@hondaslave Sometimes you can have a damaged bore say an inch below TDC causing your leakage. This can only be tested when you are off TDC. Its a tricky one to do but you can rotate the engine while the test is being done. Obviously you do TDC compression stroke first.
I know this was an how too(and an excellent one at that) I would suggest telling people to do comparative tests on other cylinders so you can better determine your expected psi loss due to wear & clearances.
I've used masking tape on the balancer to determine TDC for different cylinders. Cut a piece of masking tape the same length as the circumference of the balancer. Make three equally spaced marks on the tape, put the tape on the balancer starting at #1 TDC. Now when the marks line up with the timing pointer each piston will be at TDC compression following the firing order.
How can you get a proper test if the engine has been sitting for so long and the piston isn't lubricated? Won't air just come out of everything if not properly lubricated?
so what happens next? its leaking on the exhaust does it mean the lower part of the engine or the upper part of engine has the problem? im confused with this leak down test, what if your piston rings are damage where could be the air be heard?
@richpin06a where do you hear the air coming out if the piston rings are the one causing it so to know its the lower part of the engine is the one has a problem?
I have a 97 dakota V6 with ring leaks, and the local garage said replace the engine... would just replacing the rings be okay? they only went out 160 miles before testing compression... readings were from cylinder 1-6, 145, 140, 100, 120, 75, 95... the guy said that something like replacing rings would blow the bottom end out because of stress attributed to power returning. is he right?
@richpin06a well it vibrates a lot when it's cold, but that might just be from imbalanced compression, or so I'm told... would that be a sign that the crank is trash? did the leak down test and it's only rushing through the oil filler... even did a head check and a rad check, no sounds coming from those and no bubbles in the coolant resevoir
@darkfyre2k7 from the looks of your tests, if not replace the engine, you would have to send it in for some machine work. the bore of the cylinder is probably just as worn as the rings. A machinest would bore out the cylinders, and you always want to replace the rings on every piston, not only because they come in a set, but because replacing only one piston ring set would cause uneven compression anyways. and your test also indicates you probably need a new head gasket...
So, I guess the reason for the pinhole is so that the regulator can't replenish air fast enough to maintain pressure when there is a significant leak. Would an instream shutoff valve accomplish the same thing? Do you think you could eliminate the second regulator and just have a shutoff valve? I find my airhoses tend to leak at those quick connections, which might confuse the readings....
@spelunkerd when pressure is applied (e.g. 100psi), what we are looking for is leakage in the cylinder as compared to the airflow through a 1mm orifice at that pressure. You could use a shut off valve.
Love those old VW engines. I don't think I ever owned one that didn't have valve problems, so I'm not surprised it failed. They run so crudely anyway you'll never notice.
What's a Ka-Burator?
68ray 1 month ago
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serchmarc 2 months ago
great video brother! thanks, rob
zambam3 2 months ago
Very cool. I did not know you could do this lol Man I love YouTube :)
ybafool2 4 months ago
does it have to be on tdc of the compression stroke
hondaslave 4 months ago
@hondaslave Yes it does
richpin06a 4 months ago
@hondaslave Sometimes you can have a damaged bore say an inch below TDC causing your leakage. This can only be tested when you are off TDC. Its a tricky one to do but you can rotate the engine while the test is being done. Obviously you do TDC compression stroke first.
Robonza 1 month ago
Make sure you check your valve clearances before this test.
TheBaja274 5 months ago
Nice vid :) Thanks for sharing.
kirbstone111 7 months ago
I know this was an how too(and an excellent one at that) I would suggest telling people to do comparative tests on other cylinders so you can better determine your expected psi loss due to wear & clearances.
MrRukcus 9 months ago
Very good video!
I've used masking tape on the balancer to determine TDC for different cylinders. Cut a piece of masking tape the same length as the circumference of the balancer. Make three equally spaced marks on the tape, put the tape on the balancer starting at #1 TDC. Now when the marks line up with the timing pointer each piston will be at TDC compression following the firing order.
Vintageguy73 9 months ago
@Vintageguy73 I have done the same think to adjust the valves put four marks on the pulley for each cylinder top dead centers.
richpin06a 9 months ago
Nice video.
ratrace2p51 10 months ago
How can you get a proper test if the engine has been sitting for so long and the piston isn't lubricated? Won't air just come out of everything if not properly lubricated?
liOVERLOADil 10 months ago
@liOVERLOADil I do not think letting the engine cool down to take out the spark plugs will effect the test.
richpin06a 10 months ago
@richpin06a Please re-read my comment.
liOVERLOADil 10 months ago
@richpin06a~ it will affect the test because the ring end gaps get bigger the colder the engine is.
marek0086 2 months ago
Rich Pin, you are a smart person. You have my respect.
texturedmuffin 11 months ago
@texturedmuffin thank you
richpin06a 11 months ago
Excellent video, Rich Pin.
charlieparker1234 11 months ago
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0jayelbee 1 year ago
so what happens next? its leaking on the exhaust does it mean the lower part of the engine or the upper part of engine has the problem? im confused with this leak down test, what if your piston rings are damage where could be the air be heard?
wangbungal 1 year ago
@wangbungal Leaking in the exhaust tells you that your exhaust valves are not seating very good.
richpin06a 1 year ago
@richpin06a exhaust valves so its the cylinder heads right which is the upper part right?
wangbungal 1 year ago
@wangbungal yes cylinder head
richpin06a 1 year ago
@richpin06a where do you hear the air coming out if the piston rings are the one causing it so to know its the lower part of the engine is the one has a problem?
wangbungal 1 year ago
@wangbungal The dip stick tube or pcv hose all lead to the crankcase.
richpin06a 1 year ago
make sure it's at tdc between the compression and power stoke. some valve overlap may exist between exhaust and intake strokes.
green95gt 1 year ago
I have a 97 dakota V6 with ring leaks, and the local garage said replace the engine... would just replacing the rings be okay? they only went out 160 miles before testing compression... readings were from cylinder 1-6, 145, 140, 100, 120, 75, 95... the guy said that something like replacing rings would blow the bottom end out because of stress attributed to power returning. is he right?
darkfyre2k7 1 year ago
@darkfyre2k7 Hard to say you would have the measure the crank to see what condition it is in.
richpin06a 1 year ago
@richpin06a well it vibrates a lot when it's cold, but that might just be from imbalanced compression, or so I'm told... would that be a sign that the crank is trash? did the leak down test and it's only rushing through the oil filler... even did a head check and a rad check, no sounds coming from those and no bubbles in the coolant resevoir
darkfyre2k7 1 year ago
@richpin06a~ dont ever quit your accent. I love your accent.
What part of US is that accent from?
marek0086 1 year ago
@marek0086 New England (Boston)
richpin06a 1 year ago
@darkfyre2k7 from the looks of your tests, if not replace the engine, you would have to send it in for some machine work. the bore of the cylinder is probably just as worn as the rings. A machinest would bore out the cylinders, and you always want to replace the rings on every piston, not only because they come in a set, but because replacing only one piston ring set would cause uneven compression anyways. and your test also indicates you probably need a new head gasket...
trayyy00cvrurface 1 year ago
So, I guess the reason for the pinhole is so that the regulator can't replenish air fast enough to maintain pressure when there is a significant leak. Would an instream shutoff valve accomplish the same thing? Do you think you could eliminate the second regulator and just have a shutoff valve? I find my airhoses tend to leak at those quick connections, which might confuse the readings....
spelunkerd 1 year ago
@spelunkerd when pressure is applied (e.g. 100psi), what we are looking for is leakage in the cylinder as compared to the airflow through a 1mm orifice at that pressure. You could use a shut off valve.
richpin06a 1 year ago
Excellent.
CARRICK6423 1 year ago
good vid thanks
gst69man 1 year ago
Very detailed and informative video!
MoldyLunchBox87 1 year ago
great video!!
rleon1991 1 year ago
the blooper was a nice touch
curtis9188 1 year ago 2
Love those old VW engines. I don't think I ever owned one that didn't have valve problems, so I'm not surprised it failed. They run so crudely anyway you'll never notice.
Proverbs1x26refurbed 1 year ago
Excellent videos, well explained as usual!
Mulletsrokkify 1 year ago
Very instructive and interesting !
michaelovitch 1 year ago
Nice work Richpin.
4g92mit 1 year ago