the citizens are. Your naivety clearly shows the secularist system you worship keeps you ignorant of its censorship mechanisms, and it does so precisely because the reasons WHY it censors are not well intended. In contrast, Iran is transparent.
germanicus24 1 year ago
@sunset261 Iranians didn't "suddenly enacted a religion". What planet do you live in? Secularist fanatics like yourself were supporting the secularist dictatorship of the Shah there. The Quran clearly says religion must not be imposed, and Iran follows suit. Iranians chose the Islamic Republic for them, unlike Westerners who were imposed secularism by the Reign of Terror and hanging of tens of thousands of opponents in France.
germanicus24 1 year ago
@sunset261 Iran doesn't censor criticism, it cracks on destabilization attempts. Serve yourself and visit the country, and you will see how people criticize or praise the government in the streets on a daily basis and have been doing so since 1979 when the dictatorship of the Shah was overthrown. Now people in Iran are very politically aware and hold strong opinions in all fields. This is very healthy, unlike Western secularist indifference and alienation of peoples from politics.
germanicus24 1 year ago
@sunset261 The caricature that Iran is ruled by a group of evil/backwards men is very outdated and explains why billions of $ poured by the US/EU for regime change in Iran has never worked: They haven't even cared to understand their rival, reducing it to a ridiculous caricature away from reality. The fact that you parrot it shows you haven't put any effort in the issue. One can doubt whether you are really interested in Iranian people's wellbeing or just retransmit Soviet-like propaganda.
germanicus24 1 year ago
@sunset261 And if those who don't agree with Islam are supposedly persecuted in Iran, then how do you explain the fact that Iran is home to the biggest Jewish colony in the Middle East outside Israel? Or how do you explain the fact that religious minorities such as Zoroastrians, Jews, Armenian Christian, Christian Orthodox, etc. are guaranteed seats in the Majlis (Parliament) even when they don't have enough voters to get elected in a secular democracy? Sounds like you've been spoon fed sorry.
germanicus24 1 year ago
Great facts during the reign of Saddam alcohol wasn't banned.
v19d 1 year ago
@v19d Why would have it been banned: Saddam led a secularist baathist dictatorship, not an Islamic Republic. He merely used Islam for his personal political gain, not because he was a Muslim.
germanicus24 1 year ago
@bakshi777 We would all like, but our Western media and entertainment industry will never allow for such films from Iran to reach us, and even less feature them with 5 stars globally as they do with any rubbish piece of anti Iranian propaganda like "Persepolis".
germanicus24 1 year ago
it's not the same to prosecute the mafia, than the individual citizens who drink alcohol.
torollu 1 year ago
@torollu It is in a country where alcohol is not just illegal, but illegally introduced from the borders for the enemies of Iran to step up a cultural war of intoxicating the Iranian people, and when the culture of alcohol trafficking finances border terrorist movements (e.g. the PKK) which are responsible for slaughtering innocent nationals of Iran. Don't judge from the comfort of your couch. Iran has to guarantee safety to its people while surrounded by Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan...
germanicus24 1 year ago
@germanicus24 The PKK is also a illegal in America.
v19d 1 year ago
@v19d Yes, but that doesn't stop America from supporting them and providing them weapons via Israel.
germanicus24 1 year ago
Well, in my humble opinion, I don't believe it is accurate to compare these scenes of the two movies as if they portrayed the exact same situation. The circumstances are completely different--different countries, different times, different backgrounds, history and culture. Still, no one should watch a movie and take it as the ultimate portrait of reality. We should all be critical and have an opinion of our own, not just base our opinions on a single work of art. :)
uminatsuko 1 year ago
@uminatsuko You are kindly invited to explain why the analogy is not accurate. The claim is very clear: Illegal trafficking of alcohol feeds a black market that promotes terrorism or gangs. While Hollywood shows the same struggle against crime as heroic when taking place in the US, Western cultural propaganda says the same battle against crime in Iran to prevent terrorism is reprehensible. Mind the double standards?
germanicus24 1 year ago
@germanicus24 Well, first of all, I think it's not proper for you to say "Western" as if the "west" was just one huge country with the exact same rules, moral and ways of thinking. France and America and very, very different. As for you comparison, I don't believe it's the same situation. Al Capone was a criminal who killed and hurt people to obtain money and power. Satrapi's uncle was just a guy who wanted a drink so he provided himself...
uminatsuko 1 year ago
@uminatsuko I am a Westerner, but I am sufficiently honest to admit all our countries are hijacked. Just check all our external debts as % of our GDPs and realize we don't own anything we produce, we owe it to foreign bankers, and so we are all equally enslaved and right now Israel can massacre 20 humanitarian activists as we speak yet our Western governments will let them get away with it. Secondly, you have no clue how black market works in Iran. Point is Satrapi shows criminals as heroes.
germanicus24 1 year ago
@germanicus24 ...He didn't even buy it from the illegal market, he made his own wine. He was certainly not hurting anyone nor feeding crime by doing it. And I think you are missing a point here: it is banning which causes the crime. Banning something people consumes will create an illegal market, and the illegal market will indeed generate crime. But there is a huge difference between a guy who cultivates his own pot, for his personal consumption, and a drug lord...
uminatsuko 1 year ago
@uminatsuko Try to find it within yourself: ALCOHOL IS ILLEGAL IN IRAN. Satrapi is portraying criminals as freedom fighters. Then lets legalize everything too. Lets show marihuana producers of the US as freedom fighters too and whenever the US military police raids their homes, lets report the US police to every NGO and show indeed what a dictatorship the US is . . .
germanicus24 1 year ago
@germanicus24 ...Also, everyone has the right to their own opinion. What some French producer thinks to be right, a Hollywood one might think to be wrong. That's not a double standard, it's diversity.
uminatsuko 1 year ago
@uminatsuko Everyone has the right to their opinion, not everyone gets it featured worldwide thanks to Western media and its double standards which portray American police as heroes when they combat illegal alcohol, and Iranian police as dictators when they do the same.
germanicus24 1 year ago
I glorify the US lawmen? I thought Brian DePalma directed The Untouchables and that ABC produced the series.
The US Bill of Rights is no universal declaration of law for mankind. While you'd like to whine, your grudging from your couch is irrelevant in a country you have systematically intervened.
Iranians broke free from your superiority complex. A freedom on which they based their 98%-accepted constitution (unlike other constitutions/amendments imposed by the head honchos of the time).
germanicus24 1 year ago
Ok, so your video talks about alcohol and breaking the law to bring alcohol, but I think your underlying message goes far deeper than that, but I don't recognize what it is. Would you elaborate for me?
My guesses are:
Persepolis is a false interpretation of how things truly went in Iran's history.
Thus, Persepolis is creating negative propaganda against the Iranian government, on a global scale.
So: Stop believing in what the movie tells us.
aniki91344 2 years ago
@aniki91344
I'm an American, being constantly fed propaganda messages about the Middle East, from movies, tv shows, the internet, and the news report. The last big thing I remember was the big riot breaking out over the counterfeit elections. I was thinking to myself, how close these riots looked to the film Persepolis.
But I've never been to Iran, so I'm probably off on a certain scale about it. Could you explain to me what it is truly like over there? From your point of view?
aniki91344 2 years ago
Persepolis is not creating negative propaganda against the Iranian government. It goes far beyond that. Just look at its title: Persepolis, the former capital of the Persian empire. What it is implying is that Iranians are pure Aryans who should not submit to a racially inferior Arab culture (Islam). It is a same old and long standing propaganda that runs deep to cast division and hatred between Persians and Arabs and create separatism and quarrels in the Middle East for divide and conquer.
germanicus24 2 years ago
I can't fit what Iran is like in a YouTube 500-characters comment ; ) At the same time, it is not me or anyone else to tell you how things go there. Our world is in desperate need for alternative perspectives, and the practice of borrowing our understandings from third peoples should be declared obsolete. I am just trying to suggest the need for everyone to responsibly engage in learning and making use of critical thinking.
germanicus24 2 years ago
@aniki91344 The underlying point is: Stop taking third person's accounts as reality. This is a woman filled with hatred towards Islam but she is too coward to openly state so, else the entire nation of Iran would unanimously stand against her rather than having some naive ones falling for her fanatic propaganda of demonization.
germanicus24 1 year ago
In Belgium, my country, it is forbidden to drink and drive. During an alcohol control, a Belgian policeman will never point his weapon at you and say: " You'd be in hell without your wife". Certain drugs are illegal in Belgium but the police don't do drug raids where they punch people in the stomach and say: " here is my warrant ". If i was a leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran, i would not want germanicus24 as my PR-man. LoL!
dipogrotius 2 years ago
"You'd be in hell without your wife". So you think this movie is accurate historically too? You don't make much sense yourself. You think this is an autobiography with factual statements and an unbiased presentation?
You are a funny person indeed, but inshAllah you will drop your arrogance and pride in your ignorance, so that you don't take your realities from movies, in respect for the peoples of the world.
germanicus24 2 years ago
The funniest thing is you claiming I take The Untouchables as historically correct, when not only I don't do this - rather addressing its symbolic elements and representations -, but it is you who, without any slightest interest in the people of Iran and the reality there, takes a movie for an ultimate truth.
germanicus24 2 years ago
And here is the kicker: You are a disgusting Pharisee, so little one wonders why you would make such a crappy argument to perpetuate the lies against those who you have been brainwashed by the Pharisee Tel-Aviv regime that they want to wipe you off maps haha.
germanicus24 2 years ago
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carsooon27 1 year ago
Clueless!
But i like the comparison between the "good guys" in the Hollywood entertainment movie and the 15 year old with the gun in Persepolis. This young man has a gun and a good versus evil story to make his behavior seem wright. I prefer it, however, if people watch a mindless American gangster movie and identify with the hero if they want a power kick. Yes, i know, Al Capone is a historical figure, but do you think the American film in the clip is historically correct ?
dipogrotius 2 years ago
Don't worry about being clueless. It just takes you to go to Iran to see for yourself and learn about the 15 years old who liberated a nation from the oppression we imposed on them and the millions of them we slaughtered to not lose our influences there ; )
It has nothing to do with historical accuracy of The Untouchables, but with the Western entertainment industry's incoherent caricatures of heroism (Kevin Costner) and evil (Iranian fundamentalists).
germanicus24 2 years ago
I believe I have a clear understanding on what germanicus wanted to tell us. He meant that there is no difference between two countries, two societies and that foreign media exaggerate the handful of truth against a country as obscene and not liberal. Where as comparing to a liberal country to be called so-America, it is alright. And so some people say 'anything goes'.
The media acts this way in a secretive way to brainwash and corrupt minds against views on a particular country to the other.
Montyleeny14 2 years ago
Have you ever seen another animation movie called "Waltz with Bashir"?
yahooman2009 2 years ago
Sounds familiar, but I haven't taken a look at that one. I have focused more on BBC documentaries that are the best at propaganda against Iran.
germanicus24 2 years ago
This is an Israeli animation-documentary feature film. The plot of this film is focused on the events on Lebanon War and also shows the Sabra and Shatila massacre on an actual footage.
I never really heard about this war before, so I'm going to research it futher just to see if this movie is accurate enough. :)
yahooman2009 2 years ago
Might very well be. On Iran, the best sources of cultural propaganda come invariably from Europe, either the UK or France. The most interesting is of course not the obvious, but that which appears to be favorable. The only good example of it I have seen from the US on this field, that escapes the unsophisticated CNN-FOX News style, has been "Rick Steves Iran" from MSNBC and JourneyManPictures here in YouTube (although I am not sure if the latter is American).
germanicus24 2 years ago
When I looked at the profile of "JourneyManPictures it claims to be "United Kingdom". Although in my opinion they compare to " National Geographic" for their way of presenting on world cultures, affairs & events on other countres. Note to self, National Geographic magazine does serve the excellence on the aspects of photography. :)
yahooman2009 2 years ago
Maybe like an extremely political National Geographic pro Iranian opposition XD
germanicus24 2 years ago
Well Persepolis is a great film, very moving. Indeed it makes me feel lucky I was born in Ireland and not Iran, just as untouchables makes me feel glad I wasn't born in 1930's US. Persepolis is nice as its showing how Iranians are not all fanatical extremists. & yet here we have a guy on youtube fulfilling that stereotype whos angry at the film. She doesn't mindlessly obey/agree with an extreme government and this makes it propaganda? heh....
TheREALSisko 2 years ago
Another Western arrogant person who takes a movie as if it was reality, without ever having been near to Iran. Why are you people so intolerant and proud in your blindness? Sure, continue believing whatever Hollywood and its European proxies spoon-feed you with. That is why your whole continent is being taken over by corrupted Arab tyrannies and their immigration waves.
germanicus24 2 years ago
you're complaining about discrimination towards muslims, yet you'e against them in your countries.
sounds like a neo-nazi to me
gerryono 2 years ago
In my countries? Which are my countries? I am Muslim, how exactly can I discriminate against Muslims?
. . .
germanicus24 2 years ago
in europe
if you're muslim, why do you refer to "arab invaders"? sounds like a true islamophobe to me
gerryono 2 years ago
I am a Latinamerican Muslim living in Japan. What in this world are you talking about?
"Another Western arrogant person who takes a movie as if it was reality, without ever having been near to Iran"
Typical islamophobe, uh?
Would you mind even reading my comment? CORRUPTED ARAB TYRANNIES AND THEIR IMMIGRATION WAVES. Does it say anything about Arab people or Muslims? How exactly, when those Arab tyrannies are not even Islamic?
germanicus24 2 years ago
you care more about the wishes of the government than the wishes of the Iranian people
gerryono 2 years ago
Nice way of twisting the silly argument you had just began.
If you care so much about the Iranian people, have you even cared to go there and traveled through several provinces to talk to them and meet them as I did? Something tells me you couldn't care any less.
germanicus24 2 years ago
Indeed. The 'Persepolis' racist movie is French. Not Iranian as Western media publicized it.
germanicus24 2 years ago
this is just my opinion: a party isn't a party without food and drink. people will drink no matter what the government says about it (i don't believe that its their business to make rules about what we eat or drink when it is essentially harmless [overdoing anything is deadly. alcohol poisoning is not a valid argument for making alcohol consumption and creation illegal])
MarielNightstalker9 2 years ago
It is not a matter of the government to protect its citizens? Then there are no smoking rules in the world, no drug trafficking and consumption rules, no pharmaceutical consumption rules? Everybody is to do whatever they like in the planet in dealing with toxic substances?
Gee, in some countries governments care more about their citizens than about corporate lobbies who profit from intoxicating people. Will we Westerners ever be able to cope with it and tolerate it?
germanicus24 2 years ago
If your concern for humanistic values and listening to what people have to say would be genuine, you wouldn't take your reality from Western cinematographic productions which used millions of dollars, but you would actually care to listen to what the real and genuine people have to say.
germanicus24 2 years ago
That is your problem: That you take your reality from a movie, without the slightest interest to look into the real people out there.
I am talking about the propaganda it means in the context of a regime change attempt against Iran that has been going on for decades. Why do you think the Iranian people don't like Satrapi?
You don't see Persepolis for what it is because you are ignorant about the Iranian context and took things in the way she told you, which is a complete deception.
germanicus24 2 years ago
I am very interested in learning about the Iranian people. During the first four days after the election, I was practically unable to tear myself away from my computer screen because my attention was glued to some of the twitter accounts of Iranian people.
I still keep up to date on it the best I can.
I guess I am ignorant, but I keep my mind open and like to hear opinions from others. Which is why I am in this conversation to begin with.
Anyway, I have to go. Thanks for the talk.
giuliafelix 2 years ago
Yes, and I appreciate it. I don't usually spend time talking about these things because you wouldn't know how many people full of hatred there are out there with nothing but bad intentions. I know your intentions are not bad, I just criticize anyone who take their realities from third people's accounts (whether movies, media or twitter posts).
If you want to understand Iran, you have to go much deeper than what a twitter heavily run by US and Israeli intelligence services showed you.
germanicus24 2 years ago
Satrapi lived in Europe well before publishing anything about Iran. She would be tried in Iran just as anybody in the West who spreads rubbish propaganda against the ruling system. In Europe if you dare question history you can get many years of imprisonment just for doing research.
germanicus24 2 years ago
Wait- what's wrong with drinking?
A religion that bans alcohol is one thing, but a government that tries to ban it will not have full cooperation.
You're comparing a gangster who was using the black market for profit with ordinary people who want to party and drink even though their government was strictly against it. With Al Capone, he was very violent, while in Iran it is/was the government that was aggressive.
These are two -very- different cases.
What do you have against Marjane Satrapi?
giuliafelix 2 years ago 2
The 98% of Iranians are Muslims, and alcohol is forbidden in Islam. Why should a country have to tolerate legalizing something the vast majority opposes to? Why a privileged minority should shape the social rulings? If such is the logic, then there should be no prohibitions at all in the world, including other toxic substances like drugs in the West. Does this make sense?
germanicus24 2 years ago
Maybe I'm ignorant, but in my opinion, the remaining 2% of Iranians shouldn't have to live by Islamic law. The people who are Muslim would live by the laws whether or not the government made laws or not, so I don't understand why others need to as well.
I am friends with a man who is very strictly Muslim. He never drinks, but he will sit with the rest of us when we are drinking and talk to us just the same.
Drugs are a whole different thing from alcohol, in my opinion.
giuliafelix 2 years ago 2
You do realize that that is equivalent to say, that because a 1% of Westerners prefers to go around naked in the streets, that the 99% remaining should cope with it?
Seriously deal with it, with a different culture. I am a Westerner myself, I was non Muslim for 24 years until few days ago. Why do some Westerners can't tolerate a country where things work differently?
Thanks to alcohol hundreds of women are beaten to death daily in our West by drunk husbands, just as one of many examples.
germanicus24 2 years ago
Satrapi's case is well different because she lied systematically and deceived, with inflammatory anti Islamic and classicist propaganda against the system. She did no research, she just had bad intentions, and she is not liked in Iran by the people.
germanicus24 2 years ago
@giuliafelix That is like saying, that the 2% of Americans who don't believe in democracy, don't really have to abide by it. And the 10% of Americans who think it is ok to abuse of drugs and alcohol or to go around naked in the streets should also be allowed to do so. And the 5% of Americans, who are criminals, should also not abide by the law and simply be free.
germanicus24 1 year ago
I am not comparing a gangster with ordinary people. I am comparing a gangster with a gangster, and people who guard for the law with people who guard for the law.
You have no idea what the black market of Iran does. They have dealt with terrorism for 30 years, and thousands of innocents have been killed, even hundreds of government officials during the 1980s.
germanicus24 2 years ago
I am very against Satrapi because I cared enough to go to Iran to see for myself and meet with peoples from all walks of life from many provinces, and it is clear Satrapi is a propagandist who lives bubbled up in a Tehran neighborhood, and spreads racist anti Islamic propaganda as if it was a personal view.
germanicus24 2 years ago
1) Racist: Because of the whole theme. Persepolis means "Islam is for the Arabs, we are superior Persians."
germanicus24 2 years ago
2) Anti Islamic: She claims the martyrs who defended Iran against Saddam were brainwashed youth who wanted 72 virgins in heaven, typical anti Islamic propaganda and rubbish. And she passes many offensive statements as that one as "personal experience".
germanicus24 2 years ago
just to make it clear iim an iranian came to united stated 8 yeaars ago when i was 15. my story i skinda like marji in the book. what i whant o say this is very begining of the new regime in iran(islamic republic of iran) now everything has melowed down.
but everything was just like in this book. they killed and wiped people for doing very simple things if they found it against islam. suck as drinking, dancing,......
stonedkid69 2 years ago
drinking is illegal only for muslims , jews can drink alcohol and so can jews , i have never ever ever seen anyone get arrested let alone killed for dancing in iran , so i just wont have that. You are a muslim? if so then why are you defending drinking alcohol? you should condemn its use.
darthsouheil 2 years ago
It became worldwide popular a while ago, but it doesn't matter. It means that those seeing beyond are all the more strong minded people :)
germanicus24 2 years ago
So what?
It's not necessarily the ends that make one evil, but the means and measures one takes.
Capone killed and bribed to supply people with alcohol -- Iranian officials kill and/or oppress their people to keep them away from the booze ...
Their intentions are worth a discussion, their measures are surely not!
TimotheosCauvin 2 years ago
Name a single Iranian killed by Iranian officials because of this reason. Deceiver!
You have no idea who is behind the inforcement of mistreatments in Iran. You think Ahmadinejad sends a note? Please, there are networks of corrupted mafias institutionalized in the previous governments which staged these things precisely for electoral gains and to keep the public away from their corruption in the previous administrations.
germanicus24 2 years ago
Oh wait a minute, you are an Evangelical (fake Christian pro Israel and anti Islam). Now I get why you deceive.
germanicus24 2 years ago
The Guardians of Iran; as protrayed in "Persepolis", they look to me like Fidel Castro clones.
yahooman2009 2 years ago
Teenager Castros? :P
germanicus24 2 years ago
Without cuban cigars in their mouths. :)
yahooman2009 2 years ago
True fanatic secularist below. Just as much as it is advertisement to call a Coca-Cola ad "advertisement".
germanicus24 2 years ago
it's propagand to call persepolis propaganda
sandelf 2 years ago
What I didn't like about this movie is how it depicts Iran as all grey and dark and evil and oppressive. That's just plain freaking propaganda to demonize a whole country, that is in fact a breathtakingly beautiful and colorful place. Watch the documentary called 'Inside Iran' (on google.video) to have a glimpse at what Iran actually looks like, and compare.
PloughTheSky 2 years ago 3
Actually I disapprove of people taking references from any third persons to get their images of reality. "Inside Iran" is just another British imperialist propaganda production of a far more dangerous nature than those which are extremist in their demonization of Iranians and Iran. It is very likely that such British imperialist productions of subtle propaganda are designed to pass as neutral when contrasted to the fanatic American-Israeli propaganda.
germanicus24 2 years ago
When being in Iran you can notice much better the fanaticism of both Persepolis and Rageh Inside Iran set ups.
germanicus24 2 years ago
Double Standards.
MAFHHZB 2 years ago 3
Worse than that: Premeditated double standards XD
germanicus24 2 years ago
but you have no right to impose that view unto others. It's a problem if you can't handle it. Alcohol is not the problem, it's the innate human predisposition to use alcohol in an attempt to escape society's existing problems.
unmerciful911 2 years ago
Yes I agree that Persepolis is very western but I cant agree thats its promote racisms. At least its not Marjane Satrapi intentions.
I just viewed it as her experience. The main critic in Persepolis is how the government inflict on peoples.
JaguarOFcomedy 2 years ago
That is exactly the aim of all this cultural war waged on Iran: To make people think that the most fanatic and fundamentalist propaganda against Iran is actually sincere "personal experiences". This is a brutal deception, and if you would be in Iran you would understand why after watching such a deceiving production.
germanicus24 2 years ago
This is no personal experience. This is full of subtle racist propaganda.
Like claiming the Iranian heroes of the war against Saddam were brainwashed kids looking for 72 virgins in paradise. This is hardcore anti Islamic propaganda, and a blatant dehumanization of those who protected Iran from the claws of a Saddam backed by the whole wide world.
germanicus24 2 years ago
very informative. i love watching your videos
PartyofG0d 2 years ago 3
Of course the American people and the American political system are worlds apart. It is not like in Iran where the people chose their own entire political system for themselves.
However, this propaganda was not made by the US, but it is typical European propaganda. It is now to become the mainstream type of propaganda against Iran with the Obama administration, since that is the line it takes, more along the track of British Imperialism than neocon approach.
germanicus24 2 years ago
You are so right about the BBC. What they do against Iran is exactly like the most pathetic Soviet propaganda the years before the wall fell. But not even Soviets were that desperate that they would go to the US to interview prostitutes, drug addicts and alcoholics there to portray them as representative, as it is done by the BBC on Iran.
germanicus24 2 years ago
persepolis is really a stupid film!!
Meyuya 2 years ago
Stupid for those who know the truth, but really brilliant when it comes to the massive brainwashing of human beings, and the massive forcing the acceptance of veiled hatred against Islam.
germanicus24 2 years ago
yep.......when i went to watch the film , the cinema hall was sooo full, that even some pple had to stand coz they didnt find a place to sit......i mean the film was sooo stupid, it even hasnt a real story !!
we live in a time where stupidness takes over the world !!.....i mean im not from iran, but i know that all that is just crap !!
Meyuya 2 years ago 3
Very true, and when an actual Iranian Muslim woman comes up with a similar story, speaking about her pride of being a religious woman living in the Islamic Republic, she is never given the world wide coverage that the racist Persepolis got.
The saddest thing is when ignorant people take this as a reference instead of reality, and swear on it being an accurate portrait of anything, when in reality it is veiled hardcore anti Islamic propaganda.
germanicus24 2 years ago
and we muslims just look on and even dont try to do anything !!......*sad*
Meyuya 2 years ago 4
Sadly some even like it. I see the same happening with all sorts of false representatives of Islam or Muslims, like queen Rania of Jordan and her monarchy which is Israel's best mate, or Al Qaeda and the Talibans who are CIA and Mossad jobs to make the world hate Islam and get a justification to invade any Middle Eastern country. Hopefully Muslims will always remember it that we get nothing done by pointing fingers at Israel if our own lifestyles are not full of meaning and sense.
germanicus24 2 years ago
i agree it is so bullshiit movie, it is not like that in Iran.
Iran is so free..i went there many times
ntm05 2 years ago 2
Propaganda is just a more evolved tool of population control. Why suppress violently when you can brainwash? We escaped physical colonialism, but now we're in an age of mental colonialism, something more dangerous, sinister and harder to fight off. If few people appreciate this video, that itself is a sign of how grave this problem has become.
tabrizi79 3 years ago 3
incredible, thank you germanicus
tabrizi79 3 years ago
Thanks to you. Very few people appreciate this video, since the 'Persepolis' type of propaganda is by far the most sophisticated form of cultural war against Iran.
germanicus24 3 years ago
You should really see the film to learn of the ways in which this European type of propaganda against Iran - which in contrast to the fanaticism of American and Israeli propaganda gets the status of "moderate" -, shapes and molds the minds of unaware public who have no clue how disgustingly they are being indoctrinated. Satrapi refers to hijab as oppressive, and even talks of the Shahid as brainwashed kids wanting to get 72 virgins in Jannah. Hardcore secularist propaganda.
germanicus24 3 years ago
Anyone who has actually saw the movie would know that author was a strong critic of the US and other western nations for their actions in Iran.. The only propaganda is by you Germanicus. To claim the movie "demonizes the beauty of Iran", part of the movie is the author standing up for her identity in a land where people tend to view Iranians as backwards and barbaric. The only thing Iranian she is critical of is the government. And within Iran her position is far from uncommon.
Dyamba19 3 years ago 2
All of that nonsensical paragraph is written by someone who didn't even take the trouble of going to Iran to see for him/herself, yet taking an entire reality from a cinematographic production! And parroting the blindly positive criticism this got in the media.
How do you know about the backgrounds of the author if you havent got the slightest clue on how she lies? How can you affirm this is a sincere biography, when you havent got a clue about the meaning of Behesht-e Zahra?
germanicus24 3 years ago
Everything is propaganda. From my videos to her very fancy and widely advertised productions. You think she does not have an agenda of secularization for Iran? You think she is just drawing some cartoons for the hell of it and satisfying her ego? Get a grip. How naive can you be to think a worldwide production is not propagating an agenda?
I have actually seen the movie, and I have taken the trouble of going to Iran to learn of their reality. What else did you do other than push play?
germanicus24 3 years ago
Not to even mention how far off your comment is from the subject of the video. It is clearly about the hypocrisy on addressing alcohol ban laws in different countries, and all I get from people like you are childish cries that this is not propaganda, just because you got too involved with a cinematographic production without the slightest interest to cross examine anything.
germanicus24 3 years ago
If everything is propaganda, what is your problem with propaganda? Ha, and you're calling my post nonsensical. I do think the women had an agenda to tell the story of her life. She probably favors a secularization of Iran or at least it's laws but so do many other Iranians. Her story didn't come from Hollywood script writers with a political agenda, it came from an Iranian about her own country, a person who lived there. Her story impressed me more then you saying you visited.
Dyamba19 3 years ago
What a child. Propaganda has a purpose! What is the purpose of your propaganda when you claim the heroes of a war against Saddam Hussein were brainwashed youngsters who wanted to get 72 virgins in heaven?
My propaganda is to try to give the Iranian people a little of what has been denied to them: a smile. If you have a problem with that propaganda and not with the above, then you clearly have a closed heart, and it is no wonder you take your realities from a global production.
germanicus24 3 years ago
Very valid argument there! "She lived there". I see you took logics for first graders!
So because Bush has lived in the US, because the Shah of Iran also lived in Iran as he murdered the innocents, as the Iranian opposition, simple men and women, who are either behind an internationalist monarchy which profited from blood spilling or a Marxist terrorist movement which killed many innocents, it means what they have to say is accurate and free of bad agendas?
germanicus24 3 years ago
Dyamba19,
Subscriber of the Israeli Defense Force idfnadesk YouTube channel.
We should have started off from there!
It is just beautiful to see those ignorant calling for secularism in Iran and calling these propagandistic productions as "well intended biographies" are all always tightly along the liens of the Israeli Ministry of Propaganda.
What a bunch of clowns Pharisees are.
germanicus24 3 years ago
This is for Fayrouz2008-I've gotten and read Marjane's books; including "Chicken with Plums & The Embriodies". I don't really considered Marjane Graphic Novels and her movie "Persepolis" propaganda, but I look another way around it. It is encoraging to me to look deep down at the propaganda and buffet of lies sended by society, media, governments, and churches, and I ask myself why, why do they assume that Iran a part of axis of evil and should be going to war against them?
yahooman2009 3 years ago
There's always oppression between the United States & Iran just like Isreal & Palestinian conflict. And bring peace in the Middle East is not going to cure the problem, it's just a temporary opium that the United States gives peace treaties to sign in. What could we do about it?
yahooman2009 3 years ago
The best propaganda, "because it is repeated so often, it spreads and receives reinforcement from all quarters as the stupid public regurgitates what it has learned in common discourse."
J.R. Nyquist
WorldNetDaily
"The best propaganda is subtle, even enjoyable, even while it is sneakily putting across a message that the audience might not be consciously aware of."
"The best propaganda is that which the target audience does not recognize as overtly propagandistic in nature."
germanicus24 3 years ago
If you would have been to Behesht-e Zahra and understand what it means in the Iranian spirit, you would not claim this movie is not propaganda when Satrapi portrays the martyrs of the war against Saddam as brainwashed youngsters going for 72 virgins in heaven. That is hardcore anti Islamic propaganda Rushdie style, no autobiography. Everything is propaganda, and you would have to be very naive that such a widely advertised movie, which went global, has no other agenda than a "sincere" view.
germanicus24 3 years ago
Do you think the people from Iran are going to welcome me to their country even though I'm an American? You say Persepolis by Marjane Satrapi is secular propaganda and her purpose is to demonize and secularize Iran and do you think it would of happen right now? But same goes to Mein Kamph by Adolf Hitler and HIS purpose is to establish Nazi Socialist Party in Germany during the 1930's and he did.
What do you think? Compare Marjane to Hitler?
yahooman2009 3 years ago
I would be very surprised if Iranians would not give you the warmest welcome. When I went to Azadi sq. to see how they celebrated their 1979 Islamic Revolution, I saw myself surrounded by hundreds of thousands of Iranians (no exaggeration), all chanting "Down with America", while they thought I was myself an American. Not only am I still in one piece, but seriously the worst I got from it was an invitation for lunch.
Indeed I have arguments to see Persepolis as evil and disgusting propaganda.
germanicus24 3 years ago
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tiamtheelf 3 years ago