1:55 Actually, disciples depicted in a negative light or going through character development does not make it unlikely that the Bible was fictional, especially if the moral of the Bible is showing faith.
Characters in other myths that aren't evil forces like Satan are also portrayed in a negative light, like Greek tragic heroes like Oedipus, or the sinner Heracles. Does that make these myths unlikely to be fictional?
I am just a normal guy that would like to see some real proof for once,instead of all this hear say crap...it will stand one day as the biggest hoax ever played on man..ya I went to church as a child(was made to)and i get all you people longing for something in the after life.But get over it we are a fluke of nature.Take life for what it is and let each walk there own path.My only rule in life is treat others in kind as you would like to be treated..and thats it..
Hey at the end of this section you say Jesus tells us to love thy neighbour...but does he not also say an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth? Revenge? surely thats not very neighbour-friendly? also deueronomy 17:2-7 clearly states that it is our duty to kill anyone who does not follow christianity. How can i follow a bible that so clearly contradicts itself?
@weirdphycoticmonkey No Jesus doesn't say and eye for an eye he tells you to turn the other cheek read the verse properly friend Matthew 5:38-42 and Romans 12:17-21and Deuteronomy is old law ment for the jews of that time since there was alot of pagan whorship and alot of pagan countries egypt pre muslims nations etc heck poland use to whorship wood gods, anyway point is that Jesus was the new law his word. we are only to learn from the mistakes of the people in the old testament
@Taurion4467 You say that those parts of the bible are old laws for the jews of the time but matthew 5, 17-20 says that everything in the bible shall be law until the end of the world "until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven"
@weirdphycoticmonkey why do you think Jesus fought with the Pharisees why do you think they wanted they killed him and disagreed with his teachings, cause the jews them selves did not fulfill the old law of God,Read what Jesus said at the sermon on the mount and you will find Jesus view towards the law of God as recorded in the old testament,but its your choice to accept his word in the end or to believe the world which tries to kill him everyday but yet fails
@Taurion4467 - The Jesus in the New Testament never actually existed. He couldn't have. His ministry is based on the Jewish War and that was written in 74 AD. This means Jesus didn't exist before this time, his story was back-dated to the previous generation. You could cite Paul, but the Pauline Epistles where written after the gospels and simply back-dated too.
Vast majority of scholars have missed the boat. It was the Romans who created Jesus Christ.
That proves that one was based on the other and I doubt the Jewish War was based on the ministry of Jesus, right? Therefore Jesus was invented after 74 AD and his story was back-dated. The same goes for Paul.
It was written under the reigns of Vespasian (the father), Titus (the good son) and Domitian.
Other Flavians - Josephus, needs no introduction. Sabinus, who was Theophilus (look it up) and Constantine.
@Franknarfable i wont lie i got no idea where you came from or what your on about haha ive read what you wrote a few times and im wondering where or what brought this up and ill be straight up with you im afraid i don't have the knowledge to answer whatever you want me to answer i don't think i have studied this titus jesus thing, anyway just simply explain what were talking about here
@Taurion4467 - The Romans had ongoing wars with the Jews. This led to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The history of this war was written by Josephus in 74 AD called the Jewish War.
You with me so far?
Then the four gospels are written and the ministry of Jesus appears to be a satire on Titus. The gospels also appear to be pro-roman and anti-jewish.
Basically the Romans devised a new religion to unify the Empire under one God. This means that no main character in the NT existed.
@Franknarfable now from what iv'e read on wiki so far ill agree with you that rome did create a religion called Catholicism but that has nothing to do with Christ. the dead sea scrolls go back further than Josephus writings not to mention the original was lost in his own language and we don't know for sure when it was re written historians say, and look even skeptics wont say people from the new testament didn't exist so i don't know where your getting this from you cant prove he didn't exist
@Taurion4467 - Jesus does not appear in the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is a massive disappointment for Christians. They mean nothing really - I don't understand the connections you're trying to make.
I have shown that the ministry of Jesus is based on the conquests of Titus. Would you not agree?
The New Testament and Josephus where both originally written in Koine Greek.
@Franknarfable his name does not appear directly but what he is to do does appear im going to assume you haven't read much of the bible so no big deal there,ill agree new testament was written in greek and josephus book also, I don't agree that his ministry was only about titus i will agree that he did prophesies about titus destroying Jerusalem the temple being destroyed etc. either way Josephus wrote about jesus even if it wasn't much but historians will keep fighting about Josephus writings
@Taurion4467 - The ministry of Jesus is not entirely based on Titus, but parts of the narrative are definitely based on it. The life and adventures of Paul are based on Josephus also.
Historians argue whether passages in Josephus where genuine. They where, it's just Josephus who wasn't. Historians are wasting their time arguing over Josephus, the guy was called Flavius, he shouldn't be ignored, further study (like what i've written) is needed. That's where the answers are.
@Franknarfable anyway just quickly whats the point your trying to get me to see or understand anyway? like you telling me Jesus never existed christianity is a lie just curious were all roman pagans or i don't know if that what your getting at lol sorry just a little bit confused
@Taurion4467 - If the Romans wrote the New Testament, which they did, then Jesus couldn't of been real. They created a religion to unify the Empire under one God. They created a peace-loving Messiah as a direct opposite to the awaited Jewish Messiah who was to come and lead the Jews to war / victory.
So yes, Christianity is a lie. A big fat Roman one.
@Franknarfable Yes they created a religion we already went through this catholicism but to create this your saying they killed hundreds of their own people? and your saying that the messiah in the old testament was opposite to Jesus now please give me all the evidence for this cause i mean the things your saying now are honestly your own the most popular rabbi on his death bed proclaimed that jesus was the awaited messiah a man after 90 years in the jewish faith doesn't just say that
@Taurion4467 - NOT Catholicism, didn't that come with Constantine? I am talking about the beginnings, 1st century Christianity.
And what "hundreds of their own people" are you referring to?
*sigh* - The evidence we have from the Dead Sea Scrolls and Josephus indicate that the Jews where awaiting a Messiah who was going to take them to war. Does that sound like Jesus? No, of course it doesn't. I can try and dig out some quotes for you.
I couldn't care less what some dying Rabbi said, sorry.
@Franknarfable Well before Catholicism they would kill romans who talked or worshiped christ you should read fox's book of martyrs, Yes jews were waiting for a messiah which is spoken of in every book of the bible from genesis to revelation and if it was not Jesus than jews have no explanation because he fulfilled more than 80% of the prophesies, the romans couldn't beat the growing christianity so they decided to join them and pop you have the catholic church just read fox's book if u have time
@Taurion4467 - After all this time and you're talking about prophesies? If the Romans invented Jesus then they had the prophesies to work with. I mean, if you're going to invent a Messiah at least make him fit the prophecies, right?
Being a martyr is a theme of Christianity, look at Jesus, and that never actually happened.
We can trawl through the "evidence" for martyr but you'll be surprised what we end up with. Nothing.
@Franknarfable Why would the Roman empire the greatest at the time need to invent a Jesus ahha please that's laughable, and your saying that they made jesus fit the prophesies of the old testament please don;t speak of prophecy you don't know especially ones in isiah its ok just pick up a bible and start reading it you will understand it better. and the evidence for martyr is very big i just told you foxs book of martyrs read it. either way you have to evidence for rome to invent Jesus
@Taurion4467 - Of course they made Jesus fit the prophesies. Of course they did. The same way they made Titus fit the prophesies of Jesus. How else do you explain it?
It the Romans didn't write the gospels then how do you explain the relationship between Jesus and Titus? If it wasn't the Romans then who was copying the Jewish War?
Every "martyr" in the New Testament never existed. That's not a good start.
@Franknarfable To say Jesus never existed is your words and your words alone, this thought has been about centuries but never been able to become an accepted theory, im sorry that is the truth if your hurt by it than it is not my fault blame the men that are 100 times smarter than you and study this more than 40 years of their lives, some who even despise Christianity. find me a scholar or historian that disagrees with Jesus being real they may deny his divinity but never his existence.
@Taurion4467 - Where do you think I get my information from? That's right genius, scholars who are smarter then me. Who'd of thought? The discovery of Titus/Jesus is actually 5 years old. Robert Eisenman was so impressed (obviously) that he endorsed the theory.
"your words and your words alone" - Untrue.
You argument gets weaker and weaker, so much so that's it's starting to get personal. Boo hoo.
@Franknarfable There is nothing personal here it your choice to believe he was a myth or to accept what he offered cause you will find what he offered in no other book, im sure you don't have any better answers for life, what do believe anyway just curious? and i wont continue this debate simply because i know that more historians and scholars believe he existed and that no matter what i write or say your mind will not change.the things you speak of Jesus will never become reality just theory
@Taurion4467 - The thing is, you're not saying anything. I have studied and read and gone back and forth with this Jesus thing. I have spoken to many people and I know that the majority of scholars believe in the historical Jesus. I know all of this.
I cannot remember his name (great eh) but a scholar about 100 years ago claimed that the gospels accounts must of been based on a real person. The idea of historical Jesus has stemmed from then, it's not been advanced upon.
robert eisenman loves islam that his become a professor in Islamic law im sure maybe being a muslim is a better idea maybe give that a try, its also quite funny how he pops up on muslim tv shows cause his on their side even though scholarly consensus is against him im just reading about some reviews on him and friend im sorry they don't seem good at all im sorry but his theory are outdated and still not accepted maybe if paleography and C-14 dating agreed with his theories haha
@Taurion4467 - So you're getting personal with Robert Eisenman now too? Oh my. You wanted a scholar and I gave you one. He endorses the Titus/Jesus typology and you rush out to discredit him. The Titus/Jesus typology is about 5 years old, time is on my side here.
What theory is out-dated? Eisenmans? This isn't his theory, he simply endorsed it.
Eisenman gets great praise for his work on the pro-roman nature of the New Testament. Did you read about that? Perhaps not.
@Franknarfable ehh your choice there is no winning with you im sure if i spent time to research it more i would be able to make you lay an egg but there is no point i already know there is no helping you its your choice if you don't want to accept Jesus free offer of salvation im only here to preach the gospel not defend Jesus from a myth like this, you can win this i don't mind either way you have never read the bible so you will never understand good day to you sir n good luck in life
@Franknarfable I have made my choice i have reasons for my choice i didn't come to this choice by accident,you have made your choice and i wish you all the best with it and for your sake i hope I'm wrong the day your myth becomes accepted i will accept it till than nothing but the same old attack on Jesus that always fail you will never defeat Jesus or his truth i tell you now accept his free offer of salvation for you will never receive this in any other book,read the bible and than we can talk
@Taurion4467 - Immediately following the capture on the Mount of Olives, Josephus reveals a passage in which Titus states that three times he has exhorted Simon to "peace" and three times he had been denied.
It's getting ridiculous now isn't it?
It's not an attack, it's an identification of parallels that exist between two pieces of historical writing. And they keep piling up.
I have read the bible, it's fiction and that's the irrefutable truth.
@Franknarfable i won't argue i know i won't win you seem to know more about this than i do but i promise you that you have not read the bible if you did your heart would be open and we wouldn't be having this discussion, but your heart is filled with confusion and pride,your choice is your own but Jesus is always ready to forgive you
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
@Taurion4467 - John was written under the reign of Domitian and 3:16 very possibly refers to his father and brother. Domitian did complete and dedicate the temple of Titus and Vespasian. They both/all "lived forever".
If you do not accept this interpretation of Christian writings then fine.
All the best in life and thank you for the time you have already taken in talking with me.
It really isn't that complicated. The Jews await a Messiah. The Jews are defeated by the Romans. The Romans create a Messiah and write the New Testament.
@weirdphycoticmonkey hey just tell me if that was enough info i can tell you more to help you understand if you want i just tried to make it short and clear since i don't have much room to write give u extra bible vs to look up etc
@weirdphycoticmonkey The Old Testament was more about God's wrath and the punishment for sin; however, when Jesus came into being the "game" changed. The Bible became more about God's mercy and salvation. The Bible also states that every word of the Bible must be followed, and the punishment expressed in Deuteronomy 17:2-7 still applies; however, it is now on a spiritual level. God does not wish for us to purge the world of sin through physical violence but through spiritual salvation.
People of youtube! Who gives a fuck about religion! Its not gonna give u anything!! I respect people who're religious, but if i hear them bitch about stuff, i kind of get annoyed... They have this strong believe that by praying and worth shipping a thing that doesnt exist, it will change things.. It will not change a damn thing! wake the fuck up and get over it... use your praying time on trying to actually do something real about the problems!
@mastereismaname that rant was pathetic, contradictory, boorish, stupid and nonsensical. Christ is Lord and that I will proclaim until the day I die (and go on living in paradise).
The more you personify God...the less you deify him. If you really believed in "God"... you would fully understand that he would have to be devoid of all human traits.
Why does "God" need my money? Why does "God" need me to worship "Him"?
Jesus Christ, people... wake up. Ask questions. Stop buying in to soft news bullshit and just go out and make something of yourselves!
God never wanted anyone to do anything.... believing that God "cares" is nonsense... human emotions are not "Godly"
@18ekip it says that they do not put much value in little thumbs up and thumbs down and frankly neither do I nor anyone else with some sense of the vital. If they were frightened by opinion you would not even be able to insinuate that are afraid or that they are of poor character as you did with your churlish comment. That seems obvious to me.
@pablocoon I am truly happy that they've been unafraid enough to let the comments stay; i sincerely hope all the feedback - even the childish feedback such as mine - helps them to be more constructive in their further refuting. And as to the thumbing, I DO think it matters: I believe that God is within us all guiding us through intuition towards respecting (thumbs up) ground-breaking truth-seeking, as opposed to clinging to dusty, old dogmas.
@18ekip He is in us all huh? Hitler, Mao. Pol Pott, Stalin too? Or was it something evil, something truly ghastly guiding them through "intuition towards respecting ground breaking" lie seeking. I cling to nothing dusty or old, Christ is just as strong and vibrant today as he was 2000 years ago.That which is eternal can never grow old.
@pablocoon Where else would God be except in all of us and beyond? That which is eternal knows no limits. And about His Presence being in Hitler & the gang - let's just say that if He was in those crazy crusaders and imbecile inquisitors He most definitely was in Hitler etc, too. As sure as God works in mysterious ways religions have their short-comings, my friend ;)
@18ekip so let me get this straight, you admit that their is a God but demand that he cannot be Jesus. Why not? Why can;t God manifest in the way the bible describes, because you say he can't? So you get to tell us what God can do? That's a direct contradiction. You say I put God into a wine glass, but all you do is put him into coke bottle. Evil is real, evil is from anti Christ. Christ had nothing to do with the inquisition or crusade atrocities. Those actions were committed by the papacy.
@pablocoon Interesting how you need to believe that God is in one place but not another; that He's responsible for something but not everything. What a weak God that would be! Besides, if the people who wrote the bible get to tell us what God can and can't do then surely can I, too. (No-one needs to believe me, tho, just like no-one needs to believe in the bible.) If we are all slaves to an incapable "god" in a rat-race with the devil then we might as well just jump off a bridge straight away.
@18ekip That's a remarkably naive, even discordant statement. God gives us free will, it is with that free will that the papacy ignored scripture in favor of power and hypocrisy. You do need to believe in the bible, that is the only asking price for total salvation-FAITH. If there is a stairway 10,000 steps high, God will descend down 9,999 of those steps so that you will only have to labor with that 1-FAITH. Moreover, the people who wrote the bible don;t get to tell you,God does, he instructs.
@pablocoon define "free will", please. can you honestly draw a line between the thoughts that you "think" and those that simply arise in your mind? if you really look at it, you will notice that thoughts HAPPEN; as does faith. salvation is surely due to faith, i agree, but it's not waiting for us in some after life. how could there be an "after" in a world which exists NOW? time is an illusion created by a narrow mind caught up in concepts.
"countless christians who have died for their faith throughout history"..ok, fine.
How about the cults that commit ritual suicides en masse or the musmims who die for their RELIGION, or the huge number of misguided people who do things for the wrong reasons everyday.. belief in something DOESNT make it true. Back to square one for you I guess.
I agree on this one. That's why Jesus went out to tell (explain/refresh the 'old testament') so everyone could hear and see what His message was about.
The early christians gave their life with strong persecution, because what they've seen changed their lifes dramatically and they thought it was worth dying for, because it's for the good of ALL. Those moslims who gave their life, did it basically not for the good of all in my opinion.
For all those people who believe that the info in zeitgeist is unsupported by facts, I urge you to visit the official youtube "Zeitgeist Movie" channel. Not only do they have a 2010 release of zeitgeist but they also include in the description a link for a free downloadable pdf that is a complete source book. It covers all 3 parts of the first zeitgeist movie. If you really care about the sources and facts of where zeitgeist has got their information from, download the pdf and see for yourself.
The problem of Zeitgeist is that it's working with to many assumptions, but does a great job hiding them in their so called 'straight line of logics'.
It's not harmless to those who see it, but extremely dangerous for those who don't. In the case of the last persons it makes me think the goal is to create 'Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer.'
If so, it doesn't sound atractive at all. Notice I say 'if so'.
Two words Zeitgeist don't seem to understand apparently.
@DiScuppa and you seem to have no understanding of the base principles of zeitgeist.
one people, one empire, one leader??
no one is interested in following in the footsteps of a christian sociopath like hitler.
although i can see why true equality around the world would be threatening to someone who believes they are special, part of gods chosen people. someone who defends slavery and the oppression of women.
but by all means keep comparing it to racist christian motives of hitler.
Hitler wasn't a christian at all. All his actions proved that.
Do I sense an attempt of insult by insinuating stuff? Why all the hate?
Why am I thinking that? Because I don't know why u talk about 'defending slavery and oppression of women'.
Same goes with the 'threatening' part. I don't see why I should be thinking about that?
Comparing does not mean: the same. Ofcourse there are people who like Hitler as an example... what are u talking about lol I don't agree with them tho
this video is somehow valid, BUT it does fail in trying to refute Zeitgeist, what it does accomplish is maybe a somewhat better way to look upon religion although to me it does not work. I respect people and their beliefs but for logical reasons don't believe in a savior. I think the best way to deal with all this is to keep in mind that ones believes doesn't make a better or worse person, in fact i know many people, most of them non religious, who are exceptional human beings...
@Yosoyrob I respect your ideas. I dont think you understand though why Jesus had to die. There are many non-believers out there who live better lives than believers. But the truth is God has told us that we could keep all the commandments, we could give all out money away to the poor, and we could do more good works than anyone could count. Yet, we are from birth a sinful creature. We can not see heaven, and we are bound to suffer in Hell. Because of the sin of Adam and Eve.
It is true that the soul, once it is in the first form of human (flesh) life in the womb gets attracted by the sin of Adam and Eve.
But if u do all out of love towards God, and u respond with 'yes' to His invitations (even if u never heard of the Bible or ....) I strongly believe that that person will receive his glory with God in heaven.
The persons who know the Bible have a greater responsability which makes the cross heavier :) That's doesn't make it always easy.
@DiScuppa Thats typical Catholic thinking. Yet it can not be true. God killed people for worshiping idols of stone and wood. Why? Because they were demons and the people were giving worship to anything but God. So, Say a hindu lives a "good" life. They worship every day this demon possesed statue and they are the best hindu they can be. Will they go to heaven? No. God is just. If that person goes. Everyone else does. The people worshiping Lucifer must come up to. Read Isaiah. 55:9
We sin in a way because we're not perfect. But there is no guilt when the person isn't aware of his sin. That is justice. So people who tried to be good their whole life but didn't happen to be "saved" go to hel. Now that is just saying: we're better than u.
God will reward one according to the measurment that person allowed God to be in his/her life. God is not just 'God'. He is where all good things come from. He is just indeed.
I hope God wont judge u the way u think God judges.
The act of love a murderer rapist proves towards God (and automatically to others by doing that) is worth more than most of them praying their whole life. The gap that had to be crossed could only be done by the grace of God. That gap was muuuuuch bigger than the gap u and God have f.e. Trust me, that man will be closer to God than u will be. He had to do more, he did it. U - as u claim - had to do less. Which deserves more?
@DiScuppa "The act of love a murderer rapist proves towards God (and automatically to others by doing that) is worth more than most of them praying their whole life."
wow your a sick puppy.
i dont think your god judges in anyway - i dont think it exists.
but if it does, i certainly hope it doesnt judge the way you think it does.
your god doesnt care how much you hurt other people, as long as you worship it??
what a selfish, childish, self absorbed sociopath.
I understand why u call me a sicko. It's a form of namecalling too (respectless).
I also understand that what u replied shows that u haven't understood a tiny bit of what I was trying to show u.
U just simply missunderstood.
Maybe this helps as a key: Because someone smokes he's a smoker for the rest of his life?
I suggest - if u really want to understand what I said - that u reflect on it, untill u understood it. U'll find that the namecalling wouldn't have been nessecary.
You are PATHETIC mind controlled JOKE who venerates the SUN on SUN-day. I'm so glad that Acharya S. made the Zeitgeist UN-debunked videos that show what a moron you really are. Those are all posted up on my channel for any of the educated people who actually want to think for themselves with REALITY, versus having some mind controlled religious nut pissing off your mouth. Spirituality is real, but your pathetic dogma just proves what an uneducated propaganda PUNK you actually are !!
@caddy1010 Modern science says life began in the ocean but in my science textbook it says in the water! Which is it? I am eating chicken tenders at burgerking, what are you eating, I am eating a chicken. WHAT!? A whole chicken??? Which is it! And why not give you an entire chicken at KFC with the head and toes?
@caddy1010 If you can't understand that crosses are made of trees and Jesus was hung up on this cross and nailed to it then I don't know what to say to you. Please don't forget that they did not have power tools and perfectly made 2 by 4s they chopped down a tree and made a cross out of it and Jesus was hung up on it, what's so hard to understand?
@LifeLibertyLove When he turned water into wine and I guess you assume what the container was made of also. You were not there. All I know is he said take up your cross and the gospels constantly say a cross now acts says through Peter who a witness ( a coward , hiding, but Ill bet peeking ) slew and hung on a tree. Cross is very specific and can be made out of gold like the pope or a rapper but a tree is a tree.
@caddy1010 I better not continue this conversation with you, I suggest you pick up a history book and read up on roman crucifixtions. Sorry but they don't hang criminals on gold crosses but you do have an imagination I will give you that.
@LifeLibertyLove I only made that analogy because you assume a cross means tree. Yes the cross was some sort of tree Im sure but if he was slew on a house would you say this is what they mean by tree? And therefore everyone would wear a house around there necks but when Peter says tree you say it was a house because that is from the wood of the tree? Why not wear trees?
@caddy1010 Sorry but i am not going to move onto another one of your misleading(basically a lie) subjects, until you conclude the first one and admit your just being ridiculous.
@LifeLibertyLove I thought we were reasoning together? Now you call me a liar! Its no lie when I believe one way and you the other. The gospels say a cross and the Acts say a tree (I believe twice). Like I said Im quite sure the "cross" was some kind of tree but that is specific, a cross is a cross. They go on to say tree and thats very specific. So which one is it?
@caddy1010 Your telling me because it doesn't describe what the cup is made of the cup must have never existed your not even argueing about anything anymore. I guess it's easy for you to make make believe arguments since you have no text for me to compare. I could find the same type of "errors" you speak of in any science text book. Truth is they are not errors at all.
@caddy1010 I am talking about the fact that your just argueing over words. You are not trying to show me or anyone else anything. If your going to tell people that Christianity is a lie you could at least show a little evidence and not just make things up.
@caddy1010 Anyway if you thought that was a contradiction I would like to see some more you have for me, please give them to me one at a time so I can see if it is really a contradiction.
@LifeLibertyLove You really dont want to go there with me. Lets just start w/ UNICORNS , WITCHES & DRAGONS! They dont exist & never have, so this is a contradiction in of itself. I have more if you want to go down this road , one of us are gonna get turned. I just might be a zealot .....against your beliefs w/ power to turn you against what you believe. Be careful.
@caddy1010 so dragons never existed? But Dinosaurs have? All different intermediate species (billions) according to the theory of evolution and their could never be a horse which might I add is related to many horned animals according to evolution, never could their have been a horse with a horn? Or perhaps an animal called a Unicorn which we call something else today.
@LifeLibertyLove No dragons never existed this is Europeon mythology. Now you say might and could be a little to much to claim a fact. Unicorns? come on now lets reason together , this is Euro. myths. I believe imbellished by William Shakespear or Sir Francis Bacon when the english translation was made. Witches you did not mention , all Euro. myths.
the narrator of these videos, has a lisp. which means that is as queer as god. fuck him fuck god and fuck mary. fuck all christians and their fascist ways. i feel embarrassed about our race and our society for glamorizing this bullshit. fuck you the church and all involved in this farce.
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Christians need to read their bloody bibles instead of just letting them collect dust on their coffee tables. Their bible represnts a god doing things full of wrath, and and then repenting of it later. This male god kills, creates evil, does evil, plagues, sends famine and disease, creates war, sends out evl spirits, hates, and is said to be jealous and vengeful. He also cammands others such as Moses, Joshua and David to murder people (including children and babies) and take their land. CULT!
i am sure if scientists did a study, the more likely you are to beleive the unbeleiveable the more likely you are to give your last penny to those who most strongly propogate and profit from the proliferation of idiotic ideologies
sorry to pose the old question, but, which is more believable, and he does speak like anyone else is stupid, was his body stolin, or did a first time in all humanity since the ane accounts was someone resurected, hmmm, lets all ponder this, shut down your higher thinking self and lets all accept the least possible thing in the history of mankind
Awesome debunk..this has strengthened my faith, may other please share this with their friends who got duped by the Zeitgiest fallacy. Others who are strong believers, peace be upon you and I look forward for us seeing the light of the world to come again!
I agree with the teachings, Don't kill etc. But, dude lives, dies lives again? and all the death because of him? What if this story never came out? Would the world be better? Worse? the same? And what is this god made us? God didn't make me thank you, and he probably didn't make the planet and as science evolves god becomes more and more fictional.
There is enough evidence to make an educated decision regarding Jesus Christ. I made the decision to believe the evidence and surrendered my life to Christ the Creator of Heaven and Earth.
The more we learn of the real world, the more we see the need of God to make everything possible. I hope you will continue to search for the truth, as He promised it will set you free.
The way you state what you believe is admirable.I respect intelligence and knowledge in a man.Unfortunately there are many who do not follow this narrow path.Searching for knowledge is a difficult road.The reply comments that you received prove that.Preaching hate is easy and fashionable these days.On the other hand treasures of knowledge are being forgotten and the world listens to people more to the likes of those who made Zeitgeist.Best wishes and stay strong my man...
Thank you for your support, I do not have all the answers I just try the best I can, some times I may say the wrong things.. often it doesn't matter what I say, it is always received in the wrong manner. Soon the reality will change for all of us as freedom of speech will no longer apply to anyone raising a critical voice against main stream doctrines, whatever they may be. We must all stand up for what we believe in, unafraid yet humble. Best wishes to you too and stay strong also!
In the spirit of good debate, I consider myself to very open minded. I have watched both Zeitgeist and this rebuttal. Along with many more. I would side with Zeitgeist had they provided sources that predated Christ. I can't find anywhere mythology sources that predate Christ. Therefor, I conclude until given these sources that the account of the four gospels of Jesus Christ is original, and not copied from any where in predated history.
@13b1cdw8g I did some investigating into the writings you sugest, and you are correct in that these pieces mention Horus, but I can't find any real similarities between Horus and Jesus in these older writings. You don't see any similarities until writings after the death of christ. Can you give a more specific article your are thinking of?
You must not have researched the modern scientific knowledge of crucifixion too deeply if you didn't notice the fact that a human body could not possibly be supported by nails going through the hands. Additionally, the fact that the disciples were willing to die for their beliefs doesn't necessarily mean that they weren't knowingly lying. They could have just been that determined to spread what they thought was a positive message, even if they knew that parts of it were embellished.
I think that this video does itself a dis-service by focusing on anti-Roman Catholicism. It's very unfortunate that in an otherwise successful documentary refuting Zeitgeist, that the authors of this video felt they had to slip in their anti-Catholic polemic.Very unfortunate indeed. Though this doesn't negate the truth they reveal about Zeitgeist, it just doesn't help their argument at all.
When you discover the fact that Roman Catholicism is against Jesus Christ as the Savior and Mediator and God and find that the Vatican "The Divining Serpent" embrace all sorts of pagan practices and their inner teachings embrace that of Freemasonry and Illumination, then maybe you may understand that Christianity fell into Apostasy. God have however restored most of it and is restoring the last of real Christianity.
I understand what your are saying - I'm not trying to argue over the 'purity' of Catholocism. I was just saying that for a video refuting Zeitgeist, it wasn't necessary to criticize the Catholics. I just thought the video lost its main focus through that, that's all.
In a sense I agree with you, but I also think it is important to remove the deception the RCC have lulled the world in thinking them completely harmless. The mystery religions are all connected to the Vatican as they are behind the scene pulling all the strings.
It is the system of belief that is critiqued not the individuals that believe in it. Anyway I hope all is well with you and your family?
Grambo, it was meant only as a friendly remark. I do hope all is well with your family. I think there are to few people that wish each other well. I want to change that, in my own way.
I think this video does a decent job refuting Zeitgeist, not that Zeitgeist needs to be refuted, it is based on wrong historic data anyway. This video reveals the history of those that wrote Zeitgeist. (Speaking of part 1)
Thanks for your well wishes - I appreciate your philosophy on that, but it's strange to have a complete stranger, via internet, ask about one's family. I'm all for more friendliness in this world, but there's time's and places and proper circumstances. Hope you understand where 'm coming from.
God bless you, and keep promoting truth, in a gentile and meek spirit.
can you cocksuckers skip teh religon part, and get to teh 911 debunking or the fact that teh government is fucking us up the ass part, GET OVER THE JESUS PART my fuck
nor be the zeitgeist. Acharya S has no scholars backing her up in matter of fact atheist scholars denounced zeitgeist. BTW the gospels and the bible have been accepted as a historical document. Read up on your history.
There were thousands of people present, no one denies Jesus was crucified. The Roman guards were sworn to guard the body under pain of their own death and yet, the stone was rolled away from the grave.
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This video has not a single historical evidence and therefore cannot refute Zeitgeist. The dumb details about the blood and the water has not anything to do with it.
As far as the bible is concerned, is the whole species just supposed to believe one single book without any critical analysis or confirming evidence? Where are the original manuscripts? And why are 4 gospels used when it is well known that many dozens existed? Which are we supposed to believe? And what are the "primary sources" upon which the bible stories were created? Who actually wrote them? Why isn't there any other historical documentation or suporting evidence?
the thing is not beleive and believe, the most important thing is to love, joshua the real name of jesus wanted love as the resason to be, all disciples died and now we die with the word of god ridaculed
my whole agenda is that religion needs to be put on the back burner so we can clean up our mess in the world because religion isnt putting a weekly paycheck in my pocket.religion is useless anyway because of dishonesty.one man lies and then we all have to prove ourselves as true,you cant argue that,its fuckin cold hard fact.
shut up, how many times are you gonna cry about the same thing before you realise i dont care? we all have to deal with the jehovahs witness' knocking on our doors, they come here twice a month, i dont go pushing my beliefs on people or spamming pages with different beliefs because of it. stop whining you sissy, god cares if you go to hell or not, not me, i got my own soul to defend, i am finished with talking with DEAF men. dont expect any further reply
well brother your last comment you made to tlslayer was inappropriate, if you got nothing good to say don't say. also how can you say you don't care if someone goes to hell? Don't get tired of speading this message of hope, love, and truth, for it's not our message but by the grace of God He has given it to us
yes i was having a bad night, and i shouldnt have been so rude, was just tired of the argueing, he was insisting i am guilty of other people suggesting he become christian in a forceable manner because i am christian. the guy aggravated me and wouldnt listen to any thing i said, no i dont want him to go to hell, i do hope he can find god, but arguing that god does not exsist will not help you find him. i used to be an atheist, i didnt come to know god by trying to tell people he wasnt real.
Go straight to God. Seek teachings coming straight from the Bible, and believe only the words of God. The Bible has been tested, It is truth despite all those here sayers that try to testify that it is false. You must understand deception by Satan is active in this world, If you believe in God, you must also believe in that truth that there is someone out there trying to remove your eyes from God. And God's will for you is far more rewarding than that of a weekly paycheck. Humble Yourselves.
You're calling my faith a religion. That's not what it is, I have a living, breathing relationship with my God. And maybe that's why an atheist can't come up to me and say, "I told you so." Atheist are cowards in my opinion. They'd take any belief out of a box that said there wasn't any God in it. Atheism is hopeless, I'm sure anyone of you would agree.
all religion does is label certain aspects of life "sins" after mistakes have been made instead of allowing man to teach others so they can avoid mistakes but still enjoy life without a fear of supposed punishment by god.
the bible is absolute fucking garbage and you ARE a coward.
I am really thinking the only coward around here is you since you are enjoying that word so much.
Yes I made the comment once about you being a coward cause you are hiding the fact that you are a satanic worshiper, you are not an atheist. You are a coward!
You need to realize your comment goes both ways, you said religion is based on faith, that happens to hold true for satan worship and for being an atheist, they need to have lots of faith in order to say there is no spirits.
Don't worry we'll still pray that you don't get cast into the lake of fire. Grow up and get a life, Satan only wants to use you when he's done you're in for some real torture. Just listen to the lyrics that Tom Araya writes but don't think he's gloryfying Satan he's a christian himself. He's being sarcastic about devil worship. Wait your prob some ignorant teen or some lost soul still living in mom's basement. I found Jesus and now I have everything I need you coward!!!
@klegster Correct. Atheism is the belief that the human brain is the result of an algorithimic and unorganized unpurposeful process of evolution and yet the human brain still has the capability to make objective conclusions and observations about reality. This is nothing short of a miracle. And the very second that atheists say evolution has a purposeful path, they admit the existence of intelligent design. So yes, atheism is very much faith based. However most foolish atheists worship their ego
1:55 Actually, disciples depicted in a negative light or going through character development does not make it unlikely that the Bible was fictional, especially if the moral of the Bible is showing faith.
Characters in other myths that aren't evil forces like Satan are also portrayed in a negative light, like Greek tragic heroes like Oedipus, or the sinner Heracles. Does that make these myths unlikely to be fictional?
BoggiD101 5 months ago
I am just a normal guy that would like to see some real proof for once,instead of all this hear say crap...it will stand one day as the biggest hoax ever played on man..ya I went to church as a child(was made to)and i get all you people longing for something in the after life.But get over it we are a fluke of nature.Take life for what it is and let each walk there own path.My only rule in life is treat others in kind as you would like to be treated..and thats it..
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youneekk 6 months ago
Hey at the end of this section you say Jesus tells us to love thy neighbour...but does he not also say an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth? Revenge? surely thats not very neighbour-friendly? also deueronomy 17:2-7 clearly states that it is our duty to kill anyone who does not follow christianity. How can i follow a bible that so clearly contradicts itself?
weirdphycoticmonkey 7 months ago
@weirdphycoticmonkey No Jesus doesn't say and eye for an eye he tells you to turn the other cheek read the verse properly friend Matthew 5:38-42 and Romans 12:17-21and Deuteronomy is old law ment for the jews of that time since there was alot of pagan whorship and alot of pagan countries egypt pre muslims nations etc heck poland use to whorship wood gods, anyway point is that Jesus was the new law his word. we are only to learn from the mistakes of the people in the old testament
Taurion4467 6 months ago
@Taurion4467 You say that those parts of the bible are old laws for the jews of the time but matthew 5, 17-20 says that everything in the bible shall be law until the end of the world "until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven"
weirdphycoticmonkey 5 months ago
@weirdphycoticmonkey why do you think Jesus fought with the Pharisees why do you think they wanted they killed him and disagreed with his teachings, cause the jews them selves did not fulfill the old law of God,Read what Jesus said at the sermon on the mount and you will find Jesus view towards the law of God as recorded in the old testament,but its your choice to accept his word in the end or to believe the world which tries to kill him everyday but yet fails
Taurion4467 5 months ago
@Taurion4467 - The Jesus in the New Testament never actually existed. He couldn't have. His ministry is based on the Jewish War and that was written in 74 AD. This means Jesus didn't exist before this time, his story was back-dated to the previous generation. You could cite Paul, but the Pauline Epistles where written after the gospels and simply back-dated too.
Vast majority of scholars have missed the boat. It was the Romans who created Jesus Christ.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - Jesus Christ was created by the Romans post 70. The story of Jesus was back-dated, as where the Pauline Epistles.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable Well Frank if you have any proof or evidence of this i would love to discuss it further bud
Taurion4467 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - Jewish War - Josephus 74 AD - A summary
1) Titus begins in Galilee, his men fish the enemy from the water
2) Titus goes to Gadara, enemy flee like wild beasts into the water
3) In Jerusalem, a woman called Mary eats her own son during passover
4) Three men crucified and one survives
5) Simon is killed in Rome and John is spared.
Five events, same names, same locations and they appears in the same sequence as in the New Testament.
cont'd
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - cont'd - New Testament
1) Jesus begins in Galilee, he makes men the fishers of men
2) Jesus goes to Gadara, casts demons into swine that flee into the water
3) In Jerusalem he offers his flesh to be eaten during passover
4) Three men crucified and Jesus "survives"
5) Jesus predicts that Simon will be killed and that John will be spared.
Jesus predicts that a generation after his own Jerusalem will fall. Titus fulfills this prophecy.
cont'd
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - Part 3
That proves that one was based on the other and I doubt the Jewish War was based on the ministry of Jesus, right? Therefore Jesus was invented after 74 AD and his story was back-dated. The same goes for Paul.
It was written under the reigns of Vespasian (the father), Titus (the good son) and Domitian.
Other Flavians - Josephus, needs no introduction. Sabinus, who was Theophilus (look it up) and Constantine.
Any questions so far?
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable i wont lie i got no idea where you came from or what your on about haha ive read what you wrote a few times and im wondering where or what brought this up and ill be straight up with you im afraid i don't have the knowledge to answer whatever you want me to answer i don't think i have studied this titus jesus thing, anyway just simply explain what were talking about here
Taurion4467 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - The Romans had ongoing wars with the Jews. This led to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The history of this war was written by Josephus in 74 AD called the Jewish War.
You with me so far?
Then the four gospels are written and the ministry of Jesus appears to be a satire on Titus. The gospels also appear to be pro-roman and anti-jewish.
Basically the Romans devised a new religion to unify the Empire under one God. This means that no main character in the NT existed.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable now from what iv'e read on wiki so far ill agree with you that rome did create a religion called Catholicism but that has nothing to do with Christ. the dead sea scrolls go back further than Josephus writings not to mention the original was lost in his own language and we don't know for sure when it was re written historians say, and look even skeptics wont say people from the new testament didn't exist so i don't know where your getting this from you cant prove he didn't exist
Taurion4467 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - Jesus does not appear in the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is a massive disappointment for Christians. They mean nothing really - I don't understand the connections you're trying to make.
I have shown that the ministry of Jesus is based on the conquests of Titus. Would you not agree?
The New Testament and Josephus where both originally written in Koine Greek.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable his name does not appear directly but what he is to do does appear im going to assume you haven't read much of the bible so no big deal there,ill agree new testament was written in greek and josephus book also, I don't agree that his ministry was only about titus i will agree that he did prophesies about titus destroying Jerusalem the temple being destroyed etc. either way Josephus wrote about jesus even if it wasn't much but historians will keep fighting about Josephus writings
Taurion4467 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - The ministry of Jesus is not entirely based on Titus, but parts of the narrative are definitely based on it. The life and adventures of Paul are based on Josephus also.
Historians argue whether passages in Josephus where genuine. They where, it's just Josephus who wasn't. Historians are wasting their time arguing over Josephus, the guy was called Flavius, he shouldn't be ignored, further study (like what i've written) is needed. That's where the answers are.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable anyway just quickly whats the point your trying to get me to see or understand anyway? like you telling me Jesus never existed christianity is a lie just curious were all roman pagans or i don't know if that what your getting at lol sorry just a little bit confused
Taurion4467 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - If the Romans wrote the New Testament, which they did, then Jesus couldn't of been real. They created a religion to unify the Empire under one God. They created a peace-loving Messiah as a direct opposite to the awaited Jewish Messiah who was to come and lead the Jews to war / victory.
So yes, Christianity is a lie. A big fat Roman one.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable Yes they created a religion we already went through this catholicism but to create this your saying they killed hundreds of their own people? and your saying that the messiah in the old testament was opposite to Jesus now please give me all the evidence for this cause i mean the things your saying now are honestly your own the most popular rabbi on his death bed proclaimed that jesus was the awaited messiah a man after 90 years in the jewish faith doesn't just say that
Taurion4467 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - NOT Catholicism, didn't that come with Constantine? I am talking about the beginnings, 1st century Christianity.
And what "hundreds of their own people" are you referring to?
*sigh* - The evidence we have from the Dead Sea Scrolls and Josephus indicate that the Jews where awaiting a Messiah who was going to take them to war. Does that sound like Jesus? No, of course it doesn't. I can try and dig out some quotes for you.
I couldn't care less what some dying Rabbi said, sorry.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable Well before Catholicism they would kill romans who talked or worshiped christ you should read fox's book of martyrs, Yes jews were waiting for a messiah which is spoken of in every book of the bible from genesis to revelation and if it was not Jesus than jews have no explanation because he fulfilled more than 80% of the prophesies, the romans couldn't beat the growing christianity so they decided to join them and pop you have the catholic church just read fox's book if u have time
Taurion4467 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - After all this time and you're talking about prophesies? If the Romans invented Jesus then they had the prophesies to work with. I mean, if you're going to invent a Messiah at least make him fit the prophecies, right?
Being a martyr is a theme of Christianity, look at Jesus, and that never actually happened.
We can trawl through the "evidence" for martyr but you'll be surprised what we end up with. Nothing.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable Why would the Roman empire the greatest at the time need to invent a Jesus ahha please that's laughable, and your saying that they made jesus fit the prophesies of the old testament please don;t speak of prophecy you don't know especially ones in isiah its ok just pick up a bible and start reading it you will understand it better. and the evidence for martyr is very big i just told you foxs book of martyrs read it. either way you have to evidence for rome to invent Jesus
Taurion4467 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - Of course they made Jesus fit the prophesies. Of course they did. The same way they made Titus fit the prophesies of Jesus. How else do you explain it?
It the Romans didn't write the gospels then how do you explain the relationship between Jesus and Titus? If it wasn't the Romans then who was copying the Jewish War?
Every "martyr" in the New Testament never existed. That's not a good start.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable To say Jesus never existed is your words and your words alone, this thought has been about centuries but never been able to become an accepted theory, im sorry that is the truth if your hurt by it than it is not my fault blame the men that are 100 times smarter than you and study this more than 40 years of their lives, some who even despise Christianity. find me a scholar or historian that disagrees with Jesus being real they may deny his divinity but never his existence.
Taurion4467 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - Where do you think I get my information from? That's right genius, scholars who are smarter then me. Who'd of thought? The discovery of Titus/Jesus is actually 5 years old. Robert Eisenman was so impressed (obviously) that he endorsed the theory.
"your words and your words alone" - Untrue.
You argument gets weaker and weaker, so much so that's it's starting to get personal. Boo hoo.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable There is nothing personal here it your choice to believe he was a myth or to accept what he offered cause you will find what he offered in no other book, im sure you don't have any better answers for life, what do believe anyway just curious? and i wont continue this debate simply because i know that more historians and scholars believe he existed and that no matter what i write or say your mind will not change.the things you speak of Jesus will never become reality just theory
Taurion4467 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - The thing is, you're not saying anything. I have studied and read and gone back and forth with this Jesus thing. I have spoken to many people and I know that the majority of scholars believe in the historical Jesus. I know all of this.
I cannot remember his name (great eh) but a scholar about 100 years ago claimed that the gospels accounts must of been based on a real person. The idea of historical Jesus has stemmed from then, it's not been advanced upon.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable
robert eisenman loves islam that his become a professor in Islamic law im sure maybe being a muslim is a better idea maybe give that a try, its also quite funny how he pops up on muslim tv shows cause his on their side even though scholarly consensus is against him im just reading about some reviews on him and friend im sorry they don't seem good at all im sorry but his theory are outdated and still not accepted maybe if paleography and C-14 dating agreed with his theories haha
Taurion4467 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - So you're getting personal with Robert Eisenman now too? Oh my. You wanted a scholar and I gave you one. He endorses the Titus/Jesus typology and you rush out to discredit him. The Titus/Jesus typology is about 5 years old, time is on my side here.
What theory is out-dated? Eisenmans? This isn't his theory, he simply endorsed it.
Eisenman gets great praise for his work on the pro-roman nature of the New Testament. Did you read about that? Perhaps not.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable ehh your choice there is no winning with you im sure if i spent time to research it more i would be able to make you lay an egg but there is no point i already know there is no helping you its your choice if you don't want to accept Jesus free offer of salvation im only here to preach the gospel not defend Jesus from a myth like this, you can win this i don't mind either way you have never read the bible so you will never understand good day to you sir n good luck in life
Taurion4467 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - Three men crucified, one survives, but where do the crucifixions take place?
In the NT it is at ‘Golgatha’ meaning ‘empty skull’ while in Josephus it is at Thecoas – theo Coas – the Roman god of the inquirying mind.
Now that's genius.
You believe the empty skull story and I'll stick with the inquiring mind.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable I have made my choice i have reasons for my choice i didn't come to this choice by accident,you have made your choice and i wish you all the best with it and for your sake i hope I'm wrong the day your myth becomes accepted i will accept it till than nothing but the same old attack on Jesus that always fail you will never defeat Jesus or his truth i tell you now accept his free offer of salvation for you will never receive this in any other book,read the bible and than we can talk
Taurion4467 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - Immediately following the capture on the Mount of Olives, Josephus reveals a passage in which Titus states that three times he has exhorted Simon to "peace" and three times he had been denied.
It's getting ridiculous now isn't it?
It's not an attack, it's an identification of parallels that exist between two pieces of historical writing. And they keep piling up.
I have read the bible, it's fiction and that's the irrefutable truth.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Franknarfable i won't argue i know i won't win you seem to know more about this than i do but i promise you that you have not read the bible if you did your heart would be open and we wouldn't be having this discussion, but your heart is filled with confusion and pride,your choice is your own but Jesus is always ready to forgive you
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Taurion4467 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - John was written under the reign of Domitian and 3:16 very possibly refers to his father and brother. Domitian did complete and dedicate the temple of Titus and Vespasian. They both/all "lived forever".
If you do not accept this interpretation of Christian writings then fine.
All the best in life and thank you for the time you have already taken in talking with me.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@Taurion4467 - cont'd
It really isn't that complicated. The Jews await a Messiah. The Jews are defeated by the Romans. The Romans create a Messiah and write the New Testament.
Franknarfable 3 months ago
@weirdphycoticmonkey hey just tell me if that was enough info i can tell you more to help you understand if you want i just tried to make it short and clear since i don't have much room to write give u extra bible vs to look up etc
Taurion4467 5 months ago
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Xyrelt 4 months ago
@weirdphycoticmonkey The Old Testament was more about God's wrath and the punishment for sin; however, when Jesus came into being the "game" changed. The Bible became more about God's mercy and salvation. The Bible also states that every word of the Bible must be followed, and the punishment expressed in Deuteronomy 17:2-7 still applies; however, it is now on a spiritual level. God does not wish for us to purge the world of sin through physical violence but through spiritual salvation.
Xyrelt 4 months ago
People of youtube! Who gives a fuck about religion! Its not gonna give u anything!! I respect people who're religious, but if i hear them bitch about stuff, i kind of get annoyed... They have this strong believe that by praying and worth shipping a thing that doesnt exist, it will change things.. It will not change a damn thing! wake the fuck up and get over it... use your praying time on trying to actually do something real about the problems!
mastereismaname 10 months ago
@mastereismaname that rant was pathetic, contradictory, boorish, stupid and nonsensical. Christ is Lord and that I will proclaim until the day I die (and go on living in paradise).
pablocoon 9 months ago
@pablocoon whatever bro. do your thing
mastereismaname 9 months ago
The more you personify God...the less you deify him. If you really believed in "God"... you would fully understand that he would have to be devoid of all human traits.
Why does "God" need my money? Why does "God" need me to worship "Him"?
Jesus Christ, people... wake up. Ask questions. Stop buying in to soft news bullshit and just go out and make something of yourselves!
God never wanted anyone to do anything.... believing that God "cares" is nonsense... human emotions are not "Godly"
DotAHeaD 1 year ago
what does disallowing ratings tell about the makers of this doc?
18ekip 1 year ago 2
@18ekip that you are obsessed? Just guessin' Yeah?
Innuendoh 10 months ago
@18ekip it says that they do not put much value in little thumbs up and thumbs down and frankly neither do I nor anyone else with some sense of the vital. If they were frightened by opinion you would not even be able to insinuate that are afraid or that they are of poor character as you did with your churlish comment. That seems obvious to me.
pablocoon 9 months ago
@pablocoon I am truly happy that they've been unafraid enough to let the comments stay; i sincerely hope all the feedback - even the childish feedback such as mine - helps them to be more constructive in their further refuting. And as to the thumbing, I DO think it matters: I believe that God is within us all guiding us through intuition towards respecting (thumbs up) ground-breaking truth-seeking, as opposed to clinging to dusty, old dogmas.
18ekip 9 months ago
@18ekip He is in us all huh? Hitler, Mao. Pol Pott, Stalin too? Or was it something evil, something truly ghastly guiding them through "intuition towards respecting ground breaking" lie seeking. I cling to nothing dusty or old, Christ is just as strong and vibrant today as he was 2000 years ago.That which is eternal can never grow old.
pablocoon 9 months ago
@pablocoon Where else would God be except in all of us and beyond? That which is eternal knows no limits. And about His Presence being in Hitler & the gang - let's just say that if He was in those crazy crusaders and imbecile inquisitors He most definitely was in Hitler etc, too. As sure as God works in mysterious ways religions have their short-comings, my friend ;)
18ekip 9 months ago
@18ekip so let me get this straight, you admit that their is a God but demand that he cannot be Jesus. Why not? Why can;t God manifest in the way the bible describes, because you say he can't? So you get to tell us what God can do? That's a direct contradiction. You say I put God into a wine glass, but all you do is put him into coke bottle. Evil is real, evil is from anti Christ. Christ had nothing to do with the inquisition or crusade atrocities. Those actions were committed by the papacy.
pablocoon 9 months ago
@pablocoon Interesting how you need to believe that God is in one place but not another; that He's responsible for something but not everything. What a weak God that would be! Besides, if the people who wrote the bible get to tell us what God can and can't do then surely can I, too. (No-one needs to believe me, tho, just like no-one needs to believe in the bible.) If we are all slaves to an incapable "god" in a rat-race with the devil then we might as well just jump off a bridge straight away.
18ekip 9 months ago
@18ekip That's a remarkably naive, even discordant statement. God gives us free will, it is with that free will that the papacy ignored scripture in favor of power and hypocrisy. You do need to believe in the bible, that is the only asking price for total salvation-FAITH. If there is a stairway 10,000 steps high, God will descend down 9,999 of those steps so that you will only have to labor with that 1-FAITH. Moreover, the people who wrote the bible don;t get to tell you,God does, he instructs.
pablocoon 9 months ago
@pablocoon define "free will", please. can you honestly draw a line between the thoughts that you "think" and those that simply arise in your mind? if you really look at it, you will notice that thoughts HAPPEN; as does faith. salvation is surely due to faith, i agree, but it's not waiting for us in some after life. how could there be an "after" in a world which exists NOW? time is an illusion created by a narrow mind caught up in concepts.
18ekip 9 months ago
this is amazing
mikey0892 1 year ago
That was the way they continued to kill gnostics.
josealbertoalmanzar 1 year ago
"countless christians who have died for their faith throughout history"..ok, fine.
How about the cults that commit ritual suicides en masse or the musmims who die for their RELIGION, or the huge number of misguided people who do things for the wrong reasons everyday.. belief in something DOESNT make it true. Back to square one for you I guess.
EnergonCubed 1 year ago
@EnergonCubed
I agree on this one. That's why Jesus went out to tell (explain/refresh the 'old testament') so everyone could hear and see what His message was about.
The early christians gave their life with strong persecution, because what they've seen changed their lifes dramatically and they thought it was worth dying for, because it's for the good of ALL. Those moslims who gave their life, did it basically not for the good of all in my opinion.
It's a delicate subject, I must admit.
DiScuppa 1 year ago
@DiScuppa ffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!
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For all those people who believe that the info in zeitgeist is unsupported by facts, I urge you to visit the official youtube "Zeitgeist Movie" channel. Not only do they have a 2010 release of zeitgeist but they also include in the description a link for a free downloadable pdf that is a complete source book. It covers all 3 parts of the first zeitgeist movie. If you really care about the sources and facts of where zeitgeist has got their information from, download the pdf and see for yourself.
yllierutube 1 year ago
Zeitgeist part 2-3 was well thought out, informative and revealing in regards to how the world is controlled through lies and fear.
Part 1 of Zeitgeist uses the same lies and fear tattics to attack the diety of Christ. Thankfully I'm awake enough to spit out the bones.
Gift0fG0D 1 year ago
@Gift0fG0D
The problem of Zeitgeist is that it's working with to many assumptions, but does a great job hiding them in their so called 'straight line of logics'.
It's not harmless to those who see it, but extremely dangerous for those who don't. In the case of the last persons it makes me think the goal is to create 'Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer.'
If so, it doesn't sound atractive at all. Notice I say 'if so'.
Two words Zeitgeist don't seem to understand apparently.
DiScuppa 1 year ago
@DiScuppa and you seem to have no understanding of the base principles of zeitgeist.
one people, one empire, one leader??
no one is interested in following in the footsteps of a christian sociopath like hitler.
although i can see why true equality around the world would be threatening to someone who believes they are special, part of gods chosen people. someone who defends slavery and the oppression of women.
but by all means keep comparing it to racist christian motives of hitler.
scottpastry 1 year ago
@scottpastry
Hitler wasn't a christian at all. All his actions proved that.
Do I sense an attempt of insult by insinuating stuff? Why all the hate?
Why am I thinking that? Because I don't know why u talk about 'defending slavery and oppression of women'.
Same goes with the 'threatening' part. I don't see why I should be thinking about that?
Comparing does not mean: the same. Ofcourse there are people who like Hitler as an example... what are u talking about lol I don't agree with them tho
DiScuppa 1 year ago
I love how as this gets towards the end (8 out of 10) the views have dropped significantly. You lost us at the first video. Sorry.
drumgawd11 1 year ago
this video is somehow valid, BUT it does fail in trying to refute Zeitgeist, what it does accomplish is maybe a somewhat better way to look upon religion although to me it does not work. I respect people and their beliefs but for logical reasons don't believe in a savior. I think the best way to deal with all this is to keep in mind that ones believes doesn't make a better or worse person, in fact i know many people, most of them non religious, who are exceptional human beings...
Yosoyrob 1 year ago
@Yosoyrob I respect your ideas. I dont think you understand though why Jesus had to die. There are many non-believers out there who live better lives than believers. But the truth is God has told us that we could keep all the commandments, we could give all out money away to the poor, and we could do more good works than anyone could count. Yet, we are from birth a sinful creature. We can not see heaven, and we are bound to suffer in Hell. Because of the sin of Adam and Eve.
benjstrong 1 year ago
@benjstrong
Hmz...
It is true that the soul, once it is in the first form of human (flesh) life in the womb gets attracted by the sin of Adam and Eve.
But if u do all out of love towards God, and u respond with 'yes' to His invitations (even if u never heard of the Bible or ....) I strongly believe that that person will receive his glory with God in heaven.
The persons who know the Bible have a greater responsability which makes the cross heavier :) That's doesn't make it always easy.
DiScuppa 1 year ago
@DiScuppa Thats typical Catholic thinking. Yet it can not be true. God killed people for worshiping idols of stone and wood. Why? Because they were demons and the people were giving worship to anything but God. So, Say a hindu lives a "good" life. They worship every day this demon possesed statue and they are the best hindu they can be. Will they go to heaven? No. God is just. If that person goes. Everyone else does. The people worshiping Lucifer must come up to. Read Isaiah. 55:9
benjstrong 1 year ago
@benjstrong
I sense an 'on-the-letter' thinking.
We sin in a way because we're not perfect. But there is no guilt when the person isn't aware of his sin. That is justice. So people who tried to be good their whole life but didn't happen to be "saved" go to hel. Now that is just saying: we're better than u.
God will reward one according to the measurment that person allowed God to be in his/her life. God is not just 'God'. He is where all good things come from. He is just indeed.
DiScuppa 1 year ago
@DiScuppa "He is just indeed."
a just judge would not allow a raping murderer into heaven for accepting said judge and asking for forgiveness.
nor would a merciful judge then send a humanitarian to hell for disbelieving in said judge.
scottpastry 1 year ago
@scottpastry
I hope God wont judge u the way u think God judges.
The act of love a murderer rapist proves towards God (and automatically to others by doing that) is worth more than most of them praying their whole life. The gap that had to be crossed could only be done by the grace of God. That gap was muuuuuch bigger than the gap u and God have f.e. Trust me, that man will be closer to God than u will be. He had to do more, he did it. U - as u claim - had to do less. Which deserves more?
DiScuppa 1 year ago
@DiScuppa "The act of love a murderer rapist proves towards God (and automatically to others by doing that) is worth more than most of them praying their whole life."
wow your a sick puppy.
i dont think your god judges in anyway - i dont think it exists.
but if it does, i certainly hope it doesnt judge the way you think it does.
your god doesnt care how much you hurt other people, as long as you worship it??
what a selfish, childish, self absorbed sociopath.
scottpastry 1 year ago
@DiScuppa a murdering rapist proves their love towards others by proving their love towards your god???
how could you possibly convince yourself of something so immoral and disjointed??
obviously rapists and murderers DONT love their felllow humans.
how is their a bigger gap between me and your god, compared to murderers and you god??
how is their any gap at all, if all you have to do is believe in it??
how is believing in a god 'doing more' than spending a life time helping people??
sicko...
scottpastry 1 year ago
@scottpastry
I understand why u call me a sicko. It's a form of namecalling too (respectless).
I also understand that what u replied shows that u haven't understood a tiny bit of what I was trying to show u.
U just simply missunderstood.
Maybe this helps as a key: Because someone smokes he's a smoker for the rest of his life?
I suggest - if u really want to understand what I said - that u reflect on it, untill u understood it. U'll find that the namecalling wouldn't have been nessecary.
DiScuppa 1 year ago
@benjstrong
No guilt in that sense the persons intention is to seek good and good only. (saying 'yes' to God, even if he doesn't know Him by name as u do.)
Not willing to seek good (God) is ofcourse a guilt on his own.
God knows. God knows.
DiScuppa 1 year ago
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You are PATHETIC mind controlled JOKE who venerates the SUN on SUN-day. I'm so glad that Acharya S. made the Zeitgeist UN-debunked videos that show what a moron you really are. Those are all posted up on my channel for any of the educated people who actually want to think for themselves with REALITY, versus having some mind controlled religious nut pissing off your mouth. Spirituality is real, but your pathetic dogma just proves what an uneducated propaganda PUNK you actually are !!
EducatedRebellion101 1 year ago
I dont care about christianity. I am interested in what Zeitgeist proposes. Christian ideology can go back to philosophy where it belongs.
MarvelExtra 1 year ago
Good film, but the part about the catholic church is nonsense!
HyperNessie 1 year ago
and you believe the lies of zeitgeist of Jesus?
Instead of believing the university?
As would be happy: Communist governments, to say these things, but could not.
Save your soul! you do not fall into these lies
ShalomGerusalemme 1 year ago
In Acts it says he was hung on a tree! Which is it? And why not wear trees around our necks instead of crosses.
caddy1010 1 year ago
@caddy1010 Modern science says life began in the ocean but in my science textbook it says in the water! Which is it? I am eating chicken tenders at burgerking, what are you eating, I am eating a chicken. WHAT!? A whole chicken??? Which is it! And why not give you an entire chicken at KFC with the head and toes?
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove This is comical! I cant resond to this LOL!
caddy1010 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove Wait I can resond to the 1st part but not the rest LOL! Last I checked the ocean is water.
caddy1010 1 year ago
@caddy1010 If you can't understand that crosses are made of trees and Jesus was hung up on this cross and nailed to it then I don't know what to say to you. Please don't forget that they did not have power tools and perfectly made 2 by 4s they chopped down a tree and made a cross out of it and Jesus was hung up on it, what's so hard to understand?
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove When he turned water into wine and I guess you assume what the container was made of also. You were not there. All I know is he said take up your cross and the gospels constantly say a cross now acts says through Peter who a witness ( a coward , hiding, but Ill bet peeking ) slew and hung on a tree. Cross is very specific and can be made out of gold like the pope or a rapper but a tree is a tree.
caddy1010 1 year ago
@caddy1010 I better not continue this conversation with you, I suggest you pick up a history book and read up on roman crucifixtions. Sorry but they don't hang criminals on gold crosses but you do have an imagination I will give you that.
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove I only made that analogy because you assume a cross means tree. Yes the cross was some sort of tree Im sure but if he was slew on a house would you say this is what they mean by tree? And therefore everyone would wear a house around there necks but when Peter says tree you say it was a house because that is from the wood of the tree? Why not wear trees?
caddy1010 1 year ago
@caddy1010 Are you trying to make sense or are you just in a rage of desperation right now? A cross is a tree.
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove Lets go right to the meat of it all and tell me what you know of the Piso family? Please respond to this.
caddy1010 1 year ago
@caddy1010 Sorry but i am not going to move onto another one of your misleading(basically a lie) subjects, until you conclude the first one and admit your just being ridiculous.
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove I thought we were reasoning together? Now you call me a liar! Its no lie when I believe one way and you the other. The gospels say a cross and the Acts say a tree (I believe twice). Like I said Im quite sure the "cross" was some kind of tree but that is specific, a cross is a cross. They go on to say tree and thats very specific. So which one is it?
caddy1010 1 year ago
@caddy1010 Your telling me because it doesn't describe what the cup is made of the cup must have never existed your not even argueing about anything anymore. I guess it's easy for you to make make believe arguments since you have no text for me to compare. I could find the same type of "errors" you speak of in any science text book. Truth is they are not errors at all.
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove What are you talking about? I havent talked to you in a week or so.
caddy1010 1 year ago
@caddy1010 I am talking about the fact that your just argueing over words. You are not trying to show me or anyone else anything. If your going to tell people that Christianity is a lie you could at least show a little evidence and not just make things up.
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove What are you talking about? I havent talked to you in a week or so.
caddy1010 1 year ago
@caddy1010 Anyway if you thought that was a contradiction I would like to see some more you have for me, please give them to me one at a time so I can see if it is really a contradiction.
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove You really dont want to go there with me. Lets just start w/ UNICORNS , WITCHES & DRAGONS! They dont exist & never have, so this is a contradiction in of itself. I have more if you want to go down this road , one of us are gonna get turned. I just might be a zealot .....against your beliefs w/ power to turn you against what you believe. Be careful.
caddy1010 1 year ago
@caddy1010 so dragons never existed? But Dinosaurs have? All different intermediate species (billions) according to the theory of evolution and their could never be a horse which might I add is related to many horned animals according to evolution, never could their have been a horse with a horn? Or perhaps an animal called a Unicorn which we call something else today.
LifeLibertyLove 1 year ago
@LifeLibertyLove No dragons never existed this is Europeon mythology. Now you say might and could be a little to much to claim a fact. Unicorns? come on now lets reason together , this is Euro. myths. I believe imbellished by William Shakespear or Sir Francis Bacon when the english translation was made. Witches you did not mention , all Euro. myths.
caddy1010 1 year ago
the narrator of these videos, has a lisp. which means that is as queer as god. fuck him fuck god and fuck mary. fuck all christians and their fascist ways. i feel embarrassed about our race and our society for glamorizing this bullshit. fuck you the church and all involved in this farce.
jacmeoffalah 1 year ago
"It is unlikely that Jesus' body was stolen."
Therefore, he MUST have been resurrected!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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kimbo99 1 year ago
Thank you for this video. :]
TBass234 1 year ago
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Christians need to read their bloody bibles instead of just letting them collect dust on their coffee tables. Their bible represnts a god doing things full of wrath, and and then repenting of it later. This male god kills, creates evil, does evil, plagues, sends famine and disease, creates war, sends out evl spirits, hates, and is said to be jealous and vengeful. He also cammands others such as Moses, Joshua and David to murder people (including children and babies) and take their land. CULT!
manofreason64 1 year ago
i am sure if scientists did a study, the more likely you are to beleive the unbeleiveable the more likely you are to give your last penny to those who most strongly propogate and profit from the proliferation of idiotic ideologies
SKERLOK 2 years ago
sorry to pose the old question, but, which is more believable, and he does speak like anyone else is stupid, was his body stolin, or did a first time in all humanity since the ane accounts was someone resurected, hmmm, lets all ponder this, shut down your higher thinking self and lets all accept the least possible thing in the history of mankind
SKERLOK 2 years ago
Awesome debunk..this has strengthened my faith, may other please share this with their friends who got duped by the Zeitgiest fallacy. Others who are strong believers, peace be upon you and I look forward for us seeing the light of the world to come again!
carlitobriggante1 2 years ago
yeah, an empty tomb proved that Jesus existed,,, dumb asses
AstroMen2911 2 years ago
I agree with the teachings, Don't kill etc. But, dude lives, dies lives again? and all the death because of him? What if this story never came out? Would the world be better? Worse? the same? And what is this god made us? God didn't make me thank you, and he probably didn't make the planet and as science evolves god becomes more and more fictional.
Willaras 2 years ago
There is enough evidence to make an educated decision regarding Jesus Christ. I made the decision to believe the evidence and surrendered my life to Christ the Creator of Heaven and Earth.
The more we learn of the real world, the more we see the need of God to make everything possible. I hope you will continue to search for the truth, as He promised it will set you free.
Mekelsior 2 years ago
The way you state what you believe is admirable.I respect intelligence and knowledge in a man.Unfortunately there are many who do not follow this narrow path.Searching for knowledge is a difficult road.The reply comments that you received prove that.Preaching hate is easy and fashionable these days.On the other hand treasures of knowledge are being forgotten and the world listens to people more to the likes of those who made Zeitgeist.Best wishes and stay strong my man...
Waelghard 2 years ago
Thank you for your support, I do not have all the answers I just try the best I can, some times I may say the wrong things.. often it doesn't matter what I say, it is always received in the wrong manner. Soon the reality will change for all of us as freedom of speech will no longer apply to anyone raising a critical voice against main stream doctrines, whatever they may be. We must all stand up for what we believe in, unafraid yet humble. Best wishes to you too and stay strong also!
Mekelsior 2 years ago
In the spirit of good debate, I consider myself to very open minded. I have watched both Zeitgeist and this rebuttal. Along with many more. I would side with Zeitgeist had they provided sources that predated Christ. I can't find anywhere mythology sources that predate Christ. Therefor, I conclude until given these sources that the account of the four gospels of Jesus Christ is original, and not copied from any where in predated history.
Nordzic 2 years ago
@Nordzic coffin text, pyramid text, book of the dead -4,000 to 7,000 years old
13b1cdw8g 2 years ago
@13b1cdw8g I did some investigating into the writings you sugest, and you are correct in that these pieces mention Horus, but I can't find any real similarities between Horus and Jesus in these older writings. You don't see any similarities until writings after the death of christ. Can you give a more specific article your are thinking of?
Nordzic 2 years ago
Isn't it a little logically irresponsible to refute the claim that the Bible is one big parable with scripture?
guythd 2 years ago
You must not have researched the modern scientific knowledge of crucifixion too deeply if you didn't notice the fact that a human body could not possibly be supported by nails going through the hands. Additionally, the fact that the disciples were willing to die for their beliefs doesn't necessarily mean that they weren't knowingly lying. They could have just been that determined to spread what they thought was a positive message, even if they knew that parts of it were embellished.
guythd 2 years ago
Iam sorry but the narrarator kinda starts to sound whiny and annoying(somebody has to admitt
lopytube 2 years ago
This video here speaks truth. I'm convinced that there are alot of ppl out there trying to discredit Jesus and his teachings.
hawklanzs 2 years ago
I think that this video does itself a dis-service by focusing on anti-Roman Catholicism. It's very unfortunate that in an otherwise successful documentary refuting Zeitgeist, that the authors of this video felt they had to slip in their anti-Catholic polemic.Very unfortunate indeed. Though this doesn't negate the truth they reveal about Zeitgeist, it just doesn't help their argument at all.
Grambo4 2 years ago
When you discover the fact that Roman Catholicism is against Jesus Christ as the Savior and Mediator and God and find that the Vatican "The Divining Serpent" embrace all sorts of pagan practices and their inner teachings embrace that of Freemasonry and Illumination, then maybe you may understand that Christianity fell into Apostasy. God have however restored most of it and is restoring the last of real Christianity.
Mekelsior 2 years ago
I understand what your are saying - I'm not trying to argue over the 'purity' of Catholocism. I was just saying that for a video refuting Zeitgeist, it wasn't necessary to criticize the Catholics. I just thought the video lost its main focus through that, that's all.
Grambo4 2 years ago
In a sense I agree with you, but I also think it is important to remove the deception the RCC have lulled the world in thinking them completely harmless. The mystery religions are all connected to the Vatican as they are behind the scene pulling all the strings.
It is the system of belief that is critiqued not the individuals that believe in it. Anyway I hope all is well with you and your family?
Mekelsior 2 years ago
OK!! Just saying This wasn't the best information to respond to Zeitgeist with - it's irrelevant to the refutation of Zeitgeist's claims!
why do you want to know about my family?
Grambo4 2 years ago
Grambo, it was meant only as a friendly remark. I do hope all is well with your family. I think there are to few people that wish each other well. I want to change that, in my own way.
I think this video does a decent job refuting Zeitgeist, not that Zeitgeist needs to be refuted, it is based on wrong historic data anyway. This video reveals the history of those that wrote Zeitgeist. (Speaking of part 1)
Mekelsior 2 years ago
@Mekelsior,
I agree that this is a good video.
Thanks for your well wishes - I appreciate your philosophy on that, but it's strange to have a complete stranger, via internet, ask about one's family. I'm all for more friendliness in this world, but there's time's and places and proper circumstances. Hope you understand where 'm coming from.
God bless you, and keep promoting truth, in a gentile and meek spirit.
Grambo4 1 year ago
Grambo4: He he, yeah I do =) But since we are not yet complete strangers, may God bless you and all you hold dear! Take care brother.
Mekelsior 1 year ago
irrelevant??? uhhh...it is directly responding to the claims in part 1!
juliganp 2 years ago
can you cocksuckers skip teh religon part, and get to teh 911 debunking or the fact that teh government is fucking us up the ass part, GET OVER THE JESUS PART my fuck
angus506 2 years ago
Christainity is truth our practuses today of christainty have alot of pagon roots though.
masterj22 2 years ago 3
OOhhh please ! gospels are not a reliable historical document ...
jacmia 2 years ago
nor be the zeitgeist. Acharya S has no scholars backing her up in matter of fact atheist scholars denounced zeitgeist. BTW the gospels and the bible have been accepted as a historical document. Read up on your history.
MADDPOETTDYER 2 years ago
The god believers keeps giving you, "thumbs down", becouse you argue - it's just Childish
rulis124 2 years ago
jacmia, why aren't the gospels reliable historical documents?
Grambo4 2 years ago
2:00 How many people can say the same thing about Elvis??
rebew1234 2 years ago
Eyewitnes account of the crucifiction????? From who???
rebew1234 2 years ago
There were thousands of people present, no one denies Jesus was crucified. The Roman guards were sworn to guard the body under pain of their own death and yet, the stone was rolled away from the grave.
jdmac44 2 years ago
I'm having a problem finding scripture to back up your claim of "thousands of people present" Could you site book..chapter and verse.
As far as "the stone" there are 4 conflicting accounts of that story.
I asked for an eyewitness. Stories that are passed on by word of mouth are "hearsay"
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MADDPOETTDYER 2 years ago
"jesus christ taught his followers to love their enemies" from the last few seconds of this video. and all i see is hatred amongst these comments.
buggfire 2 years ago
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This video has not a single historical evidence and therefore cannot refute Zeitgeist. The dumb details about the blood and the water has not anything to do with it.
HansHottest 2 years ago
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Hanshottest lick my balls, please you are such a bad bullshitter you must be a good ball licker.
AmericanDiaz 2 years ago
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This is Christian propaganda. Many years ago the Christians, and the Muslims, tore the great book apart that explains the truth about the
ancients before you. They have kept the truth from you to keep control.
The only reason this movie was even made is because Zeitgeist revealed the truth about the perversion of sun worship, crippling the
Christian numbers.
Free yourself and embrace the consciousness of the world being connected as one.
National Burn Your Bible Day December 25 2012
interested976 2 years ago
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As far as the bible is concerned, is the whole species just supposed to believe one single book without any critical analysis or confirming evidence? Where are the original manuscripts? And why are 4 gospels used when it is well known that many dozens existed? Which are we supposed to believe? And what are the "primary sources" upon which the bible stories were created? Who actually wrote them? Why isn't there any other historical documentation or suporting evidence?
mcainiac 2 years ago
the thing is not beleive and believe, the most important thing is to love, joshua the real name of jesus wanted love as the resason to be, all disciples died and now we die with the word of god ridaculed
jaribasil 2 years ago
my whole agenda is that religion needs to be put on the back burner so we can clean up our mess in the world because religion isnt putting a weekly paycheck in my pocket.religion is useless anyway because of dishonesty.one man lies and then we all have to prove ourselves as true,you cant argue that,its fuckin cold hard fact.
TLSlayer 2 years ago
shut up, how many times are you gonna cry about the same thing before you realise i dont care? we all have to deal with the jehovahs witness' knocking on our doors, they come here twice a month, i dont go pushing my beliefs on people or spamming pages with different beliefs because of it. stop whining you sissy, god cares if you go to hell or not, not me, i got my own soul to defend, i am finished with talking with DEAF men. dont expect any further reply
displaced36 2 years ago
ok,ill stop "crying",instead,ill just kill the next ones that confront me.
OH,I FORGOT,THATS AN ILLEGAL ACTION,BUT FOR SOME REASON,THEYRE ALLOWED TO DISTURB PEOPLE LIKE THAT!!
i guess theyre nothing i can do about the situation now is there.
fuck off already,i dont think many people care about you either.
TLSlayer 2 years ago
shut up fool for you call yourself a christian and make trouble for those of us who truely are
rianpop 2 years ago
i truely am a christian. sorry if i''ve made trouble for you in general, really dont see how i could have tho,
displaced36 2 years ago
well brother your last comment you made to tlslayer was inappropriate, if you got nothing good to say don't say. also how can you say you don't care if someone goes to hell? Don't get tired of speading this message of hope, love, and truth, for it's not our message but by the grace of God He has given it to us
rianpop 2 years ago
yes i was having a bad night, and i shouldnt have been so rude, was just tired of the argueing, he was insisting i am guilty of other people suggesting he become christian in a forceable manner because i am christian. the guy aggravated me and wouldnt listen to any thing i said, no i dont want him to go to hell, i do hope he can find god, but arguing that god does not exsist will not help you find him. i used to be an atheist, i didnt come to know god by trying to tell people he wasnt real.
displaced36 2 years ago
Go straight to God. Seek teachings coming straight from the Bible, and believe only the words of God. The Bible has been tested, It is truth despite all those here sayers that try to testify that it is false. You must understand deception by Satan is active in this world, If you believe in God, you must also believe in that truth that there is someone out there trying to remove your eyes from God. And God's will for you is far more rewarding than that of a weekly paycheck. Humble Yourselves.
ChadizzleFoshizzle 2 years ago
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...you people and your fucking bible.
religion is only perfect because no atheist can say "i told yu so" to your cowardly beliefs when your existence disappears after you die.
sleep is lack of consciousness,death is loss of perceptual existence.
TLSlayer 2 years ago
You're calling my faith a religion. That's not what it is, I have a living, breathing relationship with my God. And maybe that's why an atheist can't come up to me and say, "I told you so." Atheist are cowards in my opinion. They'd take any belief out of a box that said there wasn't any God in it. Atheism is hopeless, I'm sure anyone of you would agree.
ChadizzleFoshizzle 2 years ago 10
no,your life is religious based un this faith.
all religion does is label certain aspects of life "sins" after mistakes have been made instead of allowing man to teach others so they can avoid mistakes but still enjoy life without a fear of supposed punishment by god.
the bible is absolute fucking garbage and you ARE a coward.
TLSlayer 2 years ago
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ok asshole,explain why im wrong then,dont just give me a thumb down you patheitc coward!
TLSlayer 2 years ago
I am really thinking the only coward around here is you since you are enjoying that word so much.
Yes I made the comment once about you being a coward cause you are hiding the fact that you are a satanic worshiper, you are not an atheist. You are a coward!
You need to realize your comment goes both ways, you said religion is based on faith, that happens to hold true for satan worship and for being an atheist, they need to have lots of faith in order to say there is no spirits.
klegster 2 years ago 14
shut up kleg...idiot
TLSlayer 2 years ago
Don't worry we'll still pray that you don't get cast into the lake of fire. Grow up and get a life, Satan only wants to use you when he's done you're in for some real torture. Just listen to the lyrics that Tom Araya writes but don't think he's gloryfying Satan he's a christian himself. He's being sarcastic about devil worship. Wait your prob some ignorant teen or some lost soul still living in mom's basement. I found Jesus and now I have everything I need you coward!!!
MADDPOETTDYER 2 years ago
you go ahead and pray for me,ill think for you.
TLSlayer 2 years ago
@klegster Correct. Atheism is the belief that the human brain is the result of an algorithimic and unorganized unpurposeful process of evolution and yet the human brain still has the capability to make objective conclusions and observations about reality. This is nothing short of a miracle. And the very second that atheists say evolution has a purposeful path, they admit the existence of intelligent design. So yes, atheism is very much faith based. However most foolish atheists worship their ego
SupremeAmerican 1 year ago