PJTV's Brandi Milloy Reports: It's Elementary, Illegal Immigration's Impact on Our Public Schools

[dillpickles36]

most americans dont want to cut up animal innards for hot dogs,landscape and scrub toilets...i hope beck can work a snow blower...

[IChIDH]

Our government is becoming corrupt. They are legalizing criminality, and criminalizing legality!

[Sam26100]

I had a feeling PJTV wasn't really a pro-free market news source after all...

Brandi Milloy is blaming the lack of funding for our immoral schools funded by government force on the immigrants? No mention of the fact that the public school system is part of an unsustainable pyramid-scheme scam. I also like the fact that a born citizen is automatically "hard-working" as if all immigrants are on welfare and all citizens work for a living.

Welfare is wrong no matter who's on it Brandi...

[heyoehkah]

Great to see a super hot TV journalist. That never happens.

We have the technology, which is now 98% effective, to determine the legality of a job applicant within minutes, If congress were serious about illegal immigration they would forget fences. They would write effective laws requiring employers verify an applicants right to work.

Problem solved and an increased traffic load on I-5 south.

[hardenedman]

Was the 'Change' bookend at 0:56 intentionally placed there for the interview?

[GuEnavEre408]

LOL offspring didnt notice that but thats very demeaning, it usually used as a biological term. Coming from a nuetral standpoint this is not very convincing at all, the question was dileberately asked to side her view points, as a reporter you shouldnt do that let him give his opinion, luckily he was smart enough not to go there and answer the question properly.

[N2CBiohazard]

"About 366,000 returns were filed using individual taxpayer identification numbers in 2001, according to IRS data from that year, the most recent information available. People with the tax numbers reported wages of almost $7 billion and paid almost $305 million in taxes, according to the IRS."

From article on CBS online site: Illegal Aliens Paying Taxes

[N2CBiohazard]

Offspring??? Are they fucking monkey's or animals???...dumb bitch!!!

[beefking69er]

@N2CBiohazard

Offspring:

•the immediate descendants of a person; "she was the mother of many offspring".

•In biology, offspring is the product of reproduction, a new organism produced by one or more parents.

[rottahern]

Okay if we want to discuss simple math then lets discuss some actual numbers. Standard & Poor estimates that the United States pays around 11 Billion to educate the children of illegal aliens annually. However, the IRS claims an annual average of 6 to 7 billion dollars in Social Security contrabutions that are collected from illegal aliens, and up to 47 billion in income tax collected from illegals. So explain those numbers to me, remember that's coming from the IRS and S&P.

[N2CBiohazard]

@rottahern Interesting information....where can I find it?

[jimprjayp]

To solve a crime, detectives know to follow the money. The governments associated with illegals are making big, and I mean BIG money off of their labor. Why do they come here? Jobs right? Fine the businesses hiring them, they know most of the time who they are hiring, and they will get very good at not hiring them. If illegals can't find jobs they have little reason to come to the US. The severely oppressed are shown threw their actions not their words and they can stay. Common Sense.

[MrJest2]

You people all argue trivialities - as a professional planner, I (about 4 years ago, but I'm sure it holds true today) generated a plan that would fully fund and in fact EXCESSIVELY fund all schools in California. Comparing my plan to the "education" budget, I could not consume more than 25% of the annual budget.

Where is THE REST OF THE MONEY going?

The answer is simple - illegals or not; "education" money is going to A) unfunded mandated pensions and B) bureaucrat "middle managers".

[jimprjayp]

@MrJest2 exactly, so why is this video trivial? I don't know if anyone has mentioned this but their are many illegal aliens in this country who ARE paying taxes. They buy fake SS cards to find employment and their employers pay taxes out of their salaries plus workers comp which they never claim. They do not file tax returns out of fear of getting caught and the government knows this. Why is this not investigated? How much money are we talking about? Borders would mean loss funds for the gov.

[DrewDubious]

What a joke, even in MA our schools are garbage. I guess we should blame immigrant babies from canada?

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

@DrewDubious So b/c lots of public schools are bad, that justifies illegal aliens posing an economic hardship on many of the ones in communities that have lots of undocumented residents?

[DrewDubious]

@DerailAmnestydotcom the problem is the schools are already bad, overcrowded and with underpaid and underinspired faculty. Yes "undocumented residents" add to the strain, but this same issue with failing public schools exists with or without them.

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

@DrewDubious Well, you're conveniently side-stepping the obvious point: Their presence costs a fortune and makes the situation a whole lot worse.

[DrewDubious]

@DerailAmnestydotcom To blam this issue on "undocumented residents" is also a convienent sidestep. Again, public schools all over the country are and have been consistantly bad regardless of this argument. This is just hate mongering under the guise of concern for our children's future.

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

@DrewDubious Oh, there are plenty more societal ills that can be blamed upon illegal immigr., this is just the tip of the iceberg. And using the term "hate" is just a convenient method for trying to silence debate or bolster a meritless argument. You have a problem: the facts. Sure, there are bad public schools w/o illegal aliens, however, their presence make them more common and costs taxpayers billions. The reality is that fewer than 50% of children of illegals even graduate from HS.

[DrewDubious]

@DerailAmnestydotcom I myself did not graduate highschool and am the son of a canadian citizen who is here leagally through marrige law. My 3 siblings however did graduate highschool.

It is hate mongering because the argument singles out south american "illegals". What cost do "legal" dropouts impose on the taxpayer? They are in essence doing the same thing the "illigeal" students are? Since you bring up the "facts" please offer sightings of source for your "facts"

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

@DrewDubious No, my side commonly singles out ill. aliens. There is no emphasis on "south americans." There is freq., however, mention of illegals from Mexico and the rest of Latin Amer. ... b/c that's where over 4 out of 5 come from. Insofar as citizen h.s. dropouts are concerned, your argument is irrelevant. They have a right to U.S. residency; we're forced to endure them, but there is no justification for tax money gobbling screw ups unlawfully here / Which assertions would you like cited?

[DrewDubious]

@DerailAmnestydotcom the ones you said are facts.

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

@DrewDubious You mean the facts I said are your problem? (Specifically, we spend billions educating the children of illegals and they graduate at from high school at a rate below 50%?)

[DrewDubious]

@DerailAmnestydotcom right, usually statistic arguments warrant some kind of study somewhere durring the percolation.

[thecyberpunk]

@DerailAmnestydotcom The situation you're describing is way oversimplified. Assuming that illegal aliens are causing a budgetary strain because there parents aren't being taxed is way too simplistic. How many illegal immigrants who are enrolling their children in school are actually making a taxable income bracket even if they were on the state's books? I'm willing to bet none or next to none of them are, especially in AZ where it's hard enough to make a legitimate income.

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

@thecyberpunk No it's not. It's a matter of simple mathematics ... and the numbers don't come from me. The children of illegal aliens cost billions to educate and only about half graduate from high school. It's real basic stuff. And that's on top of the fact that they have no business being here in the first place.

[DrewDubious]

@DerailAmnestydotcom you need to supply some kind of source for your numbers...

[thecyberpunk]

@DrewDubious The whole argument is bogus. The IRS claims over 55 billion in Social Security and Income Tax are coming from illegals, meanwhile S&P estiames 11 billion in costs associated with educating the 1.8 million undocumented children in the education system. Meanwhile illegals are barred from collecting most social programs such as medicare, food stamps, family assistance, etc . . .

[DrewDubious]

@thecyberpunk I know mang, But how else are you going to point out someone is wrong if you do not show there where and why they are wrong ~.^

I mean, not that you can hope to educate everyone. But really, just making up numbers to support your argument? tsk tsk, poor form... Seems to happen alot in these debates.

[thecyberpunk]

@DerailAmnestydotcom Okay if we want to discuss simple math then lets discuss some actual numbers. Standard & Poor estimates that the United States pays around 11 Billion to educate the children of illegal aliens annually. However, the IRS claims an annual average of 6 to 7 billion dollars in Social Security contrabutions that are collected from illegal aliens, and up to 47 billion in income tax collected from illegals. So explain those numbers to me, remember that's coming from the IRS and S&P.

[anfiach]

I find it sad that they are unable to find people to work 4 hours a day with no benefits. If you are only working 4 hours, why d you expect a benefits package?

[thecyberpunk]

@anfiach Because most people can't afford to work only 4 hours a day. They need a full time income to support themselves.

[anfiach]

@thecyberpunk people work part time for no benefits all the time

[thecyberpunk]

@anfiach Yes but generally these are senior citizens or teenagers in unskilled labor positions, also senior citizens and teenagers don't generally require a full time income as they are supported by pensions or their parents. Teachers assistants require a skilled education (generally a 2 year college certificate program depending on the requirments of your scool district.)

[anfiach]

@thecyberpunk that is dependent upon state requirements. In my state it is not required for substitute work and passing a simple test is only required for a "permanent" position. As for the income, many people work two jobs and it is not a matter of skilled/unskilled so much as desire. Ultimately, it is a matter of choice and an indefensible position.

[thecyberpunk]

@anfiach No it's a matter of the job pool vs the demands of the parents associations and lobby groups that affect the budgetary decisions of the schools. If there is enough political will to want skilled teacher's assistants above people from around the neighborhood looking after their kids and helping in their education, then that's what the district will require. Then factor in how many people have the required training, and how many better jobs are available for them.

[TCoop6231]

@anfiach Think about it. If you only work 4 hours a day at job #1. How are you going to find a full time job #2? It just doesn't make economic sense for anyone but the most desperate to work for four hours a day. They would probably make more money from unemployment.

[anfiach]

@TCoop6231 people work part time jobs all the time, besides stay at home parents could get more involved in their child's education and even make a few dollars doing it.

[thecyberpunk]

@anfiach Yep, and many parents do go this rout, however generally skilled training is required for the position, so not a lot of stay-at-home moms and dads actually have the training.

[zivjax]

Nobody forces Mexico to answer for the crime of failure to educate, house, and provide healthcare for its own people. Why is Mexico such a mess, when it is a nation of great wealth (Carlos Slim, anyone), and a people who are willing to work extremely hard to succeed?

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

@zivjax Because it has a hardcore culture of corruption that permeates almost every level of society in that nation.

[Leavon]

Seriously I don't know why we give english language classes at all? When I was over seas, parents that choose to send their kids to the local schools did so with the knowledge that their kids needed to know that countires language since there was no accomodation by the school to teach the material in English. Nor should there be in my opinion. On the "Illegal" issue, if they are here illegally then they shouldn't be in our schools at all.

[onvogmasaj]

off topic? she's hot.

[Leavon]

@onvogmasaj And yes Brandi is very attractive, as are many of the gals over at PJTV.

[LynnkellyH]

I disagree in part with previous comments. I believe the federal government has a duty to see that all {citizen} students have access to education. I DO NOT believe federal government has the right to decide what that education consists of. That is for states and local school boards to decide. And before anybody starts yelling about indoctrination, the Constitution quite adequately provides for separation of church and state.

[qtronRobespierre]

The government`s role in education is morally unjustified. There should be no `public` schools, not in the U.S.A., not in any country, for the same reason that there should be no state religious churches.

[82compoundw]

More money for public schools?

Nope, wrong answer.

Vouchers.

Charter schools.

And seal those friggin' borders already!!!

[chuska8383]

Dismantle public education. End the welfare state. Secure our borders. Most of the problems will then solve themselves.

[NoMoreBlatherDotCom]

@chuska8383: 1 of 2: thanks for bringing the libertarian/tea party insanity. Regarding your first two "ideas", we aren't going to do them. Especially since the vast majority of Americans would greatly oppose such changes. In fact, 99.9% of Americans would oppose it. And, if it were ever imposed, we'd have some sort of revolution of the socialist variety.

Your third idea plays right into the hands of illegal immigration supporters. That's the line they use in order to mislead...

[NoMoreBlatherDotCom]

@chuska8383: 2 of 2: everyone wants to "secure the borders"; what they want in return is amnesty.

And, you have absolutely no plan to push what you propose. Simply leaving a comment on a PJTV video isn't a plan. Further, as libertarians, PJTV aren't on your side: libertarians support loose/open borders.

In case anyone wants to oppose illegal immigration in smart ways, I've been covering this issue for eight years in thousands of posts, and I know how to do things: 24ahead . com

[chuska8383]

@NoMoreBlatherDotCom We disagree. As a Libertarian I am for the Constitution and the Rule of Law. I am for secure borders, not open ones. I am against cumpolsory taxation and subsidies of every kind because I support John Locke's views of natural rights, and because frankly there is no provision in the Constitution whatsoever for any sort of federal department of education. It is you who sound wayward relative to the Constitution and free market principles. Oppose statism at every turn.

[isawanangel2]

@NoMoreBlatherDotCom what's gonna happen to the little kids?

[isawanangel2]

@chuska8383 asshole

[chuska8383]

@isawanangel2 Would you like to give a rationale so we can have some sort of dialogue or do you want to keep this discussion at an adolescent level?

[isawanangel2]

@chuska8383 not really, i'm sick of you bastards, grow up

[isawanangel2]

@chuska8383 you guys pool your money and go buy a fucking island somewhere and get the fuck out of my country, okay..free of labor laws, minimum wage and consumer protections, you make me sick, totally barbaric, militant, self serving ideology

[chuska8383]

@isawanangel2 I'm not rich, I'm 27, a civil engineer that has been laid off twice and is in danger of losing my job for a 3rd time. What I would like is the freedom to disagree. If my county/state majority believe excessive economic regulation lowers living standards or that the government doesn't have authority to initiate coersion infringing on private property rights why can't we govern ourselves? You and your community would be free to do as you like. Why can't we just disagree?

[chuska8383]

@isawanangel2 The USA is my country, too. Calm down. Think rationally. I don't mean to be rude or condescending. I would like to list some documents that can give you insight into the rationale behind my line of thought: Crash Proof 2.0, Economics in One Lesson, Wealth of Nations, US Constitution, Declaration of Independence, Federalist Papers, Road to Serfdom, America's Great Depression, Creature from Jekyll Island, John Locke's 2nd Treatise on Government, Capitalism the Unknown Ideal.

[chuska8383]

@isawanangel2 I'd like to stress we would not force you to do anything. If you feel strongly that minimum wage laws, strict corporate regulations, and environmental standards are beneficial you can keep them. No one is going to force you to do anything you don't want to do. We believe coersion of any kind when initiated on a human being is immoral, regardless of the ends, unless in direct self defense. We don't have to be enemies! We can still be fellow countrymen! Don't let them divide us

[isawanangel2]

@chuska8383 fine i strongly dislike the herd mentality of "don't regulate my ponzi scheme" is that better:o)

[SatanicDoomElf]

@smiledammit24 Second, Man this is so crazy, time to trim the fat.