@bodiloto, y que afinacion prefieres tu: La 440 (moderna) o La 432 (antigua)?......Placido un 'prodotto moderno'? que entiendes tu por 'prodotto moderno'? hahaha!...comenzo en el 61'! hahaha!. Tienes unos conceptos muy, pero que muy raros...hahaha!....Feliz 2012!...hihihi!
The real truth is this aria and role is too big for Domingo and he is a lirico spinto at best . Pavarotti was having a tough time but still did a nice job
In reality i wouldn't be ignorant to compare Ramon Vargas to Juan Diego Florez just for ONE simple reason. Ramon is nothing more than as top a full lyric tenor, while Juan Diego of course is a leggero. We have to remember that Ramon Vargas while in Mexico and for some time in his career did Sonnanbula, Barbiere and others in the leggero repertoire. Now Placido started out as a Baritone with the company of his father Placido senior and his mother Pepita Embil, then he went to the tenor fach.
well for Pavarotti, in fareness, it was easy to finish the aria the way he did it because he was well resting, you could hear the the rest aaaaannndd Domingo singing all along except Pavarotti. If Domingo had done the same(resting) , then the outcome would of been different.
@bodiloto Non ho lo spartito sottomano ma se non erro nell'originale l'acuto non c'è affatto. Comunque, per quanto io ami Domingo, devo ammettere che suoi acuti sono in effetti senza speranza!
@LordoftheTrapdoors se gli acuti di maestro Domingo sono 'senza speranza' perché hanno distrutto la lirica italiana per fare 'cantare' uno come Domingo?
Come si può 'creare' un 'ideale' di niente?!?
Così!
L'esistenza di maestro Domingo è la prova come nell'Italia (il paese del belcanto e dei tenori come Caruso,De Lucia,Taccani,Pertile,Gigli,Masini,Del Monaco,Corelli etc.) negli ultimi 45 anni lo stesso pubblico gridava 'bravo' à Corelli,Pavarotti e gridava 'bravo' anche à Domingo...
@bodiloto ho detto che gli acuti sono senza speranza. Ma trovo che i pregi di Domingo siano moltissimi. Come dici tu, la voce è uno strumento (e la sua, acuti e nasalità a parte, resta valida), e l'uso che ne fa ( teatralità, fraseggio, capacità di dare credibilità e coerenza ai personaggi -ahimè, così carente in molti artisti passati e presenti-) a me personalmente piace molto. Domingo resta un modello da ammirare, ma di certo non da imitare (come del resto Del Monaco, Di Stefano e altri)
Come artista era falso perché non aveva una bella voce (Stradivari) e tutto quello che faceva era falso.Quando un cantante non ha la voce(lo strumento) può fare tutto purtroppo diventa un 'artista' falso!Uno come Domingo chi ha 'cantato' tutta la sua vita il repertorio leggero senza acuti e il repertorio drammatico senza aver una voce drammatica non è un vero artista.
@LordoftheTrapdoors il do naturale nello spartito non c'è(è una vecchia tradizione),ma i tenori che conoscevano il mestiere e avevano La Voce cantavano il do naturale per l'effetto artistico.Qua non parliamo di una nota,di un suono...la conversazione è sulla bellezza e la forza artistica della interpretazione... spesso il pubblico 'dimentica' che la voce è uno strumento(come il violino Stradivari per esempio...)il pubblico moderno ha poco rispetto per i compositori e loro capolavori,è un fatto.
Domingo's nasally, depressing voice doesn't bring any dramatic appeal to this spinto role. Even though Pavarotti is not a spinto tenor, he brings the dramatic intensity too this role. Pavarotti sounds clear and strong. Domingo just sounds dull. How can anyone think that Domingo's rendition is more dramatic just because he has heavier voice? He sounds BOOOORING.
Los dos son maravillosos!!!!! ¿por que hay que compararlos? todas las personas son únicas y enimitables Y POR LO TANTO NO SE DEBEN CONPARA. esa es mi humilde opinión.
Obviously you don't have a concept of "maravilloso" Mingo, where is the Do? sucks as a tenor, that's why he goes out of breath. Pavarotti always was far superior. Now, are you calling Mingo (without Do) maravillso because you're hispanic. Get out of here
The ignorance of Pav fanboys is quite amazing.Domingo sang the act1 of Die Walkure then Ah si ben mio with great legato and lightness of timbre and they except him to compete with a Donizetti tenor who had a much lighter schedule of performances.
Pobres ignorantes, lo que le ha pasado ha Placido le puede pasar a cualquiera, a Pavarotti le paso miles de veces y hay videos que lo demuestran, pero si comparamos la voz enorme de Domingo con la voz de Pavarotti, este ni se le oye al lado, Domingo tiene una voz de mucho mas peso, y aun asi hizo mas del doble de roles de tenor que Pavarotti, nose quien puede tener mas merito, pero creo que Placido. Parece que ahora el mejor en todo es Pavarotti, hay que conocer un poco mas que los discos...
It's easy to compare a heavier voice to a light voice. Placido is a Spinto tenor while Pavarotti was a Tenore leggero. Nobody can deny the beauty of Placido's middle range and even lower notes while nobody can deny the beauty of Pavarotti's high notes. You should always combine the two and would get Franco Corelli. A great voice with a marvelous "ring" from top to bottom. Would you compare Juan Diego Florez to Ramón Vargas it would be ignorant to do it.
@gtelloz i do not think pavarotti was a leggiero. by no means. domingo just started as a baritone, trained up and developed a very low sound for a tenor. pavarotti was a true full blown spinto - he even sings mozart like a spinto. luis alva was the master example of a leggiero ...
Estas equivocado, Pavarotti era un tenor lirico puro, de hecho esta clasificado como uno de los pocos liricos que ha existido en los ultimos 100 años, a pesar de ser lirico tenia gran facilidad para los agudos debido a su maravillosa tecnica vocal, ni si quiera Kraus era ligero, pero Placido si es que es Spinto. Saludos
@alexgomez2 I beg your pardon????? Luciano Pavarotti was a lyric tenor, he was not a spinto unless you are talking about his spinto skills after 1980 onwards. Also, Placido Domingo was a dramatic tenor, however, he did a good job in a few lyric roles but not for very long as over mixed repertory along his career. Corelli was a spinto-dramatic tenor and Juan Diego Flores a pure leggero. You got wrong register definitions my friend.
@alexgomez2 Sólo una aclaración: aunque Pavarotti cantó -de manera soberbia, por cierto- papeles ligeros, a diferencia de Juan Diego Flórez o Alfredo Krauz, él fue tenor lírico por excelencia. Más sorprendente aún es que, aunque fueron pocos los papeles dramáticos que cantó, lo hizo de una manera realmente sensacional, en especial en sus papeles verdianos.
@cesim82 - I accept your motion that Pavarotti was a Tenore Lirico. I'm not sure I accept that Placido is not a pure Spinto. To me Del Monaco was Dramatico nos Spinto but it's a matter of taste. However that wasn't the point of my comment, but to indicate that to compare pears with bananas is foolish. Don't you agree with that?
You bark a lot. I don't remember throwing youa bone. Now go to your corner, and be a good boy. Stop barking. You're just as helpless as Mingo -another hispanic with a large ego and limited talent.
Someone like you who has Paul Potts and Placido Domingo on his favor videos has issues with opera. By the way, yes I do agree with theinquistive4Ever about Mingo (where is the Do) it's his saying and I found it very appropriate.
Mingo (Where's the B4, never mind the Do?) is despicable. His performance is shameful. As a supposed tenore lyrico/dramatico he should be able to sing Di Quella Pira -yet he never did. Note that this was i 1993. Pava was 58 years of age and struggling with morbid obesity and yet he could muster an impressive final cadence.
I agree, Domingo's upper register was always weak and strained. Vocally Domigo was always inferior to Pavarotti and then he tried to compensate with his acting (just like Villazon does now). Domingo seimpre fue el hazme reir de Pavarotti!
Estoy contigo en eso, and if you click the video response below posted by Mooorhe you'll see a most astonishing ending for the "so-called-tenor" placido Mingo (donde esta el Do)
Para empezar la Pira está bajada de tono, y no será por Domingo solamente, sino por Pavarotti que antes de esto ya la cantaba bajada SIEMPRE, el agudo de Plácido está excelente hasta que se queda corto de fiato (el fue quien hizo el final con el coro, mientras Pavarotti quedaba callado). Prestar atención.
In case you didn't realize he runs out of breath and cannot even produce a glorious before in Di Quella Pira. It's despicable. Amateurs tenors sing this beautiful aria better. You're just another Mingo (Where's the Do?) hooligan whose support is due to xenophobic factors. Mingo should have become a mariachi singer with his poor vocal technique.
You are very, very ignorant, musically speaking. What could u posibly know about music ¿?... All your argumentos are totally absurd. That he has not a Do, that he does not have a technique, that he is throaty... Absurd, everything!!!
You don´t know NOTHING, you are ignorant and stupid. The aria is half a step down, Pavarotti always sung it in that key, in the final, with the chorus is Domingo who is singing, listen the final before the hight note. Ignorant. it is only breath! Ignorant.
When you were growing up in a shithole of a latin americna country I was attending opera in the most reputable venues and probably know more people in the business then you ever will. You're just another clueless Mingo (where's the do?" hooligan. His singing is throaty, hooted and pushed which are indicative of a problematic technique. I'd suggest you get a clue before you express your ignorance.
I don´t know if you did attend opera or not . What I know is that you don´t know a shit of opera and of singing. I don´t think you know more people in the opera business than me... from singers, to conductors, agents, directors, managers, etc. Problematic technique of Domingo?.Throaty?.pushed?.you really don´t know nothing, ignorant. see musicality, musical line, phrasing, expresion, and yes, all the register, pasaggio, etc, You lean, ignorant.
Oh really? Yes. Mingo does sound throaty, hooted and pushed. Are you deaf? You're repeating here a few technical terms pertaining to singing but they do not necessarily apply to Mingo. Instead of parroting nonsense, go get informed. This very clip as a matter of fact shows how inferior his singing is.
@dendrix01 Tu comentario es patético, demostrás no tener idea a cerca de ópera. Domingo ha sido considerado el "mejor tenor de la historia" por un grupo de musicólogos reunidos por la BBC. Un cantante puede gustar más que otro, eso es innegable. Pero quienes han tenido carreras excepcionales o están en camino de tenerlas, caso de Villazón, a quien te referís estúpidamente, es por algo y no precisamente por mediocres. Lástima que no se cobre impuestos por decir idioteces...
Domingo clears goes out of breath and his voice vanishes compared with Pavarotti's full power. This role, however, was never for Domingo who has a very weak upper register and usually crack in the high notes. Mingo (where is the Do) doesn't have a High C; and even his B4 is very weak.
recomiendo a jcbcn751 que mire el primero las partituras, para ello que aprenda a leer musica y luego vea quein hace mas justicia a la musica. Decir que bajar una aria es estafar?... si es así, entonces han estafado todos, desde Domingo a Caruso, hasta Corelli y por supuesto, Pavarotti, que cantaba tanto la Pira como che gelida manina bajado (y hasta recondita armonia en recitales).
JAJAJA!!! Menuda hostia se pega domingo en el Si, jajaja, no puedo parar de reír, jajaja, si acaso también podrías ponerte al lado de Alfredo Kraus cuando canta los nueve DO de la Fille dú régiment a ver si dabas ni medio...juajuajua, pobre plácido se le va el agudo al culo y Pavarotti sigue y sigue, bravo Luciano!!!
Bueno aunque no soy partidario de la burla ni el sarcarmo, a ninguno de ustedes le falta razón, es decir, acaso no sabía domingo que haría el ridículo cantando con Luciano? Luciano tenía un talento innato en la zona agua en la respiración, el arte de los dos es muy bueno pero claro, aqui hace falta tener agudos sotenidos, bien impostados y una buena respiración, y claro que le vas a contar a Luciano de esto.
El aria está bajada de tono, así que si le podemos contar a Luciano de esto, que dicho sea de paso ya desde mucho antes, cuando la cantó, la bajaba. Domingo haría el ridículo cantando con Pavarotti?... Què ignorancia muestras con un comentario tan bobo. Sigue escuchando.
It is true, domingo runs out of breath. but finished the aria with the chorus... he showld have stopped when he finished the note... but he had to push to finish at the same time as pavarotti and that didn´t sound good on the recording...
So what are you saying? Regardless, Domingo gases out because he lacks either the lung capacity, technique, or some combination of the two when compared to Pavarotti. They start the last note together. I don't know what you were listening to.
Of course, they hitted the high note together, Plácido was out of breath and he should have stopped before, that´s all.
He was the one who was singing with the chorus before, not pavarotti, you have to know this. Pavarotti sung the first part of the chorus, then Placido... and they they hit the high note together.
Si bien es cierto, Luciano era de los Tres tenores el que mayor control del registro tenia, Domingo con la primera aria es muy bueno, el final es un Si y lo que espera el público es un final poderoso y sorprendente, creo que lo consiguieron, es inedito que cantaran esta aria juntos...Si a Placido se le acaba el aire, pues es una nota realmente dificil.
The aria is very difficult and was very well sung. Paying attention to the fiorituras; proper legato & expression. The Pira is transposed down half a tone, Pav full voiced singing, good. In the part with chorus Pav does the first part and Domingo alone in the next, including the 2 all'armi(s)before the high note (bad choice since he was obviosly short of fiato that night).
Then, the all'ar...............mi! Domingo was short of breath and pushed in the "mi!", but because of the fiato, he was clearly on the note before /all´aaaaaaaaa). Pav did it longer cause of his rest in the singing with the chorus and because has more facility in the high notes (that is very well known).
Although Pavarotti performs well in 'Il Trovatore', this role is more suited to Domingo's voice. Although, my favourite tenor on this role is Del Monaco (nobody sings Di quella piera as him)
MAGNIFICO!! BRAVO!!...que barbaro es increible la gente parece saltar de sus asientos y romperse las manos aplaudiendo...que momento por dios!!!! que afortunados los que estuvieron ahí!!
I really love tucker, but to me the most pleasing "Ah! sì ben mio" is Domingo's from 1978 in Vienna... and that's not fan syndrome, that's my true, unbiased opinion
but Corelli's "Di quella pira" is unmatched... Bonisolli's live 1983 rendition in Tokyo was spectacular too.
Pavarotti sounds hugely better than Domingo here, and not just on the higher notes. He sound more dramatic than Domingo, which given that he is supposed to be the lighter voice, is not saying much. And yes, at the end of the B, Domingo is almost harmonising with Pavarotti he is that far under the pitch.
domingo is my favorite present-day tenor, but i must admit his "di quella pira" is no good. even when he was very young it wasn't good. pavarotti's on the other hand, especially in this age (1988 through 1993) was AWESOME.
singers sometimes, betrayed by nerves, or many things, can't get high notes easily. And i think is unfair to compare domingo and Pavarotti as Manrico. Pavarotti is tremendoulsy good here, and Domingo can't compete here.
@OettingerCroat I respect the fact that PD is your favorite tenor, But its perplexing. He never does mezza voce, diminuendo, and transposes a lot. He strains in the center register and the high notes are not good. I saw him in i PAGLACCI about 15years ago, he was hardly audible. He lefT out the 2nd B natural in NO PAGIACCIO NON SON.(WORLD CLASS TENOR? nice quality.Has sung130 different operas, without a signature role.OTELLO,CHENIER,FORZA,AIDA,TROVATOREare too big for him.WHAT AM I MISSING?ENJOY
@sugarbist Thank you, thank you for saying so succinctly what I've always felt. You also left out the fact that PD's diction is bad in all those languages he tries to sing in. Even his Italian has a Spanish accent. I'm sure he's a nice man and does a lot of good public works, but a great singer? No. No. No. No. No.
Now, this is fun. Too bad there is no video to go with it. I think many of the comments on Domingo below are unjustified. He has produced thrilling rendition after thrilling rendition. Nevertheless, Pavarotti clearly takes it home here - the tenor of tenors...clear, sharp, sparkling, unbeatable.
I am afraid the comments on Domingo's shortcomings in regard to timbre of his voice and upper register are correct. His initial training was a baritone, and then transitioned to the tenor range. He sounds hooted and his high notes do not have a pleasant ring, if any ring at all. Especially the Bs and above sound strangled mostly. He's a good tenor all right but by no means exceptional as Pavarotti.
DOmingo had problems with his high notes throughout all his life. The LIVE recordings where he sings decent B Flats are rare let alone B Naturals or C's.. THis is not bashing but simple facts.
The voice is warm and the timbre majestic but this doesn't hide the technical shortcomings the tenor experienced all his life.
What a lot of BULLSHIT!. Yes he didn´t have a majestic high C but I heard him singing high B´s beautifully. Well... it is your stupid none existent opinion against most of the rest of the world.
Also... look at the "Ah, si ben mio coll´esere sung by Domingo. Production from Vienna, Karajan conducting. That was simply Spectacular. I think it will shut your mouth... or in this case, your fingers.
Great debate about how is dramatic or spinto or lyric. Could someone give some examples of 5 dramatic tenor, 5 spintos, and 5 liric? that would be fun and useful. Thx!
I don't think so. I heard Bonisolli at the begiining and near the end of his career. It was not a particularly big voice. Certainly it was nothing like that of Vickers or Corelli.
I never heard Tucker live but those whom I respect always remark on the size of the voice. I heard Bergonzi here and abroad. His voice was too small IMHO for American opera houses.
Drammatic voices may not be pretty so they often don't record well e.g. McCracken, Chauvet, Cossuta, etc.
Too true, these things are known as Vocal and Vowel formants in which the singer attains a certain sound frequency or by modifying a vowel to knock the walls down.
Yes I know. That's essentially what I wrote about about Bergonzi. It certainly wasn't a particularly large voice, nor small, but it was placed forward, which is correct of course. His Radames was well known, and that's not the domain of a pure lyric, but he met it head-on. I was disagreeing with an earlier comment about Bergonzi's voice being too small for American Houses- nothing could be further than the truth, and I heard him at that Barn they call the Metropolitan Opera House.
@Kafkandinsky Bjorling was a lyric spinto.Never Dramatic Nor Spinto. DEL MONACO,ZENATELLO, DEMURO, PAOLI MERLI, PICCALUGA &tamagno were dramatic.Try LAURI VOLPI ,Fillipeschi FOR Dramatic squillante whom were not dramatic tenors and maybe Vasco Campagnano.ENJOY
I agree with your classification, not quite sure on Domingo being a full bodied dramatic like del Monaco, it amused me that you neglected to give the names of the lyrics a capital letter:P
and I agree domingo isnt as dramatic as del monaco... But he IS the definitve Otello of our time, and that is more or less impossible to achieve without being a dramatic tenor.
also, he is more dramatic and dark than any of the spintos i listed, too. i mean, the guy is a dramatic tenor, simple. :-)
Yes, unfortunately he's considered the definitive Otello of this time, but he's not on my watch. A lyric baritone who managed to push his voice up, and barely make a bflat. He's got to be the least interesting voice I've ever heard, with the exception of Bjorling, I've heard all of the above.
Estas equivocado, no tienes mas que oir a cualquiera de los que has dicho, tanto en registro vocal como en coloratura de la voz, ni Corelli, Del Monaco y Bonisolli son dramaticos, al contrario, liricos-espintos y el unico que se podría aproximar es Domingo, aunque tampoco por que su color no es de un dramatico, aunque su registro si, de ahi que se le califique de lirico-dramatico. Aprende y escucha mas chaval.
No me has entendido bien. Yo te digo que la nota mas aguda que da domingo es un SI natural, por lo que si le sumas sus graves, te sale un tenor dramatico, pero por otro lado, si lo escuchamos que es a lo que voy, no es un dramatico sino lirico, no tiene ese color oscuro propio de otro como Giacomini, de ahi que el mismo diga estar a caballo entre un lirico y un dramatico (lirico-dramatico) y date cuenta tambien que viene de ser un baritono...nose y los demas ni Corelli ni Del Monaco ni de coña..
@gtelloz Dramatic.DelMonaco,Tamagno,zenatello.Merli,Nino Piccaluga.Spinto.Corelli,Campagnano,Caruso,Fillipeschi&Tucker.Lyric.Kraus.Gedda,DeSTEFANO,Fisichella and THE GREAT LAURI VOLPI. ENJOY
I'm certain that Domingo cracks the B very badly here. He gets the first part of the last 'al alarmi' okay. But then he cracks and makes a rather hideous noise.
Giacomini si es Deamatico, pero Bonisolli no lo es, Bonisolli era u tenor spinto, que hacia de su canta un drama es una cosa pero jamas lo fue. Domingo es un tenor lirico que ahora con su edad llego a cantar el repertorio de un spinto y roles de tenor dramatico, pero eso no se le considera ser tenor dramatico y si es cierto pavarotti puede cantar el do ala perfeccion, pero il trovatore era ideal mas bien para la voz de un tenor spinto. como Corelli,Bonisolli,Martinucci,Bartolini etc etc.
Elohssa You are missing how Domingo became worlwide known. Until his 40s he sung in a furious full voice that match his volume with Nilsson, Del Monaco, big sound.
People who heard him at the Theater Colon in Buenos Aires said he was able make the house full of his sound, something few singers did in history. Pavarotti was critized in the Boheme at the same place for so small sound.
@bodiloto, y que afinacion prefieres tu: La 440 (moderna) o La 432 (antigua)?......Placido un 'prodotto moderno'? que entiendes tu por 'prodotto moderno'? hahaha!...comenzo en el 61'! hahaha!. Tienes unos conceptos muy, pero que muy raros...hahaha!....Feliz 2012!...hihihi!
millonety123 1 month ago
Domingo isn't a tenor lirico spinto, he is a SPINTO. Stop. His last note is terrible. Pavarotti is perfect!
edmanetti 2 months ago
Domingo è penoso...quell'urlo vacillante
MrDiabo76 3 months ago
Where is possible found this audio??
Caballefans 8 months ago
The real truth is this aria and role is too big for Domingo and he is a lirico spinto at best . Pavarotti was having a tough time but still did a nice job
sugarbist 1 year ago
lastima que los cantantes de ahora no tengan esa calidad vocal, oir los cantantes de reggeton dan ganas de vomitar, vivan los tenores legendarios
agreval74 1 year ago
Two of the biggest and most famous voices of the opera together, really great, pity not to see it.
ttirovapa 1 year ago
domingo cracked! bravo Luciano! Domingo... puajjjjjj
Frikinetto 1 year ago 3
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fa schifo nemorino
andyroma72 1 year ago
7:12 ; la voz de Domingo parecía el fallido despegue de un cohete, mientras la de Pavarotti ascendía hasta el mismo sol...
francorelli 1 year ago
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Pavarotti beats Domingo completely again !!!
tranxuannghia 1 year ago
In reality i wouldn't be ignorant to compare Ramon Vargas to Juan Diego Florez just for ONE simple reason. Ramon is nothing more than as top a full lyric tenor, while Juan Diego of course is a leggero. We have to remember that Ramon Vargas while in Mexico and for some time in his career did Sonnanbula, Barbiere and others in the leggero repertoire. Now Placido started out as a Baritone with the company of his father Placido senior and his mother Pepita Embil, then he went to the tenor fach.
dungeounmaster 1 year ago
no they're both great masters.. please don't exagerate that domingo is dull and pavarotti is the best... they're both amazing!
kungura 1 year ago
4:43 guess what is happening. it's quite funny.
wattever333 1 year ago
well for Pavarotti, in fareness, it was easy to finish the aria the way he did it because he was well resting, you could hear the the rest aaaaannndd Domingo singing all along except Pavarotti. If Domingo had done the same(resting) , then the outcome would of been different.
decatlon14 2 years ago
Domingo was a baritone and pushed in order to sing more profitable tenor roles. It is good to hear him singing in his natural voice.
esclarmonde1 2 years ago 3
Pavarotti beats Domingo completely !!!
tranxuannghia 2 years ago 4
wow, how pavarotti completely turns the thing round after a dull performance by Domingo. bravo
cornificius22vain 2 years ago 3
a baritone leaves the stage so a real TENOR can finish the job, bravo Luciano!
tklogan11809 2 years ago 2
un baritono /Simone /,e un tenore leggero !
l'originale e con do naturale ! pavarotti canta si,
domingo come sempre dal vivo senza acuti,al limite !
bodiloto 2 years ago 21
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@bodiloto NON CAPISCI NULLA LO RIBADISCO
DOMINGO L'HA CANTATA 1000 VOLTE PIU DI PAVAROTTI E MEGLIO
PAVAROTTI E' NEMORINO TENORINO
andyroma72 2 years ago
@andyroma amico ,sei italiano leggi quello che ho schritto,e poi mi sorprendi amico mio perche?
A te piace Domingo bravo,a me piace Giacomini,
e bello ,no? . Ogniuno i propri gusti .Ciao .
bodiloto 2 years ago
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@bodiloto CHI MANCA E' PAVAROTTI CHE DOVREBBE SFOGGIARE IL SUO TANTO DECANTATO DO( MA DOVE?) DOMINGO VA BENE
andyroma72 1 year ago
@bodiloto Non ho lo spartito sottomano ma se non erro nell'originale l'acuto non c'è affatto. Comunque, per quanto io ami Domingo, devo ammettere che suoi acuti sono in effetti senza speranza!
LordoftheTrapdoors 2 months ago
@LordoftheTrapdoors se gli acuti di maestro Domingo sono 'senza speranza' perché hanno distrutto la lirica italiana per fare 'cantare' uno come Domingo?
Come si può 'creare' un 'ideale' di niente?!?
Così!
L'esistenza di maestro Domingo è la prova come nell'Italia (il paese del belcanto e dei tenori come Caruso,De Lucia,Taccani,Pertile,Gigli,Masini,Del Monaco,Corelli etc.) negli ultimi 45 anni lo stesso pubblico gridava 'bravo' à Corelli,Pavarotti e gridava 'bravo' anche à Domingo...
bodiloto 2 months ago
@bodiloto ho detto che gli acuti sono senza speranza. Ma trovo che i pregi di Domingo siano moltissimi. Come dici tu, la voce è uno strumento (e la sua, acuti e nasalità a parte, resta valida), e l'uso che ne fa ( teatralità, fraseggio, capacità di dare credibilità e coerenza ai personaggi -ahimè, così carente in molti artisti passati e presenti-) a me personalmente piace molto. Domingo resta un modello da ammirare, ma di certo non da imitare (come del resto Del Monaco, Di Stefano e altri)
LordoftheTrapdoors 2 months ago
@LordoftheTrapdoors un bellissimo commento!
Io non sopporto la mediocrità e la falsità.
Come tenore per me Domingo era mediocre.
Come artista era falso perché non aveva una bella voce (Stradivari) e tutto quello che faceva era falso.Quando un cantante non ha la voce(lo strumento) può fare tutto purtroppo diventa un 'artista' falso!Uno come Domingo chi ha 'cantato' tutta la sua vita il repertorio leggero senza acuti e il repertorio drammatico senza aver una voce drammatica non è un vero artista.
bodiloto 2 months ago
@LordoftheTrapdoors Domingo è un prodotto moderno,è il risultato della preparazione del pubblico moderno e la pubblicità.
Prima l'arrivo di Domingo sul mercato cantavano più di 40 tenori tutti migliori di Domingo.
Oggigiorno non è rimasto nessuno.
Attualmente chiudono teatri nell'Italia e per i politici italiani i cantanti sono dei 'parassiti'...
Ecco dove è arrivata la lirica italiana,l'arte più bella del mondo.
No comment.
bodiloto 2 months ago
@LordoftheTrapdoors il do naturale nello spartito non c'è(è una vecchia tradizione),ma i tenori che conoscevano il mestiere e avevano La Voce cantavano il do naturale per l'effetto artistico.Qua non parliamo di una nota,di un suono...la conversazione è sulla bellezza e la forza artistica della interpretazione... spesso il pubblico 'dimentica' che la voce è uno strumento(come il violino Stradivari per esempio...)il pubblico moderno ha poco rispetto per i compositori e loro capolavori,è un fatto.
bodiloto 2 months ago
The only time (domingo) was beating PAVAROTTI was when they read scores
Bjoerrelli 2 years ago 2
Luciano is thrilling. Domingo....not so much.
chrissy1095 2 years ago 3
schade, dass der MINGO auch noch mitbrüllen muss!
naj, der MET gefällts; hahahahahah!!!
rezila 2 years ago
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bodiloto 2 years ago
BRUTAL por mas que lo oigo una y otra vez, ese SI final es impresionante. Lastima que no hayan videos, pagaria lo que fuera por tenerlo.
fofesni 2 years ago
Domingo's nasally, depressing voice doesn't bring any dramatic appeal to this spinto role. Even though Pavarotti is not a spinto tenor, he brings the dramatic intensity too this role. Pavarotti sounds clear and strong. Domingo just sounds dull. How can anyone think that Domingo's rendition is more dramatic just because he has heavier voice? He sounds BOOOORING.
tonyhan0903 2 years ago 5
non s possono paragonare ... LUCIANO PAVAROTTI è DI UN ALTRO PIANETA ma neanche a paragone...
AleBro83 2 years ago 5
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@AleBro83 STA ZITTO PAVAROTTI E' LIRICO DOMINGO E' DRAMMATICO
OTELLO VS NEMORINO
MA COSA CAPISCI
andyroma72 2 years ago
@andyroma72 Nemorino e´ leggero...
francorelli 1 year ago
@francorelli Nemorino e leggero ma Tenore!Pavarotti era vero tenore lirico leggero con bellissimi acuti,nel suo repertorio era bravissimo!
Domingo hà cominciato come baritono di zarzuela e al gorno d'oggi "canta" come baritono verdiano /Rigoletto,Simone/!
Come hà fatto la carriera Domingo senza do e senza si naturale?
Dopo il suo Rigoletto hà mostrato al mondo intero che é un "vero" baritono verdiano corto, cioe "ah,la maledizione" non ha cantato il la naturale,
ascolta Corelli.
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@bodiloto HA FATTO LA CARRIERA PERCHE E' GRANDE E TU SEI INVIDIOSO COME SEMPRE
andyroma72 1 year ago
Los dos son maravillosos!!!!! ¿por que hay que compararlos? todas las personas son únicas y enimitables Y POR LO TANTO NO SE DEBEN CONPARA. esa es mi humilde opinión.
iamthemusic1 2 years ago
Obviously you don't have a concept of "maravilloso" Mingo, where is the Do? sucks as a tenor, that's why he goes out of breath. Pavarotti always was far superior. Now, are you calling Mingo (without Do) maravillso because you're hispanic. Get out of here
catholicdude1973 2 years ago
The ignorance of Pav fanboys is quite amazing.Domingo sang the act1 of Die Walkure then Ah si ben mio with great legato and lightness of timbre and they except him to compete with a Donizetti tenor who had a much lighter schedule of performances.
cer1n 2 years ago
Pobres ignorantes, lo que le ha pasado ha Placido le puede pasar a cualquiera, a Pavarotti le paso miles de veces y hay videos que lo demuestran, pero si comparamos la voz enorme de Domingo con la voz de Pavarotti, este ni se le oye al lado, Domingo tiene una voz de mucho mas peso, y aun asi hizo mas del doble de roles de tenor que Pavarotti, nose quien puede tener mas merito, pero creo que Placido. Parece que ahora el mejor en todo es Pavarotti, hay que conocer un poco mas que los discos...
fofesni 2 years ago
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@fofesni TIENES RAZON SOY ITALIANO PERO SOY SINCERO,DOMINGO ES OTRO NIVEL EL PROBLEMA ES QUE NO HA MUERTO...
andyroma72 2 years ago
It's easy to compare a heavier voice to a light voice. Placido is a Spinto tenor while Pavarotti was a Tenore leggero. Nobody can deny the beauty of Placido's middle range and even lower notes while nobody can deny the beauty of Pavarotti's high notes. You should always combine the two and would get Franco Corelli. A great voice with a marvelous "ring" from top to bottom. Would you compare Juan Diego Florez to Ramón Vargas it would be ignorant to do it.
alexgomez2 2 years ago 2
agree
gtelloz 2 years ago
@gtelloz i do not think pavarotti was a leggiero. by no means. domingo just started as a baritone, trained up and developed a very low sound for a tenor. pavarotti was a true full blown spinto - he even sings mozart like a spinto. luis alva was the master example of a leggiero ...
gwachberg 1 year ago
@gwachberg If you say Pav was a full blown lyric, I would buy it. In fact, that's what he said about himself.
Lyric, no more.
rovingdesertfox 10 months ago
I agree too
Marcos2008Scarpia 2 years ago
Estas equivocado, Pavarotti era un tenor lirico puro, de hecho esta clasificado como uno de los pocos liricos que ha existido en los ultimos 100 años, a pesar de ser lirico tenia gran facilidad para los agudos debido a su maravillosa tecnica vocal, ni si quiera Kraus era ligero, pero Placido si es que es Spinto. Saludos
fofesni 2 years ago
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@fofesni PLACIDO ES DRAMATICO
andyroma72 2 years ago
@alexgomez2 : Sólo una aclaración: Pavarotti nunca fue tenor ligero, es, fue y será EL tenor lírico por excelencia.
dendrix01 1 year ago 2
@alexgomez2 I can ( : to "deny the beauty of Placido's middle range". Sorry...
TraVoiBelle 1 year ago
@alexgomez2 I beg your pardon????? Luciano Pavarotti was a lyric tenor, he was not a spinto unless you are talking about his spinto skills after 1980 onwards. Also, Placido Domingo was a dramatic tenor, however, he did a good job in a few lyric roles but not for very long as over mixed repertory along his career. Corelli was a spinto-dramatic tenor and Juan Diego Flores a pure leggero. You got wrong register definitions my friend.
tena2 1 year ago
@tena2 Granted! Won´t you agree that cmparing Plácido to Luciano is a bit unfair to both?
alexgomez2 1 year ago
@alexgomez2 There are no comparisons to me as they play in a different league.
tena2 1 year ago
@alexgomez2 Sólo una aclaración: aunque Pavarotti cantó -de manera soberbia, por cierto- papeles ligeros, a diferencia de Juan Diego Flórez o Alfredo Krauz, él fue tenor lírico por excelencia. Más sorprendente aún es que, aunque fueron pocos los papeles dramáticos que cantó, lo hizo de una manera realmente sensacional, en especial en sus papeles verdianos.
dendrix01 1 year ago
@alexgomez2
Dude what are you talking about. Placido is not
a pure spinto tenor. Pure spinto think about Mario
del Monaco. Placido is more between lyric spinto
and spinto. Pavarotto is a lyric spinto. Leggiero is
Juan Diego Florez.
cesim82 1 week ago
@cesim82 - I accept your motion that Pavarotti was a Tenore Lirico. I'm not sure I accept that Placido is not a pure Spinto. To me Del Monaco was Dramatico nos Spinto but it's a matter of taste. However that wasn't the point of my comment, but to indicate that to compare pears with bananas is foolish. Don't you agree with that?
alexgomez2 1 week ago
Compared to Pavarotti, Domingo is just a small sunnyboy.
kritikoreal 2 years ago 2
Poor Manrico in the Placido's voice...
TraVoiBelle 2 years ago 4
"Ah, si ben mio = TUCKER
Di quella pira = CORELLI "
I would prob. agree. Or Caruso maybe for Ah si.
ShawDAMAN 2 years ago 2
Mingo, boooo, booooo, boooo, booooo, boooooo DOMNGO BOOO, BOOO, BOOO.
BRAVO PAVAROTTI , BRAVO IL MAESTRO!!!!
operapimp 2 years ago 4
Certo....
QUESTANOTTE88 2 years ago
7:11 a Domingo's voice is broken...horrible....Pava's voice= THE BEST,strong and clearly
QUESTANOTTE88 2 years ago 5
The best Manrico: FRANCO BONISOLLI!
jcbcn751 2 years ago
...still I can't stop enjoying Mingo going out of breath...yeah! that's it, he sucks
operapimp 2 years ago 4
Mingo's horrible technique and lack of upper register is just adequate for his lack-of-taste fans like you.
operapimp 2 years ago 4
You bark a lot. I don't remember throwing youa bone. Now go to your corner, and be a good boy. Stop barking. You're just as helpless as Mingo -another hispanic with a large ego and limited talent.
TheInquisitive4Ever 2 years ago 2
Someone like you who has Paul Potts and Placido Domingo on his favor videos has issues with opera. By the way, yes I do agree with theinquistive4Ever about Mingo (where is the Do) it's his saying and I found it very appropriate.
operapimp 2 years ago
Mingo (Where's the B4, never mind the Do?) is despicable. His performance is shameful. As a supposed tenore lyrico/dramatico he should be able to sing Di Quella Pira -yet he never did. Note that this was i 1993. Pava was 58 years of age and struggling with morbid obesity and yet he could muster an impressive final cadence.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago
I agree, Domingo's upper register was always weak and strained. Vocally Domigo was always inferior to Pavarotti and then he tried to compensate with his acting (just like Villazon does now). Domingo seimpre fue el hazme reir de Pavarotti!
picapin 3 years ago
Estoy contigo en eso, and if you click the video response below posted by Mooorhe you'll see a most astonishing ending for the "so-called-tenor" placido Mingo (donde esta el Do)
operapimp 3 years ago
Para empezar la Pira está bajada de tono, y no será por Domingo solamente, sino por Pavarotti que antes de esto ya la cantaba bajada SIEMPRE, el agudo de Plácido está excelente hasta que se queda corto de fiato (el fue quien hizo el final con el coro, mientras Pavarotti quedaba callado). Prestar atención.
gonzalordm 2 years ago
In case you didn't realize he runs out of breath and cannot even produce a glorious before in Di Quella Pira. It's despicable. Amateurs tenors sing this beautiful aria better. You're just another Mingo (Where's the Do?) hooligan whose support is due to xenophobic factors. Mingo should have become a mariachi singer with his poor vocal technique.
TheInquisitive4Ever 2 years ago
You are very, very ignorant, musically speaking. What could u posibly know about music ¿?... All your argumentos are totally absurd. That he has not a Do, that he does not have a technique, that he is throaty... Absurd, everything!!!
You don´t know NOTHING, you are ignorant and stupid. The aria is half a step down, Pavarotti always sung it in that key, in the final, with the chorus is Domingo who is singing, listen the final before the hight note. Ignorant. it is only breath! Ignorant.
gonzalordm 2 years ago
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When you were growing up in a shithole of a latin americna country I was attending opera in the most reputable venues and probably know more people in the business then you ever will. You're just another clueless Mingo (where's the do?" hooligan. His singing is throaty, hooted and pushed which are indicative of a problematic technique. I'd suggest you get a clue before you express your ignorance.
TheInquisitive4Ever 2 years ago
I live in Perú, and it is a lot of fun.
I don´t know if you did attend opera or not . What I know is that you don´t know a shit of opera and of singing. I don´t think you know more people in the opera business than me... from singers, to conductors, agents, directors, managers, etc. Problematic technique of Domingo?.Throaty?.pushed?.you really don´t know nothing, ignorant. see musicality, musical line, phrasing, expresion, and yes, all the register, pasaggio, etc, You lean, ignorant.
gonzalordm 2 years ago
Oh really? Yes. Mingo does sound throaty, hooted and pushed. Are you deaf? You're repeating here a few technical terms pertaining to singing but they do not necessarily apply to Mingo. Instead of parroting nonsense, go get informed. This very clip as a matter of fact shows how inferior his singing is.
TheInquisitive4Ever 2 years ago
@TheInquisitive4Ever The saddest thing is that "Mingo" is even more pathetic as mariachi singer.
dendrix01 1 year ago
@picapin "Mingo" no sólo fue el hazmerreir del gran Pavarotti, sino de la ópera. Y si él es patético, ni qué decir de "Payazón".
dendrix01 1 year ago
@dendrix01 Tu comentario es patético, demostrás no tener idea a cerca de ópera. Domingo ha sido considerado el "mejor tenor de la historia" por un grupo de musicólogos reunidos por la BBC. Un cantante puede gustar más que otro, eso es innegable. Pero quienes han tenido carreras excepcionales o están en camino de tenerlas, caso de Villazón, a quien te referís estúpidamente, es por algo y no precisamente por mediocres. Lástima que no se cobre impuestos por decir idioteces...
socratesplaton007 9 months ago
@socratesplaton007 AS ALWAYS PLACI MINGO CAN'T HIT HIGH C! listen to Corelli, Bonisolli and the one and only MARIO FILIPPESCHI....the king of acuti!
suchero 8 months ago
Domingo clears goes out of breath and his voice vanishes compared with Pavarotti's full power. This role, however, was never for Domingo who has a very weak upper register and usually crack in the high notes. Mingo (where is the Do) doesn't have a High C; and even his B4 is very weak.
operapimp 3 years ago
thank you AZo9jojo by the way these are wonderful singers i like theme both but i think pavarotti's the best ... sorry .
thomassmile 3 years ago
where was it ? could somebody tell me ?
thomassmile 3 years ago
at the metropolitan opera house in new york
AZo9jojo 3 years ago
Bravo!!! Si los agudos están escritos HAY QUE DARLOS, si no en el conjunto completo que esw el canto falta un ingrediente importantísimo.
Recomiendo a TODOS que se miren las partituras al piano y vean cómo ESTAFA Domingo.
jcbcn751 3 years ago
recomiendo a jcbcn751 que mire el primero las partituras, para ello que aprenda a leer musica y luego vea quein hace mas justicia a la musica. Decir que bajar una aria es estafar?... si es así, entonces han estafado todos, desde Domingo a Caruso, hasta Corelli y por supuesto, Pavarotti, que cantaba tanto la Pira como che gelida manina bajado (y hasta recondita armonia en recitales).
gonzalordm 3 years ago
Bravo!!! cantar no es dar agudos largos, cantar es un conjunto de todo.
guillecanaleja 3 years ago
JAJAJA!!! Menuda hostia se pega domingo en el Si, jajaja, no puedo parar de reír, jajaja, si acaso también podrías ponerte al lado de Alfredo Kraus cuando canta los nueve DO de la Fille dú régiment a ver si dabas ni medio...juajuajua, pobre plácido se le va el agudo al culo y Pavarotti sigue y sigue, bravo Luciano!!!
jcbcn751 3 years ago
Bueno aunque no soy partidario de la burla ni el sarcarmo, a ninguno de ustedes le falta razón, es decir, acaso no sabía domingo que haría el ridículo cantando con Luciano? Luciano tenía un talento innato en la zona agua en la respiración, el arte de los dos es muy bueno pero claro, aqui hace falta tener agudos sotenidos, bien impostados y una buena respiración, y claro que le vas a contar a Luciano de esto.
tena2 3 years ago
El aria está bajada de tono, así que si le podemos contar a Luciano de esto, que dicho sea de paso ya desde mucho antes, cuando la cantó, la bajaba. Domingo haría el ridículo cantando con Pavarotti?... Què ignorancia muestras con un comentario tan bobo. Sigue escuchando.
gonzalordm 3 years ago
Oh man, lol, Domingo dies out early. Pavarotti could have gone on for much longer.
Nater389 3 years ago
It is true, domingo runs out of breath. but finished the aria with the chorus... he showld have stopped when he finished the note... but he had to push to finish at the same time as pavarotti and that didn´t sound good on the recording...
gonzalordm 3 years ago
So what are you saying? Regardless, Domingo gases out because he lacks either the lung capacity, technique, or some combination of the two when compared to Pavarotti. They start the last note together. I don't know what you were listening to.
Nater389 3 years ago
Of course, they hitted the high note together, Plácido was out of breath and he should have stopped before, that´s all.
He was the one who was singing with the chorus before, not pavarotti, you have to know this. Pavarotti sung the first part of the chorus, then Placido... and they they hit the high note together.
gonzalordm 3 years ago 2
Si bien es cierto, Luciano era de los Tres tenores el que mayor control del registro tenia, Domingo con la primera aria es muy bueno, el final es un Si y lo que espera el público es un final poderoso y sorprendente, creo que lo consiguieron, es inedito que cantaran esta aria juntos...Si a Placido se le acaba el aire, pues es una nota realmente dificil.
redhotchiliangel 3 years ago
The aria is very difficult and was very well sung. Paying attention to the fiorituras; proper legato & expression. The Pira is transposed down half a tone, Pav full voiced singing, good. In the part with chorus Pav does the first part and Domingo alone in the next, including the 2 all'armi(s)before the high note (bad choice since he was obviosly short of fiato that night).
gonzalordm 3 years ago
Then, the all'ar...............mi! Domingo was short of breath and pushed in the "mi!", but because of the fiato, he was clearly on the note before /all´aaaaaaaaa). Pav did it longer cause of his rest in the singing with the chorus and because has more facility in the high notes (that is very well known).
gonzalordm 3 years ago
Don't forget, Pavarotti would sing with the chorus more often than others and then hit the note longer than others. He was the best.
Nater389 3 years ago
Although Pavarotti performs well in 'Il Trovatore', this role is more suited to Domingo's voice. Although, my favourite tenor on this role is Del Monaco (nobody sings Di quella piera as him)
Kafkandinsky 3 years ago 2
deux grands chanteurs.bravo
girardje70 3 years ago
MAGNIFICO!! BRAVO!!...que barbaro es increible la gente parece saltar de sus asientos y romperse las manos aplaudiendo...que momento por dios!!!! que afortunados los que estuvieron ahí!!
iago10z 3 years ago 4
¿Por qué Domingo intenta... "eso" en el final? Un espanto. Todo bien hasta ahí.
ElDaCBA 3 years ago
'Luciano Pavarotti entered as Ruiz. Pavarotti sang Di quella pira and was joined by Domingo for the final note.]'
Or in Domingo's case; the final shout.
Mooorhe 3 years ago
Of course, the conductor that night was Maestro James Levine (the Met Opera's musical director since the 70s), right?
powerpuffsouthpark 3 years ago
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Matt54e 3 years ago
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Matt54e 3 years ago
Ah, si ben mio = DOMINGO
Di quella pira = PAVAROTTI
superbafun 3 years ago 4
Ah, si ben mio = TUCKER
Di quella pira = CORELLI
GermanOperaSinger 3 years ago
This singers, are the best of the history, Placido(Ah si ben mio) and Pavarotti(Di quella pira).
fofesni 3 years ago
I really love tucker, but to me the most pleasing "Ah! sì ben mio" is Domingo's from 1978 in Vienna... and that's not fan syndrome, that's my true, unbiased opinion
but Corelli's "Di quella pira" is unmatched... Bonisolli's live 1983 rendition in Tokyo was spectacular too.
OettingerCroat 3 years ago 2
ma non scherzare
AleBro83 2 years ago
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@AleBro83 TE SCRIVI SOLO FREGNACCE
andyroma72 2 years ago
Pavarotti sounds hugely better than Domingo here, and not just on the higher notes. He sound more dramatic than Domingo, which given that he is supposed to be the lighter voice, is not saying much. And yes, at the end of the B, Domingo is almost harmonising with Pavarotti he is that far under the pitch.
colino72 3 years ago
bravo - dos grandes
XxTuPaPyxX 3 years ago 3
domingo is my favorite present-day tenor, but i must admit his "di quella pira" is no good. even when he was very young it wasn't good. pavarotti's on the other hand, especially in this age (1988 through 1993) was AWESOME.
OettingerCroat 3 years ago
singers sometimes, betrayed by nerves, or many things, can't get high notes easily. And i think is unfair to compare domingo and Pavarotti as Manrico. Pavarotti is tremendoulsy good here, and Domingo can't compete here.
gtelloz 3 years ago
agreed
OettingerCroat 3 years ago
@OettingerCroat I respect the fact that PD is your favorite tenor, But its perplexing. He never does mezza voce, diminuendo, and transposes a lot. He strains in the center register and the high notes are not good. I saw him in i PAGLACCI about 15years ago, he was hardly audible. He lefT out the 2nd B natural in NO PAGIACCIO NON SON.(WORLD CLASS TENOR? nice quality.Has sung130 different operas, without a signature role.OTELLO,CHENIER,FORZA,AIDA,TROVATOREare too big for him.WHAT AM I MISSING?ENJOY
sugarbist 1 year ago
@sugarbist Thank you, thank you for saying so succinctly what I've always felt. You also left out the fact that PD's diction is bad in all those languages he tries to sing in. Even his Italian has a Spanish accent. I'm sure he's a nice man and does a lot of good public works, but a great singer? No. No. No. No. No.
gratecourt 1 year ago
@gratecourt I'm usually ignored when i make these sorts of comments about Domingo. You are the first person to reply back to me and agree.Thank You
sugarbist 1 year ago
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Mooorhe 3 years ago
Dos auténticos portentos de la ópera. Que gozada escucharlos.
Drexler75 3 years ago 4
Pavarotti was 5 years older than Domingo
The oldest of the 3 tenors
marcherst 3 years ago
Dude, this youtube vid's giving me a seizure.
jonadamora 3 years ago
Domingo ruined a perfectly superb Di quella pira.
tklogan11809 3 years ago
Now, this is fun. Too bad there is no video to go with it. I think many of the comments on Domingo below are unjustified. He has produced thrilling rendition after thrilling rendition. Nevertheless, Pavarotti clearly takes it home here - the tenor of tenors...clear, sharp, sparkling, unbeatable.
libro07 3 years ago 2
her family goes to my church,,,her son is really funny but weird...
baby6054938 3 years ago
They are not singing this in the orignal key it sound a half step down
tenorfourlife 3 years ago
Oh God...Domingo's "Alarmi" was a yell rather than singing. The proof is in the pudding, and Domingo's pudding didn't rise at all.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago
I am afraid the comments on Domingo's shortcomings in regard to timbre of his voice and upper register are correct. His initial training was a baritone, and then transitioned to the tenor range. He sounds hooted and his high notes do not have a pleasant ring, if any ring at all. Especially the Bs and above sound strangled mostly. He's a good tenor all right but by no means exceptional as Pavarotti.
TheInquisitive4Ever 3 years ago
DOmingo had problems with his high notes throughout all his life. The LIVE recordings where he sings decent B Flats are rare let alone B Naturals or C's.. THis is not bashing but simple facts.
The voice is warm and the timbre majestic but this doesn't hide the technical shortcomings the tenor experienced all his life.
A great all rounder but never a legendary voice.
seb8791 3 years ago
in levine's Giovanna d'Arco, he hits a D flat...(i guess). If not a D flat, at least is a high note
gtelloz 3 years ago
is this on youtube?
OettingerCroat 3 years ago
I agree, to me at least, it doesn't sound great when a tenor has to squeeze the high notes out of his larynx. This is why i prefer Pavarotti.
It is entirely personal preference though.
They both were great tenors
Mooorhe 3 years ago
What a lot of BULLSHIT!. Yes he didn´t have a majestic high C but I heard him singing high B´s beautifully. Well... it is your stupid none existent opinion against most of the rest of the world.
ezayi 3 years ago
Also... look at the "Ah, si ben mio coll´esere sung by Domingo. Production from Vienna, Karajan conducting. That was simply Spectacular. I think it will shut your mouth... or in this case, your fingers.
ezayi 3 years ago
Great debate about how is dramatic or spinto or lyric. Could someone give some examples of 5 dramatic tenor, 5 spintos, and 5 liric? that would be fun and useful. Thx!
gtelloz 3 years ago
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GermanOperaSinger 3 years ago
I don't think so. I heard Bonisolli at the begiining and near the end of his career. It was not a particularly big voice. Certainly it was nothing like that of Vickers or Corelli.
I never heard Tucker live but those whom I respect always remark on the size of the voice. I heard Bergonzi here and abroad. His voice was too small IMHO for American opera houses.
Drammatic voices may not be pretty so they often don't record well e.g. McCracken, Chauvet, Cossuta, etc.
Agorante 3 years ago
I don't agree about Bergonzi. I heard him in his 60's at the Met, and there wasn't a space in that house where his voice wasn't.
Andante735 3 years ago
FYI - Projection can be achieved without size.
drdre333 3 years ago
Too true, these things are known as Vocal and Vowel formants in which the singer attains a certain sound frequency or by modifying a vowel to knock the walls down.
TRJH1972 3 years ago
Yes I know. That's essentially what I wrote about about Bergonzi. It certainly wasn't a particularly large voice, nor small, but it was placed forward, which is correct of course. His Radames was well known, and that's not the domain of a pure lyric, but he met it head-on. I was disagreeing with an earlier comment about Bergonzi's voice being too small for American Houses- nothing could be further than the truth, and I heard him at that Barn they call the Metropolitan Opera House.
Andante735 3 years ago
Isn't Bjoerling inside the Dramatic squillante category?
Kafkandinsky 3 years ago
nah... his voice is sort of dark and dramatic, but nothing like say, Del Monaco. but his technique is impeccable.
OettingerCroat 3 years ago
@Kafkandinsky Bjorling was a lyric spinto.Never Dramatic Nor Spinto. DEL MONACO,ZENATELLO, DEMURO, PAOLI MERLI, PICCALUGA &tamagno were dramatic.Try LAURI VOLPI ,Fillipeschi FOR Dramatic squillante whom were not dramatic tenors and maybe Vasco Campagnano.ENJOY
sugarbist 1 year ago
This is how I'd classify them (in no order)
dramatic: Corelli, del Monaco, Domingo, Bonisolli
spinto: Björling, Bergonzi, Caruso, Lanza
lyric: pavarotti, carreras, kraus, di Stefano
OettingerCroat 3 years ago
I agree with your classification, not quite sure on Domingo being a full bodied dramatic like del Monaco, it amused me that you neglected to give the names of the lyrics a capital letter:P
Mooorhe 3 years ago
lol you're right
and I agree domingo isnt as dramatic as del monaco... But he IS the definitve Otello of our time, and that is more or less impossible to achieve without being a dramatic tenor.
also, he is more dramatic and dark than any of the spintos i listed, too. i mean, the guy is a dramatic tenor, simple. :-)
OettingerCroat 3 years ago
Yes, unfortunately he's considered the definitive Otello of this time, but he's not on my watch. A lyric baritone who managed to push his voice up, and barely make a bflat. He's got to be the least interesting voice I've ever heard, with the exception of Bjorling, I've heard all of the above.
Andante735 3 years ago
I agree with your categories.
Andante735 3 years ago
Estas equivocado, no tienes mas que oir a cualquiera de los que has dicho, tanto en registro vocal como en coloratura de la voz, ni Corelli, Del Monaco y Bonisolli son dramaticos, al contrario, liricos-espintos y el unico que se podría aproximar es Domingo, aunque tampoco por que su color no es de un dramatico, aunque su registro si, de ahi que se le califique de lirico-dramatico. Aprende y escucha mas chaval.
fofesni 3 years ago
tenemos una diferencia entre nuestros proprios significados de lo que es un tenor dramático
OettingerCroat 3 years ago
Sera eso entonces
fofesni 3 years ago
Domingo tenor dramatico? Eso es como decir que Jose Carreras es tenor Wagneriano, por favor.
Claro que Domingo es un gran artista y gran cantante pero Domingo tenor dramatico? Corelli y Del Monaco no? Por favor...
javrnunez 3 years ago
No me has entendido bien. Yo te digo que la nota mas aguda que da domingo es un SI natural, por lo que si le sumas sus graves, te sale un tenor dramatico, pero por otro lado, si lo escuchamos que es a lo que voy, no es un dramatico sino lirico, no tiene ese color oscuro propio de otro como Giacomini, de ahi que el mismo diga estar a caballo entre un lirico y un dramatico (lirico-dramatico) y date cuenta tambien que viene de ser un baritono...nose y los demas ni Corelli ni Del Monaco ni de coña..
fofesni 3 years ago
@gtelloz Dramatic.DelMonaco,Tamagno,zenatello.Merli,Nino Piccaluga.Spinto.Corelli,Campagnano,Caruso,Fillipeschi&Tucker.Lyric.Kraus.Gedda,DeSTEFANO,Fisichella and THE GREAT LAURI VOLPI. ENJOY
sugarbist 1 year ago
I'm certain that Domingo cracks the B very badly here. He gets the first part of the last 'al alarmi' okay. But then he cracks and makes a rather hideous noise.
Mooorhe 3 years ago
El Do final no esta escrito es un Sol.
verdiotello 3 years ago
creía que es un La...
OettingerCroat 3 years ago
Giacomini si es Deamatico, pero Bonisolli no lo es, Bonisolli era u tenor spinto, que hacia de su canta un drama es una cosa pero jamas lo fue. Domingo es un tenor lirico que ahora con su edad llego a cantar el repertorio de un spinto y roles de tenor dramatico, pero eso no se le considera ser tenor dramatico y si es cierto pavarotti puede cantar el do ala perfeccion, pero il trovatore era ideal mas bien para la voz de un tenor spinto. como Corelli,Bonisolli,Martinucci,Bartolini etc etc.
verdiotello 3 years ago
Fantastic! Astonishing!
zurriuss 4 years ago
Elohssa You are missing how Domingo became worlwide known. Until his 40s he sung in a furious full voice that match his volume with Nilsson, Del Monaco, big sound.
People who heard him at the Theater Colon in Buenos Aires said he was able make the house full of his sound, something few singers did in history. Pavarotti was critized in the Boheme at the same place for so small sound.
ilbacioditosca 4 years ago